WEBVTT - Monica Lewinsky CHOOSES to Reclaim Her Name 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:09.000 You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Welcome 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.600 back to I Choose Me. Okay, I'm continuing my conversation 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:17.560 today with Monica Lewinsky, author, activist, and someone who has 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.520 shown us what it really looks like to rise, to 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:26.200 heal and to choose yourself. So let's get back into it. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:26.880 Now. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.600 With social media, we now have this whole new world. Right, 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.000 Like when you and I were going to school, you 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.040 couldn't be globally shamed. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.440 In this snow way instantly, Yeah, you just couldn't. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.000 It was like, you know, I remember this kid that 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:45.960 I had a crush on who was a year older 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.000 than me, and I wrote him a love letter and 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.000 he like showed all these kids at school. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.800 I was mortified. I was, you know, I was going 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:53.280 to die. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.560 And it's like, okay, but we're talking about the you know, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.000 fifty kids who were at Hawthorne Elementary, you know, not 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:07.720 fifty million. Yeah, right, So it's. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:12.000 I mean the pressure, yeah, pressure that's on our young people, yeah, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.800 and our older people because of social media, especially when 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:20.760 you're in that situation of you know being yeah, you know, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.000 walk into your own beat or being a little different 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.959 than everybody else or whatever your differences are. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.640 Yeah, one of the things that I've really appreciated about 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:35.880 having a podcast is that the conversations I've had with 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.480 so many varied people, and the number of times that 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.040 you hear, you know, someone talk about a bullying experience 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.280 from when they were younger, and in fact, a whole 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.600 handful of people who've been on the podcast or friends 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.520 who participated. I've done a bunch of PSA campaigns for 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.800 Bullying Prevention Month, which is October, and one of the 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.360 ones we did was around this idea of reclaiming your name, 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.240 like you're not the worst name that you've ever been called. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.440 And so a whole bunch of people generously gave their 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.760 time or voice or let us use their name and 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.480 with the name they were bullied with as a kid. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:20.079 And it's pretty incredible to sort of see, we can 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.480 choose to not let that define us, right, and so 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.840 we get to take the power back from that. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.520 Do you think this is like a calling that you 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.640 stumbled upon? Like you know what I mean, Like I 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.839 think it is your universe made lemonade. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:47.560 Yeah, I think that it's a you know, maybe if 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.919 I live to an old age and on my deathbed, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.320 I might see the expanse of my life differently. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.720 I think they're still I've had to fully accept I'm 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.160 a public person. There's something about my story that is 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.840 useful in the times we live in, and that's my life, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.280 and so I need to accept that. And I just 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.200 I sort of feel like I'm just trying to do 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.600 the best I can with sort of what happened. Anyway, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:28.840 it's amazing. Two, you've probably had this experience, especially you know, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.040 when you were on book tour and stuff. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.239 I'm sure of. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.680 You get reflected back to you from people that you 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:42.840 don't know, ways that they ways that they like connect 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.520 with your story right and connect with your pain and 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.960 connect with your healing. And that's also not to I'm 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.640 not like trying to just push my podcast, but I 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.560 think that's the other Like, we're not prescriptive on the 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:57.800 I mean, you've been on it. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.840 We're not prescriptive. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.960 It's not tell me the three things that you did 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.880 to get through it. And this idea is it really 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:10.080 comes from my experience of how other people have reflected 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:14.720 back to me what I do, how that's impacted them. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:19.000 And I found okay, people are actually even though I 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.119 love those. I click on those all the time on Instagram. Okay, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:23.120 what are the four things to do. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.839 To find out exactly? I can't swipe fast enough. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.400 But I also think there's a real beauty in allowing 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.800 people that elasticity to find what they need in a story, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.280 to find what they need where they're at, and. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.080 The strands that connect your story to their experience. And 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.320 it's so impactful. I know exactly what you mean. And 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.840 once you start hearing like the impact that you're you know, 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:57.960 having on other people and it's potentially helping them get 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.240 through a really dark time or situation, it fuels this 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:07.000 kind of like furnace of you wanting to keep doing 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.640 it because you're helping people, right, and that it's just 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.440 you reclaiming. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:19.040 Yeah, you're identity. And I think for me, given. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.640 Given both the negativity that I had coming at me 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.640 and the negativity of what happened to everybody involved, including 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:35.000 the country, you know, it's it. It's sort of it 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.960 gives it. It makes it easier for me to keep going. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.480 Like they're you know, I don't always read comments on 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.120 things like I read the comments on the clips for 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.080 the podcast because I feel like it's important to know 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.840 what people are connecting right, and those conversations and sometimes 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:59.040 someone will just you know, tell me how something landed 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.440 with them in a way that was meaningful, and it's like, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.080 oh my god, I needed to hear that so badly today. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:10.920 It's such a gift when it becomes this reciprocal relationship. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.240 Yeah, because we don't talk to people in our lives. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.080 You know, it's easy to go through a day and 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:22.720 not connect, yes, really connect with someone else instead of 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.800 just watching someone else's life for their great you know, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.240 moments on Instagram or whatever. So having someone speak truthfully 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.120 and honestly about their own pain and suffering, it provides 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.039 them with that connection that they are missing so badly, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:42.120 and it's really important. And I can see in you 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.320 the same thing I see in what I'm doing is 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.800 that when you help someone else, it helps ease your 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.960 own suffering because you need that connection too. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:52.719 Yeah. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.760 I don't know if you ever read Roxanne Gay's memoir 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.000 of her body Hunger, No, but I had read it 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.640 in I think twenty fifteen, and then I listened to 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:13.040 it recently and I was reminded of the more vulnerable 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:18.520 someone is, the more it connects with other people, and 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.360 the more you're helping ease other people's feelings of shame, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.360 you know, because you're not alone, you know. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.760 And you're doing that. You're doing that with people that 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.920 listen to your podcast. You're also doing that with your guests. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.040 I saw a clip of when Miley Miley was on 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.840 your show. I love her by the way. 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:47.200 Oh my god, she's she is just she's everything, right, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.280 She's everything you could imagine, and then more. She's just 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.480 wonderful and she's so funny. She's really funny. 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.760 Well, he talked about feeling guilty about the effects of 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.160 her or fame have, you know, the effects that that 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.840 had on her family and her siblings, and you said 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:06.880 how you could relate. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:12.640 It's interesting because I think both Miley and I had 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:17.040 had these experiences, and it was amazing to see through 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.120 a younger generation that has not sort of sat in 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.800 shame around emotions for as long as our generation has. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:31.240 She had done emdr around that and had moved past 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:37.680 it where I don't think I've even I've made peace 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.160 with some of it, but I think it lives in 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.040 me still in a way that it doesn't live in her. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.440 And that's interesting because I can yeah, I can totally 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.600 relate to both of you, and I think so many 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:54.240 people can, like when your circumstances or your situation detracts 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.960 or takes away something that is inherently someone else's sure 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:04.640 their life, their their name, you know, Yeah. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.280 I mean it's uh, it is. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:16.319 I'm so grateful that the last decade plus has changed 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.320 what people think when they hear my name the first 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.640 thing when they hear my name, and because I share 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.679 that last name with a lot of people, you know. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.160 And it's so I think that's you know. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.400 I executive produced this series on Hulu on Amanda Knox, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.600 and one of the things that was Amanda is also 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.200 an EP And one of the things that was so 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.880 important to us and Hulu was so wonderful about was 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.960 letting us show the aftermath of what happens. You know, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.959 most most of those shows would have ended Okay, she's exonerated, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.720 let out of prison, Yay go home, end of shows, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.640 you know, sentimental music. And it was so important to 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.200 us for people to try to get a window into 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.400 the collateral damage of what happens to people that it's 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.920 not just you, it's your family, it's your extended family. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.000 You're impacted by how you move through the world by 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.600 you know, and so that I think is important because 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.240 we tend to you know, it's the image that comes 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.920 up is the sort of the arena, the gladiator arenas 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:38.240 of old, you know, and that it feels like we 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.240 have that one person in the center that we're throwing 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.640 you know, horrible things out and yelling or cheering for 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.080 and we. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.600 Don't see them go home. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.360 We don't know that maybe their mom or dad is 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.160 sitting in the stands rooting for them or worried about them, 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.680 like we just don't, and so they become entertained in 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.480 a way. And I think it's important for us to 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:11.160 how we hopefully shift consciousness and shift society for those 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.360 things to seep. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.800 In, you know, right, I think just acceptance people. That's 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.640 I mean, oh, it's so hard though, so hard when 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:25.760 people say, Monica Lewinsky, now, what do you hope comes 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:26.160 to mind? 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.920 I mean, I think if at the end of my 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.720 life I was a poster child for surviving shame and 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:39.320 being able to move on and work to create your 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.199 own ending, You're chosen ending or you know, my production 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.560 company is called All the Endings, and it's like you 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.280 know that there's that It's not we're not faded that way. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.280 Certain things in life are faded, but I think we 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.560 can we can move the needle on those things. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.560 And that is important because. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:08.120 We go through these kinds of humiliations or losses, you know, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.520 and everything in between all the time in life. If 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.559 you're living, if you're if you're out there living, you're 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.040 going to you're going to be disappointed sometimes, You're going 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.040 to lose. Sometimes, you're going to be rejected sometimes, and 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.960 you know, the ability to pick ourselves back up. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:27.720 I have a friend. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.160 I think it maybe comes from the twelve step program 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.520 of progress not perfection, and that is such a great 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.200 you know, it's such a great thing. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.160 So do you have a lot of supportive girlfriends? 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:41.520 Oh, I'm very lucky. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.760 I have my like my inner circle, you know, I 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.679 have my Okay, these are my people. I'm not afraid 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.840 to say the good, I'm not afraid to say the bad. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.840 And with new. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.000 People, I think there's this I think I have a 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:03.400 relationship with my intuition and where I don't know if 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.200 it's good or bad. I mean, I'm going to say 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.360 I think it's good. It would be pretty hard to 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.360 move through the world just bitter and mistrusting everyone that 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.560 I have an open heart. I am trusting, and so 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.160 I think that it's I'm more trusting than I might 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.480 expect of someone. But boy, if my spidy senses go up, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.439 I like really shut down to a point where I 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.960 started to get a little paranoid about you know, I'm 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.679 just sort. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.600 Of whoa, whoa. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:39.120 Yeah, and and sometimes still I don't listen to those 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:46.600 warning signs, you know, and and you know, but yeah, 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.720 I'm very I have I'm very lucky with my friends. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.199 I have a box sitting on my counter that my 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:54.559 best friend from college sent me. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.920 She's like, I've collected these things for you. So it's 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.640 you know, it's not even for my birthday. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.560 So which is up by the way, Yes, how are 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:02.319 you celebrating. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.840 I am going to be on vacation that week. That's 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.400 like one week of vacation this year and perfect. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:11.200 Yeah. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.160 So I think we're doing with friends that I was 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.920 with last year and we all play majong together and so. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:18.800 It was amazing. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:24.280 Yeah, they got a cabana on the beach and we 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.640 played mashong all day on the beach. So I think 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.200 we're doing that the day before my birthday and on 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.800 my birthday going to an event of a friend of 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:33.920 ours company. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:45.280 So it must be difficult. Any woman I talked to 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.520 says dating is difficult, especially at our age. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.720 What is it like for you? Are you dating? 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.560 Do you ever want to date? I? 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:57.840 Yes, I date. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.440 I think this year it's been a little less than 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.880 the last year because I just had been juggling a 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:13.120 lot more professionally than I expected to be, and I've 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.920 gone on dates with some amazing men, and you know, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.640 but I am a little more sensitive to certain things, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.920 and it's sometimes it's hard. It's it could be really 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:31.120 hard to tell the difference between nervousness, like someone else's nervousness, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.120 and feeling like you need to hold the space for 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.280 someone else because they're more nervous because they're not a 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.920 public person and you're a public person. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.400 And so there's sort. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:46.760 Of that dance and even you know, the times where 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.720 they're trying to make you feel comfortable, it sometimes is 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:55.760 a miss, you know, and it's the but you know, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.720 I think again back to the. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:58.760 Acceptance and my. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.920 My sister in law's turning fifty, and I was like, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.440 it's the best decade. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:05.960 She's like, really and nicely. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.960 Yes, because you just it is. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.600 You're baked, Like all right, all the fucks are kind 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.880 of gone, so yeah, I take it, leave it. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 Yeah. So I do feel like. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.600 Something that evolved for me in the last several years 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:30.440 was this, you know, Okay, I might not this lifetime, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.080 I may not end up with the person at some point. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.200 You know, it just may not have happened for me, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.760 and I'll be okay, and if it does have, like, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.000 I be equally surprised. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.080 If it doesn't happen, or. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.160 It does happen, that's a perfect place to land because 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:52.400 that's again acceptance of what is, instead of fretting over 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.320 it or trying to force something or feeling badly that 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.480 it's not a certain way, giving into societal pressures. Yeah, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.720 I love that. That shows just like immense strength and 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.560 growth in you. Yes, you know, and once you're like, 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.640 I'm fine on my own, then let you know, I'd 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.480 be surprised if something doesn't just fall into place for you. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.520 We'll see, you know, when you're least expecting it. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:18.320 Yeah. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.760 Yeah, it's but you know, I always joke when people 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.480 say that, I'm like, okay, now show me how to 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.719 least expect it right. So I know it's hard, it's tricky, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.680 but you're doing a great job. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.120 I have one last question for you. Yeah, Monica Lewinsky, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.040 what was your last I Choose me moment? 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.720 One of my friends was offering to We had talked 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:49.800 about like doing something for my birthday, so before my birthday, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.480 but because I won't be in La and this and that, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.800 and I have a lot going on. It's supposed to 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.920 be Sunday, and I have a lot going on this week, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.120 and I'm on the one hand and I want to receive, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.959 I'm trying to be a better receiver, and on the 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.400 other hand, there's just some stressful stuff going. 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:08.919 On this week. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.520 And so I said, I think I'd probably rather not. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:14.399 You know. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.080 I think what I was able to do was to 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.520 sort of think about, yes, I might just feel joy, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:25.000 or it may feel really performative to me, and the 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.640 energy of being performative is something I need to put elsewhere. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.399 And so that sort of feels like a choose me. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.560 What are you going to do on Sunday instead? 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.240 Oh? Probably pack? 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.119 Just relax. Your pack is so stressful. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.560 It's so stressful, you know. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:43.679 My favorite thing to do. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.360 I know what. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.680 My small hack, although I never give it to fitting 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.000 it away after, which is annoying, is I pull out 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.040 a rack I put you know, I put together one 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:59.119 of those temporary clothing hanging racks. And then that way 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.200 I feel like, Okay, I'm you got your outfits right, 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.040 especially because I'm going to be doing a bunch of 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.760 podcast interviews on this trip, and so it's like, okay, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.000 you know what mood am I going to be in? 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:13.600 You know? 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.320 You just and then but I recently, I'm going to 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.360 brag for a minute. I went to the TED conference, 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.399 which is like five or six days in April, and 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.440 I took a carry on only. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.119 Which is like beyond for me. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.760 I love that you're bragging about being in a carry on. Yeah, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.639 it makes a big difference, especially when you don't have 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.080 somebody to help you slip exactly exactly. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.679 But I tried that. Have you seen that thing on Instagram? 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.440 It's the Sudoku method of packing with the cubes? 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.480 No, it's no, It's like, what is it? 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:54.360 Three outer layers, three bottoms, and three tops and you 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.440 sort of have them and you and you just sort 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.600 of choose the color palette and then you mix and 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.159 match everything and it worked. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.199 Okay, yeah, I'm going to google that. I'll send it 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:06.439 to you. 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.560 Actually, I send you to post it and I. 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.800 Was like, oh, thank god, you've found to you I know. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.560 So I'm going to text you right after this and 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.639 I will when I find the sudoku thing. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:16.359 I will look at to you. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.800 Oh my god, You'll make my life so much better 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:19.920 because I hate packing. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:21.080 Yeah, me too. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.920 Well, I wish you a much better week next week. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:24.600 Thank you. 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.800 And I know that all good things are coming for 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.280 you because you are looking for them. And I'm just 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:31.880 really happy for you. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.800 Thank you. Thank you for having me so lovely. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:37.480 Thank you for being here.