1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire? I am, It's me Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: Straight Fire or Thursday, August the fourteenth, and we have 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: another great guest getting you ready for football. Quick programming 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: note before we get to the guest name So Friday, 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: I will be hosting The Herd for one hour. We're preempted, 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: I believe by golf, So I'll be hosting one hour 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: and it's hosting for one hour is fun because you 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: get to just fire off takes and it's real fun. 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: Three hours you got to like do a take. You 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: probably have to run it back. You got a lot 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: of guests, there's a lot of moving parts. One hour, 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: you just show up. You got four things you just 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: fire when ready. It's really fun. And then next week 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: final week of vacation for the year, and then I 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: will you know, reboot and come back. Final week of August, 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: I will host the Herd. That's always fun. And then 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: football's here. I mean, we're creeping up so fast. You 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: guys love Brad Powers. A lot of great feedback, and 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: I think you're going to like today's guest. His name 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: is Mike Sando. He has been doing quarterback tiers for 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: over a decade. It gets everybody riled up. I of 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: course had issues last year with a couple of things. 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: I mean, are you really a talking head if you 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: don't have issues with a list, and then today you 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: know a little. I still don't understand the lack of 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts love. I mean, the dude just gets it done. 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: How about this stat that I think Rob g got 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: this from CBS. Maybe Jalen Hurts was in the same 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: draft class as Burrow. To Herbert, Jalen Hurts has six 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 2: playoff wins. All the other guys in the quarterback class 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: combined have six. And I know wins are not a 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: stat except when you want to use them to bolster 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: your argument. Jay, I get it, fine, It's just Jalen 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Hurts is good guys. Anyways, without further ado, let's get 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: to our guest, the athletics Mike Sando. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. I know 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: what sports fans want. But for everything he doesn't, he 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: knows the guy who does. 44 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. Every year he 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: does the Quarterback Tiers for the Athletic and it does 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: massive numbers, and then he goes on a media tour. 49 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just not America, maybe it's globally talking about 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: quarterback teers. Mike Sando from the Athletic, Mike, how are 51 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: you man? 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: Good? I have done some Canada a few Canada's Wow. 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Mike hit me with a saggering stat. I 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: know he does a lot of podcasts, obviously, the Quarterback 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: Tiers is huge everywhere. There's not a lot to talk about, 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: and that you guys picked the perfect week every year, seemingly, 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: and he said, we're recording this on Wednesday. I'm his 58 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: ninth of fifteen podcasts today. Now listen. I do a 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: lot of media, Mike. I've never done fifteen hits in 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: a day, and I'm assuming you're doing similar numbers to 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: that all week. Huh? 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. Friday may be not filled 63 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: up yet all the way, but I love it and 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: we know, we embrace it. And there's just so many 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: good conversations I've had over the years, and so you know, 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: it's a twelfth year of doing this. And the nice 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: thing is, in like different markets, there's different things they 68 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: want to ask about, you know, So it's not the 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: same exact conversation every single time everyone brings something to it, 70 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: you'll have something that stands up to you. Then I 71 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 3: haven't thought about it that I haven't. 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. We've been talking about on the Herd 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: for a couple of days and for me, the one 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: and I don't really get triggered a lot is Jalen 75 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: or Hurts checking in at ninth Now, Listen, I know 76 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: that they had a really good team last year, Mike, Yeah, 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: whether it was defense, draft, free agent linebacker Bond, like 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: everything they did, hit Saquon Barkley on the cheap, and 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts was excellent. I mean, you sure false you 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: can remember the last Super Bowl MVP that was this 81 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: disrespected without playing a game after the Super Bowl, he 82 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: literally won MVP of the biggest football game of the year. 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: He had a great post was Nick Foles the MVP? 84 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: He might have been but he probably wasn't even on 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: the tiers because I don't think he was starting the 86 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: next year. 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: Was he? I thought he was because I thought we 88 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: looked this up. But your point's well taken, Your points 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: well taken, like it's he. I think it's in the 90 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: quarterback tears. My brain must be a little scrambled. I 91 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: can't remember it. But there was something in there on 92 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: the Hurt section, like if you've read the is he 93 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: is like the most discs you know? Uh, And there's 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: a couple other guys that you know are foals like 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: you know that weren't even on Hurts's level in terms 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 3: of their career accomplishments. So yeah, so this is something 97 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: you know. And Colin Coward asked me about this too. 98 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: But I've got something new for you on this one 99 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: that I didn't think of until yesterday. Actually, Dave de Shaannt, 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: who does edited my column and is brilliant, does a 101 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: great job. He came up with this. He was thinking 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: about it Hurts too, and we went back and looked. 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: So Hurts was higher two years ago coming off a 104 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: Super Bowl loss, like he had more Tier one votes 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: and was higher ranked than he is now. And so 106 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: you know, light bulb went on my head, like, why 107 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: would that be? And here's why I think it is. 108 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: I think when he lost the Super Bowl, he was 109 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: earlier in his career and he was perceived correctly to 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: have made a jump as a passer, because right that 111 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: was a concern of him coming out, Hey he's more 112 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: of a runner. Can he pass the ball? And he 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: showed that he made progress as a passer. I think 114 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: back then people projected that that would continue, that he 115 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: would continue to get better and better as a passer. 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: And since and you know, they had kind of the 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: weird year and then they had the year this year 118 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: where they took the bat of his hands and they 119 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: were a running team with Saquon Barkley. Certainly, after the 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: first few games last year, he hardly ever had a 121 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: game where he was throwing the ball a lot. And 122 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: so I don't think that anyone perceives that he's taken 123 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: another step as a passer, even though this great team 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: around him, with good play from him, won. So to 125 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: put him where he's at, you're basically saying, you know what, 126 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: I think you want dosage of him as a passers 127 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: is most appropriate. That if we put more of it 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: on his arm, that it wouldn't be good for the 129 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: team or him. Whereas some of these other guys that 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: are ahead of him in tier two. We'll see on 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, but justin Herbert Jared Goff to some degree, 132 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: Strout's barely ahead of him. But that people feel as 133 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: though either there's more of a ceiling there with them, 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: or you could load them up more than you could 135 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: Hurts and you might get better results. 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: Okay, that's very fair, and I get that. I'm gonna 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 2: assume that he was higher off the Super Bowl because 138 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: he was extraordinary, and then they had Saquon Barkley this year, 139 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: where a lot of people credited, which is fine, but 140 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: this was a nugget in your right up here. Hertz 141 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: attempted thirty or more passes in each of the Eagles 142 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: first four games than only once right Philly Lean did 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: into the run game. So I just know Lamar Jackson 144 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: doesn't throw the football lot. So I did look up 145 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. He threw over thirty times, attempted over thirty 146 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: passes eight times. Would you believe they lost five of those? 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: So the more Lamar threw, they were losing. Now, some 148 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: of that kind of in they were playing catch up. 149 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: The Ravens defense isn't as good as the Eagles, but 150 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: when they threw a lot, Yeah, he wasn't exactly like delivering. 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: And I think it's a knock on the run quarterbacks. 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: But I keep coming back to this. He was not 153 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: a first round pick. He got benched for TUA in Alabama, 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: and people can't get that stuff out of their head. Impressions, right, Yeah. 155 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: I think the way that someone's evaluated coming out does 156 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: stay with him a little bit longer. But I think 157 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: that some of those like he's improved. Obviously, if we 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: were going off his college evaluation, he'd be a low three. 159 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: So he's a very strong two based on what he's 160 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: shown with some of those things that were said about 161 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: him coming out are true. There are some limitations to 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: how much you might want him throwing the ball. We 163 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: can certainly play around with stats and say this guy 164 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: lost games with throwing more. You know, I think that's interesting, 165 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: But you know, Lamar, to me, the biggest step that 166 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: Lamar made this year was he was winning games with 167 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: a bottom defense for a lot of the year and 168 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: the kicker, by the way, was doing bad and that's 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: a really hard thing to do. And that's what Jane 170 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: Daniels going to the championship game with the bottom ten defense, 171 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: you know, that's there's not a lot of guys who 172 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: do that. So Hurts, you know, this year had a 173 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: top five defense, probably right around there, and then probably 174 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: the number one offensive line, the number one running back, 175 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: maybe a top three group of wide receivers. Would you say, 176 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: top five? 177 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: Top top five? 178 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, top five group of wide receivers in the league. 179 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: So you know, for some of these guys, it is 180 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: harder to get the credit. And I go back to 181 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: rock parties in that world too, you know, because Kyle Shannan. 182 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: If if you call up right now all time leaders 183 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: in yards per attempt, it's like, you know, Auto Graham, 184 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: it's the third guy is Jimmy G. And then you 185 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 3: go Steve young Is. After that, you get a bunch 186 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: of Hall of famers up there and Jimmy G's up there, 187 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: and you're like, huh, obviously that has to do with 188 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: the offense they're in and what Kyle's doing. And so 189 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: there's some pretty lips with some of that. 190 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: Too, regarding Hurts. So he's checked in at nine, tied 191 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: with CJ. Stroud. I'm just gonna and I know everybody 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: loves Stroud because he was the number two pick and 193 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: then out play Bryce Held by a mile. He was 194 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: excellent as a rookie. So in year two his completion 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: percentage ticked down, his touchdowns ticked down, his interceptions went up, 196 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: and he took fourteen more sacks. Yet somehow CJ. Stroud 197 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: is right on par with Jalen Hurts. And I know 198 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: well Stefan Diggs goes down, Jay, come on, give me 199 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: a break. Offensive line was horrendous. Well, okay, we can 200 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: make excuses, but the numbers are the numbers, like they 201 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: just weren't good. Does that mean CJ. Stroud can't elevate 202 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: any everybody when he doesn't have everything in position? 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm with you on that. I'm with 204 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: you on that. I think Stroud made such a huge impression, 205 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: got twelve Tier one votes after his first year, that 206 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: he falls. But they see people do take into account 207 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: some of you know, they don't give him all the 208 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: blame for that. I think they clearly don't. And and so, 209 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: but if you were to sit a year ago that 210 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: they were going to fire their OC, who was doing 211 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: head coach interviews. I mean, give me a break. Wasn't 212 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: that crazy? Sonning? 213 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Let me just quickly ask, when you reach out 214 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: to these people, do you get a lot of people 215 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: saying I don't want to participate in that, I'm not 216 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: doing it. 217 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: No, because they are all people that I know. So 218 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: that would happen like if you didn't know who you're calling, right, 219 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: I mean that would be like when I first did 220 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: this in twenty fourteen, I only had twenty six people 221 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: do it because I didn't know as many people, you know, 222 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: And now I really had cap it at fifty, you know, 223 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: because I. 224 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: Has everybody probably wants to be in. 225 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well I wouldn't say that. I mean, it's just 226 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: that there's more people that I know that. Yeah, let's 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: talk about it. It's fun, people enjoy it. 228 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: It is. 229 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: I found moderately interesting that like three years ago, Deshaun 230 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: Watson was top twelve. I think Aaron Rodgers I think 231 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: was top six. It shifts pretty quickly. I am curious. 232 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: Do you think people look more at the season or 233 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: body of work, career improvements all that stuff. 234 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: Well, the body of work for sure matters. For like, 235 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: for example, Patrick Mahomes has the ultimate body of work. 236 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: So he's not anymore producing amazing huge stats seasons, but 237 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: he's in the Super Bowl an AFC Chamionship game every year. 238 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: Like people aren't reassessing on him, and I don't know, 239 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: I'm gonna knock him down, right, So I think the 240 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: body of work does come into to play. The more 241 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: you have probably the uh, the more staying power you're 242 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna have in weathering a tough season. Whereas 243 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 3: if you've just come in and you know, let's just 244 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: say you only started a couple of games in your 245 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: first rookie year and then you have a good year, 246 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: you're gonna go way up. By the way, I just 247 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: looked something up. I just I just cheated and looked 248 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: something up for you here. Okay, on your so in 249 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: games with in games where you throw thirty or more passes, Okay, 250 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's seventeen touchdowns and two interceptions. 251 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: Oh so he had good numbers. 252 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he did. He uh And Jalen Hirsch was 253 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: six touchdowns four interceptions in his five games. So you 254 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 3: get the feeling there that you know Lamar was maybe 255 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: you know, doing a little more as a passer and 256 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: player in those games. Hirsch wasn't terrible in him, but. 257 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: He wasn't putting up Lamar numbers. 258 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 3: He wasn't putting up the even justin Herbert fifteen touchdowns, 259 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: two interceptions in those games. 260 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: So it's interesting because one of our guests who comes 261 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: on does this preview for the season, and I haven't 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: seen this stat anywhere. So the Eagles in the fourth quarter, 263 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: they were ahead so often. They ran sixty eight plays 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: all season trailing in the fourth quarter. That's it. So 265 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: they're essentially front running because they're so good early and 266 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Jalen doesn't have to throw or play catch up. And 267 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, I know he wasn't good guy ahead a. 268 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: Little bit like Trey Aikman back in his career. Well, 269 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: why doesn'n Aickman have better passing stats because they threw touchdowns. 270 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: He threw two touchdowns in the first half and then 271 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: they just hand it off and they kicked. But what's 272 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: he supposed to do throw it fifty times a game? Yeah, 273 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: you know. 274 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: And Lamar's defense wasn't an excellent I am curious, you know, 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: And you don't want to continue to knock them, And 276 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm just this is reality. Josh Allen and 277 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, for whatever reason, keep coming up just short 278 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Now, I'm sure you remember that Bill's 279 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: lost in Arrowhead. Like, I get it, Josh Allen tier 280 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: one quarterback awesome, but the play calling was so horrible. 281 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: You rarely say, man Andy Reid called a horrible game 282 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: with Mahomes, Yet we say this for Lamar and Harball 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: in that playoff game they hosted. I lost money on 284 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: the Ravens and then the the McDermott and the Bill. 285 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: So I know we want to put the quarterbacks in tears, 286 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: but they're really tied to the offensive coordinator and coach, 287 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: are they not. 288 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: A little bit? I thought Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson 289 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: were also a little sloppy early in those games. Ball 290 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: on the ground, just ball handling imprecise early in the games. 291 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: And I feel like, you know, maybe Mahomes does that 292 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: too and overcomes it. But I just feel like some 293 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: of the more established Tier one guys or the real 294 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: craftsmen of the job, like, are more on point. Like, 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: you got to play a tight game, right, There's gonna 296 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: be limited possessions. Again, It's Kansas city, they shorten the game, 297 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: and so every one of those is important. I feel 298 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: like those guys like will squander a possession of the snap, 299 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: will go by Lamar and he's suddenly running and dogpiling 300 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: on and it's not really Lamar's fault, but it's just 301 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: it kind of is, and it's just sort of part 302 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: of a less part of a not totally airtight operation, 303 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. And maybe maybe that's a difference 304 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: of having an offensive coach as your coordinator, right or 305 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: a head coach or I don't know, maybe reading too 306 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: much into it, but some of those details, some of 307 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: those offensive details, to me, I feel like we're lacking 308 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: early in the game in the playoffs for both Buffalo 309 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: and Baltimore. 310 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: And it's interesting that both those are not coached by 311 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: head coach, not by an offensive guy. Mcdermoy defense, hardball, 312 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: special teams. I don't know if that plays. 313 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: In they're good coaches, but yeah, they're good. 314 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 315 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 316 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search 317 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: FSR to listen live. 318 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: Let's go a little further down the list. So it 319 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: is strange that Trevor Lawrence came into the league with 320 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: all this acclaim he's the best prospect since Andrew Locke 321 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: started as a true freshman at Clemson, won the Natty, 322 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: and he's checking in at eighteenth. And if anything, he's 323 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: been sliding here for a couple of years. Where what's 324 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: the consensus for Lawrence? Like, what's the problem? Jalen Hurts 325 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: has had a different OC every year. Okay, Trevor Lawrence 326 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: is on multiple head coaches OC's what's the excuse here? 327 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: So I think that people don't feel like he can 328 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: become Tier one, and so one of the reasons is 329 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: he's just not consistently accurate and hasn't been. So when 330 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: you look at a lot of these guys that are 331 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: up the top, they kind of have some something really 332 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: special about him, right, something that differentiates them. I think 333 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: that Trevor Lawrence is a really good athlete, you know, 334 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: for being as tall as he is, probably, but what 335 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: what is his superpower? Right? What's he super elite at? 336 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: What can he have his hat on that he is 337 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: known for? Right? Because we can say with the other 338 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: guy's burrow pack, here's the anticipation as a passer, lights 339 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: out right the homes beside what he does physically. I mean, 340 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: you talk about a guy who just has been squared away, driven, competitor, 341 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: almost like a Brady type from the beginning, right, mature, 342 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: Josh Allen, you try tackling him. I mean, this guy 343 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: is a beast, right Lamar Jackson a different type of 344 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: a runner, but oh my gosh, a highlight reel when 345 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: we're playing him. We're going to be on the highlights 346 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: this week, and it's going to be embarrassing. Even Stafford 347 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: from the Pocket Magical. You know, what is it for 348 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence? Even the top of Tier three Kyler Murray 349 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: electric as a runner. Aaron Rodgers is in a different 350 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: category two of though when he's on time, incredible accuracy. 351 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, what is it? 352 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: What is that's a good guy? I had not thought 353 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: about that because Lawrence is listen. I mean he he 354 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: hasn't been impressive. I think they covered the spread against 355 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: the Chiefs in a playoff game or it was close, 356 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: maybe a push and then they had the great comeback 357 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: against the Chargers and Herbert, but otherwise, yeah, he hasn't 358 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: been great. That being said. The situation again, like, hypothetically, 359 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: Mike Trevor Lawrence gets Andy Reid in Kansas City. What 360 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: does he have three super Bowls already? 361 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Two? 362 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: Three? 363 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's possible that he would have one, 364 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 3: he'd have a Super Bowl. Maybe that's interesting. Yeah. 365 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: Do you think by the way that Trevor lawnce ever 366 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: wins the Super Bowl? 367 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: Oh, I would take the I would take the field 368 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: on that. I would say no. But that's not a 369 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: slap on him. I mean, look, Matthew Stafford played a 370 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: lot of ball too. You got to get in the 371 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: right situation. Uh yeah, I mean Aaron Rodgers won one 372 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: and he's been unanimous to your one in this thing 373 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: six times. Rees won at one one. 374 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to it still will be real. 375 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: It's it's difficult. In the NBA, you know, you get 376 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: stars winning multiple Lebron Curry, all these guys. I don't 377 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: think it really works like that in the NFL. Let 378 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: me ask you about Kayleb Williams. He's got a new 379 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: head coach. A lot has been written about last year 380 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: what a disaster was from watching film and all that 381 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: fun stuff. Are you surprised he's down there with Bryce Young. 382 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: Mike actual quote when he was a senior or his 383 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: final year at USC, he could be the face of 384 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: the NFL in five years, And now he's right there, 385 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: down there with Bryce Young. 386 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose that he still could be. But 387 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: what was so striking about my conversations with people about 388 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: him was a lot of people just questioned his ability 389 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: to process and process the game quickly. And he took 390 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: a ton of sacks, so that's part of it. But 391 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 3: it was like, where's what's he doing, Where's he going 392 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: with the ball? Get it out of her hand? And 393 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: that was much more of a concern. The conversation around 394 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: him was much more concerning and kind of borderline negative 395 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: than it was certainly for Jaden Daniels, bow Nicks, even 396 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: Drake May. People would point to the situation he was in. 397 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: There wasn't anybody like poking holes and Drake May as 398 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 3: a prospect, whereas I felt like with Kayler Williams there 399 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: was some of that is that, hey, he was consensus 400 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: number one pick, so he's being held to a really 401 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: high standard. Yes, that's part of it, Like he was 402 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 3: the if he was a third round pick, people might 403 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 3: be saying, you know what, I kind of liked some 404 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: of the things I saw with Caleb, Right, but you're 405 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: number one and people are talking about you like you'd 406 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 3: be the face of the league. Now we're going to say, well, 407 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: we're not seeing that. So I think it's going to 408 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: be really interesting there with Ben Johnson, who hasn't been 409 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 3: afraid to publicly criticized players and calling the question. He's 410 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: talked about the team's body language and Caleb's body language 411 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: were not a poem's up team. He's been not afraid 412 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: to say things publicly and put guys on notice, other 413 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 3: guys with injuries. You know, he's talked about it. So 414 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: what he's feeling and thinking about Kayleb Williams, maybe we'll 415 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: be able to tell by the things that he says 416 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: this year. I think that will be interesting. 417 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not bullish on the Bears at all. This 418 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: is a tough one and I only just now noticed it. 419 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: So Kirk Cousins checks it twenty five, yeah, and Michael 420 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Pennox is twenty eight. 421 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. I can explain. 422 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: That has to be a body of work thing, right, Like, oh, 423 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins had a good career. 424 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's a little bit of this. So the 425 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: tier definitions are pretty linear Tier one, two, three, and 426 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: then in tier four. There's two ways you can get 427 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: into it. One way is if you played a long time, 428 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 3: you can be Tier four, like, hey, I don't think 429 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: you are a full season starter, Russell Wilson, Right, you 430 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: can also be a Tier four like not enough information. 431 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: Like so JJ McCarthy got fifty Tier four votes. Everyone's 432 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 3: just sort of saying I need to see more, and 433 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: so for somebody like Penix. Penix gets eleven votes in 434 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: Tier three after three starts, that's pretty good, but thirty 435 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: nine people said, you know what, three starts, I want 436 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 3: to see more. Just put him in four. Well, Kirk 437 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: gets twenty four votes in Tier four, but those are 438 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: like damning tier four votes for him. That's kind of like, 439 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: I don't think you're a starter anymore. So as a 440 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: result of that, Cousins ranked a little bit higher. His 441 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 3: body of work wine up counting a little bit for him. 442 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: He's falling from a higher spot. Penix is probably starting 443 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 3: lower and just inches up because they'll get three starts. 444 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: I would almost guarantee that, you know Pennix and McCarthy 445 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: for that matter unless they have really tough years, are 446 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: going to move up. 447 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: I was going to ask, who do you think is 448 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: the candidate to not just move up, but like jump 449 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: two tiers or yeah, I guess too, nobody's gonna jump 450 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: three tiers. But I'm extremely bullish. I don't want to 451 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: give away all my fantasy stuff. But I think Michael 452 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: Penix puts up massive numbers this year in Atlanta. I 453 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 2: think he could jump up to Tier two after the season. 454 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: That's probably a good one. I was going to say 455 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: that I would think he would go up to the 456 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: high tier three, but he I think he will get 457 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: Tier two votes next year. That's probably the best one 458 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: to go up two tiers because I don't see anyone 459 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 3: really going from Tier three to Tier one, like I 460 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: could see bo Nicks going up into Tier two. I 461 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 3: would almost expect that. 462 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what about Drake Make think he can also 463 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: make that kind of leap. 464 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 3: I would guess. My guess would be that he would 465 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 3: move up higher and Tier three. Some of that will 466 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: depend on what's around him, maybe, but I'm a little 467 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: bit more wait and see. They're not negative, just more 468 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: wait and see. 469 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: Got a close with my favorite guy. No not the 470 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: Jets quarterback. I'm gonna go with Brock Purty. He it's 471 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: interesting because, yeah, and this is a tough one, but 472 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: Mahomes lost the Super Bowl to Tampa, and I'll never forget, Well, 473 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: he didn't have his tacks, he had no chance, he 474 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: was running for his Okay, fair enough, Well, Mike Brock 475 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: Party was missing Hall of Fame running back, wide receivers, 476 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: like offensive line, defensive injuries, like they were beat the 477 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: hell up everywhere. And I don't hear that for Brock Purtty. 478 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: I hear the opposite of what I heard from Mahomes. 479 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: It was like, well, Party can't elevate anyone. That's just 480 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 2: not how he plays. Talk to me about perty. 481 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so Purty slipped just a little bit, and 482 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: I'm with you. I sort of felt like last year. 483 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't feel really worse about him after 484 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: last year. But I will say this, like I think 485 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: he would be at the very high in Tier two 486 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: if they had gone eleven and six instead of six 487 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: and eleven. They just couldn't win the games, and so 488 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: it's maybe unfair to expect him to overcome, but I 489 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: think it affirmed in people's minds that he's a good player, 490 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: but as much he's helped by what's around him. As 491 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: much as he's helping what's around him. When you play 492 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, you're not like, oh my gosh, 493 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: we got Purty this week, what are we going to do? 494 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: You're more like, hey, is McCaffrey planned? Because that makes 495 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: a huge difference. We got to watch on it for 496 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: Kittle and Kyle Shanan's going to pull your pants down 497 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: in the middle of the game because you know, because 498 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: he's such a great schemer, you're not like wow factor 499 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: on Purty. And so I think that's probably why he 500 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: wasn't able to drive better results in the field than 501 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: six and eleven. I think that's why he just sort 502 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: of stayed where he was or you know, slid back. 503 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: So is Purty's superpower processing or working with Kyle Shanahan. 504 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 3: I think processing and working with it's a good combination 505 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 3: to have. But I think, like I said, you know, 506 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: Jimmy G's top three al time in the yards per attempt? 507 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: Is that because Jimmy G is a great yards PERTMP player? 508 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: Probably not obviously shit, And I guess I'll ask, do 509 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: you guys, Lean heavily on stats in this Obviously EPA 510 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 2: matters a lot, are there? 511 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? Who the voters don't though. 512 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Well they seem you you mentioned it, not the voter. Sorry, 513 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: you mentioned that e p A a lot, And I'm curious. 514 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: Is that your number one stat now? E p A 515 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: as opposed to your yards per attempt? You know the 516 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: old school gets down passing yards? 517 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is, But I like to look at 518 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 3: them all in combination, because no single one of them 519 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: tells you everything. But when I can see a bunch 520 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: of them, I can kind of then see where it's 521 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: coming from. So I think EPAS. I'm glad it's been 522 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: mainstream because I think it's better than some other stuff. 523 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: But it is applient to a quarterback. There's a team 524 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: component to that stat too, as there is to all 525 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: of them. But I do like it a lot. I 526 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: do like it a lot, especially I like it more 527 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: on a team level. But I think it's good for 528 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: the for the quarterbacks. And still look at other things 529 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: like I still look at yards per tent to look 530 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: at how quickly they get in above of their hands. 531 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 3: I look at other categories within EPA, like what's their 532 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: sack EPA. Right, what's their scrambling EPA? How much? Where 533 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: are they getting their value from? And we kind of 534 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: know that from watching the games, but it helps to 535 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 3: look at the numbers too. 536 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Mike Sando, the Athletic, the King of 537 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: quarterback tiers, hey Man, great stuff as always, I'm sure 538 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: we'll talk to you during the season. And continued success 539 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: over the Athletic buddy. 540 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jason, appreciate it.