WEBVTT - CZM Rewind: The Green Hell: Migration Through the Darién Gap

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<v Speaker 1>The media.

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<v Speaker 2>The most difficult part of the journey is when you

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<v Speaker 2>are treking and you meet dead bodies on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes you weep, it makes you cry, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>only one focus in the forest ahead. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going. You'll see mother's children. They are crying just

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<v Speaker 2>to have a sip of water. It is not easy.

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<v Speaker 3>A few weeks ago, I found myself sitting beside the

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<v Speaker 3>Tuquesa River on a warm afternoon in late September, making

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<v Speaker 3>faces at a two months old baby as we both

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<v Speaker 3>marveled at the cloud yellow butterflies. Anywhere else on earth,

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<v Speaker 3>it could be in a dyllic summer day, But in

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<v Speaker 3>these final steps, as a journey across a daddy and gap,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to open up your mind to experience joy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd only been in the tiny Ember village of Bahujiguito

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of days, and I had already seen the

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<v Speaker 3>lifeless body of a little girl, as though the migrants

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<v Speaker 3>carried her into town the river I was sleeping around him,

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<v Speaker 3>with this group of migrants resting here in the shade,

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<v Speaker 3>had swept sleeping children to their deaths earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 3>and up to stream of me there were at least

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<v Speaker 3>three people's remains here. It was shin deep, but crossing

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<v Speaker 3>up stream where it's above head height and rages down

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<v Speaker 3>out of the mountains in steep ravines. Was the migrants

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<v Speaker 3>I walked back to town with told me the stuff of nightmares.

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<v Speaker 3>The voice you just heard was a migrant from Cameroon

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<v Speaker 3>who called himself James. That's not his real name, and

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<v Speaker 3>astute listeners would have noticed that it is my real name,

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<v Speaker 3>but for the protection of James and his family, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a name be using when I met James. We're in

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<v Speaker 3>a migrant reception center called Las Blancas, to the north

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<v Speaker 3>of the Daliang Gap. To get there, one has to

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<v Speaker 3>take a dugout canoe called a piragua from Bajo Jaquito.

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<v Speaker 3>The voyage takes five hours, and for that five hours,

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<v Speaker 3>migrants are packed fifteen to a boat wearing bright orange

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<v Speaker 3>life jackets. They share the boat with nembra piraguero, who

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<v Speaker 3>sits at the back driving the boat with a tooth

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<v Speaker 3>stroke motor, and a guide who sits on the front,

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<v Speaker 3>using a pole when necessary to push the boat through

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<v Speaker 3>shallow sections. The Umbrada people are indigenous to the area.

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<v Speaker 3>That's commonly known as the Daliang Gap, or at least

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<v Speaker 3>to this part of it, and a tiny Emberda village

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<v Speaker 3>of Bajo Jiquito. It's a first settlement migrants encounter as

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<v Speaker 3>they emerge from the perilous crossing of the jungle that

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<v Speaker 3>divides Central America from South America and thousands of people

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<v Speaker 3>from a better future. There's a morale patch that the

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<v Speaker 3>Panamanian Border Patrol and military wear on their uniforms. There

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<v Speaker 3>reflects a slogan in a government messaging campaign, Darien asuna Jungla.

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<v Speaker 3>It says. The campaign was launched in August, and it

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<v Speaker 3>translates to the Darien isn't a route or maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>roads A better translation, it's a jungle. Obviously it's actually both,

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<v Speaker 3>but this is like no route. Most of us will

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<v Speaker 3>be familiar with. The dark and foreboding jungle I saw

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<v Speaker 3>in Bahajiguito is one of the most impenetrable on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>and the crossing of it is among the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>land migration routes. In the nineteen seventies, the British Army

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<v Speaker 3>sent its most experienced explorers to find a way through

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<v Speaker 3>the gap. Their commander called the gap a god forsaken place. Today,

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<v Speaker 3>migrants have their own names for it, lut del Mote

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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes the Green Hell. Here's a group from Cameroon

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<v Speaker 3>explaining why they didn't see a future there and they

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<v Speaker 3>decided to take this dangerous route.

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<v Speaker 4>We are coming from Cameroon. IM My name is Flowers.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of crisis in our country. That's a

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<v Speaker 4>civil war going on in Cameroon right now because of

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<v Speaker 4>our president. President Pombia has been in power over forty

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<v Speaker 4>two years. So I was the anglophone. We started revolting

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<v Speaker 4>for him to step down because he doesn't develop the

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<v Speaker 4>Southern American sorry, the English section of Cameroon anglerphone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the anglophone sections a revolts that he was set in

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<v Speaker 4>the military and it's killing the citizens of our country.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of harshship, a lot of that. Eye

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<v Speaker 4>for one, I've lost everybody. I lost for my family,

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<v Speaker 4>my mom, my dad, my two brothers, and I'm the

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<v Speaker 4>only one left.

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<v Speaker 3>So things.

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<v Speaker 4>No, there's no job of completed school, but there's nothing

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<v Speaker 4>for me to do. So that's why it decided to migrate.

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<v Speaker 3>To get to baho Jiqito from Columbia. It's James and

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<v Speaker 3>other migrants did. There's no road you can take. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't even take a boat or a train. Instead, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to walk the Dairying Gap, an area of rainforested mountains,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's one of the most dangerous migration routes in

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<v Speaker 3>the world. For anywhere between two and fifteen days, migrant

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<v Speaker 3>trek through waste time, mud, and rivers deeper than they

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<v Speaker 3>are at all. They must climb giant boulders, cross perilous ravines,

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<v Speaker 3>and traverse sheer cliff faces, all of this with barely

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<v Speaker 3>any water than what they can carry, little to no food,

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<v Speaker 3>inadequate clothing, a terrible footwear, and no medical attention. They

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<v Speaker 3>must walk past dead bodies and past people who might

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<v Speaker 3>soon become dead bodies as they beg for help. They

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<v Speaker 3>carry their children, their dreams, and sometimes each other. Across

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<v Speaker 3>mountains and rivers and abou jiqito. They take what, for

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<v Speaker 3>many of them will be the final steps of this

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<v Speaker 3>part of their journey. It's a journey that few of

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<v Speaker 3>us can imagine, and they were lucky to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to avoid. My own migration to the US sixteen years

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<v Speaker 3>ago was much simpler and safer, but for migrants like James,

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<v Speaker 3>the journey's worth it because what they're leaving behind is worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's James describing the situation in the state of Cameroon.

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<v Speaker 2>The situation in Cameroon is, how can I put it,

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<v Speaker 2>very very, very very difficult, especially in the Anglophone part

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. Yeah, because for about five to six

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<v Speaker 2>years there's a world the ongoing war in the Anglophone crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>We also have been there has been fighting, There has

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<v Speaker 2>been shooting, killings. I myself speaking to you, Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been targeted. My cousin was shot and with his husband

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<v Speaker 2>were shot together. Both of them were nursis and they

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<v Speaker 2>were shot by the army that were there to protect

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<v Speaker 2>the people. So the situation back at home, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>very tense. Yeah, the very times when you see most

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<v Speaker 2>of Camaronians traveling taking the rigs part from Columbia brazy

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<v Speaker 2>right up to where I am. It is not because

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<v Speaker 2>they like it. It's because of the situation back at

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<v Speaker 2>home and most of it, and most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>it is the anglophone population that is suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They choose this part because they will not have a

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<v Speaker 2>direct visard to American Yeah, it's very hard to get

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<v Speaker 2>one yes, it's very, very difficult, so they have to

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<v Speaker 2>use the hard way.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is the only way. The truth is dead bodies,

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<v Speaker 3>terrible stories and families celebrating the end of their work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's nothing out of the ordinary. And bahu Jikito, the

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<v Speaker 3>Enbarra town, with the population of just five hundred and ninety,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a place I've been trying to come to for

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<v Speaker 3>almost as long as I've been writing about migration. There

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<v Speaker 3>are a few stories in my time as a journalist

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<v Speaker 3>that I've been pitching for close to a decade. Most

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<v Speaker 3>of the time I give up if there are no

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<v Speaker 3>bites after a few months, And that's why you won't

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<v Speaker 3>see me right about the people who tried to hire

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<v Speaker 3>mercenaries to intimidate voters in twenty twenty, or the Burmese

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<v Speaker 3>rebels whof I did their revolution with co op produced tea,

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<v Speaker 3>or a surfing team in the Gaza strip, And on reflection,

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<v Speaker 3>you probably won't hear about that last one anywhere. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The media cycle has a way of coming around to

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<v Speaker 3>these stories eventually, sure, but I not really want to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to what it is who didn't give a

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<v Speaker 3>shit about people before and only care about their stories

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<v Speaker 3>now because they get more traffic. But there's one story

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<v Speaker 3>I've never given up on. That's the story of the

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<v Speaker 3>Daddy and Gap and the people who risk their lives

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<v Speaker 3>crossing it for a shot at the American dream. And

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<v Speaker 3>at this point I do want to tegnlolize. I'm incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>grateful to the people I work with for trusting me

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<v Speaker 3>when I asked them to pay for me to disappear

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<v Speaker 3>in a dugout canoe into the jungle and come back

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks later with a story. The Daddy and looms

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<v Speaker 3>in the stories of migrants I meet in the US

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<v Speaker 3>border as a sort of heart of darkness on what

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<v Speaker 3>is a very difficult and dangerous journey. It's worse than

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<v Speaker 3>the freight trains they hop on in Mexico, worse in

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<v Speaker 3>the crowded worse even than the months of waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>an asylum appointment. I've only believe that you can't really

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<v Speaker 3>understand and write about things you haven't seen, smelt, and heard.

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<v Speaker 3>So for years I've been asking get it Is to

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<v Speaker 3>send me to the tiny ember Our community on the

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<v Speaker 3>banks of the river, so that I could share the

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<v Speaker 3>final steps of this horrific journey with the people who

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<v Speaker 3>see little option but to risk their lives for a

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<v Speaker 3>better future for their children. Because the US refuses to

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<v Speaker 3>create more legal pathways, people instead take a sudden pathway

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<v Speaker 3>straight up and down the mountains to the Darian rainforest.

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<v Speaker 3>The journey will take them past the corpse of the

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<v Speaker 3>people who never left. The terrain is too fierce for

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<v Speaker 3>anyone to carry their remains out, so they must simply

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<v Speaker 3>rut there as a reminder to migrants, so they must

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<v Speaker 3>keep going. It's a sort of deterrent through death that

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<v Speaker 3>has been the unofficial and official US border policy for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>To turn or not. Once you're in the Darien, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no turning back, and the lack of escape routes has

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<v Speaker 3>made the gap popular among criminals to commit untold numbers

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<v Speaker 3>of sexual assaults, murders, and armed robberies every year in

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<v Speaker 3>the jungle. Despite this, more than half a million migrants

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<v Speaker 3>made the perilous journey last year, and if many, if

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<v Speaker 3>not more, will do so this year. Do you understand that, Daddy?

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<v Speaker 3>And you have to first understand US immigration policy, which

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<v Speaker 3>is something I talk about a lot on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to include here a clip from Amos, a

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<v Speaker 3>migrant from North Africa who met my friends and helped

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<v Speaker 3>them build shelters in a cumber last year, explaining his

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<v Speaker 3>journey to the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>So another route right now, which is a difficult route,

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<v Speaker 5>is through Brazil because Brazil has a I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if you guys know, and I think they do that

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<v Speaker 5>for Americans too. Yeah, so Brazil has sort of I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know the word, but the equivalent to them is

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<v Speaker 5>if you impose of his own Brazil Brazilians were imposed

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<v Speaker 5>of his own news.

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<v Speaker 6>They do that to Americans.

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<v Speaker 7>Too, So.

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<v Speaker 5>You know where I'm from. They don't have a visa

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<v Speaker 5>to uh as far as for Brazilians, so we don't.

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<v Speaker 5>So a lot of Africans can go to Brazil and

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<v Speaker 5>from Brazil take the the.

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<v Speaker 6>Route all the way.

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<v Speaker 3>That game was Jim couldn't fly here directly that he

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<v Speaker 3>was able to get a little bit closer to the

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<v Speaker 3>US by flying to Columbia. I'll let him explain how

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<v Speaker 3>he pulled that off.

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<v Speaker 2>For me to have a pass to Colombia, it was

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<v Speaker 2>not easy. So we had we had to There was

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<v Speaker 2>a female female on that twenty World Cup that was

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<v Speaker 2>that was taking place in Colombia, so we had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Columbia as football fans. That's why they had

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<v Speaker 2>They had to give us our Biza.

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<v Speaker 3>That is all right.

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<v Speaker 2>From Colombia, we'll find our way out of the airport to.

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<v Speaker 3>Where we are today. Most are Continental America. We'll have

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<v Speaker 3>to travel to Brazil, just like Amos. Here's one a cap.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll let the speaks introduce himselves.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is so I m I'm from Idan.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is mohade for Omraan, my name is Ali,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm from Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>They told me why they left a run, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure manygi could wear that went out of yourself, so

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<v Speaker 3>we won't included here. How did you come from Iran?

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<v Speaker 3>To hear you got for Turkey?

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<v Speaker 6>It was so difficult, And we.

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<v Speaker 8>Came from Iran, Tehran to Dubai, after that South all

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<v Speaker 8>of Brazil and after that believe Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and

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<v Speaker 8>Nikoklei and jungle Panama. Here Panama. And it was so

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<v Speaker 8>difficult for us because we are young. We just leave

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<v Speaker 8>our family, my sister, my mother, father. It was so emotional, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>and it was so hard for us. But because of

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<v Speaker 8>the freedom, because we can't speak in our country.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, if you speaking in your in the street,

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<v Speaker 6>something like it. They will arrest you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, in jail when you are not Muslim, when you

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<v Speaker 8>really like something like a Christian or something else.

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<v Speaker 6>They arrassed.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, it was. It was so so, so, so difficult

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<v Speaker 8>living in Iran. But it's a wonderful country. But not government.

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<v Speaker 3>When I talk to migrants, I always want to offer

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<v Speaker 3>them the chance to share their stories in ways that

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<v Speaker 3>they want to share them. And I asked them what

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<v Speaker 3>they would want to say if they could talk directly

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<v Speaker 3>to Americans. It's a question I ask a lot, because

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<v Speaker 3>in all the coverage of migration I've seen in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>I rarely see migrants' voices. I'm very familiar with being

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<v Speaker 3>the only journalist in a place, and i'd be lying.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I didn't prefer it that way, But I

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<v Speaker 3>do always feel obliged to use the platform I have

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<v Speaker 3>here to give people a chance to share their stories,

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<v Speaker 3>their voices, and their struggles.

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<v Speaker 9>So he's their message, We love you, hope too you

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<v Speaker 9>love is that's hard question?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I think that's very good.

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<v Speaker 9>It will be our next home, and we should be

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<v Speaker 9>proud of that, We should be worth for that, we

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<v Speaker 9>should be be a real American for the concert.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they know women are very bad situations, have a

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<v Speaker 7>bad situation in Itra. Yeah, for all people, that is saying,

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<v Speaker 7>but for women is very, very, very hard. I think

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<v Speaker 7>American people know about Massa Amini. Yeah, and they really

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<v Speaker 7>they chill us, really they chill women for simple things.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard hundreds of stories like this in my time

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<v Speaker 3>about how Jiqito and the last Blancast migrant reception center

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<v Speaker 3>that migrants traveled to after they arrive in Bajo Chiquito.

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<v Speaker 3>People left horrific things behind them and saw horrific things

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<v Speaker 3>on their journey, but they all remained hopeful for a

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<v Speaker 3>better future in America. These journeys, in some cases, could

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<v Speaker 3>take a year or more. When napoally Man I met

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<v Speaker 3>in Bajo Juquito, I had spent thirty months just to

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<v Speaker 3>get that far, and among his group, his journey had

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<v Speaker 3>been the fastest. As long as these journeys are, that

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<v Speaker 3>darien often stands out as the hardest part. Do understand

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<v Speaker 3>why I want to take you back to that shady

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<v Speaker 3>spot by the river just a few minutes south of

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<v Speaker 3>Bajo Juquito. So what I'm doing right now and you

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<v Speaker 3>can hear from my foot depths is I'm doing what

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<v Speaker 3>it told me not to do. I'm walking along the

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<v Speaker 3>migrant trail. Lots of like vines and creepers, and oh

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<v Speaker 3>fucking hell, that's me nearly eating shit. There's little bits

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<v Speaker 3>of tape marking a trail. I think they just come

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<v Speaker 3>down the river here. Some local guys are pushing out

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<v Speaker 3>wheelbarrows on the trail to dump trash. There's trash everywhere

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<v Speaker 3>to fucking mess the little wood arrows that they've carved

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<v Speaker 3>just outside town to direct people into town. And if

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<v Speaker 3>I heeard, I can see migrants making what's probably hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>their final crossing of the river here. One thing I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed was that as soon as I got out of

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<v Speaker 3>sight in nearshot of the town, the jungle seems a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more intimidating. I'm somebody spends a lot of time

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<v Speaker 3>in the mountains, and I grew up playing in the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm comfortable outdoors, and I frequently camp and hike for

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<v Speaker 3>days on my own. I like it better that way,

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<v Speaker 3>and I might see more comfortable forty feet under the

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<v Speaker 3>sea free diving, or three hours from the nearest road.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I am in a busy city sometimes, but in

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<v Speaker 3>the jungle. After all the stories I'd heard that week,

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<v Speaker 3>I was afraid. I get scary. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, everything's new to me. I'm, you know, relatively

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable in the outdoors, but fucking there's new animals, there's

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<v Speaker 3>new plants. I don't know what's poisonous. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to kill me, and know who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>try and hurt me. Got another fucking horse, Jesus wept.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm jumping out my skin everything Now it's funny. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in a place that's beautiful, you know, like these better

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<v Speaker 3>paradise plants are just just growing here, gorgeousness. Horses belong

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<v Speaker 3>to people of the bah community. I suppose having snacks,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, eating jungle horse food. And here here, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>at the river. It's wide here, it's sort of shallow,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's been dammed up a little bit with rubbish,

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<v Speaker 3>just like flop some and jets some kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this is where people cross because of that

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<v Speaker 3>little dam. But it's still got some four to it,

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<v Speaker 3>like you wouldn't want to fall and crack your head

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, a lot of these folks can't swim

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<v Speaker 3>without the fear it's hard going. Because you've only hiked

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<v Speaker 3>on trails, you perhaps don't realize how much work goes

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<v Speaker 3>into making that surface possible. There are no trail crews

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<v Speaker 3>in the Darien, and as a result, every step has

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<v Speaker 3>the potential to results in a sprained ankle or another injury,

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<v Speaker 3>which might sound trivial but can be faithal in such

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<v Speaker 3>a remote and challenging place. Trail is all rocks, like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe rocks the size of a fist that way now,

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<v Speaker 3>and then there are sort of in this area we

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<v Speaker 3>only have the lower canopy, so we have ferns, We

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<v Speaker 3>have reeds, bamboo plants growing really tall and straight, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what they use for the poles that they pit I was,

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<v Speaker 3>and then sort of low grassy kind of plants. And

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<v Speaker 3>then where the migrants walk is just this muddy trail

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<v Speaker 3>that every time it rains just turns into like ankle

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<v Speaker 3>to knee deep mud. And I could see them making

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<v Speaker 3>pretty slow progress along the trail towards me. At the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, as I took a pedagua back

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<v Speaker 3>to Madragante, where I would be staying the night, I

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<v Speaker 3>reflected again on this and the incredible tenacity it took

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<v Speaker 3>for people with little outdoor experience and terrible equipment to

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<v Speaker 3>pass through the jungle. You know, I'm a fit person.

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<v Speaker 3>I run ultramarathons. I used to be exercised for a living.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's fucking hard. It's wet. Everything's wet all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>You're wet from the rain, then you're wet. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>wet from the sweat, and you're wet. If you cross rivers,

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<v Speaker 3>you get wet. You just can't stay dry. And everyone's

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<v Speaker 3>feet are just fucked when they get into town, like

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<v Speaker 3>the size of the blisters I've seen, And like one

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<v Speaker 3>lady had a cramp today where like it just locked

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<v Speaker 3>up a whole that she like I grabbed her. She

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<v Speaker 3>was falling down and I was able to like hold

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<v Speaker 3>her up. But people are really pushing themselves physically as

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<v Speaker 3>well as psychologically. That river crossing south of Bachigiso was

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<v Speaker 3>as far south as I was going to be to

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<v Speaker 3>get without being forcibly adjaced from Panama, and my request

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<v Speaker 3>to take a boat or walk further south was denied

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<v Speaker 3>by the Panamanian Ministry of Security. So the only part

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<v Speaker 3>of the migrants journey I would share with them was

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<v Speaker 3>the last kilometer or so of their walk. Even then,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't really supposed to be leaving town at all,

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<v Speaker 3>So several times over the days I spent in Bahajigito,

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<v Speaker 3>I would look over my shoulder, hop down the river bank,

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<v Speaker 3>jump across the stream, and lightly jog out of town.

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<v Speaker 3>Once on the trail, I'd started to walk slowly and

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<v Speaker 3>try and waive a groups of outcoming migrants. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to scare them. I offered to carry their bags

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<v Speaker 3>and let any help I could, supporting them as they

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<v Speaker 3>walked towards their first meal and clean drink of water

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<v Speaker 3>in up to a week. Just getting to baj Gito

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<v Speaker 3>was a journey in itself for me. I took two flights,

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<v Speaker 3>a five hour drive which was efnally split between paved roads,

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<v Speaker 3>roads that aspired to pavement, and dirt roads. At the

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<v Speaker 3>end of our road journey, the Pan American Highway, the

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<v Speaker 3>links Alaska to Argentina, seems to give up on fighting

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<v Speaker 3>the jungle and Peter's out. Asphalt turned to worse asphalt,

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<v Speaker 3>which turned to dirt, which turned to mud, which led

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<v Speaker 3>us to a river. A driver, however, was prepared for this.

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<v Speaker 3>The drive here was mad like that road was fucked.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in this tiny little guard. The driver took off

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<v Speaker 3>his shoes and socks to conduct the more technical section

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<v Speaker 3>of the drive, which I thought was quite amasing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>really steep, lots of holes, lots of potholes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just really rutted out kind of dirt road. And then

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<v Speaker 3>we got here and took to some guys, negotiated a

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<v Speaker 3>price and told him where we wanted to go, and

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<v Speaker 3>they said, yeah, sure, buy some water, you know, snow

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<v Speaker 3>water on the way about three hours and so we

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<v Speaker 3>bought some water right there, and yeah, here we are

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<v Speaker 3>on the boat now, as you can hear. I recorded

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<v Speaker 3>this on a piragua. It's a kind of dugout canoe

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<v Speaker 3>with the hole made out of a single tree and

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<v Speaker 3>a toothstroke motor bolted on the back. It's the only

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<v Speaker 3>way to travel here other than on your feet, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's the only way the Embarra can get the produced

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<v Speaker 3>cigaret to market. The skill of the piragueros, the people

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<v Speaker 3>who drive the piraguas, is incredible. They navigate parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the river so shallow that they have to pull up

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<v Speaker 3>the toothstroke motor. And I noticed all the motors have

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<v Speaker 3>propellers that are covered in chips and bashes from smacking

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<v Speaker 3>into the rocks at the bottom. In the bow of

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<v Speaker 3>the boat, I sat on top of my giant rucksack,

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<v Speaker 3>marveling at the birds, insects, and foliage of the jungle,

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<v Speaker 3>and occasionally I jumped up to make fairly useless contributions

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<v Speaker 3>with the boat's bamboo pole under the close supervision of Marcellino,

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<v Speaker 3>a driver and are soon to be host homstly just

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<v Speaker 3>laughed at me as I leaned my whole way into

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<v Speaker 3>the pole, which notably slipped, and I tried to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>falling face first into the chocolate brown water. On the

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<v Speaker 3>way to bat Jiquito, we passed several small lember our villages.

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<v Speaker 3>Little children waved at us from the banks or from

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<v Speaker 3>the shallows of the river where they washed and played.

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<v Speaker 3>Adults looked on I, doubtless worthy. One nurse's excrect tree

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<v Speaker 3>white dude was doing going the wrong way on the

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<v Speaker 3>river for a migrant, but they smiled and waved back anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>After an overnight flight, a five hour drive, and three

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<v Speaker 3>hours in a dugout canoe, we rounded a corner in

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<v Speaker 3>the river and ba Jigito came into view. Over the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years, it reorientated itself from a tiny indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>village to an unofficial reception center for migrants. On my

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<v Speaker 3>hopelessly outdated topo map, the area has nothing but contours

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<v Speaker 3>and green shading, no roads, no trails, no markets of

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<v Speaker 3>human existence at all. And perhaps that's how the state

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<v Speaker 3>sees this place. That Daddy Inn is as real to

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<v Speaker 3>most Panamanians a Sesame street or Jurassic Park. But for

0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.439
<v Speaker 3>the mber this has been their home since long before

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<v Speaker 3>Panama and Columbia and even maps existed. A few dozen

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<v Speaker 3>houses in the village, mostly built on stilts to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>the seasonal floods, now offer up their rooms as hostels

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<v Speaker 3>for the migrants. Some of them have enclosed at bottom

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<v Speaker 3>floor using plywood or cinder blocks. Others have strung hammocks

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<v Speaker 3>from their support posts. For four or five bugs, migrants

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<v Speaker 3>can get their first good night's sleep since they left

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<v Speaker 3>Neck or Clee in Columbia as much as a week before.

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<v Speaker 3>Along the main street, which is really just to raise

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<v Speaker 3>concrete footpath about a meter across, you can buy a

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<v Speaker 3>meal any of half a dozen places for five bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get an hour of Wi Fi for a dollar,

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<v Speaker 3>or charge your phone for the same price. Cold drinks

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<v Speaker 3>for a dollar as well. Are one of the many

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<v Speaker 3>front rooms that have turned into small kiosks. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>where the migrants I have been sitting down with at

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<v Speaker 3>the river went. When they're arrived into town, I let

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<v Speaker 3>them be for a while I went off to interview

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 3>more migrants. About a thousand of them arrive in this

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<v Speaker 3>village every day. Each year since a pandemic has seen

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<v Speaker 3>record numbers arrive, and the little village on the side

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<v Speaker 3>of a hill, surrounded by palm trees and full of

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<v Speaker 3>smiling children in their traditional brightly colored pallumers chasing chickens

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<v Speaker 3>and dogs, has welcomed every single one of them. About

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<v Speaker 3>a thousand of them arrive in this town every day.

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<v Speaker 3>To get here, they also take a boat from neck

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<v Speaker 3>o'clee across the Golf of the Dabienne. They crossed on

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<v Speaker 3>small motor boats to Capolgana or Kandel. Those are both

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<v Speaker 3>towns on the western side of the Gulf of the Darienne.

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<v Speaker 3>From there they begin their walk. Even though they're now

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<v Speaker 3>north of the Dolf, they're still in Colombia and on

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<v Speaker 3>the Colombian side of the border. They're guided by guides

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<v Speaker 3>to whom they pay several hundred dollars and in return

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 3>receive protection and a wrist band that ensures they can

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<v Speaker 3>walk without being robbed. Nobody I spoke to had made

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 3>it this far without paying a guide. The area is

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 3>largely under the control of the Golf Cartel, several members

0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 3>of which were sanctioned by the USA. While I was

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 3>in the Uncle the marcos I spoke to you didn't

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 3>really have much bad to say about this part of

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 3>their experience, but universally acknowledged that the next part was

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 3>where they really confronted their fears and nightmares about the Daddy.

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 3>N Here's one Venezuelan migrant sharing his experience.

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<v Speaker 6>A Gandhi.

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<v Speaker 10>That's nothing compared to what comes from the border to hear. Yes,

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 10>the road is better, and I say that the dangerous

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 10>less too, and they have everything you need there. You

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.919
<v Speaker 10>come prepared, you have you come with water, and there

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.919
<v Speaker 10>are also many ravines where you can drink water. Well,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.360
<v Speaker 10>there are springs that come from the mountain, but from

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 10>the border on it's pretty ugly.

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 3>It's a stretch from the Colombian Panamanian border at a

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 3>place that they call Las Bandabas, which means to Flags

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:47.959
<v Speaker 3>to Bajo Chiquito, where migrants suffer the most. There they

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 3>can't drink from the river because a human waste and

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.159
<v Speaker 3>human remains that constantly fill it like the water deadly.

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 3>They must walk on unmaintained trails. It often turns in

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:02.640
<v Speaker 3>deep mud. They only have the supplies they carry, which

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 3>often run out, or they jettison to stave weight on

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 3>the incredibly steep mountain path. They climb and descend those

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>mountains across rivers, often without eating or drinking for days

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 3>at a time. On the trail, they passed by the

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 3>bodies of their fellow travelers as a constant reminder of

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 3>the risk they're taking. If you ask people in Panama City,

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 3>they'll tell you that Dalian is closed now. New President

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 3>hose Raoul Molino was elected on a promise to shut

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 3>down the gap, end the humanitarian crisis, and deport more

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 3>migrants for the US funding, and that funding has certainly arrived,

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.360
<v Speaker 3>with more than six million already spent since he took

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 3>office in July. Since then, Panama has deported more than

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 3>eleven hundred people to Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, and India. Each

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 3>of these has been funded by US taxpayers. Obviously, the

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 3>jungle isn't closed, and it can't really be closed. But

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 3>in an interview before he was elected, Molino said that

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 3>the border of the United States, instead of being in Texas,

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 3>has moved to Panama, and that is something he can

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 3>do with US support. I spoke to some in venezuel

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 3>And ladies help and carry their bag because it's a

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 3>steep hill, and they were saying that no one has

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 3>seen any barriers. I don't know anything about any barriers

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 3>or any fences in a Darien and that like they

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 3>hadn't heard it was closed. Evidently it's not standing in

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 3>front of one hundred people who just got off a

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 3>boat from the Darienn Hubris Aside, the rhetoric of closing

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 3>the daim signals are turned not just in Panamanian politics,

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 3>but in the way the world sees and handles migration.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 3>The US has always sought to externalize its borders, from

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 3>US train border patrol officers and Dominican Republic along the

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 3>border is Haiti to DHS agents deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>As migration has become more politicized, the US has sought

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>to move its enforcement away from prying eyes and from compassion,

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 3>and instead brought more trauma to a place that is

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>already so hard. I've spent much of the last decade

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 3>of my life watching the state try to bring the

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 3>mountains and desert close to where I live under its control.

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>I've stood with Kumiai people as the government dynamited their graveyards.

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I found border walk contractors lost deep in the mountains.

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I've driven the impossibly steep concrete roads that they built,

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 3>worried about my truck turning end on end. I've seen

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 3>billions of dollars thrown at these mountains, and I've seen

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 3>people with twenty dollars angle grinders or ladders made of

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 3>old palettes defeat the wall in moments. Trying to close

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 3>borders doesn't work at home, and it won't work in

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 3>the Daddy and Gap either. Just building the roads to

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 3>get the construction equipment into the gap is a gargantuan task,

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 3>and any attempt to create a barrier across the sixty

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 3>kilometer wide wilderness area or simply push migrants onto other

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 3>more dangerous routes, into places where you can't build and

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 3>the places where nobody can rescue you. If you fall

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 3>down or break your leg. That doesn't mean there's nothing

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 3>the US can do. I saw first hand the impact

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 3>of Americans spending here as migrants had a reception center

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>called Lajas Blancas, had their families torn apart, and men,

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 3>women and children cried as their parents and partners were

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>taken away for a flight back to Colombia, Cuba, or

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Venezuela that my taxes helped to pay for. I console

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the children with toys and stickers and something to eat

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 3>as their dads were loaded into a flatbed truck. A

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 3>government didn't send money to feed these children, but it

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 3>seemed to have the funds to fund their parents' deportation.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 3>By deporting people from Panama, the US effectively deprives them

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 3>of much of the due process they should, in theory,

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 3>have the right to in the United States, and the

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>US can easily deport them back to places like Cuba

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 3>and Venezuela, which it considers to be dictatorial regimes. The

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 3>US does not and cannot stop migration. People have always moved,

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 3>and people will always want a better future for their children.

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 3>What it can do is make it as painful and

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>dangerous as possible. But the rais of word barriers in

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.040
<v Speaker 3>the Daddy and gap which I've seen person on so

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 3>media didn't exist for the hundreds of migrants I spoke to.

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 3>No one I asked had even seen them, but what

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 3>they had seen was far worse.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 11>Aimulcholi, there are many rivers that you're forced into all

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 11>the time. You're putting your life and everything else on

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 11>the line there. I was worried that the indigenous people

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 11>would come out and do something to us. In the nights.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 11>I was worried that any of the children, god forbid,

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 11>would have an accident. The same for me. It's horrible

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 11>to think about it now.

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>This mother hood cross with a five, six and sixteen

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>year old child, the baby of six months. They'd all

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.239
<v Speaker 3>made it in one piece, but the journey clearly had

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>its impact on the children.

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 11>There are many people who are left out there without

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 11>food and do not have anything to give to their children.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 11>We had food until last night. Nothing left now, and

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 11>we had to each one had to just eat a

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 11>little bit because we had nothing else to give them.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 11>You can't find anything there. It's in the middle of nowhere.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 11>People died right now, along with those who came with us.

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 11>Yesterday how many died yesterday?

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Three?

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 11>I think three died yesterday. One drowned in the river. Yeah,

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 11>it's really tough this. No, no, nobody should do this.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Nobody.

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 11>We do this out of pure physical necessity to look

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 11>for a better future for our kids. We can't stay

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 11>in our country, We couldn't stay any longer.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 3>There here are a couple of the kids I spoke to,

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>or in some cases, the kids who took my regorda

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 3>and conducted interviews with each other.

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 11>The mountains. I was so tired and I couldn't climb anymore,

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 11>And when I fell in the river, I was really scared.

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Apparently the whole thing was like an adventure. She'd seen

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Peppa Pig happy, which at once made me giggle and

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 3>also one reflection, It's one of the saddest things I've

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 3>ever had to record. I'm sure her mum told her

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 3>that to make it easier for her to pass through

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 3>a terrible place. They're really sure to be at home

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 3>washing Pepper Pig and playing with her friends. No walking

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 3>past three dead bodies which are currently decomposing on the trail.

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 3>She seemed remarkably resilient. She said the long bus ride

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 3>she'd taken to get there. One boring because she enjoyed

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 3>looking out the window, and the whole journey was well,

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 3>I'll let her say ees Mohamma not buying her Mum

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 3>gave us a different account.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 6>Rahmo.

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to cry because I didn't want her

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>to see me crying. But sometimes I would explode because

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for your child to ask you for water,

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to ask you for food, and you don't have any

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to be in a place where you walk. You walk

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>from five in the morning, it's five in the afternoon.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>You're walking. You don't know what to do, going through

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred rivers and asking God not to

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>rain and not wanting it to get worse. It rained,

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and the girl got a fever. She got a fever.

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>But well, God is good that we pray a lot.

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I say that we don't know God so much in

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the church from the process and the process that we

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>are in, and we don't know we can be so

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.439
<v Speaker 1>strong until we go through that storm and we see

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that He protects us. He knows that He was always

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.280
<v Speaker 1>there watching over us, taking care of us at all times.

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Parents being amazed at their children and drawing shrink from

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 3>them and their faith was a common message I heard

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 3>from migrants. He's a migrant from Zimbabwe telling me how

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 3>her daughter inspired her to keep going when she felt

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 3>like she couldn't walk anymore.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 12>My daughter, she was strong, she was strong, but she

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.399
<v Speaker 12>was crying also, but she had what wounds all over

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 12>the body. Even me, I was crying myself. I was like,

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 12>I want to just put myself in the water, then

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 12>I can.

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 6>Just go both.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 12>The gain was tough, really really tough. The mountain, the stones,

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 12>the river. It's not easy at all. It's not very

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 12>I don't even recommended someone to say you use daddy

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 12>and give no. And even by I did know about it. Yeah,

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.479
<v Speaker 12>I was regretting myself. I was crying. I was like, God,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 12>I don't know my family and my family they don't

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 12>know where I am right now.

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>But like so many other migrants, when the government of

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.240
<v Speaker 3>the world abandoned her, she found strength in the strangers

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 3>along the road who wouldn't abandon her.

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 12>We didn't even eat anything, were just asking people, can

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 12>I have a piece of biscuit?

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 6>They just help us.

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 3>That's nice. The other migrants helped.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 6>You, Yeah, the others.

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you think that they treat African people differently.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 12>Very nice, especially these Spanish people, they are very nice.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 12>I don't want to lie because if you need help,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 12>you for call them for your look. The other ones

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 12>they might run away, but the other ones they just

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 12>found for health. They even give us tablets on the road,

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 12>give us energy drinks, give my daughter a sweets for energe.

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 12>They push us like, let's go, guys, let's call, let's go.

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.399
<v Speaker 12>You make it injury, and we really make it.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.359
<v Speaker 3>The journey over the mountains to Banama has become more

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 3>and more popular in recent years as other routes have

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>become more dangerous or closed themselves off to migrants entirely.

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 3>It's a route the Embira tell me that started with

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 3>people leaving India and then Haiti. It grew as conditions

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 3>in Venezuela became more unsustainable and people found themselves too

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 3>poor to stay home and too poor to travel north

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>by any other means, and so they chose a deadly

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 3>jungle over a future in a country where their votes

0:36:56.600 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 3>don't matter. Last year, as many half a million people

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 3>across the jungle. This year we might see more Magaret's

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 3>arriving about Jigito spend the day in the village before

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 3>taking off in a piagua of their own up to

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Lahas Blancas, the migrant reception center I mentioned earlier. They

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 3>register with Panamanian Board Patrol known by the acronym Sena Front,

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 3>and they call their families to say they survived. Then

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 3>they dry out their blistered feet, enjoy the cooking of

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 3>several of the families who have turned their homes into

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 3>sort of ersad's restaurants. They sleep on the floors of

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>the houses or underneath them, ardge their phones for a

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 3>dollar a time. Certainly, migration has changed this town, and

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about that more in tomorrow's episode.

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 3>But despite more than a million people passing through this route,

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 3>you don't find antimigrant sentiment here right now, despite the

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 3>gap being a deadly deterrent, numbers are expected to reach

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 3>Arequid again this year, maybe seven hundred thousand people will

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 3>walk the gap. But despite these numbers, which may seem

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.439
<v Speaker 3>high for a small country, I didn't really find much

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 3>anti Migroan sentiment in Panama as a whole. There's plenty

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of it in the US, though, and as the United

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 3>States winds down its war and terror it needs a

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 3>new nebulous enemy to justify its military spending and to

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<v Speaker 3>keep the security into valance companies donating to politicians in

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<v Speaker 3>their millions. In part. It is found that by simply

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<v Speaker 3>opening a floodgate of weapons and funding, they can spew

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<v Speaker 3>forth genocide and death in Palestine and keep some of

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<v Speaker 3>its income streams. But it needs a more long term solution.

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<v Speaker 3>There are only so many Palestinian babies that can balm,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll run out of Palestinians long before we run

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<v Speaker 3>out of bombs. The USA is new enemy when it

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<v Speaker 3>must seek out all over the world. It's a migrant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a woman I met carrying her child across the mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>The little Venezuelan girl throwing bottle caps into a cinder

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<v Speaker 3>block with me to pass the time as she asked

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<v Speaker 3>me questions about America. It's a twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 3>man whose remains my friends found in a border on

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<v Speaker 3>a hot day this September. The US will stop at

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<v Speaker 3>nothing and fining and destroying the migrant, and just as

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<v Speaker 3>it did in the War on Terror, it will find

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<v Speaker 3>fast friends in states desperate to avail themselves to the

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<v Speaker 3>seemingly unlimited flow of resources. The US dedicates to keeping

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<v Speaker 3>its conflicts out of the sights and the minds of

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<v Speaker 3>its citizens. The USA's open hostility to migrants isn't something

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<v Speaker 3>that's unknown here. Everyone I met knew about it. Several

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<v Speaker 3>of them had watched with horror as Kamala Harris and

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump argued not about how to treat migrants but

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<v Speaker 3>about who could turn more of them away in a

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<v Speaker 3>recent presidential debate. Every migrant I met had questions about CBP, one,

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<v Speaker 3>about US asylum policy, and about how they could get

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<v Speaker 3>to the US before a second Trump administration. Despite this,

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<v Speaker 3>they all clung to their versions of the American dream.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to work and be paid a fair wage,

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<v Speaker 3>to send their kids to school, maybe to college, to

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<v Speaker 3>feel safe in their homes, and to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>speak in dress as they wish without varing consequences. All

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<v Speaker 3>of those things are imperiling this country too, and they

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<v Speaker 3>know that, but they still feel their dreams are worth

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<v Speaker 3>the journey. For Noemi, the little girl who took the

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<v Speaker 3>daddy and in Astride, the American dream was pretty simple.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted two things. To see Minnie Mouse and to

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<v Speaker 3>see her aunt. Why am I mine with seven or

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<v Speaker 3>thousand euros, a studio.

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<v Speaker 6>Not ye Ammia, as you dear Amia.

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