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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one thirty three,

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Speaker 1: Tan's show, Dan and I are covering a whole variety

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Speaker 1: of topics. We talk late season hunting, tips for specifically

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Speaker 1: targeting doze, the complicated decision of choosing to shoot or

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Speaker 1: pass a deer, and much much more. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Let's Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear. And Today on the show, it's just me

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Speaker 1: and my co host Dan Johnson, and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about a whole bunch of different things. Potentially, we

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Speaker 1: could talk about late season deer hunting. We might be

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Speaker 1: talking about hunting does, We're gonna be talking about hunting

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Speaker 1: for one specific buck, We're gonna be talking about my

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Speaker 1: newest nickname, and probably a whole lot more. Uh So, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we're shooting from the hip today. There's a couple ideas

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Speaker 1: from me. What what do you want to talk about?

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Speaker 1: Um monster trucks, um sandwiches. I like that these are

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Speaker 1: just two things that I don't know why. But when

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Speaker 1: you ask me, those were the first two things that

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Speaker 1: popped into my head. So if we could maybe incorporate

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Speaker 1: those together, that might even be like watch eating a

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Speaker 1: sandwich while watching monster Trucks. I don't know. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to psychoanalyze why those were the two things that popped

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Speaker 1: up first in your mind, what that might mean about you,

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Speaker 1: or we could just uh stick to hunting. That's that's

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Speaker 1: fine with me too. Yeah, I want to start with

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Speaker 1: sandwiches because last night I had a really good sandwich.

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Speaker 1: We we're gonna make this kind of Belgian stew it's

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Speaker 1: called a carbonade um. But the roast I took out,

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Speaker 1: the venison roast I took out ended up not having

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Speaker 1: nearly as much meat as we thought, and so we

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Speaker 1: didn't really have enough to make a really big stew.

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Speaker 1: So I just took that meat instead and then sliced

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Speaker 1: have these little, like frozen French loaves that are about

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Speaker 1: like six seven inches long, and I cooked baked one

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Speaker 1: of those in the oven, split that down the middle,

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Speaker 1: laid out this fried venison steak and onions, melted, two

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Speaker 1: a saracha mayo combo and slather that on one side.

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Speaker 1: And it was an epic sandwich. Nice. I do the

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Speaker 1: same thing similar with my canned dear meat. My mom

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Speaker 1: canned my buck. My buck went into well, I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: say hundred. We cut the ribs out, we cut the

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Speaker 1: back straps out. I saved a couple um steaks or roasts,

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Speaker 1: but um, the rest of it was canned. We cubed

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Speaker 1: almost all of it and canned it. And then she

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Speaker 1: she pressure cooks it. Oh, it is ridiculously tender. Worm

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Speaker 1: it up in a sautee, you know, sautee it with

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Speaker 1: it's ridiculously good. So if anybody's out there ever thinking

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Speaker 1: about canning dear meat, do it? Do you do anything?

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Speaker 1: Else the other than use it for sandwich meat and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you take that and use it for

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Speaker 1: ste meat or for ste meat anything, any thing? Tacos

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Speaker 1: um enchilada's let's see what else do we do with it? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Just eat it, you know, right out of the right

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Speaker 1: I mean anything. You can do anything with it, never

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Speaker 1: I want to try it. I've heard I've heard people

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Speaker 1: no idea that you guys did that. Yeah, very interesting

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Speaker 1: and I like doing it that way because my wife

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Speaker 1: actually eats it that way. Um, so put a bullying

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of pumped about that. Yeah. And by

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of meat, but the meat that's on there,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you can tell, hey, this is dear meat because

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Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. How do you go about doing that? Because

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did with it. And um my

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Speaker 1: That's cool. A lot of guys don't even save the

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Speaker 1: And what's that age again, thirty six dog? For some reasons,

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Speaker 1: had shows that week to watch him and I was

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00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: able to do that and get a little film and um,

428
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: and I feel really good about it. I'm excited about it,

429
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: and I'm just really stoked to find his sheds this year.

430
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: Hopeful I'm gonna do. I've never gone to a shed season,

431
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to try to find one. Dear's anilers.

432
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: So so that's where that's where things stand. Well, the

433
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: cool thing about this is to the to the people

434
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: who maybe are upset with you, which is blows my

435
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: mind that they could be angry about a decision that's

436
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: not theirs, but it this is just another reason why

437
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: everybody hunts for different reasons. But the kill is not

438
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: the most important part of the quote unquote hunt, right.

439
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: It's just I think I think every hunter is on

440
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: a different level when it comes to you know, when

441
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: it comes I guess their style or or or their

442
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: kind of hunting. And if they're if you know, maybe

443
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: they're into the hey I gotta kill something every year,

444
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: or my buddies will think I'm a bad hunter, or

445
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: I'll get shipped from my family or whatever. Or are

446
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: they the kind of people who they go out expecting

447
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: to kill and they get mad if they don't, or

448
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: if they're the kind of people who sit in a

449
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: tree stand and just love nature and love observing nature,

450
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: and um, you know that's not for me and you

451
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: or anybody else to judge, but I do think that

452
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: is it's cool that you had a little bit of

453
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: a change of heart and that you decided, you know what,

454
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna let it ride and see what

455
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: happens because you are now, in my opinion, an example

456
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: in uh I'll use a state like Michigan for an example,

457
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: where a lot of hunters live by the it's brown,

458
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: it's down motto, and the quality of deer are not

459
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: you know where other states are. So now you've led

460
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: a four year old ride, right, he's gonna if he

461
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: makes it through, he's gonna be five. Right. So, so

462
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you've now walked the walk. In my opinion, you talked

463
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: to talk and now you've walked the walk, and now

464
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: hopefully you can be maybe an inspiration to other hunters

465
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: who feel that they have to kill some kind of

466
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: buck for you know, as a status, or it means that, hey,

467
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm a good hunter because I killed a fourcorn or

468
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: I killed a two year old, you know, or you

469
00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: know whatever you've said. You know, you don't want Michigan

470
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: to be uh um Brown, it's downstate. You've walked the

471
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: walk now, so now maybe you can allow that will

472
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: allow other people to say, you know what, I might

473
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: follow Mark Kenyon's lead and I might uh you know,

474
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: I might just go shoot a dough instead of killing

475
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: a young buck. Yeah, it's interesting to bring that up, um,

476
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: because I think one of the big things that I've

477
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: taken out of this um and it's um kind of

478
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: related to what you said, because as I've been going

479
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: through this, like inevitably, I've gotten lots of feedback from

480
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: lots of people, you know, because by default, but because

481
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: I share so much, right I I'm putting myself up

482
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: there to be judged, and people are gonna let their

483
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: opinions be known. And I am a human being and

484
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: so it I like, I shouldn't let it bother me,

485
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: but it does sometimes. So I constantly to tell myself

486
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: let that stuff go in one ear on the other um,

487
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: But because I've been getting people telling me what I

488
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: should do or what I've chosen to do is stupid

489
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: or blah blah blah, it has given me a new

490
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: appreciation for the respect that I think we need to

491
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: show all hunters, for each of us being able to

492
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: hunt your own hunt, right, I think we all need

493
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: to And and maybe I'm guilty of this sometimes too.

494
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: I probably have looked at someone who shot a year

495
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: and a half old and being like, oh, why did

496
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: you do that? Blah blah blah, And for for what

497
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: I want to have a hunt or my goals, I

498
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: would like to see if you were young deer killed,

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: But at the same time, so and so that might

500
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: be what is the right hunt for him. And this

501
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: was one of those examples. This experience for me put

502
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: me on the other end of that where now I

503
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: was being judged for what I was choosing, and I

504
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of was like, WHOA, Like, I don't want someone

505
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: telling me if I should shoot or not shoot. This

506
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: is something that only I can decide um. And that

507
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: kind of opened my eyes a little bit too to

508
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: the other side of the coin too. So I think

509
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: for me, the big thing I've learned is this is

510
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: to shoot a deer or not shoot deer. Isn't always

511
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: going to be about the alogy. It's not always gonna

512
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: be about the management. It's not always going to be

513
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: about um. You know a lot of these different things.

514
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of as we talked about so

515
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: many times, there's a lot of different complicated things go

516
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: into why we hunt and how we hunt and all

517
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, and we're each gonna have our

518
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: own unique take. And this is the first time for

519
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: me that I've ever had this kind of unexpected kind

520
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: of flip flop. Um. So it's been just kind of

521
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: a weird thing for me personally figuring out, like trying

522
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: to understand why in my head and all that. But UM,

523
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: but I feel like I made the right decision. And

524
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: in my article I wrote, um that the first blog

525
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: post I put up there about when I just started

526
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: considering the idea of passing him, someone let this comment

527
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: just said do what you won't regret, and um that

528
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I kept thinking about that, and UM, I kept thinking.

529
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I kept trying to envision the two scenarios, So I

530
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: kept thinking about what would I feel like if I

531
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: shot holy feel now, like what would it feel about

532
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: pulling that trigger and walking up on him and looking

533
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: at him now? And what would the other feeling be

534
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: like what would it be if I saw him, Or

535
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: what would the feeling be like if I just chose

536
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: not to try and kill him now? And maybe I

537
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: saw him, and maybe he makes it through the winter,

538
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. Um But what ended up making me

539
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: feel worse, what ended up making me feel regret wasn't

540
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the idea of him making it through the winter or

541
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: me passing him, but him not making it through. But

542
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: what felt worse now was actually the idea of shooting him,

543
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: like after not being certain about wanting to do it

544
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: after all, Like I felt like I still can't find

545
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: the right words to describe, but almost like a dishonor

546
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: to kill this dear when I wasn't even wasn't even

547
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: like sound in my own conviction of if that was

548
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: the right thing to do, Like it just felt I

549
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: started feeling wrong when I started getting wishy washy about it.

550
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: It started feeling like it would be wrong, like to

551
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: kill an animal, just because without being dead set certain

552
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: within like your gut that this is the right thing

553
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: to do, for me, just it seems like a line

554
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be crossed. Now, some people might think I'm

555
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: getting weird and wishy washy or woo hoo whatever. Um,

556
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I think the more we get into hunting,

557
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the more well yeah, yes, agreed, um, But I think

558
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: to something you mentioned earlier, like a lot of us

559
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: as hunters, we go through this evolution um where you know,

560
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: you just want to kill a bunch of stuff. We

561
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: want to kill something, and then you want to kill

562
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, and then you want to kill

563
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: big stuff and you want to prove you can do it,

564
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: and all these kinds of things. And I guess I

565
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: think I've been for a while. I've been in that like, okay,

566
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: I want to kill mature bucks, and early on it

567
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: was okay, I want to prove I can do it,

568
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: and then okay, now I want to hunt for the

569
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: challenge um and all these other things. And um, I

570
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: think I'm in another slight transition now where not only

571
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: does it need to be um, the right set of

572
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: all these different criteria, but it needs to be like

573
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: the right I don't the right something. It's gotta be right, um,

574
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I mean, I still don't have

575
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: the right words to articulate at all. All I know

576
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: is that I feel good about the decision I made,

577
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: and I've seen him, um, several more times since Friday night. Now.

578
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I saw him last night and it was just super cool,

579
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: and I just got to sit there being like, Oh,

580
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: this guy, he's got to make it ten more days

581
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna make it this season and I'm

582
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna go find those sheds hopefully, and I'm all excited

583
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: about that idea of trying to find this buck sheds

584
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: and um, next year maybe seeing him, hopefully seeing him

585
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: and I know there's no guarantees, I'm okay with that, um,

586
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: but I'm just I'm excited again, and I'm excited about

587
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: not the idea of him dead right now, but the

588
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: idea of hunting him again next year and and maybe

589
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: if it's meant to be, I'll you know, put the

590
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: ribbon on top. But um, but man, it's kind of

591
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: cool um that after I made my decision, I hadn't

592
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: checked trail cameras a while, and I checked trail cameras

593
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: just now before we get on here. And since I

594
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: decided this is so weird since I decided that I

595
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to kill Himo, since last Monday, he started

596
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: showing up in daylight on my cameras almost every single day,

597
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of a big f you to the hunting strategy

598
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: or something, or like he just knows, like he's got

599
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: some kind of telepathic link to my head now and

600
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, Marks, not even gonna try to

601
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: shoot me anymore. Now I'm gonna gorge myself on these brassicas,

602
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be betting in your front yard here

603
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: before you know it, dude, before you know he's gonna

604
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: be all over the place. But he he was hitting

605
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: food sources on THEE and eighteen right in the middle

606
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: of the day, even like noon one o'clock. Um, so

607
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: he's he's comfortable and there's good food and and good stuff,

608
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: and uh, we're just gonna see what happens. But um,

609
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: but some people are sick of me talking about holy

610
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Field based on some of the comments I've gotten, so

611
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: maybe I should stop. Um. Someone that I mentioned at

612
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: the beginning of got a new nickname. I gotta that.

613
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: I got a comment from someone who talked about how

614
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: they're and everyone's entitled to their own opinion, this is

615
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: totally fine. Um, but he's sick and tired of my

616
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: story and sick and tired of like my drama with

617
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: this deer and how he just he thinks that this

618
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: deer should be called Hollywood now and I should be

619
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: called Miley, like Miley Cyrus. Um. And so you know,

620
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that, but boy, yeah,

621
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, i'd like to know that person's reasoning for that,

622
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: and I can understand. It almost feels like, you know,

623
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be speaking my mind here, it almost

624
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: feels like I know, I know it's not what you're doing,

625
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: but it's like, hey, look at me, everybody, Um, I am.

626
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I've decided to pass this deer because I want to

627
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: see it live and I want to see what I

628
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: can do as a hunter. Dude, expand my blah, but

629
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you know whatever, that's not what you're doing. But you know,

630
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: I can see how people could perceive that as some

631
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: kind of I don't public publicity stunt. Maybe I don't know,

632
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: but I know that's not what you're doing. So um,

633
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: but Miley Cyrus is a pretty cool nickname for Mark Kenyon.

634
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: If if if I have to start calling you something.

635
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I might call you Miley. I'd rather than not, But

636
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: all right, I won't. I won't. There's got to be

637
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: something better out there. But but yeah, I just I don't.

638
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't care what people think. I gotta I've got

639
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: to do what I feel is right. And I've never

640
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: gone into this, you know, whether it be my writing

641
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: or this podcast or anything, you know, I'm never going

642
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: to do. I'm never going to change how I hunt

643
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: or what I'm doing because that's what people want me

644
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: to do, or because that's what's gonna sell articles, or

645
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: because that's what's gonna sell whatever. If I do that,

646
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: I've lost what I'm I've lost the whole reason in

647
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: like the core of what I'm trying to do here.

648
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: So all I'm gonna ever do is I'm going to

649
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: hunt and evolve as a hunter and do my own thing.

650
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: As I grow as a hunter and figure things out

651
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and try new things and have some success and have

652
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: some failures. I'm just gonna do my thing, and I'm

653
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: going to share what happens along the way. That's what

654
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: I've always done, that's what I'm going to continue to do.

655
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: And some people aren't gonna like that, and that's okay.

656
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: And there's other guys that you know, they can follow,

657
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: and if someone is interested in my journey, that's great too.

658
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna do my journey, and uh, that's

659
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: that's all I can do. That's that's awesome. That's awesome.

660
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. That's that. That's how I gotta

661
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: live your life. Who cares what anybody else thinks about

662
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: anything hunting or not? Yeah, yeah, I get frustrated. But

663
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I shouldn't, like why why should I care? I shouldn't.

664
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: I don't, but I do. I sound like I sound

665
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: like a crazy person, you know, I'll be honest. I

666
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: went through a period of time and I think we

667
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: discussed this on one of the previous podcasts. It's been

668
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: a while though. You know, some people get like bone envy, right,

669
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, man, that guy shot a giant buck.

670
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Now I need to shoot a giant buck or or

671
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 1: or I'm nobody man, that's for the birds, right And

672
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: number one, you can't do that. You can't shoot you

673
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: can't do that if you're shooting four corns. Number one.

674
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Another another thing, and this is kind of spinning off

675
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: into uh, what pisces me off. And some of it

676
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: has to do with social media. Some of it has

677
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: to do with hunting expectations and stuff like that. You

678
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: hear these people go, you know, I only hunt for

679
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: the meat, but I want to be a big buck hunter. Okay,

680
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: that's cool, uh, for you know, first and foremost I

681
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: hunt for the meat. Well, if first and foremost you

682
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: hunt for the meat, you should shoot the first year

683
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: that walks by your stand, regardless if that's if that

684
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: is how you're hunting. Second, if you're hunting, you know,

685
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: if you want to hunt big bucks, and you you know,

686
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: we talked about this every all the time. People who

687
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: bitch about, you know, not having big deer in their area,

688
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: but they're part of the problem, and they shoot the

689
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: smaller bucks. If you want to kill something, kill a dough.

690
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: In certain parts of the country, there's plenty of does

691
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: out there, so you don't need to shoot a buck. Man,

692
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: eat your tag, Eat your tag every once in a while,

693
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: your buck tag every once in a while. It's okay

694
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: to do. I've done it. For I've done it. Let's

695
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: see this buck that I shot this year. In ten years,

696
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: I've shot four bucks, so I have eaten my tag

697
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: six years out of those ten years. So it's okay

698
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to fill your freezer,

699
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and I tend to be successful at that every year,

700
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: shoot a dough Sorry I blacked out. What was I?

701
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: I think you were talking about monster trucks, right, monsters. No, dude,

702
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying. Um, and you're right.

703
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there's it's it's such a messy

704
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: thing because I agree with you in that if this

705
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: if you're talking about wanting to shoot big bucks and stuff,

706
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: but then you shoot a little one, well yeah, you're

707
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: part of the problem. Um. And what I personally like

708
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: to see more mature bucks absolutely, um. What I like

709
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: to see a healthier dear Absolutely. But at the same time,

710
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm also like, we're tom earlier. I also, I also

711
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: don't think I should be telling so and so that

712
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: if they really do like shooting young bucks and that

713
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: is what they love, it's not my place to say

714
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: don't do that. Um. So, like I see both sides

715
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: of the coin. It's interesting dilemma. Like you like you

716
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: look at like the Antler point restrictions in some states,

717
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: I get a lot of questions from people, UM saying

718
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: do you support Anler point restrictions or will you join

719
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: our petition to support Antler Point restrictions, um, and stuff

720
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: like that. And I'm a little weird on this one

721
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: because as for me personally, I would like to see

722
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: Antler Point restrictions in place in Michigan for me selfishly personally,

723
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: because that would mean that more young bucks would get past.

724
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: That would mean there might be some older deer, there

725
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: might be better age structure, there might be bigger bucks,

726
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: all things that would be great. Um. So for me

727
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: selfishly personally that I like that idea. But on the

728
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: other hand, do I have the right too in to

729
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: push my own desires onto someone else? Like what happened?

730
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: What about my dad who doesn't have the desire to

731
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: kill a buck, who hasn't killed a buck in for

732
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: a really long time, and all of a sudden he

733
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: finally gets a shot at one and he can't shoot

734
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: it because I didn't want people to shoot young bucks,

735
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: but it would have been his buck of a lifetime.

736
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: This is all hypoetical, um, But you know, I'm starting

737
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: to like look at these things a little bit differently.

738
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: And um and there's there's no clear cut answer in

739
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. But when it comes to that,

740
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: my thought this has always been, um, I would rather

741
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: see and this is totally now we're getting too specifics.

742
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are always asking me if

743
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I would support Antler point restrictions in Michigan and all

744
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And they have Antler point restrictions

745
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: up in northwestern Michigan and it's awesome, like I like

746
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: personally selfishly, I like it. We're seeing more older deer,

747
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: bigger deer. This is cool. Um. And if it happened

748
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: in the rest of the state, I wouldn't complain at all,

749
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: Like I personally be happy about it. Um. But an

750
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: alternative idea would be the one buck rule. So instead

751
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: of being able to kill two bucks, um, you can

752
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: only kill one buck. But you can kill any size buck,

753
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: any antler point buck. But I think that achieves both

754
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: goals on one side. If you do want to shoot

755
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: the first buck you see, you can still do that, um,

756
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: but that's your only buck. Teg. Now you're done. Um.

757
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: But because of that, more people would pass on younger

758
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: deer because they don't want to be done, and so

759
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: it would also improve the age structure. It would improve

760
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: more bucks would get past, so it would accomplish both goals. Uh.

761
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there um. But if you

762
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: work for the d n R in Michigan, consider that

763
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: that's my little pitch. You know what I also like,

764
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: and I think Wisconsin did this for a while, was

765
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: an inn a buck. In order to shoot a buck,

766
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: you had to go and shoot a doll. I don't

767
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: know why I like that. I don't know what kind

768
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: of scientific research was done to establish that that law,

769
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: but I really like that. Yeah, and personally I think

770
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: it's I like it too. A lot of people hated it, though,

771
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: and still in like Minnesota and Wisconsin like because of

772
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: like the stuff I've done the National Deer Alliance. I'm like,

773
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: every day I'm searching for news related to deer and

774
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: deer hunting. Um. So I'm seeing all the news articles

775
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: across the country related deer, and there's always people throwing

776
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: a fit in some of those states about declining deer

777
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: populations and too much of a doe harvest and too

778
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: much of this. And so when they did have that

779
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: earn a buck, that was like a big thing. People

780
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody, but there were a lot

781
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of complaints about that being something that was driving the

782
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: deer population down. Um. But in a lot of cases,

783
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: in many populations, especially ten years ago. UM, a lot

784
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: of dear populations. For what I understand, we're really overpopulated

785
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: for the habitat for what they could support. Way too

786
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: many doughs compared to bucks, Way too many deer in general.

787
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: And I think the last five years we've seen a

788
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a reduction across a lot of parts

789
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: of the country, especially the Midwest. A lot of people

790
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of cried bloody murder about that, but maybe it

791
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: was just kind of a rebalancing. UM. I don't know.

792
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: But um, but that's a whole interesting thing too. You know,

793
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: even in Iowa, and we don't have any point restrictions

794
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: in Iowa, but I'd like to see point restrictions even

795
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: in Iowa. I mean, it just I don't know. That's

796
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: again me just like you being selfish about what you know,

797
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: the quality of bucks that are in the area. You know,

798
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: and it it may it may stop someone from shooting

799
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: a four corn and shooting a dough instead to fill

800
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: their freezer, which means that buckets one more year or

801
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: however many years until he, uh you know, ends up

802
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: growing enough antlers to get shot. But I don't know.

803
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: I think that's just kind of a cool way. And

804
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: antler port point restrictions even in Michigan, I think some

805
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: of that, some of those laws are put in two

806
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: maybe for for a financial reason for the state. You know,

807
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: maybe if we put antler point restrictions and the bucks

808
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: get bigger, we may have more out of state people

809
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: wanting to come to Michigan to hunt deer. Thus we

810
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: get more money to the state, which which helps. So

811
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: I certainly think that that going to the one buck

812
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: rule in Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky has contributed to those

813
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: two three states becoming so much more popular for out

814
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: of staters. Um. So yeah, there certainly is obsential for that.

815
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's uh, it's interesting, man. I just had

816
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: something that tipped my tongue. I wanted to mention about this,

817
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and now I'm I totally forgot what were what were

818
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: just saying before? You were talking about er a buck.

819
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: Let's see, we talked about erna buck, we talked about

820
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: antler restrictions. You know, Oh, I know, I know Okay,

821
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: talking about young bucks, I wanted to mention the bummer

822
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: thing is that of all the books that I so

823
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: even though, like you mentioned how I could be an

824
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: example for someone passing a buck and letting go in Michigan. Um.

825
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: And yes, I am trying hopefully having this buck make

826
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: it another year, which would be great. Um. But some

827
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: other people have commented that I live in this unrealistic

828
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: situation where there's mature box like this. No average Joe

829
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: could ever pass on a buck like that. Um. And

830
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: that's not true at all. I'm not in an unrealistic

831
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: in a situation at all. All the bucks that I

832
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: passed this year have disappeared, So all the up and

833
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: comers that I was hoping would make it, they're all

834
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: dead or gone. So I'm just lucky that this one

835
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: made it. Very lucky that this buck is still around,

836
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: because all the other day I was hoping would be

837
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: around for next year Foreman and Fraser and um another

838
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: buck I was getting pictures. I was called Mayweather and

839
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: a two year old that would have been a nice one.

840
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Next year I was called Paccio, and they're all gone.

841
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: So I've got Holy Holy Field and like three spikes

842
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: is all I've seen for the last month and a half.

843
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: So they were telling they were telling you you don't

844
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: live you have unrealistic expectations or unrealistic hunting. Yeah, there

845
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: was a comment I can't remember where it was that

846
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I red, but they were talking about how you know,

847
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: it's unrelatable that I can pass here like this and

848
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: my manicured food plots and my special managed properties and

849
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: such insus and stuff like that, And I'm like, well, buddy,

850
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: you you obviously don't know the situation. Because this I'm

851
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by half of the jillion hunters, and I am

852
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: fortunate and that I'm the only person that can hunt

853
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: this piece, but I don't own it. I'm surrounded by hunters.

854
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Every gets killed every year except for maybe one if

855
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I get lucky. So it's better than some places, but

856
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: certainly not as good as others. Um, you just gotta

857
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: make the best what you have, right, And you know

858
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: how big is your food plot? Half acre? Half acre? Okay,

859
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: so you have a half acre food plot? You know

860
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: to me, that's doable. I don't lease any property. I

861
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: don't own any property. I planted. It was probably a

862
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: quarter two a half acre food Plot, Nebraska's this year.

863
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: UM it was my very first and I in total

864
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: I probably spent two hundred maybe three hundred dollars on it. UM.

865
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: I rented the equipment, I got the equipment to help

866
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: plan it for free. And as far as like an

867
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: unrealistic expectation that that should be within almost I don't know,

868
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: not everybody's, but if you want it bad enough, you're

869
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: gonna do it now. You're not. I don't look at

870
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: you and say, oh, there's Mark Kenyon. He's a celebrity hunter.

871
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: He's going to three hundred five thousand dollar a week outfitters,

872
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, to shoot a buck. He's not. He's not

873
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: going out west and hunting private ground for elk or

874
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: Muler or whatever. He's not. He's not hunting high fence.

875
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: You know. It's like that, right there is unrealistic. You're

876
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: if anything you are, you are realistic. You're doing what

877
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing. We are doing what everybody else

878
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: is doing, maybe not from a public land aspect where

879
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: you're not hunting on public ground in Michigan or Ohio,

880
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: and I'm not hunting a lot of public ground, but

881
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: you're still, like I would compare myself to the average

882
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: Joe any day of the week. Yeah and uh and yeah,

883
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean we are. We're certainly way more average than

884
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: anyone on TV, that's for certain. Um, well, hey, I

885
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: want to tell you about my high fence hunting that's

886
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: coming up. Oh perfect, I'm just pulling your legs, I know.

887
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: And I hope I'm not complaining too much. I hope

888
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sounding like I've been complaining this whole episode

889
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: about like negative feedback, because I you know, I put

890
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: myself off for that because I do this, I know

891
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: that's expected, it's gonna happen. I apologize if I sound

892
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: like I'm complaining, I'm not. And I appreciate people even

893
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: paying attention and giving a rip at all. I guess

894
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: so you know there's that, Well, there's still some hunting

895
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: time left, So I don't know were we gonna talk

896
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about? Something like we were actually

897
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: related to maybe some deer hunting strategy today, weren't we

898
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: We were? And then I just started ranting and we've

899
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: ended up down this weird cork script. I've kind of

900
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: fed you. You're a bad influence. Um, I did want

901
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: to talk strategy bit. But while we're transitioning here, let's

902
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: take a quick second and take a break to thank

903
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: our partners at red Nick Blinds for their support of

904
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: this podcast too. And today we've got a quick story

905
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: from hunter Jimmy Sites about how rednecks hey bell blinds

906
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: have been helping him on his own hunts. I've always

907
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: talked like in my deer hunting seminars two hunters, if

908
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you go and put a ground blind up, one of

909
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: these pop up blinds, no matter what the cambo pattern is,

910
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: you better put it out about two weeks in advance,

911
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: at least a week in advance. Let the deer get

912
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: used to it, and even then brush it in. Go

913
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: cut down some cedar limbs and take some wire, and

914
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, make it hide it as well as you

915
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: possibly can. Well, then I see the redneck bell blind

916
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: come along. Danny sent me one. I took it out

917
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: and used it. I set it up, and two hours

918
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: later I had deer on me. The same day I

919
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: set it up, I killed an eight point buck with

920
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: my boat out of the blind. Okay, it was. It

921
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: was mind boggling. And it's because deer. In most places

922
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: where we hunt, deer are used to round bills. So

923
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: unless you're in the middle of the provincial forest all

924
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: the way up in Canada, where there are no fills

925
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: within two hundred miles, that they're gonna see roundbills, they

926
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: just do and they don't think a thing about it.

927
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: I've tested this over and over. Last year, I was

928
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas. I was on Delmorell's lease. It's free range,

929
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: it's about eighteen hundred acres. I'm trying to pattern some

930
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: beer that I can shoot the mature and I take

931
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: the Redneck Bell blind out on a Sunday afternoon after church,

932
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: place it next to a greenfield. I'm right on the

933
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: edge of the greenfield and some high grass. We place

934
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: it at about one o'clock. By three o'clock we have

935
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: deer on us. I counted twenty two deer within shooting

936
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: range of that blind that afternoon, including a young ten

937
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: point book. None of them were spooked by it. And

938
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: I've actually seen similar things myself. In fact, just last

939
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: week I had dear five feet from me in my

940
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: hay bell and then no clue. Now, as I mentioned

941
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: in previous episodes, Redneck is offering a great deal for

942
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt listeners through the end of this year, so

943
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944
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945
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946
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947
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948
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949
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: Blinds dot com. And now let's get back to the show.

950
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: You know, I thought two things we could do, um,

951
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, for those that are still trying to fill

952
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: a tag. I thought maybe we could reiterate some of

953
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: like our best late season um philosophies, UM, because I

954
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: feel like when it comes to late season hunting every

955
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: year it I kind of my thoughts and strategy on

956
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: that get tighter and tighter, Like I feel really confident

957
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: with a few core things that if you haven't heard

958
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: some of our past late season episodes, excuse me, that

959
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: would be something that could be helpful. UM. And then

960
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: maybe take a few minutes to talk specifically about doe hunting,

961
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: because that's something we don't talk a lot about, but um,

962
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. And I get a lot of questions, like,

963
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm just trying to kill a dough

964
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: Does the advice that you guys talk about all the time,

965
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: does that still apply? Um? So, I guess let's talk

966
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: about that first. When you're out there. I'm kind of

967
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: curious for you, Dan, when you're out there trying to

968
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: kill a doe, when you're going to do hunt, are

969
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: you hunting differently than when you are out there trying

970
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: to kill a four and a half ye old buck? Uh?

971
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I mean late season. The rule of thumb

972
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: find the food, right, that should be the most important thing.

973
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: Find the food. And here in Iowa, right now, we

974
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: have about where I'm at, we have about five inches

975
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more, you know, inches of snow

976
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, and that kind of helps me in

977
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: a way. I can find well used trails, right I can.

978
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: I need to go look for their food source, which

979
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: is a crop field, which can be you know, standing corn,

980
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: standing beans, any field that may have gotten picked and

981
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: maybe the combines pretty uh um unefficient. But if you're

982
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're hunting a specific buck over a specific food source,

983
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that you're going to be running

984
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: into some does as well. So if if I'm hunting

985
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: a buck, late season a specific buck, I'm I'm more

986
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: than likely going to be running into does as well.

987
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: So that same kind of mottos model applies for any

988
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: deer really is find that late season food. Yeah, I agree.

989
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: I think the only difference is that you can just

990
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: get away with a little more um in that. You know,

991
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: when we're targeting, let's say a specific buck, I know

992
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: that if I go in there and hunt a couple

993
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: of times and spook a deer or leave cent or something,

994
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm reducing my chances of him showing up later. Um.

995
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: While I don't need to be as concerned about that

996
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting does, because it's likely there's gonna be

997
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: dough there the first night and the second night and

998
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: the third night. As long as I'm not doing something

999
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: really stupid and spooking all his deer, you're you're probably

1000
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna have them coming in. Um. So, I'm just not

1001
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: as selective as with my days. You know, when we

1002
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: talk a lot of about picking the right days to hunt,

1003
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm way more selective when it comes to that when

1004
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm targting a buck. When I'm targeting a dough almost

1005
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: especially this time of year, as long as it's not

1006
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: crazy hot. If you've got good late seasoned food, there's

1007
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: a good chance that there's gonna be some doughes coming

1008
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: to that food source in the evening, no matter if

1009
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: the moon's right, or if the bar bear matric pressure

1010
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: is right or whatever. Um So, that's one thing I

1011
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: will say. One thing I've noticed is you do still

1012
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: have to be really careful about getting busted by those

1013
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: old matriarch doughs because if they catch you in the

1014
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: tree stand once. I've seen many times where these doughs

1015
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,959
Speaker 1: the same. I don't know if it's the same dough,

1016
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: but um you see the big old Mama come into

1017
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: the food plot and we'll look right at your tree,

1018
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: right there where she saw you last time, to see

1019
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: is that sucker up there again? Um So you can't

1020
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: get away with too much with the old mother. Does

1021
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: you still got to be set up? Well? You still

1022
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be walking out of there, you know,

1023
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: through the food source and spoon king all the deer

1024
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: out at the end of the hunt. That kind of stuff.

1025
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: Um So, but yeah, I agree for me this year.

1026
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if I go out tomorrow night, I'm gonna

1027
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: be going on one of these same food plots where

1028
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: all these deer are just they're just killing it right now. Um,

1029
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: this is Brassicas have you been speaking of have your Braskas? Did?

1030
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: You did plant Brasca's right right right now. I haven't

1031
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: hunted my uh hunted that property or checked that trail

1032
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: camera yet late season, but after the leaves started to fall,

1033
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: they started to get covered up. And yes they were

1034
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: eating the Brassica leaves. But I think I planted my

1035
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Braska's too late for my specific area because I feel

1036
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: that the late as the sun started getting lower in

1037
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: the sky, you know, at the closure it got to

1038
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So I planted in in

1039
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: late August September October. They weren't getting the sun that

1040
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: they needed. And I think I mentioned this before, but

1041
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: I think I overseated as well. Oh, they didn't grow

1042
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: as big as Brassica probably should have grown by now,

1043
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: or you know, by by October. But they were still

1044
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: visiting the food plot. They were still um betting, even

1045
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: betting in it uh coming through it. Um that I

1046
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: tore down a gate but left the post. The gate

1047
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: post up turned one of them into a mock scrape tree,

1048
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: and they started using that. So it worked, but it's

1049
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: not like it was. It was almost like, hey, I'm

1050
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna stop and eat here on my way through. It

1051
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: never became a destination so to speak, which which sounds

1052
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of those things could be the case.

1053
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: And because of the size of it being relatively small,

1054
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: it's always going to kind of be a past their location.

1055
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: But I'll be interested to see if they're hitting it

1056
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: late season, because man, um, I just they you know,

1057
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: if you to have there, Almost no other time of

1058
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: year does a food plot help as much as during

1059
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: the late season when most of the other crops are down,

1060
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: and if you've got the standing food, whether it be

1061
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: standing beans or standing corn or a Braska food plot

1062
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: like this with turnips and rape and kale and all that,

1063
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: holy crap. I mean, they are just in it so

1064
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: hard right now, I would just like, like I said,

1065
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: I want to go check my camera, and um man,

1066
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: it is just it looks like a like a war

1067
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: zone with all the dug up holes and craters where

1068
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: they've been digging out turnips and stuff. Um, and they're

1069
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: they're almost all day. They're in there in the morning,

1070
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: they're and there in the middle of the day. They're

1071
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: in the evenings. UM. So I'd say the other thing

1072
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, both whether it's for

1073
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: does or bucks, is again keeping the pressure low because

1074
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: especially at this time of year, these deer have been

1075
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: hunted for two months or three months, so they're especially

1076
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: wary about hunting pressure. And UM, I do think one

1077
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: of the reasons why holy Field is still so active

1078
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: on my property here is number one, I've got the

1079
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: good food for this time of the year, and number two,

1080
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: I've been so selective with one I hunted since November eight,

1081
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: between now and November. Since now in November eight, I

1082
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: think I've hunted this property four times total, maybe five

1083
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: times total, Like I've hardly hunted it all, um. And

1084
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: I think if I was hunting a ton, this buck

1085
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: would not be present or as active as he is.

1086
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: So I think that's something that um is something to

1087
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: always keep in mind. So UM, one thing I would

1088
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: like to add late season, and it's a lot of

1089
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: it depends on how extremely cold the temperatures are. But

1090
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: I've noticed that once these deer find a food source,

1091
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: they will continue to go to this food source until

1092
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: it is gone. Right, So let's say there is uh,

1093
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: your I'll use your brassica food plot, for example, They'll

1094
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: go there until and and continue to go there until

1095
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 1: it's gone or the snows off and they can start

1096
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: finding brows elsewhere. But they're gonna be betting really close

1097
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: to that food source, especially if the weather conditions are brutal.

1098
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: They're not going to want to expend any additional energy,

1099
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, walking an additional five yards to a different

1100
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: betting area. They're gonna be betted as close as possible,

1101
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, within reason for their safety. But you know,

1102
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: it's just gonna and typically that's why you're you see

1103
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: these deer come out, you know, in these brutal conditions,

1104
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, all day long, is because they need that

1105
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: energy to stay warm. Yeah, that's a that's a huge

1106
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: point that you've made. And um like that was one

1107
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of the big learning experiences for me when I started

1108
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: hunting late season more around some of these crop areas.

1109
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 1: UM I started I messed up a few times where

1110
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: when I when I started hunting this area down here

1111
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: in Michigan for the first time, UM I was seeing

1112
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: all these deer come out and feeding in this cut

1113
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: corn field. And I remember once I thought, Okay, I'm

1114
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna sneak in there and hunt the edge of this

1115
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: cornfield that I've never hunted before. And I went sneaking

1116
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: in there in the late season and I got to

1117
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: within like thirty forty yards at the edge of the field,

1118
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: and like thirty deer erupted out of the cover, like

1119
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: twenty yards in off the field and just blew out

1120
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: of there. And ever since then, I've just known that

1121
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: these deer are betting, like you said, as close as

1122
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: they can safely be to that food. UM. So having

1123
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: an access route in there that takes that into account

1124
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: and thinking about your stand placement um is very important.

1125
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: And then the other thing, especially if you're trying to

1126
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: target a buck again, is you may want to observe

1127
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: a few times before going in, more so than during

1128
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: the rut. I mean, during the rut, you can get

1129
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: in there and stuff's gonna happen. But at this time

1130
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: of year and again you screw it up a couple

1131
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: of times, the big boys probably not going to show up.

1132
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: So sit away from where you think is good the

1133
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: first time or two or whatever if you have the

1134
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: available time, and watch and figure out specifically, Okay, this

1135
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: is where they're coming from, this is where they're entering.

1136
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: This is the wind they're using. And then you don't

1137
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: like we always say we we say a thousand times,

1138
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: but you know, drone strike it, figure out the specifics,

1139
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: and then strike when you know as best as possible

1140
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: what the situation is. And that's super important this time

1141
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: of year and late season. If there's snow on the

1142
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: ground and you found a food source, it's gonna be

1143
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: very easy to find where these deer are coming because

1144
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: there's highways leading to the food source. If you have

1145
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: standing crops or if you have um you know, any

1146
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: type of egg field that's been picked, you're going to

1147
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: You're going to see the trails in the snow. So

1148
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: it's almost a no brainer, especially if you're just going

1149
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: to set up maybe an observation stand for that first hunt.

1150
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: Walk in to the very first trail that is heavily used,

1151
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: set up within, you know, make sure your your winds right,

1152
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: but that's your that's the that's your first observation stand.

1153
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Nothing comes down there during daylight, bump to the next

1154
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: one that's entering this food source. So I love I

1155
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: love snow at this time of year. I mean, having

1156
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: snow out there makes it so much. I don't know

1157
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: if it's easier, but I guess. I mean, it's just it.

1158
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: You get to see something that you usually wouldn't see.

1159
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: And um, I love just kind of scoping out my

1160
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: property this time of year and you just see the

1161
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: travel quarters just black and white. It's so easy now

1162
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: to see where these deer consistently travel. And like, for example,

1163
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: on this Michigan property that I've been hunting so much,

1164
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten to know where these quarters are.

1165
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: But it's cool to see it written out in the snow,

1166
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: confirming what I've seen historically. Well, yeah, they're they're doing

1167
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: the same thing today and that's kind of cool to see.

1168
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: And don't shoot a shed buck. My stepdad, uh during

1169
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: the first season Shotgun this year found a shed angler.

1170
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: And there's there's pictures already of guys um out there

1171
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: who are getting show camera pictures of shed bucks. So

1172
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: if you're out to kill a dough and a dot dough,

1173
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: only be very observant about what you're shooting. Yeah, it's

1174
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: a good point. I U I have seen the same

1175
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: thing people posting those pictures, and that would be that

1176
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: would be a serious bummer to accidentally shoot, especially if

1177
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: it's a buck you've been after for a long time,

1178
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: to accidentally shoot it after his sheds, I that would

1179
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: be a worse case scenario, no doubt about that. So

1180
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: is it your daughter that's hooting and horror back there?

1181
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: Or is it one of the kids that your wife's babysitting? Man,

1182
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, could be could be one of them.

1183
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: How do you handle? How do you handle all these

1184
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: children all over the place. I crawl into a hole.

1185
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: Like I have podcasts. I try to do as many

1186
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: podcasts as I can within ah within a week, so

1187
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with that until like the

1188
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: parents come home. Then I can kind of sneak out,

1189
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: put my head out. I got my office upstairs, now,

1190
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: So what are you doing? Can you help me out here? No?

1191
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: I got a podcast I gotta do. It's just me

1192
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: with my headphones on looking at a blank computer screen.

1193
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: So sometimes I just fake it. That's good. How the

1194
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: office coming, It's pretty good. I got my sheds up here.

1195
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't have them hung yet, but I gotta. I'm

1196
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to figure out where I'm gonna

1197
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: put my desk, whether I'm gonna put it in the

1198
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: closet and turn it into kind of like a recording

1199
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: studio for the podcast. Um, and then I hang and

1200
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: hang my mounts up in different spots. I haven't really

1201
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: made that decision yet, but so the with the closet

1202
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: includes soundproofing. Yep, that sounds like a good idea. I know.

1203
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: It might also might be a secret hideout too, where

1204
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: I go in and disappear for a little while. But yeah,

1205
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: what were you saying a second ago? I interrupt you.

1206
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: You're about to I was gonna my daughter. She's in

1207
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: that I don't know. She finds pooping interesting now, so

1208
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: she so she announces to everybody that she poops. So

1209
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: we're walking. Yeah, we were in Target the other day

1210
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: and the lady goes, how are you doing? You know,

1211
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: we're checking out. Would you like a sticker? Yes? I

1212
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: would like a sticker. I pooped in the big girl

1213
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: like like father, like daughter, right, So just imagine if

1214
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: that continued on through throughout our life. So it was like, uh,

1215
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: would you like paper plastic? I would like plastic because

1216
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: I pooped in the big boy potty today. Oh kids, Yeah,

1217
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: it's uh, my life is a circus. It's hilarious, Like

1218
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: my son. He's starting to get these He's gonna be

1219
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: a comedian. I swear to god. He's making all these

1220
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: funny facial expressions and like, yeah, just like when he

1221
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: walks into the room, he he kind of has his

1222
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: shoulders back and his head up and he does this

1223
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: little wattle and uh, this big old cheese er grin

1224
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: on his face. And it's pretty cool to see until

1225
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: But but when they're sleep deprived, they both turned into

1226
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: a holes. And uh, then that's when it that's when

1227
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 1: it really it gets interesting. Yeah, I imagine I can't

1228
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: wait till you you have a kid, and you know

1229
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: it's like, how how bad can being you know, how

1230
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: bad can being a parent really be? And then you

1231
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: have these thoughts in your head, like I wonder how

1232
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: much I could get for them if I sell them? Wait,

1233
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: I can. I'm not supposed to think about that. I'm

1234
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: a loving father. I should never think about selling my children.

1235
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: But then you actually have that random thought comes through

1236
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: your head. You know, when one of them is covered

1237
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: in their own feces, well it could be their own feces,

1238
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: and the other ones, you know, been crying for fifteen

1239
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: minutes because you gave her a blue cup and not

1240
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: the pink cup. You know that kind of that kind

1241
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, I'll tell you what I uh, I

1242
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what. I don't know what hposectomy.

1243
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: Focus on your blog for the rest of your life.

1244
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: If you want kids, go to your in laws and

1245
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, your your sister, your wife's sister or whatever.

1246
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: Play play with them, get their fix. Then go on

1247
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: to and you know, if you want to pass you know,

1248
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: if you want to pass on the hunting tradition to

1249
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: someone and volunteer at a school. At the same time.

1250
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: I love my kids and I love my family, but

1251
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: let's be realistic. Kids can be a holes. That's I'm

1252
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: just gonna leave it right there that I love I

1253
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: love my kids. Compared closing our closing thoughts, there's We've

1254
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: got a good balance here, Dan, because I know there's

1255
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: people that listen to me talk about would I do

1256
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: and they just shake their heads and they're like, that

1257
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: guy's a jerk. He doesn't have kids, he has no idea,

1258
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: And then they get to hear you and they're like, uh,

1259
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: someone can relate, So you know, then he got the

1260
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: other guys is why is Dan even on the show.

1261
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: All he does is bitch about his his kids all

1262
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: the all the time. That's true. So we've we've got

1263
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: a couple of people in each of our corner. I

1264
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: bet so well. I think that's probably a good place

1265
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: for us to wrap it up. Dan, anything else, uh,

1266
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: anything else we should we should leave things with here? Um,

1267
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Man. Good luck you know, to

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01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: all the listeners, good luck late season. Hopefully you get

1269
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: what you know, get what you're going after. And uh yeah,

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01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Good luck to those

1271
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: out there. And then shoot, before we know it, we're

1272
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna have one more episode this year, and then it's

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen and we're gonna starting the whole

1274
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: cycle all over again, and dreaming about what's gonna happen

1275
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: next year and shed hunting and scouting and all sorts

1276
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. Can you believe that? And I see, man,

1277
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: my season down over yet. I honestly don't want to

1278
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: think about that yet, because like, I'm going on to

1279
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: Elk hunt in Colorado, uh next year, So I'm like

1280
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that a little bit, But I don't

1281
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: want this season to be over yet because I've spent

1282
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: so little time in a tree this year. Yeah, you

1283
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: have you since you're rut? How many times have you

1284
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: since you're rut killing? November three? How many times he

1285
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: got hunt? Or? Is that? Do we not make that public? Zero?

1286
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: What I haven't? I haven't. I have not been in

1287
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: a tree stand since the night I killed my buck.

1288
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I had no idea. I thought that

1289
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: you were still heading out, you know, shoot a doll

1290
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: or you told me that you were still going to

1291
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: go out there and maybe try to shoot a second buck. Yeah,

1292
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: I got until what January nine is when I leave

1293
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: to go to a t A show. So between now

1294
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: and then, and temperatures are supposed to be in the

1295
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: mid uh in the mid two, mid thirties to low

1296
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: forties for the next fifteen days. So you missed the window.

1297
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: This is this last week or two has been the

1298
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: great late season weather, right, not both season yet? Why

1299
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: haven't we been talking about this? I don't know. I

1300
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. I'm depressed and plus

1301
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: and plus I have to go mail some packages for

1302
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: my wife. Uh so we have to end the podcast now,

1303
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: all right, Well, maybe next week we'll talk about Dan's

1304
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: late season strategy. How about that? Oh but but then

1305
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,839
Speaker 1: didn't we want to talk about the Nine Finger Chronicles

1306
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: real quick before we go? Yeah? Sure? Um, well, the

1307
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: Nine Finger Chronicles in a way is kind of like

1308
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: the an extension of the Wired to Hunt podcast. I mean,

1309
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: on the Wired to Hunt podcast, we talk a lot

1310
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: about strategy and actually how to kill the big deer.

1311
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: But I've been I I was getting a lot of

1312
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: emails from guys asking me about products, and it kind

1313
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: of lit a fire in my head. You know, no one,

1314
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: no one is out there doing a bow hunting podcast

1315
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: on actual products. So I had this idea to start

1316
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: the Nine Finger Chronicles podcast, and it revolves around product

1317
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: gear and information. So you know, we have a lot

1318
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: of people come on the show. For example, Um, we

1319
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: had an engineer from bear Bow come Bear Bows, Bear

1320
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: Archery come on the show and talk about the products,

1321
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: the product designed, the innovation in the company history, um,

1322
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,919
Speaker 1: and everything that kind of goes into the actual product.

1323
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: It's not some celebrity or it's not somebody who's getting

1324
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: paid to rep the product. The information is coming right

1325
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth. And uh, and then we we

1326
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: have product reviews where I have average Joe's come on

1327
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: the show and they talk about their experience with certain products,

1328
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: and it's a completely unbiased opinion of these products. You know,

1329
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: these guys aren't repping the product, they're not getting paid

1330
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: to wrap the products. So in a way, it's information,

1331
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: useful information to to my listeners about all these different

1332
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: random products that are in the in the bow hunting industry.

1333
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, uh. And we cover everything

1334
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: from trail cameras to oh bows, tree stands, everything, broadheads, arrows,

1335
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: everything that a bow hunter needs, we we we cover it.

1336
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: And then the second part of the podcast is the

1337
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: hunter profiles, which in in the b S sessions that

1338
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: I do is what I call them, and it's too

1339
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: It's it's basically average Joe's who have had successful hunting seasons.

1340
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about you know, big bucks you

1341
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: have in order to be on the podcast, you have

1342
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: to kill a big buck. I mean, these are people

1343
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: who define success in their own ways. So you know,

1344
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: a lot of it revolves around bow hunting. So we

1345
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: talk about the properties that they hunt, whether it's public

1346
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: or private. We talk about, you know, the history they've

1347
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: had with this deer, the setups. You know, it's basically

1348
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: a story of an individual's hunting season or hunting two

1349
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: or three seasons, or an actual profile of a buck

1350
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: that they've hunted for a certain number of years. And uh,

1351
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: the b S sessions are just that two guys s

1352
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: and about bow hunting. So um, it's just something that

1353
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: I love to talk about. And I figured, hell, why

1354
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: not start a podcast? Where'd you get that idea? From? No? No?

1355
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: So that you you started nine finger chronicles. Uh, in

1356
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: addition to your help over here, you started that last fall,

1357
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: I think our last winter. So it's been about a year.

1358
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: And one of the things I always wondered, especially when

1359
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: you're just getting started out, was when you're having these

1360
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,879
Speaker 1: guys on from these different companies. They work for this company,

1361
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: this brand. I always wondered, how much of the time

1362
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: they're blowing smoke up your butt. You know, they're they're

1363
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: hyping their product and they're saying all these big things.

1364
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: How much do you think that happens? And then have

1365
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: you ever had to challenge someone because you just know

1366
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: it's bs what they're saying. Have you ever had to

1367
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: be like kind of calm out, like are you sure

1368
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: your product can really do that. Yeah, um, in a way.

1369
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: Yet I'm not I'm not going to ask them straight

1370
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: out if if they're telling me that their products gonna

1371
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: do something, then you know, I'm not the person who

1372
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: wants to make the decision on that product or call

1373
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: them out on it. That's the job of the listeners.

1374
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm basically a conduit for information from that company to

1375
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: the listeners ears. And yes, yes, I've had to play

1376
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: devil's advocate a few times on some of these companies

1377
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: who um their claim maybe a little bit, uh, I

1378
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: guess louder. You know, they're they're pounding their chest a

1379
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: little bit louder than maybe what they should. I'm not

1380
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to knock them down, but I will question

1381
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: it because it deserves to be questioned. If that makes sense, Yeah,

1382
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: I know it does. And I guess that's probably partly

1383
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: where your kind of listener reviews come into because the

1384
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: people that heard these things can then go try the

1385
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: products and come back to you and and tell you

1386
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: what they actually thought about some of this stuff, which

1387
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 1: is kind of cool, right, And the cool thing about

1388
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: it is it's all walks of life. Guys, guys and

1389
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: even gals all the walks of life who come on

1390
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: the podcast and uh and chat and you're getting you're

1391
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: getting product information from the people who actually spend the

1392
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: money to purchase it and who are using them on

1393
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, a daily basis throughout the hunting season. So

1394
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, when when me and you look for products

1395
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: that we're gonna purchase, we're looking at reviews. You know,

1396
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: we're looking at the people who are satisfied or unsatisfied

1397
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 1: with them on a on a yearly basis and basically

1398
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: see what they have to say. It's awesome, that's definitely.

1399
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the kind of stuff that we want

1400
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: when we're when we're shopping, is getting a real unbiased

1401
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: review from people that are super serious just like we are.

1402
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: So the one thing I'm curious about is have you

1403
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: ever had someone on your show that's as weird as me? Dude,

1404
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: you're not weird, You're not weird saying there's weirder, there's

1405
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: weirder people out there, there's weirder people. But and I

1406
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: feel that I'm weird, Well, yeah you are. I'm very weird.

1407
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: So I think that's why that's why that all works.

1408
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: That's why that's why this works, you know me and

1409
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 1: you so true. Well, hey, man, I think that's awesome.

1410
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you know the podcast is doing

1411
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: well and that you're having fun with it and find

1412
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: it valuable. And that's awesome that have we met. Have

1413
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: we hit the one year mark? YEP, October of this

1414
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen was the one year mark. I've

1415
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: broken my hundred episode marks. So I'm pretty happy with

1416
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: the way everything's going. And from the feedback I get

1417
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: from the listeners, um, they're they're happy with it too.

1418
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of a blessing. And I know

1419
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: you you joked about it earlier, but it's a lot

1420
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: of this is kind of and offspring of the Wire

1421
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast. I mean you you kind of motivated

1422
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: me to to start this, and I think it's just

1423
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: an extension of what you know, we we as hunters

1424
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: talk about on the Wire to Hunt podcast. So I

1425
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: owe you a thank you as well. Not a problem

1426
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: at all, dude, I'm excited for you, excited it's going well.

1427
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, So if you haven't checked out Nine

1428
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: Finger Chronicles yet, which I think a lot of you

1429
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: probably have, but if you haven't yet, search it out

1430
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: on iTunes or your website, and what's what's the U R?

1431
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: All again, Dan, nine finger Chronicles dot Com all spelled

1432
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: out perfect? All right, man, Well, now we really are

1433
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: going to shut it down and go go return that

1434
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: package or whatever it was you're supposed to do for

1435
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: your wife. That's right, that's right. I think I'm gonna

1436
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: be late. But a story, all right, story of your life? Okay,

1437
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: Well that is going to be it for us today.

1438
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: So we just need to thank our partners who do

1439
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: help us keep this show on the air. Thank you

1440
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: to sit a Gear, Redneck, Blinds, hun Tera, Maps, Yeti Coolers, Ozonics,

1441
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and the White Tailed Institute of

1442
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: North America. And of course thank you all for listening today.

1443
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: I hope you have a very merry Christmas and a

1444
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: happy holiday season. And until next time, stay a Wired

1445
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: to Hunt m