WEBVTT - Sloane Knows - Derek Fisher on Celtics-Lakers 2010 NBA Finals, Kobe Bryant & best teammates 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:01.960 The volume. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:14.680 Hi, I'm slow and I know basketball. Today's guest is 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.280 a five time NBA champion, a Lakers legend, and owns 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.800 one of the most iconic moments in NBA playoff history. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.880 His journey from Arkansas Little Rock to being drafted by 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.720 the Lakers to being part of a three peet with 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.960 Kobe and Shack is a story you won't want to miss. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:38.600 Today's guest is Derek Fisher. Okay, Derek, So I'm sixteen 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.000 years old, Okay, and I know it's okay. That may 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.680 have been a while ago for you. So you may 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.640 need to like get the wheels turning in your head. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.320 Wow. Yes, Okay, that's how we're starting. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.600 That is how we're starting. But I want to know, Derek, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.680 what were you like when you were sixteen years old. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.160 I was not as smart as you and didn't have 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.760 all of this going on in my. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.720 Life at sixteen, but I was a very. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.679 Yeah, determined, Like sixteen is was a transitional age for 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.959 me in terms of basketball. I was always a hard 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.880 working kid, you know, and but I was really shy, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.440 really reserved, didn't you know, didn't speak up for myself, 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.600 trying to let my work and my play kind of 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:25.240 speak for me. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:26.400 Yeah, and. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:33.600 I played club team basketball and the summer of nineteen ninety, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.240 which sounds so so long ago, I was sixteen years 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:43.319 old and we're playing in the national championship game for 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.320 the entire country. Like at that time, they weren't just 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.720 like club team events every weekend, and it didn't all 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.160 lead to like one national champion. At that time, AAU 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.440 led to one national champion, so all the states would 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.920 send two teams from their state to one place, and 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.840 we all battled it out. So we had come in 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.600 second place, third place, fourth place. This year we're playing 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.600 the title game. My dad's an assistant coach. My best 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.639 friend's dad is the head coach. I played zero minutes. Wow, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.920 And at sixteen years old, I had to make a 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.840 decision and have a conversation with myself. Yeah, and I 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.160 decided that I would never let that happen again. I 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.400 didn't blame my dad or my best friend's dad. I 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:42.920 was pissed, naturally, but that changed my life. So at sixteen, 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.120 I basically was like, no other coach will ever feel 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.680 that the team is better yet without yeah, when we 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.800 need to win games. And from sixteen to now, I 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.600 don't think that ever happened. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.600 Again, I think you have the best sixteen year old 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.640 answer so far. I feel like people are like I 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.280 think when I was sixteen, I was playing basketball. I 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.240 was like, yeah, I figured you were playing basketball. So 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.440 I like that a lot. Considering you grew up in Arkansas, 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.040 which doesn't have an NBA team, what was your team 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:12.560 growing up? 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.160 I was a Lakers fan. Okay, like Magic Johnson was 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:21.120 my guy still is in terms of just the way 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:27.720 I always respected and admired not just like the winning 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:32.359 and the legacy on the court, but he smiled a lot. Yeah, 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.480 And I always thought that that was a really intriguing 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.640 aspect of a guy that clearly was one of the 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.760 greatest and as driven in as competitive as anybody else. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.760 But he looked like he was having fun doing his job. Yeah, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.040 And so just growing up watching him and how he 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.360 made other people better, that is something that I kind 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.840 of internalized as a young player in person. And so 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.400 I love the Lakers and what they stood for represented 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.600 in the eighties, That's where I started appreciating winning more 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.320 than anything else in team sports. And so, yeah, you 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.159 know that was I never thought I would be playing 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.960 for the Lakers. Yeah, but I loved watching him as 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:21.320 a kid. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.440 Did you ever get to meet him as a teenager? 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.960 Did you when was your first interaction with like an NBA. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.680 Player, Well, with an NBA player. I had a few 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.800 interactions prior to making it to the NBA. Sidney Montcreef 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:37.880 is also from Arkansas. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:38.200 That's it. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.480 You'd have to google Dad especially for you, or talk 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:46.479 to Syria or whoever that you'll talk to about, like, yeah, okay, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:51.640 talk to talk to he or she about about Sidney 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.960 montcreep Uh. And then my older brother is a half brother. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.039 He's about ten years older. He was actually drafted in 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.320 the second round in the NBA in nineteen eighty seven. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.080 So I, you know, met some guys, But when I 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.800 first met Magic, it was actually in the summer. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:12.240 A lot of. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.080 Guys in the NBA go up to UCLA and there's 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.800 great like pick up runs and five on five going 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.400 on up there. So the summer of my rookie year, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.120 I show up to LA moving out to LA, I 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.560 go up here to the gym and all of a sudden, 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.520 I'm like looking around all these guys that are in 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:29.000 the NBA. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.760 You know, how old are you at this point, and so. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.280 We're playing five on five and Nick Van Exell, who 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:42.440 was the current guard on the Lakers, my team is 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.200 playing against his team in this five on five match, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.080 and he's out here killing me, you know, and Magic 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:55.839 Johnson is like ten feet away enjoying me being destroyed 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.720 by And that was my first interaction with Magic Johnson. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.680 But I internalized the like, yeah, at least you. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.640 Were bringing him joy, Like at least he enjoyed much. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:12.320 Joy though, yeah, too much? Yeah that time, No, the 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.480 starstruck was off because he was laughing at me. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.400 Okay, so you were never mind them. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.360 So I was starstruck later and kind of still am 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.760 whenever I see Magic is just a different level of 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.440 respect and appreciation totally. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.200 If you hadn't have become a basketball what do you 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.000 think your sixteen year old self would have wanted to 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:30.320 do as. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:30.880 A job. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:38.520 At sixteen? Man, I was you know, when you're from Arkansas, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.640 you don't envision these type of lives that I've been 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.960 able to live and experience. And so at sixteen, I mean, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.640 most guys that I had grown up wanting to be like, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.560 in a sense, we're great leaders, you know, they were 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.800 guys that I had read about that ran companies always, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.960 you know, you read about guys that had real estate companies, 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:13.480 or you know, the men that were leaders of CEOs organizations, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:18.640 and so I, you know, most likely I would have 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.520 gotten into something very simple and basic in Little Rock. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.880 When you grew up in Little Rock, you basically you 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.480 graduated high school, you go to college, you get a degree, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.640 You go to church on Sunday. You marry a nice 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.880 Southern girl that also goes to church on Sunday. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:35.040 You start a. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:39.960 Family, and it's not even like what type of career like, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.480 you just just life. You just hold down a job, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.520 take care of your family, take care of responsibilities. So 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.920 I wasn't really thinking about this big world that I've 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.840 seen since I was sixteen. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:52.000 When I was. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.400 Sixteen, yeah, totally. And on that note, what do you 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.960 think the biggest difference you've seen between high school basketball 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.160 when you played in high school basketball now is a 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:00.840 coach of Crasby. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.040 I think, you know, when I was sixteen playing in 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.680 high school, I do believe there was more of a 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:18.120 a willingness to go along the journey and understand that 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.560 there's a process to becoming great. Yeah, and that your 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:26.920 high school experience wouldn't necessarily define your greatness, and so 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.840 there was a patience that you could have in high 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.199 school because you didn't feel like, well, if I don't 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.560 do this in the tenth grade, then that means I'm 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.960 not going to be this. And so I think now 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:47.440 more young players and families feel that it has to 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.240 be now in order for it to be later. Yes, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.440 And that was just different for us growing up. And 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.679 it's not a right or wrong thing, you know. If 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.840 I'm raising kids in this generation now, I want the 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.240 best for them, but I I just try to make 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.400 sure that they remember life on and off the basketball 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.320 court is really a journey in the process and you 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.439 don't have to be in a hurry to be the 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.600 greatest thing in the world, like it'll be there for 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:13.560 you at the right time. Yeah. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.800 And seeing how nil works firsthand, do you think that 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.920 that's positively or negatively affected your players? 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.440 It depends on the day of the week. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.720 Yeah, no, because I think you can't be naive, right, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.000 and even as the coach of these kids, like, you 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:35.199 can't be naive in the way of ten grand changes 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.240 somebody's life instantly, whether it or change their life forever. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:44.240 You know, yeah, that's for another day. But you know, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.280 we can't feel that nil itself is the reason why 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.679 some of these things are happening. I think young people 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:57.839 have every right to make a life for themselves, even 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.640 doing this, Like I'm sure at some point you want 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.559 to get paid if you're not already getting paid. So 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.240 it's the same thing as a young basketball player, like 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.080 if you have a way to create income for you 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.520 or your family to do it. But there are other 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.959 days where I think the money has become a substitute 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:24.120 for accomplishment or achievement, and there's a belief that if 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:29.040 you are being paid in terms of nil, that it 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:30.520 means that you are something. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.360 Yeah, and in reality you aren't. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.880 It's just representative of a transaction between you and a 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.120 company that is trying to accomplish your goal today. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:46.439 But it doesn't. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.000 Guarantee you the run in the long run. And so 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.800 I think you just have to keep that in mind. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.040 Do it for the right reasons, but don't let it 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.360 distract you from the main thing. Like if being an 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.640 amazing creator and starting a media company and building whatever 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.920 you're trying to build is the main thing, you can't 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.560 let the nil deals or the other stuff distract you 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:09.880 from that. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.640 Yeah, okay, now I want to move on to your 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.640 career at Arkansas Little Rock. Obviously you're from Little Rock, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.440 so that was you staying home. Can you take us 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.920 through the process of how you chose to go there 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.240 and if it had always been your goal to play 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:23.880 college at home. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:29.360 Yeah, I really I didn't know exactly, you know, what 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.080 the plan would look like. I knew I wanted to 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:31.840 play in college. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:33.600 You know. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.480 I started going to competitive camps and things like between 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.640 my sophomore and junior year and high school. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.079 And so after you had that talk with yourself, yes. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.240 After I had that talk with myself, Okay that from 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.040 sixteen to seventeen, I was a completely different dude. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.800 And so it will be interesting. We got to get 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.360 you back on when I'm seventeen, and then we'll have 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:54.120 a whole another. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:12:00.120 Conversation, right, And so, you know, I started to be 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:06.800 recruited by some colleges, mostly in the region, right Rice University, Texas, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.319 A and M. There were some other schools in the 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:15.880 Alabama area, Samford, Sam Houston. There were a number of 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.160 like regional schools, but I Little Rock wasn't necessarily at 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.000 the top of that list until they moved to the 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.600 Sun Belt Conference and so kind of you know, with 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.240 all the conference realignment and everything going on, like when 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.000 the school goes from maybe a low major mid major 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:33.400 to a. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.160 Higher everything, it changes everything. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.120 And I saw it as an opportunity to compete in 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:45.240 a really competitive conference. And so that was the perks 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.960 have been at home. One of the assistant coaches was 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.640 my best friend's dad. I trusted that he would not 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.360 guarantee me or promise me anything, but I trusted that 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.280 he would be there to hold me account the bull 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.679 and helped me understand the right thing. So that's that 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.280 was a big part of why I went in that duration. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.560 Okay, now let's move on to you. Now we've talked 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.880 about you at sixteen. I want to know who has 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.080 been the most impactful coach in your life. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.880 Man, I don't want to do the most Yeah, I 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.560 don't want to do a disservice or not. You know 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.880 my high school coaches. You know a lot of the 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.240 things that I started to learn and understand about how 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:46.160 hard you have to work. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:52.200 You know, we're in high school. But I. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:14:00.720 Feel Jackson obviously is the most recent of those coaches. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.959 So you know, I have to kind of probably start there. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.360 And the reason why we would say feel from an 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:14.040 impact standpoint is, men, we have a like and you'll 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.440 understand this when you get a little older. You know, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.680 we we have a way of like our egos are 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:27.120 just brutal, and it creates, Yeah, it creates these narratives 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.400 and things in our mind about what we are and 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.800 what we aren't and what we should be and who's 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.560 who owes us? And you know, man, I'm better than 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.240 this guy? Why am I not getting this? 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:38.600 And this? 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.320 We just want everything from everybody to like respect us 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.840 and show us what's up. And Feel was the first 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.720 coach that I thought took a more balanced approach to 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:56.160 coaching players and really helping us understand kind of how 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.640 the brain works in terms of how we respond to things. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:06.240 How you know that that gap between stimulus or the 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.000 action or something taking place and then what happened is 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:15.120 not really what's controlling your anger frustration is your attitude 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.080 and your response to it. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.280 Yeah, and like. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.120 He helped me unlock a level of performance that I 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.560 hadn't been able to access prior to because I always 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.120 played on edge. Like I was the type of guy 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.000 that like, if you scored on me, I was going 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.920 to try to come back and score on you. Yeah, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.480 because I had to prove to you that I'm just 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:35.320 as good as you are. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.880 And he helped me kind of disconnect from that. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.120 And do you think the lessons that Phil taught you 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.440 have now helped you mold yourself as a coach? 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:49.840 Now, yes, by far. Like I think if a player 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.120 does not understand he or she is one hundred percent 0:15:54.320 --> 0:16:01.640 not ninety ninety eight percent, one hundred percent respond and 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.120 one hundred percent ownership and one hundred percent accountable for 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:10.880 everything that's happening, they're going to struggle. Yeah, and you're 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.400 going to struggle anyway. But so many of us as athletes, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.400 we're so quick to push it off on everything else 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.120 and everybody else as to why we're not performing well. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.960 Coach didn't start me, or they're not running the right 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.680 offense around my game. Oh they told me this, it's 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.520 not this. Oh, but you know if I would have 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.880 gone back, and there are so many reasons why other 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:40.360 than you just need to be better, period, and you're 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.400 in complete control of being better. And even sometimes when 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:50.840 you're better, the world is not conspiring against you. For 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.880 you to not be what you think you are. It's 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.400 just that's how it works sometimes, and so that that's 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.960 how I try to help the players I coach now 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.080 is like take myself out of it. I'm not trying 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.119 to make it seem like I'm so smart that I 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.920 made you into who you are. Yeah, you're you do that. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.840 I'm here to help and support you and guide you. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:15.760 But it's ultimately your job. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.439 That's so deep everything. Wow, oh my gosh, if you 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.480 were my coach, like that's crazy. Okay, what was your 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:23.840 welcome to the league moments? 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:25.639 So? 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.760 Yeah, in training camp, I mean I had a bunch 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.360 of them because I played against a lot of always won. Yeah, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.560 I played against a lot of great, great players, you know, 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.080 in the mid to late nineties. But I mean kind 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.399 of almost right away in training camp, like you know, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.760 at Arkansas, a little rock in the conference we played in, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.920 the big men were like six seven. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:46.200 Yeah, that's a big difference from. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.920 Ye And so all of a sudden, I get the 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.280 training camp with the Lakers and I'm driving to the 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.640 basket and every time I drive to the basket, Shock 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.840 is blocking the shot. You know, Eldon Campbell's rotating over 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.760 from the backside blocking the shot, and after a couple 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.879 of days, Dale Harris, who was the head coach at 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.320 the time, he's like, Fish, you might want to think 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.919 about a different approach to trying to drive to the 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.720 basket because you're not going to get that off. And 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.720 Shack was pretty much blocking the shot with his underarm 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.159 pit because that's how low I was and how he was, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:27.040 and that right away helped me adjust to playing in 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.359 the NBA and what they was going to be. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:28.600 Like. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.120 On the topic of Shock, what's the craziest thing you've 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.479 ever seen Shock do on the court? And then if 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.240 it's PG, you can tell me what's the craziest thing 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:36.080 you've ever seen him do? 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:40.520 Off? Yeah, that was my first question was what platforms. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.200 Or for the sixteen year old mind, what's the craziest 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:43.880 thing you've seen. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.119 Him do the craziest thing you've seen Shack do? 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:54.080 For the sixteen year old mind, I'll say, like you, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.600 I'm sure for teenagers, like, well, I don't know about 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.240 teenagers today. When we were teenagers, mooning people was like 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:05.600 a thing. Yeah, sounds super weird that people would like 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.040 moon people as a way of It's kind of like 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.080 a way of saying few to people sometimes anymore. So 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.200 We're playing the Sacramento Kings in the Western Conference Finals 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.639 in two thousand and two, and this is after a 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.840 couple of years of you know what people call a rivalry, 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.760 even though the Kings never won a series. But that's 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:29.080 for another episode. And so in two thousand and two, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.000 they have home court advantage, so brutal seven game series. 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.240 They literally had us on the ropes, could have knocked 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:41.800 us out, they didn't. Sacramento is, like still today, loves 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.600 the Kings as passionate as a fan base as you 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.040 could ever find. Phil Jackson basically pissed them off, and 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.720 they were bringing cow bells into the arena. It was 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.920 loud and a lot of anger in the building. So anyway, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:00.239 we show up for game seven, and people, you know, 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.359 for playoff games, it's not like the regular season where 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.240 people are like rolling up right after work and trying 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.640 to get to the game. Playoff games just like it's 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:13.080 afternoon game. People are like outside tailgating like football. So 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.320 the bus is we're pulling up to Arco Arena and 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.960 there's a group of people that were at early to 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.840 the game almost every time, and they would moon us 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 as we drove by on the bus. What are we 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.880 supposed to do about that? Like we're on their way 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:31.720 to the game. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:33.760 All right, you don't even have to look, you can 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:34.399 look for it. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.840 It's just there, like there's nowhere, it's nowhere you can go. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.439 So so we show up, you know, for game seven. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.280 Of course they moon us again, oblige. And then so 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.080 you know, we walk into Arco Arena, we put our 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.000 uniforms on. We win game seven and Sacramento and as 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.240 champions do, and we get on the bus. We're leaving 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:04.040 our Co arena and Shack kindly returns the favor to 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.560 the fans that had been sharing uh their assets. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.040 With us, this entirely to get off the bus to 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.119 do this. No, no, no. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.359 No, didn't get off the bus just uh, I don't. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.200 I don't remember the name of the bus company. But 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.359 their window needed to be I see, wiped off a 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.280 little bit, you know, after the experience. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.640 But that's for the sixteen year old. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.560 Imagine if that happened, like we're social. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.960 Media, like, yeah, so many things that existed. Yeah no, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.040 some people would not be as accomplished as they are. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.120 Well no, you know what, I take that, bet, I. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.960 Think you think viral. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.680 I appreciate about the younger generation. I do think that 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.000 today people are more accepting, and maybe always have been, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:55.360 but more accepting of the fact that we're all imperfect. Yeah, 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.199 and it's okay if you made some mistakes before or 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.760 you did something that I wouldn't do, But that doesn't 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.200 mean I'm still not gonna laugh at your jokes. 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.400 I'm still not gonna watch your show. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.680 I'm still not gonna you know, I'm still not gonna 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.520 come to the game and cheer for you because you 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.520 did something stupid that I wouldn't do. It wasn't like 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.359 that when I was your age, Like people would just 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.920 decide that you were a bad person because you made 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.480 a bad choice, and then they would just be done. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.120 You couldn't sell them anything else, ever, And it's not 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.360 like that anymore, And I kind of kind of like that. 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.800 Cool, all right, So you've played on five differn NBA 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.080 teams with some pretty incredible players. 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:34.560 I had a couple of coffee you on like one 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.720 of those in. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:42.000 A quarter, but you technically were one in a couple 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:47.520 off with some pretty incredible teammates. Can you give us 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.159 your starting five of your best ever teammates. Okay, you 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:52.760 don't have to count. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.879 I've been asked this question before, but like I always 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.840 have to clarify teammates meaning greatness in basketball or like 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.879 teammates like you know what I mean, like we could 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.480 have a best test time ever at a party and. 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:09.680