WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Let's Talk Defense

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<v Speaker 1>The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Wall

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Tuesday, August twenty first, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number twenty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break,

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<v Speaker 1>live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome and well appreciate you guys take us some time

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<v Speaker 1>with us today to talk a little Cowboys football. How's

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<v Speaker 1>everybody great? Well? Good, awesome, Thanks awesome. Sorry for those

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<v Speaker 1>that delay. We were supposed to start a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>We had some technical difficulties. Our man can't got everything

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<v Speaker 1>back rolling. So appreciate you guys hanging out and waiting around.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we'll go ahead and get to it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk first about a couple signings the Cowboy had yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys get a safety. Anybody excited they signed Dominic Sanders? Cool? Cool?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you right? Don't don't do Dominic like that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't University of Georgia, Georgia. A lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of interceptions at Georgia Georgia. Yeah, like sixteen in

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<v Speaker 1>four years at three every year at least. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't actually know where he went after Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia signed him, cut him quickly. I think he was

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of teams. He bounced around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a camp body if there's ever been one,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is the guy to kind of feel

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, just practice basically, just just please go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and practice. So Tyree Robinson doesn't get every snap. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>They basically cut him right away, and then he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been with anyone I didn't think so. So, so are

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<v Speaker 1>they doing more because they still have an issue that

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly be here. If Xavier Woods they played, they

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<v Speaker 1>did more. Are they are doing more right now? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>They are. If the paperwork's not official. They are expected

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<v Speaker 1>to or are going to sign Jeron Johnson, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a classic veteran safety. He played with Chris Rochard in

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle for five years. He was like their third or

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<v Speaker 1>fourth safety there special teams. It kind of looking over

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<v Speaker 1>his resume, it sounds like he was their Cavon Frasier.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to kind of give you an idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. He played all sixteen games on their Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl teams. He spent the year with Washington, got hurt

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<v Speaker 1>in training camp last year and was out of football.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I read he was coaching high school when

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<v Speaker 1>they called him. So he I mean, he's a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a established veteran. Not a guy that I think you

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<v Speaker 1>should get excited about, but you think, but a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's thought as he can give you a week he's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to he's supposed to practice today, and yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll at least help you get through these two preseason

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<v Speaker 1>games if nothing else. Do you feel comfortable if I

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<v Speaker 1>have to asked the question? At this point, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>keep asking the questions. You do have to ask the question,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that's the thing that fans are sitting

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<v Speaker 1>out there listening right now, and they're like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear all that, But can this guy play week one?

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<v Speaker 1>If Xavier, if Xavier Woods isn't out let the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it, yes, can he play? Can he play well

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<v Speaker 1>enough that the Cowboys don't get torched? He might be

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<v Speaker 1>better than Xavier Woods that's the thing about Xavier. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what he's gonna do. I mean, he yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be decent. But when the lights come on

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<v Speaker 1>and you were the starting safety, I'm not sure you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know about him either. So that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just go find me a guy that you know about,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and then you know that as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we're touching on well, I know who you're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as far as I know, Georgia Loca is still

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<v Speaker 1>out there. I've heard, you know, the cowboys are interested,

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<v Speaker 1>but not that interested, which like that just in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's comes to us, if falls to us with

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<v Speaker 1>the right money, that's so cowboys like there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I fans ask me that and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to answer. I'm like, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>get it either. Yeah, I didn't get why they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want Tyron Matthew. I didn't get why they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>any of those other guys. It's not a scheme fit,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. I don't buy it. What about it? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any truth to the fact that he's similar to

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Reed? Oh, I don't I haven't looked that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Into it to be one hundred percent honest. Think that

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<v Speaker 1>might be a case with a loca there might, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think the other part too, twos you have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about is it seems to me, you guys, correct

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<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong, but seems to me that the theory,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the strategy around here for the last

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<v Speaker 1>several years is they just don't want to spend big

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<v Speaker 1>money in free agency. They look at it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>they look whatever the results. All I'm saying is it

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<v Speaker 1>disappears that and that's not something that they they look

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<v Speaker 1>at strategically as a good thing. They feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>want to home grow their talent rather than going down

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<v Speaker 1>spending in free a I understand, and they've done a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic job, like all of the important pieces of this

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<v Speaker 1>team are homegrown, and they've done a good job holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto him. But you got the money and it I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what may it's more than I think,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just doesn't sound like a bank breaking deal

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be done to get this guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>Tyron Matthews better than him and he signed on for

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<v Speaker 1>one year seven million. I mean really, so in developing guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a long term process. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get it done in one year. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>a few years to develop different guys at different position

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<v Speaker 1>and to build a full on team. It's also, to

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<v Speaker 1>quote a favorite phrase of football coaches everywhere, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>cutting time, like it's two weeks until the season. That's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, developing guys and not wanting to spend money

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<v Speaker 1>in free agencies for March now. It's like, we need

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who we trust isn't going to screw this up. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that we're not talking about. And I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to get your thoughts. But maybe they saw on

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<v Speaker 1>film what Cincinnati saw absolutely and that he is a

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<v Speaker 1>player that was pretty good for a while and last

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<v Speaker 1>year fell off, and they're like, we may take him

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<v Speaker 1>for a cheap amount, but we're not investing anymore because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think he's any better than Cavon Frazier one percent. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely right, Maybe they saw us. Maybe that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's actually true, like maybe he really isn't worth

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<v Speaker 1>the investment. But it's a rare situation. Like if we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about a wide receiver, I would get it

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<v Speaker 1>or or maybe even you know, an offensive lineman for

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<v Speaker 1>the back end of the depth chart. But look at

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<v Speaker 1>this team's safeties right now. Jeff Jeff Heath is a

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<v Speaker 1>great great is maybe overstating. I think Jeff Heath is

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<v Speaker 1>a really solid starter. I like him a lot. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, what you got you got? You have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. I've been saying that all offseason Cavan Fraser

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<v Speaker 1>and Xavier Woods might be future Pro Bowlers. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you know that right now? And one of them can't

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<v Speaker 1>play right now? I mean basically, so if your wide

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<v Speaker 1>receivers can't make plays, then you punt. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>running back can't you know, hit the hole, then then

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<v Speaker 1>your you know, your puntum. But if your left tackle

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<v Speaker 1>can't do his job, then the quarterback could get hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>And if your safety doesn't do his job, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five yard touchdown. So it's one of those positions

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<v Speaker 1>where if if you don't get it short up, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be really bad for you. And so, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you just know they're gonna do something. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of anti because it's like something's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't be this it's just not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be this, even the Cavon Frasier. It's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be Cavon Frasier. You think you're one hundred percent confident

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<v Speaker 1>of that that I could I can envision a scenario

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<v Speaker 1>where they just try to get through Ron Johnson and

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<v Speaker 1>Frasier just to maybe just hope, get hopefully and just

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<v Speaker 1>hope that Woods can be ready as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't even sound like Byron Jones is an option

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<v Speaker 1>which and then he shouldn't be. Honestly, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a short sighted, terrible decision. Well that he

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<v Speaker 1>has been sort of short sighted though, right, But but no,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would rather go there you were saying before,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're just gonna kind of piece me all that

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<v Speaker 1>thing for a week maybe two, and see what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do, rather than taking a guy that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>great at safety. I mean, he had issues at safety.

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<v Speaker 1>You get him the corner and he's actually showing signs

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<v Speaker 1>of being a really good player at corner, and now say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna slide you back to the safety. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a bad decision. Chris Richard yesterday, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he repeated it over and over Byron is the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I asked him, I'd dare to ask him

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<v Speaker 1>what about Cheeto since other people talk about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just looked at me straight in the eye and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, Cheeto, he's a corner. There we go, Okay, yes, good, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I asked him, I asked him, so how much

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<v Speaker 1>he is like your opinion? Like who makes the decision here?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you hear Steven Jones and the Jones and the question,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, asking or talking about, oh you have these

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<v Speaker 1>guys are flexible enough to play safety and corner. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're saying that these two guys are for sure corners,

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<v Speaker 1>then who really makes the decision? He looked at me

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<v Speaker 1>straight in the eye again and was just like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a team evaluation. We both got our input in

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<v Speaker 1>a very political answer, of course, But I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't sound political when he was saying for the

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<v Speaker 1>sixth time, Byron, He's like, it's a collaborative effort, but

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<v Speaker 1>I stood on the table when it comes to the secondary,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making the calls. Basically, what yeah, I can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that because that's not the way we roll around here,

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<v Speaker 1>but just know a corner, I would rather throw Derek

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the number twenty eight than moved by her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just saying I would rather a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an awful idea, and I like it better than

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move byer nrcheto like why I'm with that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. Those two guys have been two of

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<v Speaker 1>your most consistent players throughout training camp. Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>take a position that you feel pretty good about and

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like it could be a strength. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're gonna do in the regular season, but

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<v Speaker 1>could be a strength and turn into something that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a question and another point, And it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like it's gonna happen. So it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not worth getting into. But that idea sounded great before

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<v Speaker 1>we started practicing because you had Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>Those guys haven't looked good enough to give me that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of offidence in them. I've been I've actually been

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat disappointed by Jordan Lewis. I have not seen him

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<v Speaker 1>make kind of plays I thought he would make, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen him in some moments where he's gotten beat

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<v Speaker 1>a few times too, when I thought he probably would

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<v Speaker 1>be better. So I'm not I'm not in a rush

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<v Speaker 1>to get him in the in the start over one

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<v Speaker 1>of those two guys. I'm in a starting position over

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<v Speaker 1>one of those two guys. I'm intrigued by Nick though,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, I hope he's right. I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>they're planning on doing something more substantial with this position.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna be surprised if they're just like

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<v Speaker 1>Woods will be back for the Giants game and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, okay, all right, and they just go in

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<v Speaker 1>that game like hoping something. I don't know what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do, but I'm gonna be bad. But Amber is

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be very happy. The one thing I will

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<v Speaker 1>say that the third person, I'm a little I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little less concerned with that against Carolina than I would

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<v Speaker 1>be in Week two. If they if they feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they can go into that as long as you can tackle, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can probably get against a team like Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't look at their passing game and say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really really worried about what they can do in the

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<v Speaker 1>passing game. You get to New York, good luck with that,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a safety to be able to cover,

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<v Speaker 1>to cover the back end. Just remember who's in Carolina now,

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<v Speaker 1>d J Moore, the Goat. I hear you. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be his first NFL game. I'm feeling okay, I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too worried. I think he's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>great player, just like Michael Gallup. But I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not worried about him right now, you know, until they

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<v Speaker 1>show it, till that quarterback shows it that he consistently

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem when it comes to the passing game.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not as worried about that as him running. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an NFL MVP. I wonder what and he was a

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<v Speaker 1>great runner that year, great runner. I just wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>the hold up is? Like I'm really like, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the sticking point? Like what what draft pick or whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Like, what's the sticking point? It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there. You know that they you know they they're

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<v Speaker 1>probably talked on the phone this week, like it's there

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Honestly, honestly though, I mean think Nick, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been you know, I've never I think it's I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just you know, it's that's stubbornness, Like nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to blink. Everybody kind of knows this is what

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<v Speaker 1>we're willing to do. You know we're willing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not relent, but that should have changed

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<v Speaker 1>when your safety that you were had your fingers crossed

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<v Speaker 1>for went down with a hamstring injury of two to

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks. And if it's anything like the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys on this team four, that's absolutely the worst

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<v Speaker 1>time for it to change. If you're thinking about it

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<v Speaker 1>from the standpoint of a negotiation and being on the

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<v Speaker 1>positive end of a negotiation, that is the worst time

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<v Speaker 1>to panic because then you have no leverage. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>going with hat in hand saying I know we said

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<v Speaker 1>before that this is what we're willing to give up,

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<v Speaker 1>but we just lost our safety. And then like, you

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<v Speaker 1>have no leverage whatsoever, and I don't, I don't if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you had lost Xavier Woods for eight weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had lost Xavier Woods for the season, then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're in dire straits saying, I think they may

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<v Speaker 1>look at it as it may be one week of

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season. We have to deal with that. That

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<v Speaker 1>should make us panic So if you're a Seattle and

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<v Speaker 1>you're sitting there and you were willing to take a

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<v Speaker 1>second round pick all along, and the Cowboys are like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not doing it, and now they come back and say,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do a second round pick. Now you're gonna change

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna change your thought because of oh, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>more leverage. Maybe. Okay, Well then you just said and

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<v Speaker 1>just hang tight with them then, And I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think that's a that's the issue, then he just

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<v Speaker 1>keeps holding out. And I guess they don't really care,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because they know. I don't think the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>do either. I think the Cowboys look at it as

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to make this move right now, because

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<v Speaker 1>if they did, they would have made this move months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think they really look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't feel like we have to make a move

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<v Speaker 1>at our safety position right now, and we think we

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<v Speaker 1>got enough players where we can get through this season

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<v Speaker 1>and we think we can play well this season. That's

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<v Speaker 1>at least what they think, and that okay, if they didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have gotten him more. Think that way, then

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<v Speaker 1>they're wrong, okay in my opinion. Obviously, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on. They don't know. I mean, wait, you just

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<v Speaker 1>said they think they've got enough, that they've got the

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<v Speaker 1>right players here. They don't. They're hiring guys out of

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<v Speaker 1>like pe class and saying, please come safety for him. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why they're happened to please come safety, that's good,

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<v Speaker 1>But no, the reason why they're doing that because Xavier

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<v Speaker 1>Woods is out for two to four weeks. My point is,

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<v Speaker 1>and he might be kpe I might stand that, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are willing. They are willing so far their action show,

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<v Speaker 1>they are willing to give it a shot and see

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<v Speaker 1>if he can be what they drafted him to be. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, they would have done something long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>There were how many day how many weeks did you

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<v Speaker 1>come in this show and say, there's about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>safety sitting over there on the free agency pile if

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<v Speaker 1>they want to just go grab one of them, like

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<v Speaker 1>there were a number of Yeah, but you got a

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<v Speaker 1>new coach who in your mind you're thinking, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy can do magic here and develop certain guys and

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<v Speaker 1>turn him into something great. And yes he is a

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<v Speaker 1>great coach, and yes he's doing that with a few guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't always work. Out with every single guy.

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<v Speaker 1>There are exceptions. Now as far as safety, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no depth there to begin with, and the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>were there not proven. So I mean, unless you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about other positions, let's say wide receiver, not the same story,

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<v Speaker 1>but still a position that they decided to really bring

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<v Speaker 1>in a ton of death there, and then they don't

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<v Speaker 1>do the same with a very very key position. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. All of you guys are making valid points,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. My point is they still don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that way, because if they did, they would have had

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<v Speaker 1>more safeties here. They didn't. I don't. I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that point because in April, May and June it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a scab and it was barely bleeding, so

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<v Speaker 1>the band aid was on it. But now your arm

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<v Speaker 1>is falling off, so now you need to do more

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<v Speaker 1>than that. It's not just the same situation it was before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you better get this thing wrapped up because it's

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<v Speaker 1>about to fall off. Okay, And once again, you're making

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<v Speaker 1>a great point. They are, but I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>anything that we've seen from them that suggests they agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. We set the record for long as Dave

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<v Speaker 1>is gone without talking enjoying the show, looking back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth like a point point lounging here, Eric looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a cornered animal, and I mean it's like, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>the point. I agree with a lot of their points,

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<v Speaker 1>but the team is not coming here with your points.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to Texas Player. I've been you know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to my office's ever been many since the first

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<v Speaker 1>time this all came up. It's been something I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to see. But I don't think the cowboys, the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are making the decisions, I don't think they see

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<v Speaker 1>this in the way you guys see it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like my stance here, like my chips have been all

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<v Speaker 1>right there the whole time. And I'm sitting here on

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<v Speaker 1>like four to seven, so I'm just like hoping that man,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm actually sitting on like a two nine. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting four sevens is like a really good hand, isn't it? No,

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<v Speaker 1>four seven I'm playing hold them? Oh sorry, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't play poker, So I'm I was thinking of saything

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<v Speaker 1>like four seven, that's good. I'm actually sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>two and a nine, That's what I'm sitting on, two

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<v Speaker 1>and a nine and hoping that there's other two's and nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Thomas is twenty nine. If you got that, Oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even put that together. I just I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any I have no reason whatsoever to think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is happening. This is pure speculation on my part.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard any whispers. But I just love the

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<v Speaker 1>thought of like Chris Richard walking into the staff meeting

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<v Speaker 1>and just being like, what what do I gotta do? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>are y'all kidding me right now? Just pick up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone to quote Travis Scott, just go pick up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone and call him and get my guy here. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not even practicing right now. I just that's a fun

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<v Speaker 1>mental image for me. All Right, we're gonna take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems so intense too. They were like, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, it would it would be like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of tenser than that. And Jason's like, um, we got him.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's that? Earl? We finally, well about time? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he like goes in there to his meeting and starts working.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, he's so intense. IM just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a great head coach. I really don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to think. Well, I don't think it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll happen next year when he's a free agent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think is gonna happen. That's personal belief. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever does this after whoever sits here for hanging the

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<v Speaker 1>nasty thing, huh hanging with the boys, maid, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. No, No, Shannon's here and Nates over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Kerr definitely. All right, let's take a first break. When

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're going to get to talking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the defense. We didn't get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the defense yesterday because we spend so

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<v Speaker 1>much time on the offense. We did already cover the secondary,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are going to talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>that defensive line and the linebackers, which I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>right now, My player right now that I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the Wreck documentary. Yeah, but I'm you guys are the

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<v Speaker 1>guys I want to celebrate right now. You guys did

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<v Speaker 1>the program, with Dak himself there, and just kind of

0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 1>talked about this love affair between Dak and that city

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.679
<v Speaker 1>and that university. And I thought it came out really well,

0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and obviously the voters with the Emmys also thought it

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.080
<v Speaker 1>came out really well, and you guys got rewarded last

0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.880
<v Speaker 1>night for really great work. So great work to you guys, Congratulations, Thanks,

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 1>super super duper rewarding experience. All praise on the high

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.240
<v Speaker 1>to Kent the Magic Man. Awesome back there, Man, You're incredible,

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:05.040
<v Speaker 1>love you. Yeah, it was. It was a really cool experience.

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yeah. And to the guys that did the

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.880
<v Speaker 1>year in special, that was the other win we got

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 1>last night. Kevin Timmins and Mike Marshall put together a

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 1>really great year end show. For those that didn't see it,

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.719
<v Speaker 1>we had Michael Irvin and Moose and Nate and they

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.639
<v Speaker 1>were all doing kind of some roundtable type discussions and

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.440
<v Speaker 1>then you can imagine those guys and doing a discussion

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.879
<v Speaker 1>on the Cowboys after what happened last year. It was

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty good stuff, and again the voters thought it was

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>worthy of an Emmy and so they got that Emmy award.

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 1>So really really great work, Very very proud. We had

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of nomination. We had seven nominations last night,

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>so even for the guys that that didn't get the wins,

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 1>it just it speaks a lot. It speaks volumes about

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 1>this team and the amount of creativity and hard work

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that goes and what we're doing. I'm very proud of

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you guys. You guys do awesome job every single day.

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>So thinks, all right, man, let's move on. Let's talk defense.

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk defense. I am. We just did that for

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole first second. We did. We did. But now

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna switch to a couple other positions on the defense,

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and we'll start with another signing. Cowboys pick up a

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>defensive tackle, Karan Read. Dave you said in the break

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that this was a player that you guys studied during

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the draft and that the Cowboys had some interest or yeah,

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I liked a little bit. Well, it's funny. I literally

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 1>had the thought yesterday. I didn't go to Jason Garrets

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.479
<v Speaker 1>press conference, I didn't go to practice because we had

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the Emmys, and I even thought to myself, I was like, big,

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.400
<v Speaker 1>big deal, it's one day, Like what are you gonna miss?

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.719
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I know it's a minor signing. But

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I got back to work and was like, holy crap.

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.600
<v Speaker 1>They signed Karan Read. I remember him. He was in

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the twenty fourteen draft. Actually, he was in the same

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>draft class as coney Eally. He's a fifth round pick.

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 1>He's not like this blue chip guy, but I remember

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like he was intriguing. He's a big space eating one technique,

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.239
<v Speaker 1>the type of guy that we always talk about. They

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>never seemed like they have, so I'm it's a name

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that stands out. I remember they had some interest him

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 1>in him during that draft cycle, which is probably why

0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 1>he's here if I had to guess, very similar to

0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 1>why they signed coney Eally. So I doubt he makes

0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the team, just because most guys who signed on this

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Leaden camp don't. But it's something to keep an eye

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>on in these last few practices for sure. You know,

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that he's got a pretty good chance to

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:10.360
<v Speaker 1>actually to make the team. I feel like Tyrone Crawford

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 1>now is just a tackle. I mean, I don't think

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be playing a whole lot of end. I

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>think that the emergence of Dorn's Armstrong and Taco playing

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty well, and Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence on top

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of that, I think that the Crawford just makes more

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>sense when you're talking about getting your best rushers and

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>your best lineman there. I'm not saying he won't play

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>any end, but for the most part, I would imagine

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>he's going to play a lot of tackle and by

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>doing that it might squeeze jahad Ward out the door

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and keeping your one techniques And you know, I don't

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>know if it's gonna be a battle between Brian Price

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 1>and Daytona Jones who's banged up. That that's another thing.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 1>He's banged up. And then you got Antoine Woods, who's

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a good point. I'm not saying he's fallen off. He

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>just haven't heard a whole lot from him. But then again,

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you're not watching one on ones all the time like

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you were. I mean, that's where Antoine Woods was making

0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 1>his his you know, his presence felt so m On

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a related note, and Jerry, you know we're back. I

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 1>guess we're back on the football schedule because Jerry Jones

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>spoke on the radio this morning, which is a football

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>season thing. Um. He said that they hope MALIEK Collins

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>will be ready for Carolina. Forgot and I totally forgot

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>about Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good forget because

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>he certainly will be in the mix. Absolutely not starting.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll assume he started. Who's your three techniques? Then him

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and well, I hope craw Crawford's making the team, so

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 1>he's great, him and Crawford, and then you just figure

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>out your one. Give give me a guy who can

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>play one so that Malik doesn't have to let me

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>throw another thing into the mix. I don't say David Irving.

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, week five, how does that change

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>or does it don't do that? I was gonna say

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Irving won't play again, But I've already been there on

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that right, there's always there's always a good will play

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>again because he needs a crude season. He's gonna play

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like Antoine Woods is going to have a half sack

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>against the Panthers, and somebody's gonna call us and be like,

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 1>what are they gonna do to get Irving on the teams?

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 1>And it always takes care of it, and all that

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>question was not about getting him on the team. You

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>can find that, Like, You're right, there's gonna be some

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>way to figure that out. I'm talking about from a

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>depth standpoint and from snap standpoint. If those two guys

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>are playing three, is David Irving a one technique? I mean,

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>where do you where do you use him? What happens

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>with those other guys? Do you move a league back

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to a one technique or David Irving's a football player

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>on it, like, put put him on the line wherever

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you put I'll play him at end. I don't care.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's better at tackle, but just put

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 1>him out there. If they remember the other day we

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 1>were really struggling about more are they gonna do between

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Brian Price and Antoine Woods and John Ward and Dayton

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Jones and the Cowboys said we hear all of that,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna go get Karen Read. So they don't

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>feel strongly about some of those guys. I'm not saying

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>all of them, but there's a couple of guys in

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>there that they just don't feel good about. Good point.

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>They honest may believe, hey, we got a just a

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>bunch of guys, got a bunch of guys. We don't

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>have anybody who think it's gonna really stand out, and

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>they're just kind of searching it this if I had,

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sorry ahead, I was just saying he

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>played for the Lions to year four years ago. That's

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>who drafted him. Yeah, and I was, you know, about

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to I was writing the story and I was about

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>to be like he played with Marinelli for you know,

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>under Marinellian and realized this was his sixth year. That

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed like that's gone by fast Rod. Marinelli's six years,

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like a long time. He's been here the whole time.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I have like I've never known a Dallas defense that

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have me. I didn't think about it like that.

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Yeah, um time, so no one. Oh but Ward,

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Ward and Jones were your starters like all through the

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>spring and up intil the first week of training camp,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and if I had to put money on it, I

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>would still pick them to make the fifty three. But like,

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't feel good about it. I don't think

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>you could call that a lock by any strings. Ward

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>seems like it's just been Yah knows that. Ivan, You're

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>not wrong. All right, let's talk. Let's talk about this

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>defense overall. Um, during the first and Dabut and I

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this the other day, it's hard to

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to sometimes still know what the offense. We kind of said, okay,

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the first team was out there for this number of possessions.

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>It's been a little bit different on the defense because

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they've kind of had this mixing of first and second

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 1>team players throughout the preseason, even early in games. But

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>if you want to kind of just get an idea,

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty much, you look at these two games. Defense is

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>given up a touchdown in basically four quarters of football,

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>which to me sounds like a you know, I'll take

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that all day? Right? How much you guys buying into

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the idea that maybe this defense is going to turn

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the corner this year and may have because if you

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>think about it the traditional what you've always heard about defenses,

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>If you can get a really good player, a player

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>that makes a difference on each of the three levels,

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>then you're onto something, right And you start looking at

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>right now what they got at defense. On the defensive line, particularly,

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you got Tank Lawrence. He's the best player on that unit.

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You look at the linebackers. I personally believe Jalen's gonna

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>be your best linebacker this year. But you've got Sean

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Lee there at middle linebacker. I'm sorry, we can week

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>side linebacker. Are you saying that because you don't think

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Sean's gonna play all sixteen games? Don't? I don't know

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>if I buy into the fact you'll play all sixteen games,

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and I think Jalen will. And then you look at

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the cornerbacks right now, in the cornerbacks again, for what

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>we see at this moment, are playing really really well.

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you buying into the idea that this defense may

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>turn the corner this year and actually be the better

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>unit and not just kind of hey keep him off

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>feel as long as possible. The same argument and discussion

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that you guys had on the break on the beat,

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>on the beat, no sorry, when we were coming off

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the break, and then it into the beat that was

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>very clearly about DeMarcus Florence. Yes, that was specific, and

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the and the point that I was making was is

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can have it. I don't think

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>this this defense will be great if you don't have

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>a great player. You gotta have a great player or two.

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>And you don't call DeMarcus Arms a great player. Well,

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I think he had a great season. You don't call

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus Arms a great man now, and neither of the

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys or they would have signed him to a long

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>term of seventeen million dollars. That says he's a great

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>player to them for right, now they're right. No, they

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>are renting a but don't don't want it. You don't

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>rint You don't rent an average player for seventeen million dollars.

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>You really got the average? See that that's the that's

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.479
<v Speaker 1>what keeps getting changed. I didn't say average. I never

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>said average, which I said that he's good, he's really

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>You don't read a good player for seventeen million dollars,

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't. I don't think a good place. I don't

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 1>think a great player has only done it once out

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of what three years. You don't franchise guys that are

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>just rock solid, just you locks. You don't. Well, Aaron

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Donald got franchise. Why is he on the third one?

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean clearly, the Rams clearly, for whatever reason, aren't sold.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>He's the best defensive tag one football. Aren't they paying

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>him that money? They're not paying I think again, you

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>look at the NFL. Teams have invested interests in franchising

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>because they can keep pushing it out. They're willing to

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>pay that one year deal because in football, as we

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>all know, injuries come and you never know when that

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>injury is gonna come. And so if you can just

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>keep paying just one year deals, it's worth it pay

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>even more. Okay, they are getting kind of sidetracked on

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>on on what we're trying to say here. Let's let's

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about the defense. Okay. I think it comes down

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to five second round picks. Okay, you have five of them.

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>If three of them can be really really good, too great,

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>then you can have a good defense. And you've got

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Sean Lee De Marcus, Lawrence Cheeto, Randy Gregory, and Jalen Smith.

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>If you get those guys, and three of those five

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>were top fifteen players and they fell for different reasons

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>on their board, fell for different reasons. If you can

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>get wildcard plays, especially out of Gregory and Jalen Smith,

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>then this defense can be great. It really can be

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>if these two guys and they're the wildcards. But you

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>need those other second round picks to be good. I mean,

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>there are a ton of if It's no doubt about it.

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>There's a ton of ifs when you talk about this.

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But but they had to build this team thinking Jalen

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>may not come back, and they had to build this

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>team thinking Randy Gregory will not play again. And now

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>this surprise, they're here. So they can come into this

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>situation and if they do. If and if Gregory plays

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>anywhere close to his college potential, and same for Jalen Smith,

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>then yes, this defense can be really good, especially if

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Shaun Lee can stay healthy. Might be the biggest if

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of all. That's and I'm trying to think of a

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>way to say it because I've been so stupidly impressed

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>by this defense all preseason. But it can be fools

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>gold to a degree. It just that's just the way

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>this works. That then sixteen Detroit Lions went four o

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in the preseason, Like that's that stuff was also good

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>start because they have known you want to lose preseason games,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>good teams lose preseason you want to win the first half. Yeah,

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and well, and that's they look incredible. Honestly, I was

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>following up on this Jeron Johnson News and I had

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>a conversation with somebody over there that was just like

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>we're just kind of bs and about, you know, the

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>preseason and how things have looked, and they're just like,

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>this defense looks crazy good, don't you think? And I

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, honestly, yeah, and I'm surprised that I'm saying

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that out loud, but it has. But again, it's there's

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ifs. If Sean Lee can stay healthy,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>if Randy Gregory can contribute like he has so far,

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>if Jalen Smith. It looks this way in the regular

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>season Byron Jones too. We raved about him last preseason

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and it really didn't translate that well. Um. But if

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it all comes together, I think this could be one

0:32:55.360 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>of the most dominant defenses in the league, as you're

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna say in the last few years by the Cowboys.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>But do I think all of those things will come together? No, something.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, somebody's gonna get hurt, somebody's gonna disappoint,

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and this will be a good defense. I don't think

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna hit all of those benchmarks. I think this

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>could be the best defense of Rod Marinelli's tenure here,

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.719
<v Speaker 1>which the bar is not that high, but I do

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>think that could be true. What is good about this

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>is Gregory in the sense of, if you were to

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>get him on any other team and draft drafted him high,

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>he'd have to play, you know, a certain amount of

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>snaps to justify his position. But the fact that he

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>was picked number sixty and then set out for two

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>years now for an NFL suspension. Now if he comes

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>back and you know, you had to get other guys

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in here, and it looks like Taco is pretty good

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Armstrong can help. And if all Gregory has

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to do is come in here on third and long

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and rush the passer, then that is what he's best at.

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>If you have to sit there and play seventy snaps

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and he gets hit by a right tackle all game long,

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.239
<v Speaker 1>be different. But they're just asking him to come in

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>here fresh and rush the rush the passer. That could

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>be really good for him. What are your what are

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 1>your badass defenses in the league right now? I remember,

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.280
<v Speaker 1>like you know, from from oh three to OZ nine,

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the Bears were always the first fantasy defense drafted, and

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>then it was the Seahawks. I think they're kind of

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>taking a dip now, but the Rams are going to

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>be badass. The Bears, you don't know, Yeah, like the

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Marinelli Bears, they all, I mean, they were the fantasy

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>gods mainly because they had Hester and Hester would they

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>They scored points like Alway's business, a lot of they

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it they did, had a lot

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of turnovers, you're right, But anyway, the Rams, the Vikings, Um,

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the Texans, the Broncos, ask who's the best? Right now,

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying I think the Vikings, the upper echelon the

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys are not there. They're not in that elite group,

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's totally plausible that they're in that nextier like

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 1>some somewhere between six and twelve in terms of fantasy.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>About fantasy, though, I'm about using fantasy to illustrate, and

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the big difference there between I think fantasy and the

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and the Cowboys is the fact that they don't they

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 1>don't get a lot of turnovers. Yeah, that's very and

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>they don't score touchdowns off of them as well. Though

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the preseason with the speed that the crazy the speed,

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the speed on this defense is unreal. Jalen Thomas, Joe

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Cheeto, Um, I'm talking about the pick before you

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>get in trouble on Twitter again and the interception by

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>chet Yeah, what do you guys have to say? I mean, obviously,

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it was a great, great interception, probably the best I've

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>seen on the Cowboys for a lot. It was the

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>best play that the Dallas defensive back has made in

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>my time covering the team, which is five full seasons

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>plus this preseason. Yeah, second best for me because it

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 1>happened in the in the preseason. I think what Jeff

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Heath did against the Raiders was pretty good. Okay, well

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just play. You're right. I shouldn't say best play.

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 1>I should like best interception, yes, takeaway. Yeah, you know,

0:35:58.520 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>you guys are gonna want to fight me on this.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 1>But it's those types of plays of why and the

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 1>body type that why people have thought, you know what,

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>he's got safety skills because it's those ball hawking type plays. Now,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>not to say that a corner can't have them, because

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:13.959
<v Speaker 1>they haven't had the corners that can make those plays,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 1>but it's those types of reactionary plays go up and hype,

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>point the ball and make a great play like that.

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 1>That is why somebody has said, man, you take that

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>with his body type, and this guy looks like a safety,

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. So I'm with you to keep him at

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>corner right now. But I can see why he's got

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>those traits for it. I see the logic one hundred percent.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd just rather have two good cornerbacks than a good corner.

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You guys are right. If Jordan Lewis was making this

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>interesting and like, if he was really pushing them, then

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 1>it would make more sense, right, But he's not. He hasn't.

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Brown's a flag machine right now. Yeah, So I mean,

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>right now, there's nobody that's the third cornerback that I

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like needs to be the number two for you

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to make that kind of move, keep those two cornerbacks

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in place. I agree. What about Duke, He's been nukes,

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>been all right, he's been sign alright. He might make

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the team. I think, honestly, I think Duke should name

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>might be your kick returner, especially with Thompson. Yeah, you know,

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I think Duke. I'm I'm I got Duke on the

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>team right now. When when you when you think about

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the injury to Xavier Woods and you think about, well,

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>how long is it gonna be out? Two to four weeks?

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the two I mean, look at guys like

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Deontay Thompson, speed guys like that. I mean, it's always

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>later than that when it comes to hamstring injuries. So, okay,

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 1>I want to bring these two conversations together. We're gonna

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>take a break, but I want to bring these two

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>conversations together. And I'm asked the question if all the

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>things that Dave laid out all those questions, all those ifs.

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>If all that works out, is safety a big enough

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>issue that it can derel this defense. If all those

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>other things work out, we'll do that when we come

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<v Speaker 1>to the final segment of The Breaklock from the s

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<v Speaker 1>WBC Morgan Studios at the Star. I'm really enjoying the

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>conversation today. Thank you guys. It's really good. Really all right, Dave,

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>give me in So I and Kent and Taylor. We

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 1>won an Emmy last night, and I after I made

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 1>sure with you that I didn't need to be at

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>work early. Yes, I celebrated it. I poured a few drinks,

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and so I woke up this morning. I wasn't feeling

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>my best. I mean, I was feeling great because of

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the you know, you want an Emmy, but I wasn't

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>feeling my best. And I was like, how can I

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 1>combat this feeling? I know, I'll put on my Tommy John.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I did. I changed into a fresh

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>pair of Tommy John underwear so comfortable. So yes, Nick,

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, I'm waiting for you to finish just so,

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I immediately, like my mood increased by like three

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>levels as soon as I got done getting dressed. I

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, rewind back a few hours and the Emmy

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>for the Best Uh Documentary goes to and then Dave realizes,

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not wearing Tommy John's because I'm really I'm so

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>nervous right now that I don't want to mess up

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>this pair that I have. So I'm not wearing Tommy

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>John too the thing. But if we win and I

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>get excited, then tomorrow I will Sure I did you

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>know that? I don't know that. I'm just guessing. He

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't so nervous. He didn't want to mess up a

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>good pair. I didn't think. I did not think to

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>put on my Tommy John before the show last night.

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh so I was uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable all the way.

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Does Yeah, No, it wasn't good, but so uh go

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<v Speaker 1>too can feel great when you put your underwear on.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Rumor has it Rumor has it that Dave may Or

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:20.919
<v Speaker 1>may not have been seen in a bar last night

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>with his trophy. I literally my best friend in the

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 1>whole world, Meg Murray, came out with me to celebrate,

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, am I a douche if I

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>bring this to into the bar and she was like, absolutely,

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:35.919
<v Speaker 1>but you want an Emmy who cares go for it. Yeah,

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>so that's what I did. That's the best thing. That

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>was awesome story I've ever heard. That's awesome. Same thing

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I've been fun or to drink for her. It's great,

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>an awesome time for her. Yeah, let it take a

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>little sip for supper in. Yeah, that's good if it was.

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, like y'all are the same place like Drake.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>When Drake won a Grammy, he did shots at it

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.879
<v Speaker 1>because it's a you know, it's like a cup and wish.

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately the Emmy is not shaped that way, or I

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>would have done the same. I'm sure you would have.

0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get back to it. We got one

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>question we want to finalize here before the end of

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the show. I asked the question we've been talking in

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the first segment about the safety position and what was

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>going on there. In the second segment, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this defense. You guys laid out a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>ifs and question marks and all the kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>that could derail this defense. But let's assume for a

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<v Speaker 1>second that all that works out. Let's assume for a

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<v Speaker 1>second that Jalen really is what he's been in the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Let assume Byron is what he is. Let's assume that

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<v Speaker 1>that average player into Marcus Lawrence ends up being a

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<v Speaker 1>great player again this year. Let's assume all that works

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<v Speaker 1>out right is safety. A big enough position does hold

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<v Speaker 1>enough potential problems that if they can't fix the safety position,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll derail this defense from being a great defense to

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<v Speaker 1>being just average or below. See. Yes, I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so, honestly, And I'm hey you and I we

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<v Speaker 1>go way back with this safety thing. But if everything

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<v Speaker 1>you just said happens, I don't think it'll matter. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is a hole you can hide if everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else is playing, Like if Jalen Smith is playing like

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<v Speaker 1>a pro bowler, and Sean Lee, who was a first

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<v Speaker 1>team All Pro when he's healthy, is available, and DeMarcus

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<v Speaker 1>is doing his thing, and Greg like, if all that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is happening, I don't care. I mean, I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to have Earl Thomas, don't get me wrong, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can plug in a serviceable player and be fine. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think the safety position will it could hurt him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not buying that all those things are

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen, because nothing from that's all that happened

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<v Speaker 1>other than DeMarcus had a good a really good season.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing you can count on. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can't really count on the fact that those two guys

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<v Speaker 1>do it two years in a row. I mean, DeMarcus

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<v Speaker 1>ware did it, and they haven't had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>guys like that. So I think if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a guy back there that knows what he's doing and

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<v Speaker 1>knows this team and this scheme, yeah, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said before, all it takes is one you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all I thought the guy was going here, I was

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<v Speaker 1>going down, and I thought he had help and next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've seen how much just one player can affect

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<v Speaker 1>the game if they're not playing good or if they're

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<v Speaker 1>hurt or whatever. And that position specifically is one where

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically on your own there unless your other guy

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<v Speaker 1>comes in and helps you. But again, like just Nick

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, if you don't know where you're going or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>just one simple second mistake can really cost you a

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<v Speaker 1>whole game. And it doesn't matter how much the offense

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<v Speaker 1>is scoring. And that's another thing when you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the defense. To me, last year, our defense wasn't horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the greatest, but I thought they had some

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<v Speaker 1>potential and they were doing some things that sadly or unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the offense wasn't able to take advantage of. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that if the offense is also able to move

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<v Speaker 1>along and help the defense, that's gonna make a big

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<v Speaker 1>difference as far as how great this defense can be.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be back tomorrow. Check the website for the time tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a little bit of a different

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<v Speaker 1>schedule to Borrow and Thursday, but it makes you check

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<v Speaker 1>the website. But let you know what time we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on. Jailing for Nicky and David Helmet, amber

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