1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm slow and I know basketball. Today's guest is 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: a five time NBA champion, a Lakers legend, and owns 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: one of the most iconic moments in NBA playoff history. 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: His journey from Arkansas Little Rock to being drafted by 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: the Lakers to being part of a three peet with 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: Kobe and Shack is a story you won't want to miss. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: Today's guest is Derek Fisher. Okay, Derek, So I'm sixteen 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: years old, Okay, and I know it's okay. That may 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: have been a while ago for you. So you may 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: need to like get the wheels turning in your head. 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: Wow. Yes, Okay, that's how we're starting. 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: That is how we're starting. But I want to know, Derek, 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: what were you like when you were sixteen years old. 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: I was not as smart as you and didn't have 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: all of this going on in my. 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: Life at sixteen, but I was a very. 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, determined, Like sixteen is was a transitional age for 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: me in terms of basketball. I was always a hard 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: working kid, you know, and but I was really shy, 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: really reserved, didn't you know, didn't speak up for myself, 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: trying to let my work and my play kind of 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: speak for me. 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: I played club team basketball and the summer of nineteen ninety, 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: which sounds so so long ago, I was sixteen years 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: old and we're playing in the national championship game for 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: the entire country. Like at that time, they weren't just 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: like club team events every weekend, and it didn't all 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: lead to like one national champion. At that time, AAU 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: led to one national champion, so all the states would 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: send two teams from their state to one place, and 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: we all battled it out. So we had come in 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: second place, third place, fourth place. This year we're playing 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: the title game. My dad's an assistant coach. My best 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: friend's dad is the head coach. I played zero minutes. Wow, 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: And at sixteen years old, I had to make a 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: decision and have a conversation with myself. Yeah, and I 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: decided that I would never let that happen again. I 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: didn't blame my dad or my best friend's dad. I 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: was pissed, naturally, but that changed my life. So at sixteen, 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I basically was like, no other coach will ever feel 43 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: that the team is better yet without yeah, when we 44 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: need to win games. And from sixteen to now, I 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: don't think that ever happened. 46 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Again, I think you have the best sixteen year old 47 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: answer so far. I feel like people are like I 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: think when I was sixteen, I was playing basketball. I 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I figured you were playing basketball. So 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Considering you grew up in Arkansas, 51 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: which doesn't have an NBA team, what was your team 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: growing up? 53 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: I was a Lakers fan. Okay, like Magic Johnson was 54 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: my guy still is in terms of just the way 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: I always respected and admired not just like the winning 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: and the legacy on the court, but he smiled a lot. Yeah, 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: And I always thought that that was a really intriguing 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: aspect of a guy that clearly was one of the 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: greatest and as driven in as competitive as anybody else. 60 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: But he looked like he was having fun doing his job. Yeah, 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: And so just growing up watching him and how he 62 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: made other people better, that is something that I kind 63 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: of internalized as a young player in person. And so 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: I love the Lakers and what they stood for represented 65 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: in the eighties, That's where I started appreciating winning more 66 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: than anything else in team sports. And so, yeah, you 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: know that was I never thought I would be playing 68 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: for the Lakers. Yeah, but I loved watching him as 69 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: a kid. 70 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: Did you ever get to meet him as a teenager? 71 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: Did you when was your first interaction with like an NBA. 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: Player, Well, with an NBA player. I had a few 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: interactions prior to making it to the NBA. Sidney Montcreef 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: is also from Arkansas. 75 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: That's it. 76 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: You'd have to google Dad especially for you, or talk 77 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: to Syria or whoever that you'll talk to about, like, yeah, okay, 78 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: talk to talk to he or she about about Sidney 79 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: montcreep Uh. And then my older brother is a half brother. 80 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: He's about ten years older. He was actually drafted in 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: the second round in the NBA in nineteen eighty seven. 82 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: So I, you know, met some guys, But when I 83 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: first met Magic, it was actually in the summer. 84 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: A lot of. 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: Guys in the NBA go up to UCLA and there's 86 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: great like pick up runs and five on five going 87 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: on up there. So the summer of my rookie year, 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: I show up to LA moving out to LA, I 89 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: go up here to the gym and all of a sudden, 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm like looking around all these guys that are in 91 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: the NBA. 92 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: You know, how old are you at this point, and so. 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: We're playing five on five and Nick Van Exell, who 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: was the current guard on the Lakers, my team is 95 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: playing against his team in this five on five match, 96 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: and he's out here killing me, you know, and Magic 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: Johnson is like ten feet away enjoying me being destroyed 98 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: by And that was my first interaction with Magic Johnson. 99 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: But I internalized the like, yeah, at least you. 100 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: Were bringing him joy, Like at least he enjoyed much. 101 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: Joy though, yeah, too much? Yeah that time, No, the 102 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: starstruck was off because he was laughing at me. 103 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so you were never mind them. 104 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: So I was starstruck later and kind of still am 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: whenever I see Magic is just a different level of 106 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: respect and appreciation totally. 107 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: If you hadn't have become a basketball what do you 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: think your sixteen year old self would have wanted to 109 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: do as. 110 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: A job. 111 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: At sixteen? Man, I was you know, when you're from Arkansas, 112 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: you don't envision these type of lives that I've been 113 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: able to live and experience. And so at sixteen, I mean, 114 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: most guys that I had grown up wanting to be like, 115 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: in a sense, we're great leaders, you know, they were 116 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: guys that I had read about that ran companies always, 117 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, you read about guys that had real estate companies, 118 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: or you know, the men that were leaders of CEOs organizations, 119 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: and so I, you know, most likely I would have 120 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: gotten into something very simple and basic in Little Rock. 121 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: When you grew up in Little Rock, you basically you 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: graduated high school, you go to college, you get a degree, 123 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: You go to church on Sunday. You marry a nice 124 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: Southern girl that also goes to church on Sunday. 125 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: You start a. 126 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: Family, and it's not even like what type of career like, 127 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: you just just life. You just hold down a job, 128 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: take care of your family, take care of responsibilities. So 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't really thinking about this big world that I've 130 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: seen since I was sixteen. 131 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: When I was. 132 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: Sixteen, yeah, totally. And on that note, what do you 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: think the biggest difference you've seen between high school basketball 134 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: when you played in high school basketball now is a 135 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: coach of Crasby. 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when I was sixteen playing in 137 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: high school, I do believe there was more of a 138 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: a willingness to go along the journey and understand that 139 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: there's a process to becoming great. Yeah, and that your 140 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: high school experience wouldn't necessarily define your greatness, and so 141 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: there was a patience that you could have in high 142 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: school because you didn't feel like, well, if I don't 143 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: do this in the tenth grade, then that means I'm 144 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: not going to be this. And so I think now 145 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: more young players and families feel that it has to 146 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: be now in order for it to be later. Yes, 147 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: And that was just different for us growing up. And 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: it's not a right or wrong thing, you know. If 149 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm raising kids in this generation now, I want the 150 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: best for them, but I I just try to make 151 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: sure that they remember life on and off the basketball 152 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: court is really a journey in the process and you 153 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: don't have to be in a hurry to be the 154 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: greatest thing in the world, like it'll be there for 155 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: you at the right time. Yeah. 156 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: And seeing how nil works firsthand, do you think that 157 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: that's positively or negatively affected your players? 158 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: It depends on the day of the week. 159 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because I think you can't be naive, right, 160 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: and even as the coach of these kids, like, you 161 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: can't be naive in the way of ten grand changes 162 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: somebody's life instantly, whether it or change their life forever. 163 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that's for another day. But you know, 164 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: we can't feel that nil itself is the reason why 165 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: some of these things are happening. I think young people 166 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: have every right to make a life for themselves, even 167 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: doing this, Like I'm sure at some point you want 168 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: to get paid if you're not already getting paid. So 169 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: it's the same thing as a young basketball player, like 170 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: if you have a way to create income for you 171 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: or your family to do it. But there are other 172 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: days where I think the money has become a substitute 173 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: for accomplishment or achievement, and there's a belief that if 174 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: you are being paid in terms of nil, that it 175 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: means that you are something. 176 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and in reality you aren't. 177 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: It's just representative of a transaction between you and a 178 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: company that is trying to accomplish your goal today. 179 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 3: But it doesn't. 180 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Guarantee you the run in the long run. And so 181 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: I think you just have to keep that in mind. 182 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: Do it for the right reasons, but don't let it 183 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: distract you from the main thing. Like if being an 184 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: amazing creator and starting a media company and building whatever 185 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: you're trying to build is the main thing, you can't 186 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: let the nil deals or the other stuff distract you 187 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: from that. 188 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now I want to move on to your 189 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: career at Arkansas Little Rock. Obviously you're from Little Rock, 190 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: so that was you staying home. Can you take us 191 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: through the process of how you chose to go there 192 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: and if it had always been your goal to play 193 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: college at home. 194 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really I didn't know exactly, you know, what 195 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: the plan would look like. I knew I wanted to 196 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: play in college. 197 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: You know. 198 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: I started going to competitive camps and things like between 199 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: my sophomore and junior year and high school. 200 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: And so after you had that talk with yourself, yes. 201 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: After I had that talk with myself, Okay that from 202 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: sixteen to seventeen, I was a completely different dude. 203 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: And so it will be interesting. We got to get 204 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: you back on when I'm seventeen, and then we'll have 205 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: a whole another. 206 00:11:53,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: Conversation, right, And so, you know, I started to be 207 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: recruited by some colleges, mostly in the region, right Rice University, Texas, 208 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: A and M. There were some other schools in the 209 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Alabama area, Samford, Sam Houston. There were a number of 210 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: like regional schools, but I Little Rock wasn't necessarily at 211 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: the top of that list until they moved to the 212 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: Sun Belt Conference and so kind of you know, with 213 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: all the conference realignment and everything going on, like when 214 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: the school goes from maybe a low major mid major 215 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: to a. 216 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: Higher everything, it changes everything. 217 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: And I saw it as an opportunity to compete in 218 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: a really competitive conference. And so that was the perks 219 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: have been at home. One of the assistant coaches was 220 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: my best friend's dad. I trusted that he would not 221 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: guarantee me or promise me anything, but I trusted that 222 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: he would be there to hold me account the bull 223 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: and helped me understand the right thing. So that's that 224 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: was a big part of why I went in that duration. 225 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: Okay, now let's move on to you. Now we've talked 226 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: about you at sixteen. I want to know who has 227 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: been the most impactful coach in your life. 228 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Man, I don't want to do the most Yeah, I 229 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: don't want to do a disservice or not. You know 230 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: my high school coaches. You know a lot of the 231 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: things that I started to learn and understand about how 232 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: hard you have to work. 233 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: You know, we're in high school. But I. 234 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: Feel Jackson obviously is the most recent of those coaches. 235 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: So you know, I have to kind of probably start there. 236 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: And the reason why we would say feel from an 237 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: impact standpoint is, men, we have a like and you'll 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: understand this when you get a little older. You know, 239 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: we we have a way of like our egos are 240 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: just brutal, and it creates, Yeah, it creates these narratives 241 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: and things in our mind about what we are and 242 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: what we aren't and what we should be and who's 243 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: who owes us? And you know, man, I'm better than 244 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: this guy? Why am I not getting this? 245 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: And this? 246 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: We just want everything from everybody to like respect us 247 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: and show us what's up. And Feel was the first 248 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: coach that I thought took a more balanced approach to 249 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: coaching players and really helping us understand kind of how 250 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the brain works in terms of how we respond to things. 251 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: How you know that that gap between stimulus or the 252 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: action or something taking place and then what happened is 253 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: not really what's controlling your anger frustration is your attitude 254 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: and your response to it. 255 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like. 256 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: He helped me unlock a level of performance that I 257 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: hadn't been able to access prior to because I always 258 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: played on edge. Like I was the type of guy 259 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: that like, if you scored on me, I was going 260 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: to try to come back and score on you. Yeah, 261 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: because I had to prove to you that I'm just 262 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: as good as you are. 263 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: And he helped me kind of disconnect from that. 264 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: And do you think the lessons that Phil taught you 265 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: have now helped you mold yourself as a coach? 266 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Now, yes, by far. Like I think if a player 267 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: does not understand he or she is one hundred percent 268 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: not ninety ninety eight percent, one hundred percent respond and 269 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent ownership and one hundred percent accountable for 270 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: everything that's happening, they're going to struggle. Yeah, and you're 271 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: going to struggle anyway. But so many of us as athletes, 272 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: we're so quick to push it off on everything else 273 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: and everybody else as to why we're not performing well. 274 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: Coach didn't start me, or they're not running the right 275 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: offense around my game. Oh they told me this, it's 276 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: not this. Oh, but you know if I would have 277 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: gone back, and there are so many reasons why other 278 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: than you just need to be better, period, and you're 279 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: in complete control of being better. And even sometimes when 280 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: you're better, the world is not conspiring against you. For 281 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: you to not be what you think you are. It's 282 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: just that's how it works sometimes, and so that that's 283 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: how I try to help the players I coach now 284 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: is like take myself out of it. I'm not trying 285 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: to make it seem like I'm so smart that I 286 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: made you into who you are. Yeah, you're you do that. 287 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm here to help and support you and guide you. 288 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: But it's ultimately your job. 289 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: That's so deep everything. Wow, oh my gosh, if you 290 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: were my coach, like that's crazy. Okay, what was your 291 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: welcome to the league moments? 292 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: So? 293 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, in training camp, I mean I had a bunch 294 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: of them because I played against a lot of always won. Yeah, 295 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: I played against a lot of great, great players, you know, 296 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: in the mid to late nineties. But I mean kind 297 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: of almost right away in training camp, like you know, 298 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: at Arkansas, a little rock in the conference we played in, 299 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: the big men were like six seven. 300 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big difference from. 301 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: Ye And so all of a sudden, I get the 302 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: training camp with the Lakers and I'm driving to the 303 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: basket and every time I drive to the basket, Shock 304 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: is blocking the shot. You know, Eldon Campbell's rotating over 305 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: from the backside blocking the shot, and after a couple 306 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: of days, Dale Harris, who was the head coach at 307 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: the time, he's like, Fish, you might want to think 308 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: about a different approach to trying to drive to the 309 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: basket because you're not going to get that off. And 310 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Shack was pretty much blocking the shot with his underarm 311 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: pit because that's how low I was and how he was, 312 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and that right away helped me adjust to playing in 313 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: the NBA and what they was going to be. 314 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 3: Like. 315 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: On the topic of Shock, what's the craziest thing you've 316 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: ever seen Shock do on the court? And then if 317 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: it's PG, you can tell me what's the craziest thing 318 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: you've ever seen him do? 319 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: Off? Yeah, that was my first question was what platforms. 320 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: Or for the sixteen year old mind, what's the craziest 321 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 2: thing you've seen. 322 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: Him do the craziest thing you've seen Shack do? 323 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: For the sixteen year old mind, I'll say, like you, 324 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure for teenagers, like, well, I don't know about 325 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: teenagers today. When we were teenagers, mooning people was like 326 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, sounds super weird that people would like 327 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: moon people as a way of It's kind of like 328 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: a way of saying few to people sometimes anymore. So 329 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: We're playing the Sacramento Kings in the Western Conference Finals 330 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, and this is after a 331 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: couple of years of you know what people call a rivalry, 332 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: even though the Kings never won a series. But that's 333 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: for another episode. And so in two thousand and two, 334 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: they have home court advantage, so brutal seven game series. 335 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: They literally had us on the ropes, could have knocked 336 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: us out, they didn't. Sacramento is, like still today, loves 337 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: the Kings as passionate as a fan base as you 338 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: could ever find. Phil Jackson basically pissed them off, and 339 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: they were bringing cow bells into the arena. It was 340 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: loud and a lot of anger in the building. So anyway, 341 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: we show up for game seven, and people, you know, 342 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: for playoff games, it's not like the regular season where 343 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: people are like rolling up right after work and trying 344 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: to get to the game. Playoff games just like it's 345 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: afternoon game. People are like outside tailgating like football. So 346 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: the bus is we're pulling up to Arco Arena and 347 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: there's a group of people that were at early to 348 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: the game almost every time, and they would moon us 349 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: as we drove by on the bus. What are we 350 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: supposed to do about that? Like we're on their way 351 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: to the game. 352 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: All right, you don't even have to look, you can 353 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: look for it. 354 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: It's just there, like there's nowhere, it's nowhere you can go. 355 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: So so we show up, you know, for game seven. 356 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Of course they moon us again, oblige. And then so 357 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, we walk into Arco Arena, we put our 358 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: uniforms on. We win game seven and Sacramento and as 359 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: champions do, and we get on the bus. We're leaving 360 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: our Co arena and Shack kindly returns the favor to 361 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: the fans that had been sharing uh their assets. 362 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: With us, this entirely to get off the bus to 363 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: do this. No, no, no. 364 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: No, didn't get off the bus just uh, I don't. 365 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the bus company. But 366 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: their window needed to be I see, wiped off a 367 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, after the experience. 368 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 3: But that's for the sixteen year old. 369 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: Imagine if that happened, like we're social. 370 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Media, like, yeah, so many things that existed. Yeah no, 371 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: some people would not be as accomplished as they are. 372 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: Well no, you know what, I take that, bet, I. 373 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: Think you think viral. 374 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate about the younger generation. I do think that 375 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: today people are more accepting, and maybe always have been, 376 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: but more accepting of the fact that we're all imperfect. Yeah, 377 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: and it's okay if you made some mistakes before or 378 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: you did something that I wouldn't do, But that doesn't 379 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: mean I'm still not gonna laugh at your jokes. 380 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 3: I'm still not gonna watch your show. 381 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm still not gonna you know, I'm still not gonna 382 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: come to the game and cheer for you because you 383 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: did something stupid that I wouldn't do. It wasn't like 384 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: that when I was your age, Like people would just 385 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: decide that you were a bad person because you made 386 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: a bad choice, and then they would just be done. 387 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: You couldn't sell them anything else, ever, And it's not 388 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: like that anymore, And I kind of kind of like that. 389 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: Cool, all right, So you've played on five differn NBA 390 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: teams with some pretty incredible players. 391 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I had a couple of coffee you on like one 392 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: of those in. 393 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: A quarter, but you technically were one in a couple 394 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: off with some pretty incredible teammates. Can you give us 395 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: your starting five of your best ever teammates. Okay, you 396 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: don't have to count. 397 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: I've been asked this question before, but like I always 398 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: have to clarify teammates meaning greatness in basketball or like 399 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: teammates like you know what I mean, like we could 400 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: have a best test time ever at a party and. 401 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for the clarification. Like actually in like basketball talents. 402 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: Because I don't want people to like feel. 403 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm not making you like rank people and 404 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: like how good of a person they are? 405 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, you know, because I've had some great 406 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: teammates on the court and then some guys were amazing teammates. 407 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: And personally, I mean, you know, it didn't suck, but. 408 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: No, they didn't suck. Just they weren't as good as. 409 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: Cold Okay, I see, yes, which nobody else in the world. 410 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Basically it was as good as Kobe. I'll start with Kobe. 411 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: I'd say he would definitely be on the list. Shaq 412 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: would be on the list, Kevin Durant would be on 413 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: the list. Uh Russell Westbrook probably would be on the list. 414 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: I mean, man, it's probably a I have more years 415 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: playing with Palgosol than I did James Harden, but those 416 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: got as would probably be neck and neck is in 417 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: terms of like that fifth spot. 418 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: Got you got you? So clutch Player of the Year 419 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: is the newest NBA award. If you had to add 420 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: an award to the NBA Awards, what do you think 421 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: it would be? 422 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: M m. 423 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: Hm, And they are I mean they have so many yeah, player. 424 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: Ye six man, coach, coach year yeah. 425 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, coaching yeah yeah, good question. If we were going 426 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: to add an award, I think we need an MVP 427 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: of the playoffs. 428 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: Now, you don't think finals MVP covers that, No. 429 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: Okay, finals MVP covers the finals. Yeah, because a guy 430 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: could have a terrible first three, but in the finals, 431 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: if he averages thirty five a game, he's gonna be 432 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: the finals MVP, you know, and vice versas, like a 433 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: guy could have a great first three rounds and suck 434 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: in the finals and he won't win finals MVP. But 435 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: I do think there's a case for like, the best 436 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: player in the playoffs win or lose. Luca would have 437 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: had a chance even though the Mavericks lost. And you know, 438 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: you have to put the contingencies in place, right or 439 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: the criteria of like you have to at least make 440 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: it to the conference finals. Like the run that Nicola 441 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: Jokic has been on in the postseason at certain points 442 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: where it's like, but if the Nuggets didn't win the title, yeah, 443 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: he clearly was still the best player in all of 444 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs. I just think it would be interesting. 445 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: And what made me think of it was in the 446 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: NHL they have the trophy where there was a lot 447 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: of debate over whether a player on the losing team yes, 448 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: deserve to win it yeah, which sparks. 449 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: A lot of debate, like debate so totally. So, you 450 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: were in many great playoff battles. Which one stands out 451 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: the most to you? And why? Mmmm? 452 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: It's a good question. I would say, thank you. 453 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm full of those. 454 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: I would say, ooh. 455 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: Personally, Game three of the twenty ten NBA Finals team 456 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: collectively Game seven of the twenty ten NBA Finals, That 457 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: series I think required me, individually and I think collectively 458 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: our team to go to deeper levels of grit and 459 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: physical and mental toughness than probably any series that I 460 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: had played in. Like the Celtics were that hard to 461 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: play again and stayed so physical, so hard to score 462 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: against them. Yes, But Game three of the twenty ten 463 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: NBA finals for me individually, probably stands out the most. 464 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: Like I Paul Pierce. You know, the CELF just beat 465 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: us in the finals in O eight. 466 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, they enjoyed it and they still celebrated as 467 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: though they won so many more, but only one. 468 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 3: And I get it. 469 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: It's hard to win one, So I don't It's not 470 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from their one. But so 471 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, they beat us in No. Eight, deserve to win, 472 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: no no hate. And so then in twenty ten, we 473 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: had home court advantage. We won Game one, we lost 474 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Game two. Series is tied at one one. At that time, 475 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: all three middle games were for the road team, so 476 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: we were about to go to Boston for three road 477 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: game games and Paul Pierce says to the media after 478 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: game two series is over, we're not coming back to La. 479 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, Paul Pierce a bold guy. 480 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like, oh my god, like I'm surprised 481 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: that he said it, but it got to me and 482 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: I was asked about it by the media the next 483 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: day before practice, and it was a lesson in you 484 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: don't always have to respond when people try to bait 485 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: you into something or get you to engage in a 486 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: conversation you don't want to have. So I got asked 487 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: a very direct question like you you're asking me here, 488 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: and I just stared at the reporter that asked me. 489 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: The question was Jim Hill, and just stared at him. 490 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 2: That's awkward. 491 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: I would have definitely been it, bro And in my mind, 492 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm sure in my face it's like, 493 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to dignify that question with an answer. 494 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: But I channeled that energy into Game three in Boston, 495 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: and the fourth quarter of Game three was one of 496 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: my best playoff quarters that I could speak to ever. 497 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: And I. 498 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Think it came from that place of like carrying that 499 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: energy of like, I'm not gonna let Paul Piers be right. 500 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: They're not beating us again this year. 501 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: And I went to a different place, and I remember 502 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: getting emotional after the game because it was just it 503 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: was that much invested in us trying to win that game, 504 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: and I, individually, like I said, it just went to 505 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: places that I hadn't gone to before. 506 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go back and touch on something 507 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: you said earlier, sort of about like your work, ethic 508 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: and grit and having played eighteen seasons in the NBA, 509 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: how did you keep that up for eighteen plus years 510 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: and stay in shape? 511 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: Also, No, that was all I knew it was. 512 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: That was my superpower, my work ethic, uh, my my discipline, 513 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: my attention to detail, understanding the game plan, you know, 514 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: not being emotional with wins and losses and getting too 515 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: high too low. Like my superpower was consistency and sustainability. 516 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: Way more guys talented than me, taller, more athletic. I 517 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: don't know about its handsome, But that's for another that 518 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: I'll let my wife, you know, talk about. You know, 519 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: we'll see how she feels about that. But and so, 520 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: because it was what I used to get there, then 521 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: I felt like I can't lose that. 522 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: Because the only reason I'm here is because of my 523 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: work ethic. 524 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: So it just stuck with you. 525 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: It just stuck with me the whole time. Like I'm 526 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: never gonna wake up and come to practice and not 527 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: bring that. I might, I might miss some shots today, 528 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be too many dudes that's gonna 529 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: work harder than me, day in and day out for 530 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: eighteen years. 531 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how that you stick for eight years. 532 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: People use that. So moving on, this has already been 533 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: a pretty crazy offseason and we're only like three days, 534 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: two days into free agency. If you were Rob Linka, 535 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: what are three things you would do to fix the 536 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: Lakers this offseason? 537 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: If I was rapping Linka, you would have had to 538 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: talk to a few more people to get me to 539 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to be here. 540 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: But you know it was easy to get me here today. 541 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: You know. 542 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: No, I mean fix the Lakers, you know. I think 543 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: it's we asked those questions in that way we all do, right. 544 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: We feel like there's something that we can do. And 545 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if we can fix teams like team 546 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: is still team. It's like a it's like a recipe, 547 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: Like you don't just fix that, yeah, you know, like 548 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: it takes time to make the decisions and the adjustment. 549 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: So the three things. 550 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: Maybe a better way a word it would be, how 551 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: do you think you could improve that recipe that team? 552 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 553 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, right now, they don't have a 554 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: lot of levers to pull in order to kind of 555 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: start down that path. The first thing they you know, 556 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: they did do right is is there was. 557 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: A coaching change that. 558 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: Brings JJ Redik in and although he doesn't have coaching 559 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: experience in the NBA. But I do think great coaches 560 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: and we'll we'll still see if he ends up being that. 561 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: They're they're amazing communicators, Like they are effective at communicating 562 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: a message and being clear about the standards and the expectations, 563 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. And it's something for me even that I'm 564 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm still learning myself. Yeah, but it's clear that JJ 565 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of has that feel already, which is great. And 566 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: then the relationships with people that you're going to be 567 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: doing this with they have to also buy into that vision. 568 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: So that's the first thing that you always have to 569 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: do to improve things, is like get someone in there 570 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: that can share the message, execute on the message, keep 571 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: people bought into the message. If you lose that, it 572 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have Lebron, Ad, etc. So that's first. Second, 573 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: I think they continue to invest in whatever levels of 574 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: like in terms of their performance team and what will 575 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: allow them to be like the healthiest team in the NBA. 576 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: And if that's managing the amount of games that Lebron 577 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: and AD play or their minutes or whatever it is 578 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: that keeps those guys healthy is as important of a 579 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: decision as they can make as well. And then I 580 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: think the third thing, which I think is also interesting 581 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: that JJ Reddick is the head coach, is shooting has 582 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: to become the number one priority, not necessarily because defense 583 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: won't be still a top priority. But I'm wondering if 584 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: like JJ will have an ability to help guys connect 585 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: to like just shooting the ball better total, because if 586 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: they can shoot the ball better and not even percentage wise, 587 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: like they have to shoot more threes. They have not 588 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: shot enough threes in recent years. And so these are 589 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: all things that again, even though JJ hasn't coached before, 590 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: the things that I think he's gonna lean towards are 591 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: the things that can help improve the situation. Yeah, we'll 592 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: have to wait and see. But you know, doing the 593 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: same thing over is the definition of insanity. So they 594 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: made a change. 595 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you're gonna give Rob Blinker run 596 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 2: first money because that was a good answer. I feel 597 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 2: like you thought that went through. Okay, Now we're doing 598 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 2: some rapid fire, so we gotta go fast sort. 599 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 3: Of one word thank you for saying that. 600 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, God, I love it. You're giving 601 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: such detailed answers, but this is a rapid fire section. Yeah, Okay, 602 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: In the next five years. Who's going to be the 603 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: face of the league, Victor Weber. Who is an underrated 604 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 2: player in the league that you want to show love to? 605 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: That is an unbelievable question. I gotta sing f one 606 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: guy too underrated, rapid fire that it's not your forte. 607 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea, honestly, Like, I can't think of 608 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: one guy that jumps out to me personally. Yeah, that's 609 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: that's a that's a pass right there for now, we'll 610 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: come back here. 611 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: You have one past, so now you have to answer 612 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: literally everything. Who is your favorite w NBA player to. 613 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 3: Watch Chelsea Gray good one? 614 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 2: Who is next up in women's basketball Caitlyn Clark during 615 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: your eighteen seasons? Who was the hardest player that you 616 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: had to guard? 617 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: I got a list of those guys, But John Stockton 618 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: gave me my first master's degree. 619 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 2: So John Stockton, what did you buy with your first 620 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: NBA check? 621 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 3: A condo in the Marina? Love it? 622 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 2: What's a fashion trend you've seen with your high school 623 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: players that you just do not understand? 624 00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 3: Wearing pajamas to everything? 625 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: I agree, like I think that they think girls like 626 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 2: it because I don't. Okay, I don't that's my message, 627 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: all right. So we're gonna play a game and let's 628 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: see how you do. This is also sort of rapid fire. 629 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 2: So okay, sorry, if this is a yeah, it is, 630 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a word and you're gonna 631 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 2: have to tell me the first current NBA player that 632 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 2: comes to your mind when. 633 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 3: I say that. 634 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready? 635 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: Yes? Okay? Defense Jade McDaniels, i Q, i Q true holiday. 636 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: Clutch, look at Dancic, selflessness, Mike Conley, Aura. 637 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: Shake, Gil Jess Alexander. 638 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: Perfect answer, veteran Lebron vision, Lebron instincts. 639 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 3: Oh, Kyrie Irving, you did so well. 640 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: That was so fast. Look at that when you really 641 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: walk in I. 642 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: Feel yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay that the first one. 643 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: Just yeah that that blew my brain completely off. 644 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So the last thing we're gonna do is trivia. 645 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: But it's not just any trivia. This is trivia about yourself, 646 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: which might sound easy, right, but most get like one. 647 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 3: Right. 648 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 2: So let's see how well Derek Fisher knows Derek Fisher, 649 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: who were the other four players on the court with 650 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: you when you hit your famous zero point four second shot? 651 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Gary Payton and bounded the ball to me. Shaq 652 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: Kobe karmelone. 653 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: Great, okay, good start. So you have one point? 654 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 3: Wait, it tolt me a easy one. 655 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 2: That was my lot. Uh huh. In nineteen ninety six, 656 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 2: you were picked twenty fourth by the Lakers. Who was 657 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: the twenty third pick and who was the twenty fifth pick? 658 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 659 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: I feel like I have to say. I asked this 660 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: question to almost everyone. Your answers are very random, like 661 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 2: usually people, I'm like, oh, like, I think you should 662 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: know that, Like, yours are from Here's might hint you. 663 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: Yours are from Greece and Estonia. 664 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: See one one of my answers I was going to 665 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: say is Dreni Silgascas. 666 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: No, but he was higher. Yeah, Greece in Estonia. Yeah, yeah, 667 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm clueless. Twenty three and twenty five okay, I was 668 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: already listening to twenty I would twenty twenty five has 669 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: no just like anyone. 670 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 3: The amount of tears that were rolling down my face. 671 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty three I probably should remember because you were 672 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: so there was one more person and I was like, yeah, 673 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't me. 674 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't even know how to pronounce these names, but 675 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to try, okay, f the mumious Rencias seriously, 676 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 2: m hm was that a really bad pronunciation? 677 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't even know who to okay. 678 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: And then twenty fifth was Martin Moore, sap more more sep. 679 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, no distruct Okay. 680 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: Now I don't remember no, okay, but like I wonder 681 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 2: if I them, if they ever want to come on, 682 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: would they remember that Derek Fisher got drafted before. Okay, 683 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 2: so you have one point? You were on season twenty 684 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: five of Dancing went to Stars. Who were the two 685 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: other pro athletes on the show that season? 686 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 3: Well, there was two other pros owner pro athletes. Tara Owens, yes, 687 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 3: who is the other is a female? 688 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 2: Yes? M I wanted to tell you the sport. Sure, okay, 689 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 2: but then you get like zero point one five points 690 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 2: off if you got it. I feel like that doesn't 691 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 2: really count. Wrestling wrestling. 692 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: It was a female wrestler own it. 693 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 2: I think, so, I'm pretty sure that's what Google said. 694 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 3: I mean, Rander Rosey's a boxer or like may, it 695 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 3: wasn't random Rassey wrestling, I think Okay. 696 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 2: Nikki Bellah, yeah, yeah, okay on that one for a second, 697 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 2: I was like, but like, okay, yeah, wrestling don't make 698 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 2: the wrestling community matter. 699 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 3: No, wrestling is a sport. 700 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: Okay, we're just clarifying it is a sport. Yes, but 701 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 2: I feel like there's me a butt. 702 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: I think there's a difference between wrestling and WWE. Sure 703 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: like wrestling is like the old school, Like. 704 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying, oh, you're like. 705 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: Olympic Olympic wrestling. Yes, that's like what comes to mind 706 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 1: when you say wrestling. 707 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 2: Oh I see, I see. No, that's fair, that's fair. Okay, 708 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 2: I still. 709 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 3: Should have got it. 710 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: You're still yeah, great, people, I should I should lacking. Okay, whatever, 711 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 2: But that was like half a point because you got 712 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 2: so you're like at like one point five points terrible. Yeah, okay. 713 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: You with the most free throws made in Arkansas Little 714 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 2: Rock history. How many free throws did you make over 715 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: your college career? 716 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 3: Let me say four years. 717 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: I think the numbers also going to stress you out 718 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 2: because it's very close to like a milestone thirty games. 719 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it was like two fifty two or 720 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: two one seventy nine. 721 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: I don't know which one of those is your final one. 722 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: I'd say closer to two fifty two because thirty games 723 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: a year times four, that's one twenty. There were definitely 724 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: games I shot more than two free throws, but I 725 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: wasn't like Shack. I didn't go to the free throw 726 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: line ten times a game. So two oh nine. 727 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 2: Okay, like you're reasoning, but it's wrong. It's three ninety nine, 728 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: which I feel like is also annoying because you probably 729 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: wanted that like extra one, like four hundred that would 730 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: have been like sick. 731 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but three ninety nine that's pretty said, nice to 732 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 3: get to the lot. 733 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, you're still you don't know myself though. Okay, 734 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 2: so this is your last question and you can get 735 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: two points from it. But I'm you're really smart guy, 736 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 2: and I feel like you're lacking in your trivia. 737 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: Well, no, you know, it's really interesting because I think 738 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm inspired to learn more about myself. 739 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I'm so glad I've been able to. 740 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 3: Know so many things about everything else. 741 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 2: But no, yourself. Wow, look at that. Okay, how many 742 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 2: Arkans hell little rock players have ever played in the 743 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 2: NBA other than yourself or including yourself? 744 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Pete Myers, Yeah, I mean technically my brother went 745 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: there for one year before he went to Juco and 746 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: then went to Middle Tennessee State. 747 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if he counts. 748 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not telling you. I'm just gonna let you. 749 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, Pete Myers is the other one for 750 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: that's a definite. 751 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a definite. That was actually a question, 752 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 2: which is who's gonna be the who is the most notable? 753 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: So you can get like half point on that. 754 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I feel like there's one 755 00:43:50,120 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: more guy, so three, it's nine, yes, nine, okay. 756 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 2: I mean they didn't have to play in the NBA 757 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 2: for eighteen years like you, but like days eighteen, that counts. 758 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 759 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 2: Nine. Look at that? 760 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 3: Did you have the names? 761 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 2: I don't, but we can get that. I'm at it now. 762 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 2: You look at that. Yeah, it's you finished the trivia 763 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 2: with like two points out of I sort of my 764 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 2: grading is a little iffy, but I would say like 765 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 2: five or six seven. Yeah, either way, spad pretty bad. 766 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 2: But it's okay, you got this. 767 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you know, I'm not. 768 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 2: A trivia got your best? No, but I'm not a 769 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 2: I don't overly focus, Okay on yourself. Okay, that's what 770 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 2: they all say once you don't get the points right, Okay, okay, 771 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 2: Well anyways, Derek, thank you so much for being here. 772 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 2: I had so much fun, lot of fun. 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