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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Schmoke with you today. We're joined by a couple

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Speaker 1: of all time great Giants kickers, Lawrence Times and Jeff Feagles.

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Speaker 1: But first, as a reminder, you can find the johnt

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Speaker 1: Now we're joined by Lawrence Times and Jeff Feagles. Lt Man,

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Speaker 1: how are you, dude, guys, what's going on? This is

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Speaker 1: This is fun. I've been looking forward to this since

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Speaker 1: you asked me last week. So good to see everybody. Now.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows about your Giants credentsels, Lawrence, but I know

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Speaker 1: you're also doing You're vented the podcast world Yourselfier, tell

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Speaker 1: the folks about what you're doing with Paul Schwartz and

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Speaker 1: the guys over the New York Post. Yeah so me.

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Speaker 1: Jake Brown, Sarah McCrory, and Paul Schwartz are hosting a

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Speaker 1: podcast called Blue Rush by The New York Post twice

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Speaker 1: a week. So you know, we break down the Giants games.

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Speaker 1: We give a preview on thurs Days. Um, it's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's kept me close to the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I would have watched them anyway, but you know,

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Speaker 1: getting paid to talk about him is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: So um, I love the Giants, I love the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we got a good team. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. We keep it loose. We have a

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Speaker 1: lot of good guests. Jeff has been a guest before. Um,

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Speaker 1: so it's a good show. I enjoyed doing it now, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we always give you a hard time about being a kicker.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like empowered now that you kickers out

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Speaker 1: number none kickers two to one here? Of course? Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: no matter what the numbers always look like, we always

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Speaker 1: out number everybody in our own minds, so it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But that's uh yeah, we're we're definitely out You're out

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Speaker 1: numbered today, so you better behave yourself. We'll jump right

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Speaker 1: through this much all right, Well, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time on the

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Speaker 1: radio games specifically, but this isn't airing only a few

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Speaker 1: days after that game is over, so times. You give

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Speaker 1: me your take on how the Giants came out and

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Speaker 1: won that game against Las Vegas on Sunday, probably the

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Speaker 1: second best one of the year after that game in

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. I would agree with that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you never apologize for winning in the NFL. UM, it

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Speaker 1: was ugly offensively, they did what they had to do defensively,

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Speaker 1: gave up a lot of yards, but they didn't let

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Speaker 1: them convert in the red zone. UM, I would never

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Speaker 1: apologize for that win. I said it was a very

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Speaker 1: very good win because of the COVID issues, the injuries,

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Speaker 1: the things they had no practices, you know, Jason Garrett

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Speaker 1: kind of hodgepodge the game plan with the tight ends

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Speaker 1: of credit to the offensive line and Booker. They played

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Speaker 1: really well. People are you know, as you know on

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Speaker 1: social media with all the outside targets, the receivers didn't

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Speaker 1: get many targets. But to be able to beat a

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Speaker 1: very good Raiders team before you go into the buy

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Speaker 1: and then you get some guys back, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: a big That's as big as win and they'll have

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Speaker 1: all season. So I was impressed with it. UM. The

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Speaker 1: numbers be damned, but goodwin for the Giants, you know,

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Speaker 1: heading them to a boy, I agree with you, lt

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Speaker 1: that's everything that you said was I tell you. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing about the Raiders there. They were in

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Speaker 1: first place coming into that game, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: times we talked about Lawrence, you know, about this traveling

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Speaker 1: I think that affected this team. On Sunday, the Raiders

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Speaker 1: they're horrible. So uh and that continues for the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, they had their own set of

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Speaker 1: Not too many times if you had that less targets

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think McKinney has really played well.

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Speaker 1: And then not to be forgotten, James Bradberry is playing

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Speaker 1: He was horrible. Let's be real, he was given up,

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Speaker 1: he was getting targeted. But the secondary is playing better.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's expecting them to play well. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a close game, you know. I think one

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Speaker 1: thing fans struggle with guys. I want to get your

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Speaker 1: the path to victory, right. I think every fan wants

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Speaker 1: But I think when you're in the building. You listen

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna win those two games, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: And look, they almost beat Kansas City. There a couple

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Speaker 1: you gotta get the players to believe what the coaches

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Speaker 1: that that you're way ahead of the game. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: then what you do is you're studying the opponent all week,

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Speaker 1: it really comes down to John. It comes down to

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Speaker 1: what we've been talking about forever is discipline and execution

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City game, Absolutely they could have won that game.

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Speaker 1: But the last two weeks, the discipline was not there.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, they almost won the game. This week,

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Speaker 1: the discipline was there. They beat a good appointed Let's

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Speaker 1: not let's not you know, throw uh Oakland, Excuse me

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Speaker 1: I figured, like when you execute and you played disciplined

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Speaker 1: head time and time again. Penalties cost you games. Penalties

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Speaker 1: And so this team going ahead, and if they can

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Speaker 1: That's my check. Yeah, it's funny you bring up the penalties.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching that game last night, Chicago at Pittsburgh, and

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what we have passed on this,

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, penalties, turnovers. You know, the the Giants do

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Speaker 1: think being multiple. Patrick Graham's defense is multiple. The offense

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Speaker 1: booting sixty five yard kicks with like no problems. It's crazy,

428
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Speaker 1: Jeff and I talked about all the time. But obviously

429
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: you're the guy that you know was the field goal kicker,

430
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 1: just your hound. The kicking game has evolved over the years.

431
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,880
Speaker 1: And then you guys please go back and forth on it. Yeah,

432
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's um you know. I was

433
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,199
Speaker 1: on the field Monday night in Arrowhead with my boys,

434
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 1: chopping it up with Coach Quinn and team Mac and

435
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: Gettleman and neighbors, and man, I tell you what, that

436
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,880
Speaker 1: freaking Harrison, Butker kid, he looked like he could play NF.

437
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,240
Speaker 1: He could play tight end in the NFL, probably ten

438
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 1: years ago. He is six fo or I mean Andy,

439
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 1: and he looks good like just looks like a complete athlete. Janikowski. No, no, no,

440
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 1: this is a different, different, different look. But man, and

441
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: I think as you go through, the balls are obviously better.

442
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: I think the balls are good. But man, it is

443
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: impressive the amount of long distance kicks we see. I

444
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: mean just last night Boswell and Pittsburgh fifty two fifty

445
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 1: four in that place. And then of course the Santos

446
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: kick was such a waste, what a joke. He can't

447
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: hit the sixty five yard and they ruined his streak

448
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: of forty consecutive made field goals in the NFL. I'm

449
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: getting off topic, but I wanted to rant on behalf

450
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: of Cairo Santos because they're like, you've made forty in

451
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: a row, but go kick a sixty five yarder. It

452
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: just ruined us. I hate that did that happened to him?

453
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 1: But he wasn't even close. But they're really good, I think,

454
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,199
Speaker 1: and you all agree with me here times that you

455
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: know the way both kicking and punting has evolved. Is

456
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: that when I'm a little bit older than Lawrence. But

457
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, the fact of the matter is that we

458
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: didn't have all these camps to go to. We didn't

459
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: have all these training things. These guys are training now

460
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: at you know, eleven, twelve years old, and I know

461
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: that sounds really young, but the fact is that, you know,

462
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: they fast forward that for ten years they're getting training

463
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: and they go into camps. These guys are so defined

464
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 1: and just they're so precise nowadays. And not to mention,

465
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, the workouts and everything like that. I mean,

466
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence and I played a long time because we kept

467
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: in great shape and we did workouts, but it was

468
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: just too the point where that's kind of these guys are.

469
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: They're stronger, they're bigger. As Lawrence was saying, I'm looking

470
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: at the punting statistics just going back five years ago.

471
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Speaker 1: And Lawrence, you probably remember this. In our one the

472
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Speaker 1: last game of the year in two thousand and eight,

473
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Speaker 1: I was going into that game and we played the Vikings,

474
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Speaker 1: going in with the forty yard net average. I was

475
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: coming out of the season with the forty yard net average.

476
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: I told Quinn, I'm kicking everything away from the returner.

477
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bomb of thing because i want party yard

478
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: net average. And he was like, okay, whatever you do,

479
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: just don't give up any returns. I said, we won't.

480
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: But the fact is that was there was only like

481
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: two guys that had forty yard net average in that season.

482
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: Will you look at the NFL just last year half

483
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: the league is over forty yards net half of them.

484
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: So it's almost like you can get cut now for

485
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: having less than a forty yard net Just if you

486
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: want to have fun. Anybody listening to this, just go,

487
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to look up kicking statistics

488
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: or just go look at the punting statists and look

489
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: at the lowest gross average in the lowest net average

490
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: and go back ten years and compare the two. You'll

491
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: be like, it's a huge different testing for steroids or

492
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: what's going on. Andy Lee is Andy Lee who we

493
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: all played with, and again it's just still playing and

494
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: averaging like fifty one yards um. But you know, I

495
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: saw Riley Dixon. He is a big man. Um. I

496
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: mean these punters are huge. So you know, the the

497
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: kid in Kid of the City, Townsend or whatever. I mean,

498
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: he's a big dude, these jeez old man massive. You know,

499
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: at our at the Super Bowl Anniversary, I was on

500
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: the field and uh, you know, at the halftime dealing,

501
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: he actually came over and said, hey, you know, I

502
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: never met Johnny Heck, but what a nice kid. Uh man.

503
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: He looked like freaking you had a quarter back? Yeah,

504
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: up at him. Yeah, they're big, and I think a

505
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: lot of it. You know, it's the size of some

506
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: of these kids too. I mean they're big, they're strong,

507
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: and they realized that you know, me and Feagles made

508
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: kicking and Buddy cool. So that's why they do it.

509
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: And sorry, Jeff, go ahead. And you know a lot

510
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: of people don't really understand this, but there isn't one

511
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: special teams coach I think ever in the league that's

512
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: ever played the position ever, and so they they themselves

513
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: are learning um as the years have gone by, they're

514
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: learning the position way better than they ever did. I mean,

515
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: coach Quinn was probably the best at this, you know,

516
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: for all the coaches that I had. Um he didn't

517
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: say much, but when he did say something, you knew

518
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: it was gonna be something really good. As far as

519
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: like tech, pnique wise and things like that. I think

520
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these coaches understand the position a little

521
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: bit more and they're able to coach it. We're in

522
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: the past. One of my special Teams coaches, Pete Rodriguez,

523
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: always used to tell me that, listen, you're not gonna

524
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: get any coaching for me. Kickers and punders have to

525
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: be self taught. A difference between now and back in

526
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: the year's past. Yeah, listen, And Mike Leach is having

527
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: open tryouts in Mississippi State, so Starkville. I was actually

528
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: considering driving down. Um, you know, it's the same thing

529
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: in college though. Figs. These college coaches they want to

530
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: publicly shame their kicker, which Mike Leach did. This I'm

531
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: getting off topic, but who's who coaches these kids? This

532
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: is on you. You're the head coach. Nobody coaches him.

533
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: And then I went on Mississippi State's website. They have

534
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: five freaking strength coaches, but nobody for the teams. There

535
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: you go, Mike, Yeah, Candy Cornett, Um, I just he

536
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: just is a mess. But anyway to fix this point? Um,

537
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I think you asked about Graham gone, John, Yeah, go

538
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: ahead please, So it is it is difficult, but t

539
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: Mac and coach Quinn and who are both still there

540
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: just in reverse roles are still some of the best

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: to do it. And it's there's a reason why they

542
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: continuously have really good kickers and punters the you know,

543
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: because if you think about this list, Graham gonno who's here.

544
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Obviously they made the choice to get him, but they've

545
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: had Boswell and Camp, they had Roses who went to

546
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl, they had McManus, t Mac had Butker, Like,

547
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: think about that rollodex of kickers right there, and they're prime.

548
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: I know Rosis is kind of having stuff going on now,

549
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: but like he was an elite kicker. They know what

550
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: they're doing. Tea, Mac and Quinn. That's really why we

551
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: had success there. I had my best years there because

552
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: they just let you do your job and didn't really

553
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: mess with you until they maybe thought they saw something.

554
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I had dinner with Graham when

555
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: they played in Kansas City, and you know, Graham was

556
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: not necessarily hitting the ball really well. I know he

557
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: had maybe a miss p a t or maybe a

558
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: field goal, and um, he told me about how Quinn

559
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: approached him on fixing something and and I knew exactly

560
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: what he was talking about, because you know, Quinn would

561
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: do that to me too. He just he never needled,

562
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: but when he thought he knew what something was going wrong,

563
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: he would just talk to you and all of a sudden, boom,

564
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: it clicked. And that's what Graham said. I said, I said, Graham,

565
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Speaker 1: And I told Graham this because he hasn't played for

566
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: quenty very long. I said, he's not gonna speak to

567
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you unless he knows exactly what's wrong. He's I'm just

568
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: gonna fluff you. So you know what Graham said, Yeah,

569
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: I remember used to call it, We're gonna go to

570
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: the lab, the lab, and so what he did, and

571
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: Graham said, he fixed him. You know, it was really

572
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: you were talking about a two inch plant foot that

573
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: was too close and Graham never saw that. So and

574
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: Graham's back to stroking it. And the question on him

575
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: is that kid's elite, and man, what he's had a

576
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: he had a good career, but man, it's really been.

577
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: It really took off when he got to the meadow lands.

578
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: Holy cow. I mean he is just point and shoot

579
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: at this point, he's on autopilot. I mean, then amount

580
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: of fifty plush yarders he's making and he's made you know,

581
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: maybe not so big at the end of the game,

582
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: but he's made a lot of kids just to keep

583
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: this team in games or you know, maybe extend that

584
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: lead to two scores. Um, good, dude, man, I like him. Yeah,

585
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: he's been a good player, very good. Before we hit

586
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, when you guys were there together, Lawrence,

587
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned the two thousand eleven celebration the tenth Anniversity

588
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You were down there on

589
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: the field. You were part of the festivities all weekend.

590
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: We had the little thing on Saturday night in the city.

591
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: Just what was that whole weekend? Like, you know, catching

592
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: up all of your old teammates and everybody over those

593
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: few days over that weekend. It was a lot of fun.

594
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: You know, everybody still looks the same. You know, we

595
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: missed some guys that weren't there, but um, you know,

596
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: anytime you get to catch up with guys who you

597
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: climbed the mountain top with, it's a lot of fun, man,

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: Just a lot of stories and drinking and hanging out

599
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: and seeing everybody's kids. Um. So you know, you know,

600
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Joanne did a great job with that. She always does

601
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: The Giants do a great job with those things, especially

602
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: in this COVID world. It was a little bit different

603
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: than the forty two one, but um, a lot of

604
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: credit to the Giants for putting that on and and

605
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of fun. As you know, you

606
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: got to see some of the guys. Um, it's it's

607
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: funny because it's like you never left. And it was

608
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: it's been ten years, like ten freaking years, but I

609
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: was still messing with like Derek Martin or you know,

610
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: Corey Webster, whoever it may have been, and it was

611
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: just like, you know, we never left. So it's a

612
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: special group. You know, you never It's a very special

613
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: bond and it's forever. And that's what I love about it.

614
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: What is your favorite moment from that year that's super Bowl?

615
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: In oh favorite moments? It could be one with the

616
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: one that has to do with you directly, somebody else,

617
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: whatever sticks that in your mind. Um, well, Nashville, I

618
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: mean sure, kicking the field goal in San Francisco to

619
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: put us in the Super Bowl comes to mind. Man,

620
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, this space sounds weird. I think

621
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: that win in New England Week ten, it was one

622
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: of the coolest, you know, regular season games I've ever

623
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: played in, just because I think the Patriots had one

624
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: twenty in a row. Like when I think back on

625
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: that year, that's one game that really sticks out. We

626
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: went in there, beat them, they had one twenty in

627
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: a row. Of course we're ten point dogs, and you know,

628
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Jake Ballard had a great game and Eli was playing well.

629
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: So probably that game. You know, some of the playoff

630
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: games were good, but um more specifically that regular season game.

631
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: I don't know why when you said that, that's just

632
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: what came to mind. All right, So now let's jump

633
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: back to Super Bowl for two season and I will

634
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: get out of the way and I'll just start the

635
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: conversation by saying, guys, tell me what the NFC Championship

636
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: game in Green Bay was like? Fi FeAs. I tell

637
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: this story all the time because I was in you know,

638
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: I came up for the anniversary and played in the

639
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Giants charity golf outing were you out there? Face? I

640
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: know I couldn't make it, okay, okay, So I know

641
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: I asked around and it was funny because that's naturally

642
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: the biggest question you first question you get from guys

643
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: when you get paired with the group. I played with

644
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of great guys and they specifically go to

645
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: that game. And so I always tell the story about

646
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: fix we're you know, we usually did like ten kicks

647
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: on each side. Uh, you know, ten field goals to

648
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: warm up, and I think we maybe got to do

649
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: three or four or five, not many feats. If heaks

650
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: looked at me, he goes, see I cannot catch the football.

651
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm like, yeah, I'm done too, like hent

652
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: like it was so cold he could not catch the

653
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: snaps from our powitz er rocket throwing snapper Jay Alford

654
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: um left handed. Um, So we just stopped kicking because

655
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I had to worry about feats, had to go punt. Yeah, man,

656
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure he got his work in punting.

657
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, we kicked like four balls. You tried. I

658
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: tell his story all the time. I tell people of

659
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: all the years that I played. And remember two thousand

660
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: seven was my twentieth season, and so for twenty years

661
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: I had always warmed up. There wasn't a game that

662
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: I never warmed up for, except there was one game.

663
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 1: That one because I was on the we warmed up

664
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: on one side. We went to the other. I told Lawrence,

665
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: did listen, I can't feel my hands, man, I'm I'm

666
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: you know. So I went in. I never warmed up.

667
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: I never punted that game. I never warmed up. I

668
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: went right in. And I remember putting my hands underneath

669
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: the faucet in the in the bathroom, in the locker room.

670
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: My hands were so cold and in the warm water

671
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: they started to hurt. And I was singing to myself,

672
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what am I doing? Are my hands

673
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: ever gonna like? Are they ever gonna come back? You know?

674
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: So that was just so freaking cold. And during the game, uh,

675
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: we were like two Eskimos on the man. It was brutal.

676
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I've never been I mean,

677
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: obviously the temperature there, but it's the mental toughness it

678
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: took to get through that game. Obviously we had the

679
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: highs and the lows. We made a couple of gigs,

680
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: we missed a couple of gigs, and then we make

681
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: the big one at the end. But just the survival. Man,

682
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone knows what that feels like.

683
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Like I always go back to that, like like I

684
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: couldn't do that now. I'm forty three years already. I

685
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. There's no way I could go back

686
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: into that those elements and replay that game again and

687
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: handle it. I would just die. I think I'm just

688
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: not mainly cough anymore. Remember I was forty three in

689
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: that game. No, listen, your blood doesn't flow that well

690
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: when you're just kind of you know, get a little

691
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: bit cold. But I'll tell you this, Um, I just

692
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: remember the whole sequence, and I know that we've you've

693
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: heard it, and Lawrence, you've gone over at the whole

694
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: sequence about the last kick of the game, and you know,

695
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: and how it was everything was kind of up to

696
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: that point. And and I'll never ever forget the fact

697
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: that I'm sitting there on the sideline and I'm just

698
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: I know I'm going in. There's no way that we're

699
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: kicking this field goal, and I am so ready to

700
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: just go in and do my little you know, tip

701
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: chip shot down there, get inside the tent, put the

702
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: defense on the field, and and loan me all. I'll

703
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: never forget number nine running on the fields just and

704
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: we're looking all looking at each other and confence, looking around,

705
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: and he just could not say I couldn't say. Well,

706
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: first of all, he probably couldn't talk because his face

707
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: was so red. I probably have perfect like uh you know,

708
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: uh uske whever um. But man, I'll tell you that

709
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: was and I was just like, okay, here we going.

710
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: I remember running out there not saying a word to

711
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Lawrence because I knew he was so focused. And we

712
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: never really say anything to the kickers anyway. We've we've

713
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: done this so many times. We just know, get the spot,

714
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, three back to or whatever it is, and uh,

715
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I just never forget. Now this is the truth. So

716
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: a little high snap ball goes down, and I know

717
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: the natural flight of Lawrence's kick is a little, as

718
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: we call and excuse me in golf, is a little draw.

719
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Right that ball starts out to the right, and I'm

720
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: getting goose bumps right now, man, And I knew it

721
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: was coming back. I knew that the thing was coming

722
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: right back in there, and man, it was over. The

723
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: worst part about that field goal, Lawrence times, is you

724
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: running off the field and leaving me hanging the dry

725
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: No high five nothing, you were so called. You just

726
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: left me. I was gone, and well you got eli

727
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: came out pretty quickly and Michael straighthand I think or

728
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: they're pretty pretty soon after. You know what, Figgs, if

729
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: you remember, you know, I get asked this question a lot,

730
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: like like I was three, I was three for five

731
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: a it was the best game of my life. Like

732
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: that that forty three ardor that we missed maybe with

733
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: with eight minutes left, like that's really what. Had I

734
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: not had that attempt, I don't think I would have

735
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: felt as good about going out there for a forty

736
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: seven yarder because I hit that pretty well. I just

737
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: didn't start it. I didn't play the win right, so

738
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: I missed it left the one at the end of regulation.

739
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm way past it now. That was just the worst

740
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: operation of all time. I'm trying to buy time. I'm

741
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: leaning back. Figgs did a hell of a job getting

742
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: it down, and so listen, that kid is what it is.

743
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: It was terrible. But I knew if we could get

744
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: the snap down in the hole on the on the

745
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: forty seven like I was thinking, Man, I had that

746
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: forty three ardor pretty damn good, I can get this

747
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: ball there, and we just we started it on the

748
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: right you know line if you will, and then it

749
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: just drew right in. But Um, it's unbelievable to think

750
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: back on that game because they show it every year,

751
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: so we never we get to forget it almost, you know,

752
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: feels like it's will forever, you know what. I I

753
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: love it because everybody does talk about it and I

754
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: will never ever ever forget that because that's just you know,

755
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: that was the one that got us to the super Bowl.

756
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: And you know, my my career would not have been

757
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: complete without well, first of all, that was the first

758
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: NFC championship game, let alone the first super Bowl I

759
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: ever went to and won. Being in the league as

760
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: long as I did and not being able to have that,

761
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: uh would have been horrible. But I mean, there's nothing

762
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: nothing else. And then then I had that I had

763
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: to do in the league, Uh, longevity, super Bowl, Pro Bowl,

764
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: everything doesn't matter, you know. So I was just so happy.

765
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: But that it's kind of funny that that was. That

766
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: was a heck of a football game for everyone. Man,

767
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: cold it gets brought up so much, and that was

768
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: the thing. I think our team was so mentally tough

769
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: to be there do that. Well. If you remember, Brandon

770
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: set the tone when he came out at hit Woodson

771
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: writing the chops like five players in and I'm sure

772
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: those dvs are like, oh boy, I don't want to

773
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: hit this guy, you know, but ultimately we ended up

774
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: I think throwing you know obviously ELI and tumor and

775
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: plaques at unbelievable games. It was just our year man.

776
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: We were you know, it's it's hard to watch kind

777
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: of this, you know, not to the poop who on

778
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: this current Giant's team, but you know, having played for

779
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: a couple of teams like that and during that Cofflin

780
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: era and then you get to kind of watch this

781
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: last you know, ten years of Giants football. It just

782
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: frustrates you as a fan because we care so much

783
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: about the organization and no um, but they're getting there. Listen.

784
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Joe Judges too, so I

785
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: like them. I like this team, and I just need

786
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: to get healthy, you know. John. One thing that's uh,

787
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: that's unique about the kickers and you know years ago

788
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: there wasn't a snapper, but now there is. I mean,

789
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: the snapper is part of the you know, the specialist. Um.

790
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: But we're just such we're just everybody becomes just such

791
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: great friends because you know, we spent some much time

792
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: together on the field, Um, you know, and and we're

793
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: we're such good workers. I mean, we know what we

794
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: got to get done, and we all are just we

795
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: we kind of thrive off of each other. And I

796
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: think that's what's so special about the bond that you

797
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: have with all the kickers and punchers. And obviously, you know,

798
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: when you play as long as both of us did

799
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: in the league, there's other guys that come in. There's snappers,

800
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: there's holders, there's kickers as everybody. But no matter what,

801
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: even the guys there for two weeks or ten years,

802
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There's that great bond of specialist that

803
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: that we can share. And you can always have that bond.

804
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: And I think that everybody else in the league understands that, um,

805
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: but as a fan and someone like yourself, it's hard

806
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: to understand. But we just we just do something. I mean,

807
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: how about our training camp, Steinsy, I mean how much fun.

808
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean we when we were John, you were up

809
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: in Albany and we used to have the apartments up there.

810
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean we just hung out and everybody was envious

811
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: as of us because we wereround the meetings before anybody

812
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: and we were at to drink beers in the in

813
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: the in the apartments, and they didn't a time listen.

814
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like like Jeff said, everybody in the End

815
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: of Oh wants to be a kicker and punter except

816
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: on Sunday. And I love that quote because guys will

817
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: tell you that all the time. They just want our

818
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: work week schedule, but they don't want to be out there.

819
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: They don't want to be out there on Sunday with

820
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: the game online or having to hit a big punt

821
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: backed up out of the in So I mean, it's

822
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: just one of those things. And I think the respect

823
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: is so big is because when you think about thirty

824
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: two people in the world get to do it kicker

825
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: hunter per year. That's it. In the world. Thirty two

826
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: people in the entire universe get to play in the NFL.

827
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: The respect that you have for the guys that are

828
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: able to do that is through the roof. And you know,

829
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, you go out there and you may get

830
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: one shot, you may get no shots, you may get

831
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: two shots a game. And I think it's the ultimate.

832
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, people always ask you thinks, I'm sure you

833
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: know about it's weird, like you know, two players mess

834
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: with you, but like like like, mess with me. I'm like,

835
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I feel like we're one of the most respected guys

836
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: on the football team. If you do your job well, Um,

837
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: you just gotta take care of your business. Like fig said,

838
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mine, you know, don't be

839
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: out there screwing around when the guys are doing their stuff.

840
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: Go work with them, sweat with them, run with them,

841
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: lift with them. And I think, guys, you know you

842
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: see it now, that's why kickers make five million dollars

843
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: a year now minutes. Yeah, the NFL respects him. They

844
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: deserve it. They deserve every penny they get. Yeah, that's

845
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So what was it like guys

846
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: getting the operation right? You know, I imagine that takes

847
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of precision and a lot of work. So

848
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: how do you get that to the point where Lawrence?

849
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: The way Jeff works with long snapper allows you to

850
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: be as consistent as you are. So it's really between

851
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: those two guys in a sense, you know, to get down,

852
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, because if you think about where you have

853
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: to catch the football, that's really the most important piece.

854
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Like do you do you go get it a little bit?

855
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: You let it get into you, do you let it travel,

856
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: so basically, where are you catching the football from that

857
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: snapper in order for the laces to be at like

858
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: a premium position to where you just put it out.

859
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: You know, Mason Crosby had a crappy deal this past

860
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: weekend in Kansas City. I think we all saw the

861
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: laces left. So it's really between those two. Jeff Credit

862
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: has obviously seen a million of staffs otherwise knee hurts

863
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: from getting on a knee eighteen billion times, but you know,

864
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: him seeing all these snaps. We had a really unique

865
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: situation that people won't remember this, but in those seven

866
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: when I got there, Ryan Keel is the snapper and

867
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: he pops into Killes and you know, one week, two

868
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: weeks into camp, but we got this third round pick

869
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: named Jay Alford. Coach Coffin basically says that the practice

870
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: he goes anyone else snap and Alford raises his hand,

871
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm going, oh, nikes, And then Zach Deossi, who ultimately

872
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: ends up being the snapper forever, does the punt. So people.

873
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: What people don't realize is that season the Super Bowl

874
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: forty two, we had a punt snapper and a field

875
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: goal snapper, two separate guys I don't know when that

876
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: has last ever happened. And oh, by the way, he's

877
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: left handed, Jay Alford, and that's hard so Fees can

878
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: probably tell you more about because he he zipped the ball.

879
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was we never got any work. Remember,

880
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: we never got to we never got to practice very much.

881
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: So it was used to be, you know, having your

882
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: your holder or your snapper with you was liked so

883
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: that back in my rookie days, in first years in

884
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: the league, there wasn't a snapper like Jay Um like uh,

885
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that was with you all the

886
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: time like dis and these guys were with their specialists.

887
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Well before these guys would come after practice, they would

888
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: they don't want to snap. They just the whole day

889
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: they just got them practicing football. So hey, j can

890
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: we get some snaps? So I'll never forget the first

891
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: time that he came Lawrence, And remember Jay offered is

892
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: at the time. He's not as big anymore, but this

893
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: guy was big strong. I mean he's so I'm not

894
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: told he's left handed. Okay, so he gets over the

895
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: ball and not in the first snap, I didn't even

896
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: realize which way that snapped. The rotation was going because

897
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: it came back in a hundred and fifty miles an hour.

898
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: And I said to the guy, I'm like, Jay, dude,

899
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: you you can't do that. I'm eight yards away from

900
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: you. You You can't. This isn't a long snap. This is

901
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: a short snap. Slow it down, next snap coming, drop it.

902
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: He goes, is that better? I go, yeah, yeah, all right,

903
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: that's that's better. Let's try it again. It took me

904
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: three snaps to finally figure out it's going the wrong way.

905
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: It's the spin is coming the wrong way. And might

906
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah. I'm like, I look at queen. I'm like,

907
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: didn't tell me a guy was left handed. He's like,

908
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. I don't think he knew it either, honestly.

909
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, we gotta get used to that.

910
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: So talk about the operation, John. That takes a lot

911
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: of time to learn how to catch it left hand.

912
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: And then I gotta go and go with Jossie who's

913
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: right handed on the on the pond. So it's it's

914
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: it took a little bit of time, but hey, listen,

915
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: it worked. It worked fine. They offered to his credit.

916
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: You gotta give him a lot of credit, man, because

917
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: that kid had a sack in the Super Bowl and

918
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: snapped field goals and p A T s in the

919
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That's probably never been done, you know, So

920
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that's always a cool story I like to

921
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: tell about Jay Alford because no one really probably knows

922
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: that Jay Alford is. To be honest, answer your question,

923
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: the operation, it starts with that snapper. I mean, if

924
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: that guy the rotations by the time I catch it

925
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and the laces are there, it makes my job so

926
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: much easier and it makes Lawrence's job tremendously. But you know,

927
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: when the timing is off, things can happen. I'll never forget. Uh.

928
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: You know, when John Carney was here, we were playing

929
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: in Washington and the snap was really low and I

930
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: went to grab it and I bobbled it and when

931
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: I when I do, it was an extra point, the

932
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: old extra point. So I just put my I put

933
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: my ball down with both hands on the ball like

934
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: this literally, and I didn't know whether to take this

935
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: hand off where he's gonna or take this hand because

936
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: that we just wanted to get it. So I just

937
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: kept both of them on and and John kicked the ball.

938
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: He kicked my hand. The ball went through the goal post.

939
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: But I'll never forget how bad that hurts. So bad,

940
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: but all because of just done that. I've done that before.

941
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I kicked Dustin Colvit's hand here in kids City, So uh,

942
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's not good. Somebody's got to be doing right.

943
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's listen, not an easy job. Man. When

944
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I see game winning field goals now or any kind

945
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: of big pressure kicks, like my nerves or palpitations go

946
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: right to the holder. It's it's weird, like it's not

947
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: the kicker anywhere. I'm like, you know, people forget how

948
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: hard of the job that is, Like it's the most

949
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: underappreciated job in the NFL. Because then I get it,

950
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: it's our fault. We make it look so easy, you guys,

951
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: make it look so dang easy that you put any

952
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Joe blow athletes down there to do that. I tell

953
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: everybody all the time, guess how how fast to snap

954
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: in the hole in the kicking. People just don't when

955
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: you say one point to five, I think about that's

956
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: the whole deal, that's it. I mean, think about it.

957
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: So you know, there's there's a lot that can go

958
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: wrong in one point two seconds. So it's got to

959
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: be perfect, you know. So I got two questions before

960
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: we say goodbye, Lawrence. Why the hell are the laces

961
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: and what the right and they're facing? So important for

962
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: a kick? Science? Absolute, just science, basic science. Um, you

963
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: know if they're if they're straight back, that's more of

964
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: a miss. You can still hit you know, big kicks,

965
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: but for but you rarely ever practice that way. So really,

966
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, lace's back sucks, but you can still make

967
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the kick. Laces left and right is a problem, you know.

968
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: Mason Crosby talked about it. I had one this weekend

969
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs. This holder just put the ball down

970
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: laces clear as day left. He missed left right, the

971
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: ball is gonna go left. So by the lights you

972
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: want to get into the science. Is that just because

973
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: the wind? Is it? Basically it's like drag He toted it.

974
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: He hit a little bit of the next ball. I

975
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of everything, right, you just

976
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: he was a little bit surprised by what this holder

977
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: was doing. But then there there is you know, it

978
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: was not a short kick. It's just the weight issue. Right.

979
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: The laces are on the left side of the ball.

980
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: As the ball travels it's gonna start to you know,

981
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: drag that way the coefficient or so. I don't know

982
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: exactly I went to Troy, not to you, you know,

983
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, definitely, Yeah. Jeff was in science class

984
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: all the time in his time in Miami. I'm sure,

985
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: no question about it, all right. And finally, times you

986
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: do have a really good, um either Fiegel story for

987
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: me or a good Yeah, give me a good Fiegel

988
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: story that maybe I haven't heard before so I can

989
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: make fun of him. Oh man, do I have any

990
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: good Eagle stories? Geez? Not, not off the top of

991
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: my head. The one thing I will tell Jeff in

992
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: the public setting is that I was a better football

993
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: player because of him, and he really taught me the ropes.

994
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: I showed up four years thought I knew it, but

995
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: I didn't until I got to hang around and play

996
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: with him. Uh. You know, I love the way he

997
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: he fathered his kids, husband football player. So Jeff fiegeles

998
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: to me is one of my biggest idols in the game,

999
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: and I love him for it. So and he showed

1000
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: me the ear plugs. So you know, Michelle, I know

1001
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: all the boys. I've followed them since they were playing football.

1002
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: My boys are there now they're four teens, so it's

1003
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: kind of full circle. But Jeff Beagles means a lot

1004
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: to me as a football player. So John, I knew

1005
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: we gotta go. And I really appreciate that, Lawrence, And

1006
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: you're welcome, um and and listen, everything I did for you,

1007
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: I I did it because I cared for you and

1008
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I wanted you to be successful and I'm just happy

1009
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: you you work, So thank you. You know, the ear

1010
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: plug thing was was something really special because, um, of

1011
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: all people, way before John Carney ever got to the Giants,

1012
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: when I was with the Cardinals and he was with

1013
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: the Chargers, we used to go out there in training

1014
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: camp and he that's what started me with the with

1015
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: with the ear plugs, is he started them, and it

1016
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: took a little while to get used to him. But

1017
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, for people that don't know that, a lot

1018
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: of the guys wear ear plugs in the game because

1019
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: it quiets everything down for you, especially when you go

1020
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: on the road and like a place like Kansas City,

1021
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, and the opposing kickers got to go in

1022
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: there and make a field goal. It's loud, so it

1023
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of quiet everything down for you. And my greatest

1024
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: story with my with the ear plugs was the first

1025
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: year the coffin was a coach. We're playing the Jets

1026
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: in preseason. I had my ear plugs in and I

1027
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: had kicked a couple of touchbacks. And this is back

1028
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: before they had the bows system where they had wireless. Well,

1029
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: he had the wire and he was walking down the

1030
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: sideline and he couldn't get to our kicking that. He's

1031
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: yelling at me. I have my ear plugs and I

1032
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: can't hear him. He's yelling at me for kicking the

1033
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: ball in the end zone. We come out a halftime,

1034
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: late third quarter, I kick another one, which is very

1035
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't kick three touchbacks in the game. He he

1036
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: can't only in preseason. He comes running down the sideline,

1037
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: rips his headset off, takes the belt off where the

1038
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: where the cord is hutting down to me and gets

1039
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: up in my face and I very quietly go like this,

1040
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: what's up? Coach? He goes, He looks, he looks at

1041
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: me with these with the you know how Tom Coughin looks.

1042
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: He goes, Heller lows, I go, they're my ear plugs.

1043
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: You go, well, no, wonder you haven't been hearing me.

1044
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's the first Um now I just didn't

1045
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: pay attention to. But it's a really good too. I

1046
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: encourage a lot of kids I work with, you know,

1047
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: heaving to college, not maybe not so much high school,

1048
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: but start to introduce it them, but college kids. It

1049
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: really added a whole another layer of focus to my

1050
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: game when I got to New York. So that and

1051
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: you need that as a kickers or punchers. You needed

1052
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: so much more to talk about guys, so much more

1053
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: to reminisce about. Let's do this again soon maybe offseason

1054
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: and then we can have a more talk about the

1055
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: history in the past. Was one more time? Tell the

1056
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: folks way they can find your podcast and anything else

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Speaker 1: called the Blue Rush Pod, Blue Rug Podcast. Um we

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Speaker 1: dropped twice a week just during the season. So it's

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Speaker 1: all a pro Giants podcast. We have Giants guests past current,

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Speaker 1: to one thirty. Guys, this was fun. Let's do it

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Speaker 1: again soon, all right, thank you John LaRence. Good seeing

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Speaker 1: anybody say, how did the faith? Yeah? Tell me, Sean say,

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Speaker 1: I certainly will. Thanks guys. That's the gihnt Shuttle podcast.

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