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Speaker 2: It's a lock off touchdown by Kareem Hunt, and the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs stay undefeated at eight and zero, the

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Speaker 2: only unbeaten team in the National Football League. Fourteen straight

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Speaker 3: That was Mitch Holtis of w DAF at Chiefs are inevitable,

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Speaker 4: Kareem Hunt, he's inevitable. Patrick Mahomes he's indestructible. He can't

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Speaker 4: get injured. And the Chiefs in overtime. You lose that toss,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna lose. Chiefs stay undefeated. I'm Greg Rosenthal. This

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Speaker 4: is NFL Daily and Nick Shook fresh off writing up

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Speaker 4: the what we learned on NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 5: What did you learn?

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Speaker 4: Nick?

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Speaker 6: I learned what I already knew about the Chiefs offense,

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Speaker 6: which that's a slow, methodical, grinded out offense. It's gonna

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Speaker 6: papercut you to death. But what I really learned is

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Speaker 6: in the biggest moments.

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Speaker 7: We saw that tonight.

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Speaker 6: As soon as they won the toss and overtime, you

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Speaker 6: had a feeling it was gonna look a lot like

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Speaker 7: That's exactly what it ended up looking like.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and the overtime drive of the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 4: the overtime drive that haunts our producer Eric's nightmares against

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Speaker 4: the Bills, and all the overtime drives as long as

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Speaker 4: they're on offense, Chiefs fans don't like to be reminded

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Speaker 4: of that twenty eighteen NFC Championship overtime. Sorry, I thought

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Speaker 4: the ball control was really interesting tonight. And yes, this

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Speaker 4: some new things like DeAndre Hopkins was such a big deal.

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Speaker 4: But they had the ball for eighty three plays on

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Speaker 4: Monday night the Bucks fifty two. The Chiefs had twenty

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Speaker 4: But what I think is different and interesting about this

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Speaker 4: started by running the ball. They were down seventeen to

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Speaker 4: come back at some point in the game in seven

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Speaker 4: the second quarter, it's the third quarter, and they actually

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Speaker 4: come back by running the ball. They didn't run the

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Speaker 4: the Bucks pass rushers I thought did really well and

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Speaker 5: The Chiefs get it done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was interesting that Bulls approach shifted, and I

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Speaker 6: You know, the Chiefs only put ten points on the board,

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Speaker 4: How anyone else wins football games. Twelve out of eighteen

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Speaker 7: What's the difference.

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Speaker 6: The difference Mahomes is the guy is operating this offense,

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Speaker 4: interesting that overtime drive just felt so inevitable. These short

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Speaker 5: So this is who they are.

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Speaker 4: He was perfect for tonight. He beat He's his own

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Speaker 4: They've been a bad red zone team all year, Nick,

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Speaker 9: What the Chase Kingdom in Zone in the Chase League

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Speaker 4: The sweet nector of the episode. We're finally here, We're.

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Speaker 1: Back, you know.

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Speaker 6: And the defender's name is Josh Hazen there and you

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Speaker 6: Like you said, zone beater, find the soft spots in coverage.

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Speaker 6: I just can't see a way which you stop them.

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Speaker 4: What a trade and watching the DeAndre Hopkins in a

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Speaker 4: the Titans, you know, as irrelevant as it gets, and

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Speaker 4: but you know, the offense, it's getting better, but it's opportunistic.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if this even makes sense.

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Speaker 4: They're no longer like the two thousand, you know, seven

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Speaker 5: But however, you're gonna win.

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Speaker 4: I really think Hopkins has some intangible qualities here that

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Speaker 4: about Todd Bowles. Were you annoyed by Todd Bowles not

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Speaker 4: going for two? They scored the game time touchdown, And yes, Bucks,

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Speaker 4: we're going to fans, the ones that are out there

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Speaker 4: like we're gonna give you some flowers. They're showing up

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Speaker 4: every every week just about this season. Given great effort,

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Speaker 4: they could have won this game. They get the touchdown

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Speaker 4: Did you think he should have gone for two? Did

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Speaker 6: And this is the second time that we've spent a

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Speaker 6: a good call. You have momentum in your favor, you're

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Speaker 6: in Arrowhead, you're on primetime. It's wet, go for the win, Todd,

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Speaker 6: And I think that I hate to say this because

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Speaker 6: But as it stands right now, when I think about

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Speaker 6: And this one, you know, you have to give him

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: And how about the Thursday night game against the Falcons.

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Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't necessarily coaching decisions other than just

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Speaker 4: Todd Bowles is not winning on those margins, and the

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Speaker 5: Let's listen, we.

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Speaker 7: Want to get it to overtime. With the white conditions

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Speaker 7: our shots. You know, we lost the game the day

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Speaker 7: advice you have to go for two, what was no?

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Speaker 7: We went for one. We took our shots, We had

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Speaker 6: It never comes down to one play, but you had

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that whole sequence was both impressive and frustrating.

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Speaker 4: First of all, half that drive was just Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 4: I've been critical at times of Baker this year. I

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Speaker 4: I thought he out coached Spagnolo. Yeah, it's crazy because

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Speaker 4: the Bucks got way more quarterback hits. They sacked Mahomes

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Speaker 4: They were just dying a slower death. But they did

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Speaker 4: a really good job of coaching. And I think Bowles

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Speaker 5: Go look at the DVA.

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Speaker 4: Sign up for the FDN subscription over there at FTN Fantasy.

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Speaker 4: The DVA tells you they're the twenty seven defense in

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: They look pretty good the last two weeks. They just

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Speaker 4: now than the Bucks. They weren't perfect tonight, but they

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Speaker 5: It's thirty seconds left.

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Speaker 4: You're in that in between where you don't want to

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Speaker 4: And they punt the ball away second half, they they

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Speaker 5: They're at their own thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: I know that's hard for Todd Bowles to like wrap

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Speaker 4: You're probably not gonna stop him anyways, go get the

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Speaker 5: I promise you can do it.

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Speaker 4: And then at the end of the game I understood

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Speaker 4: never going to go for two there. Ryan Fitzpatrick tweeted

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Speaker 4: to that point, there was like, there's no way Todd

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's my concern with them going forward to

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Speaker 6: five seconds left, because this Chief's offense, while it's Patrick

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Speaker 6: Mahome still back there, have not shown the explosive verticality

437
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Speaker 6: of previous years. And yes they had three timeouts, but

438
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Speaker 6: it was a wet night and essentially what you end

439
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Speaker 6: up doing is forcing them into a position where they

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Speaker 6: have to try to get within Harrison Bucker's range on

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Speaker 6: a wet night, like the field goal is not guaranteed,

442
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Speaker 6: no matter how good of a kicker he is, so

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Speaker 6: take the chance, go for the win instead of leaving

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Speaker 6: it up to a coin flip flipping in overtime, which

445
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Speaker 6: obviously they ultimately lost.

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Speaker 4: The two worst drives of the night by the Chiefs

447
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Speaker 4: were the last two in regulation, where they get Breing

448
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Speaker 4: out twice, once to give the Bucks a ball back,

449
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Speaker 4: and once again Baker played well, got that excellent touchdown

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Speaker 4: drive and then they get it back with twenty seven

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Speaker 4: seconds left. And man, first of all, the Bucks did

452
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Speaker 4: the thing where they just kicked it and gave them

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Speaker 4: ball at the thirty. I'm annoyed by that each and

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Speaker 4: every week. But Mahomes almost threw the ball away there

455
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Speaker 4: a couple times. One time into one. Will Winfield almost

456
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Speaker 4: made a great play on the ball, could have intercepted it,

457
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Speaker 4: and the Chiefs undefeated season would be over. But it's

458
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Speaker 4: not over, partly because Patrick Mahomes is doing crazy things

459
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Speaker 4: like creating space as he does, drawing defenders up to

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Speaker 4: come after him in the red zone, and then throwing

461
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Speaker 4: a touchdown to some i JP run on a play

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Speaker 4: that he got injured. Let's listen to the call and

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Speaker 4: then we're gonna listen to Patrick Mahomes talking about the injury.

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Speaker 2: Right after that, Hopkins goes your motion left or right,

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Speaker 2: tight wing right side Mahomes on.

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Speaker 5: Third down and goal to go.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll scramb up on to the right side.

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Speaker 2: Now a Flipford light, Bennett's cart touchdown.

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Speaker 9: Kansas City and Mahomes is down. Mahomes is down on

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Speaker 9: all fours as he flipped the ball for to samajp

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Speaker 9: Ryn for a touchdown Kansas City, but at what price.

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Speaker 10: I was obviously running for the goal on was about

473
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Speaker 10: kind of committed to running the football and at the

474
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Speaker 10: last second saw samaj and so kind of awkwardly rolled

475
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Speaker 10: ankle a little bit. Definitely scary. I think it hurt

476
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Speaker 10: more just because its the same ankle I roll last

477
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Speaker 10: week me a little bit. But once I kind of

478
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Speaker 10: took my breath and kind of calmed down a little bit,

479
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Speaker 10: end up being not too bad and we're able to

480
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Speaker 10: go in there, kind of get the respat and go

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Speaker 10: back on the football film.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Eric H.

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Speaker 4: Roberts buying the glass having a great week after this

484
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Speaker 4: Dodgers championship. I mean that we didn't plan that ahead,

485
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Speaker 4: that you're going to do those two in a row.

486
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Speaker 4: He gets the injury talk during the show that that

487
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Speaker 4: was like that was like him being Mahomes flipping the

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Speaker 4: ball at the last second to Sam a JP Ryan.

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Speaker 5: So thank you for that, Eric, good.

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Speaker 4: Job, And yeah, I guess Mahomes he's just he's indestructible.

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Speaker 6: Nick, Yeah, you know, it's it just takes me back

492
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Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl a couple years ago when he's

493
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Speaker 6: got this bad ankle. Everybody's worried about his ankle, and

494
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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, he takes off for a

495
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Speaker 6: long run. You know that how we know how that

496
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Speaker 6: game ends, you know, the holding call in the field goal

497
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Speaker 6: and everything else. It's just like, this guy can be hobbled,

498
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Speaker 6: and he can have foot issues going into games. He

499
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Speaker 6: can have ankle in issues going into games. And that's

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Speaker 6: you know, you roll the inside of the ankle. It

501
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Speaker 6: kind of freaks you out because it's an unnatural movement.

502
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Speaker 6: And yet he just bounces right back and lead. There

503
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Speaker 6: was a sequence in the next drive where he scrambles

504
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Speaker 6: forward and I'm like, oh God, he's gonna run on

505
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Speaker 6: that ankle, and then he immediately finds Travis Kelcey for

506
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Speaker 6: a first down. And I'm just like, man, this guy.

507
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Speaker 6: Whether he's an indestructible or superhuman, I don't know, but

508
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Speaker 6: I would hate to be coaching defense against him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's playing better, and it's okay to say

510
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Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes can play better. These guys aren't just robots.

511
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Speaker 4: Hall of famers, the best of all time. Tom Brady

512
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Speaker 4: has good games, bad games. There's ups and downs within

513
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Speaker 4: all of his seasons and throughout his career. The last

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Speaker 4: two weeks leading into this game I thought were probably

515
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Speaker 4: the best two games of his season, maybe Week one

516
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Speaker 4: against the Ravens, and then this was another excellent game

517
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Speaker 4: by him too. So I think Mahomes was playing at

518
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Speaker 4: a lower level even if he shouldn't have been. I'm

519
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Speaker 4: not saying he should have been ranked that low on

520
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Speaker 4: QB Index, but I do think he's playing better now

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Speaker 4: and that's great news for Chiefs fans, as if they

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Speaker 4: need more. All right, let's take a quick break. We're

523
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Speaker 4: gonna do some news. Oh yeah, Denis Salad got fired today.

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Speaker 4: Forgot to mention that we're going to talk to the

525
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Speaker 4: Saints block party guys about the Dennis Allen firing later

526
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Speaker 4: in the show. But we got a lot of news

527
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Speaker 4: and our players of the week to get to before that.

528
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Speaker 4: Back in a second, back on NFL Daily. And yeah,

529
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Speaker 4: the Saints changing head coaches in the middle of the

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Speaker 4: season for the first time since Joevitt was the interim

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Speaker 4: head coach. That was the biggest news item on Monday,

532
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Speaker 4: but it wasn't the only coaching change. We'll just put

533
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Speaker 4: a pin in the Saints for a minute. We'll get

534
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Speaker 4: to them at the end of the show. But for now,

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Speaker 4: let's do some news, all right, So right after we

536
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Speaker 4: stopped taping on Sunday night, he made some coaching changes.

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Speaker 5: This feels so long ago at this point too.

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Speaker 4: It's funny these items, Nick that if this happened in

539
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Speaker 4: the offseason, it would we'd get three days out of this.

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Speaker 5: It would be the biggest thing to happen all week.

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Speaker 4: And now it's like, oh, yeah, the Raiders fired their

542
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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator after half a season, like a first year guy.

543
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Speaker 4: They also fired their offensive line coach and another assistant,

544
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Speaker 4: Luke Getzi, is out with the Raiders. They have not

545
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Speaker 4: announced who their new offensive coordinator is. They're in a

546
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Speaker 4: bye week right now. Scott Turner, the former Panthers and

547
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Speaker 4: Washington coordinator and assistant, is on staff there and is

548
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Speaker 4: believed to be a strong candidate. And I've always thought

549
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Speaker 4: is maybe better than the consensus opinion of him, which

550
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Speaker 4: would mean that he's okay, because I think a lot

551
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Speaker 4: of people haven't been a huge fan of him.

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Speaker 5: He would make sense to me.

553
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Speaker 4: But man, I thought, this is a bad sign for

554
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Speaker 4: Antonio Pierce and his tenure that he's already having to

555
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Speaker 4: make changes, Whether these are the changes he wanted to

556
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Speaker 4: or whether they're you know, from above, they're making him

557
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Speaker 4: make the changes and get rid of Getsie this early.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in your first year, you're already firing

559
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Speaker 6: your Coordinator's not good. But then again, visually, the Raiders

560
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 6: haven't been a good football team. And Antonio Pierce we

561
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Speaker 6: talked about on the show last night, he's grasped at

562
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Speaker 6: straws at this point.

563
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Speaker 7: A quarterback.

564
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Speaker 6: He's bench garter Minshew multiple times, he lost an O'Connell

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Speaker 6: to injury.

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Speaker 7: He puts Desen Ritterer in there. It doesn't get any better.

567
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Speaker 6: So the next thing you do down the list is

568
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Speaker 6: all right, well, let's fire our offensive coordinator. It did

569
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Speaker 6: make me think once the news came down, is Luke

570
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Speaker 6: Getzi gonna get another OC job in the NFL because

571
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Speaker 6: now he's lost two within this calendar year.

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Speaker 7: I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the results are there, but you got

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Speaker 6: to do something when you ranked twenty ninth and total

575
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Speaker 6: offense thirty second, and rushing and nineteenth and passing. Your

576
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Speaker 6: best stat is passing, and you've changed quarterbacks like four times.

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Speaker 6: So things are not good for the Raiders. They're headed

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Speaker 6: toward a dark place right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the worst rushing games of the last

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Speaker 4: twenty years.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the main reason.

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Speaker 4: Why they were so pass heavy on Sunday against the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: although they kind of moved the ball and were relative

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Speaker 4: effective for a decent part of the game.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

586
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Speaker 4: I don't know what anyone in Las Vegas was expecting.

587
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Speaker 4: They have underperformed, But considering they don't have Davante Adams

588
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Speaker 4: and they've had some injuries, like, I don't think they're

589
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Speaker 4: underperforming by that much. This this offense was was never

590
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Speaker 4: gonna be good. And yet it makes you worried about

591
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Speaker 4: Antonio Pierce this year because that could be something where

592
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Speaker 4: ownership is already getting involved and frustrated and then the

593
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Speaker 4: change happens right off the bat.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, a lot of.

595
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Speaker 4: The kind of the I don't know. The national teams

596
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: are struggling right now. The Raiders are struggling, The Giants

597
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: certainly are struggling. The Cowboys season feels feels over. Dak

598
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Speaker 4: Prescott is gonna miss multiple weeks. According to our insider

599
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Speaker 4: Ian Rappaport, injured reserve is possible because of his hamstring injury.

600
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Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb has a springed ac joint. He has a

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Speaker 4: chance to play this week. He's weak to week, which

602
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Speaker 4: again Michael Parsons is as well. But yeah, Gooper Rush

603
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Speaker 4: starting against the Eagles this week. It was already over,

604
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Speaker 4: but this is like a next level of over where

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Speaker 4: they're thinking, Wow, I wonder how high our draft pick is.

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Speaker 6: Going to be.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, rivalry or not. That's gonna be a ugly game

608
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Speaker 7: for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: And this is a team that's just been crushed by

610
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Speaker 6: injuries on both sides of the ball. But they also

611
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Speaker 6: were pretty talent port receiver to begin with. And when

612
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Speaker 6: you lean that heavily on ceed Lamb and then you

613
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Speaker 6: lose him, and Dak Prescott actually had a decent game

614
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Speaker 6: before he exited with an injury. It just kind of

615
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Speaker 6: it just captures where they are as a team this year,

616
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Speaker 6: which is just low ceiling, not gonna be that good.

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Speaker 6: I don't care how good of a coaching job Mike

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Speaker 6: McCarthy might even do. They just don't have the tools necessary,

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Speaker 6: and now you lose your quarterback. It's not gonna get

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Speaker 6: any better anytime soon.

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Speaker 4: No, Vac Martin isn't playing that well at guard like

622
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Speaker 4: the offensive line in that game, even against the Falcons.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And you know, for once, I actually thought there's actually

625
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Speaker 4: some open receivers there there for Dak We were playing

626
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Speaker 4: the Falcons, so I guess that happens. But man, that

627
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Speaker 4: it is brutal because they're in a lot of TV

628
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Speaker 4: spots that we need to take them out of because

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Speaker 4: I do not need to watch this Cowboys.

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Speaker 7: Team in flex going. Let's start flexing please.

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Speaker 5: Uh More on that in a minute. There were there

632
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Speaker 5: was one trade.

633
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Speaker 4: At least we're going to do the trade deadline spectacular

634
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Speaker 4: on Tuesday, but there was a trade that Broncos traded

635
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Speaker 4: Baron Browning to the Cardinals for a sixth round pick.

636
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Speaker 4: They also signed another pass rusher. The Broncos did Jonathan

637
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Speaker 4: Cooper to a long term extension four years, sixty million,

638
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Speaker 4: so that that room was really crowded for the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: Baron Browning is going to be a free agent in

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Speaker 4: the offseason. It's almost like they kind of are choosing,

641
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Speaker 4: We've got like four guys here. Browning maybe doesn't fit

642
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: our scheme. Cardinals send them a late pick. They could

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Speaker 4: certainly use some pass rush help and Browning's a talented

644
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Speaker 4: player who's been up and down, I would say, in

645
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Speaker 4: his career, but he jumps off the tape when he's good.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a highlight a couple of years ago.

647
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Speaker 6: But I think that illustrates the the differences in regime

648
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Speaker 6: changes when you lose the coach that maybe elevated you previously,

649
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Speaker 6: and suddenly a new regimes in there, and you're not

650
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Speaker 6: that guy anymore. You're not their guy anymore, and they

651
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Speaker 6: got to make choices like that. All that tends to happen.

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Speaker 6: You ship him out for a Day three pick that

653
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 6: doesn't really amount to much, at least on the surface,

654
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 6: and decide to go with the guy you prefer, which

655
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 6: that's business in the NFL, playing simple.

656
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: I also like it's interesting because it kind of shows

657
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: where the Broncos are, not that Browning wasn't that important

658
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 4: of a player for them. He's coming off an injury,

659
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: but just they're sort of in between where they're willing

660
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: to probably be buyers and sellers, like if something comes along,

661
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: they're just fine tuning their team third year. If Sean

662
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: Payton is kind of their go year, that'll be next season.

663
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: And I like that the Cardinals are in a place

664
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, we need bodies, we need a chance.

665
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: We're trying to make this happen. There is a playoff

666
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: spot available for us in this NFC West. They got

667
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: a chance to do it, so they're trying to improve

668
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: their team. We'll see if they'll do it anymore. On Tuesday,

669
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: another NFC West team, the forty nine, opened up Christian

670
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: McCaffrey's practice window. I think we're getting Christian McCaffrey back

671
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: this week, at least according to John Lynch.

672
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 6: Their GM long overdue. The forty nine Ers could use

673
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 6: that jolt offensively. I mean, look, this guy's in the

674
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 6: Cover Madden. It's one of the best players in the NFL.

675
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 6: I'm very much looking forward to seeing him coming back

676
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 6: and adding that weapon to an offense that could definitely

677
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 6: use him.

678
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

679
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: Cover of Madden. Though, you know it's at a check.

680
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 7: No, the curse is overblown. It's overblown. It's Peyton hell As,

681
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: that was a fan vote.

682
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: We were in in a book off at the mall

683
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: on Saturday and my son was looking for, you know,

684
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: old video games to buy.

685
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 5: We got an MLB.

686
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: The show actually like a twenty twenty I was just like,

687
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: I got I'll get you that for some you know,

688
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: like use video games or there's seven bucks or whatever.

689
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: It's like, sure, let's get it. Anyways, I saw the

690
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: Madden They have old ass Maddens there. They had a

691
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: Madden eight with Vince Young on the cover, and I

692
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: was like, the kids don't know, and it's not a college,

693
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: it's not like coming out of college.

694
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: Kids don't know.

695
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: Rookie Vince Young was a good time, and like, I

696
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: totally get why he was on that cover. He was

697
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: a great time for a minute and that like people

698
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: think of him as a bust or whatever, he had

699
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: a lot of good moments in the NFL that a

700
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: lot of quote unquote busts never have. So I will

701
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: always defend rookie second year Vince Ye.

702
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 7: I agree.

703
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 6: Could you tell me who was on the cover of

704
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 6: the year before? I know you can't, but I'm going

705
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 6: to tell you, well.

706
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: There were a couple wacky ones there. I'm trying to remember.

707
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 6: Tell me the whacky ones came later Madden O seven.

708
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 6: Sean Alexander was on the cover.

709
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: Okay, now that makes sense. He got the MVP.

710
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: One of the more underwhelming MVPs of all time. Don't

711
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: don't come at me, Seahawks fans. Aj Brown is not

712
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: expected to miss significant time with the knee injury that

713
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: he had, according to Jeff McClain of the Philly Inquirer,

714
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: So maybe he has a chance to play this week,

715
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: although with the way this Cowboys team looks, maybe don't

716
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: rush him back if you don't need to couple other

717
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: just small injury items. The Bills sent Ken Coleman to

718
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: an MRI for risk injury. That that sounds a little

719
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: dicey and maybe getting a second opinion. So I don't

720
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: like that Duan Smooth, who's played some good snaps for

721
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: them as a rotational defensive lineman's going to injured reserve.

722
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: The Titans lost Quandary Digs for the season to a

723
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: Liz Frank injury. They are also hopeful that this is

724
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: the week for Will Levis to return. And then finally

725
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: we got some flex news. Look, I think every time

726
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 4: we do a flex you should flex. I should have

727
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: showed you. I should have told you this ahead of time,

728
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: because you know you got the.

729
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 7: Mark under here. I mean I could take it off

730
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 7: if you want.

731
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Speaker 4: I want to know, please, I mean we do use

732
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: you for you know, your massive sex appeal shook. But

733
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to go I don't want to go

734
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: that far. They flex the Jets out of primetime. That's

735
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: fun because I'm thinking back to before the season, the

736
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: NFL said the Jets owe us some primetime games, and

737
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: I was thinking during this last one, I was like, Okay,

738
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: they vowed us enough, and they took the Jets out

739
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: of primetime in a couple of weeks. I think it

740
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: was what a Jets man. Now, I'm forgetting it was

741
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: a Jets Colts game in primetime. Yeah, you don't need

742
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: the Colts again. And they're putting Bengals Chargers. Now, the

743
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 4: Bengals could very easily be four and six going into

744
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 4: that game if they don't win this Thursday night against

745
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: the Ravens. But who cares. The Bengals are still going

746
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: to be in the mix at four and six. Bengals

747
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: Chargers Herbert Burrow.

748
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Speaker 1: That's fun.

749
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's fun.

750
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 6: A matchup of two of the brightest young talents a quarterback.

751
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 6: Although they've been in the league long enough tim that

752
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if I can necessarily say they're quite

753
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 6: as young as they were before they feel fairly established.

754
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 6: Herbert's on a heater, which we discussed in yesterday's show,

755
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 6: and Burrow has been good all year, so that attracts

756
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 6: more eyeballs I think than another week of Aaron Rodgers.

757
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 6: And you know the saga that is the Jets against

758
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 6: the Colts team that really underwhelmed in primetime on Sunday.

759
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: Night, right, and it'd be Rogers versus Flacco. I mean,

760
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 4: the Colts are I'm sure a big part of this too,

761
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: Like after seeing what they did on Sunday Night Football NBC,

762
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: it was like, no, thanks, don't want to do that again.

763
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: We don't want the Flacco Rogers like you know Ravens

764
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: Packers rematch from twenty fourteen, if that ever happened.

765
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: I have no idea if that ever happened, but you know.

766
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: Those two guys would be slinging it around with strong arms.

767
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: You know what time of the show it is, Nick.

768
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 7: It's a great time. It's a great time.

769
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: It's time for the Captain's Corner, presented by Captain Morgan.

770
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: As always, I'm letting you start first.

771
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 6: All right, Well, we're gonna go with what might seem

772
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 6: like a bit of a layup pick, and it's gonna

773
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 6: be none other than Joey Burr. Joe Burrow for his

774
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 6: five touchdown performance, right, that's what is deserving of Captain's corner.

775
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 6: But that's not why I'm picking him. I'm picking him

776
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: because Joe Burrow threw his fifth touchdown pass of a

777
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: romp over the Raiders, and you could tell that he

778
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 6: was not at all satisfied with where the Bengals are

779
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 6: or his performance in the day, because he knows it's

780
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: only one win and because of the hole they dug

781
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 6: themselves in early, they have a long way to go.

782
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 6: Let's listen to his postgame speech to his teammates.

783
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: We're traveling on Wednesday, today's Sunday. Get your bodies right,

784
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: get your minds right. It's a big one on Thursday.

785
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: You know, he's still thinking about that play that he

786
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: and Chase didn't connect on, because he's a perfectionist.

787
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 7: Even in a game that's thirty eight seventeen.

788
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 11: The position they put themselves in, the mentality from now

789
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 11: on has to be after today's game, nine down, one

790
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 11: to go.

791
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: The expression in that clip if you're watching on YouTube,

792
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 6: which if you're listening on podcasts, he is as stoic

793
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: as can be. He just threw his fifth touchdown pass.

794
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 6: He's had a great day. Not excited at all. That

795
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 6: expression says it all. Look, we were in a bad

796
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 6: spot early. It's been a very frustrating first quarter to

797
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 6: half of the season, and we're finally starting to hit

798
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 6: our stride. But guys, we cannot enjoy this with victory

799
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 6: cigars because we have so much further to go. If

800
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: you want to actually be in this race. That is

801
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 6: the leadership that I expect from a selection for Captain's corner,

802
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: and that's why I'm picking Joe Burrow right there. It's

803
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 6: funny because Greg Get reminded me I went Saturday night.

804
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 6: I went and hung out with my niece and nephew.

805
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 6: I played Nintendo with the Switch with my nephew and

806
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 6: I'm killing him in Mario Kart, and after like three races,

807
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: he just I look over at him and he's just stonefaced,

808
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 6: and I'm like, hey, what's wrong. He's four and He's like,

809
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 6: I don't want to play this anymore. That's what Joe

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 6: Burrow looked like. It struck me in that moment. So

811
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: good on Joe for leading by example.

812
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: Great choice.

813
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: I love the reasoning too, And yeah, that reminds me.

814
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: I didn't even mention Jack Jones, with one of my

815
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: favorite defensive players of the year, on a pick six

816
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: on Burrow earlier in the fourth quarter. So maybe he

817
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: was salty about that they had a three and out

818
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 4: earlier and he knows that they can't be making those

819
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 4: mistakes against the Ravens that they were making in the

820
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, even if it felt meaningless. And that's why

821
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is is who Joe Burrow is. And he

822
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: also might have been annoyed because his rookie receiver let

823
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: the team down. I meant to mention this during the

824
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 4: recap show, and I think it's worth mentioning here because

825
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: seeing him on the bench reminded me of a clip

826
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: that was going around social media. At some point in

827
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: the game. He said something to Jermaine Burton, who's their

828
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: rookie third round pick, and he looked very serious saying it,

829
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: and Jermaine Burton looks serious listening to it. And then

830
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: Jermain Burton got up off the bench, and the speculation

831
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 4: was that Joe Burrow was like, you haven't earned sitting down.

832
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: You know, he's in street clothes, you have no right

833
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: to be sitting down during this game. Who knows if

834
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: that's exactly that it's actually what he said, But the

835
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 4: reporting in Cincinnati from Paul daaner of the Athletic in a

836
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 4: few places was they talked all week that they were

837
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: making Burton a big part of the game plan, the

838
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: whole team, the players. He's really matured all this stuff,

839
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: and they wanted him to kind of step into a

840
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: starting role because Yoshavas has been a little quiet as

841
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: the second or third receiver whatever he's going to be.

842
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 4: Burton's talent has been playing better. And he literally didn't

843
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 4: show up on Saturday for walkthrough, which is crazy, and

844
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: that always makes you a little worried. Whether there's more

845
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 4: to the story, We don't know. I don't want to

846
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: speculate on that, but whatever it was, he did not

847
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: show up to the walkthrough, and the way his coach

848
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: and his teammates talked about it out afterwards, it was

849
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: a broad spectrum of just pissed, worried, disappointed, and just

850
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: like w twof like what, we cannot trust this kid?

851
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 5: So who knows, maybe he was a little salty about

852
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: that too.

853
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: I just wanted to mention that because it's a little

854
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 4: interesting wrinkle of a guy that had some issues coming

855
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: into the league and now you wonder, like, are they

856
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: going to trust him again at any point because in

857
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: theory he should have a big role in Thursday nights

858
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: game if t Higgins isn't available yet.

859
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you're you're dealing with what every team

860
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 6: deals with, which is injuries at certain positions, but at

861
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 6: receiver especially. It's very important to this team because they

862
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 6: learned early in the season that they have to put

863
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 6: up a lot of points and the defense has kind

864
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: of come around a little bit, but they still know

865
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 6: they have to put up a lot of points to

866
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: win games and their backs are against the wall. So

867
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 6: now is not the time for you rookie to not

868
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 6: show up because he overslept or whatever it might have been.

869
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 6: Get to work on time, be a pro, and I'm

870
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 6: glad Joe Burrow is taking the lead on that.

871
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't like, they said, like no contact from

872
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 4: him either, So that's a tough one that you don't

873
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: hear that too often at the NFL level of just

874
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: like total total no show. But he was there on Sunday,

875
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: uh ironically showed up like with pajama pants on which.

876
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 7: It was a road game, he probably wouldn't have made

877
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 7: the flight.

878
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: For some reason.

879
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: I was just thinking, like, I know, it doesn't merely

880
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: matter what he showed up, but if you're gonna not

881
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: completely show up and then basically get suspent, you know,

882
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: like a soft suspension for the game on Sunday, you know,

883
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: just put on some jeans or something dress for work.

884
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: Pajama pants. My captain almost forgot. We're still in the corner. Uh,

885
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 4: it's just got to be the Cardinals coaching staff in general. Yeah,

886
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: I'm going I'm going to coaches. I'm going to multiple coaches.

887
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 4: This thing is is loose.

888
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 12: Uh.

889
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: Nick Rallis, the defensive coordinator of the Cardinals great game

890
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: plan against the Bears, has done a good job, I

891
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: think with an undermanned team all year. But he's getting

892
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: the nod here because he named his son Dominic Kaisier Rallis. Yeah,

893
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 4: he named his He named his son after Kaizier White,

894
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 4: one of my weirdly favorite players.

895
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 5: In the NFL.

896
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: You brought up a tough Yeah, you brought up a

897
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: tough memory for me. Mentioning the Patrick Mahomes high ankle

898
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: Sprain run that he had in the Super Bowl, because

899
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 4: the guy that he juked in the open field which

900
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: changed the course of Super Bowl history, was Kaizier White.

901
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: But naming your son after Kaizier wait, love that parent.

902
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: You know, who knows. Maybe they'll just call him Kaizer.

903
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to go by the

904
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: middle name or the first name, but good.

905
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 5: Job by him.

906
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: And then just to spread it out, I'm going to

907
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: give Jeff Rogers, the special teams coordinator, some love too,

908
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: because some great punt coverage, some diving on the one

909
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: yard line, but especially that his players were prepared for

910
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 4: something that's literally never happened, at least that I've ever seen,

911
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 4: and it's not in its current formation where on a

912
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 4: free kick the way that the blockers are set up

913
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 4: is the same as the kickoff the new dynamic kickoff

914
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: ten yards apart. So this has never actually happened shook

915
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: in the history of football. Tory Taylor or the Bears

916
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: did a free kick where you punt it, but he

917
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 4: did a free onside punt and the Cardinals were completely

918
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: ready for and Tory Taylor nailed this thing.

919
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: He hit it straight up in the air.

920
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: It only went about ten yards forward, and everyone on

921
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: the Cardinals was like, fair catch, fair catch, and they

922
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 4: caught it and everyone just walked away, and the broadcast

923
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: booth like, who's ever even seen anything like that before?

924
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: You know who?

925
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: Had Apparently the Cardinals special teams in practice at some

926
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: point in the offseason, So good job by Jeff Rodgers

927
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: getting them ready for that moment. It was just a small,

928
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 4: stupid thing. I it tickled me in the moment. It's like, Okay,

929
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: I've never seen that before. I mean, sometimes you get

930
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: things you never seen before, like Saquon Barkley jumping, you know,

931
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: ass first over someone, and then you get stuff like that.

932
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: This was not as impressive, but it's still pretty cool.

933
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 7: I feel like I've seen that in the game recently,

934
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 7: maybe the last couple of weeks. But I might be wrong.

935
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm just like everything's blending together at this point

936
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: in week nine. But good on him for preparing his guys.

937
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 6: I will say this, naming your kid the middle name

938
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 6: after a player definitely Trump's Nick Sirianni's award for the

939
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: defensive player who got a takeaway of his parking spot.

940
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: I think the name carries more permanence than a parking

941
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 6: spot for a week.

942
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 5: That's fair.

943
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kaisier White, He's followed him from Philly to Arizona.

944
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: Good on the Cardinals coaching staff. That was the Captain's Quarter,

945
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946
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947
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948
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949
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Speaker 4: Please drink responsibly. Now we're hitting, you know, one of

950
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: the tougher parts of the week for me, Shook, it's

951
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 4: my time without you. I gotta wait all the way

952
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: till to next Sunday to get back to Nick at night,

953
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: back to back nights.

954
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: We got to get you in a midweek show one

955
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: of these weeks.

956
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean absolutely, I'm always down, you know, But

957
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what if I didn't know any better,

958
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 6: I think he came straight from a sales background with

959
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 6: the way that you just laid that on thick.

960
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. All Right, we're

961
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: gonna talk a little Dennis Allen and the Saints. What

962
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: is next for this organization? What a crazy situation that

963
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: they are in moving forward? Talking with the Saints Block

964
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: Party Podcast about the Dennis.

965
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 5: Allen firing after the break.

966
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: Back on NFL Daily, Excited for this conversation. I'm not

967
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: sure how this conversation is gonna go. I'm looking across

968
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: the city of Los Angeles at my friend Adam. I'm

969
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 4: looking at across the country at my friend Ryan from

970
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: the Saints Block Party podcast. Yes, some of the most

971
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: frequent guests of this season. They were on and after

972
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 4: Week two when we were talking about Super Bowl aspirations

973
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: for this Saints team. They were on after Sean Payton

974
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: kind of dug about four feet of the grave for

975
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen. And now we're here after Yes, Dennis Allen

976
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: has been fired by the Saints, and there's no one

977
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about this transaction with more. Adam,

978
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: you look too happy for another man's downfall. It's like,

979
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it's like Marti Graf for y'all,

980
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: but it's like it's like Lundi Gra.

981
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: It's like the day before.

982
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 13: He's getting paid seven million dollars a year with a

983
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 13: twenty six and fifty three head coaching record. I, respectfully,

984
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 13: I do not care.

985
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't care, Greg, I don't care.

986
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: Okay, when you heard the news.

987
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: Obviously it couldn't have been too shocking coming off of

988
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 4: that performance against Carolina. What's your like, We've buried Dennis

989
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: Allen enough. That's not fun to do at this point.

990
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 4: You mentioned his record. Yeah, that's one hundred and forty

991
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: seventh out of one hundred and forty nine qualifying coaches

992
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: in terms of all time winning percentage. Now, most of

993
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: that was with the Raider, but he was eighteen and

994
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 4: twenty five with the Lions, which is not great.

995
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 5: We can move past it.

996
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: Look, this is a man who coached up a lot

997
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 4: of good defenses for the Saints as a coordinator, but

998
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: he's the ultimate Peter principal head coach in the NFL.

999
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: Good coordinator, bad head coach. We get it, big picture.

1000
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: They named Darren Rizzy the interim. But I think there

1001
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: was a lot of interesting takeaways from how this transaction

1002
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: was messaged and some of the reporting that that's come

1003
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: out about it. Where do you want to start.

1004
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 13: Let's start with the two biggest things I found so

1005
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 13: interesting is that gil Benson has woken up. For the

1006
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 13: last two weeks, she has essentially not been listening to

1007
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis and what he's been telling her how the

1008
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 13: team's doing, how he's been telling her how Dennis Allen

1009
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 13: is doing as the head coach. And she went out

1010
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 13: and talked to players on the side, talk to personnel

1011
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 13: people on the side to get their thoughts and opinions

1012
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 13: on Dennis Allen. It seems like she is no longer

1013
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 13: listening to I won't say the lies, but maybe the

1014
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 13: fluffing that Mickey Loomis was doing. And she is trying

1015
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 13: to be an active owner because as much as she

1016
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 13: may not be a sports person, no one who has

1017
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 13: a product wants to continually have their product be seen

1018
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 13: and look embarrassing. Losing to the Panthers, one of the

1019
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 13: worst teams in the NFL for the last three seasons,

1020
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 13: was embarrassing, and so she also made the call to

1021
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 13: relieve Dennis Allen off his duties. This was not a

1022
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis call. And the second thing kind of to

1023
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 13: tie into that. The people that addressed the team after

1024
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 13: d was told to the team that Dennis Allen was

1025
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 13: let go was Foster Morrow and Darren Rizzy.

1026
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Why would the.

1027
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 13: NFL general manager, NFL general member of a team not

1028
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 13: address the team when this happened.

1029
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: Why would he?

1030
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 13: Why was he not their front, front and center of

1031
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 13: the press conference and Darren Rizzy's out there, He's gonna

1032
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 13: have his spot on WWL. But I don't I'm not

1033
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 13: saying Mickey Luomits is gonna get relieved of his duties.

1034
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 13: But there's something happening within that building on Airline Drive.

1035
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 13: And it's just not the I believe the Dennis Allen

1036
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 13: part of it is just the start of it.

1037
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 12: What do you think, Ryan, He's one hundred percent right.

1038
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 12: It's freshting to see that Gail Benson is alive though,

1039
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 12: because look, she's been the owner for a couple of

1040
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 12: years now, since Tarn Benson passed. Nobody really knew how

1041
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 12: she would move in this situation because she hasn't had

1042
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 12: to really make a him moves. Mickey Loomis has been

1043
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 12: the defacto manager owner of the team. He's the one

1044
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 12: that made all the move. She's been encapsulated with her circle,

1045
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 12: so nobody really knew. You know, we were covering this

1046
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 12: last night, you know, we're wondering what the athenastic gets fired,

1047
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 12: and we thought, look, if he were to get fired

1048
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 12: after this Panthers game, it would have to be a

1049
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 12: Gail Benson call. Would she make that call? And she did.

1050
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 12: She got out there and she talked to the players personally.

1051
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 12: She went around Mickey Numas and I think that just

1052
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 12: speaks It said so much just right there. It just

1053
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 12: shows that there's a level of trust that's decreasing just

1054
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 12: a little bit, not a lot, but just a little bit.

1055
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 12: It would as far as running the organization, because Dennis

1056
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 12: Alum was his guy.

1057
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: Right, So let's back it up for a second. Mickey

1058
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 4: Loomis has been with the Saints organization since two thousand,

1059
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: so he proceeds when he John Payton, he proceedes GAYL.

1060
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 5: Benson.

1061
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 4: Now you mentioned Gail Benson's only been the owner of

1062
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: the team for so many years. I think Tom Benson

1063
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 4: died in twenty eighteen. I was actually weirdly on NFL

1064
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: Network on call all that week to talk about Tom

1065
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 4: Benson's legacy. I read the book Jeff Duncan wrote about

1066
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: Tom Benson just to.

1067
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 5: Be ready for that moment.

1068
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: So weird because they just knew I was a safe

1069
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: guy and they didn't have anyone.

1070
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: Very weird.

1071
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 4: So she's on the team for six years, and look

1072
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 4: they they were married since two thousand and four, so

1073
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: she's been You could say she's doesn't have a sports background,

1074
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 4: but she's been in this game for a while.

1075
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: Now.

1076
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: We don't need to get into the whole story of

1077
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: how she became the owner. There were lawsuits between her

1078
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 4: side and the and Tom Benton and his daughter from

1079
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: a previous marriage and her kids, and ultimately in his

1080
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: will the team was left to her.

1081
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 5: So she is the active owner.

1082
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 4: And to me, this is her first real test as

1083
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: the active owner, because when Sean Payton essentially quit, the

1084
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 4: idea was, let's just keep it rolling. Let's keep it

1085
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 4: rolling with Mickey Loomis, Let's not upset the apple cart.

1086
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: Dennis Allen as a good defense. Let's just keep it going.

1087
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 4: And everyone decided to do that. And now the question,

1088
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: as you guys said, was was she actually going to

1089
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: make a move on her own? And I want to

1090
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: read the statement that Mickey Loomis really least on Monday,

1091
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 4: his statement read, Dennis Allen is an excellent football coach.

1092
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 4: This season, we have had an avalanche of injuries. It

1093
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: took its toll. Dennis Allen never offered excuses. He fought

1094
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: each day for his organization and this team, and that's

1095
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 4: what makes today disappointing. Dennis has been an integral part

1096
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: of this organization's success for the better part of twenty years.

1097
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: He will be missed.

1098
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: I never heard a GM release a statement like that

1099
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: that felt like he was upset. And when you're saying

1100
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: that she contacted the players directly, there's been various reporting.

1101
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 4: Nick Underhill at New Orleans Football As reported that it's

1102
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: been out there in different places, New Orleans Times, Picky

1103
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 4: Youn different versions of this story that yes, the players

1104
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: were involved, and that's crazy, and that tells me that

1105
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis is probably not long for this job. But

1106
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 4: every Saints fan Adam tells me I'm wrong. Every Saints

1107
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: Fan's like, Nope, they're never gonna get rid of Nicky.

1108
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: Lomis is never gonna happen. And I think when an

1109
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: owner does a move like this, it's a sign that

1110
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: she's open to anything.

1111
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: Going on with that.

1112
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 13: I've heard not only was Gail Benson canvassing information for

1113
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 13: players on Dennis Allen, I also heard that she was

1114
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 13: canvassing information on Mickey Loomis from players, from personnel. And

1115
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 13: when you're doing that, I'm not saying it's gonna lead

1116
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 13: to something, but the structure, the crumbles and the fractures

1117
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 13: of trust is definitely there. I kind of felt like

1118
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 13: Mickey Loomis, to use a Game of Thrones reference, Mickey

1119
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 13: Loomis was like little Finger to Gail Benson. He goes

1120
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 13: just lies, job preservation, job preservation, and at some point

1121
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 13: Sanza comes to her senses and just like no, sorry,

1122
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 13: just completely just nerdy Game of Throne talk, but came

1123
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 13: to her senses like no, you are not. I don't

1124
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 13: want to hear it from you because I know you're

1125
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 13: lying to me. It feels like that's in motion right

1126
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 13: now within the team hierarchy. And going back to that

1127
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 13: statement you just read like I was confused, was like

1128
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 13: Dennis Allen fired or was he promoted?

1129
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: Like it's such a weird statement.

1130
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 12: What it was almost a defiant statement, you know, Yes,

1131
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 12: the way it was read.

1132
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: It was and this is a defiant guy. It's a

1133
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: defiant organization. Look, they stood behind Mickey and Sean Payton

1134
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 4: through Bountygate like as hard as it as they possibly could.

1135
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton. Look, he was the best

1136
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: man at his wedding and Sean Payton goes. They stood

1137
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 4: behind Mickey Loomis. This is a man that helped run

1138
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: the New Orleans Pelicans does on some levels still, but

1139
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: you know, was on a more day to day level.

1140
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 4: So it's a very fascinating organization to me in terms

1141
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: of how it's running. But it was absolutely defiant and

1142
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: this is a guy Mickey Loomis. For what it's worth,

1143
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: we want to talk GM records forty six and sixty

1144
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: one without Sean pay at coach. And one of the

1145
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: reasons I bring all this up, and maybe this is

1146
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: getting too nerdy for our listeners, but I think it's

1147
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: really interesting is there is no way for this organization

1148
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: to move forward to me unless it's a total restart,

1149
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 4: because the way they've done things in terms of pushing

1150
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: all that cap money into the future, and Derek Carr

1151
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: has a lot of money next year, and there's a

1152
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 4: lot of contracts in our next year, and there's a

1153
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 4: lot of old players on this roster. I think it

1154
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: only makes sense to start over with a fresh front

1155
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: office and a fresh restart and a group that's gonna

1156
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 4: be willing to maybe feel some short term pain. It

1157
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 4: might be a year or two it might not be

1158
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: like like some of the teams with huge dead cap

1159
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: money have been very successful, including the Broncos, like right now,

1160
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 4: But a team that's really willing to rip the band

1161
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 4: aid off and to me, keeping the same guy that's

1162
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 4: run the team Ryans in two thousand, how could that

1163
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: be a fresh start exactly?

1164
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 12: I mean you got to make a move like will

1165
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 12: he get fired or will he move into like another

1166
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 12: position within the organization. I don't care, I don't care

1167
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 12: how do they do it, but something needs to happen.

1168
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 12: There needs to be a large organizational change. They need

1169
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 12: to rip the band aid off. The cap nerves have

1170
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 12: been screaming about it for years. The Saints keep like,

1171
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 12: keep kicking a hand down the road, and I hate

1172
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 12: that analysis. But to be in a situation like this

1173
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 12: where we're picking top five looking like we're gonna pick

1174
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 12: top five in the draft, and you seventy five million

1175
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 12: over the camp next hit that is.

1176
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: That is just that's this terrible business, Like that's right.

1177
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 5: They've been spending into the bend.

1178
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: To Dale Benson's credit, they've been spending more money in

1179
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 4: the last five six years in terms of cash than

1180
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 4: than they actually used to back under Tom Benson. It

1181
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: it's quite a history because when you think about it,

1182
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: like Sean Payton helped get Mickey Loomis fired, they could

1183
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: really write this is like some Tello novella stuff. You

1184
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's all, it's all, it's all

1185
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: mixed up, and look everyone's got a little egg on

1186
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: their face. I went back and listened to that Week

1187
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 4: two show just for fun this afternoon, because I gotta

1188
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: admit I was looking for a SoundBite where I could

1189
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: clown y'all and play something funny or myself.

1190
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: We stand by it, you know what.

1191
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 5: It was more composed than I thought.

1192
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 4: You guys went way harder on your podcast on Saint's

1193
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: Black Party than on mine. That was where Ryan really

1194
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 4: hit it when you guys talking about Kendre Miller. Kendre

1195
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 4: Miller bay But when Adam asked, are you guys are

1196
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 4: we super Bowl contenders or not? And Ryan answered, well,

1197
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 4: Kendre Miller comes back healthy.

1198
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1199
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 5: You know, did you say there was the best no

1200
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: line in the league.

1201
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 4: It just as a reminder how seasons can change fast.

1202
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: Because they were two and ou scoring all these points,

1203
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 4: we thought it was maybe gonna be a Derek Carr

1204
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 4: Renaissance instead. Derek Carr and his coach have a interesting

1205
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: statistical factoid that Danna Sound's the only coach to ever

1206
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: be fired in two places with the same quarterback. And

1207
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 4: before the show, we were talking about, oh, the Saints

1208
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 4: should get arch Manning in a few years, which would

1209
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 4: be interesting. And I don't know if you know this fact, Adam.

1210
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: Derek Carr this last weekend tied Archie Manning for losing

1211
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: to the most organizations in the NFL thirty So I

1212
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: don't know who's the thirty second. I'll have to find

1213
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 4: out the Raiders. Okay, the cars, Yeah, the cars. Could

1214
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: you know he could break that record at some point,

1215
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: But I don't know if y'all can wait around long

1216
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: enough to get arch Manning.

1217
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 5: That's a while.

1218
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a while. It's a while.

1219
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 13: And I will say this from what I heard this

1220
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 13: morning after all everything happened, the Saints have their eyes

1221
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 13: set on either Detroit coordinator, which is funny because Aaron

1222
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 13: Glenn interviewed for the job when Sean Payton stepped down

1223
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 13: and was I was told like he blew the Saints

1224
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 13: organization away for how like how well he interviewed sounds

1225
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 13: very kind of coded. I think they interviewed him as

1226
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 13: like a Rooney, like a Rooney check mark, and like

1227
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 13: was like, oh, like he actually might be a good

1228
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 13: head coach. So they're interested in Ben Johnson, They're interested

1229
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 13: in Aaron Glenn, They're interested in Mike Drabil, They're gonna

1230
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 13: see how it goes with Darren Rizzy as interim head coach.

1231
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 13: Just as a fan, I'm just happy to hear those names.

1232
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 13: Does that mean that they're gonna land any of those

1233
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 13: any of those names? Who knows, But it just needs

1234
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 13: to shift away from you. Gotta let the past be

1235
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 13: the past, and you have to evolve, You have to

1236
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 13: move on, and this is the first step into that.

1237
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 13: But like we keep you keep saying, if Mickey Loomis

1238
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 13: is part of it, it's hard to kind of let

1239
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 13: go of the past when he's such a prevalent part

1240
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 13: of the past.

1241
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 12: Exactly because, I mean, one of the big reasons the

1242
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 12: Saints have such a bad sailory cap issue in the

1243
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 12: Saints artist talented as they were, is a draft, and

1244
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 12: a drafting has been horrible the past couple of years.

1245
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 12: Second round pick Brian Baz who looks good, but you know,

1246
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 12: isn't maybe hasn't lived up, you know, oh my god,

1247
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 12: I mean you can go on on and on for days.

1248
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 12: They have to take a look at what they're doing,

1249
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 12: the way they're building this team and really start back

1250
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 12: fresh at the table and continue to build up, you know,

1251
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 12: from that, you know from the foundation, because right now

1252
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 12: the foundation is just crumbling.

1253
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 5: It's tough.

1254
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 4: They're in as tough a situation as as any team

1255
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: outside of Cleveland, I would say, right now in the NFL.

1256
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 5: But they're there.

1257
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: But things can they can change fast, like we have

1258
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 4: we have seen in the NFL. If you get the

1259
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 4: right coach, certainly the right quarterback, you can be rolling

1260
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: in year two. So it doesn't have to be some

1261
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: really long rebuild. But yeah, that Derek Carr doing that

1262
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson move in the end zone when we were

1263
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: in the crowd in Dallas, that feels like a long

1264
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: time ago.

1265
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 12: Dennis out after the game dropping some Kindrick Lamar lyrics like.

1266
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: Since the.

1267
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: Speaking of which Darren Rizzy has got a coach eight

1268
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 4: games here, our friend Randy Chavez cut some soundbites from

1269
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 4: Darren Rizzy. He was their special teams coach. I love

1270
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 4: the sound of him at his press conference. Let's let's

1271
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 4: listen to a couple answers that he had.

1272
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 11: They should be pissed off. I'm pissed off. The fans

1273
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 11: should be pissed off. The people in New Orleans, the

1274
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 11: people Louisiana. No one should be happy. And I think

1275
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 11: this city deserves a winner. They know what winning football

1276
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 11: looks like, and you know it's our job to bring

1277
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 11: that back. You know, there's there's a bunch of different

1278
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 11: ways to do it. I think we've been doing uh

1279
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 11: things around here the same way for a long long

1280
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 11: time and and maybe some are good. Maybe some are

1281
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 11: and we can make some changes, so but there'll be

1282
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 11: some different things that we do.

1283
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 5: For sure, we've been doing things the same for a

1284
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 5: long long time.

1285
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: That that was good.

1286
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 5: This could be fun.

1287
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember the Joe Bitt era,

1288
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 4: but he's given me some no vibes.

1289
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 5: I love. I love a fiery.

1290
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 4: Special Teams interim head coach, like with Dan Campbell was

1291
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 4: the interim head coach in Miami. Like he's got to

1292
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: give you guys some fun and you got the Falcons

1293
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 4: coming up.

1294
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 5: Ryan, This was like your super Bowl.

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Speaker 13: The Raider, the Raiders special teams coach for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He got, yeah, yeah, I've been calling.

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Speaker 12: I've been calling, which my interim coach he's now because

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Speaker 12: I knew this day was coming, and he just definitely

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Speaker 12: just like it's that he coach, just getting the team

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 12: hyped up for two games, go and win to and

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Speaker 12: then lose the rest. You know what I'm saying, Like that,

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Speaker 12: that's that's fine with me. Let's not win too much here,

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 12: you know, let's not win too much here, you know,

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Speaker 12: maybe get a top five pick. I know, I know,

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Speaker 12: like I hate I hate that type of thinking, like,

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Speaker 12: you know, just losing to get picks. But look, man,

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Speaker 12: this is where we are, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: But you want to win Sunday, right, this is got

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Speaker 4: to be a supper ball. It's not the Patriots Jets

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Speaker 4: game two weeks ago. That was the Patriots super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: They just wanted to drag down their rivals into the

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Speaker 4: mud with them. Tell me it wouldn't be fun. I know,

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Speaker 4: our friend Spice, Rack, Brad Spicer's out here with the

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Speaker 4: fired coach principal. He's going to be believing in your

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Speaker 4: Saints they're going to be playing hard. When I saw

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Speaker 4: some of those quotes from from Honey Badger and and

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Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara.

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Speaker 12: Already players are already having Rizzy shirts. They have Rizzy shirts.

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Speaker 4: Carol Granderson's putting up Instagram posts of walking into I mean,

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Speaker 4: I almost I feel bad for Dennis Allen at this point.

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Speaker 13: Please don't, please don't. And here's the here's the crazy

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Speaker 13: part of it. Yes, we want to beat the Falcons,

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Speaker 13: and that's and that is huge. You know, this is

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Speaker 13: quote unquote our super Bowl. But I want to like

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Speaker 13: point out to another little thing in the Devin Rizzy thing.

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Speaker 13: And I don't I don't feel like I'm reading too

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Speaker 13: much into it. When he was asked, you know, the

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Speaker 13: teams have two young quarterbacks on the roster, could they

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Speaker 13: could they see them, like getting looks at them for

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Speaker 13: evaluation for the future, and he said, like, you know,

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Speaker 13: I envisioned Derek Derek Carr being the starter for us

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Speaker 13: on Sunday. He did not, He did not go further

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Speaker 13: than that, like it was on Sunday. So I do

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Speaker 13: think if if the season continues to go how it

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Speaker 13: has been, maybe they beat the Falcons, maybe they lose.

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Speaker 13: You know, you know, a cloud or a cluster of games.

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Speaker 13: At some point you have to see what you have

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Speaker 13: in Rattler in a better situation, with Hanger in a

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Speaker 13: better situation, because you're gonna be comparing these guys and

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Speaker 13: you're gonna compare them in grading them. How of this

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Speaker 13: upcoming quarterback class, the cam Wards, the Sanders, the quinn yours,

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Speaker 13: Because you have to know, do we need to draft

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Speaker 13: one in the top five or do we feel like

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Speaker 13: we can go BPA and maybe we could go with

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Speaker 13: what we have in the building. It's a crucial question

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Speaker 13: that they have to know going into the offseason.

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Speaker 4: Man, I I don't feel like they're gonna get a

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Speaker 4: good situation for them to play with, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think either's the quarterbacks really have a chance talent wise,

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Speaker 4: makeup wise to be able to excel in the situation

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Speaker 4: to change any of the draft plans. Doesn't doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: they can't they can't be in the mix next year,

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Speaker 4: and you never know. But I have a hard time

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Speaker 4: believing no matter what Spencer Ratler does this season that

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Speaker 4: it's gonna impact their draft status.

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Speaker 5: But you never know.

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Speaker 4: They Sometimes things get freaky with interim head coaches sometimes

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Speaker 4: they get them winning.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it'll be fun.

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Speaker 4: Let's actually listen to one more Darren Rizzy sound before

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Speaker 4: we go this This one Randy Flagg didn't It just

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Speaker 4: cracked me out.

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Speaker 7: Lebron can drop six dy, j R.

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Speaker 11: Smith can go two for twenty one like you normally did,

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Speaker 11: and Lebron could Lebron could you know there's they're still

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Speaker 11: gonna win.

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Speaker 1: I heard that earlier and I was I was like,

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Speaker 1: j R. Smith getting just just shots.

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Speaker 4: For what I think he was saying, like the stars

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Speaker 4: can play well and but if your if your role

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Speaker 4: players aren't playing well, then it's not gonna matter. But

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Speaker 4: he sort of stumbled on it. You was talking about

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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge. But that's what I like about interim coaches.

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Speaker 5: You never know what they're gonna say.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be ida trained, appreciate you guys. It really

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Speaker 4: feels like this was our our Star Wars trilogy of

1377
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Speaker 4: the Saints. Maybe god maybe it's the Godfather trilogy because

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Speaker 4: the third one it's just like it's not going right.

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Speaker 4: But uhh yeah, we got the highs, we got, we

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Speaker 4: got an emotional loss to the Sean Payton and here

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Speaker 4: we are with big changes.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys think you're having us all in man.

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Speaker 4: That's that's Ryan and Adam from the Saints Block Party podcast.

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Speaker 4: Everyone check out their show. That's it for this one.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be back very soon. It's trade deadline if

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Speaker 4: we're gonna put up the show a little earlier. Me

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Speaker 4: and Mike Arrifolo, Jordan Rodrigue responding to all the trade

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Speaker 4: deadline So those will come up on Tuesday. And yeah,

1389
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Speaker 4: when when the Saints are making big old changes, you

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Speaker 4: know football is back