Speaker 1: This is third down and one at the two yard line,
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Walks it off and off Kareem Hunt, Pike
Speaker 1: side Corray, he is give it time touchdown Child City.
Speaker 2: It's a lock off touchdown by Kareem Hunt, and the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs stay undefeated at eight and zero, the
Speaker 2: only unbeaten team in the National Football League. Fourteen straight
Speaker 2: wins for the Chiefs Kingdom.
Speaker 3: That was Mitch Holtis of w DAF at Chiefs are inevitable,
Speaker 3: thirty to twenty four in overtime.
Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt, he's inevitable. Patrick Mahomes he's indestructible. He can't
Speaker 4: get injured. And the Chiefs in overtime. You lose that toss,
Speaker 4: you're gonna lose. Chiefs stay undefeated. I'm Greg Rosenthal. This
Speaker 4: is NFL Daily and Nick Shook fresh off writing up
Speaker 4: the what we learned on NFL dot Com.
Speaker 5: What did you learn?
Speaker 4: Nick?
Speaker 6: I learned what I already knew about the Chiefs offense,
Speaker 6: which that's a slow, methodical, grinded out offense. It's gonna
Speaker 6: papercut you to death. But what I really learned is
Speaker 6: that occasionally they can impose their will on you up
Speaker 6: front and just run it down your throats for touchdowns
Speaker 6: in the biggest moments.
Speaker 7: We saw that tonight.
Speaker 6: As soon as they won the toss and overtime, you
Speaker 6: had a feeling it was gonna look a lot like
Speaker 6: that touchdown drive in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 7: That's exactly what it ended up looking like.
Speaker 4: Yes, and the overtime drive of the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 4: the overtime drive that haunts our producer Eric's nightmares against
Speaker 4: the Bills, and all the overtime drives as long as
Speaker 4: they're on offense, Chiefs fans don't like to be reminded
Speaker 4: of that twenty eighteen NFC Championship overtime. Sorry, I thought
Speaker 4: the ball control was really interesting tonight. And yes, this
Speaker 4: Chiefs team isn't as flashy, and we're gonna get to
Speaker 4: some new things like DeAndre Hopkins was such a big deal.
Speaker 4: But they had the ball for eighty three plays on
Speaker 4: Monday night the Bucks fifty two. The Chiefs had twenty
Speaker 4: eight first downs in this game. They dominated a time
Speaker 4: in possession forty to twenty five. We've seen that a lot.
Speaker 4: But what I think is different and interesting about this
Speaker 4: team is a lot of times these comebacks Nick have
Speaker 4: started by running the ball. They were down seventeen to
Speaker 4: ten in the fourth quarter of this game. They've actually
Speaker 4: come back at some point in the game in seven
Speaker 4: of their eight wins, and a lot of times it's
Speaker 4: the second quarter, it's the third quarter, and they actually
Speaker 4: come back by running the ball. They didn't run the
Speaker 4: ball that well in the first half of this game,
Speaker 4: but they had that drive when they were down a
Speaker 4: touchdown and they just got it going. And that interior
Speaker 4: line is just so good. And on a night where
Speaker 4: the Bucks pass rushers I thought did really well and
Speaker 4: I think Todd Bowles had a pretty good game plan defensively,
Speaker 4: it still did matter that.
Speaker 5: The Chiefs get it done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was interesting that Bulls approach shifted, and I
Speaker 6: understand why, because with an offense like this, you can't
Speaker 6: blitz them to death and force them into mistakes because
Speaker 6: they're not trying to throw the football down the field.
Speaker 6: You kind of have to sit back and trust your
Speaker 6: base rushes, play coverage and really worry about stopping the run,
Speaker 6: especially in the second half. So that was a bit
Speaker 6: of a surprise. But what was more surprising is the
Speaker 6: fact that the Chiefs were able to still make it
Speaker 6: work with that happening, and you're right. The pass rushers
Speaker 6: for the Buccaneers did a good job, especially in the
Speaker 6: first half, and then you get to the second half.
Speaker 6: You know, the Chiefs only put ten points on the board,
Speaker 6: and they look like they have for most of the season.
Speaker 6: They're unimpressive. That it's the reason that everybody gets on
Speaker 6: me about putting Patrick Mahomes so high. Oh, he's got
Speaker 6: more picks than touchdowns is what they said a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks ago. It doesn't matter because he plays within
Speaker 6: this offense at an expert level, and the Buccaneers just
Speaker 6: got a first hand experience with why he's ranked that
Speaker 6: high because he just doesn't so well he's almost impossible
Speaker 6: to stop. Add in Kareem Hunt, who goes over one
Speaker 6: hundred yards, which, by the way, it's great to see
Speaker 6: Kareem Hunt thrive relatively with the Chiefs again in a
Speaker 6: different fashion than he used to when he was there before.
Speaker 6: But you add that in and something they're that much
Speaker 6: harder to defend, and it just puts that much more
Speaker 6: stress on the Todd Bowles defense, and that's how you
Speaker 6: end up with a drive like they had in the
Speaker 6: fourth quarter that goes fifteen plays seventy eight yards, takes
Speaker 6: eight and a half minutes off the clock. I mean
Speaker 6: it was a death march of sorts, like they just
Speaker 6: play by play. I'm just watching them going, oh, they're
Speaker 6: just getting what they want in none of it's big chunks.
Speaker 6: It's Mahomes on a bad ankle throwing to Travis Kelcey
Speaker 6: on third down to convert, which, by the way, twelve
Speaker 6: for eighteen on third down. This is how you win
Speaker 6: football games when you're not seeing explosive This is.
Speaker 4: How anyone else wins football games. Twelve out of eighteen
Speaker 4: on third down.
Speaker 7: What's the difference.
Speaker 6: The difference Mahomes is the guy is operating this offense,
Speaker 6: which is why he should be regarded so highly even
Speaker 6: if the numbers aren't there.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that he did throw three
Speaker 4: touchdown passes tonight. So now he's finally over the touchdown
Speaker 4: interception threshold. He's now got eleven touchdown nine interceptions. That's
Speaker 4: an overrated stat to evaluate quarterback. It's okay to have there,
Speaker 4: but it's not It's not the one thing you need
Speaker 4: to look at. Look, he went eleven for thirteen himself
Speaker 4: on third downs with ten first downs, three touchdowns, you know,
Speaker 4: the only third downs that they didn't get. And it's
Speaker 4: interesting that overtime drive just felt so inevitable. These short
Speaker 4: passes and then the run on third and short to
Speaker 4: finish it. That was a five minute, fifty two second
Speaker 4: ten play drive that was actually a drive that was
Speaker 4: the fourth longest drive of the night by the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: They had three other drives that were longer. An eight minute,
Speaker 4: fifteen play touchdown drive that gave them the lead in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, a six and a half minute twelve
Speaker 4: play touchdown drive that tied the game, and then a
Speaker 4: couple ten plus play drives in the first half, one
Speaker 4: of which went for seventy yards and a touchdown and
Speaker 4: took over six minutes.
Speaker 5: So this is who they are.
Speaker 4: And Troy Aikman said on the podcast, just like they're
Speaker 4: an offense that they get into third and four, they
Speaker 4: get into third and six and if they need they
Speaker 4: get seven and literally, as he was saying it, they
Speaker 4: hit a first down just too easy. And Kelsey's funny.
Speaker 4: I mean, he he had fourteen catches, tying the career
Speaker 4: high for only one hundred yards. He's averaging like seven
Speaker 4: and a half eight eight yards per catch this season,
Speaker 4: and normally you see that kind of stat in an
Speaker 4: old tight end and you say he's washed. But that's
Speaker 4: just what they need and what they're gonna need in
Speaker 4: this offense because they don't have enough explosive plays, but
Speaker 4: they do now have DeAndre Hopkins. And just tell me
Speaker 4: kind of what you saw out of DeAndre Hopkins. He
Speaker 4: goes eight for eighty six and two touchdowns, and this
Speaker 4: offense just feels different with him in it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. What I saw wasn't much different from
Speaker 6: what I've seen from him before. It's the way they
Speaker 6: used him that was different. They were moving him around,
Speaker 6: they were using him within the comp like the restrictions
Speaker 6: of sorts or just the bounds of their offense. It
Speaker 6: wasn't Hopkins going deep save for that thirty five yard
Speaker 6: catch wud set up that touchdown. That was a masterful catch.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's DeAndre Hopkins as we've always known him
Speaker 6: to be, catching it in traffic two guys to set
Speaker 6: up a score. But otherwise it's short passes and he's there,
Speaker 6: he's making the catch. He wins a slant on the
Speaker 6: goal line. It's a five yard touchdown catch that the
Speaker 6: defender had no chance of stopping because imagine I try
Speaker 6: to put myself in the defender's shoes in that situation.
Speaker 6: You're one on one on the goal line with DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 6: You know that for the majority of his career he's
Speaker 6: running that fade to the back corner of the end zone.
Speaker 6: But against these Chiefs, it's a different story. So you know,
Speaker 6: the Aikman's like, you got to drive down and prevent
Speaker 6: that slant? Well, yeah, what am I going to cheat inside?
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna give up the fade that I've seen
Speaker 6: him catch a million times in his career. No, I'm
Speaker 6: going to try to react and I'm a step slow
Speaker 6: because it's DeAndre Hopkins. So what In his first game
Speaker 6: with them, it was quiet two for twenty nine. They
Speaker 6: still win the game, obviously, but this was like a
Speaker 6: bit of a coming out party within the bounds of
Speaker 6: this offense in that he can still find a way
Speaker 6: to make an impact because he's still such a good
Speaker 6: receiver and they actually know how to use him, and
Speaker 6: it gives Patrick Mahomes an option outside of the tight
Speaker 6: end group because since they've suffered those losses at receiver,
Speaker 6: they just haven't gotten much production out of receiver.
Speaker 7: It's just been all tight end short passes.
Speaker 6: And now he has another guy to go to that
Speaker 6: he can lean on consistently that will really not elevate
Speaker 6: this offense in terms of explosiveness, but elevate them in
Speaker 6: terms of options. Now he has other places to look.
Speaker 4: He was perfect for tonight. He beat He's his own
Speaker 4: beater and that's what they need. And on one hand,
Speaker 4: it's like, wow, we're adding another slow, big receiver to
Speaker 4: the Chiefs offense. But he's way better than any of
Speaker 4: the other options, like a Juju smith Suster whenever he
Speaker 4: gets healthy. And you know, they had great chemistry in
Speaker 4: terms of knowing what the other was going to do
Speaker 4: on that play that you mentioned, and that play where
Speaker 4: Mahomes steps into in a completely crowded pocket and throws
Speaker 4: it despite getting hit into a window that just you
Speaker 4: could tell the interview at halftime, Todd Bowles was so
Speaker 4: frustrated that play even happened. How many times does that
Speaker 4: happen in the Mahomes era where the coach is just like,
Speaker 4: I can't believe that habit.
Speaker 5: All we got to do is knock down that ball.
Speaker 4: But it's Mahomes and for a second I was like, Yes,
Speaker 4: this is the Mahomes we need to see more of,
Speaker 4: like the the making actual magic Mahomes, like exciting Mahomes.
Speaker 4: And he tried to uncork a deep pass later in
Speaker 4: the game. I forget was that one to Watson and
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, the old Mahomes is back.
Speaker 5: But he was overthrown by four or five yards.
Speaker 4: But Hopkins gives a guy they can trust at a
Speaker 4: moment where they can't trust Xavier Worthy. If you watch
Speaker 4: that Raiders tape last week, he's just making mental error
Speaker 4: after mental error every week. And then he starts this
Speaker 4: game by basically giving up seven points by not knowing
Speaker 4: where he is on the field in a wide open
Speaker 4: touchdown steps out of bounds. Then he gets the ball
Speaker 4: one other time, and instead of continuing forward on what
Speaker 4: might have been a doomed trick play, he still stopped
Speaker 4: his feet and tried to change directions instead of using
Speaker 4: the speed and he might have been able to outrun
Speaker 4: the defender. He's just not making good decisions. Those end
Speaker 4: up being the only two targets he has in the game.
Speaker 4: So Hopkins comes in and he gives them what they need.
Speaker 4: They've been a bad red zone team all year, Nick,
Speaker 4: They're twenty fifth in red zone efficiency coming into tonight.
Speaker 4: Tonight four for four, Hopkins has two of them. Let's
Speaker 4: actually listen to Hopkins is second touchdown.
Speaker 8: Mahomes calls an audible and backs up behind Kreg Humphrey.
Speaker 8: Here comes the blitz, quick passes touch this side touchdown,
Speaker 8: towns on City doorn, Ryan Hopkins on the quick cleft
Speaker 8: side slam the second time De hop has tasted the
Speaker 8: sweet nectar.
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Speaker 6: And the defender's name is Josh Hazen there and you
Speaker 6: can see him little stutter off the line breaks inside,
Speaker 6: makes the catch. He fits in this offense so well
Speaker 6: because they are so methodical. What that I liken them too,
Speaker 6: is a bullet constrictor just squeezes its adversary to death.
Speaker 6: That's what they do. And I think that he works perfectly.
Speaker 6: Like you said, zone beater, find the soft spots in coverage.
Speaker 6: That's what the tight ends have been doing. Now you
Speaker 6: have another guy with a ton of experience and trusty
Speaker 6: hands to be able to get the job done working
Speaker 6: with you know, arguably the best quarterback on the planet.
Speaker 6: I just can't see a way which you stop them.
Speaker 6: If you know that the deep ball is not there
Speaker 6: and you're going to try to play defense short, it's
Speaker 6: still gonna be a challenge.
Speaker 4: What a trade and watching the DeAndre Hopkins in a
Speaker 4: good interview after the game with Laura Ruttledge of ESPN,
Speaker 4: I mean, he was so emotional, like we think, oh,
Speaker 4: this is another just win for the Chiefs. But he's
Speaker 4: been in Siberia for a while now. I mean that
Speaker 4: those Texans teams he was on early, they were good teams.
Speaker 4: He was in many meaningful games. He made the playoffs
Speaker 4: a number of times. Was only on two teams that
Speaker 4: actually won a playoff game, but Arizona that was a
Speaker 4: pretty dark run. He gets one playoff game there that
Speaker 4: the Titans, you know, as irrelevant as it gets, and
Speaker 4: he he was, you know, almost tearing up, saying words
Speaker 4: can't describe you know what this means to be I
Speaker 4: manifested it, you know, with my mom, we talked about
Speaker 4: this all the time, and I'm just going to stay
Speaker 4: present in this moment, and then right after that, Travis
Speaker 4: Kelcey's on with with Scott Van Pelt and he just says, like,
Speaker 4: what a difference having a guy like Hopkins adds to
Speaker 4: that locker room, especially some of the older guys like
Speaker 4: Kelsey or even a Mahomes like that, he has so
Speaker 4: much confidence and then seeing it's like those championship teams
Speaker 4: that add a little extra player to the mix. I
Speaker 4: had a not really well thought out tweet Nick that
Speaker 4: the Chiefs are doing the Patriots dynasty in reverse and
Speaker 4: they've now reached the two thousand and three Patriots team,
Speaker 4: and DeAndre Hopkins, in my mind, in this situation, is
Speaker 4: Corey Dillon, and they're just this team that's kind of
Speaker 4: like slugging you out. And it's a really good defense,
Speaker 4: but you know, the offense, it's getting better, but it's opportunistic.
Speaker 5: I don't know if this even makes sense.
Speaker 4: They're no longer like the two thousand, you know, seven
Speaker 4: or twenty fourteen pages, they're now in two thousand and three.
Speaker 5: But however, you're gonna win.
Speaker 4: I really think Hopkins has some intangible qualities here that
Speaker 4: really adds a lot to this season. Should we talk
Speaker 4: about Todd Bowles. Were you annoyed by Todd Bowles not
Speaker 4: going for two? They scored the game time touchdown, And yes, Bucks,
Speaker 4: we're going to fans, the ones that are out there
Speaker 4: like we're gonna give you some flowers. They're showing up
Speaker 4: every every week just about this season. Given great effort,
Speaker 4: they could have won this game. They get the touchdown
Speaker 4: with thirty seconds left after a great drive by Baker.
Speaker 4: Did you think he should have gone for two? Did
Speaker 4: he want him to go for two?
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6: And this is the second time that we've spent a
Speaker 6: Monday night talking about a Todd Bowles decision at the
Speaker 6: end of the game that hurt their team in one
Speaker 6: way or another. Last time it was because Chris Gobin
Speaker 6: got hurt at the end of the game they weren't
Speaker 6: gonna win. This time, it's conservative approach, just to get
Speaker 6: to overtime against a quarterback and a team that you
Speaker 6: know and you just witnessed by the way is going
Speaker 6: to methodically drive down the field and squeeze the life
Speaker 6: out of you if they win the coin toss, So
Speaker 6: you essentially leave it up to a coin toss. Not
Speaker 6: a good call. You have momentum in your favor, you're
Speaker 6: in Arrowhead, you're on primetime. It's wet, go for the win, Todd,
Speaker 6: And I think that I hate to say this because
Speaker 6: I think that the Buccaneers obviously have a good chance
Speaker 6: to to battles for this division title with the Falcons.
Speaker 6: But as it stands right now, when I think about
Speaker 6: the Buccaneer season in full, with half of the season
Speaker 6: to go, I think about that moment against the Ravens
Speaker 6: where they lost their top two receivers, and I think
Speaker 6: about tonight as the two big flash points in this
Speaker 6: season where you're going to look back and say that
Speaker 6: defined our years. It was the decisions made by the
Speaker 6: coach in those moments that maybe will define our year.
Speaker 6: And this one, you know, you have to give him
Speaker 6: a pat on the back because I thought Liam Cohen
Speaker 6: did a fantastic job as an offensive coordinator of adjusting
Speaker 6: this offense knowing he doesn't have the verticality with those
Speaker 6: receivers anymore, knowing Kaydotten is your best pass catching option,
Speaker 6: and you have this three headed attack that combines for
Speaker 6: less than one hundred yards. They each go for like
Speaker 6: twenty ish a piece. None of them have a really
Speaker 6: good average. One of them is strilling Shepherd two for
Speaker 6: twenty one, like they're getting creative to stay alive in
Speaker 6: the run game. But they adjusted their offense well enough
Speaker 6: to still find success on a wet night on the
Speaker 6: road against the Chiefs defense that has been known to
Speaker 6: carry them to Super Bowl victories in the past. They
Speaker 6: made it a competitive game because of Liam Cohen and
Speaker 6: his you know, understanding of Baker mayfield strengths and how
Speaker 6: they can still move the football. So you feel good
Speaker 6: about that, but at the end of the day, you
Speaker 6: still lose a game that you could have won against
Speaker 6: the defending champs, against the team that's undefeated, and now
Speaker 6: you're four and five and you're just like, man, can
Speaker 6: we get out of our own way?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And how about the Thursday night game against the Falcons.
Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't necessarily coaching decisions other than just
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins eating up their blitz all night. But those
Speaker 4: these are three massive games in primetime where you really
Speaker 4: have a chance and the margins are so slim, and
Speaker 4: Todd Bowles is not winning on those margins, and the
Speaker 4: way he answers the questions after the game annoys me
Speaker 4: almost more than the decision itself.
Speaker 5: Let's listen, we.
Speaker 7: Want to get it to overtime. With the white conditions
Speaker 7: on the field, we felt like we had to go
Speaker 7: on overtime instead of go for two. So we had
Speaker 7: our shots. You know, we lost the game the day
Speaker 7: advice you have to go for two, what was no?
Speaker 7: We went for one. We took our shots, We had
Speaker 7: our chances all game. We just lost the game. It
Speaker 7: didn't come down today. It kind of did. It kind
Speaker 7: of did, like I kind of.
Speaker 6: It never comes down to one play, but you had
Speaker 6: the chance to win the game right there.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that whole sequence was both impressive and frustrating.
Speaker 4: First of all, half that drive was just Baker Mayfield
Speaker 4: throwing out routes to Sterling Shepard. Shepherd made a couple
Speaker 4: of great catches. Mayfield's timing was really good all night.
Speaker 4: I've been critical at times of Baker this year. I
Speaker 4: thought Liam Cohen, as you said, called a really good game.
Speaker 4: I thought he out coached Spagnolo. Yeah, it's crazy because
Speaker 4: the Bucks got way more quarterback hits. They sacked Mahomes
Speaker 4: four times without blitzing, and the Chiefs blitz quite a
Speaker 4: bit more. Didn't get a lot of pressure on Baker
Speaker 4: and there were open receivers and they moved the ball
Speaker 4: pretty well. Now, it wasn't evenly played game, like I said,
Speaker 4: like the Bucks defense couldn't really get off the field either.
Speaker 4: They were just dying a slower death. But they did
Speaker 4: a really good job of coaching. And I think Bowles
Speaker 4: just hasn't realized this is an offensive team.
Speaker 5: Go look at the DVA.
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Speaker 4: The DVA tells you they're the twenty seven defense in
Speaker 4: the league and they're the number eight offense in the league.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, well they don't have Chris Godwin and
Speaker 4: Mike Evans.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: They look pretty good the last two weeks. They just
Speaker 4: played quite well against the top five defense. This is
Speaker 4: not just about those receivers now. They'll be much better
Speaker 4: when Mike Evans returns. Unfortunately, they're not going to get
Speaker 4: Godwin back. But Kate Otten's making great catches in the
Speaker 4: offensive line. At this point, There's no way I could
Speaker 4: come up with five offensive lines that are better right
Speaker 4: now than the Bucks. They weren't perfect tonight, but they
Speaker 4: play well together. They have enough high draft picks. Everyone's
Speaker 4: playing well, and so embrace being an offensive team. There
Speaker 4: were three spots in this game where he didn't go
Speaker 4: for a fourth down conversion or could have been more aggressive.
Speaker 4: Two fourth down conversions in the two point so right
Speaker 4: before halftime, there's a fourth in four around midfield.
Speaker 5: It's thirty seconds left.
Speaker 4: You're in that in between where you don't want to
Speaker 4: give the Chiefs a chance, but maybe have a little
Speaker 4: confidence because you're not gonna win just punting the ball away.
Speaker 4: And they punt the ball away second half, they they
Speaker 4: don't go for it on fourth and two.
Speaker 5: They're at their own thirty eight.
Speaker 4: I know that's hard for Todd Bowles to like wrap
Speaker 4: his mind around in the year twenty twenty four. But
Speaker 4: they punt it away and the Chiefs are back on
Speaker 4: that thirty eight yard line on their way to scoring
Speaker 4: a touchdown, you know, eight or nine plays later.
Speaker 5: It takes them a while, but they get there. They
Speaker 5: score a touch on.
Speaker 4: You're probably not gonna stop him anyways, go get the
Speaker 4: two yards.
Speaker 5: I promise you can do it.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the game I understood
Speaker 4: them not going for two a little bit more, only
Speaker 4: because Todd Bowles had already botched the situation by taking
Speaker 4: a time out when they got to the one yard
Speaker 4: line on first and goal, and Troy Aikman was all
Speaker 4: over this. You gotta let the clock run there. You
Speaker 4: just gave them Homes a whole extra possession. If the
Speaker 4: clock is running there and they end up running that
Speaker 4: play on second down, let's say with like ten seconds left,
Speaker 4: then I'd feel more comfortable going for two. You know
Speaker 4: that the Chiefs probably aren't gonna score anyways, it's even
Speaker 4: more worth the risk. One thing that you worry about
Speaker 4: going for two is that you can get the two
Speaker 4: and still lose the game with thirty seconds left, So
Speaker 4: you're almost in between a rock and in a hard
Speaker 4: place either way. Like, I just don't think it's playing
Speaker 4: to your strengths, and so it's just very frustrating. And
Speaker 4: everyone apparently who knows the Bucks better knew he was
Speaker 4: never going to go for two there. Ryan Fitzpatrick tweeted
Speaker 4: it out like with two minutes before they even got
Speaker 4: to that point, there was like, there's no way Todd
Speaker 4: Bowles is going for two.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's my concern with them going forward to
Speaker 6: is that this is a defensive minded coach for the
Speaker 6: defense that doesn't stack up. So for him to force
Speaker 6: himself out of his traditional ways, which is all right,
Speaker 6: let's tie the game and lean on the defense. You
Speaker 6: can't do that when your strength is your offense, like
Speaker 6: you just said, and not going for two there. I
Speaker 6: don't care if there was thirty seconds left, there was
Speaker 6: five seconds left, because this Chief's offense, while it's Patrick
Speaker 6: Mahome still back there, have not shown the explosive verticality
Speaker 6: of previous years. And yes they had three timeouts, but
Speaker 6: it was a wet night and essentially what you end
Speaker 6: up doing is forcing them into a position where they
Speaker 6: have to try to get within Harrison Bucker's range on
Speaker 6: a wet night, like the field goal is not guaranteed,
Speaker 6: no matter how good of a kicker he is, so
Speaker 6: take the chance, go for the win instead of leaving
Speaker 6: it up to a coin flip flipping in overtime, which
Speaker 6: obviously they ultimately lost.
Speaker 4: The two worst drives of the night by the Chiefs
Speaker 4: were the last two in regulation, where they get Breing
Speaker 4: out twice, once to give the Bucks a ball back,
Speaker 4: and once again Baker played well, got that excellent touchdown
Speaker 4: drive and then they get it back with twenty seven
Speaker 4: seconds left. And man, first of all, the Bucks did
Speaker 4: the thing where they just kicked it and gave them
Speaker 4: ball at the thirty. I'm annoyed by that each and
Speaker 4: every week. But Mahomes almost threw the ball away there
Speaker 4: a couple times. One time into one. Will Winfield almost
Speaker 4: made a great play on the ball, could have intercepted it,
Speaker 4: and the Chiefs undefeated season would be over. But it's
Speaker 4: not over, partly because Patrick Mahomes is doing crazy things
Speaker 4: like creating space as he does, drawing defenders up to
Speaker 4: come after him in the red zone, and then throwing
Speaker 4: a touchdown to some i JP run on a play
Speaker 4: that he got injured. Let's listen to the call and
Speaker 4: then we're gonna listen to Patrick Mahomes talking about the injury.
Speaker 2: Right after that, Hopkins goes your motion left or right,
Speaker 2: tight wing right side Mahomes on.
Speaker 5: Third down and goal to go.
Speaker 1: Now we'll scramb up on to the right side.
Speaker 2: Now a Flipford light, Bennett's cart touchdown.
Speaker 9: Kansas City and Mahomes is down. Mahomes is down on
Speaker 9: all fours as he flipped the ball for to samajp
Speaker 9: Ryn for a touchdown Kansas City, but at what price.
Speaker 10: I was obviously running for the goal on was about
Speaker 10: kind of committed to running the football and at the
Speaker 10: last second saw samaj and so kind of awkwardly rolled
Speaker 10: ankle a little bit. Definitely scary. I think it hurt
Speaker 10: more just because its the same ankle I roll last
Speaker 10: week me a little bit. But once I kind of
Speaker 10: took my breath and kind of calmed down a little bit,
Speaker 10: end up being not too bad and we're able to
Speaker 10: go in there, kind of get the respat and go
Speaker 10: back on the football film.
Speaker 5: Shout out to Eric H.
Speaker 4: Roberts buying the glass having a great week after this
Speaker 4: Dodgers championship. I mean that we didn't plan that ahead,
Speaker 4: that you're going to do those two in a row.
Speaker 4: He gets the injury talk during the show that that
Speaker 4: was like that was like him being Mahomes flipping the
Speaker 4: ball at the last second to Sam a JP Ryan.
Speaker 5: So thank you for that, Eric, good.
Speaker 4: Job, And yeah, I guess Mahomes he's just he's indestructible.
Speaker 6: Nick, Yeah, you know, it's it just takes me back
Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl a couple years ago when he's
Speaker 6: got this bad ankle. Everybody's worried about his ankle, and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, he takes off for a
Speaker 6: long run. You know that how we know how that
Speaker 6: game ends, you know, the holding call in the field goal
Speaker 6: and everything else. It's just like, this guy can be hobbled,
Speaker 6: and he can have foot issues going into games. He
Speaker 6: can have ankle in issues going into games. And that's
Speaker 6: you know, you roll the inside of the ankle. It
Speaker 6: kind of freaks you out because it's an unnatural movement.
Speaker 6: And yet he just bounces right back and lead. There
Speaker 6: was a sequence in the next drive where he scrambles
Speaker 6: forward and I'm like, oh God, he's gonna run on
Speaker 6: that ankle, and then he immediately finds Travis Kelcey for
Speaker 6: a first down. And I'm just like, man, this guy.
Speaker 6: Whether he's an indestructible or superhuman, I don't know, but
Speaker 6: I would hate to be coaching defense against him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's playing better, and it's okay to say
Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes can play better. These guys aren't just robots.
Speaker 4: Hall of famers, the best of all time. Tom Brady
Speaker 4: has good games, bad games. There's ups and downs within
Speaker 4: all of his seasons and throughout his career. The last
Speaker 4: two weeks leading into this game I thought were probably
Speaker 4: the best two games of his season, maybe Week one
Speaker 4: against the Ravens, and then this was another excellent game
Speaker 4: by him too. So I think Mahomes was playing at
Speaker 4: a lower level even if he shouldn't have been. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying he should have been ranked that low on
Speaker 4: QB Index, but I do think he's playing better now
Speaker 4: and that's great news for Chiefs fans, as if they
Speaker 4: need more. All right, let's take a quick break. We're
Speaker 4: gonna do some news. Oh yeah, Denis Salad got fired today.
Speaker 4: Forgot to mention that we're going to talk to the
Speaker 4: Saints block party guys about the Dennis Allen firing later
Speaker 4: in the show. But we got a lot of news
Speaker 4: and our players of the week to get to before that.
Speaker 4: Back in a second, back on NFL Daily. And yeah,
Speaker 4: the Saints changing head coaches in the middle of the
Speaker 4: season for the first time since Joevitt was the interim
Speaker 4: head coach. That was the biggest news item on Monday,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't the only coaching change. We'll just put
Speaker 4: a pin in the Saints for a minute. We'll get
Speaker 4: to them at the end of the show. But for now,
Speaker 4: let's do some news, all right, So right after we
Speaker 4: stopped taping on Sunday night, he made some coaching changes.
Speaker 5: This feels so long ago at this point too.
Speaker 4: It's funny these items, Nick that if this happened in
Speaker 4: the offseason, it would we'd get three days out of this.
Speaker 5: It would be the biggest thing to happen all week.
Speaker 4: And now it's like, oh, yeah, the Raiders fired their
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator after half a season, like a first year guy.
Speaker 4: They also fired their offensive line coach and another assistant,
Speaker 4: Luke Getzi, is out with the Raiders. They have not
Speaker 4: announced who their new offensive coordinator is. They're in a
Speaker 4: bye week right now. Scott Turner, the former Panthers and
Speaker 4: Washington coordinator and assistant, is on staff there and is
Speaker 4: believed to be a strong candidate. And I've always thought
Speaker 4: is maybe better than the consensus opinion of him, which
Speaker 4: would mean that he's okay, because I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people haven't been a huge fan of him.
Speaker 5: He would make sense to me.
Speaker 4: But man, I thought, this is a bad sign for
Speaker 4: Antonio Pierce and his tenure that he's already having to
Speaker 4: make changes, Whether these are the changes he wanted to
Speaker 4: or whether they're you know, from above, they're making him
Speaker 4: make the changes and get rid of Getsie this early.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in your first year, you're already firing
Speaker 6: your Coordinator's not good. But then again, visually, the Raiders
Speaker 6: haven't been a good football team. And Antonio Pierce we
Speaker 6: talked about on the show last night, he's grasped at
Speaker 6: straws at this point.
Speaker 7: A quarterback.
Speaker 6: He's bench garter Minshew multiple times, he lost an O'Connell
Speaker 6: to injury.
Speaker 7: He puts Desen Ritterer in there. It doesn't get any better.
Speaker 6: So the next thing you do down the list is
Speaker 6: all right, well, let's fire our offensive coordinator. It did
Speaker 6: make me think once the news came down, is Luke
Speaker 6: Getzi gonna get another OC job in the NFL because
Speaker 6: now he's lost two within this calendar year.
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I don't think the results are there, but you got
Speaker 6: to do something when you ranked twenty ninth and total
Speaker 6: offense thirty second, and rushing and nineteenth and passing. Your
Speaker 6: best stat is passing, and you've changed quarterbacks like four times.
Speaker 6: So things are not good for the Raiders. They're headed
Speaker 6: toward a dark place right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the worst rushing games of the last
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 5: I think that's the main reason.
Speaker 4: Why they were so pass heavy on Sunday against the Bengals,
Speaker 4: although they kind of moved the ball and were relative
Speaker 4: effective for a decent part of the game.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know what anyone in Las Vegas was expecting.
Speaker 4: They have underperformed, But considering they don't have Davante Adams
Speaker 4: and they've had some injuries, like, I don't think they're
Speaker 4: underperforming by that much. This this offense was was never
Speaker 4: gonna be good. And yet it makes you worried about
Speaker 4: Antonio Pierce this year because that could be something where
Speaker 4: ownership is already getting involved and frustrated and then the
Speaker 4: change happens right off the bat.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 4: The kind of the I don't know. The national teams
Speaker 4: are struggling right now. The Raiders are struggling, The Giants
Speaker 4: certainly are struggling. The Cowboys season feels feels over. Dak
Speaker 4: Prescott is gonna miss multiple weeks. According to our insider
Speaker 4: Ian Rappaport, injured reserve is possible because of his hamstring injury.
Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb has a springed ac joint. He has a
Speaker 4: chance to play this week. He's weak to week, which
Speaker 4: again Michael Parsons is as well. But yeah, Gooper Rush
Speaker 4: starting against the Eagles this week. It was already over,
Speaker 4: but this is like a next level of over where
Speaker 4: they're thinking, Wow, I wonder how high our draft pick is.
Speaker 6: Going to be.
Speaker 7: Yeah, rivalry or not. That's gonna be a ugly game
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: And this is a team that's just been crushed by
Speaker 6: injuries on both sides of the ball. But they also
Speaker 6: were pretty talent port receiver to begin with. And when
Speaker 6: you lean that heavily on ceed Lamb and then you
Speaker 6: lose him, and Dak Prescott actually had a decent game
Speaker 6: before he exited with an injury. It just kind of
Speaker 6: it just captures where they are as a team this year,
Speaker 6: which is just low ceiling, not gonna be that good.
Speaker 6: I don't care how good of a coaching job Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy might even do. They just don't have the tools necessary,
Speaker 6: and now you lose your quarterback. It's not gonna get
Speaker 6: any better anytime soon.
Speaker 4: No, Vac Martin isn't playing that well at guard like
Speaker 4: the offensive line in that game, even against the Falcons.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: And you know, for once, I actually thought there's actually
Speaker 4: some open receivers there there for Dak We were playing
Speaker 4: the Falcons, so I guess that happens. But man, that
Speaker 4: it is brutal because they're in a lot of TV
Speaker 4: spots that we need to take them out of because
Speaker 4: I do not need to watch this Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Team in flex going. Let's start flexing please.
Speaker 5: Uh More on that in a minute. There were there
Speaker 5: was one trade.
Speaker 4: At least we're going to do the trade deadline spectacular
Speaker 4: on Tuesday, but there was a trade that Broncos traded
Speaker 4: Baron Browning to the Cardinals for a sixth round pick.
Speaker 4: They also signed another pass rusher. The Broncos did Jonathan
Speaker 4: Cooper to a long term extension four years, sixty million,
Speaker 4: so that that room was really crowded for the Broncos.
Speaker 4: Baron Browning is going to be a free agent in
Speaker 4: the offseason. It's almost like they kind of are choosing,
Speaker 4: We've got like four guys here. Browning maybe doesn't fit
Speaker 4: our scheme. Cardinals send them a late pick. They could
Speaker 4: certainly use some pass rush help and Browning's a talented
Speaker 4: player who's been up and down, I would say, in
Speaker 4: his career, but he jumps off the tape when he's good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a highlight a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: But I think that illustrates the the differences in regime
Speaker 6: changes when you lose the coach that maybe elevated you previously,
Speaker 6: and suddenly a new regimes in there, and you're not
Speaker 6: that guy anymore. You're not their guy anymore, and they
Speaker 6: got to make choices like that. All that tends to happen.
Speaker 6: You ship him out for a Day three pick that
Speaker 6: doesn't really amount to much, at least on the surface,
Speaker 6: and decide to go with the guy you prefer, which
Speaker 6: that's business in the NFL, playing simple.
Speaker 4: I also like it's interesting because it kind of shows
Speaker 4: where the Broncos are, not that Browning wasn't that important
Speaker 4: of a player for them. He's coming off an injury,
Speaker 4: but just they're sort of in between where they're willing
Speaker 4: to probably be buyers and sellers, like if something comes along,
Speaker 4: they're just fine tuning their team third year. If Sean
Speaker 4: Payton is kind of their go year, that'll be next season.
Speaker 4: And I like that the Cardinals are in a place
Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, we need bodies, we need a chance.
Speaker 4: We're trying to make this happen. There is a playoff
Speaker 4: spot available for us in this NFC West. They got
Speaker 4: a chance to do it, so they're trying to improve
Speaker 4: their team. We'll see if they'll do it anymore. On Tuesday,
Speaker 4: another NFC West team, the forty nine, opened up Christian
Speaker 4: McCaffrey's practice window. I think we're getting Christian McCaffrey back
Speaker 4: this week, at least according to John Lynch.
Speaker 6: Their GM long overdue. The forty nine Ers could use
Speaker 6: that jolt offensively. I mean, look, this guy's in the
Speaker 6: Cover Madden. It's one of the best players in the NFL.
Speaker 6: I'm very much looking forward to seeing him coming back
Speaker 6: and adding that weapon to an offense that could definitely
Speaker 6: use him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Cover of Madden. Though, you know it's at a check.
Speaker 7: No, the curse is overblown. It's overblown. It's Peyton hell As,
Speaker 7: that was a fan vote.
Speaker 4: We were in in a book off at the mall
Speaker 4: on Saturday and my son was looking for, you know,
Speaker 4: old video games to buy.
Speaker 5: We got an MLB.
Speaker 4: The show actually like a twenty twenty I was just like,
Speaker 4: I got I'll get you that for some you know,
Speaker 4: like use video games or there's seven bucks or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like, sure, let's get it. Anyways, I saw the
Speaker 4: Madden They have old ass Maddens there. They had a
Speaker 4: Madden eight with Vince Young on the cover, and I
Speaker 4: was like, the kids don't know, and it's not a college,
Speaker 4: it's not like coming out of college.
Speaker 5: Kids don't know.
Speaker 4: Rookie Vince Young was a good time, and like, I
Speaker 4: totally get why he was on that cover. He was
Speaker 4: a great time for a minute and that like people
Speaker 4: think of him as a bust or whatever, he had
Speaker 4: a lot of good moments in the NFL that a
Speaker 4: lot of quote unquote busts never have. So I will
Speaker 4: always defend rookie second year Vince Ye.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 6: Could you tell me who was on the cover of
Speaker 6: the year before? I know you can't, but I'm going
Speaker 6: to tell you, well.
Speaker 4: There were a couple wacky ones there. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 6: Tell me the whacky ones came later Madden O seven.
Speaker 6: Sean Alexander was on the cover.
Speaker 5: Okay, now that makes sense. He got the MVP.
Speaker 4: One of the more underwhelming MVPs of all time. Don't
Speaker 4: don't come at me, Seahawks fans. Aj Brown is not
Speaker 4: expected to miss significant time with the knee injury that
Speaker 4: he had, according to Jeff McClain of the Philly Inquirer,
Speaker 4: So maybe he has a chance to play this week,
Speaker 4: although with the way this Cowboys team looks, maybe don't
Speaker 4: rush him back if you don't need to couple other
Speaker 4: just small injury items. The Bills sent Ken Coleman to
Speaker 4: an MRI for risk injury. That that sounds a little
Speaker 4: dicey and maybe getting a second opinion. So I don't
Speaker 4: like that Duan Smooth, who's played some good snaps for
Speaker 4: them as a rotational defensive lineman's going to injured reserve.
Speaker 4: The Titans lost Quandary Digs for the season to a
Speaker 4: Liz Frank injury. They are also hopeful that this is
Speaker 4: the week for Will Levis to return. And then finally
Speaker 4: we got some flex news. Look, I think every time
Speaker 4: we do a flex you should flex. I should have
Speaker 4: showed you. I should have told you this ahead of time,
Speaker 4: because you know you got the.
Speaker 7: Mark under here. I mean I could take it off
Speaker 7: if you want.
Speaker 4: I want to know, please, I mean we do use
Speaker 4: you for you know, your massive sex appeal shook. But
Speaker 4: I don't want to go I don't want to go
Speaker 4: that far. They flex the Jets out of primetime. That's
Speaker 4: fun because I'm thinking back to before the season, the
Speaker 4: NFL said the Jets owe us some primetime games, and
Speaker 4: I was thinking during this last one, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: they vowed us enough, and they took the Jets out
Speaker 4: of primetime in a couple of weeks. I think it
Speaker 4: was what a Jets man. Now, I'm forgetting it was
Speaker 4: a Jets Colts game in primetime. Yeah, you don't need
Speaker 4: the Colts again. And they're putting Bengals Chargers. Now, the
Speaker 4: Bengals could very easily be four and six going into
Speaker 4: that game if they don't win this Thursday night against
Speaker 4: the Ravens. But who cares. The Bengals are still going
Speaker 4: to be in the mix at four and six. Bengals
Speaker 4: Chargers Herbert Burrow.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 6: A matchup of two of the brightest young talents a quarterback.
Speaker 6: Although they've been in the league long enough tim that
Speaker 6: I don't know if I can necessarily say they're quite
Speaker 6: as young as they were before they feel fairly established.
Speaker 6: Herbert's on a heater, which we discussed in yesterday's show,
Speaker 6: and Burrow has been good all year, so that attracts
Speaker 6: more eyeballs I think than another week of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6: And you know the saga that is the Jets against
Speaker 6: the Colts team that really underwhelmed in primetime on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Night, right, and it'd be Rogers versus Flacco. I mean,
Speaker 4: the Colts are I'm sure a big part of this too,
Speaker 4: Like after seeing what they did on Sunday Night Football NBC,
Speaker 4: it was like, no, thanks, don't want to do that again.
Speaker 4: We don't want the Flacco Rogers like you know Ravens
Speaker 4: Packers rematch from twenty fourteen, if that ever happened.
Speaker 5: I have no idea if that ever happened, but you know.
Speaker 4: Those two guys would be slinging it around with strong arms.
Speaker 4: You know what time of the show it is, Nick.
Speaker 7: It's a great time. It's a great time.
Speaker 4: It's time for the Captain's Corner, presented by Captain Morgan.
Speaker 4: As always, I'm letting you start first.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, we're gonna go with what might seem
Speaker 6: like a bit of a layup pick, and it's gonna
Speaker 6: be none other than Joey Burr. Joe Burrow for his
Speaker 6: five touchdown performance, right, that's what is deserving of Captain's corner.
Speaker 6: But that's not why I'm picking him. I'm picking him
Speaker 6: because Joe Burrow threw his fifth touchdown pass of a
Speaker 6: romp over the Raiders, and you could tell that he
Speaker 6: was not at all satisfied with where the Bengals are
Speaker 6: or his performance in the day, because he knows it's
Speaker 6: only one win and because of the hole they dug
Speaker 6: themselves in early, they have a long way to go.
Speaker 6: Let's listen to his postgame speech to his teammates.
Speaker 5: We're traveling on Wednesday, today's Sunday. Get your bodies right,
Speaker 5: get your minds right. It's a big one on Thursday.
Speaker 3: You know, he's still thinking about that play that he
Speaker 3: and Chase didn't connect on, because he's a perfectionist.
Speaker 7: Even in a game that's thirty eight seventeen.
Speaker 11: The position they put themselves in, the mentality from now
Speaker 11: on has to be after today's game, nine down, one
Speaker 11: to go.
Speaker 6: The expression in that clip if you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 6: which if you're listening on podcasts, he is as stoic
Speaker 6: as can be. He just threw his fifth touchdown pass.
Speaker 6: He's had a great day. Not excited at all. That
Speaker 6: expression says it all. Look, we were in a bad
Speaker 6: spot early. It's been a very frustrating first quarter to
Speaker 6: half of the season, and we're finally starting to hit
Speaker 6: our stride. But guys, we cannot enjoy this with victory
Speaker 6: cigars because we have so much further to go. If
Speaker 6: you want to actually be in this race. That is
Speaker 6: the leadership that I expect from a selection for Captain's corner,
Speaker 6: and that's why I'm picking Joe Burrow right there. It's
Speaker 6: funny because Greg Get reminded me I went Saturday night.
Speaker 6: I went and hung out with my niece and nephew.
Speaker 6: I played Nintendo with the Switch with my nephew and
Speaker 6: I'm killing him in Mario Kart, and after like three races,
Speaker 6: he just I look over at him and he's just stonefaced,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, hey, what's wrong. He's four and He's like,
Speaker 6: I don't want to play this anymore. That's what Joe
Speaker 6: Burrow looked like. It struck me in that moment. So
Speaker 6: good on Joe for leading by example.
Speaker 5: Great choice.
Speaker 4: I love the reasoning too, And yeah, that reminds me.
Speaker 4: I didn't even mention Jack Jones, with one of my
Speaker 4: favorite defensive players of the year, on a pick six
Speaker 4: on Burrow earlier in the fourth quarter. So maybe he
Speaker 4: was salty about that they had a three and out
Speaker 4: earlier and he knows that they can't be making those
Speaker 4: mistakes against the Ravens that they were making in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, even if it felt meaningless. And that's why
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is is who Joe Burrow is. And he
Speaker 4: also might have been annoyed because his rookie receiver let
Speaker 4: the team down. I meant to mention this during the
Speaker 4: recap show, and I think it's worth mentioning here because
Speaker 4: seeing him on the bench reminded me of a clip
Speaker 4: that was going around social media. At some point in
Speaker 4: the game. He said something to Jermaine Burton, who's their
Speaker 4: rookie third round pick, and he looked very serious saying it,
Speaker 4: and Jermaine Burton looks serious listening to it. And then
Speaker 4: Jermain Burton got up off the bench, and the speculation
Speaker 4: was that Joe Burrow was like, you haven't earned sitting down.
Speaker 4: You know, he's in street clothes, you have no right
Speaker 4: to be sitting down during this game. Who knows if
Speaker 4: that's exactly that it's actually what he said, But the
Speaker 4: reporting in Cincinnati from Paul daaner of the Athletic in a
Speaker 4: few places was they talked all week that they were
Speaker 4: making Burton a big part of the game plan, the
Speaker 4: whole team, the players. He's really matured all this stuff,
Speaker 4: and they wanted him to kind of step into a
Speaker 4: starting role because Yoshavas has been a little quiet as
Speaker 4: the second or third receiver whatever he's going to be.
Speaker 4: Burton's talent has been playing better. And he literally didn't
Speaker 4: show up on Saturday for walkthrough, which is crazy, and
Speaker 4: that always makes you a little worried. Whether there's more
Speaker 4: to the story, We don't know. I don't want to
Speaker 4: speculate on that, but whatever it was, he did not
Speaker 4: show up to the walkthrough, and the way his coach
Speaker 4: and his teammates talked about it out afterwards, it was
Speaker 4: a broad spectrum of just pissed, worried, disappointed, and just
Speaker 4: like w twof like what, we cannot trust this kid?
Speaker 5: So who knows, maybe he was a little salty about
Speaker 5: that too.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to mention that because it's a little
Speaker 4: interesting wrinkle of a guy that had some issues coming
Speaker 4: into the league and now you wonder, like, are they
Speaker 4: going to trust him again at any point because in
Speaker 4: theory he should have a big role in Thursday nights
Speaker 4: game if t Higgins isn't available yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you're you're dealing with what every team
Speaker 6: deals with, which is injuries at certain positions, but at
Speaker 6: receiver especially. It's very important to this team because they
Speaker 6: learned early in the season that they have to put
Speaker 6: up a lot of points and the defense has kind
Speaker 6: of come around a little bit, but they still know
Speaker 6: they have to put up a lot of points to
Speaker 6: win games and their backs are against the wall. So
Speaker 6: now is not the time for you rookie to not
Speaker 6: show up because he overslept or whatever it might have been.
Speaker 6: Get to work on time, be a pro, and I'm
Speaker 6: glad Joe Burrow is taking the lead on that.
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't like, they said, like no contact from
Speaker 4: him either, So that's a tough one that you don't
Speaker 4: hear that too often at the NFL level of just
Speaker 4: like total total no show. But he was there on Sunday,
Speaker 4: uh ironically showed up like with pajama pants on which.
Speaker 7: It was a road game, he probably wouldn't have made
Speaker 7: the flight.
Speaker 5: For some reason.
Speaker 4: I was just thinking, like, I know, it doesn't merely
Speaker 4: matter what he showed up, but if you're gonna not
Speaker 4: completely show up and then basically get suspent, you know,
Speaker 4: like a soft suspension for the game on Sunday, you know,
Speaker 4: just put on some jeans or something dress for work.
Speaker 4: Pajama pants. My captain almost forgot. We're still in the corner. Uh,
Speaker 4: it's just got to be the Cardinals coaching staff in general. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm going I'm going to coaches. I'm going to multiple coaches.
Speaker 4: This thing is is loose.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 4: Nick Rallis, the defensive coordinator of the Cardinals great game
Speaker 4: plan against the Bears, has done a good job, I
Speaker 4: think with an undermanned team all year. But he's getting
Speaker 4: the nod here because he named his son Dominic Kaisier Rallis. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he named his He named his son after Kaizier White,
Speaker 4: one of my weirdly favorite players.
Speaker 5: In the NFL.
Speaker 4: You brought up a tough Yeah, you brought up a
Speaker 4: tough memory for me. Mentioning the Patrick Mahomes high ankle
Speaker 4: Sprain run that he had in the Super Bowl, because
Speaker 4: the guy that he juked in the open field which
Speaker 4: changed the course of Super Bowl history, was Kaizier White.
Speaker 4: But naming your son after Kaizier wait, love that parent.
Speaker 4: You know, who knows. Maybe they'll just call him Kaizer.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to go by the
Speaker 4: middle name or the first name, but good.
Speaker 5: Job by him.
Speaker 4: And then just to spread it out, I'm going to
Speaker 4: give Jeff Rogers, the special teams coordinator, some love too,
Speaker 4: because some great punt coverage, some diving on the one
Speaker 4: yard line, but especially that his players were prepared for
Speaker 4: something that's literally never happened, at least that I've ever seen,
Speaker 4: and it's not in its current formation where on a
Speaker 4: free kick the way that the blockers are set up
Speaker 4: is the same as the kickoff the new dynamic kickoff
Speaker 4: ten yards apart. So this has never actually happened shook
Speaker 4: in the history of football. Tory Taylor or the Bears
Speaker 4: did a free kick where you punt it, but he
Speaker 4: did a free onside punt and the Cardinals were completely
Speaker 4: ready for and Tory Taylor nailed this thing.
Speaker 5: He hit it straight up in the air.
Speaker 4: It only went about ten yards forward, and everyone on
Speaker 4: the Cardinals was like, fair catch, fair catch, and they
Speaker 4: caught it and everyone just walked away, and the broadcast
Speaker 4: booth like, who's ever even seen anything like that before?
Speaker 5: You know who?
Speaker 4: Had Apparently the Cardinals special teams in practice at some
Speaker 4: point in the offseason, So good job by Jeff Rodgers
Speaker 4: getting them ready for that moment. It was just a small,
Speaker 4: stupid thing. I it tickled me in the moment. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I've never seen that before. I mean, sometimes you get
Speaker 4: things you never seen before, like Saquon Barkley jumping, you know,
Speaker 4: ass first over someone, and then you get stuff like that.
Speaker 4: This was not as impressive, but it's still pretty cool.
Speaker 7: I feel like I've seen that in the game recently,
Speaker 7: maybe the last couple of weeks. But I might be wrong.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm just like everything's blending together at this point
Speaker 6: in week nine. But good on him for preparing his guys.
Speaker 6: I will say this, naming your kid the middle name
Speaker 6: after a player definitely Trump's Nick Sirianni's award for the
Speaker 6: defensive player who got a takeaway of his parking spot.
Speaker 6: I think the name carries more permanence than a parking
Speaker 6: spot for a week.
Speaker 5: That's fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kaisier White, He's followed him from Philly to Arizona.
Speaker 4: Good on the Cardinals coaching staff. That was the Captain's Quarter,
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Speaker 4: the tougher parts of the week for me, Shook, it's
Speaker 4: my time without you. I gotta wait all the way
Speaker 4: till to next Sunday to get back to Nick at night,
Speaker 4: back to back nights.
Speaker 5: We got to get you in a midweek show one
Speaker 5: of these weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean absolutely, I'm always down, you know, But
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what if I didn't know any better,
Speaker 6: I think he came straight from a sales background with
Speaker 6: the way that you just laid that on thick.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. All Right, we're
Speaker 4: gonna talk a little Dennis Allen and the Saints. What
Speaker 4: is next for this organization? What a crazy situation that
Speaker 4: they are in moving forward? Talking with the Saints Block
Speaker 4: Party Podcast about the Dennis.
Speaker 5: Allen firing after the break.
Speaker 4: Back on NFL Daily, Excited for this conversation. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure how this conversation is gonna go. I'm looking across
Speaker 4: the city of Los Angeles at my friend Adam. I'm
Speaker 4: looking at across the country at my friend Ryan from
Speaker 4: the Saints Block Party podcast. Yes, some of the most
Speaker 4: frequent guests of this season. They were on and after
Speaker 4: Week two when we were talking about Super Bowl aspirations
Speaker 4: for this Saints team. They were on after Sean Payton
Speaker 4: kind of dug about four feet of the grave for
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen. And now we're here after Yes, Dennis Allen
Speaker 4: has been fired by the Saints, and there's no one
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about this transaction with more. Adam,
Speaker 4: you look too happy for another man's downfall. It's like,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it's like Marti Graf for y'all,
Speaker 4: but it's like it's like Lundi Gra.
Speaker 5: It's like the day before.
Speaker 13: He's getting paid seven million dollars a year with a
Speaker 13: twenty six and fifty three head coaching record. I, respectfully,
Speaker 13: I do not care.
Speaker 1: I don't care, Greg, I don't care.
Speaker 5: Okay, when you heard the news.
Speaker 4: Obviously it couldn't have been too shocking coming off of
Speaker 4: that performance against Carolina. What's your like, We've buried Dennis
Speaker 4: Allen enough. That's not fun to do at this point.
Speaker 4: You mentioned his record. Yeah, that's one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: seventh out of one hundred and forty nine qualifying coaches
Speaker 4: in terms of all time winning percentage. Now, most of
Speaker 4: that was with the Raider, but he was eighteen and
Speaker 4: twenty five with the Lions, which is not great.
Speaker 5: We can move past it.
Speaker 4: Look, this is a man who coached up a lot
Speaker 4: of good defenses for the Saints as a coordinator, but
Speaker 4: he's the ultimate Peter principal head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Good coordinator, bad head coach. We get it, big picture.
Speaker 4: They named Darren Rizzy the interim. But I think there
Speaker 4: was a lot of interesting takeaways from how this transaction
Speaker 4: was messaged and some of the reporting that that's come
Speaker 4: out about it. Where do you want to start.
Speaker 13: Let's start with the two biggest things I found so
Speaker 13: interesting is that gil Benson has woken up. For the
Speaker 13: last two weeks, she has essentially not been listening to
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis and what he's been telling her how the
Speaker 13: team's doing, how he's been telling her how Dennis Allen
Speaker 13: is doing as the head coach. And she went out
Speaker 13: and talked to players on the side, talk to personnel
Speaker 13: people on the side to get their thoughts and opinions
Speaker 13: on Dennis Allen. It seems like she is no longer
Speaker 13: listening to I won't say the lies, but maybe the
Speaker 13: fluffing that Mickey Loomis was doing. And she is trying
Speaker 13: to be an active owner because as much as she
Speaker 13: may not be a sports person, no one who has
Speaker 13: a product wants to continually have their product be seen
Speaker 13: and look embarrassing. Losing to the Panthers, one of the
Speaker 13: worst teams in the NFL for the last three seasons,
Speaker 13: was embarrassing, and so she also made the call to
Speaker 13: relieve Dennis Allen off his duties. This was not a
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis call. And the second thing kind of to
Speaker 13: tie into that. The people that addressed the team after
Speaker 13: d was told to the team that Dennis Allen was
Speaker 13: let go was Foster Morrow and Darren Rizzy.
Speaker 1: Why would the.
Speaker 13: NFL general manager, NFL general member of a team not
Speaker 13: address the team when this happened.
Speaker 1: Why would he?
Speaker 13: Why was he not their front, front and center of
Speaker 13: the press conference and Darren Rizzy's out there, He's gonna
Speaker 13: have his spot on WWL. But I don't I'm not
Speaker 13: saying Mickey Luomits is gonna get relieved of his duties.
Speaker 13: But there's something happening within that building on Airline Drive.
Speaker 13: And it's just not the I believe the Dennis Allen
Speaker 13: part of it is just the start of it.
Speaker 12: What do you think, Ryan, He's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 12: It's freshting to see that Gail Benson is alive though,
Speaker 12: because look, she's been the owner for a couple of
Speaker 12: years now, since Tarn Benson passed. Nobody really knew how
Speaker 12: she would move in this situation because she hasn't had
Speaker 12: to really make a him moves. Mickey Loomis has been
Speaker 12: the defacto manager owner of the team. He's the one
Speaker 12: that made all the move. She's been encapsulated with her circle,
Speaker 12: so nobody really knew. You know, we were covering this
Speaker 12: last night, you know, we're wondering what the athenastic gets fired,
Speaker 12: and we thought, look, if he were to get fired
Speaker 12: after this Panthers game, it would have to be a
Speaker 12: Gail Benson call. Would she make that call? And she did.
Speaker 12: She got out there and she talked to the players personally.
Speaker 12: She went around Mickey Numas and I think that just
Speaker 12: speaks It said so much just right there. It just
Speaker 12: shows that there's a level of trust that's decreasing just
Speaker 12: a little bit, not a lot, but just a little bit.
Speaker 12: It would as far as running the organization, because Dennis
Speaker 12: Alum was his guy.
Speaker 4: Right, So let's back it up for a second. Mickey
Speaker 4: Loomis has been with the Saints organization since two thousand,
Speaker 4: so he proceeds when he John Payton, he proceedes GAYL.
Speaker 5: Benson.
Speaker 4: Now you mentioned Gail Benson's only been the owner of
Speaker 4: the team for so many years. I think Tom Benson
Speaker 4: died in twenty eighteen. I was actually weirdly on NFL
Speaker 4: Network on call all that week to talk about Tom
Speaker 4: Benson's legacy. I read the book Jeff Duncan wrote about
Speaker 4: Tom Benson just to.
Speaker 5: Be ready for that moment.
Speaker 4: So weird because they just knew I was a safe
Speaker 4: guy and they didn't have anyone.
Speaker 5: Very weird.
Speaker 4: So she's on the team for six years, and look
Speaker 4: they they were married since two thousand and four, so
Speaker 4: she's been You could say she's doesn't have a sports background,
Speaker 4: but she's been in this game for a while.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: We don't need to get into the whole story of
Speaker 4: how she became the owner. There were lawsuits between her
Speaker 4: side and the and Tom Benton and his daughter from
Speaker 4: a previous marriage and her kids, and ultimately in his
Speaker 4: will the team was left to her.
Speaker 5: So she is the active owner.
Speaker 4: And to me, this is her first real test as
Speaker 4: the active owner, because when Sean Payton essentially quit, the
Speaker 4: idea was, let's just keep it rolling. Let's keep it
Speaker 4: rolling with Mickey Loomis, Let's not upset the apple cart.
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen as a good defense. Let's just keep it going.
Speaker 4: And everyone decided to do that. And now the question,
Speaker 4: as you guys said, was was she actually going to
Speaker 4: make a move on her own? And I want to
Speaker 4: read the statement that Mickey Loomis really least on Monday,
Speaker 4: his statement read, Dennis Allen is an excellent football coach.
Speaker 4: This season, we have had an avalanche of injuries. It
Speaker 4: took its toll. Dennis Allen never offered excuses. He fought
Speaker 4: each day for his organization and this team, and that's
Speaker 4: what makes today disappointing. Dennis has been an integral part
Speaker 4: of this organization's success for the better part of twenty years.
Speaker 5: He will be missed.
Speaker 4: I never heard a GM release a statement like that
Speaker 4: that felt like he was upset. And when you're saying
Speaker 4: that she contacted the players directly, there's been various reporting.
Speaker 4: Nick Underhill at New Orleans Football As reported that it's
Speaker 4: been out there in different places, New Orleans Times, Picky
Speaker 4: Youn different versions of this story that yes, the players
Speaker 4: were involved, and that's crazy, and that tells me that
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis is probably not long for this job. But
Speaker 4: every Saints fan Adam tells me I'm wrong. Every Saints
Speaker 4: Fan's like, Nope, they're never gonna get rid of Nicky.
Speaker 4: Lomis is never gonna happen. And I think when an
Speaker 4: owner does a move like this, it's a sign that
Speaker 4: she's open to anything.
Speaker 1: Going on with that.
Speaker 13: I've heard not only was Gail Benson canvassing information for
Speaker 13: players on Dennis Allen, I also heard that she was
Speaker 13: canvassing information on Mickey Loomis from players, from personnel. And
Speaker 13: when you're doing that, I'm not saying it's gonna lead
Speaker 13: to something, but the structure, the crumbles and the fractures
Speaker 13: of trust is definitely there. I kind of felt like
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis, to use a Game of Thrones reference, Mickey
Speaker 13: Loomis was like little Finger to Gail Benson. He goes
Speaker 13: just lies, job preservation, job preservation, and at some point
Speaker 13: Sanza comes to her senses and just like no, sorry,
Speaker 13: just completely just nerdy Game of Throne talk, but came
Speaker 13: to her senses like no, you are not. I don't
Speaker 13: want to hear it from you because I know you're
Speaker 13: lying to me. It feels like that's in motion right
Speaker 13: now within the team hierarchy. And going back to that
Speaker 13: statement you just read like I was confused, was like
Speaker 13: Dennis Allen fired or was he promoted?
Speaker 1: Like it's such a weird statement.
Speaker 12: What it was almost a defiant statement, you know, Yes,
Speaker 12: the way it was read.
Speaker 4: It was and this is a defiant guy. It's a
Speaker 4: defiant organization. Look, they stood behind Mickey and Sean Payton
Speaker 4: through Bountygate like as hard as it as they possibly could.
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton. Look, he was the best
Speaker 4: man at his wedding and Sean Payton goes. They stood
Speaker 4: behind Mickey Loomis. This is a man that helped run
Speaker 4: the New Orleans Pelicans does on some levels still, but
Speaker 4: you know, was on a more day to day level.
Speaker 4: So it's a very fascinating organization to me in terms
Speaker 4: of how it's running. But it was absolutely defiant and
Speaker 4: this is a guy Mickey Loomis. For what it's worth,
Speaker 4: we want to talk GM records forty six and sixty
Speaker 4: one without Sean pay at coach. And one of the
Speaker 4: reasons I bring all this up, and maybe this is
Speaker 4: getting too nerdy for our listeners, but I think it's
Speaker 4: really interesting is there is no way for this organization
Speaker 4: to move forward to me unless it's a total restart,
Speaker 4: because the way they've done things in terms of pushing
Speaker 4: all that cap money into the future, and Derek Carr
Speaker 4: has a lot of money next year, and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of contracts in our next year, and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of old players on this roster. I think it
Speaker 4: only makes sense to start over with a fresh front
Speaker 4: office and a fresh restart and a group that's gonna
Speaker 4: be willing to maybe feel some short term pain. It
Speaker 4: might be a year or two it might not be
Speaker 4: like like some of the teams with huge dead cap
Speaker 4: money have been very successful, including the Broncos, like right now,
Speaker 4: But a team that's really willing to rip the band
Speaker 4: aid off and to me, keeping the same guy that's
Speaker 4: run the team Ryans in two thousand, how could that
Speaker 4: be a fresh start exactly?
Speaker 12: I mean you got to make a move like will
Speaker 12: he get fired or will he move into like another
Speaker 12: position within the organization. I don't care, I don't care
Speaker 12: how do they do it, but something needs to happen.
Speaker 12: There needs to be a large organizational change. They need
Speaker 12: to rip the band aid off. The cap nerves have
Speaker 12: been screaming about it for years. The Saints keep like,
Speaker 12: keep kicking a hand down the road, and I hate
Speaker 12: that analysis. But to be in a situation like this
Speaker 12: where we're picking top five looking like we're gonna pick
Speaker 12: top five in the draft, and you seventy five million
Speaker 12: over the camp next hit that is.
Speaker 1: That is just that's this terrible business, Like that's right.
Speaker 5: They've been spending into the bend.
Speaker 4: To Dale Benson's credit, they've been spending more money in
Speaker 4: the last five six years in terms of cash than
Speaker 4: than they actually used to back under Tom Benson. It
Speaker 4: it's quite a history because when you think about it,
Speaker 4: like Sean Payton helped get Mickey Loomis fired, they could
Speaker 4: really write this is like some Tello novella stuff. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's all, it's all, it's all
Speaker 4: mixed up, and look everyone's got a little egg on
Speaker 4: their face. I went back and listened to that Week
Speaker 4: two show just for fun this afternoon, because I gotta
Speaker 4: admit I was looking for a SoundBite where I could
Speaker 4: clown y'all and play something funny or myself.
Speaker 1: We stand by it, you know what.
Speaker 5: It was more composed than I thought.
Speaker 4: You guys went way harder on your podcast on Saint's
Speaker 4: Black Party than on mine. That was where Ryan really
Speaker 4: hit it when you guys talking about Kendre Miller. Kendre
Speaker 4: Miller bay But when Adam asked, are you guys are
Speaker 4: we super Bowl contenders or not? And Ryan answered, well,
Speaker 4: Kendre Miller comes back healthy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, did you say there was the best no
Speaker 5: line in the league.
Speaker 4: It just as a reminder how seasons can change fast.
Speaker 4: Because they were two and ou scoring all these points,
Speaker 4: we thought it was maybe gonna be a Derek Carr
Speaker 4: Renaissance instead. Derek Carr and his coach have a interesting
Speaker 4: statistical factoid that Danna Sound's the only coach to ever
Speaker 4: be fired in two places with the same quarterback. And
Speaker 4: before the show, we were talking about, oh, the Saints
Speaker 4: should get arch Manning in a few years, which would
Speaker 4: be interesting. And I don't know if you know this fact, Adam.
Speaker 4: Derek Carr this last weekend tied Archie Manning for losing
Speaker 4: to the most organizations in the NFL thirty So I
Speaker 4: don't know who's the thirty second. I'll have to find
Speaker 4: out the Raiders. Okay, the cars, Yeah, the cars. Could
Speaker 4: you know he could break that record at some point,
Speaker 4: But I don't know if y'all can wait around long
Speaker 4: enough to get arch Manning.
Speaker 5: That's a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a while. It's a while.
Speaker 13: And I will say this from what I heard this
Speaker 13: morning after all everything happened, the Saints have their eyes
Speaker 13: set on either Detroit coordinator, which is funny because Aaron
Speaker 13: Glenn interviewed for the job when Sean Payton stepped down
Speaker 13: and was I was told like he blew the Saints
Speaker 13: organization away for how like how well he interviewed sounds
Speaker 13: very kind of coded. I think they interviewed him as
Speaker 13: like a Rooney, like a Rooney check mark, and like
Speaker 13: was like, oh, like he actually might be a good
Speaker 13: head coach. So they're interested in Ben Johnson, They're interested
Speaker 13: in Aaron Glenn, They're interested in Mike Drabil, They're gonna
Speaker 13: see how it goes with Darren Rizzy as interim head coach.
Speaker 13: Just as a fan, I'm just happy to hear those names.
Speaker 13: Does that mean that they're gonna land any of those
Speaker 13: any of those names? Who knows, But it just needs
Speaker 13: to shift away from you. Gotta let the past be
Speaker 13: the past, and you have to evolve, You have to
Speaker 13: move on, and this is the first step into that.
Speaker 13: But like we keep you keep saying, if Mickey Loomis
Speaker 13: is part of it, it's hard to kind of let
Speaker 13: go of the past when he's such a prevalent part
Speaker 13: of the past.
Speaker 12: Exactly because, I mean, one of the big reasons the
Speaker 12: Saints have such a bad sailory cap issue in the
Speaker 12: Saints artist talented as they were, is a draft, and
Speaker 12: a drafting has been horrible the past couple of years.
Speaker 12: Second round pick Brian Baz who looks good, but you know,
Speaker 12: isn't maybe hasn't lived up, you know, oh my god,
Speaker 12: I mean you can go on on and on for days.
Speaker 12: They have to take a look at what they're doing,
Speaker 12: the way they're building this team and really start back
Speaker 12: fresh at the table and continue to build up, you know,
Speaker 12: from that, you know from the foundation, because right now
Speaker 12: the foundation is just crumbling.
Speaker 5: It's tough.
Speaker 4: They're in as tough a situation as as any team
Speaker 4: outside of Cleveland, I would say, right now in the NFL.
Speaker 5: But they're there.
Speaker 4: But things can they can change fast, like we have
Speaker 4: we have seen in the NFL. If you get the
Speaker 4: right coach, certainly the right quarterback, you can be rolling
Speaker 4: in year two. So it doesn't have to be some
Speaker 4: really long rebuild. But yeah, that Derek Carr doing that
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson move in the end zone when we were
Speaker 4: in the crowd in Dallas, that feels like a long
Speaker 4: time ago.
Speaker 12: Dennis out after the game dropping some Kindrick Lamar lyrics like.
Speaker 1: Since the.
Speaker 4: Speaking of which Darren Rizzy has got a coach eight
Speaker 4: games here, our friend Randy Chavez cut some soundbites from
Speaker 4: Darren Rizzy. He was their special teams coach. I love
Speaker 4: the sound of him at his press conference. Let's let's
Speaker 4: listen to a couple answers that he had.
Speaker 11: They should be pissed off. I'm pissed off. The fans
Speaker 11: should be pissed off. The people in New Orleans, the
Speaker 11: people Louisiana. No one should be happy. And I think
Speaker 11: this city deserves a winner. They know what winning football
Speaker 11: looks like, and you know it's our job to bring
Speaker 11: that back. You know, there's there's a bunch of different
Speaker 11: ways to do it. I think we've been doing uh
Speaker 11: things around here the same way for a long long
Speaker 11: time and and maybe some are good. Maybe some are
Speaker 11: and we can make some changes, so but there'll be
Speaker 11: some different things that we do.
Speaker 5: For sure, we've been doing things the same for a
Speaker 5: long long time.
Speaker 1: That that was good.
Speaker 5: This could be fun.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember the Joe Bitt era,
Speaker 4: but he's given me some no vibes.
Speaker 5: I love. I love a fiery.
Speaker 4: Special Teams interim head coach, like with Dan Campbell was
Speaker 4: the interim head coach in Miami. Like he's got to
Speaker 4: give you guys some fun and you got the Falcons
Speaker 4: coming up.
Speaker 5: Ryan, This was like your super Bowl.
Speaker 13: The Raider, the Raiders special teams coach for a little bit.
Speaker 1: He got, yeah, yeah, I've been calling.
Speaker 12: I've been calling, which my interim coach he's now because
Speaker 12: I knew this day was coming, and he just definitely
Speaker 12: just like it's that he coach, just getting the team
Speaker 12: hyped up for two games, go and win to and
Speaker 12: then lose the rest. You know what I'm saying, Like that,
Speaker 12: that's that's fine with me. Let's not win too much here,
Speaker 12: you know, let's not win too much here, you know,
Speaker 12: maybe get a top five pick. I know, I know,
Speaker 12: like I hate I hate that type of thinking, like,
Speaker 12: you know, just losing to get picks. But look, man,
Speaker 12: this is where we are, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But you want to win Sunday, right, this is got
Speaker 4: to be a supper ball. It's not the Patriots Jets
Speaker 4: game two weeks ago. That was the Patriots super Bowl.
Speaker 4: They just wanted to drag down their rivals into the
Speaker 4: mud with them. Tell me it wouldn't be fun. I know,
Speaker 4: our friend Spice, Rack, Brad Spicer's out here with the
Speaker 4: fired coach principal. He's going to be believing in your
Speaker 4: Saints they're going to be playing hard. When I saw
Speaker 4: some of those quotes from from Honey Badger and and
Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 12: Already players are already having Rizzy shirts. They have Rizzy shirts.
Speaker 4: Carol Granderson's putting up Instagram posts of walking into I mean,
Speaker 4: I almost I feel bad for Dennis Allen at this point.
Speaker 13: Please don't, please don't. And here's the here's the crazy
Speaker 13: part of it. Yes, we want to beat the Falcons,
Speaker 13: and that's and that is huge. You know, this is
Speaker 13: quote unquote our super Bowl. But I want to like
Speaker 13: point out to another little thing in the Devin Rizzy thing.
Speaker 13: And I don't I don't feel like I'm reading too
Speaker 13: much into it. When he was asked, you know, the
Speaker 13: teams have two young quarterbacks on the roster, could they
Speaker 13: could they see them, like getting looks at them for
Speaker 13: evaluation for the future, and he said, like, you know,
Speaker 13: I envisioned Derek Derek Carr being the starter for us
Speaker 13: on Sunday. He did not, He did not go further
Speaker 13: than that, like it was on Sunday. So I do
Speaker 13: think if if the season continues to go how it
Speaker 13: has been, maybe they beat the Falcons, maybe they lose.
Speaker 13: You know, you know, a cloud or a cluster of games.
Speaker 13: At some point you have to see what you have
Speaker 13: in Rattler in a better situation, with Hanger in a
Speaker 13: better situation, because you're gonna be comparing these guys and
Speaker 13: you're gonna compare them in grading them. How of this
Speaker 13: upcoming quarterback class, the cam Wards, the Sanders, the quinn yours,
Speaker 13: Because you have to know, do we need to draft
Speaker 13: one in the top five or do we feel like
Speaker 13: we can go BPA and maybe we could go with
Speaker 13: what we have in the building. It's a crucial question
Speaker 13: that they have to know going into the offseason.
Speaker 4: Man, I I don't feel like they're gonna get a
Speaker 4: good situation for them to play with, and I don't
Speaker 4: think either's the quarterbacks really have a chance talent wise,
Speaker 4: makeup wise to be able to excel in the situation
Speaker 4: to change any of the draft plans. Doesn't doesn't mean
Speaker 4: they can't they can't be in the mix next year,
Speaker 4: and you never know. But I have a hard time
Speaker 4: believing no matter what Spencer Ratler does this season that
Speaker 4: it's gonna impact their draft status.
Speaker 5: But you never know.
Speaker 4: They Sometimes things get freaky with interim head coaches sometimes
Speaker 4: they get them winning.
Speaker 5: Maybe it'll be fun.
Speaker 4: Let's actually listen to one more Darren Rizzy sound before
Speaker 4: we go this This one Randy Flagg didn't It just
Speaker 4: cracked me out.
Speaker 7: Lebron can drop six dy, j R.
Speaker 11: Smith can go two for twenty one like you normally did,
Speaker 11: and Lebron could Lebron could you know there's they're still
Speaker 11: gonna win.
Speaker 1: I heard that earlier and I was I was like,
Speaker 1: j R. Smith getting just just shots.
Speaker 4: For what I think he was saying, like the stars
Speaker 4: can play well and but if your if your role
Speaker 4: players aren't playing well, then it's not gonna matter. But
Speaker 4: he sort of stumbled on it. You was talking about
Speaker 4: Aaron Judge. But that's what I like about interim coaches.
Speaker 5: You never know what they're gonna say.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be ida trained, appreciate you guys. It really
Speaker 4: feels like this was our our Star Wars trilogy of
Speaker 4: the Saints. Maybe god maybe it's the Godfather trilogy because
Speaker 4: the third one it's just like it's not going right.
Speaker 4: But uhh yeah, we got the highs, we got, we
Speaker 4: got an emotional loss to the Sean Payton and here
Speaker 4: we are with big changes.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys think you're having us all in man.
Speaker 4: That's that's Ryan and Adam from the Saints Block Party podcast.
Speaker 4: Everyone check out their show. That's it for this one.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be back very soon. It's trade deadline if
Speaker 4: we're gonna put up the show a little earlier. Me
Speaker 4: and Mike Arrifolo, Jordan Rodrigue responding to all the trade
Speaker 4: deadline So those will come up on Tuesday. And yeah,
Speaker 4: when when the Saints are making big old changes, you
Speaker 4: know football is back