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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm in Lazar Lazar, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: He joined us. Always buy ours Bar David match rescheduled.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barr. What's your dumb

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Speaker 1: number one? I'll go five to one safety, corner, wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Tackle Number one is punter because now I'm kidding, you're

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Speaker 1: about to shut my mike off. I'm a sucked out. No.

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Speaker 1: I was like, how can we mute him right now?

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Speaker 1: Are you sure it's not punter? Not yet? Still time,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of offseason left. Well, we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about punters today because we got some big Patriots

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Speaker 1: news to talk about. And I'm gonna call this an

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Speaker 1: emergency podcast. It was. This was not necessarily planned ahead

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Speaker 1: of time, but the news yesterday breaking that Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: is back as a Patriots offensive coordinator. He's been in

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Speaker 1: the building. That's just you know what I've heard and

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Speaker 1: what we've been told, what the Shrine Bowls told us

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Speaker 1: that he's he's in the building. He's been in the

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Speaker 1: building since Monday, and Bill O'Brien is back in New England,

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre, Alex Bars Patriots Catch twenty two coming to

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Speaker 1: you on a Wednesday. It's also weird. We don't usually

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Speaker 1: do Wednesday. Just last week we give that whole spield

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Speaker 1: about Hey, we're in this time. Then of course tomorrow

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Speaker 1: along with Bill O'Brien, as it turns out, Thank you

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Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. I was wondering if he was going to

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Speaker 1: make the trip with us. Alex and I'll be making

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Speaker 1: the trip to Las Vegas for the Shrine Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I am really fascinated to see the prospects out there,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna do a little Shy Bowl

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Speaker 1: preview at the end after we were done talking about Billy. Oh,

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Speaker 1: but I'm also really fascinated. I think more so maybe

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Speaker 1: at this point in the prospects, just because we're so

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Speaker 1: early in the draft circuit. Is the dynamics of the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff how this all works out. So Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo, and Bill O'Brien are in these supervisor roles,

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Speaker 1: these overseas roles. The actual coaching is going to be

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Speaker 1: done by the assistance. Troy Brown is the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the West team at the Shrine Bowl at the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are representing Ross Douglas hot coaching name right now,

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Speaker 1: honestly a guy that's rising through the ranks here in

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Speaker 1: to coach quarterbacks, and then Mike Pellegrino and Brian Belichick

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Speaker 1: the secondary coaches, if you will, The safety and cornerback

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Speaker 1: coaches for the Patriots are going to split the defense

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Speaker 1: and be co defensive coordinators. But as much as that's

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Speaker 1: cool and I'm glad for those guys that they get

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Speaker 1: to see how much evaluation Bill O'Brien and Gerard Mayo

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Speaker 1: are doing alongside Bill Belichick macro in the front office. Like,

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Speaker 1: is Bill O'Brien going to have Bill Belichick's ear when

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Speaker 1: it comes to talent evaluation? I look at these guys

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Speaker 1: Covering the draft is a numbers game. It is. It's

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Speaker 1: you just got to cast a wide net and hope

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Speaker 1: that you hit, especially with this team. But maybe they

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Speaker 1: get to the Shrine Bowl, and I know everybody's darling

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Speaker 1: around here is A Flowers. The Patriots will coach Za

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Speaker 1: Troy Brown will be there as the head coach. Ross

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Speaker 1: all hands on deck in terms of offensive evaluation offensive

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Speaker 1: higher I think the two bigger Pickr takeaways that I

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Speaker 1: think is probably that we're finally going to get remember

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, but in general, from a sophistication standpoint,

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Speaker 1: Moss was off the team in twenty ten. It was

428
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Speaker 1: branch on the outside and they ran Tae Kwon Underwood

429
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: out there at the end of the year, and you

430
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: only had three catches that year. He's pretty much just

431
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: a decoy. Let me bring up this name then, because

432
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about the draft for that role. But all right,

433
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: so your your best receiver needs to be in the slot,

434
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: but you want a guy who you can put outside

435
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: when you need to. Evan you're describing Jerry Judy. Yeah,

436
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: he's a good fit too. Like that to me, So

437
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 1: this all tells me that Jerry Judy is like if

438
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: they're going to go out and get the veteran. Yeah,

439
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: we're not talking Hawkins anymore. Like Judy is the guy. Yeah,

440
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of what it sounds like you're saying. And

441
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree. I'm fine with that. But yeah, those

442
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: are the couple of things that well, let me ask

443
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Speaker 1: you this then, Okay, second round pick, Yeah, drafts a

444
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: flower or traded for Jerry Judy. I'd probably trade it

445
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: for Jerry Judy. I'm with you. I would with you

446
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: go get the guy who's proven he can do. I

447
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: don't know if that's enough. If Jerry Judy is truly

448
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: on the open market and he becomes available, do they

449
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: trade him for the forty fifth pick in the draft? I? I, well, okay,

450
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: and call it and something? You know, Yeah, but I

451
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: think I think there is a big and something. A J.

452
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Brown went for what like the twentieth nine? All right,

453
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: so Jerry Judy's not a J. Brown? Right? Do you

454
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: call it? And it was just the first nothing else? Yeah?

455
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: Does like a second and a future third? A second

456
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: and they do have they could do a second and

457
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: a third. What's also fascinating, not to get down the

458
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy rabbit hole, No, I want to do this.

459
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: What's also fascinating is that it's essentially the same trade

460
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: that they made for Brandon Cooks, right, because Brandon Cooks

461
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: had that fifth year option, right, Yeah, you're right, and

462
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: he traded for him in year four, and then they

463
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: traded him on the fifth year option for the first

464
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: for the twenty third overall pick, which is eventually Isaiah Win.

465
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: But it's two years of team control. If you trade

466
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: for Jerry Judy this offseason, assuming that that fifth year

467
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: option gets picked up, which I assume it would. So

468
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: it's that is the Brandon Cook's trade. Now they traded

469
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: their first round pick for Brands. I don't think they

470
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: need to give up the first round pick to get

471
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: maybe like, well, the Broncos don't have a first. I

472
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: was gonna say, maybe trade down in the first, like

473
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: swap firsts. This is the other thing. The Broncos are

474
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: desperate for picks. Yeah, so they might take a second

475
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: and a third over like a late first because they

476
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: at a certain point just eighty players. Yeah, so they

477
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: need they need a lot. And look, he put up

478
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: a thousand yards in a thousand rounding up it's like

479
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: nine eighties something. He put up a thousand yards in

480
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: dat offense last year. I know people have said, well,

481
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: he's not as proven as Got like Hopkins or Got

482
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans younger, he's he is room to grow

483
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: and he's proven enough. I look at what he did

484
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: lasts at this point, and yeah, over that one something

485
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: against Andrew Hopkins. I just don't really have much interest

486
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: in the thirty one year old receiver. Yeah, and I

487
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: don't know about the relationship between him and O'Brien at

488
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: this point. That's that's a that's you know me, I

489
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: don't really care about that kind of stuff. But more

490
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: so than anything, I I want to see them get

491
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: that twenty five, twenty six year old hitting the second

492
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: contract receiver than Judy came out young Jerry Judy's I

493
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: think twenty three. That that that's more ideal to me.

494
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy will be a twenty will will turn twenty

495
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: four during OTA's next year. All right, So that I

496
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: think is a decent breakdown of the staples of the

497
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: O'Brian offense, like going back a decade, right that he is,

498
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, has juke like that's his offense, Right bunches,

499
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: switch releases, like all those different types of things to

500
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: attack the middle of the field, tight ends right nub

501
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: from Morton's two tight end sets, like that's that's what

502
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: he does. The other element of this, which we talked

503
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: about a lot when we talked about candidates and why

504
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: we liked Bill O'Brien so much for this job, is

505
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: the Alabama angle and looking at what Alabama did over

506
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: the last two years really modernizing the old Patriots Bill

507
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: O'Brien offense, and I don't want to call it the

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: old Patriots offense because I still think that Bill O'Brien's

509
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: was at three years as the actual OC right because

510
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: McDaniels left in O eight. I still think that those

511
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: three years were a little bit different than the McDaniels years. Well,

512
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I do. Here's what's important to remember. Bill O'Brien didn't

513
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: run his offense at Alabama when they hired him to

514
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 1: replace Steve Sarcasian in the spring of twenty twenty one.

515
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: The idea from Sabin was you're gonna run this offense

516
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: we've been running with Sark And that's where mac Jones

517
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: comes in. Mac Jones is the one who taught it

518
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: to him that spring while he was getting ready for

519
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: the track. I think it's even based off of what

520
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I saw in film. Yeah, I think Bill O'Brien put

521
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: his spin on it. Oh, of course he did more

522
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: than maybe that. But the question is how much of

523
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: what they were doing is our truly thing? And this

524
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: isn't like a knock. This is a legitimate question that

525
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. Yeah, how much of what they

526
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: were doing does O'Brien truly believe in? And wants to

527
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: bring with him, and how much was he running because

528
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Saban wanted him to run it. Yeah, that's a fair question.

529
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: I think from a passing game standpoint, like take the

530
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: RPOs and all the all that stuff out of it

531
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: and just think about a traditional drop back pass from

532
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: the gun. That was all O'Brien like, that was all

533
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: the O'Brien offense. Sarkisian's offense from the gun was much

534
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: more air raid, you know, throw the football down the

535
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: field because they had those receivers right, they had you know,

536
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: Um Waddle and DeVante Smith and Mechi like, so they

537
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: were Mac was airing it out at Alabama in twenty twenty.

538
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: If you watched that film, he's throwing deep balls left

539
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: and right at Alabama. So that's a different I think

540
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: when they ran, especially last year with Bryce Young, was

541
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: much more like Bill O'Brien centric. Now the Alabama flying

542
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: or alabamafication, alabamafication, whatever you want to call it. I

543
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: want to call it alabamafication, Okay, alabamafication of the Patriots offense.

544
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: What I'm really hoping and expecting is that that early

545
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: down RPO package that they dip their toe in last

546
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: year but let's face it, it it was It was a

547
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: horrible It was horrible. You're talking about they here here, Patriots.

548
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: They will now get the PhD version of the RPO

549
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: package that Bill O'Brien can bring from Alabama, which is

550
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: maybe one of the best RPO packages in any level

551
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: of football. You had the number you texted me this,

552
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: they didn't run like the number of like truly designed

553
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: runs without a pass option attached was like very low

554
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: lest Alabama. Yeah, yeah, So I'm gonna get to the

555
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: run game because I think that that's an important part

556
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: of this. That's of course to me. The run game

557
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: is the big unknown right now with Bill O'Brien. But

558
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: I get to that in a second. The RPO package

559
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: on the early downs, I think is going to go

560
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: from basically inside zone bubble right where you run an

561
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: inside zone in the middle of the field and the

562
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: bubble screen attached to it on the outside. Now you

563
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: get RPOs with slants. Now you get RPOs with motion right,

564
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: guys coming in motion and running off those those actions.

565
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: Now you get seams from the tight ends off RPO.

566
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: Where did you say slants? Yes, slants are the biggest one.

567
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: That's the big that's my favorite RPO personally, So I

568
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: want to say, well that that one is that's Alabama

569
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: is stable, right, Especially I would say the X slant right,

570
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: the backside slant. Yeah. So because you run these inside

571
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: zone or even if you want to run a gap scheme,

572
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: the linebackers have to come up and press up right right,

573
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: and when they press up, you just hit the slant

574
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: right right by his earhole. Right. So those are the

575
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: types of players that Alabama is known for and that

576
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: they could bring here NAC thrived with in twenty twenty

577
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: in their RPO package. I love the way that they

578
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: motioned guys at Alabama as well. They ran a ton

579
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: of motion screens where the receiver kind of comes in

580
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: motion first and then you throw it to him while

581
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: he's running, while he's already on the move, and that

582
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: allows him to build up that momentum so much so

583
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: instead of throwing the ball out on a screen to

584
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: a stationary wide receiver, now you're having the receiver roll

585
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: into it right where he's got a head of steam

586
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: as he's coming up the field. So those are the

587
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: types of things I think, well, they'll pull from Alabama

588
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and be able to run here and last year their

589
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: RPO package was statistically terrible. Talking about the Patriots, Yeah,

590
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: they were negative EPA off RPO. They were negative air

591
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: yards per attempt off RPO because all they were throwing

592
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: were screens, right, So that RPO package that they ran

593
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: last year, to put it politely, was rudimentary. Like it

594
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: was basic, as basic as it comes when it comes

595
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: to that type of thing. So I think Bill O'Brien

596
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: will be able to bring that to the twenty first century,

597
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: if you will, and modernize it to the point where

598
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: it's actually going to be an effective tool for the Patriots.

599
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: So you'll have a little bit of that twenty eleven

600
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Patriot offense will probably be ninety percent of what they're

601
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: about to do next year, and then the other ten

602
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: percent will be stealing some of this stuff from Alabama.

603
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: So all right, I know you don't want to do this,

604
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bring it up. Oh boy, A lot

605
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: of those concepts you're talking about, we're geared around the

606
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: running back like Jamir Gibbs led the team and catches,

607
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: He led the team and carries. Why are we doing this?

608
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it too. I'm not going where you

609
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: think I'm going to the point just being like, is

610
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: that it felt like they did that at a necessity,

611
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: kind of like the Patriots did with Romandre Stevenson. You know,

612
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: they lost, they lost Metchie, Jamison Williams, and Slay Bowling

613
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: of the draft, Aggie Hall transfers to Texas. All they

614
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: had left was Jermaine Burton, who transferred in this year

615
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: from Georgia, and then a bunch of underclassmen who'd really

616
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: never played. Jan Corey Brooks had played a little bit,

617
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: right is So that's my other questions, like is this

618
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna be another year of running the running? And Jamir

619
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Gibbs was the best player on their offense. It made

620
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: a ton of reasons. I mean outside of Bryce Young,

621
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: obviously it made a ton of sense. There were reasons

622
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: to give him the football as much as they did.

623
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: But now the question is is that, like I hope

624
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: O'Brien doesn't come in with that. Stevenson should still be

625
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: a big part of the offense. He's really good, but

626
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you can't run the guy in the ground again. You

627
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: gotta get the wide receivers involved. Yeah, no, I don't,

628
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't think and even even sorry to tag onto

629
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: that you talk about the importance of the slot, Well,

630
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: what did they do late in the year. Jeremy Jamir

631
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Gibbs is out there lining up in the slot late

632
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: in the year. Is the slot receiver like it was,

633
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: just wherever the ball is going, whatever position, We're gonna

634
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: put that guy there, right. I don't think so. I

635
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: think though, and I'm hoping that it can be the

636
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: same guy. But to me, what they need and I

637
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna say this and people are gonna say, oh,

638
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: can Taekwon do that? Like maybe, but they need that

639
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: guy that the ball carrier, right, like they need the

640
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: dynamic ball carrier that when they run a three step

641
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: slant off an RPO, that guy is taking it right

642
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: to the house. A guy that when they run those

643
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: swing screens with the motion off the RPO and they

644
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: flip it out, and because they have the numbers on

645
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: the screen, they need somebody that's gonna take that screen

646
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: and actually produce an explosive play out of it. That

647
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: maybe not so much this past year at Alabama, but

648
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Crimson tied and the twenty twenty

649
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Crimson tied, they had that guy right. Twenty twenty one

650
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: it was Jamison Williams. Twenty twenty it was Davante Smith

651
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: and Waddle like they had those explosives. Well, so here's

652
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: my thing, like twenty twenty one verse twenty twenty two, Right,

653
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: it's different even though it's still Bill O'Brien, the offense

654
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: is a little different. It's kind of just piecing together,

655
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: all right. What changes did they make because the offense

656
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: was evolving going into twenty twenty two versus what changes

657
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: did they make simply because they had to make them

658
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: around the person? Right? So again, I think that that

659
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: that guy, just like Wattle or Jamison Williams was for them.

660
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: I think it could be the same guy, right like,

661
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: I think you can put a guy like, you know,

662
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: just to use another draft example, since we already use

663
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: a Flowers, Like, I think you can put a guy

664
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: like Jordan Addison in the slot, and then I think

665
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: you can also put them in motion and run them

666
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: on our pos as well. Right like, I think it

667
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: can be the same guy, which is a benefit to

668
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots, not like they have to go out and

669
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: get two different guys, but that role I think is

670
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: extremely important if they're going to try to do it

671
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: this way. Like if they're going to try to be

672
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: a vintage O'Brien combined with Alabama, like they are going

673
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: to have to find that player somewhere and that I

674
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: love them, but that's not Jacobe Myers right right. And

675
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: I know that maybe some people will hear that it

676
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: could be Kendrick Borne, like maybe I think it could be,

677
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: but I still would want that guy to be shiftier

678
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: than Kendrick I. Kendrick Born to me is like just

679
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: he's a matchup guy. I think he can do everything.

680
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I think he can play the X, I think he

681
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: can play slot. You know, just have him available to

682
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: pick on matchups. That they did that with him last

683
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: year talking about twenty twenty one, they did that with

684
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty one. I thought that, like his

685
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: assignments from week to week always changed and they just

686
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: kind of put him in spots to succeed and they'd

687
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: figure out the guy they wanted to pick on, and

688
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: they picked on him. That to me, is the best

689
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: use of Kendrick Borne because he's so versatile. You have

690
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. Find the burner in the

691
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: slot right like that, I'm with you on that one.

692
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: Whether you said Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison. You know, I'm

693
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: a big Tank Dell guy. I think you might be

694
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: a bigger Tank Dell guy than me. I thank you

695
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: to watch him, but I had some people that I

696
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: talked to some people about Tank Dell and he's like

697
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty pounds. Yeah, but that's one of

698
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: those things where like you get him in Tanke Dells

699
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: from Houston for people that that don't know's Houston slot receiver.

700
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: He also took over from Marcus Jones on returns at Houston,

701
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: so he's got some explosions. Marcus Jones was only like

702
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: one seventy when he came in. He's up to you

703
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: get these guys the wait thing at whatever it says,

704
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: add fifteen pounds because you get him in an NFL way,

705
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't even think it's just the frame.

706
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that stood out from Houston.

707
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: They were very particular of where they aligned him up

708
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: and they kind of had to um cater the offense

709
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: to his alignment right, making sure that he could get

710
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: off the line of scremmage and avoid certain what we're

711
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: talking about a guy you're gonna you're not putting him

712
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: outside to play press man if you draft him, right,

713
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: so you know I'm I'm third to fourth round, Okay, Yeah,

714
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: I just I think that that's a really important position

715
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: in this offense. Regardless of where Bill O'Brien has really been,

716
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: it's been in a point that they've emphasized, besides maybe

717
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Houston because of Hopkins right right, Other than there, I

718
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: think everywhere else he's gone, the slot has been a

719
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: high volume role, just like it's been here for two decades.

720
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: So I think it's an important spot on I need

721
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: a stall to pull this up, but I think I mean,

722
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: you go back to when he was at Penn State,

723
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: which was twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, maybe his best

724
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: work that wasn't that Alan Robinson? Alan Robinson might have

725
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: been on those teams. Yeah, like they weren't. I'm trying

726
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: to remember who the slot receiver was there, and Alan

727
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: Robinson was a slot. I mean, he's a big slot.

728
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: Were they running him out of the slot there? Kids?

729
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Alan Robinson did in the perpet

730
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: It's seventy seven catches. Nobody else had more than thirty six.

731
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: I was in twenty twelve slot. Yeah, Okay, all right,

732
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: last thing, and then we can take some of these calls.

733
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: The other thing that was super refreshing from watching some

734
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: of my old O'Brien coaching Cliff cutups and things like that,

735
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: was listening to him talk about protections and I don't

736
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna nerd out here for a second on protections,

737
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: but it's kind of hard to talk about it without

738
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: like I need like a white board or something really

739
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: to get into it. But they run a lot of empty.

740
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Writer Bill Brian likes to run a lot of empty,

741
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: and he would talk about how he gave Brady protection

742
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: answers to cover zero out of empty or just man

743
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: blitz out of empty in general, because if you're an empty,

744
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: you have to have like you have to know that

745
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: the defense might try to overload you right right, and

746
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: you have to have answers to that. So what the

747
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Patriots would do most of the time is they would

748
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: put guys on dual reads, which means that usually it's

749
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: it's inside outread right, and they'll say, okay, you know

750
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: you got three out. You know there's three blockers and

751
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: there's four guys standing over you. So one guy's duel, right,

752
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: so you have two guys, and if they are, if

753
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: it's three rushing, we're three on three to that side,

754
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: we should pick this up, okay. So then what he

755
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: would would would say would be, you know, Brady would

756
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: point and he'd make a mic point and then he'd

757
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: point and he'd say, if that guy comes, then I'm hot,

758
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: right like you know, if four come now, I'm hot.

759
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: If one comes from this direction, I'm hot. If two

760
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: come from that direction, I'm hot. And that would not

761
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: only tell the offensive line who they were supposed to

762
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: be blocking, the receivers would also be aware of what

763
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: the call is right from a defensive perspective. This was

764
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: something that the Patriots last year looked like they had

765
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: no clue. What they were doing when it came to

766
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: protections was not just we're four over three, how are

767
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: we picking this up? But also who's hot and which

768
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: receivers adjusting his route in case there is pressure coming.

769
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: These are the little things that just didn't seem to

770
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: get through to the Patriots. What I don't think they

771
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: completely ignored it, because I have too much respect for

772
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: NFL coaches to think that they just didn't even talk

773
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: about it in the meeting rooms and things like that,

774
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: but they just didn't execute it on the field, and

775
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't just free runners and like we didn't pick

776
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: up you know, the protection properly. It was is also

777
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: that the receivers weren't aware of Okay, if this guy comes,

778
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: now we're hot or not. We don't have enough blockers

779
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: to pick everybody up. That's what I mean by hot.

780
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: So we have to throw the ball. And so mac

781
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: Jones is standing there in the pocket. They bring four

782
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: to their three. He's hot, and he's got three vertical

783
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: routes going up the field and he's just like looking around,

784
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's toast. He's sitting up. How many times

785
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: did that happen on third down this year? Just so

786
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: I'll editorialize that just for everybody, for everybody else, because

787
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: you went into what so hot receiver or the quarterback

788
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: being hot or throwing hot refers to just the quarterback

789
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: being exceptionally attractive. Now, so basically with that m goop,

790
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: what that means is if there's a blitz coming that

791
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: you know you can't block. Like Evan's talking about the numbers,

792
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: they're right, four on three, three on two. There's a

793
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: receiver who as an assignment that if the quarterback calls

794
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that out that that blitz is coming, he scraps whatever

795
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: his route is and basically just turns and looks for

796
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: the football because the ball's coming out immediately. To beat

797
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: the blitz, normally you're throwing into the blitz, like I

798
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: would say, the hot receivers normally designed to throw into

799
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: the blitz. Yes, that's what that means. And it is

800
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: something the Patriots struggled with. And this is something I've

801
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: talked about. You know, these are nuances that you pick

802
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: up being in offensive game plan meetings, offensive rooms of

803
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: that for years and years and years. This is why

804
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: when we talk about, you know, Matt Patricia wasn't the

805
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: guy for the job, this is why, because that's not

806
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: something as a defensive coach you're thinking about. They had

807
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: no pre snap plan, so they would get to the

808
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage they would call So the Patriots. I

809
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: don't know if it's still this way, because who the

810
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: heck knows what terminology they were using last year. For

811
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: the most part, the Patriots protections are numbers in the seventies. Okay,

812
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: So they'll get to the line of scrimmage and they'll say,

813
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, seventy four hassex follow right, Like, that's a

814
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: play call. Seventy four is the protection? Okay, so seventy

815
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: four could you know, it could be anything, right, but

816
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: that's a protection five man protection, five man plus the

817
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: back six man protection whatever. It could be anything. So

818
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: they would get to the line of scrimmage, they would

819
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: call that play in the huddle, and that would be

820
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the protection for the play, and they wouldn't adjust. They

821
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't change it, right, They wouldn't get to the line

822
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and say, well, something's going on over here.

823
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: This guy's giving me a blitz. Tell this guy is

824
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, capped, which means that there's a defender behind him,

825
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: which usually means that there might be pressure coming from

826
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: that area of the field there. They wouldn't adjust, and

827
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: they would just run the play the way that it

828
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: was called in the huddle. And having a coach that's

829
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: going to say, Okay, this is what we're doing out

830
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: of this play. If it's too high, this is what

831
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: we're doing. If it's post safety, this is what we're doing.

832
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: If it's if it's blitz zero like. Those are the

833
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: types of conversations you have to have as an offense, right,

834
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: especially for it to run well against Blitz. And if

835
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: you don't have those types of conversations, you don't have

836
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: everybody on the same page, and you don't have that

837
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: understanding as an offense. That's what happens in what we

838
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: saw all last year, which is Mac running for his life,

839
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: no receiver anywhere near them, to try to throw the

840
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: football too, and usually a sack. Right. And now I

841
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: think that they have a quach that's going to get

842
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: in there and say, here's a cut up of us

843
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: running this play against six different defensive looks, right, and

844
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do against all these different

845
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: defensive looks. That's gonna be refreshing for those guys that

846
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: they have that type of just that that type of

847
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: knowledge like that someone that has that a bit of

848
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: that foresight, yeah, that preparation. So I'm really excited about

849
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: it from a mental standpoint. I think it's just going

850
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: to be so much cleaner to have everybody on the

851
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: same page, to have answers to the test. Like you

852
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: hear guys like Orlovsky talks about this a lot with

853
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense on ESPN. What answers does the quarterback

854
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: have to what the defense is showing it, what tools

855
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: are at his disposal to then say something. You know,

856
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: they're they're showing pressure over here. I need to slide

857
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: the protection. I need to make a new mic point.

858
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I need to tell this guy over here that he's hot.

859
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: If these two guys come, if this guy comes over here,

860
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: then that guy's the hot, Like I does he have

861
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: that kind of just brevet like? Does he have that right?

862
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: He should now? He should now? And I think that

863
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: that alone is really going to help this offensive toime.

864
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's take some of these calls and then

865
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: we'll get into kind of spinning this forward as well. Christian,

866
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: thanks for hanging on. Sorry to keep you on hold

867
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: for so long. No, man, you know I love the

868
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: deep die that you guys do on this show as

869
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: opposed to just regular you know, pat unfiltered. Um, thank you.

870
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: Question yeah, hey man, A question for you guys. Um,

871
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: what year was Bill O'Brien coordinator for the Patriots that

872
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: they won a Super Bowl? That they won a Super Bowl?

873
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: He's saying that Bill brian didn't win a Super Bowl,

874
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: So what's too excited? That's true, he didn't win a

875
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: Super bowl right. So second secondly, I kind of find

876
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: it hard to believe. And you guys say like, oh,

877
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: we'll probably have a have a coach that will uh,

878
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to pre snap protective. To me,

879
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: it seems unfathomable that Bill wouldn't have, again having ultimate oversight,

880
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: saying something like, oh, do we have any pre snap

881
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: um protection options? To me, it would seem weird that

882
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: everything that that that Bill overlooking overseas, he wouldn't have

883
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: asked that very fundamental, simple question and they wouldn't have

884
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: addressed that. So I don't know that they didn't have

885
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: those things in place. It proserly is the execution of

886
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: it or Matt Jones is uh sort of you know,

887
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: recognition recognition that he needed to change to it, just

888
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: the pre snap that might be more more in order.

889
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: It just wasn't existence probably have someone that can do it.

890
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: And then lastly, I really do see t Quan Thornton

891
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: if Bill O'Brien really can put his infront on it

892
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: developing into like a long like a like a Randy

893
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: Moss threat. He has fastest speeds there than Randy, so

894
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: being that quick kill you by cuts offense. Then putting

895
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: something over the top. He's really really, really like something

896
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: that we should be able to implement. Um, I'll take

897
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: him a bear. Yeah, No, I definitely think for the

898
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: call Crishian, I definitely think that Tae Kwon is much

899
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: better student. They're all better suits. Yeah, in this offense.

900
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: And before I can, we just talked about how that

901
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: call started with Bill O'Brien's not a good hire because

902
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: he didn't win a Super Bowl, but he's gonna turn

903
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton into Randy Moss. That's true. I mean that's

904
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: a real quick on the super Bowl thing. Yeah, he

905
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator, not the head coach. That twenty

906
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: eleven offense one of the best. Yeah, the defense was

907
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: not any of those years were that defense was old.

908
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, they were losing pieces left and right. They

909
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: didn't have that number one corner. It's that window after

910
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Sante Samuel left, before they got to keep to leave,

911
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: where they were trying to mix and match with all

912
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: these like you know, late round cast off corners. I

913
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: wasn't Julian Edelman playing corner. Julian Edelman played corner one

914
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: of those years. But I'm talking about when you had

915
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: guys like like Antoine molding out there, right, Sergio Brown,

916
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't put them not winning a super Bowl in

917
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: that era on O'Brien. If they had won a super

918
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: Bowl in that era, O'Brien like takes it to another level. Yeah,

919
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: that that offense was excellent. It's and to this day

920
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a um what's it called. The argument's

921
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: just weird because he was in charge of the offense

922
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: and the offense was excellent. It was super Bowl caliber.

923
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Right to this day, I will go to the grave

924
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: saying that they win the Super Bowl in twenty eleven

925
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: if Cronk is one, yeah, they win. I mean, I'm sorry.

926
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: He was playing on a high ankle sprain two weeks

927
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: out from suffering high ankle sprain in the AFC Championship

928
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: game and he could barely move. So he went from

929
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: the most dominant player in football that year do like

930
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: a shell of himself because of the injury. I still

931
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: think they win that game if Cronk is one hundred percent,

932
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: But that's they That they got to the super Bowl

933
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: with that defense is actually a testament to Bill O'Brien. Yeah,

934
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: at the time, I don't know if it still is.

935
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: But at the time, that was statistically the worst defense

936
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: to ever be in a Super Bowl. Yeah, they were

937
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: thirty second in the league I think in total yards allowed.

938
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: So they were historically bad on defense for that time period.

939
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: I think it. Right now we have defenses that give

940
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: up you know, six thousand yards change. Yeah, but yes. Anyways,

941
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: the other thing that he said about the protections, I'm

942
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: not saying that they didn't try to implement those types

943
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: of things. I will say I know for one hundred

944
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: percent fact that they watered down the protection system. So

945
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: it was the adjustments were I can't speak one hundred

946
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: percent to the adjustments at the line of scrimmage, but

947
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that they tried to strip

948
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: the protection system as some of the things I was

949
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: talking about, like the dual reads, so that one hundred

950
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: ten percent happened. There were guys in that locker room.

951
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: I know others have reported about this, like Greg Bdard

952
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: and things like that on your station, Alex that felt

953
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: like if they had had the old protection system that

954
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: they would have picked up more of the blitz. Is

955
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: that they didn't this year, right in some of the adjustments.

956
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say is that it's

957
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: not he mentioned execution. Coaching isn't just about drawing the

958
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: excess and nose up on the white board. It's also

959
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: teaching it, yeah, and getting it through to the players

960
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: and being able to implement the types of things that

961
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: they're trying to do. So no matter where you fall

962
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: in that category, whether it was strictly execution by the

963
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: players or the system being watered down, the bottom line

964
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: is is that the protection was significantly worse than it's

965
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: ever really been, right, So, and it wasn't just guys

966
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: losing one on one matchups all the time where they

967
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: just need better players. They do need some better tackles,

968
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: but a lot of it was also recognition and pick

969
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: up right and just getting a hat on a hat.

970
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: So that comes down to plan and pre snap and coaching, right,

971
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: That's what that comes down to. So no matter where

972
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: you put it in the yeah, I think we're good.

973
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I think it's just our headphones. No matter where you

974
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: put it in the blame pie like where you blame,

975
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: the point is it wasn't good enough, right, And O'Brien

976
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: comes in and I think he makes it better. That's

977
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: all all right, Ben and Maryland. What's up, Ben? Hey guys,

978
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm at school, so I gotta be quick. But um,

979
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of that, you know, watching Bam

980
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the film past from a guying coaching clinic, and I

981
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: was so excited to come on here and tell you

982
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: guys everything I found out, but you already touched on

983
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: most of it. But I just want to run down

984
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: that list and sea can guys can tell me fun

985
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: to that? Sure? I said, Bana has a lot of

986
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: pastap motion and a lot of moving around which helps

987
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: confuse defenses. And you guys touched him at But they

988
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: also run the same formation. It looks like a lot

989
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: but a different plays each time, so I thought that

990
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 1: was unique. Um, lots of empty formation, but it looks

991
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: like they build the offense around the running back. And

992
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I said, could that be another big year for Stevenson? Uh?

993
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: You know? V signed Harris? I don't know. And then

994
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots ran a lot of lpios but there's no

995
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: nothing with the lpios. It was like there's no plants,

996
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: there's no team switch it on Smith. So I was

997
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: just wondering if that would change it yet. Yeah, yeah,

998
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: good job, And I absolutely love that calling from school

999
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: during school. Yeah, that's such a you and I moved out.

1000
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: So when I was in college, and I look, I

1001
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: have my parents listened to the show sometimes and I

1002
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: think my dad's gonna kill me for saying this. But

1003
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: when I was in college, I used to watch game

1004
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: film during class. I had a tablet and I'd go

1005
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: and I'd come with the tablet and had Game Pass

1006
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: downloaded on the tablet and I would just watch, you know.

1007
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: People asked me, like, how did I learned liked the

1008
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: XS and nose. I would watch all thirteen games from

1009
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: the whole week in college and I would just watch

1010
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: it and over and over and over again. And although

1011
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know necessarily what I know now, it helped

1012
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: the game slow down to absorb it right, and the

1013
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: games slowed down and got and it wasn't moving as

1014
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: quickly anymore for me after a while. And that's when

1015
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: I really was able to start to break it all down.

1016
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: So I love that that that's a total US move,

1017
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: is to be at school and watching it. Yeah, no

1018
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: Patriots an Alabama tape instead of doing what you're supposed

1019
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: to be doing. I used to um me and me

1020
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: and a buddy of mine we had a couple of

1021
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: classes together. We would we had a notebook we'd passed

1022
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: back and forth, and or we had two, right, so

1023
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I would draw like an offensive play, like I design one,

1024
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: and then he'd designed a defensive plays like during class,

1025
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: and then we'd pass them back and forth, being all right,

1026
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: who's designed one, and then you know, I'd switch and

1027
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: I'd be the defense and stuff like that. So yeah,

1028
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: the reason we both went to Ithaca. Look, stay in school,

1029
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: stay in school, but stay in school. We got degrees.

1030
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: It was important, all right, we both went to Ithaca.

1031
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: But the reason why my parents were really big on

1032
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: sending me to a smaller school is because they knew

1033
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: I would f off during class if I was in

1034
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: one of those big like lecture halls. And still I

1035
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: somehow figured out. Oh yeah, anyways, so there's one thing

1036
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: that he mentioned, one of the first things that he

1037
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: mentioned that we hadn't fully touched on, And of course

1038
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: we went on that whole spiel and now I forget what, right,

1039
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: we were just patting ourselves on the back from being

1040
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: football fans. It was a good point too, oh yeah,

1041
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: that they'll run similar looks or similar formations with all

1042
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: these different looks. That's going back to uh aera, Perkins. Yeah,

1043
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: not just like the core of the Patriots Offen. Yeah,

1044
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: great point. So I posted something on Twitter last week

1045
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: about Alabama running three different plays out of the same

1046
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: look or the same formation. They used the same motion

1047
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: and they ran the same exact formation and the play

1048
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: played out three separate ways. This was the one with Oots,

1049
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: right with Oots, my guy Boots. The other thing that

1050
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: I saw them do a ton which I just can't

1051
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: tell you. I just didn't see a ton of from

1052
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots last year. Saw it a lot in twenty

1053
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: one and a lot in general, obviously with Brady Is

1054
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: they would run the same play out of different formation.

1055
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: That's the same play, but they get to the same

1056
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: and they'd hit it like six different ways. Yeah, the

1057
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: Patriots didn't do that right like the Patriots last year.

1058
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: If they ran daggered, they hit dagger one way like

1059
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: it was right right now with O'Brien and with Bryce

1060
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: Young last year at Alabama, like they you can watch

1061
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: them run like like let's take a match right the

1062
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: cross underneath crossers with either the dig or a wheel,

1063
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: and they would hit it all three ways. They'd hit

1064
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: it to all three different receivers, like that type of diversity,

1065
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: but also that the simplicity of it, the fact that

1066
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: it's still the same play, but we can hit it

1067
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: three different ways. That is the type of stuff that

1068
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: puts defenses in absolute blenders, right, Like they okay, here

1069
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: comes the motion and last time they motioned, they threw

1070
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: a screen to the receiver. This time they motioned and

1071
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: they threw a fake screen. Right, they bluff screen, and

1072
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: then they run the guys up the field. Like. That

1073
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: type of stuff is so makes it so much harder

1074
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: to defend. And I think from a play calling perspective too,

1075
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that we always griped on

1076
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: with Patricia was that there was no sequencing to the plays, right,

1077
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Like the last play was not married up to the

1078
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: play before, and it was not married up to a

1079
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: play They ran in the first quarter like they were

1080
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: just grabbing plays out of a hat, right, Like, right, okay,

1081
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: this play, we're first down, we're gonna run this. Then

1082
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: second down, we're gonna forget about that. We're gonna run this, right,

1083
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: and like they just were all over the place O'Brien's offense.

1084
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: It builds up to stuff it makes sense. It connects

1085
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: right where they ran this play in the first quarter.

1086
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: Now it's fourth quarter, tie game against Tennessee. They need

1087
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: to drive. We're gonna run this play that looks like

1088
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: the play we ran in the first quarter, but it's

1089
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: actually something different, right, And those are the types of

1090
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: things that I think it experienced and not just experienced

1091
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: offensive coach, but an experienced play caller. And that was

1092
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: why it was so important to me when they made

1093
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: this higher that they got somebody that had called plays before,

1094
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: because I think you really see the difference in that

1095
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: type of thing, that type of foresight to be able

1096
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: to steal something you ran in the first quarter then

1097
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: run it again in the fourth quarter, but have it

1098
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: be different. Like are the types of things that you

1099
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: get from calling plays in NFL and college games over

1100
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: long periods of time, Like you don't just wake up

1101
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: with that skill. And I think we saw that last

1102
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: year come to fruition. I think a lot of coaches

1103
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: struggle with that and early on in their play calling.

1104
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: I think it's something that Ken Dorsey and Buffalo has

1105
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: struggled with in his first season as the play caller.

1106
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: Is having everything merry up together it's a it's a

1107
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: good point by Ben. I'm glady he brought that up.

1108
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: All right, John and Newton? What's up? John? Johnny? There

1109
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: going once? John? All right, you can call back in

1110
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: John and we'll get you on the air. Aaron, what's

1111
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: going on? Hey? How you guys doing good? All right? So, um,

1112
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: what I'm looking forward to. I'm not gonna lie. I'm

1113
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: not big on the Bill O'Brien thing, but I am

1114
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: warming up to it. I'm just happy that we actually

1115
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: have anough coordinator. But I did see the difference just

1116
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: this year in Maxum, like the more confident he felt

1117
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: in a play or more confident he felt. I've seen

1118
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: him get the ball out better, you know what I mean.

1119
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: He's just his overall play was dependent to me, in

1120
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: my eyes, at least on his comfortability. And I feel

1121
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: like Bill o'bryan's gonna bring him a lot more comfort

1122
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: as far as like you guys said a lot breating

1123
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: on him getting to play and be like, okay, the

1124
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: defense is in the tea up on it because it's

1125
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: a little bit different, you know what I mean. I

1126
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: just feel like he's gonna be a lot more comfortable. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1127
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: thanks for the caller, And I think that's probably the biggest,

1128
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: like big picture thing right now. We get it into

1129
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: all the all the nitty gritty as we do, but

1130
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: the biggest big picture thing is the comfort of the

1131
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: quarterback and just the comfort of everybody on offense to

1132
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: really understand, like, this is what we're doing here right right,

1133
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: and this is what we're doing if this the defense

1134
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: does this, this is what we're doing right. I get

1135
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I think it's really important. All right, Eldred,

1136
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: give it to me. Eldred, what's your take? He yeah,

1137
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I would say you haven't. Are you doing good? Question? Um,

1138
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad Bill, Bill, Brian, do you come back? But

1139
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: my question is we'd offen going to fuck lash you

1140
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: how long you think it would take to see a turnaround?

1141
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: I know we're expect him right off the bat, you know,

1142
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: even a preseason and OTAs and all that realistic, what

1143
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: do you expect to see a turnaround? Yeah, it's a

1144
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: good question. All thanks for the call. I think that

1145
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: there will be some immediacy to the functionality of the offense,

1146
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: right Like, I think the offense is going to look

1147
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: cleaner right off the bat. The personnel stuff that we've discussed.

1148
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: I think is a bigger question in terms of how

1149
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: good this could actually be. And that's how I wrote

1150
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: today when I wrote my big piece on this, the

1151
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: floor of the offense is now significantly higher. Right, you

1152
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: know that you're going to have a functional, professional baseline.

1153
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: The question is how high is that ceiling? And that

1154
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: gets more into I would say, the personnel decisions that

1155
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: they make in the right You know, it's it's too

1156
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: early to say, hey, how you know how much is

1157
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: this going to improve the offense? So we don't know

1158
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: what the offense is gonna look like. Are they gonna

1159
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: have a guy like Jerry Judy or they gonna have

1160
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: say Flowers? What are they doing it? Tackle? Right? You know?

1161
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: How much can they fix max mechanics of what was

1162
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: broken in twenty twenty two. I know, hiring Bill O'Brien

1163
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: feels like the end of a process for a lot

1164
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: of people, and in a sense it is. It's also

1165
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: the beginning of a process because now like he doesn't

1166
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: walk in, snap his fingers and everything's fixed, Like, there's

1167
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and that's not a

1168
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien thing. Whoever got the job, is gonna have

1169
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: to do a lot of work. You know, how much

1170
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: can they get it done? This is why there's those

1171
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: reports that Adrian Clem is going to have a second interview.

1172
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Getting a real offensive line coach in here, you hopefully

1173
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: get a more cohesive group up front. That's gonna go

1174
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: a long way. That's I'm not saying Bill O'Brien can't

1175
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: or won't play a part in that. But Bill O'Brien's

1176
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: not doing everything. He's gonna delegate things. You got to

1177
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: figure out who's gonna be there, and then of course

1178
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: who are the players. What are they going build this

1179
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: thing around. We talked a lot about who's going to

1180
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: be in the slot and things like that. This is

1181
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: a massive step in the right direction, but we're hardly

1182
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: done with the whole conversation about how did the Patriots

1183
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: fix their offense? This is probably the biggest box that

1184
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: they had to check, But I mean it's only box one.

1185
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: This one had to be first right now, So okay,

1186
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: hiring assistant coaches and like an offensive line coach probably

1187
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: has to be second. But the order of operations is

1188
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of open from here. Yeah, you're gonna draft Attackle,

1189
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna sign Attackle, You're gonna draft receiver, You're gonna

1190
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: trade for a receiver. Right, that's sort of thing page

1191
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: Kobe Myers. That's all. You can go in any number

1192
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: of different directions, but the first thing had to be

1193
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: you had to bring in the guy with the vision

1194
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: of what this whole thing's gonna look like. And nothing

1195
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: could happen, really, not even some of the defensive stuff.

1196
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't think any of it could happen until they

1197
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: brought in the offensive coordinator. Yeah, so this is now

1198
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: we're off. Here we go. Let's we're often running on

1199
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: the office of season right where we have a real

1200
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a real self defense. So here's my

1201
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: other take on that. When you say a real off season,

1202
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: like a Patriots off season, I've thrown out a lot

1203
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: of things on this show on other shows, and people

1204
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: are like, well, how realistic is that? And Chris Gasper

1205
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: was on felgern Maz last Friday and he said some stuff.

1206
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: He did say some stuff, but at the at the

1207
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: end of that conversation he did he said something really

1208
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: interesting that sort of sparked my mind. Felger asked him,

1209
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, is any of this you're talking about realistic

1210
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: or is this them? He said, Is any of what

1211
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about them? Yeah, I'm talking about like the Patriots,

1212
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: the typical Patriots. And Gasper said, well, is any of

1213
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: this in terms of what they've done so far this

1214
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: off season? And the statement, you know, not traditionally something

1215
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: they would do. I think the kind of candidates they

1216
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: were looking at for the offensive coordinator job a bit

1217
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: out of the picture. The whole handling of the droid

1218
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: male situation, and it reminded me Evan of when we

1219
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: first started doing our first podcast. Yeah, and around the

1220
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: time we started, it was around this time of year,

1221
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: there were those reports from like Tom Kerran and Mike

1222
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: Reese uncharacteristically aggressive. Do you remember that I hammered that

1223
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: home that spring? That's exactly what happened. So we haven't

1224
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: gotten like an uncharacteristically aggressive report yet, but I did

1225
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: from the way they've operated so far. And if you remember,

1226
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: early that offseason, builded an interview with I think it

1227
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: was Shaughnessy. Yeah, that was like Bill's talking to Shaunessy

1228
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: in the off season, what is this? And it kind

1229
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: of kicked that whole thing off that, like, it's set

1230
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: the tone that this is going to be different. I

1231
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: am getting some uncharacteristically aggressive vibes, right, and they do.

1232
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: And look when the twenty twenty one off season, you

1233
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: can nip pick here and there and for every Matthew

1234
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: jude On, there's a Nelsonagler, right, but it made him

1235
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: a better football overall. That off season was a net positive. Yeah,

1236
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: they are starting where they started from that year, and

1237
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: this is coming off the Cam Newton season they are

1238
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: starting for I'm a much higher point right now. If

1239
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: they were to have a comparable off season, I don't

1240
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: mean the same players, but the same money. I don't

1241
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: they they're going to throw money around like, but the

1242
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: same aggressiveness. Well they do. They are gonna have like

1243
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: top ten cap space in the league. Ye know, I'm right.

1244
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: I was like three hundred million dollars spent in free agency.

1245
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going there. But relatively, the circumstances

1246
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: were different financially coming off the pandemic. I'm saying relatively

1247
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: speaking to the rest of the league. If they have

1248
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: another off season like that, they're in really good shape. Yeah,

1249
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're in really good shape. So I just

1250
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm throwing it out there. I have

1251
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: sort of that same We don't have the report, but

1252
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: don't don't some of the vibes feel similar to the

1253
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: uncharacteristically aggressive, although you're probably dreading having to hear me

1254
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: say that twenty times a show. And I love the

1255
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien higher. It is gushed about it for an hour.

1256
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: So I'm certainly not against the Bill O'Brien hired by

1257
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: any means, but them bringing back Bill O'Brien it feels

1258
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: like vintage them, right like, so I think that they're

1259
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: the way in which they did it. It's a little different.

1260
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: It's a little different, all right. Spitting it forward now

1261
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: a little bit on the coaching staff, Like you mentioned

1262
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem's name, There are reports out there that Adrian

1263
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: Clem is coming back for a second interview, and that

1264
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: seemingly is to have a top assistant role on Bill

1265
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: O'Brien's staff. Right, Braden's the offensive coordinator, we know that,

1266
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: so Adrian Clem maybe offensive line coach, which is probably

1267
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: the second biggest spot on your coaching staff besides coordinator.

1268
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: And then I would also mention run game coordinator as

1269
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: a possibility. That's a title he has currently at Oregon.

1270
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I look at I

1271
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: look at with O'Brien that I'm not saying he can't

1272
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: do it, Just like I said earlier about something else

1273
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember under center, I'm not saying that he

1274
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: can't do these things. But since he went to Houston,

1275
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: he has had a mobile quarterback. He's at Deshaun Watson

1276
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and he's at Bryce Young, so he's going back into

1277
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: station quarterback world. Yeah, and at Alabama it is really

1278
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: difficult to find a run without an option attached for

1279
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Right when you have Bryce Young, you're always

1280
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: going to try to use his legs as an influence.

1281
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: Did you watch like after he got hurt, It felt

1282
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: like they were hesitant to run him. Maybe he was

1283
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: hesitant on the options? Were there like ninety and nine

1284
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: percent of their runs at least had him holding the

1285
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: backside with the threat of him keeping the football. Whether

1286
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: he actually kept it was probably few and far between,

1287
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: but just having that backside poll of you know, I

1288
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: can't crash down because Bryce Young could take off over

1289
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Is you're crashing down right? Yeah, you're not

1290
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: worried about that, So how are they going to scheme

1291
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: it up in the run game? I think is interesting.

1292
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't think O'Brien is really a big run game guy.

1293
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, like I the twenty eleven Patriots offense was

1294
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, they were past like seventy offense, right,

1295
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: So they don't. I don't know how much of it

1296
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: he really emphasizes. But I think with this quarterback, with

1297
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: the strengths that they have and Teri the line with

1298
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson coming back, this team wants to run the

1299
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: ball a little bit. And so I wonder if a

1300
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: guy like Clem comes in oh line coach slash run

1301
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: game coordinator. Maybe he doesn't get the run game coordinator

1302
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: title at first, but he's a big part of the

1303
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: run game. That's gonna be a big thing. What are

1304
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Clem. I know a lot of people

1305
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: aren't really that familiar with him, and they've heard some

1306
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: horror stories about him from Pittsburgh, which aren't great, to

1307
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: be fair, But I don't know how much we want

1308
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: to hold out against them. Yeah. My big thing I

1309
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: like with him, and first off, I think he would

1310
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: contribute in a running game. You need a real offensive

1311
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: line coach. Their first round pick really does need to

1312
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: be an offensive tackle, and you can't have another year

1313
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen where you invest a first round pick

1314
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: up player and then don't have a real position coach.

1315
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah for talking about Harry and Joe Joe Judge. Yeah,

1316
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: I think I might have said Nickossario last week. I

1317
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: apologize for that, but um sorry, yeah, not his fault. Yeah, okay, Um, anyway,

1318
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: I think so, I think Clem contributes there, So that's

1319
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: a big one. The other big box for me, and

1320
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: this could be Clem, this could be and we haven't

1321
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: heard anything more about Jefferson and McCardell, but bringing a

1322
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: guy like that as a passing game coordinator. A big

1323
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: part of the reason the Patriots are in this spot,

1324
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: right is when they went from Josh McDaniels, there was

1325
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: no smooth transition. There was no obvious guy they maintain

1326
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: Nick Kaylee. They maybe had a chance to have a

1327
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: smooth transition, but they didn't. Yeah, and obviously now there's

1328
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: no smooth transition, right if you have a guy like

1329
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: Adrian Clem, who is with Bill O'Brien regularly, right, is

1330
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: involved in the in the design of the offense, is

1331
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: involved in the calling of the plays. When Bill O'Brien leaves,

1332
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think Bill O'Brien's here to reset his stock

1333
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: and go get a head coaching job. When Bill O'Brien leaves,

1334
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: you have the next guy, like, it won't be a question, right,

1335
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: it will be all right Adrian Clem's bit because run

1336
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: game coordinator, pass game coordinator. Essentially, what that means is

1337
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: dumbing it down a little bit, but essentially what that

1338
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: means as assistant offensive coordinator. Yeah right, there's no all right, Well,

1339
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to do the interview process and what

1340
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: about this guy? What about that guy? Nope, Adrian Clem,

1341
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: you're up right, and I think having that smooth transition,

1342
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: especially if Mac is still the quarterback. You're already on

1343
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: three l season three years. I'm not saying Bill o'brand's

1344
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: gonna be one and done, but that kind of continuity

1345
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: for everybody would be nice. So that there's the run

1346
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: game element of it, and I like Clem for that

1347
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: Oregon ran the ball. I also liked that he was

1348
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: in an environment that reinvigorated a quarterback everybody thought was

1349
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: done in bow Knicks. I mean bow Knicks. He should

1350
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: have never transferred from Auburn. And what I mean by

1351
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: that is his dad played there. His dad and won

1352
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: a national championship there. He was one of the highest

1353
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: recruits they'd ever gotten. He was supposed to be Auburn's

1354
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: success story. And for a guy like that, with that background,

1355
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: with that storyline, to transfer is just a suggestion of

1356
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: a massive failure. Now that's on multiple people's parts, but

1357
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: people were writing him off. He goes to Oregon and

1358
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Adrian Clem is the reason that he

1359
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,839
Speaker 1: turned it around. And bow Nicks was a Heisman finalist

1360
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: this year. But he was in a room, he was

1361
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: with coaches. He kind of went through that process of

1362
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: reinvigorating the quarterback. It's not exactly he's an associate head coach, right,

1363
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: there's a line associate head coach and run game. It's

1364
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: not quite apples to apples, but it's not all right,

1365
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: It's not apples to oranges. It's like Granny Smith apples

1366
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: to like golden delicious apples. Right. There is some carry

1367
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: over there, So there's there's a there's a lot to

1368
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,919
Speaker 1: like there with Clem. There is the stuff from Pittsburgh.

1369
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about, Like I wasn't in the room,

1370
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to speak on it.

1371
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: But between you need a real offensive line coach to

1372
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: improve the offensive line. You have a clear next guy

1373
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: if Bill O'Brien leaves and you get a guy who

1374
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: indirectly has kind of been a part of a big

1375
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: time quarterback success story. Yeah, checks a bunch of back

1376
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: is for me. The biggest thing to me is the

1377
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 1: offensive line coach part of it, because yeah, but you

1378
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: covered all that so well. There's a lot of the

1379
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: protection stuff that I went over. But it's also I

1380
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: would say, just last year, they had a lot of

1381
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: trouble just on game day with delegation of what two's doing.

1382
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: What Remember the beginning of the year, Patricia was trying

1383
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: to pull double duty. He was trying to coach the

1384
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: offensive line and call plays and coach up Mac and

1385
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: all of this. And then they bring Billy Yates from

1386
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: upstairs downstairs and he's a little bit more involved on

1387
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: the sideline. I knows doing it well. So I know

1388
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: for a fact that David Andrews and James Farren's both

1389
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: had to pitch it a lot on in terms of

1390
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: coaching up the line. You know, I had the tablet

1391
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of the huddle on the bench, and

1392
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: like there's so many NFL films cuts of Dante like

1393
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the offensive line, like screaming out

1394
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: crap at them, like you know they did this last time,

1395
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: and they're gonna like this type of stuff right right,

1396
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: and like they just didn't have that. And I want

1397
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,440
Speaker 1: one offensive line coach. I want Billy with the quarterback.

1398
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: I want the offensive line coach with the offensive line,

1399
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: and I want Adrian Clem or whoever it ends up being.

1400
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: It certainly looks like it's gonna be Adrian Clem. I

1401
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: want Adrian Clem working with Cole Strange, working with the

1402
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: first round taps a huge part. Development is huge on

1403
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: it as well. It's going to use probably back to

1404
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: back first round picks on offensive lineman. You should have

1405
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: a good offensive line coach. It felt like last year

1406
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: that they were playing a game a telephone where things

1407
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: had to go through so many different sets of eyes

1408
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: and ears that by the time it actually got out

1409
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: onto the field, who the heck knows what the messaging was,

1410
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: right Like it was it you know, what Matt Patricia

1411
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: told us, or was it what Billy Yates told us,

1412
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: or was it you know, David Andrews telling us or whatever.

1413
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: Now you have one guy doing this, you have one

1414
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: guy doing that. I think this speaks to just in

1415
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: general as well the coaching staff. I do think that

1416
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: we're going to get actual titles of these guys, right.

1417
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think we're gonna have concrete Bill Brian's

1418
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, Clems on offensive line, and like it's

1419
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna be very crystal clear what everybody's doing. Yeah, and

1420
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Not it's not. You know, I

1421
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: don't care about us, like I don't care that we

1422
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know. What's important is that the players well

1423
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: have me. This is like the defense in twenty twenty one,

1424
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: right where we didn't know the like how we didn't

1425
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: know what the corporate flow chart looked like, but it

1426
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: was pretty clear that inside the building they did. And

1427
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: I stressed this all the time, just because we don't know,

1428
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: as long as they know, and they being the players

1429
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: and the everybody right, players in the coaching staff, as

1430
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: long as they know. Yeah, it's annoying that we don't know,

1431
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make them any worse of a team, right,

1432
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: And with the defensive staff, there was a lot of well,

1433
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's no defining titles, but I always kind

1434
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: of defended it. Well, it seems like they know within

1435
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: the building, and that's good enough for me. Yeah, And

1436
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: then with the offense this year, I kind of started

1437
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: out on that we'll look how it worked on the defense,

1438
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: and they clearly know in the building that got away

1439
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: from quick. I don't think there was a clear line

1440
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: of command by the end of the year. And yeah,

1441
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: like you're saying, I think just clarifying that this year

1442
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: would be big. All Right, we're gonna wrap it up

1443
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: on the Shrine Bowl. I'll give you. I'll give you

1444
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: fifteen ten, fifteen minutes here Alex to get your Shrine

1445
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: Bowl takes out before we head to Vegas. Bright and

1446
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: early tomorrow morning. Yep, you're gonna sleep here. I might

1447
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: sleep here now, I'm just kidding. I would Bright and

1448
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: early tomorrow morning, Alex and I will be out on

1449
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: the flight to Vegas for the Shrine Bowl. Very excited

1450
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: to not only go see the prospects, go see the

1451
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Just to whole time I've never been to

1452
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl to Shrine Bowl. I've never been to

1453
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: one of these showcases before, so I'm really looking forward

1454
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: to seeing what kind of stuff we get out of it.

1455
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys that you're looking for?

1456
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: We talked so much about the coaching staff, all right,

1457
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: I think we got all that out. Is there anybody

1458
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: in particular besides Day Flowers who I think we all

1459
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: know is the I would say probably the consess is

1460
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 1: top guy that has committed to playing in the Shrine

1461
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: Bowl is a Flowers. It's it's him in uh uh uh,

1462
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: Trevious Hodges, Thomlinson. So so so I'll get to him in

1463
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: a bit. Let's start with the wide receivers though. Uh

1464
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 1: you talk about, you know, that big slot maybe replacing

1465
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, Jake Bobo from UCLA local kid from Cockford. Yeah,

1466
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: his name's gonna do great here six five, two fifteen

1467
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: lined up. Can you imagine your show as if they

1468
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: draft a guy named Bobo? I know, I know, lined up?

1469
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Uh in line slot A little bit on the boundary.

1470
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: I heat like he's not quite as big as LJ. Humphrey,

1471
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: and he's a little bit more athletic, but like you

1472
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: put him in that role with some more wide receiver

1473
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: type responsibilities. Like I don't know that it's the speed

1474
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: you're looking for in the slot, but like I watch

1475
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: him and there's a lot of Jacoby Myers in his game,

1476
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: but he's a bit more physically imposing. Okay, um another

1477
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: receiver I like. And this is a guy that I'm

1478
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: just personally a fan of Bryce Ford Wheat and from

1479
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Yeah, balled out against Pitt in the backyard,

1480
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: brought like this guy shows up in big games sixty three, two,

1481
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: twenty four. Excellent, excellent fifty fifty receiver, Like he wins

1482
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: every jump ball. He doesn't do much more than that, Like,

1483
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: this is a late project guy. But the other thing

1484
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: he does he is an excellent gunner in punt coverage.

1485
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: Twice this year he timed up like his rush yeah,

1486
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,799
Speaker 1: where he hit the returner as the guy was fielding

1487
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: the ball and forced to fumble. He is excellent covering punts.

1488
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: Drafting him in the second round now, well he's a

1489
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: projected seventh round pick. I'll give you a second round.

1490
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,919
Speaker 1: Give you a couple of running backs. They like production

1491
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: at the position. Guys are proven, they can produce in

1492
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: college Mohammad Ibraheim from Minnesota, third in the nation last

1493
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: year in rushing sixteen hundred yards. And I'll give you

1494
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: one more. This is a really interesting one. I was

1495
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: surprised to see his name on the list. Travis Dye

1496
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: from USC. I don't know how much you watched him.

1497
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: He's a bigger back. No he's not. He's a big back. No,

1498
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: he's a three down guy, like a true three down back.

1499
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: He was one of the best pass blocking running backs

1500
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: in college football this year. He was supposed to be

1501
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: like God, because there's a lot of big backs on

1502
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: this right. No, this is a pass catching back. He

1503
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a late Day two, early

1504
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: Day three pick. And then he had suffered a knee

1505
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: injury in November that ended his season and we don't

1506
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: know exactly what it was. That's what these things are for,

1507
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: right They came out and said it was season ending,

1508
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: but not career altering. So I don't know if he's

1509
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: going to be on the field, but you watch him.

1510
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: He's a Patriots back. The fact that they're gonna get

1511
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: to talk to him is big. Yeah, tight ends. I

1512
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: think the Shonemaker Schoonmaker schoonmaker. I think the shonemaker whatever.

1513
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. You might be right, I don't know.

1514
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: You still have Hunter Henry and John Smith under contract

1515
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: for a year. Take a tight end early on day three.

1516
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Let him develop behind those guys red shirt get going

1517
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: on in year two. This kid six six, two fifty

1518
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: growing as a run blocker, capable receiver. Supposed to go

1519
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: early on day three, easy, and then if the full

1520
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: back comes back, If the full back comes back, Jack

1521
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 1: Coleto won the Paul Hornig Award this year. That's Marcus

1522
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: Jones won the part Marcus Jones, Lynn Bowden, Andrebrill Peppers

1523
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: of All one it. He also plays linebacker. Second round.

1524
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: He's supposed to go late and then a Johnny Smith

1525
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: type of player. Princeton fan, you've watched Tennessee actually their

1526
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: fullback tight end hybrid. Yeah, I don't know if you've

1527
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: see if you noticed him, Princeton fan, he'll be there.

1528
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: A Johnny Smith type at tackle. Most of the top

1529
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: tackles in this class they know where they're going. They're

1530
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: not doing any of the All Star games. Jackson Kirkland's

1531
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: really interesting is he? So? He was an All Pac

1532
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: twelve left tackle in twenty twenty one, was supposed to

1533
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: come out in last year's draft, hurt his ankle, was like, well,

1534
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to do pro days or anything.

1535
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: Went back, got moved to guard in the second game

1536
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: because they didn't have a guard and they had to

1537
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: move him inside. Played an excellent season at guard at

1538
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: left guard. And now he's back in the draft and

1539
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: is he a tackle? Is he a guard? You know?

1540
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: What's his role? Clearly a team player. It's gonna be

1541
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: really interesting to see how they use him this year. Yeah,

1542
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: Jackson Land is the guy that I I thought coming

1543
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty one, if he had came out,

1544
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: he was gonna be a top one hundred guy. Yeah.

1545
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: I thought he's like maybe a fringe first round pick. Yeah,

1546
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: so he's he's got a lot of talent. The other

1547
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: tackle that I had written down Balton Wagner from Arkansas ARLs.

1548
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: I knew him as well. Carter Warren from Pittsburgh. Have

1549
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: you seen him play? And I'm not. I have a

1550
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: couple more pit guys here, but I'm not as familiar

1551
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 1: with him. No. Maller like a typical tackle right tackle

1552
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: Patriot Maller, big dude really blows people off the line

1553
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Like you put a guy like Carter war

1554
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: and you know, assuming he developed I'm not saying here

1555
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: saying he's you know, John Hannah, but Carter Warre next

1556
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: to Mike on WHENU like, that's a bulldozing side of

1557
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: the line, right, that's and that's what when it was

1558
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: Trent Brown on Windy where Cannon and Shack Mason like

1559
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: they like that right side to be sturdy. Um, I

1560
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: think he can be a guy like that. All right,

1561
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one interior linement. I'm gonna give

1562
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: you an interior like offense or defense. Offense. Oh okay,

1563
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: I was ready to switch to defense. Okay. Ricky Stormberg

1564
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, Okay, they do like arkinsa he's a he's

1565
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 1: a center I think at the next level. And David

1566
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: Andrews gonna be back next year. Yeah, but David Andrews

1567
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: getting up there he is now. They really like Cody

1568
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: Russey in the building, Yeah, they really do. So maybe

1569
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: they think Cody Russy is going to be that guy.

1570
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: But that's a really important position from all sorts of aspects, right,

1571
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: knowledge all that type of stuff, and we do have

1572
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: to start thinking thinking about David Andrews and in the

1573
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: future at that position. I hate I think Stromberg is

1574
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like a fourth or fifth round pick. It

1575
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: might be a little high for they to play guard

1576
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: too or no, probably because they do need depth at guards.

1577
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: If you bring him in as a backup guard in

1578
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: like a long term center in the fourth round, I

1579
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: could see that probably. I think that's justifiable. Yeah, And

1580
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: the other thing I'd mentioned mentioned switching over to defense,

1581
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: there's some really good long corners that are gonna like,

1582
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the long guy in this draft in general. Yeah, Like,

1583
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: there's a ton of corners in this draft. I know

1584
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: the guy from your Tomlinson from TC you is not this,

1585
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: but but there's some really like six one six two

1586
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 1: lanky corners in this draft to play on the boundary.

1587
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: And there's a couple that's going to be at the time.

1588
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody I've mentioned so far, and

1589
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about the center you just said from Arkansas,

1590
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: but everybody I've mentioned so far as on the West

1591
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: team is on the Patriots. Yeah, a couple of these

1592
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: guys are on East. The other guy just on offensive

1593
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: at Perry's gonna be at Perry. Yeah, from Wake Forest.

1594
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: He's on the East team. Another one of those big

1595
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: Carter Warren's on East. But the other guys I mentioned

1596
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: are on the page. All right, I'm gonna give you

1597
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: another pick. Guy, have a cookball. Denado from Pittsburgh of

1598
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: course defensive end. Had a career year in twenty twenty one.

1599
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: He had a team high thing with he has twelve sacks,

1600
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: and then last year you could tell like he was

1601
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: focused on developing his game as a run defender, like

1602
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: he has his big year as a pass rusher. He's

1603
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: six five, two sixty so he's a little smaller. But

1604
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: he kind of reminds me of Dietrich Wise watching him,

1605
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: where he's just like a good technically sound handles his

1606
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: responsibilities football player. He's supposed to go in the same

1607
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: range of the draft. The other interesting thing and they

1608
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: like guys like this. I like guys like this. He

1609
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: didn't start playing football two's in high schools from Italy

1610
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: and he's still like you can tell he's still learning

1611
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: the game, so there's a lot of room to grow there.

1612
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: So I like him. There's another guy, Derek Parrish from

1613
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: Houston team captain played football play fullback, defensive end, and

1614
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: line back. He was a finalist for the Horning Award.

1615
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: He's actually listed on the roster as a full back

1616
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: slash defensive end. Like they don't even know when he's

1617
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: getting to play at this and he'll play some linebacker two.

1618
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: I put him with the defensive ends because that's mostly

1619
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: what he played last year, but linebackers. This is kind

1620
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: of where the guys are. On the other side. Robert

1621
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: Beale from Georgia is a really interesting one to me

1622
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: because they've targeted the past guys who were high ranked

1623
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: high school recruits who maybe didn't pan out. Beale's supposed

1624
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: to be this elite pass rusher, goes to Georgia as

1625
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: a five star and just never really got beyond a

1626
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: rotational role. He's supposed to go on day defense correct right,

1627
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: could be an interesting guy to invest in. And then

1628
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: we talk about the Horning Award. How about the Cliff

1629
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: Harris Award the best none D one player in the country,

1630
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: the last two winners being Kyle Dugger and then Sam Roberts.

1631
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: The many second round picks that they have this well,

1632
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: this guy's supposed to go later on Day three. This

1633
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: this is kill He's supposed to go later, Okay. Caleb

1634
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: Murphy from Farris State. He had twenty five and a

1635
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: half sacks in fifteen games last year. So Sam Roberts

1636
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 1: participated in the Shrine Bowl last year, won the what

1637
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: was the Cliff Cliff Harris Cliff Harris Award, and then

1638
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: was drafted by the Patriots in the sixth round. So

1639
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of pedigree. I'm sorry, I know

1640
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: your big school and all that. I don't care what

1641
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 1: level you're playing at. Twenty five and a half sacks

1642
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: in fifteen games of the press a lot. I'm not

1643
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: saying take the kid in the first round, but that

1644
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: stands out, all right. I need a big corner. Yes,

1645
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: here's the two I have on the West team from

1646
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech. Miles Brooks. Yeah, he's on my list six two.

1647
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: Very productive. Now. He played two Power five games last year.

1648
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: He was excellent against Missouri and then kind got eaten

1649
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: up by Clemson. So again, some of this Power five talent.

1650
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting to see how he does.

1651
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: He's a projected Day three pick and a guy who's

1652
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of come up out of nowhere. Lance Boykin from

1653
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: Coastal Yeah, six three, two hundred, like, great athlete. I

1654
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: think he's a track guy. He's projected to go on

1655
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: draft right now. But it's it's that Tyreek Woolen thing

1656
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: where if he's that big in that athletic, just get

1657
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: him in the building and figure it out. So what

1658
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: are your what are your thoughts on McKay gardner because

1659
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there, Well, you gotta give me the

1660
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: school LSU. So yeah, I like I just he's another

1661
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: one of those guys that had a big pedigree coming

1662
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: in right and went to a big school, all those

1663
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: types of things. I don't think he's been quite as

1664
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: productive as they were hoping he was going to be

1665
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: an LSU. But at least when he's listed at he's

1666
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: listened as six one six two, another big guy. I'm

1667
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: interested to see how he looks. I'm interested to see

1668
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: how a lot of these guys look because I think

1669
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:07,560
Speaker 1: the corners, specifically at these showcases, the one thing that

1670
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed that you're gonna get a bunch of his

1671
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: one on once. Yeah, right, like you're gonna see all

1672
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: these types of guys, you know, give me your actual

1673
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on THHT. I don't know if you've watched him.

1674
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: I just don't. I have watched him a little bit.

1675
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't dislike the player and say his full name

1676
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: for people that Trevius Hodges Thomason. Yeah, he's LT's nephew.

1677
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Ladany Thomason. He's just so redundant

1678
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: to Marcus Jones. Yeah, they're the same guy. I just

1679
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: are they his Technically he's outstanding, right, So this is

1680
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: the thing. He might be as skilled as any corner

1681
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: in this draft, but he's five eight, right, and he

1682
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,879
Speaker 1: played exclusively on the boundary at TCU. You're just describing

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01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones. But are they gonna look at what they

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01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: did with John Jones and what they did with Marcus

1685
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: Jones this year and say, we're gonna get a guy

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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: for first round talent in the third or fourth round,

1687
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: and we know we can make these shorter corners work

1688
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: on the boundary because we've done it. That's what I wonder.

1689
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: And they're not working with him. He's on the East team,

1690
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. I think it's possible. I just what

1691
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: I worry about with it. So look, I think that

1692
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: there's and this is an offseason topic that we can

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01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: talk about when we have more time. But the short version,

1694
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: there are a lot of defenses, defenses that are playing

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01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: this weekend, in championship weekend, that do not have a

1696
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: stud number one corner. And they're saying Cincinnati for two

1697
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: years has made it this far in back to back

1698
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: years with Eli Apple probably being their best corner because

1699
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: they mix and match so well on the back end, right,

1700
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: they run a lot of zone, they run a lot

1701
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: of exotics, they spin the dial, they blitz, they don't

1702
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: blitz like they do a bunch of different things, and

1703
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: it allows them to get away with matchups being maybe

1704
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: not exactly in their favor. So the Patriots can do that,

1705
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: and they certainly have the coaching chops to do that.

1706
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know if there's a blueprint for a

1707
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick defense that doesn't have Darrell Reeves, Stefan Gilmore

1708
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: keep to leave Ty Law like he doesn't have that guy.

1709
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: And so I think it's possible, and maybe they look

1710
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: at it and they say, you know, we could draft

1711
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple of Cam Smith's Witherspoon, right,

1712
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: like Darren Witherspoon. I think milk Kiper had them taking

1713
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: in the first round in his mock today, Like there's

1714
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys like that in this draft would

1715
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: be in range at fourteen, that would make sense for

1716
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots in the first round. But it goes back

1717
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: to value, right, and if they could get some of

1718
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: these guys that we're going to see this weekend on

1719
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: a value third or fourth round type of pick, like

1720
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: they did with the Joneses, like maybe that's where the

1721
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: corner is now, Like maybe that's where the market is gone,

1722
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: So it's possible. I just think he's super redundant to

1723
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, and if they haven't been afraid of making

1724
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: redundant picks in the past. No, I'm not saying they

1725
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. I just think that if they're gonna

1726
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: draft and then we have to rap, if they're gonna

1727
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: draft a corner in that range, there's so many six

1728
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: foot one, six foot two bigger boundary that you just

1729
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: go and get one of those guys so you have

1730
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: them so when you play, when you play the Bengals

1731
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: and you have to games, you have somebody to cover them.

1732
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: Like it's like I always like to compare, especially with

1733
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I always like to compare the cornerback room

1734
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: to like a basketball team, right, and you have to

1735
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: have one through five. You have to have guys that

1736
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: can cover. You know, a point guard's gonna take the

1737
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: point guard, the center is gonna take the center, and

1738
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: you have to be able to match up body types. Now,

1739
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: there are guys that can do it all right, like

1740
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: they're so athletic or they're such good defenders. You know,

1741
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart, he can cover kind of one through five

1742
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: to a degree. But at the end of the day,

1743
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,879
Speaker 1: I think that you need to have a Rob Williams

1744
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: and you need to have a Marcus Smart. Like. You

1745
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: can't just have Marcus Smarts. So I'll give you real quick.

1746
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you this guy, Trey Dean is listed as

1747
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: a safety, but he can play box safety, corner six three,

1748
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: two h seven. They're gonna be working with him, versatile

1749
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: defensive back. You talk about the needs and the Belichick defense,

1750
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: the deep safety. The best deep safety in this game,

1751
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: I think is on the East team. That's your various

1752
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: Owen's from guess where Houston. A lot of Houston guys,

1753
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: all right, So I like that program. It's gonna be

1754
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: Power five soon. So Alex and I will be doing

1755
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: podcasts every single day from Las Vegas at the Shrine Bowl.

1756
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: They I don't believe they're gonna be live. I think

1757
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna do them as as true podcasts. You can

1758
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: go on Patriots dot com or Spotify or Apple Podcasts

1759
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: or Google or wherever you get your podcasts and check

1760
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 1: them out there. So like unfortunately, they won't be on YouTube.

1761
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: If you're somebody who watches on YouTube and you want

1762
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: to find them, you gotta go to Patriots. You gotta

1763
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: go to the audio feeds. Correct. So we will be

1764
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: starting on Saturday doing podcasts from the Shrine Bowl all

1765
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: week long during practice at the Shrine Bowl, and we're

1766
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: really looking forward to it. So we'll talk to you

1767
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: guys on Saturday from Las Vegas. Thanks so much for listening,

1768
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:53,559
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