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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, August twenty first, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Welcome and well appreciate you guys take us some time
Speaker 1: with us today to talk a little Cowboys football. How's
Speaker 1: everybody great? Well? Good, awesome, Thanks awesome. Sorry for those
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Speaker 1: We had some technical difficulties. Our man can't got everything
Speaker 1: back rolling. So appreciate you guys hanging out and waiting around.
Speaker 1: And now we'll go ahead and get to it. Let's
Speaker 1: talk first about a couple signings the Cowboy had yesterday.
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a safety. Anybody excited they signed Dominic Sanders? Cool? Cool?
Speaker 1: How are you right? Don't don't do Dominic like that
Speaker 1: we don't University of Georgia, Georgia. A lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of interceptions at Georgia Georgia. Yeah, like sixteen in
Speaker 1: four years at three every year at least. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't actually know where he went after Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia signed him, cut him quickly. I think he was
Speaker 1: with a couple of teams. He bounced around a little bit.
Speaker 1: This is a camp body if there's ever been one,
Speaker 1: this is this is the guy to kind of feel
Speaker 1: some you know, just practice basically, just just please go
Speaker 1: out there and practice. So Tyree Robinson doesn't get every snap. Yep.
Speaker 1: They basically cut him right away, and then he hasn't
Speaker 1: been with anyone I didn't think so. So, so are
Speaker 1: they doing more because they still have an issue that
Speaker 1: could possibly be here. If Xavier Woods they played, they
Speaker 1: did more. Are they are doing more right now? Um?
Speaker 1: They are. If the paperwork's not official. They are expected
Speaker 1: to or are going to sign Jeron Johnson, who is
Speaker 1: a classic veteran safety. He played with Chris Rochard in
Speaker 1: Seattle for five years. He was like their third or
Speaker 1: fourth safety there special teams. It kind of looking over
Speaker 1: his resume, it sounds like he was their Cavon Frasier.
Speaker 1: Just to kind of give you an idea of what
Speaker 1: he did. He played all sixteen games on their Super
Speaker 1: Bowl teams. He spent the year with Washington, got hurt
Speaker 1: in training camp last year and was out of football.
Speaker 1: I think I read he was coaching high school when
Speaker 1: they called him. So he I mean, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a established veteran. Not a guy that I think you
Speaker 1: should get excited about, but you think, but a guy
Speaker 1: that's thought as he can give you a week he's
Speaker 1: supposed to he's supposed to practice today, and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he'll at least help you get through these two preseason
Speaker 1: games if nothing else. Do you feel comfortable if I
Speaker 1: have to asked the question? At this point, you can't
Speaker 1: keep asking the questions. You do have to ask the question,
Speaker 1: because I think that's the thing that fans are sitting
Speaker 1: out there listening right now, and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: I hear all that, But can this guy play week one?
Speaker 1: If Xavier, if Xavier Woods isn't out let the thing
Speaker 1: about it, yes, can he play? Can he play well
Speaker 1: enough that the Cowboys don't get torched? He might be
Speaker 1: better than Xavier Woods that's the thing about Xavier. You
Speaker 1: don't even know what he's gonna do. I mean, he yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be decent. But when the lights come on
Speaker 1: and you were the starting safety, I'm not sure you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know about him either. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: I just go find me a guy that you know about,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you know that as long as
Speaker 1: we're touching on well, I know who you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: But as far as I know, Georgia Loca is still
Speaker 1: out there. I've heard, you know, the cowboys are interested,
Speaker 1: but not that interested, which like that just in other words,
Speaker 1: if it's comes to us, if falls to us with
Speaker 1: the right money, that's so cowboys like there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I fans ask me that and I
Speaker 1: don't know how to answer. I'm like, I don't really
Speaker 1: get it either. Yeah, I didn't get why they didn't
Speaker 1: want Tyron Matthew. I didn't get why they didn't want
Speaker 1: any of those other guys. It's not a scheme fit,
Speaker 1: I understand. I don't buy it. What about it? Is
Speaker 1: there any truth to the fact that he's similar to
Speaker 1: Eric Reed? Oh, I don't I haven't looked that hard.
Speaker 1: Into it to be one hundred percent honest. Think that
Speaker 1: might be a case with a loca there might, But
Speaker 1: I think the other part too, twos you have to
Speaker 1: think about is it seems to me, you guys, correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but seems to me that the theory,
Speaker 1: or at least the strategy around here for the last
Speaker 1: several years is they just don't want to spend big
Speaker 1: money in free agency. They look at it as well,
Speaker 1: they look whatever the results. All I'm saying is it
Speaker 1: disappears that and that's not something that they they look
Speaker 1: at strategically as a good thing. They feel like they
Speaker 1: want to home grow their talent rather than going down
Speaker 1: spending in free a I understand, and they've done a
Speaker 1: fantastic job, like all of the important pieces of this
Speaker 1: team are homegrown, and they've done a good job holding
Speaker 1: onto him. But you got the money and it I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what may it's more than I think,
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't sound like a bank breaking deal
Speaker 1: would have to be done to get this guy. And
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthews better than him and he signed on for
Speaker 1: one year seven million. I mean really, so in developing guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a long term process. It's not like
Speaker 1: you're gonna get it done in one year. It takes
Speaker 1: a few years to develop different guys at different position
Speaker 1: and to build a full on team. It's also, to
Speaker 1: quote a favorite phrase of football coaches everywhere, it's not
Speaker 1: cutting time, like it's two weeks until the season. That's
Speaker 1: you know, developing guys and not wanting to spend money
Speaker 1: in free agencies for March now. It's like, we need
Speaker 1: a guy who we trust isn't going to screw this up. However,
Speaker 1: that's the part that we're not talking about. And I'd
Speaker 1: love to get your thoughts. But maybe they saw on
Speaker 1: film what Cincinnati saw absolutely and that he is a
Speaker 1: player that was pretty good for a while and last
Speaker 1: year fell off, and they're like, we may take him
Speaker 1: for a cheap amount, but we're not investing anymore because
Speaker 1: we don't think he's any better than Cavon Frazier one percent. Like,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Maybe they saw us. Maybe that's true.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's actually true, like maybe he really isn't worth
Speaker 1: the investment. But it's a rare situation. Like if we
Speaker 1: were talking about a wide receiver, I would get it
Speaker 1: or or maybe even you know, an offensive lineman for
Speaker 1: the back end of the depth chart. But look at
Speaker 1: this team's safeties right now. Jeff Jeff Heath is a
Speaker 1: great great is maybe overstating. I think Jeff Heath is
Speaker 1: a really solid starter. I like him a lot. After that,
Speaker 1: what I mean, what you got you got? You have
Speaker 1: no idea. I've been saying that all offseason Cavan Fraser
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods might be future Pro Bowlers. How do
Speaker 1: you know that right now? And one of them can't
Speaker 1: play right now? I mean basically, so if your wide
Speaker 1: receivers can't make plays, then you punt. And if you're
Speaker 1: running back can't you know, hit the hole, then then
Speaker 1: your you know, your puntum. But if your left tackle
Speaker 1: can't do his job, then the quarterback could get hurt.
Speaker 1: And if your safety doesn't do his job, it's a
Speaker 1: sixty five yard touchdown. So it's one of those positions
Speaker 1: where if if you don't get it short up, it
Speaker 1: could be really bad for you. And so, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't you just know they're gonna do something. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of anti because it's like something's happening here.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't be this it's just not going
Speaker 1: to be this, even the Cavon Frasier. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be Cavon Frasier. You think you're one hundred percent confident
Speaker 1: of that that I could I can envision a scenario
Speaker 1: where they just try to get through Ron Johnson and
Speaker 1: Frasier just to maybe just hope, get hopefully and just
Speaker 1: hope that Woods can be ready as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even sound like Byron Jones is an option
Speaker 1: which and then he shouldn't be. Honestly, I think that
Speaker 1: would be a short sighted, terrible decision. Well that he
Speaker 1: has been sort of short sighted though, right, But but no,
Speaker 1: I think I would rather go there you were saying before,
Speaker 1: where you're just gonna kind of piece me all that
Speaker 1: thing for a week maybe two, and see what you
Speaker 1: have to do, rather than taking a guy that wasn't
Speaker 1: great at safety. I mean, he had issues at safety.
Speaker 1: You get him the corner and he's actually showing signs
Speaker 1: of being a really good player at corner, and now say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna slide you back to the safety. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's a bad decision. Chris Richard yesterday, I mean
Speaker 1: he repeated it over and over Byron is the corner.
Speaker 1: And then I asked him, I'd dare to ask him
Speaker 1: what about Cheeto since other people talk about it, and
Speaker 1: he just looked at me straight in the eye and
Speaker 1: it was like, Cheeto, he's a corner. There we go, Okay, yes, good, Yes.
Speaker 1: Then I asked him, I asked him, so how much
Speaker 1: he is like your opinion? Like who makes the decision here?
Speaker 1: Because you hear Steven Jones and the Jones and the question,
Speaker 1: you know, asking or talking about, oh you have these
Speaker 1: guys are flexible enough to play safety and corner. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you're saying that these two guys are for sure corners,
Speaker 1: then who really makes the decision? He looked at me
Speaker 1: straight in the eye again and was just like, well,
Speaker 1: it's a team evaluation. We both got our input in
Speaker 1: a very political answer, of course, But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: it didn't sound political when he was saying for the
Speaker 1: sixth time, Byron, He's like, it's a collaborative effort, but
Speaker 1: I stood on the table when it comes to the secondary,
Speaker 1: I'm making the calls. Basically, what yeah, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that because that's not the way we roll around here,
Speaker 1: but just know a corner, I would rather throw Derek
Speaker 1: out there in the number twenty eight than moved by her.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying I would rather a bad idea.
Speaker 1: It's an awful idea, and I like it better than
Speaker 1: trying to move byer nrcheto like why I'm with that,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Those two guys have been two of
Speaker 1: your most consistent players throughout training camp. Why would you
Speaker 1: take a position that you feel pretty good about and
Speaker 1: you feel like it could be a strength. We don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do in the regular season, but
Speaker 1: could be a strength and turn into something that's a
Speaker 1: bit of a question and another point, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like it's gonna happen. So it's not that it's
Speaker 1: not worth getting into. But that idea sounded great before
Speaker 1: we started practicing because you had Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: Those guys haven't looked good enough to give me that
Speaker 1: kind of offidence in them. I've been I've actually been
Speaker 1: somewhat disappointed by Jordan Lewis. I have not seen him
Speaker 1: make kind of plays I thought he would make, and
Speaker 1: I've seen him in some moments where he's gotten beat
Speaker 1: a few times too, when I thought he probably would
Speaker 1: be better. So I'm not I'm not in a rush
Speaker 1: to get him in the in the start over one
Speaker 1: of those two guys. I'm in a starting position over
Speaker 1: one of those two guys. I'm intrigued by Nick though,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I hope he's right. I hope that
Speaker 1: they're planning on doing something more substantial with this position.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be surprised if they're just like
Speaker 1: Woods will be back for the Giants game and we're
Speaker 1: just like, okay, all right, and they just go in
Speaker 1: that game like hoping something. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do, but I'm gonna be bad. But Amber is
Speaker 1: not gonna be very happy. The one thing I will
Speaker 1: say that the third person, I'm a little I'm a
Speaker 1: little less concerned with that against Carolina than I would
Speaker 1: be in Week two. If they if they feel like
Speaker 1: they can go into that as long as you can tackle, well,
Speaker 1: I think you can probably get against a team like Carolina.
Speaker 1: I don't look at their passing game and say I'm
Speaker 1: really really worried about what they can do in the
Speaker 1: passing game. You get to New York, good luck with that,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a safety to be able to cover,
Speaker 1: to cover the back end. Just remember who's in Carolina now,
Speaker 1: d J Moore, the Goat. I hear you. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be his first NFL game. I'm feeling okay, I'm getting
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great player, just like Michael Gallup. But I just I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about him right now, you know, until they
Speaker 1: show it, till that quarterback shows it that he consistently
Speaker 1: be a problem when it comes to the passing game.
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried about that as him running. He's
Speaker 1: an NFL MVP. I wonder what and he was a
Speaker 1: great runner that year, great runner. I just wonder what
Speaker 1: the hold up is? Like I'm really like, what is
Speaker 1: the sticking point? Like what what draft pick or whatever?
Speaker 1: Is it? Like, what's the sticking point? It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's there. You know that they you know they they're
Speaker 1: probably talked on the phone this week, like it's there
Speaker 1: about that. Honestly, honestly though, I mean think Nick, you've
Speaker 1: been you know, I've never I think it's I honestly
Speaker 1: think it's just you know, it's that's stubbornness, Like nobody
Speaker 1: wants to blink. Everybody kind of knows this is what
Speaker 1: we're willing to do. You know we're willing to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not relent, but that should have changed
Speaker 1: when your safety that you were had your fingers crossed
Speaker 1: for went down with a hamstring injury of two to
Speaker 1: four weeks. And if it's anything like the rest of
Speaker 1: the guys on this team four, that's absolutely the worst
Speaker 1: time for it to change. If you're thinking about it
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of a negotiation and being on the
Speaker 1: positive end of a negotiation, that is the worst time
Speaker 1: to panic because then you have no leverage. So you're
Speaker 1: going with hat in hand saying I know we said
Speaker 1: before that this is what we're willing to give up,
Speaker 1: but we just lost our safety. And then like, you
Speaker 1: have no leverage whatsoever, and I don't, I don't if
Speaker 1: you if you had lost Xavier Woods for eight weeks,
Speaker 1: if you had lost Xavier Woods for the season, then
Speaker 1: maybe you're in dire straits saying, I think they may
Speaker 1: look at it as it may be one week of
Speaker 1: the regular season. We have to deal with that. That
Speaker 1: should make us panic So if you're a Seattle and
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you were willing to take a
Speaker 1: second round pick all along, and the Cowboys are like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing it, and now they come back and say,
Speaker 1: we'll do a second round pick. Now you're gonna change
Speaker 1: You're gonna change your thought because of oh, we've got
Speaker 1: more leverage. Maybe. Okay, Well then you just said and
Speaker 1: just hang tight with them then, And I mean, if
Speaker 1: you think that's a that's the issue, then he just
Speaker 1: keeps holding out. And I guess they don't really care,
Speaker 1: you know, because they know. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do either. I think the Cowboys look at it as
Speaker 1: we don't have to make this move right now, because
Speaker 1: if they did, they would have made this move months ago.
Speaker 1: Like I think they really look at this and say,
Speaker 1: we don't feel like we have to make a move
Speaker 1: at our safety position right now, and we think we
Speaker 1: got enough players where we can get through this season
Speaker 1: and we think we can play well this season. That's
Speaker 1: at least what they think, and that okay, if they didn't,
Speaker 1: they would have gotten him more. Think that way, then
Speaker 1: they're wrong, okay in my opinion. Obviously, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. They don't know. I mean, wait, you just
Speaker 1: said they think they've got enough, that they've got the
Speaker 1: right players here. They don't. They're hiring guys out of
Speaker 1: like pe class and saying, please come safety for him. Well,
Speaker 1: the reason why they're happened to please come safety, that's good,
Speaker 1: But no, the reason why they're doing that because Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods is out for two to four weeks. My point is,
Speaker 1: and he might be kpe I might stand that, but
Speaker 1: they are willing. They are willing so far their action show,
Speaker 1: they are willing to give it a shot and see
Speaker 1: if he can be what they drafted him to be. Right.
Speaker 1: If not, they would have done something long time ago.
Speaker 1: There were how many day how many weeks did you
Speaker 1: come in this show and say, there's about one hundred
Speaker 1: safety sitting over there on the free agency pile if
Speaker 1: they want to just go grab one of them, like
Speaker 1: there were a number of Yeah, but you got a
Speaker 1: new coach who in your mind you're thinking, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy can do magic here and develop certain guys and
Speaker 1: turn him into something great. And yes he is a
Speaker 1: great coach, and yes he's doing that with a few guys,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't always work. Out with every single guy.
Speaker 1: There are exceptions. Now as far as safety, there was
Speaker 1: no depth there to begin with, and the guys that
Speaker 1: were there not proven. So I mean, unless you talk
Speaker 1: about other positions, let's say wide receiver, not the same story,
Speaker 1: but still a position that they decided to really bring
Speaker 1: in a ton of death there, and then they don't
Speaker 1: do the same with a very very key position. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. All of you guys are making valid points,
Speaker 1: I get it. My point is they still don't think
Speaker 1: that way, because if they did, they would have had
Speaker 1: more safeties here. They didn't. I don't. I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that point because in April, May and June it
Speaker 1: was just a scab and it was barely bleeding, so
Speaker 1: the band aid was on it. But now your arm
Speaker 1: is falling off, so now you need to do more
Speaker 1: than that. It's not just the same situation it was before.
Speaker 1: Now you better get this thing wrapped up because it's
Speaker 1: about to fall off. Okay, And once again, you're making
Speaker 1: a great point. They are, but I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything that we've seen from them that suggests they agree
Speaker 1: with that. We set the record for long as Dave
Speaker 1: is gone without talking enjoying the show, looking back and
Speaker 1: forth like a point point lounging here, Eric looks like
Speaker 1: a cornered animal, and I mean it's like, but that's
Speaker 1: the point. I agree with a lot of their points,
Speaker 1: but the team is not coming here with your points.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to Texas Player. I've been you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked to my office's ever been many since the first
Speaker 1: time this all came up. It's been something I'd love
Speaker 1: to see. But I don't think the cowboys, the people
Speaker 1: that are making the decisions, I don't think they see
Speaker 1: this in the way you guys see it, you know,
Speaker 1: like my stance here, like my chips have been all
Speaker 1: right there the whole time. And I'm sitting here on
Speaker 1: like four to seven, so I'm just like hoping that man,
Speaker 1: or I'm actually sitting on like a two nine. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting four sevens is like a really good hand, isn't it? No,
Speaker 1: four seven I'm playing hold them? Oh sorry, okay, I
Speaker 1: don't play poker, So I'm I was thinking of saything
Speaker 1: like four seven, that's good. I'm actually sitting on a
Speaker 1: two and a nine, That's what I'm sitting on, two
Speaker 1: and a nine and hoping that there's other two's and nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is twenty nine. If you got that, Oh god,
Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together. I just I don't
Speaker 1: have any I have no reason whatsoever to think that
Speaker 1: this is happening. This is pure speculation on my part.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any whispers. But I just love the
Speaker 1: thought of like Chris Richard walking into the staff meeting
Speaker 1: and just being like, what what do I gotta do? Like,
Speaker 1: are y'all kidding me right now? Just pick up the
Speaker 1: phone to quote Travis Scott, just go pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and call him and get my guy here. He's
Speaker 1: not even practicing right now. I just that's a fun
Speaker 1: mental image for me. All Right, we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: He seems so intense too. They were like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: oh no, it would it would be like a lot
Speaker 1: of tenser than that. And Jason's like, um, we got him.
Speaker 1: Who's that? Earl? We finally, well about time? And then
Speaker 1: he like goes in there to his meeting and starts working.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, he's so intense. IM just gonna
Speaker 1: be a great head coach. I really don't I don't
Speaker 1: know what to think. Well, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think it'll happen next year when he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is gonna happen. That's personal belief. Sorry,
Speaker 1: whoever does this after whoever sits here for hanging the
Speaker 1: nasty thing, huh hanging with the boys, maid, I think
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, No, Shannon's here and Nates over there.
Speaker 1: Kerr definitely. All right, let's take a first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to get to talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about the defense. We didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to get to the defense yesterday because we spend so
Speaker 1: much time on the offense. We did already cover the secondary,
Speaker 1: so we are going to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: that defensive line and the linebackers, which I'll tell you
Speaker 1: right now, My player right now that I think is
Speaker 1: going to be the best player on this defense is
Speaker 1: not the player that most people think. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: really a great documentary. They went back, you guys, traveled
Speaker 1: back to um to Dak's old college, Mississippi State, spent
Speaker 1: some time with his old coach, with other people at
Speaker 1: the program, with Dak himself there, and just kind of
Speaker 1: talked about this love affair between Dak and that city
Speaker 1: and that university. And I thought it came out really well,
Speaker 1: and obviously the voters with the Emmys also thought it
Speaker 1: came out really well, and you guys got rewarded last
Speaker 1: night for really great work. So great work to you guys, Congratulations, Thanks,
Speaker 1: super super duper rewarding experience. All praise on the high
Speaker 1: to Kent the Magic Man. Awesome back there, Man, You're incredible,
Speaker 1: love you. Yeah, it was. It was a really cool experience.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. And to the guys that did the
Speaker 1: year in special, that was the other win we got
Speaker 1: last night. Kevin Timmins and Mike Marshall put together a
Speaker 1: really great year end show. For those that didn't see it,
Speaker 1: we had Michael Irvin and Moose and Nate and they
Speaker 1: were all doing kind of some roundtable type discussions and
Speaker 1: then you can imagine those guys and doing a discussion
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys after what happened last year. It was
Speaker 1: pretty good stuff, and again the voters thought it was
Speaker 1: worthy of an Emmy and so they got that Emmy award.
Speaker 1: So really really great work, Very very proud. We had
Speaker 1: a lot of nomination. We had seven nominations last night,
Speaker 1: so even for the guys that that didn't get the wins,
Speaker 1: it just it speaks a lot. It speaks volumes about
Speaker 1: this team and the amount of creativity and hard work
Speaker 1: that goes and what we're doing. I'm very proud of
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys do awesome job every single day.
Speaker 1: So thinks, all right, man, let's move on. Let's talk defense.
Speaker 1: Let's talk defense. I am. We just did that for
Speaker 1: the whole first second. We did. We did. But now
Speaker 1: we're gonna switch to a couple other positions on the defense,
Speaker 1: and we'll start with another signing. Cowboys pick up a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, Karan Read. Dave you said in the break
Speaker 1: that this was a player that you guys studied during
Speaker 1: the draft and that the Cowboys had some interest or yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked a little bit. Well, it's funny. I literally
Speaker 1: had the thought yesterday. I didn't go to Jason Garrets
Speaker 1: press conference, I didn't go to practice because we had
Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I even thought to myself, I was like, big,
Speaker 1: big deal, it's one day, Like what are you gonna miss?
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know it's a minor signing. But
Speaker 1: I got back to work and was like, holy crap.
Speaker 1: They signed Karan Read. I remember him. He was in
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen draft. Actually, he was in the same
Speaker 1: draft class as coney Eally. He's a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: He's not like this blue chip guy, but I remember
Speaker 1: like he was intriguing. He's a big space eating one technique,
Speaker 1: the type of guy that we always talk about. They
Speaker 1: never seemed like they have, so I'm it's a name
Speaker 1: that stands out. I remember they had some interest him
Speaker 1: in him during that draft cycle, which is probably why
Speaker 1: he's here if I had to guess, very similar to
Speaker 1: why they signed coney Eally. So I doubt he makes
Speaker 1: the team, just because most guys who signed on this
Speaker 1: Leaden camp don't. But it's something to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on in these last few practices for sure. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that he's got a pretty good chance to
Speaker 1: actually to make the team. I feel like Tyrone Crawford
Speaker 1: now is just a tackle. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing a whole lot of end. I
Speaker 1: think that the emergence of Dorn's Armstrong and Taco playing
Speaker 1: pretty well, and Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence on top
Speaker 1: of that, I think that the Crawford just makes more
Speaker 1: sense when you're talking about getting your best rushers and
Speaker 1: your best lineman there. I'm not saying he won't play
Speaker 1: any end, but for the most part, I would imagine
Speaker 1: he's going to play a lot of tackle and by
Speaker 1: doing that it might squeeze jahad Ward out the door
Speaker 1: and keeping your one techniques And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna be a battle between Brian Price
Speaker 1: and Daytona Jones who's banged up. That that's another thing.
Speaker 1: He's banged up. And then you got Antoine Woods, who's
Speaker 1: a good point. I'm not saying he's fallen off. He
Speaker 1: just haven't heard a whole lot from him. But then again,
Speaker 1: you're not watching one on ones all the time like
Speaker 1: you were. I mean, that's where Antoine Woods was making
Speaker 1: his his you know, his presence felt so m On
Speaker 1: a related note, and Jerry, you know we're back. I
Speaker 1: guess we're back on the football schedule because Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: spoke on the radio this morning, which is a football
Speaker 1: season thing. Um. He said that they hope MALIEK Collins
Speaker 1: will be ready for Carolina. Forgot and I totally forgot
Speaker 1: about Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good forget because
Speaker 1: he certainly will be in the mix. Absolutely not starting.
Speaker 1: I'll assume he started. Who's your three techniques? Then him
Speaker 1: and well, I hope craw Crawford's making the team, so
Speaker 1: he's great, him and Crawford, and then you just figure
Speaker 1: out your one. Give give me a guy who can
Speaker 1: play one so that Malik doesn't have to let me
Speaker 1: throw another thing into the mix. I don't say David Irving.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, week five, how does that change
Speaker 1: or does it don't do that? I was gonna say
Speaker 1: Irving won't play again, But I've already been there on
Speaker 1: that right, there's always there's always a good will play
Speaker 1: again because he needs a crude season. He's gonna play
Speaker 1: like Antoine Woods is going to have a half sack
Speaker 1: against the Panthers, and somebody's gonna call us and be like,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do to get Irving on the teams?
Speaker 1: And it always takes care of it, and all that
Speaker 1: question was not about getting him on the team. You
Speaker 1: can find that, Like, You're right, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: way to figure that out. I'm talking about from a
Speaker 1: depth standpoint and from snap standpoint. If those two guys
Speaker 1: are playing three, is David Irving a one technique? I mean,
Speaker 1: where do you where do you use him? What happens
Speaker 1: with those other guys? Do you move a league back
Speaker 1: to a one technique or David Irving's a football player
Speaker 1: on it, like, put put him on the line wherever
Speaker 1: you put I'll play him at end. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's better at tackle, but just put
Speaker 1: him out there. If they remember the other day we
Speaker 1: were really struggling about more are they gonna do between
Speaker 1: Brian Price and Antoine Woods and John Ward and Dayton
Speaker 1: Jones and the Cowboys said we hear all of that,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go get Karen Read. So they don't
Speaker 1: feel strongly about some of those guys. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: all of them, but there's a couple of guys in
Speaker 1: there that they just don't feel good about. Good point.
Speaker 1: They honest may believe, hey, we got a just a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, got a bunch of guys. We don't
Speaker 1: have anybody who think it's gonna really stand out, and
Speaker 1: they're just kind of searching it this if I had,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry ahead, I was just saying he
Speaker 1: played for the Lions to year four years ago. That's
Speaker 1: who drafted him. Yeah, and I was, you know, about
Speaker 1: to I was writing the story and I was about
Speaker 1: to be like he played with Marinelli for you know,
Speaker 1: under Marinellian and realized this was his sixth year. That
Speaker 1: seemed like that's gone by fast Rod. Marinelli's six years,
Speaker 1: like a long time. He's been here the whole time.
Speaker 1: I have like I've never known a Dallas defense that
Speaker 1: didn't have me. I didn't think about it like that.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, um time, so no one. Oh but Ward,
Speaker 1: Ward and Jones were your starters like all through the
Speaker 1: spring and up intil the first week of training camp,
Speaker 1: and if I had to put money on it, I
Speaker 1: would still pick them to make the fifty three. But like,
Speaker 1: I certainly don't feel good about it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you could call that a lock by any strings. Ward
Speaker 1: seems like it's just been Yah knows that. Ivan, You're
Speaker 1: not wrong. All right, let's talk. Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: defense overall. Um, during the first and Dabut and I
Speaker 1: were talking about this the other day, it's hard to
Speaker 1: to sometimes still know what the offense. We kind of said, okay,
Speaker 1: the first team was out there for this number of possessions.
Speaker 1: It's been a little bit different on the defense because
Speaker 1: they've kind of had this mixing of first and second
Speaker 1: team players throughout the preseason, even early in games. But
Speaker 1: if you want to kind of just get an idea,
Speaker 1: pretty much, you look at these two games. Defense is
Speaker 1: given up a touchdown in basically four quarters of football,
Speaker 1: which to me sounds like a you know, I'll take
Speaker 1: that all day? Right? How much you guys buying into
Speaker 1: the idea that maybe this defense is going to turn
Speaker 1: the corner this year and may have because if you
Speaker 1: think about it the traditional what you've always heard about defenses,
Speaker 1: If you can get a really good player, a player
Speaker 1: that makes a difference on each of the three levels,
Speaker 1: then you're onto something, right And you start looking at
Speaker 1: right now what they got at defense. On the defensive line, particularly,
Speaker 1: you got Tank Lawrence. He's the best player on that unit.
Speaker 1: You look at the linebackers. I personally believe Jalen's gonna
Speaker 1: be your best linebacker this year. But you've got Sean
Speaker 1: Lee there at middle linebacker. I'm sorry, we can week
Speaker 1: side linebacker. Are you saying that because you don't think
Speaker 1: Sean's gonna play all sixteen games? Don't? I don't know
Speaker 1: if I buy into the fact you'll play all sixteen games,
Speaker 1: and I think Jalen will. And then you look at
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks right now, in the cornerbacks again, for what
Speaker 1: we see at this moment, are playing really really well.
Speaker 1: Are you buying into the idea that this defense may
Speaker 1: turn the corner this year and actually be the better
Speaker 1: unit and not just kind of hey keep him off
Speaker 1: feel as long as possible. The same argument and discussion
Speaker 1: that you guys had on the break on the beat,
Speaker 1: on the beat, no sorry, when we were coming off
Speaker 1: the break, and then it into the beat that was
Speaker 1: very clearly about DeMarcus Florence. Yes, that was specific, and
Speaker 1: the and the point that I was making was is
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have it. I don't think
Speaker 1: this this defense will be great if you don't have
Speaker 1: a great player. You gotta have a great player or two.
Speaker 1: And you don't call DeMarcus Arms a great player. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he had a great season. You don't call
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Arms a great man now, and neither of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys or they would have signed him to a long
Speaker 1: term of seventeen million dollars. That says he's a great
Speaker 1: player to them for right, now they're right. No, they
Speaker 1: are renting a but don't don't want it. You don't
Speaker 1: rint You don't rent an average player for seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 1: You really got the average? See that that's the that's
Speaker 1: what keeps getting changed. I didn't say average. I never
Speaker 1: said average, which I said that he's good, he's really
Speaker 1: You don't read a good player for seventeen million dollars,
Speaker 1: you don't. I don't think a good place. I don't
Speaker 1: think a great player has only done it once out
Speaker 1: of what three years. You don't franchise guys that are
Speaker 1: just rock solid, just you locks. You don't. Well, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald got franchise. Why is he on the third one?
Speaker 1: I mean clearly, the Rams clearly, for whatever reason, aren't sold.
Speaker 1: He's the best defensive tag one football. Aren't they paying
Speaker 1: him that money? They're not paying I think again, you
Speaker 1: look at the NFL. Teams have invested interests in franchising
Speaker 1: because they can keep pushing it out. They're willing to
Speaker 1: pay that one year deal because in football, as we
Speaker 1: all know, injuries come and you never know when that
Speaker 1: injury is gonna come. And so if you can just
Speaker 1: keep paying just one year deals, it's worth it pay
Speaker 1: even more. Okay, they are getting kind of sidetracked on
Speaker 1: on on what we're trying to say here. Let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about the defense. Okay. I think it comes down
Speaker 1: to five second round picks. Okay, you have five of them.
Speaker 1: If three of them can be really really good, too great,
Speaker 1: then you can have a good defense. And you've got
Speaker 1: Sean Lee De Marcus, Lawrence Cheeto, Randy Gregory, and Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: If you get those guys, and three of those five
Speaker 1: were top fifteen players and they fell for different reasons
Speaker 1: on their board, fell for different reasons. If you can
Speaker 1: get wildcard plays, especially out of Gregory and Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: then this defense can be great. It really can be
Speaker 1: if these two guys and they're the wildcards. But you
Speaker 1: need those other second round picks to be good. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are a ton of if It's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of ifs when you talk about this.
Speaker 1: But but they had to build this team thinking Jalen
Speaker 1: may not come back, and they had to build this
Speaker 1: team thinking Randy Gregory will not play again. And now
Speaker 1: this surprise, they're here. So they can come into this
Speaker 1: situation and if they do. If and if Gregory plays
Speaker 1: anywhere close to his college potential, and same for Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: then yes, this defense can be really good, especially if
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee can stay healthy. Might be the biggest if
Speaker 1: of all. That's and I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 1: way to say it because I've been so stupidly impressed
Speaker 1: by this defense all preseason. But it can be fools
Speaker 1: gold to a degree. It just that's just the way
Speaker 1: this works. That then sixteen Detroit Lions went four o
Speaker 1: in the preseason, Like that's that stuff was also good
Speaker 1: start because they have known you want to lose preseason games,
Speaker 1: good teams lose preseason you want to win the first half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well, and that's they look incredible. Honestly, I was
Speaker 1: following up on this Jeron Johnson News and I had
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody over there that was just like
Speaker 1: we're just kind of bs and about, you know, the
Speaker 1: preseason and how things have looked, and they're just like,
Speaker 1: this defense looks crazy good, don't you think? And I
Speaker 1: was like, honestly, yeah, and I'm surprised that I'm saying
Speaker 1: that out loud, but it has. But again, it's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ifs. If Sean Lee can stay healthy,
Speaker 1: if Randy Gregory can contribute like he has so far,
Speaker 1: if Jalen Smith. It looks this way in the regular
Speaker 1: season Byron Jones too. We raved about him last preseason
Speaker 1: and it really didn't translate that well. Um. But if
Speaker 1: it all comes together, I think this could be one
Speaker 1: of the most dominant defenses in the league, as you're
Speaker 1: gonna say in the last few years by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But do I think all of those things will come together? No, something.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, somebody's gonna get hurt, somebody's gonna disappoint,
Speaker 1: and this will be a good defense. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna hit all of those benchmarks. I think this
Speaker 1: could be the best defense of Rod Marinelli's tenure here,
Speaker 1: which the bar is not that high, but I do
Speaker 1: think that could be true. What is good about this
Speaker 1: is Gregory in the sense of, if you were to
Speaker 1: get him on any other team and draft drafted him high,
Speaker 1: he'd have to play, you know, a certain amount of
Speaker 1: snaps to justify his position. But the fact that he
Speaker 1: was picked number sixty and then set out for two
Speaker 1: years now for an NFL suspension. Now if he comes
Speaker 1: back and you know, you had to get other guys
Speaker 1: in here, and it looks like Taco is pretty good
Speaker 1: and maybe Armstrong can help. And if all Gregory has
Speaker 1: to do is come in here on third and long
Speaker 1: and rush the passer, then that is what he's best at.
Speaker 1: If you have to sit there and play seventy snaps
Speaker 1: and he gets hit by a right tackle all game long,
Speaker 1: be different. But they're just asking him to come in
Speaker 1: here fresh and rush the rush the passer. That could
Speaker 1: be really good for him. What are your what are
Speaker 1: your badass defenses in the league right now? I remember,
Speaker 1: like you know, from from oh three to OZ nine,
Speaker 1: the Bears were always the first fantasy defense drafted, and
Speaker 1: then it was the Seahawks. I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: taking a dip now, but the Rams are going to
Speaker 1: be badass. The Bears, you don't know, Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: Marinelli Bears, they all, I mean, they were the fantasy
Speaker 1: gods mainly because they had Hester and Hester would they
Speaker 1: They scored points like Alway's business, a lot of they
Speaker 1: and a lot of it they did, had a lot
Speaker 1: of turnovers, you're right, But anyway, the Rams, the Vikings, Um,
Speaker 1: the Texans, the Broncos, ask who's the best? Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think the Vikings, the upper echelon the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are not there. They're not in that elite group,
Speaker 1: but it's totally plausible that they're in that nextier like
Speaker 1: some somewhere between six and twelve in terms of fantasy.
Speaker 1: About fantasy, though, I'm about using fantasy to illustrate, and
Speaker 1: the big difference there between I think fantasy and the
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys is the fact that they don't they
Speaker 1: don't get a lot of turnovers. Yeah, that's very and
Speaker 1: they don't score touchdowns off of them as well. Though
Speaker 1: the preseason with the speed that the crazy the speed,
Speaker 1: the speed on this defense is unreal. Jalen Thomas, Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas Cheeto, Um, I'm talking about the pick before you
Speaker 1: get in trouble on Twitter again and the interception by
Speaker 1: chet Yeah, what do you guys have to say? I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: it was a great, great interception, probably the best I've
Speaker 1: seen on the Cowboys for a lot. It was the
Speaker 1: best play that the Dallas defensive back has made in
Speaker 1: my time covering the team, which is five full seasons
Speaker 1: plus this preseason. Yeah, second best for me because it
Speaker 1: happened in the in the preseason. I think what Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath did against the Raiders was pretty good. Okay, well
Speaker 1: I'm just play. You're right. I shouldn't say best play.
Speaker 1: I should like best interception, yes, takeaway. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna want to fight me on this.
Speaker 1: But it's those types of plays of why and the
Speaker 1: body type that why people have thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: he's got safety skills because it's those ball hawking type plays. Now,
Speaker 1: not to say that a corner can't have them, because
Speaker 1: they haven't had the corners that can make those plays,
Speaker 1: but it's those types of reactionary plays go up and hype,
Speaker 1: point the ball and make a great play like that.
Speaker 1: That is why somebody has said, man, you take that
Speaker 1: with his body type, and this guy looks like a safety,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm with you to keep him at
Speaker 1: corner right now. But I can see why he's got
Speaker 1: those traits for it. I see the logic one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I'd just rather have two good cornerbacks than a good corner.
Speaker 1: You guys are right. If Jordan Lewis was making this
Speaker 1: interesting and like, if he was really pushing them, then
Speaker 1: it would make more sense, right, But he's not. He hasn't.
Speaker 1: Brown's a flag machine right now. Yeah, So I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, there's nobody that's the third cornerback that I
Speaker 1: feel like needs to be the number two for you
Speaker 1: to make that kind of move, keep those two cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in place. I agree. What about Duke, He's been nukes,
Speaker 1: been all right, he's been sign alright. He might make
Speaker 1: the team. I think, honestly, I think Duke should name
Speaker 1: might be your kick returner, especially with Thompson. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Duke. I'm I'm I got Duke on the
Speaker 1: team right now. When when you when you think about
Speaker 1: the injury to Xavier Woods and you think about, well,
Speaker 1: how long is it gonna be out? Two to four weeks?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the two I mean, look at guys like
Speaker 1: Deontay Thompson, speed guys like that. I mean, it's always
Speaker 1: later than that when it comes to hamstring injuries. So, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to bring these two conversations together. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break, but I want to bring these two
Speaker 1: conversations together. And I'm asked the question if all the
Speaker 1: things that Dave laid out all those questions, all those ifs.
Speaker 1: If all that works out, is safety a big enough
Speaker 1: issue that it can derel this defense. If all those
Speaker 1: other things work out, we'll do that when we come
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Speaker 1: You know, like y'all are the same place like Drake.
Speaker 1: When Drake won a Grammy, he did shots at it
Speaker 1: because it's a you know, it's like a cup and wish.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately the Emmy is not shaped that way, or I
Speaker 1: would have done the same. I'm sure you would have.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to it. We got one
Speaker 1: question we want to finalize here before the end of
Speaker 1: the show. I asked the question we've been talking in
Speaker 1: the first segment about the safety position and what was
Speaker 1: going on there. In the second segment, we talked about
Speaker 1: this defense. You guys laid out a lot of different
Speaker 1: ifs and question marks and all the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that could derail this defense. But let's assume for a
Speaker 1: second that all that works out. Let's assume for a
Speaker 1: second that Jalen really is what he's been in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Let assume Byron is what he is. Let's assume that
Speaker 1: that average player into Marcus Lawrence ends up being a
Speaker 1: great player again this year. Let's assume all that works
Speaker 1: out right is safety. A big enough position does hold
Speaker 1: enough potential problems that if they can't fix the safety position,
Speaker 1: it'll derail this defense from being a great defense to
Speaker 1: being just average or below. See. Yes, I really don't
Speaker 1: think so, honestly, And I'm hey you and I we
Speaker 1: go way back with this safety thing. But if everything
Speaker 1: you just said happens, I don't think it'll matter. I
Speaker 1: think that is a hole you can hide if everybody
Speaker 1: else is playing, Like if Jalen Smith is playing like
Speaker 1: a pro bowler, and Sean Lee, who was a first
Speaker 1: team All Pro when he's healthy, is available, and DeMarcus
Speaker 1: is doing his thing, and Greg like, if all that
Speaker 1: stuff is happening, I don't care. I mean, I'd love
Speaker 1: to have Earl Thomas, don't get me wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think you can plug in a serviceable player and be fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think the safety position will it could hurt him.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not buying that all those things are
Speaker 1: going to happen, because nothing from that's all that happened
Speaker 1: other than DeMarcus had a good a really good season.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing you can count on. But you
Speaker 1: can't really count on the fact that those two guys
Speaker 1: do it two years in a row. I mean, DeMarcus
Speaker 1: ware did it, and they haven't had a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like that. So I think if you don't have
Speaker 1: a guy back there that knows what he's doing and
Speaker 1: knows this team and this scheme, yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said before, all it takes is one you know,
Speaker 1: all I thought the guy was going here, I was
Speaker 1: going down, and I thought he had help and next thing,
Speaker 1: and we've seen how much just one player can affect
Speaker 1: the game if they're not playing good or if they're
Speaker 1: hurt or whatever. And that position specifically is one where
Speaker 1: you're basically on your own there unless your other guy
Speaker 1: comes in and helps you. But again, like just Nick
Speaker 1: pointed out, if you don't know where you're going or whatever,
Speaker 1: just one simple second mistake can really cost you a
Speaker 1: whole game. And it doesn't matter how much the offense
Speaker 1: is scoring. And that's another thing when you were talking
Speaker 1: about the defense. To me, last year, our defense wasn't horrible.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the greatest, but I thought they had some
Speaker 1: potential and they were doing some things that sadly or unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the offense wasn't able to take advantage of. So I
Speaker 1: think that if the offense is also able to move
Speaker 1: along and help the defense, that's gonna make a big
Speaker 1: difference as far as how great this defense can be.
Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We're going
Speaker 1: to be back tomorrow. Check the website for the time tomorrow.
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