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Speaker 1: have another ship talking extravaganza from the Hall of Famer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer, Terrell Owens, talking about his entire career,

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Speaker 1: talking about the Tony Romo incident. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: playing with the actual broken leg, talking about him doing

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Speaker 1: this is the humanization of Tera Owens. T O like

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Speaker 1: billion bucks. All right, my main man te o, Terrell Owens.

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Speaker 1: I've been practicing it all day because last time I

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Speaker 1: saw you, I said Terrell Owens, and you said you

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Speaker 1: were gonna suck me up. If I said you New Yorkers,

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Speaker 1: Terrell Owens. If so, I'm probably gonna make the mistake

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Speaker 1: and private say it again. I'm sure. My first question

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Game m v P trophy from two thousand and ten.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you touch this puppy right here. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: don't have them present. You have maybe you have one

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Speaker 1: this Celebrity Game All Star Game m v P by

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Speaker 1: shutting you down. I had five points seven fouls. I

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Speaker 1: of Fame. It's a very simple question. I'd rather have that.

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Speaker 1: You'd rather have this puppy right here? I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: that right there? That looks very very nice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I see you staring at this. As soon as you

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Speaker 1: But but but now, yeah, you you probably knocked some

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Speaker 1: remember correctly the first first game. Let's let's let's back

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Speaker 1: the first player of the game, I got the ball three.

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Speaker 1: Don't walk out on this interview. I know I'm bringing

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Speaker 1: up bad memories, but this is what happened. The first

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Speaker 1: Now it's the beginning of the Celebrity All Star Game game.

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Speaker 1: You should be deem me up. You're on me. I

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Speaker 1: stepped back, banged the three, and then I said, all night, baby,

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Speaker 1: all night. That's what I said. I said, all night, baby,

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Speaker 1: all night. He's doing exactly what I want to do

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Speaker 1: right now, he's talking about my dog. Do not remember

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Speaker 1: me banging that three? And then and then and then consequently.

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Speaker 1: What happened was I think on the next play, you

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Speaker 1: one of two free throws. Now, you've played a lot

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Speaker 1: shouldn't even be allowed? Five points, seven rebounds, seven thousands

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Speaker 1: I'm on an NFL player complaining about the files. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: But before we go, I'll let you come just puppy,

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Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of trophies. You can you can

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Speaker 1: have that one, alright. That's this is your claim to

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Speaker 1: going absolutely So you're in this season's Yes with the Stars,

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars season. Um, they've done some unprecedented things.

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Speaker 1: When I tell you, dancing is by far, probably the

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Speaker 1: most hardest thing I've done since playing football, BRO, trust me,

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Speaker 1: is is no joke. I lost like eight to nine pounds.

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Speaker 1: did it bring up any old football injuries? Oh dude,

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Speaker 1: my hip flexor my growing dude, you definitely. This is

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Speaker 1: what production needs to start doing, is allowing not only

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Speaker 1: is producing a good show, not that it's not. But again,

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I have so much respect for the dancers

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Speaker 1: that I've been able to make within these within these

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Speaker 1: two months. Dude, it was remarkable, just an amazing experience.

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Speaker 1: You're not in NFL shape right now, but right it

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Speaker 1: got you in shape right exactly. I mean, don't really

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Speaker 1: get out of shape, No, I think they wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: that you had probably had it, probably a couple of

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Speaker 1: would start, Bro, I dipped my My weight dipped all

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Speaker 1: the way down to two hundred and eight pounds, and

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Speaker 1: I hadn't weighed that since I left college. That was

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Speaker 1: on our team, but we played with guys that know

424
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Speaker 1: how to play the game. We beat them eight to

425
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: seventy seven. Full yeah, full court. And when I was bawling,

426
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: guess what I was asking how A Harrington? I said, hey,

427
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: what about that Big three action? He was laughing. After

428
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: the game, he goes, hey, I'm gonna send a message

429
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: to Cube. I had twenty one. Now you gotta you

430
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: know the Big Three. I'm just I'm the rover reporter.

431
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: I know it's good. I know they're very physical. He

432
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: he told me during the game, I'm at the free

433
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: throw line and I'm across. I'm across from from Al

434
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: and one of my buddies was at the free throw

435
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: line and I'm and I mean, I'm bawling out. So

436
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm like, Al, what's up with that

437
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: Big three actions? Know, he's laughing at me. This is

438
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the game. I'm still I'm starting

439
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: to ball out and hit the three. A couple of threes.

440
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm dishing dimes, you know what i mean. I'm like

441
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: the Lebron or our team. I'm like, I'm being very versatile.

442
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm in the post, I'm out on the wing, I'm

443
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: in transition. I'm making stuff happen. We had the free

444
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: throw line, I said, Big I said, hey, what's up

445
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: with that big three action? He's laughing now he goes,

446
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: you know what, I might have to call cube and

447
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: put put a coin come to the combine because no, no, no, no,

448
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: that's cool. That's kind of combine. Is this dude? Last

449
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: year was I think players real dudes, they wanted to play.

450
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: They don't. I understand that, but they don't offer the

451
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: cache that I'm bringing. I understand those guys you got

452
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: they gotta see what you got. You gotta see if

453
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: you get trafted on the team. Word amount like Rochard mckinns,

454
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: all those guys, they've seen me play, and I understand,

455
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: like they say, come to the combine. A you're gonna

456
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: come to the combine. If I need to come to

457
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: the coub I have to come to the combent. I

458
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: get that. But word amount sometimes that's that's all that

459
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: it needs to be said. People know that I can play,

460
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: played the game, but you still have to come to

461
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: the combine. Okay, if if that's what it needs. But

462
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: are you are you trying to sell? Is this a

463
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: business or what you're trying to do? Is this business

464
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: or what what are we doing? I'm there for the

465
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: competitive spirit, just competition. Are you are? Are there trying

466
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: to really establish a business? Here handles the business exactly?

467
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking from the business personal I got that I got.

468
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna want to see just because I'm there, I'm

469
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: offering a lot more cash than some some dude that

470
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: may have played in college or overseas. But what if

471
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: that dude played in college overseas, is like he's better

472
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: than t O, and he's like, yo, coming maybe better,

473
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: but nobody don't know him. So but we gotta see

474
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: you come to the combine. No body knows him. Are

475
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: you nervous about the combine? Not? What is what it

476
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: might be nervous about. We run a couple of driels,

477
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: we do three on threes. They're gonna see if you're

478
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: in shape. Who knows if you're just a look fantastic. Yeah,

479
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: of course saying at this point too, at this point,

480
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: we don't know what you could do. I'm saying you're

481
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: saying you played with the Maybe we go on SAT me,

482
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: you have a hundred yard dash? Can you beat me? Now? Me?

483
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Michael Rapport a hundred yard dash? I locked you up

484
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: in a celebrity game seven years ago. I can't even

485
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: believe you even asked that n coming out here. Okay, fine, fine,

486
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make sure we say listen, I personally

487
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: think t O should be able to come to the

488
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: comedies and professional, high level, elite athlete. We see what

489
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: you got, absolutely absolutely all right because the physicality. Of

490
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: course your football player, so we know you, we know

491
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: you could take the physicality. Yeah, I mean, I trust me.

492
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: They let a lot go on in three on three,

493
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: then they will regular real NBA game. Yes, it's almost

494
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: like street ball. They toned it down, do you know

495
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: what I In the beginning, no bull crap. I thought

496
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: Big three. I was like, Yo, there's gonna be a fight.

497
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: But they made the rules where it's you can hand check,

498
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: but you can't body check, like they you nervous about

499
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: the physicality, because I seemed like maybe you're nervous just

500
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: about the physicality. I saw. I was there at the

501
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: championship game in Las ve I I saw, trust me, dude,

502
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: it was a lot of bumping in grind it and

503
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: I see you blushing a little bit like the physicality.

504
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: He let me tell you something. It was a lot

505
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: of bumping, grinding going on. Yes, a little bit more

506
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: than R Kelly. Then yes, they were definitely more than

507
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: R Kelly. All right, well, listen, I would love to

508
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: see you, to see you be a part of the

509
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Big Three. I can tell you something about the Big

510
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: Three that as far I listen, I'm not a player,

511
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: but I was there. But the thing that was the

512
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: best thing about it, and you would enjoy this. Those

513
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: guys had so much fun. No, no, no, I saw

514
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: that just the atmosphere. It's different watching it in person

515
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: versus watching it on team Again, like I said, there

516
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: were Like I said, I saw the Big Three. I

517
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: know when it started, so I recorded some of the games,

518
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: and then when I saw it in person, it gave

519
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: me a whole different perspective on how physical the game.

520
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: You pertically, you can't really tail watching it from TV.

521
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Do you think I want to hear your opinion on this?

522
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Obviously you you can't make for short. I don't think

523
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: this game will ever happen, but I would love to

524
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: see it as a basketball fan because of the Alonzo

525
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: ball factor. Last Summer League in the NBA, there was

526
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: so much hype on NBA Summer League basketball, and you know,

527
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: we could sit here and sound like oh old school,

528
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: old school, old school. But the NBA itself, the regular season,

529
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: especially here we are in in the early part of

530
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: the season in November, the defense is so lackluster. But

531
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: the NBA Summer League was pathetic. And I said, if

532
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: you took the best dudes from the Big Three, let

533
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: them get in shape, took the best dudes from the

534
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: NBA Summer League, who would win based on what you know?

535
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I agree? I agree because my thing is too obviously

536
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: with knowing that Alonzo Ball won the m v P

537
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: of Summer League and seeing how he's playing now, it

538
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: doesn't add up. Well, what do you think of the

539
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: whole the whole thing of him in terms of what

540
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: his father did, because right I think he's put it,

541
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: he's put him, put his son in a difficult situation,

542
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and I think now his son is second guessing himself,

543
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: probably as a basketball player, and what he can offer,

544
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: because now he's listening to it. If you're an athlete,

545
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna listen to the critics. You're gonna listen to

546
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: what people say about you, whether it's good or bad,

547
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: whether you want to or not. And I don't really

548
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: think he's really playing up to his potential. You know,

549
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: because there's there's been so much hoop law around his

550
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: dad and him pumping him up. And then now with

551
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: the latest incident, you know, his his brother going over

552
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: to China, you know, get caught stealing. That's a lot

553
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: for the ball family to be having right now. And

554
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: then they were doing the whole you know, Balling Balling

555
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Family or whatever the reality show. That's a lot to

556
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot for a kid at that age, a lot

557
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: on his plate. And so I don't really think he's

558
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: really playing up to his potential because of all the

559
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: extracurriculus that his dad had provided. I agree, And you know,

560
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about LaVar and you know, and

561
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, I talked with my smack, but I was like,

562
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm like, yo, I mean, you know

563
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: what the father did it. The father did it. He

564
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: put that bulls down. He don't know what he thought

565
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: from the game, the first game where you saw when

566
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: they played Patrick, that's what guys are gonna be doing. Now.

567
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: They're gonna be gunning for him. So LaVar easy, he's

568
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: gonna fold, He's gonna tak or he's gonna to grow

569
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: up real fast. Otherwise, again, they're gonna kill his confident,

570
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna take his confidence from him. And that's either.

571
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know if he has that

572
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Kobe mentality. I don't see it at this very moment.

573
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's gonna click at some point, but I know

574
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: that if if, if, if, if being that what we

575
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: witnessed with Kobe, if that's Kobe, Kobe is going into

576
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: the lab. Whatever he's doing, he's going into that mentality.

577
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: He's going into some part of his psyche, and he's

578
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: not gonna tolerate guys coming at him every night. At

579
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: some point, you're gonna have to ball up. You got

580
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: to put your jock strapper on and be ready to ball.

581
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I it's you know what the

582
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: crazy thing is, the thing that happened with his brother,

583
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: It would have been a blip. It wouldn't have been

584
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: a national news story had it not been if it

585
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: had been any other rookie. It could have been Darren

586
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: Fox's brother, it could have been, but anyway, it would

587
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: have been like so and so's brother. But because of

588
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: the father, it became literally front page. And that's that's

589
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: what comes with you having a name or you've been

590
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: a celebrity, not even just basketball, but when you have

591
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: a posse, when you with a group of people, it'd

592
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: be like if you and your homies went out somewhere

593
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: and you guys got in a brawl down the street

594
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: at at the seven and eleven, or your boys stole something.

595
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna be your boy stough something is Michael

596
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: Rapp reports stole something When I when I heard about

597
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: it was the Angelo ball blah blah and these other

598
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: two kids. I didn't even know who the other two

599
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: kids were because all that all the main person notified

600
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: or you know, named, was li Angelo Ball. Yeah, it's

601
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: crazy based on all the hoop law and the bulls.

602
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I just him blasting this ball, this ball, that big

603
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: ball of brand. He is basically doing a disservice really

604
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: to his son by bringing all this unwanted and unnecessary attention,

605
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, to the family. Now, when when you were

606
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: in your prime in NFL, there wasn't the social media,

607
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: and right as I was leaving that's when you know,

608
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: we had my Space and then but nothing. You would

609
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: have been a hashtag, you would have been you would

610
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: have broke Twitter a couple of times. You almost broke

611
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: Twitter before Twitter with with your stuff. Now, oh my god.

612
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: You can imagine when I went to the Dallas Star

613
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: that would have been like Kim Kardashian's asked right with Twitter.

614
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: With the social media platforms that we have now, in

615
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: addition to my Space and Twitter, we have Snapchat, we

616
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: got Instagram, we got everything you can do. You were

617
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: ahead of the curban sort of branding yourself. But one

618
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: of the things that I was always fascinated about your

619
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: career was the first time you because I'm I'm a

620
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Giants fan, right, so the first time I really paid

621
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: attention to you and like saw you and like you.

622
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I knew you were good your It was your rookie season,

623
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I believe the catch against Green Bay, right, yeah, that

624
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: was my It was my rookie that was like my

625
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: third year in the league. It was your third. It

626
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: was earlier yet, my third year in the league. But

627
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: that that catch. It was the playoffs, right, and was

628
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: John Madden was calling the game and you were so

629
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: emotional and liked in the past summer all and I

630
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: remember they were like, this is what it's all about,

631
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: cause you were like you were crying genuine tears, like

632
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and it wasn't It wasn't any showed like it was

633
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: like I remember being like, yo, this guy, this is

634
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: what I remember mad At saying this is what it's

635
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: all about. And I remember being like this. I was

636
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: just like I was like I like this guy. I

637
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: like this guy t O. And then after that, it

638
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: was like there was no more. There was never any

639
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: were crying, There was never any more sort of no

640
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: like outward show of humility. Was that conscious? Did that changed? Like?

641
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: Like no, I was always the same person. What you

642
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: saw was a real genuine spirit. That was me really

643
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: just feeling the emotion because earlier in the early in

644
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: the game of the game, I had basically I let

645
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: the team down. You dropped a few paths like I'm

646
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: a team guy. Whether people saw that or they heard

647
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: that or not, I've always been a team guy. And

648
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: I'll say that to the day that I died. Based

649
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: on media portrayal, people had an understanding of me that

650
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: I was selfish, I was arrogant, and I was cocky.

651
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Outside of those lines, bro, I'm a human being. You know,

652
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: That's how I was raised, you know what I mean?

653
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: So for me, I knew what I had invested you know,

654
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: during the course of the off season to be put

655
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: in a position to make plays to help my team win.

656
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: So I felt a big, huge letdown when I didn't

657
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: come through. So that was just really a sign of

658
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: relief of emotion when I caught that ball, because up

659
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: to this point I had stunk up the game. I

660
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: was literally the goat in a negative sense of the game.

661
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't the great. I was a goat of the

662
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: game at this point in time. So that was that

663
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: X show and that expression of emotion that my team

664
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: really meant something to me. And that's what people saw.

665
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: Even after that, Like I said, I mean, I still

666
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: like I showed emotion when I was in Dallas. This

667
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: was what year what nine or ten ten, when I

668
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: basically I went to Tony's Tony Romo's defense because the

669
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: media blamed him for going on vacation with Justice right

670
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: right right before the playoffs, and I was hurt and

671
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: I came back, and they blamed the loss on Romo

672
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: because he took some days off and went on vacation.

673
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, even if it

674
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: was you, Mike, you're my teammate, I'm gonna go to

675
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: back for you, you my brother, it doesn't matter. That's

676
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: how I felt. So if you had somebody attacking you,

677
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: you're attacking me. So then there wasn't It wasn't a

678
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: conscious effort to do something just just to put me

679
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: in a in a good light. Bro. That was me

680
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: coming from a real, genuine, real place. Because in the NFL,

681
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: that's what got some guys that get up and they say,

682
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: we're a family, it's a brotherhood. I truly meant that.

683
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: So we're in the locker room, we're sharing, you know,

684
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: a number of days and hours and a season together.

685
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: Then we're all in it together. So if we win together,

686
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: we lose together. So I didn't take too kindly to

687
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: the media trying to point point the loss and put

688
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: it on his shoulder. Although when you were a quarterback,

689
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: you have to be able to shoulder that. But at

690
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: that point in time, I felt like I was a

691
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: leader on our team as well, even though I wasn't

692
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback. There are things that I possibly felt like

693
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: I could have done better, but I was just coming

694
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: off an injury. I rehab myself back just so I

695
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: could play in that game when I don't know what

696
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: the score was, but we had an opportunity to win

697
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: the game and we lost. And I didn't like the

698
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: fact that the media was trying to blame it on

699
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the fact that he went, which was some weeks ago.

700
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. As long as you come you, you

701
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: show up again. We win as a team and we

702
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: lose as a team. Did you like? I mean you

703
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: talk about leadership when you look back at your career,

704
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: what is a good leader? Like straight up? Like when

705
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: you look back at you like they say t O

706
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: s team, or they say Tony Romo's team, or they

707
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: say Cam Newton team whoever it is, or they say

708
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's teaming, or he's the leader. He's not a

709
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: good leader. Kyrie is too quiet to be a leader.

710
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: Alonzo Bold, what what is a leader of a football team? Like?

711
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: What is what? And who are the leaders that you've

712
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: played played with? And when did you become a leader? Well?

713
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: I think certain certain positions dictate leadership because they gonner

714
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: so much responsibility, and with responsibility, whether you win or

715
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: lose in your action, you have to be accountable for

716
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: those So when you think of a quarterback or a

717
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: point guard or a certain star on a team, then

718
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of responsibilities that come with that, and

719
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: some people they adapt well to it. They they embrace it,

720
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: and some don't. Um. You think about guys like Kobe

721
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: or Check these are these are leaders. They lead in

722
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: their own little ways. We don't know what they're like

723
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: in practices, you know, behind the camera, you know. I

724
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: mean we're not exposure that every day, you know, practice

725
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: habits of how a person may lead. Me personally, I

726
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: wasn't that. I wasn't vocal. Um. I see a lot

727
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: of people be like, you weren't vocal. You always talk,

728
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: you you never shot away, but as a player, you

729
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: weren't vocal. I was passionate. You saw that was that

730
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: was passion that was being being shown, you know, on

731
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: the sidelines, or it was only when it was It

732
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: was really only on the sideline, if you think about it.

733
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I never really talked a lot of trash in between

734
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: the lines. That's not your thing, No, dude, I I've

735
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: I've done that and I've tried to do that, and

736
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: I was so gassed. I was like, I can't do

737
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: this the whole entire game. I mean, you got tired, Yeah,

738
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: I got just tired trying to play the game and

739
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: y'all back and forth with somebody. I almost passed out

740
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: trying to do that one game, so I had I got.

741
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: I got so over exerting that I was like, no, this,

742
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: this is I can't do this. Ken Norton was good

743
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: at it because he practiced. He did it in practice,

744
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: and he did it in the game. And I try

745
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: to talk trash to some guys doing like like the

746
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: first couple of minutes, dude, I was gass. I had

747
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: to tap myself, like give me a breather. But back

748
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: to your appointment. Think about leaders like I led by example,

749
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: understanding that certain guys are put in positions to lead,

750
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about quarterbacks and you know stars

751
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: of the team, people that handle the ball, you know,

752
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: like point guards, guys that are looked to rise up,

753
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion when they're counting on you. These

754
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: are guys that are put in position to lead, and

755
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: it's up to that individual as to whether they embraced

756
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: that or not. When you think about it. I just

757
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: saw something about KD did something I guess I don't

758
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: know was Players Tribune or something, and he was saying

759
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: that he's not a leader. He almost kind of reminds

760
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: me of when Charles Barkley said, he's not a role mom.

761
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: You're in this position, you're in a position to lead,

762
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: and he said he felt he feels uncomfortable being a

763
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: leader telling people to follow behind me, following suit. And

764
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that, because the thing

765
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: is problem with what he said. Yeah, I don't have

766
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: a problem with that because he leads by example and

767
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: there's enough guys on that team to shoulder that leadership.

768
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: You think about leaders exactly, You think about Draymond, not

769
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: only Steph who's the start of team. You think about

770
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and it's been said andre Igodaldin, he's that father figure.

771
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: He holds things together. There are people there he doesn't

772
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: have to he doesn't have to shoulder the load of

773
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: being a leader. And I think in in Okay see,

774
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was like in Okay See,

775
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: but you can see that there was there was something missing.

776
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: There was there was a disconnect with him, maybe coaching

777
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: management or whatever, or maybe it was a disconnect with

778
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: him and Russ as who's the leader of the team.

779
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: But when you have people that embrace the moment, and

780
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna see it coming and going into the playoffs

781
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: we just mentioned alluded to okay See and Carmelo Russell,

782
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Paul George. You're gonna see when they get deep into

783
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, how how unselfish, however, however far they go,

784
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: would depend on how unselfish those guys agree. In your career,

785
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: who would you say are the best leaders that you

786
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: played with on your team's whether it's defensively like where

787
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: you were, like, that's a fucking guy like that that

788
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: can the truths notably coming right off my head. I'm

789
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: thinking Philadelphia Eagles. I'm thinking that team. I'm thinking Brian Dawkins.

790
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Brian Dawkins. And there are guys that are

791
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: put in positions to lead and sometimes they just they

792
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: faked the phone, you know what I mean. And I'm

793
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: not really too keen on guys like that. Don't do

794
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: it when you know eyes are on. You do it

795
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: when you're not supposed to be You know when when

796
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: when when you're accounting, when you're counting on by your teammates.

797
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Don't just do it because somebody's watching or you you

798
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: know somebody, somebody's expecting you to do certain things. If

799
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: you're a leader, is gonna come off genuine, It's gonna

800
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: come off authentic. That's what real leaders do, does it.

801
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Does a good quarterback have to be someone who's vocal? No,

802
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: not at all? Who example? I don't think like, for example,

803
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: a good the back that I feel like that's that

804
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: wasn't vot A's Kurt Warner, you know what I mean.

805
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: He seems like a quiet guy. But I think he

806
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: led by example, you know what I mean? And I

807
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: think the way that he cared himself like right, and

808
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: people saw that, even just the way that he lived

809
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: his life. I think people respect that. That's so like

810
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: the sign of a leader. I think when you can

811
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: gravitate to someone and you see that there's a level

812
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: of success that they're having, then you look to that

813
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: person as a leader. You know, man, I want to

814
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: That's how I want to be, you know what I mean.

815
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I want to follow those same footsteps. You know, you

816
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: have people that learn from their their mistakes, and nobody's

817
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: perfect by any means. Um I think another leader would

818
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: be I mean, even with the Niners, I would have

819
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: to say um Merton Hanks, um Or or Steve Young

820
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: Steve what Steve wasn't vocal? Most of the defensive guys

821
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: on our team at that time. Those were the vocal

822
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: guys um like Ken Norton, Um, Dana stubble Field, guys

823
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: of that name. You're um offensively, like I said, you know,

824
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Steve didn't really say a whole lot. I mean, I

825
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: think you think about Jerry, Rice and Steve, those guys,

826
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: their actions spoke louder than words. Right now, I hear

827
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: you because because I think a lot of times when

828
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: we think as a fan and me, you know, I

829
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: like I talk a lot, but like you think, the

830
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: leader has to be the guy who talks to most,

831
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: who's the loudest, or who's like, come on, let's go,

832
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: let's go. And you're saying sometimes to come on, let's go,

833
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: let's go. Guy. It's it's it's not necessarily uh, it's

834
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: not really real, right yeah, I mean some guys it's

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: like they call it false enthusiasm, that false leadership. Don't

836
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: just do it day of the game, you just because

837
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, a leader is gonna lead you through through

838
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: every facet of the season, you know what I mean, practice,

839
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, outside of practice, and you'll see it, you

840
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They embody um or possess what

841
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: a leader is supposed to be about. Listen, you want

842
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: to be a hero. Do you want to be a hero.

843
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: With d k MS, you can actually be a hero.

844
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Speaker 1: to save another person's life. No bullshit. What do you

866
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Speaker 1: think of the league this year so far? Celebrations they're

867
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: they're letting it dude, Like it's like you and Chad

868
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: and you guys set it off and then they took

869
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: it away. Right, But these were old school guys that

870
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: were and us calling commentators or whatever they were, they

871
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: were commentating on the games. These are old school guys

872
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: that basically said that we were disgraced to the game.

873
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Billy white shoes. Johnson was right, But again, whatever I

874
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: think can shuffle my celebration wasn't distasteful or tinkered with

875
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game. I agree everything that I did,

876
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: I try to literally just I tried to have fun,

877
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: bring a level or a sense of entertainment to the game.

878
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: Once I started to realize my skill set and really

879
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: just really just know that I was able to perform

880
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: and really produce for my team, then once I scored it,

881
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: I did something great. That's when I started to think

882
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: about really kind of like not really branding myself, but

883
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: bringing an element of entertainment, really really performing to what

884
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: people come to the stands for and pay their hard

885
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: money for, not just to watch us throw the ball

886
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: around score, but they want to see another layer of excitement,

887
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: and that's what I tried to bring with my touchdown celebrations.

888
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: I agree. And you know you said, you know, the

889
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: thing that you just said was interesting because you said,

890
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: once you realize that your skill was at a certain level,

891
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: you were like comfortable enough to have more fun. Like

892
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: we're coming up to celebrate dudes now in football and basketball?

893
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: What's are my two sports? Everybody? And a lot of

894
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: it has to do with this Instagram social media. They

895
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: come in with five million followers and they think, oh,

896
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna make a goddamn difference when you're a professional athlete,

897
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 1: and it's almost like putting the cart before the horse.

898
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Don't think you have just like you said, millions million followers,

899
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Speaker 1: that that's gonna translate to your level of success on

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Speaker 1: the football field. Because Instagram, though, so that ain't paying

901
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: your bills. That is not paying your bills. Instagram ain't

902
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: getting you open on that slant route, absolutely not. And

903
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: that's where I think a lot of guys, and I

904
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: think you're basically touching on it, where a lot of

905
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: guys they're they're not prioritizing really what they're in the

906
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: National Football League for. That's that fame, that extra stuff

907
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: social media, that's gonna come. But you gotta be able

908
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: to produce. It's gonna come if you're if you're at

909
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: that level right, you can't force it down everyone's throat.

910
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to produce on that football field.

911
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: And for me, the fear of just not making it,

912
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: that's what enabled me to really try to get myself

913
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Speaker 1: better as a receiver. You had that fear when you

914
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: first come, right, dude, I didn't want number one. I

915
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: got drafted third, third round, eighty nine pick. After I

916
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: got in the league my first couple of years and

917
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: a thought I saw a couple of top draft picks

918
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Speaker 1: get cut. I knew that that was no different. I'm

919
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm in the third round, so I'm definitely just as expendable.

920
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: So but I was drafted and at the position that

921
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: I was, knowing that they drafted me on potential, A

922
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Speaker 1: lot of the measurables I had to height the size.

923
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Speaker 1: That's why the San Francisco drafted me because that was

924
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Speaker 1: what they drafted in terms of their receiving corps. They

925
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: drafted tall, lanky, you know, big receivers, and it was

926
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Speaker 1: up to me to really better myself to give them

927
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Speaker 1: what they drafted, what they invested in. So so you're cool,

928
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: You're happy. I'm having fun with it. To the celebrations

929
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: this season, yeah, I mean, something a little over over

930
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: the top, give me a great a critiqueous celebrate a

931
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: little corny. If you follow me on Instagram, I I

932
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: saw I saw in the CFL the Ottawa Red Blacks

933
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: they did a touchdown celebration that the limbo that was created.

934
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Speaker 1: That was crazy. That was crazy creative. That's what I

935
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Speaker 1: like to see. You know, some of the stuff like

936
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Speaker 1: sag and potato raised. Come on, it's a little corny,

937
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean, but I get it. I understand. There's camaraderie.

938
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Speaker 1: Guys are you know, getting together, they're celebrating together. It's fun.

939
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: But again, like I said, it's all about creativity, right,

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00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And if I was playing,

941
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: there's I'm telling what I would be doing because like

942
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: I said, my right right, my wills will be turning.

943
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Like I would try to outdo myself. I would try

944
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: to one up my celebration week the week when when

945
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: you were going through all the scrutiny in Dallas and

946
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Speaker 1: the holdout and you know, and then the sit ups

947
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: and like were you ever going like things had gotten

948
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: too far? Sometimes like I'll do things and I'll go, oh,

949
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't want to take it. That

950
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: might be a lot of times for you. I see

951
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: something of the staff you post and I'm like, what

952
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: did he just say that? Is he really saying this

953
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: right now? Saying it? But like, how is this guy surviving?

954
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: This guy got to walk around with a bodyguard. He

955
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: can't say that. But did you, like, did you ever

956
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like shit? Hand? This is when I realized that

957
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: I my my football status had really gotten on another level. Um,

958
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: I didn't hold out, But there was a situation where

959
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: when I was with Philly, I was in training camp

960
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: and co sent me home, sent me home. I think

961
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Speaker 1: it was a disagreement about something. You and the coach

962
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: had a disagreement. We had to disagree. Is it like

963
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: a football disagreement or like why are you wearing you know,

964
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: blue and green? Did I give you the scenario I

965
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: had missed a couple of practice because I've a growing issue.

966
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: They knew of my growing issue, which was chronic. Prior

967
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: to coming from from from San Francisco, I had I

968
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: had hernia surgery or whatever. And so when I got

969
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: with the Eagles, and to read like he's one of

970
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: the he's the best coach that I've ever had by

971
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: the way, okay finished best, but he it was like

972
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: having a like me with the Eagles. It was like

973
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: him getting a Christmas toy having me with that. So

974
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: he basically almost ran me back into the surgery because

975
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: my body couldn't recover as much as he wanted me.

976
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: He wanted me on every play, and you wanted to

977
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: be there for This is what happened. I was in

978
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: training camp. It got to a point that I almost

979
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: reinjured my myself because I was running every play. I

980
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: wasn't able to recover. He was basically running me into

981
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: the ground, and so it got to the point that

982
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: I end up having uh to take some days off

983
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: to rehab. So during the time that I was supposed

984
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: to be rehabbing, every different day they have positions to

985
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: go out and sign an autograph for the fans and

986
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: so on this particular, I was doing rehab and I

987
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: needed to rehab my growing but he wanted me to

988
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: go out and sign autographs for the fans. Coach, yeah,

989
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: the coach did. So my thing was, look, my health

990
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: is more important, not to shun the fans, but I'm like, yo,

991
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure my fans would appreciate the fact that

992
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get healthy and get back on the

993
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: field so we can try to get back to the

994
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl. But that was the disagreements. He wanted me

995
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: to go sign autographs and I wanted to go to

996
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: the training room to rehab, and so we got into

997
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: a shouting match right there in front of everybody. Ever, look,

998
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: my health is more important than going out signing some autops.

999
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: I can sign some autographs at any That was my mindset.

1000
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: But he felt like, because we had that disagreement right

1001
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: there in front of it, that I was being insubordinate

1002
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: and I was talking. But I'm like, no, like we

1003
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: could have talked like grown men. But I understand where

1004
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm coming from. Like, dude, I think this this is

1005
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: the second year I had just come off the Super Bowl.

1006
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: I had basically risked my my health playing in the

1007
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with two screws in the plate, signed a

1008
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: waiver to do that. So I'm like, okay, I know

1009
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: what's more important to me, my help, right, And so

1010
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: that's where the disagreement happened. And so it was also

1011
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: stemming that going into the training camp, we were talking

1012
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: about possibly holding out because I felt like I was

1013
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: I should have been paid more based on what I

1014
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: had done in the Super Bowl prior. So there was

1015
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: a little tension in that. So that's where again he

1016
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: basically suspended me, basically told me to go home. So

1017
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: to your point, I know him a little long winning No, no, no,

1018
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: it's I get sent home by the time, and I'm like,

1019
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe an hour or so away from

1020
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: from Lehigh to Philly to Moorestown where I live. I

1021
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: didn't even it didn't even dawn on me. I got

1022
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: my stuff, went to my room, got my stuff, drove home.

1023
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm at my I get to my house. I don't

1024
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: know how much time passed by, and the next thing

1025
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in my house. But I hear helicopters,

1026
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think nothing of it. I hear the helicopter.

1027
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, I hear a knock at

1028
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: my door, my door bur ring, So I look out

1029
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: the window. Dude, I see news trucks posted up outside

1030
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: my house. That's when I knew bro I was becoming

1031
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: a rock star right before my eyes, more than probably

1032
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: than I anticipated. So when everybody saw the sit ups

1033
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: in the in the driveway, I literally didn't know how

1034
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: to react or respond to everything. So I just tried

1035
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: to have fun with it. That's why I made the joke.

1036
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's like, what are you gonna

1037
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: do while the team is is practice? I said, well,

1038
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, he told me to work out, so I

1039
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: was doing apps. I'm like, oh, so I'm I'm doing

1040
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: what he asked me to do, so I'm working out.

1041
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: So that was me trying to make light of a

1042
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: situation that I really wasn't prepared for. I got you.

1043
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: I got you, and you know what I said this

1044
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: before who you are to me? And the first time

1045
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 1: I met you after the Celebrity game which I shut

1046
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: you down. I remember this clearly, and and this is

1047
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: closer to the time when you were playing and there

1048
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: was all this stuff around you, but I remember I

1049
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: saw you in the lobby of a hotel early morning

1050
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: at that NBA weekend, and and you were with my

1051
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: kids and I actually said I gotta go to the bathroom,

1052
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: and you said you could leave them here. They're good

1053
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: and you came back. They were just chit chatting with you.

1054
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: They knew who you were, but they were young. But

1055
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: like you could, I always just like, this is a

1056
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: good dude. And and going back to that Green Bay

1057
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: catching that emotion, I always felt like I wanted to

1058
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: be like, yo, man, let them see who you are,

1059
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: because I felt like it was like your your persona

1060
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: at the time got in the way of the good

1061
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: dude like and people like he's arrogant, he's this, he's

1062
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: all that. And I always remember being like I want

1063
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: right but that. But that's the thing when people missing.

1064
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: The train is going though so fast exactly, And so

1065
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: people jumped on that train that I was a bad guy,

1066
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: that I was arrogant. They knew nothing about me, They

1067
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: knew nothing about how I was raised. How how did

1068
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: you come up? Where did you come up? Alexander City, Alabama?

1069
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: My grandmother raised me. Um again, what is Alexander City, Alabama? Like,

1070
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's literally black and white. When I tell you,

1071
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: like literally that there was there's no diversity. Literally, I

1072
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: grew up in a town whereas nothing but black people

1073
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: and white people. So that's how I was raised. And

1074
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: so my grandmother, she she grew up in a time

1075
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: where her her mom and dad and her family members

1076
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: they picked cotton. So these are that's how we were raised.

1077
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: You know, she was raised very very strict. So guess what,

1078
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: that's how she raised us. And so again I know

1079
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: for a fact that I'm not I'm not a bad person.

1080
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not as bad my character is in tech. And

1081
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: you think about and I even I just had this

1082
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: conversation just the day the other day with with with

1083
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: with some people. Even you think about Dunnavan and people

1084
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: like that when they put them on a pedestal and

1085
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: they put them on and they think very highly of them,

1086
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they're out of the

1087
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: game and then their true colors really show up. You know,

1088
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: he had not to bring it up, but he's had

1089
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: d u Y. You think about Warren Sapp, you know,

1090
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: domestic violence. These are people that people adored, they thought

1091
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: very high lea when they played the game. But I

1092
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: was viewed very differently. You would have thought I was

1093
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: a thug. You would have thought I grew up in

1094
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: in in the roughest streets in in in l a

1095
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: or in in New York. You would have thought I

1096
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: came from that type of background based on what people

1097
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: were saying about me and the information that they were

1098
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: given about me. But like I said, that's why I've

1099
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: always been able to hold my head high and understand

1100
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, only God can

1101
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: really judge me. And so that's really how I've really

1102
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of carried my life and understanding that when and

1103
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: it's hard for me, I've tried to defend myself, but

1104
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: I have come to grips of myself to know that

1105
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: when someone has a committed understanding of who you are,

1106
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: then that's who they think you are. There's no need

1107
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: to You're wasting your breath trying to convince approve yourself

1108
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: to someone. So at the end of the day, when

1109
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: I look back the times that since I've been out

1110
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: of the league, there's been no issues, that's a credit

1111
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: to really how my grandmother raised me, how wass and

1112
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: really a credit to who I am as a person. Yeah,

1113
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're miss but but also like

1114
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: and not misunderstood. But I just always just like this

1115
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: is a good dude. Like I always got the wink wink,

1116
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: and I always got I just felt like shick. Like

1117
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: you're saying you get home. There's helicopters out there, Like

1118
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: there's no there's no manual for that, there's no we're

1119
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: not working out in the preparing what you were. You

1120
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: weren't hiding from the attention. No. Again, I started to

1121
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: embrace it, and some of them, like I said, I'm

1122
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not perfect. I've made mistakes along the way.

1123
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: There were I made some poor choices I wish I

1124
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: could have And it was and and again it was

1125
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: really everything that I did or didn't do. It's not

1126
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: a crutch or it's not me just saying this, but

1127
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it was due to how I was raised,

1128
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: how I was brought up, or the lack of I

1129
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: was raised in a family, you know, uh, with two women,

1130
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: my mom and my grandmother. I didn't have a dad,

1131
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have a father figure, you know what I mean.

1132
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: So some of those things were basically a result of that.

1133
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: All right, that's good stuff. I appreciate that now because

1134
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: because I tell you. You probably don't remember because you

1135
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: were just then, but I always remember you seeing all

1136
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: my kids and I ran and just when you came back,

1137
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: they were playing like they were like jumping on you

1138
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: or something. But I was like, you can tell what

1139
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: the dude is like, you know what I mean. But again,

1140
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: but then again, that's how I know how that's how

1141
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: media is. The media is they they They're there to

1142
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: serve a purpose. Some of it is good, but a

1143
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: lot of it is negative negativity sales. And that's what

1144
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: a lot of America gravitates when something bad happens. It's

1145
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: very seldom will they do something where it's heartfelt unless

1146
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: there was a PR strategy behind it. And again, I

1147
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: didn't really do a lot of things for PR. Like, dude,

1148
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of great things, you know, unbeknownst

1149
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. You know, I've donated money,

1150
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: I've done I've donated one of my game checks when

1151
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: what with the tsunami hit I was, I was with

1152
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles at the time. Nobody knew that I donated

1153
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: one of my game checks, which was over a Hunter grant,

1154
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: But nobody knew that. Like I've done stuff for the homeless, Bro,

1155
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: I know who I am as a person. So again

1156
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: I understand too how media what they will mislead you know,

1157
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: their audience. Do people think, like when was the last

1158
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: time you saw Donovan mcnap McNabb um. I don't know

1159
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: when the last time I saw him physically? Maybe it

1160
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: maybe it might have been last year at the Super Bowl,

1161
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistake, Are you guys cool or is

1162
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: it like cool like cool? I'm cool? Like I understand,

1163
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: like what went down in that in that situation, bro,

1164
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: whether there was jealousy or there was envy there on

1165
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: his behalf only he he gotta he gotta, he gotta

1166
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: live with that. By no means where I ever jealous

1167
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: of him or I hated him, you know, for for

1168
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: whatever reason. You know, it got to a point where

1169
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: I disliked some of his actions, you know, again, like

1170
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: said were in terms of leader when it came to

1171
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: the to the Eagles, he wouldn't be one of those guys,

1172
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: you know that, And that's why I mentioned Brian Dawkins.

1173
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: He was so like the heartbeat of that team, you know,

1174
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean and again, and he felt like he had

1175
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: to lead because he was a quarterback. Of the team.

1176
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make you a leader. I got you know,

1177
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean your action speed louder than words. So, like

1178
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: I said, I was there to witness and saw how

1179
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: he was owning off the field. Got so a lot

1180
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: of people that speculating. Again that was TMZ just you know,

1181
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: cornered me the other day and they asked me about

1182
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: who would I take, you know, wins Or or Donovan,

1183
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 1: And I said it Wins And I said it tongue

1184
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: in cheek. But at the end of the day, there

1185
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: are people still upset about me because I said that.

1186
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: But I know who I am. I know what I

1187
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: witnessed the year in seven games that I was there,

1188
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: So I based my answer on that, And so they

1189
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know that. They don't they weren't privy to everything

1190
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: that was happening during those years that I was there.

1191
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: They're only going by hearsay and what was written in

1192
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: the papers. Who is the quarterback that you played with?

1193
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: Even if in that a Pro Bowl that had the

1194
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: best thrower to a wide receiver who I played with,

1195
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, like, who's the best football thrower? Um,

1196
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have caught a pass, so

1197
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: or you know, play with Payton Manning or or or

1198
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady UM for that matter, UM, or even a

1199
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I don't think we were at the Pro

1200
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: bowled at the same time. UM. But the guys that

1201
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: I know that I played with it through nice balls.

1202
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: Everybody always asked me, who's the best quarterback that I

1203
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: played with? And I say this for a number of reasons.

1204
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, I know his career has been up and down,

1205
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: but when I played with him in Buffalo, he like

1206
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: there was a time where I wasn't even getting a

1207
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: ball thrown to me based on inexperience of Trent Edwards,

1208
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: who was the court starting quarterback at that time. And

1209
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: once he once Trent got hurt and Ryan Fitzpatrick got

1210
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, I was, I was able to flourish

1211
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: in which the reason of why they brought me there

1212
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: understanding that Lee Evans was the leading receiver prior to

1213
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: me getting there for however many years that he had

1214
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: been there. The same situation when I went to Cincinnati

1215
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: Bengals with Carson and Chad Johnson, they have been playing

1216
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: what eight like eight to ten years together. Chad had

1217
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: been the leading receiver every year. But why is it

1218
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: I come over there, maybe a month of training camp,

1219
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: go into the season, and I end up even missing

1220
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: a couple of games. Toward the end of the season,

1221
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: I end up being the leading receiver. Is that because

1222
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: of what I brought to the game, my intangibles. I

1223
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: was one of those guys when intended when you when

1224
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: you hear guys talk about that it factor. It's something

1225
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: about me when it's game time. It's one way to practice.

1226
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: I practiced the way that I I played the way

1227
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: that I practiced. You, I practiced hard. I knew that

1228
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: I had to duplicate and put in my mind game

1229
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: type situation practice. So when I was faced with it,

1230
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: and again most of them when I had dropped, it

1231
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: was because I had already played the game before I

1232
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: played it and I was trying to go without the ball.

1233
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: So most of my drops was because of that. Because

1234
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something with I want to do.

1235
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something spectacular because I knew I

1236
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: had the skill set anywhere on the football field at

1237
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: any given time, when the ball is in my hand,

1238
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: I know I can do something with it. In every

1239
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: team that I played on or they asked me to,

1240
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: or they traded for me, whatever the case may be.

1241
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: They knew that I was a play maker, a game changer.

1242
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: So when I was with Buffalo and I didn't play

1243
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: so well with Trent because he was inexperienced, he was

1244
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: going to people that he was comfortable with, and that

1245
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: was Lee Evans for however many years. But when I

1246
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: got with Trent Edwards, I end up being the leading

1247
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: receiver and I didn't even really give me That's what

1248
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean. When I with fitz Fitzpatrick, I wasn't even due.

1249
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: My stats weren't even they were shitty. So you but

1250
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: you would say that that would be the quarterback that

1251
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: he he Antony Romo throw throws some nice balls. Okay,

1252
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: all right, that's fair enough. When when you think back

1253
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: to the beginning of your career, work your ass off

1254
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: high school, you work ass college, you get drafted late

1255
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: in the third round, when you first got on an

1256
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: NFL field, what was that oh shit moment, Like, whether

1257
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: whether you were lining up against somebody or you were

1258
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: just like like, what was the thing that you say,

1259
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: like the first time that you were actually out there, Like,

1260
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, I asked Mudzy Bogs this question in basketball,

1261
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: because you know, like you guys dream, you know, and

1262
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: then you make it there. And he said, my first game,

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Speaker 1: I was out there with Magic Johnson and I had

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Speaker 1: to guard Magic and the Magic looked over me. He's

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Speaker 1: six nine, I'm five three, and he just chuckled. He goes,

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Speaker 1: I never forgot that. What was that moment where you

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: were like, I think it was preseason. I think we

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Speaker 1: may have been I think one of my first preseason games.

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Speaker 1: I think it may have been been San Diego or whatever,

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01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: and I just realized just the speed of the game.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was like anything that I had practiced like,

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Speaker 1: I just didn't. I just didn't feel it or since

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01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: it in practice as I did in the game. Bro

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: I literally felt like I was running in and in

1275
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: quick saying and everybody else was on the track field.

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01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: So I literally knew that after my first year, like

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: going into the off season, I had to do something

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01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: to bring my speed up with the speed of the game.

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Speaker 1: And so those are some of the things that I

1280
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: worked on, was my speed, you know, after my first year,

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh my my first couple of

1282
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: years or whatever, I'm like, man, these guys are big, fast,

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: and strong. And that's the difference when you go from

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01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: high school the college, and from college to the pros.

1285
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: That's why you're playing with the greatest athletes of all

1286
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: time when you get to the pros, because the talent

1287
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: weeds itself out, and that's why you have certain guys

1288
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: that are great at in high school. Certain guys are

1289
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: good in college, but then they may plateau, they may

1290
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: tap out, max out at the college level, and then

1291
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: they may have the talent to get to the pros.

1292
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: But then you're like, Okay, you're thinking just because they

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: were great in college, that they're gonna be great in

1294
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: the pros. For a prime example, think about Peter Work

1295
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 1: and what he did at Florida State. He was fan,

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: he was like, he was a highlight reel, but then

1297
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: when he got into the pros, he was just a

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01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: regular guy in a uniform. That's because everybody is just

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: as good and just as great and just as fast,

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: and so I had to bring up my level. My

1301
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: skill said, I mean, that's something that you work on.

1302
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: You can get better at whatever it is that that

1303
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: you're doing, you know, I mean, just like the podcast,

1304
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: we do this on a regular we don't get better

1305
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: and better. Now. That's how I did with the pros.

1306
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: When I got into the league, I saw that there

1307
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: was no there was no place for complacency. I knew

1308
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: in order to get on that level of Jerry Rice, dude,

1309
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: I had to work my butt off. I trust me.

1310
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: I had not only watched Jerry Rice, but whomever the

1311
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: receivers were. I watched everybody because I feel like I

1312
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: could grasp something from every receiver and and incorporated into

1313
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: my game to better myself. And that's what I did.

1314
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: I only not only just watched Jerry at practice, but

1315
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: I watched film. I watched how are themselves? I watched

1316
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: how he got open. I watched how he ran certain

1317
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: routes on certain defenders. And then I started to understand

1318
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: he started to play games in practice as he did

1319
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: in the game. Because every defender is gonna be different.

1320
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be faced with one defender and they're

1321
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: gonna play you the same way every week. You have

1322
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: to be able to play the game and understand they're

1323
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna be different tendencies, different techniques of every individual you're

1324
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna be faced. I started to learn that and grasp

1325
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: that even when quarterbacks even when Bill Walsh or Matt

1326
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh was back there talking to Steve Young, and I

1327
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: would be in an earshot distance and I would listen

1328
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: to him, like, you know, what are you looking for?

1329
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: Why did you throw the ball there? The West Coast

1330
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: offense is based on precision and timing. Steve Young is

1331
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: probably any quarterback at that position, they're gotta be. They

1332
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: very very smart. But the great ones they know how

1333
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: to decipher different matchups because dude, they got to know

1334
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: every route in the tree while got people breathing it

1335
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: down their neck. Knowing where to throw the ball, where

1336
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: to deliver the ball, and understanding everybody's run gate, Like

1337
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: my gate is different than Jerry's, you know what I mean?

1338
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: He has he has something within him some in the

1339
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: ability to understand when he's gonna break, when he's gonna

1340
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: come out of a break, and that comes with practice

1341
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: him what visually seeing how I run my body mechanics,

1342
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: knowing when I'm about to come out my break, or

1343
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: knowing when he needs to throw when I got another gear,

1344
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: I got you. Those are some of the things that

1345
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: I used to just sit back and just listen. Like

1346
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: when he talked to the quarterback coach or what have you,

1347
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I threw it here or I

1348
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: threw it here based on what I saw. These are

1349
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: some of the things that I never really talked about,

1350
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: probably to now, but these are some of the things

1351
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: that being in practice, I started to become a sponge.

1352
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't just at practice just to be at practice.

1353
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: Wasting time just got you know. I mean, that's how

1354
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: I became better each year. Who were the guys that

1355
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: we were gonna faces as corners or dbs that you

1356
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: were like, I gotta get an extra hour of sleep

1357
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: number not not not extra hours of sleep. Nobody never

1358
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: made me lose sleep, but I knew that I had

1359
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: to really come with my game. And early in my

1360
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: career that was a Nius weason when he was with

1361
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: the St. Louis Rams, and then he had another guy

1362
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: over there, Todd Light, and then dre blythe the young guy.

1363
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: Those guys again as I started to emerge and become

1364
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: a household name, and it really become a nightmare. Their

1365
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators may have lost some sleep because they knew

1366
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: what they were gonna get on Sundays, so they knew

1367
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: that it was gonna be it was gonna be a

1368
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: challenge for them. Whether I scared them or not, but

1369
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: they knew it was gonna be a challenge, not just

1370
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: when I was catching the ball, but even in the

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01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: run game. That's what I offered, and that's why I

1372
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: always say I'm the greatest next to Jerry Rice. I

1373
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: know where Randy standing statistically, but there are some things

1374
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: about his game that he didn't play. He didn't play

1375
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: the entire game the way it's supposed to be played,

1376
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: and that's a and that's a discredit to their coaches

1377
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: because their coaches allowed him to do it. We watched

1378
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: him where he wouldn't even come off the ball, he

1379
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't block for his running back. For me, I understand

1380
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: it's a team game. Whatever I did in the passing game,

1381
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 1: it enabled if I didn't get the ball, it enabled

1382
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: my other teammates to get the ball. And then if

1383
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: it's the running game, I knew that if I need

1384
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: to go get into safety to break my running back

1385
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: for you to get in to score, then that's what

1386
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. If I need to run backside and

1387
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: protect the backside, and if just in case, my running

1388
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: back great loose and I need to get in a

1389
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: position of springing for a touchdown. I've done that. All

1390
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: you gotta do is just watch film. That's why. That's

1391
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: when you really know that somebody is good for the game.

1392
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: And that's why you know the good from the great.

1393
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw names that you in current NFL Cam

1394
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: Newton is he great? One great season in and out

1395
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: of great. He's on a path of greatness. He's on

1396
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: a path of greatness. It's all with it with the

1397
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: league and with anybody, it's all about consistency. You can't

1398
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: just do it one year. Often two years. Can't be

1399
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan, you know. I mean, And

1400
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,839
Speaker 1: that's what I think about with some of the receivers

1401
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: now that are getting all this social media platforms. You

1402
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: think about Odell Beckham Jr. Is great, not yet had

1403
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: does he make some great spectacular catches, but yeah, that's

1404
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: only one one catch. He's known ideally for that one

1405
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: kit that damn there broke the internet. And that's where

1406
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: social media has really kind of ruined some guys. Not

1407
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: saying that it's ruined him, but I know Ode he's

1408
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: a great guy. I think he understands now. You know,

1409
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: this game could be gone just like that, and then

1410
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's when he get back on the field.

1411
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: Trust me, it's not gonna change his personnet. But he's

1412
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna appreciate the game more so now because he sees

1413
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: like the game can be gone from you just like that.

1414
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: But he's a great talent. Could he be could he

1415
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: be greater than what he is? Absolutely? All he gotta

1416
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: do is just be who he is. Don't listen to

1417
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: the critics. And some things you're gonna bring a lot

1418
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: of to yourself, Like even when I when I played,

1419
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: do you see a correlationship? You're gonna bring some of that,

1420
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: but you gotta be able to back it up. Just

1421
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: for example, last year they went to Miami, then you

1422
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: go to Green Bay and then you stink it up.

1423
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: You drop a touchdown looking at your hands, like right

1424
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: wide receivers look at their hands when they drop past it.

1425
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: Your hands didn't do it. Yeah it is, they didn't

1426
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: catch it. But but but I'm like, what are you

1427
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: looking at your hands for? Because that's what missed, That's

1428
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: what dropped that ball. Their hands ain't going, but you

1429
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: ain't having a conversation with just you. The hands are

1430
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: too that's you. Your hands are you? Your hands are you?

1431
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: But do you know as a fan? Like as a fan,

1432
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, stop looking at your fucking hands, man, it's

1433
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: not your handsful Like what is what else? It's connected

1434
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: to your body. You can't catch with your feet? Well

1435
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you can't, do you see like the stuff? Look

1436
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: what's I think it's it's just a lack of focus,

1437
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think you know everything,

1438
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: especially leading up to that game. Sometimes you can put

1439
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: too much pressure on yourself and you try so hard,

1440
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: then it'll it'll make you drop a hands because you're

1441
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: trying so hard. I did that. That's what happened in

1442
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: the in the game that I dropped um the Green

1443
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: Bay package. I tried so hard. My coach was on

1444
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: my butt on the sideline. But they were encouraging at

1445
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: the same time, all my teammates even though I had

1446
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: I had a fumble, I had two three drops. They

1447
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: was like, bro, I had my teammates do. That was

1448
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: the first time I really felt support of a team.

1449
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: My coaches they don't worry about block it out because

1450
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: they knew it's not like the NBA. Well you have

1451
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: the best of series, you can go back the next

1452
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: night and redeem yourself. It's not like you have thirty shots,

1453
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,799
Speaker 1: but then you still have a best of seven series.

1454
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You got an opportunity to

1455
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 1: redeem yourself. With football. We know you can't just braped

1456
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: your teammates. You're gonna put that guy in the tank.

1457
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: They knew to be encouraging and supportive. But that's what

1458
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: good teammates do. And so when they did that, Bro,

1459
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this. I wanted to

1460
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: go out and really make a big play. Do I

1461
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: watched the ball go. My coach had just relaxed, Tea.

1462
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: He knew that I prepared myself for this. I waiting

1463
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: for this moment because that's what I did during the

1464
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: all season. You know, understand the tradition of the San

1465
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: Francisco for the nine of winning the Super Bowl. This

1466
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: was the path to do that, to win these playoff games.

1467
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: And we started out as a wild card. So at

1468
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: this point I'm stinking it up. So my co heel

1469
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: t just relaxed. He said, you've done this before, You've

1470
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: done it all year. Just relaxed, washed the ball the

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: way into your hand. Bro. I remember I lined up

1472
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: on the left side. I ran a square out or

1473
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: or or a quick out. Bro I washed the ball

1474
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: all the way into my hands. Mike, I washed it

1475
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: all the way into my hands, and I still dropped it.

1476
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 1: Man still dropped it. So I understand what I understand

1477
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: what it's like when you're like when you're looking at

1478
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: your hands, like, oh my god, how can you drop

1479
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: this ball? So again it's it's what you mean, that's

1480
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: what what what else are you gonna look like? That's

1481
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: just part of a guy you going through. You're trying

1482
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: to I says, you're trying to get some answers, you know,

1483
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean when it the meetia happening, like, oh my god,

1484
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't believe I just dropped this. I'm

1485
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 1: O'Dell Beckham Jr. You know what I mean this fans

1486
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: expect me to catch this ball and you don't. It's

1487
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: the playoffs. There is no tomorrow. It's when or go home.

1488
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: So that's why again, that's why the stakes are are

1489
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 1: so monumental, so much magnified in the in the NFL

1490
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: than it is the NBA that that makes that makes

1491
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: sense about what you said about the hands, let me

1492
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: throw a few more names at you, um Russell Wilson. Oh.

1493
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: He when I met him, he was well beyond his

1494
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: years as a rookie. When I went and tried, when

1495
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: I worked out for for the Seattle Seahawks, he was

1496
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: the guy that worked me out. They had the guys,

1497
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: the staff, We're like, we got a rookie. He's gonna

1498
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: throw to you. And it's like, this guy is pretty good, dude. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Now,

1499
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: this is a guy that's quiet confidence. Reminds me of

1500
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner in a sense, don't really say much, very

1501
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: crazy guys, family oriented guy. But he just continues to win,

1502
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, continues to fire Odds, Drew Brees,

1503
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Guys like that that you

1504
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It matters. Football matters to them,

1505
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can tell that that's

1506
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: what they that's this They're doing what they've always wanted

1507
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: to do. And I think that's what's so different about

1508
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: me and how I played the game, because it wasn't

1509
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: what I always wanted to do, but I adopted a

1510
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: passion for something and I understood that whatever I did

1511
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: on the football field, it literally could be it could

1512
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: make or break us, or make break make or break me.

1513
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: I became a playmaker before after the playmaker and Michael Irving,

1514
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: I continue consider myself a game changer. You have those

1515
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: guys that have that it factor that they can change

1516
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: the game when the ball is in their hands. Do

1517
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: you think Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the history. Um,

1518
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: I think he's up there. But with with Joe Montana,

1519
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: And I say that because how can you how can

1520
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: you discredited guy that went to a number of Super

1521
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: Bowls every time and they won versus a guy that

1522
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: has gone to uh Super Bowl a number of time,

1523
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: but he has some losses in that column. So again,

1524
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: so that's his numbers say one thing. M But looking

1525
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: at what Joe Montana did, that speaks volumes as well.

1526
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: Who's the meanest defensive players that you played against? The

1527
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: nasty mean? When I was earning on in my career, UM,

1528
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: learning the position and understanding that if you're gonna play

1529
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: the position, it's not only you gotta block. You gotta

1530
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: do a lot of tangibles when you gotta go across

1531
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: the middle and you get you know that there are

1532
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: guys that are head hunters, and that's all they want

1533
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: to do is hit Steve Atwater. Like early, I was nervous.

1534
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: I was kind of scared of him. Yeah, because again,

1535
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: like I said, this is when I'm young, So you know,

1536
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: you don't really have that Yeah, you don't have that

1537
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: confidence as you as I once did. Dude, like watching

1538
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: film and seeing this guy, like, isn't the one he

1539
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: ended Christian Nakorey? Yeah, Well, like I saw Christian Nacourt. Bro,

1540
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. I'm nowhere near as big as

1541
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 1: Christian nor Koreya. And dude, I'm fresh out of college.

1542
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm a little kid. Even two or three years in

1543
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: the league, I'm still I'm still a kid playing a

1544
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: grown man's game. And this guy is a vet. So

1545
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: guys like that, Um, I I avoided ray Lewis. Uh

1546
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: was he was? He was? He fucking vicious when he

1547
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: played that. He played the game violent, you know, and

1548
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: I say that in a good way. I mean he

1549
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: played it the right way, you know what I mean.

1550
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: If it was an opportunity with the aggression that defensive

1551
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: players play with, if he could hit you and hurt you,

1552
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: trust me, that's what they those defensive guys they do that.

1553
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: They don't want anything catastrophic lead at what happened, you know,

1554
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: in the process, in the process today, right in the process,

1555
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: it may happen. And that's why I don't like the

1556
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: fact that they protect quarterbacks. You're protecting quarterbacks legs, but

1557
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: then a receiver can go across the middle and in

1558
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: DBS can go out our legs and and there's no

1559
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: no issue where where are they supposed to hit people?

1560
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: Because you listen, you're you're right now they're saying, right,

1561
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: the chest played up? Is that so hard to do

1562
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: when you're going as fast as you guys are going.

1563
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: Even sometimes you know when there's a dirty hit. But

1564
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: sometimes when these when two of you guys, one guy's

1565
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: not even looking at another you like a little shoulder.

1566
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're trying to it's a car going

1567
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: down the street and the windows down. You're trying to

1568
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: throw a football in in a in a moving car.

1569
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: It's not even if you're trying to avoid the head

1570
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna exactly. It's it's hard to do. The game

1571
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: is especially now, the game is so much faster than

1572
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: it was ten twenty years ago. Guys are getting bigger,

1573
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: faster and stronger. Yeah, I hear you, all right, ter Teryl, Shit,

1574
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: se you almost made it. I didn't. I didn't. I

1575
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: almost Hall of Fame? Are we getting in the Hall

1576
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: of Fame? Because I'm gonna tell you something, if I do, like,

1577
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: you're getting in the Hall of Fame. If I make it,

1578
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: it's a great honor. Yeah. Could you not be in

1579
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? This is no disrespect to the

1580
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame or anybody that's you know, been in before.

1581
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: It comes out to me like, if I make it,

1582
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: I'll make it. But does stats speak for themselves? Everyone

1583
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: in the six Pro Bowls? Five first team All Pro,

1584
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: third time NFL receiving touchdown leader, second most receiving yards ever,

1585
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: third most receiving touchdown When the who do I gotta

1586
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: talk to you? Do you give me their number? I

1587
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: have no, no, no, no, I'll do it on my own.

1588
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: You're not sending me there. Who do I gotta talk

1589
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 1: to him? Who can? Who can? I ran that te

1590
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: Ran that I would direct you to the Hall of

1591
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: Fame committee they got their number, they'd have no control

1592
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: of it. But what the funk? Though? I mean, Okay,

1593
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: so we need a couple of things. It's like you

1594
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: played the game. It's the beat writers. Whomever these guys, man,

1595
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: where are they? They're voting on this every year? Do

1596
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: your research. Whoever the beat writers are that we're covering

1597
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: me during the times that I played. Those are the

1598
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: guys that vote. They're fucking babies, man, They're fucking babies, man.

1599
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: Like they're like, we want to punish Tera Loans. Kiss

1600
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: my fucking ass, dude. I would like, I said, I

1601
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: would direct you to the Hall of Fame, give me

1602
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: a number, I would direct you to the Hall of

1603
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: Fame Committee. But that's not that's not even gonna do

1604
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: you any good. Well, so when is the next voting,

1605
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: Like it should be coming up here pretty soon. I

1606
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: think this is the year. I think that the Yeah,

1607
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: I think yeah, But in the next couple of months,

1608
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: I think they have the finalist or whatever. I think

1609
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: this is the year because I think last year it

1610
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: was so by people that liked you, didn't like you.

1611
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, I think like the consensus last

1612
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: year when you were taking you weren't in was it

1613
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: was so like this is it's almost disrespectful to the

1614
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Forget you at this point that's obvious.

1615
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: So but it's like, this is supposed to be the

1616
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 1: picture of Mohammed Ali right here, the champ and understanding

1617
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: what he did and his sacrifice, and there are a

1618
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of people that didn't like him. They hated him, right,

1619
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: he he became a lovable figure way later. Right. But

1620
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm not comparing myself because some

1621
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: people they are listening to like, oh my gosh, he's

1622
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 1: comparing He's not comparing himself to Mohammed Ali. Right. The

1623
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: same thing with Colin Kapern And you know, I mean

1624
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, this guy right here. You know,

1625
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: he got voted Scision Citizen of the Year. Why is

1626
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: this guy being voted Scisians here didn't J. J. Watt

1627
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: just raised twenty something million dollars. So what it is,

1628
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: what it is. But you think about what sacrifice and

1629
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: and what criticism he had to endure. But people still think,

1630
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that he's one of the greatest. I've

1631
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: done nothing to scratch the surface as to what he's

1632
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: done or say it, but I'm viewed as a terrible guy.

1633
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I think it's but just just just let that sink

1634
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: in for people think that I'm a terrible guy. I'm

1635
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: telling you now. They think that I'm an arrogant, cocky guy.

1636
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: On that football field I brought. I brought a different

1637
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: level of passion and it may have rubbed people the

1638
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: wrong way. But who cares you? But it doesn't matter.

1639
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: My point exactly getting too they're taking those things into

1640
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: account as to why I'm not into the Hall of Fame.

1641
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: I got you, That's that's my point. Well, I honestly,

1642
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this, I seriously think this

1643
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 1: is the year because across the board last year and

1644
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: made the Hall of Fame and all these uh faceless nameless.

1645
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: He didn't people who didn't vote you and look bad. Um.

1646
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: One more question, one more question, one more question. Jerry Jones?

1647
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: What's his story? He's in a position of power. And

1648
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 1: when you have people in a position of power, they

1649
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: feel like they can do anything and get away with it.

1650
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: Do you did you like him? Like? Just like like

1651
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 1: a boss that you work with. Just like again, sometimes

1652
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: you can have a power, you can have power. You

1653
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: can do good with that power. You can do good

1654
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: with that power, and you can abuse that power and

1655
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: you can use it to your advantage. Or not. And

1656
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: so Jerry's in a position again, Jerry Jones, that that

1657
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: name alone says a lot. You know, I man, you

1658
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: get a power for attorney behind you. Again, it's gonna

1659
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: be a dog fight, because sometimes some fights aren't worth fighting.

1660
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: But sometimes people have ego, and I think that's Jerry

1661
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: Jones has ego. So whatever's going on with him and

1662
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, Clearly everybody's not on Jerry's side. Everybody's not

1663
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: on Jerry's side, as you sa if you've seen I

1664
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: guess the little you know back and forth with Arthur

1665
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Blank they play. They didn't even speak right. I'm sure

1666
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: at some point they were on speaking terms all those

1667
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: owners are. But one guy can't speak for the entire

1668
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: owners owner, right, you know what I mean? And I

1669
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: think that's what he was trying to do, and so

1670
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: that and and even speaking on that, that's what I

1671
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: tried to say when people said that I did certain

1672
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: things or I did I divided locker rooms, one or

1673
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: two people can't speak for the majority of the locker room.

1674
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: So you can't say that I'm a bad guy because

1675
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: you heard from this guy or a specific person and

1676
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: they said they didn't like me or this and that

1677
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: and the other one or two people versus three men

1678
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: roster or people sixty five people in the locker room.

1679
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna just listen to two people. They don't speak

1680
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: for the majority of the locker room. And I've tried

1681
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: to I've tried to explain that, right, you know what

1682
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean. But again, people are gonna jump on negativity,

1683
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: right and again the fact that again, like I said,

1684
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I didn't, I didn't. I didn't do exactly what people

1685
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: told me. But I didn't told me that. But I

1686
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: didn't disrespect anybody, you know what I mean. I played

1687
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: the game how I felt like I needed to be

1688
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 1: played And if that was you know, me being passionate,

1689
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: which was viewed as being cocky and arrogance, then and

1690
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: so be it. Right, it rubbed a lot of people

1691
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: the wrong way, and those people don't actually know me

1692
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: as a person. I got you, I got you. Um,

1693
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do every single thing I can to make

1694
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: sure that you are at the Big Three. Combine there

1695
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: and playing, because we'll have a ball and then you

1696
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: know what, Tarrell, after you're in the whole of fame,

1697
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: you you'll have an opportunity to be interviewed by me

1698
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: at the Big Three because I'm the rolling reporter of

1699
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: the Big thing. So it's like again it's like Hall

1700
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,799
Speaker 1: of Fame is cool, but I'm over here being interviewed

1701
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: that the Big Three by Michael Rapport. Okay, so that's

1702
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Also, I, like I said, I know I

1703
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: can play the game. I know I can play the game.

1704
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: There are guys that I played with and active and

1705
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: not active in the league that have seen me play

1706
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: again they can vouch for me. So again, like I said,

1707
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: even Michard Richard mckennson, you know, um he said he

1708
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: tried to do some stuff to to to kind of

1709
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: you know, get me in there. Um, obviously TMZ heard

1710
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: about it. People know that I can play a game.

1711
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: That's why I was a big But again, if you're

1712
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: smart and not not saying, you know, Cuba is a businessman,

1713
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: smart man, like I said, I bring a just another

1714
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: level of cash. You know when it comes to selling

1715
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: tickets and selling out. Again, look at what they what

1716
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson. Alan Iverson is supposed to big draw and

1717
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 1: then you know be a big draw even in Philly

1718
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: and then he was a no show. That's you know

1719
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of like a sore black eye, right,

1720
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, to to to the Big Three. Not sure

1721
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: exactly what Alan Iverson had going on, but again, to

1722
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: be in your own home city and you not play,

1723
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: not show up for certain things. Like I said, I

1724
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: don't know if that's out of character for him, but

1725
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: I know from a fan perspective, when I saw that,

1726
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, why isn't he playing right? You know

1727
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I'm not speculate as to what

1728
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: may have happened or didn't happen, But from a fan,

1729
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because Alan Iverson is my guy. But from

1730
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: a fan perspective, I'm like, oh my gosh, because I'm

1731
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: just get the Big Three. You're there to play ball,

1732
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Second, you're saying, so if

1733
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: you playing that, if you're in part of Big Three

1734
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: season two number one, you can hold your own. You're

1735
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: not worried about the ball, and you're you're not gonna

1736
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: be bullshiting around. They are different. Every game is gonna

1737
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: present different challenges. They're gonna be times where I maybe

1738
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 1: needed to score and maybe to Tyler, I could play defense, rebound.

1739
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: I played college basketball understanding. But the level you're you're

1740
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: you're saying as far as just the basketball, you're good

1741
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: to go. Alright, alright, just checking this straight. I'm I'm

1742
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: the Howard coach Sell of the Big Three. I have

1743
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: some cachet over there. I'm just saying I have pool.

1744
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying I would love to see you happen, and

1745
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 1: even more so, I would be thrilled to say. This

1746
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: is Michael Rapport at the sideline of the Big Three.

1747
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: I'm here with Terrell Owens, not in dress clothes, though

1748
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: not in civilian clothes. Now you're freaking guys in the face.

1749
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: He's part of the so and so team. All right,

1750
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: t O, thank you for joining the Iron Rap or

1751
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Stereo podets. I hope you come back. This was fucking awesome.

1752
01:29:55,479 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sassenmen simple and as metten simple and bass

1753
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: metten simple