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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margat Kiljoy and my guest today it's propw.
Speaker 3: Are you hey excited to hear about somebody group of
Speaker 3: people that did cool things in this Black History Month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna do some really fucking cool things, some
Speaker 2: really cool stuff. Yeah. And our producer is Sophie Just kidding,
Speaker 2: I mean well, Sophie star producer.
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Speaker 2: Our theme musical was written for Spy on Woman and
Speaker 2: this is the three parter. I am really impressed by
Speaker 2: any listener who's starting with part three. Your brain works
Speaker 2: differently than mine, you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a wild, a wild choice. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like you know what that is. I feels like
Speaker 3: first born energy of like I am not going back
Speaker 3: to No, this is where we are, and like what
Speaker 3: you I'm telling you, if you just go back to
Speaker 3: part one and two, it may make no, I already
Speaker 3: started it. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2: I think that's a very accurate I could say this
Speaker 2: as the youngest, like yeah, yeah, no, I'm the youngest too,
Speaker 2: that's why I yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally yeah, just like watching my sister and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, I really think there's a better way for
Speaker 3: us to do this.
Speaker 2: And then well, the youngest we get to be the
Speaker 2: most adventurouses we feel the least responsible.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: But in parts one and two, for anyone who didn't listen,
Speaker 2: or for people who want the catching up, we talked
Speaker 2: about the history of Sandomong as the French colony was
Speaker 2: called the western half of the island now Haiti, and
Speaker 2: we talked about the religion Vodom, and we talked a
Speaker 2: lot about how that led to a bunch of uprisings.
Speaker 2: We talked about a guy named Macndahl who history and
Speaker 2: legend has as a mass poisoner, but it was probably
Speaker 2: still really interesting living outside the system, doing his own
Speaker 2: thing with his followers and then got burned at the stake.
Speaker 2: And then and this part actually feels at least as
Speaker 2: true as anything else, he cheated death, turned into a mosquito,
Speaker 2: and later basically wiped out all the invading armies.
Speaker 3: So bit a bunch of booties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's how you get things done, you know.
Speaker 2: So the thing is setting one guy on fire for
Speaker 2: a witchcraft doesn't actually end the hysteria. Even though the
Speaker 2: colonial authorities were like, we have caught all the ring leaders,
Speaker 2: for decades after enslave people kept getting caught up in
Speaker 2: basically an inquisition. Slavers kept torturing enslaved people into false confessions.
Speaker 2: So this is why there's like evidence about all this
Speaker 2: poisons that we have all these confessions. They were like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drown this guy in front of you, So
Speaker 2: what are.
Speaker 4: You going to do about that? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so people were getting like burned alive and
Speaker 2: drowned and all the stuff. You go from alive to
Speaker 2: dead in the worst possible ways, and they were being
Speaker 2: called Mackandall's in the seventeen seventies, so like fifteen years.
Speaker 4: After that guy died.
Speaker 2: Wow, the fear of poison and the persecution. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how deep this went. The persecution of supposed poisoners
Speaker 2: was a huge part of colonial life, just like everyday
Speaker 2: life for decades people were just like, oh, the voodoo
Speaker 2: in the woods, and also they're all going to poison us,
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, the vodoo in the woods is real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just a religion. People are doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very much. The Dei of its time. It's
Speaker 3: just gonna come kill us.
Speaker 2: There are so many weird overlaps with today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've always been really fascinated by the Haitian Revolution because
Speaker 2: of how it ties into us abolitionism and stuff. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize just how much as a hopeful version of
Speaker 2: what we're looking at right now, like because usually you
Speaker 2: look at like, oh some well, we'll get to it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about it as but one of the
Speaker 2: first weird overlaps of the modern times. You know what
Speaker 2: the colonists were doing. They were vaccine denying. They are
Speaker 2: the first anti vax people in the history of the world.
Speaker 2: I mean other people are probably doing it at the
Speaker 2: same time, but this is before vaccines. Because one of
Speaker 2: the histories of vaccines is you have smallpox right just
Speaker 2: going around killing everyone, and people figured out, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if we take the tiniest bit of smallpox, we can
Speaker 2: inoculate ourselves and survive and smart people were like, all right,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do that. But most of the colonists were like, no,
Speaker 2: people aren't dying of smallpox. People are dying of poison
Speaker 2: because the black people are poisoning everyone.
Speaker 3: That's what these bumps are. It's the bumps they working
Speaker 3: the roots on you. Oh man yo QAnon COVID head ass.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, COVID is fake and China gave it
Speaker 3: to us word.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, got hi one all right, yes, yeah both yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think this is so so special and like for
Speaker 3: a number of reasons, because it's like, all right, first
Speaker 3: of all, to your point, for someone to say, to
Speaker 3: cure this horrible disease, I just need to take a
Speaker 3: little bit of that disease and put it on me.
Speaker 3: It sounds absurd, like you know, it's true. It sounds
Speaker 3: upshurd off the top where I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, fam, that's sound the wait, but I
Speaker 3: don't have it, so you're gonna give it to me?
Speaker 2: Like yes, so stay away from me.
Speaker 3: I thought I should stay away from you. But to
Speaker 3: go from that to well, obviously it's they gotta they
Speaker 3: got dolls with nail in it, and the nails, like,
Speaker 3: that's what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so much more realistic.
Speaker 3: That's so much more realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so doctors and scientists and all the people
Speaker 2: were actually like paying attention to what was going on,
Speaker 2: kept telling everyone it wasn't even just like like you
Speaker 2: kind of have this thing where the colonial authorities are
Speaker 2: a little bit like, hey, could y'all stop being a
Speaker 2: bunch of idiots, and everyone's like, no, we will not.
Speaker 3: You're not here, you don't see what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, So small boxes running rampant. Some
Speaker 2: people are starting to inoculate themselves and then also inoculate
Speaker 2: the people.
Speaker 4: That they own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of people are ignoring all that
Speaker 2: and blaming black people. And then the other thing that
Speaker 2: was running rampant was anthrax. And I don't know a
Speaker 2: ton about anthrax. From my point of view. Anthrax is
Speaker 2: like a thing that gets mailed to people in the
Speaker 2: late nineties or early aughts or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some sort of some sort of band, Yeah that
Speaker 3: the racist white kids liked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally totally. And but anthrax is this, you know, disease,
Speaker 2: and that ye killing a lot of people specifically, is
Speaker 2: killing livestock populations, and it shouldn't have then killed any
Speaker 2: people because it would have just killed the animals. But
Speaker 2: instead the white people decided to starve all the black
Speaker 2: people to death, and so people were left with no
Speaker 2: food to.
Speaker 4: Eat besides infected meat.
Speaker 3: Smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it worked out really well for everyone, so
Speaker 2: quote that author John D.
Speaker 4: Garrigus.
Speaker 2: Although cases of human anthrax were rare in France, they
Speaker 2: were common in sant Dumong because the colony was designed
Speaker 2: to produce famine among the enslaved to save labor and land,
Speaker 2: planters and their agents routinely decided to buy food rather
Speaker 2: than produce their own. This maximized sugar profits and made
Speaker 2: their workers food supply vulnerable. Plantation life exposed enslaved people
Speaker 2: to anthrax in many ways. And again physicians were like,
Speaker 2: it's an epidemic of anthrax. We can dissect these animals
Speaker 2: and see, and slavers are like, nope, it's them, dastardly
Speaker 2: enslave people.
Speaker 3: They're putting the hecks on the beef.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, we're cursing the beef, got it, Yeah, the one
Speaker 3: that we're eating, like you, we cursed our own food.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so Basically, you have all these slavers being like, well,
Speaker 2: I want to kill one guy that I own in
Speaker 2: order to frighten everyone else to confessing into poison. Which works.
Speaker 2: You can get people to confess to poison if you
Speaker 2: kill their friend in front of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Other people in town were like, no, this is small
Speaker 2: pox and anthrox. We have we have the we have
Speaker 2: studies on this.
Speaker 3: It's happening everywhere else too, It's not just here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I don't think their voodoo's that powerful. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As the century winds down, slavers are getting worse and worse.
Speaker 2: You have these poison inquisitions and slave people are being
Speaker 2: buried alive. Saw Island continues to be Saw Island. To
Speaker 2: continue to not watch the Saw movies, but I continue
Speaker 2: this metaphor.
Speaker 3: You're not missing anything, Margaret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really the best I can tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not missing anything.
Speaker 2: As repression ramped up, there was two different groups that
Speaker 2: started trying to address that repression of enslaved people, and
Speaker 2: both of these actually ended up kind of paving the
Speaker 2: way for the revolution. And one of them is the courts. Okay,
Speaker 2: because we were talking earlier about how like the courts were like, hey,
Speaker 2: you can't treat enslaved people really bad. But then the yea,
Speaker 2: or rather France told the local courts, hey you can't
Speaker 2: do this, and the local courts are like, we don't care.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do whatever we want.
Speaker 2: And this led to this almost counter revolution. Like Okay,
Speaker 2: I've said a million times on the show, I consider
Speaker 2: the American Revolution of counter revolution. You have the white
Speaker 2: supremacist aristocracy against a like politically moderate monarchy. The white
Speaker 2: nationalists like George Washington spun a whole fairy tale about
Speaker 2: liberty in order to get poor whites to go die
Speaker 2: for the rich people, so American coluinists could invade the
Speaker 2: indigenous lands west of the Appalachians. And before the Haitian
Speaker 2: Revolution there was almost this same kind of thing. Colonists
Speaker 2: started getting mad at France telling them what to do
Speaker 2: because the colonists wanted to be even more racist.
Speaker 4: Than the mainland French people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you end up with these two revolutions
Speaker 2: kind of racing, like going side by side in opposition
Speaker 2: to each other. There is the white slavers, and not
Speaker 2: even all the slavers, but specifically the white ones and
Speaker 2: then you have the enslaved people. Sandomong was hit by
Speaker 2: a bunch of really hard times in the seventies. The
Speaker 2: seventeen seventies obviously. Yeah, I guess so lost in reading
Speaker 2: history books that I'm like, I know more about the
Speaker 2: seventeen seventies this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah than the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although that's it. I know an awful lot about
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. It's the twenty twenties I'm not caught
Speaker 2: up on, like.
Speaker 3: You still feel like do you feel like the seventies
Speaker 3: was thirty years ago? Still?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't, And I don't understand how could it
Speaker 2: not be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's fifty years.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think about how you're like listening to like,
Speaker 2: like in the nineties when I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 2: as a teenager, the classic rock was like weird old shit, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and like that shit is more recent than the shit
Speaker 2: I was listening to in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Like, man, when people go they're gonna put
Speaker 3: on old school hip hop and then they play like
Speaker 3: Wu Tang and I'm like, you mean run DMC, Like no, no,
Speaker 3: that's ancient. We mean Wu Tang and I'm like, oh dang.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I know, oh, any album that came
Speaker 2: out after I became an adult is new.
Speaker 3: That is the perfect way to put it. That is
Speaker 3: the perfect that's perfect. I'm just like, oh, yeah, it
Speaker 3: just happened, like remembering that two thousand was twenty five
Speaker 3: years ago. Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: What as the two oldest people at cool Zone the
Speaker 2: too old Yeah, yes, all right. So in the seventeen seventies,
Speaker 2: famine hit because the winter in France was so cold
Speaker 2: that the ports froze over, so food wasn't imported from there,
Speaker 2: and all of the sugar planters were like, we don't
Speaker 2: grow food, we only import food. And then seventeen seventy six,
Speaker 2: the British had that whole war with the colonies and
Speaker 2: they blockaded North America and this reduced the amount of
Speaker 2: food coming in even further. And so this is when
Speaker 2: you start having all the enslaved people literally digging up
Speaker 2: the animals that died of anthrax because they're starving to
Speaker 2: death day and the colonial administration in Haiti had to
Speaker 2: straight up order the planters to plant food, to allow
Speaker 2: the enslaved people to plant the food that they could eat. Themselves.
Speaker 2: But the planters refused that that was there, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a step too far. They're telling us that
Speaker 2: we have to let people grow food to feed themselves.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The court started offering really limited I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: play up how great the court was here, but it
Speaker 2: plays into the revolution. The court started offering really limited
Speaker 2: protections to enslave people, the tiniest amounts. At one point,
Speaker 2: ten enslave people showed up at court with burns all
Speaker 2: over their bodies from all the torture that they had faced,
Speaker 2: and the court was like, well, you do got to
Speaker 2: go back to your slaver, but we're gonna tell him
Speaker 2: that if any of you are killed or sold, he's
Speaker 2: in trouble.
Speaker 3: So dread Scott head ass. That is awful and also
Speaker 3: so familiar. Yeah, just yeah, lay that on so many things.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, listen, yeah, okay, man, I know he
Speaker 3: slapped the shit out of you, but I'm gonna tell him, Hey,
Speaker 3: next time you put your hands on that lady, we're coming. Yeah. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 3: thanks dude. Appreciated courts. Yeah, it feels so safe now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is too much for the slavers. They
Speaker 2: start rebelling against the colonial administration because of the slap
Speaker 2: on the wrists.
Speaker 3: They because they gently said that there is a way
Speaker 3: to keep your investment alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Y, this is what actually really drove me. It
Speaker 2: really interested me because I used to think of slavery
Speaker 2: in the West as like an economic arrangement, and that's
Speaker 2: the wrong way to look at it. It really is
Speaker 2: a white supremacist arrangement. Like at its core, it is
Speaker 2: about power even more than economy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But all this horrible abuse that enslave people are facing,
Speaker 2: they it as it's I don't want to I can't
Speaker 2: really say as things got worse because it's already like
Speaker 2: the place where the life expectancies like two years, but
Speaker 2: it somehow gets worse. Yeah, and so they start responding
Speaker 2: even more. You have all these maroon communities, like we've
Speaker 2: talked about, there was probably amongst all the poison hysteria
Speaker 2: people also poisoning. Being like, well, you gave me a
Speaker 2: good idea, and I do have accessed all this anthrax meat,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure that some people are getting poisoned, but
Speaker 2: we don't have any evidence of that. Yeah, But one
Speaker 2: tactic that got used a lot that I have not
Speaker 2: personally read about in a comparable situation. They went on.
Speaker 3: Strike, they just stopped working.
Speaker 2: Like labor strikes, they would just leave the plantation, but
Speaker 2: not to run away, just like, until our demands are met,
Speaker 2: we're not going to work. And this is fucking high stakes, right.
Speaker 2: If you fail, you die. Yeah, but their backs are
Speaker 2: against the wall anyway. If they don't strike and get
Speaker 2: their conditions better, they're going to die.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And honestly, these are some of the most inspiring labor
Speaker 2: strikes I've ever read about my life.
Speaker 3: Amazing. I never read it in terms of labor strike.
Speaker 3: I never thought of it as that means that's exactly
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it Yeah, And it's interesting because like we
Speaker 2: talked about on the first episodes, you were on on
Speaker 2: about how the you know see all our James talked
Speaker 2: about how the South did a general strike during the war. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's still kind of a like, I mean, that's true,
Speaker 2: they did a general strike, but it wasn't quite a like, hey,
Speaker 2: we have the following demands and we're we're going to
Speaker 2: withdraw our labor until Yeah, this was a fuck labor
Speaker 2: strike and it was like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: remember exactly where this maps to, like England having labor strikes,
Speaker 2: but this is fucking early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, yeah, I would have never like, but
Speaker 3: that's what it is. I would have never thought of
Speaker 3: it that way because yeah, like this, you know, in
Speaker 3: the Southern States, if you are a chattel slave at
Speaker 3: the time and y'all going to war, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: you gon't die tomorrow. So like I'm not I'm not working, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So at the first one I read about, at an
Speaker 2: a state called the Breta Estate, twenty five out of
Speaker 2: the one hundred enslaved workers fucked off on a strike
Speaker 2: in response to these poison inquisitions. And so, in a
Speaker 2: weird way, the poison hysteria did was like a domino
Speaker 2: that helped bring down the slave empire because these inquisitions
Speaker 2: were too much for people, so they walked off the
Speaker 2: job and they short term marooned with a quarter of
Speaker 2: the workforce gone. The owner listened to his nephew use
Speaker 2: the foreman was like, it's poison, and the nephews were like, hey,
Speaker 2: we read science and it's not poison.
Speaker 3: Actually I can read you know, yeah, yeah, you'll oversee
Speaker 3: your can't read. I can read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the workers returned after the foreman was fired,
Speaker 2: and they got you know.
Speaker 4: The inquisition stopped.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And at this place there's a guy who I'm not
Speaker 2: actually gonna talk about nearly as much as I expected to.
Speaker 2: They had a coachman working for him named Toussaint Luvitour,
Speaker 2: who ends up being one of the heroes of the revolution.
Speaker 3: The man dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And an unlikely class of heroes arose
Speaker 2: during the strikes. This part, okay, this part really surprised me.
Speaker 2: The people who left these strikes were the most privileged
Speaker 2: enslaved people. Yeah, the skilled laborers, the field laborers did
Speaker 2: shit too. I'm not trying to dismiss this, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the so you have, like, for example, the people who
Speaker 2: make the sugar instead of tending the crops, they have
Speaker 2: more like they're harder to replace. You have to get
Speaker 2: trained into the job more. The coachmen were doing a
Speaker 2: lot of the revolutionary stuff and the strikes. But the
Speaker 2: thing that surprised me is that there were the drivers,
Speaker 2: basically the slave drivers, right. And the slave drivers were
Speaker 2: also enslaved people, but they were like giving whips and
Speaker 2: better food and hit people and stuff. They were often
Speaker 2: the people who led the strikes.
Speaker 3: This is one of the big start contrasts between America
Speaker 3: and Haiti. Yeah, was this point between like, you know,
Speaker 3: house workers and field workers that you know, in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways to this day still is a sort
Speaker 3: of a thing. But like that, you know, obviously I'm
Speaker 3: making a gross generalization, but that's one thing that specifically
Speaker 3: was was very different to where they were, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you you treating me nicely. Don't change the fact that
Speaker 3: I'm a slate. Like, nah, I'm with them, yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The fact that white people made this a race war
Speaker 2: is the reason that the whole thing fell apart, which
Speaker 2: gives is the thing that gives me hope with the
Speaker 2: modern era of like kicking out like banning dei or
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you know. Yeah, and so yeah, the
Speaker 2: quote unquote privileged enslave people are a huge part of
Speaker 2: the revolution leading up to it and during it. And
Speaker 2: this is a paragraph where I wrote what you just said,
Speaker 2: so I'll just skip that. In May of seventeen eighty two,
Speaker 2: people working at the Noah Estate went on strike and
Speaker 2: they shut the place down for a week. And these
Speaker 2: are like two separate strikes, as the field strike and
Speaker 2: the sugar factory strike. Yeah, and the two drivers are
Speaker 2: the people who at least get the credit for leading
Speaker 2: this Hipolte was the field driver and a man named
Speaker 2: Jean Jacques, who's not Jean Jacques de Salinaeus, who's more
Speaker 2: important later?
Speaker 3: Yeah's your hero later?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but Jean ends up actually one of the
Speaker 2: heroes of the early parts of the revolution. One hundred
Speaker 2: and forty field workers left the estate, then came back
Speaker 2: twenty four hours later, and then the skilled laborers left
Speaker 2: for nine days. And I believe this strike was successful
Speaker 2: and they got their immediate demands met. Jean Jacques is
Speaker 2: an interesting fellow. He's later going to become one of
Speaker 2: the early leaders of the revolution. I am not aware
Speaker 2: of him having a last name, which is of course common.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was a crafts person. He was basically the person
Speaker 2: who made the sugar production happen, and he was higher
Speaker 2: in authority than a lot of the white employees on
Speaker 2: the estate. And the owner had kept promising like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm totally gonna let you go. Like the yeah, the
Speaker 2: old owner like in his will was like you should
Speaker 2: totally let this guy go one day, you know, and
Speaker 2: it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Well, Thomas Jefferson Stez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he does get free, but by a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a direct route later exactly, and after
Speaker 2: these successful strikes, these two drivers, they're punished by putting
Speaker 2: them into internal exile. They are fired without being freed,
Speaker 2: so they are unemployed slaves.
Speaker 3: Syop dude.
Speaker 2: They I know, they get paid for ending the strike,
Speaker 2: Like I think there's all like thanks for ending the strike,
Speaker 2: here some money, like I think it's like part of
Speaker 2: the negotiations. But then they're left with nothing to do,
Speaker 2: but like hang out on the plantation. They can't leave. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they became revolutionaries.
Speaker 3: I mean you idle hands, yeah, idle hands. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 3: gave me the time. Yeah, I didn't have time. Now
Speaker 3: I got time. Yeah, y'all's fault.
Speaker 2: This plantation, the Noah Plantation, less than a decade later,
Speaker 2: is going to be one of the first places to revolt.
Speaker 2: But you know who, we would never revolt against.
Speaker 3: Oh, we better not.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a comparison. I feel a
Speaker 2: good making but.
Speaker 3: I mean we have many times, but yeah, but now
Speaker 3: we won't.
Speaker 2: But we we love our goods and services being employed.
Speaker 3: So listen, man, you notion you gotta swim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's what we're swimming in. It adds.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 2: So the strikers would say things like we're not going
Speaker 2: to do night work anymore, or we want a right
Speaker 2: to choose our managers among I think amongst themselves, or
Speaker 2: they would be protesting like one of the skilled laborers
Speaker 2: would you know, be seen as unruly and get demoted
Speaker 2: to field work or something. And so it's very similar
Speaker 2: types of demands as what wage laborers will end up
Speaker 2: going on strike for, you know, one hundred years from now.
Speaker 2: And sometimes the strikes make conditions better. Sometimes they make
Speaker 2: the conditions worse, but dangerously to the slave empire. The
Speaker 2: strikers are often appealing to the court systems for to
Speaker 2: be intervene into into the labor demands. Meanwhile, I want
Speaker 2: to tell a story about another diviner like Mackandal. In fact,
Speaker 2: the Attorney General at the time called this woman Macndal's
Speaker 2: second Coming. And her name is King Gay. She was
Speaker 2: born in Congo. Then she was stolen, trafficked and sold
Speaker 2: across the ocean. Her owner was as best as anyone
Speaker 2: can tell a free black woman who let Kingay kind
Speaker 2: of do her own thing as long as she paid
Speaker 2: a monthly fee to her, which is again the like
Speaker 2: that also happened sometimes in the States. You had people
Speaker 2: being like, oh, yeah, you can go out and get
Speaker 2: a job. I just get a cut, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: The education I got around slavery was very for good reason,
Speaker 2: focused on the plantation system and like specifically the most
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, it's like, I feel like it's
Speaker 2: useful to see the breadth of this really nasty harble system.
Speaker 3: You know. No, for real, I think the point you
Speaker 3: made earlier about how this was really about white supremacy,
Speaker 3: because there was a moment where this was not financially viable,
Speaker 3: Like there was a moment where it stopped being actually
Speaker 3: a good and like you said in the in the
Speaker 3: first episode, to where it was like the chattel slavery
Speaker 3: in North America was very much an upper crust like
Speaker 3: sort of experience. But were you a northern freed educated
Speaker 3: black person in the same way you've existed in the
Speaker 3: rest of the world, and over time you have somebody
Speaker 3: that works for you, you know that you would call
Speaker 3: a slave, you know, and but like you said, there's
Speaker 3: a stipend, you go just give me a cut, Like
Speaker 3: this is our world. I have to own you, Okay,
Speaker 3: I own you whatever that means. You know what I
Speaker 3: mean totally.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the treatment of how even black
Speaker 2: slavers started getting cut out of the system is going
Speaker 2: to be a huge part of the revolution in a
Speaker 2: way that I that was like the part that I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, holy shit, but so so Kingaey For
Speaker 2: two years seventeen eighty four to seventeen eighty five, she
Speaker 2: worked as what I defined last time as a service magician,
Speaker 2: similar to makendal, where you go around you help people
Speaker 2: with shit and you you know, give evil charms and
Speaker 2: help heal and do whatever needs doing. She and her
Speaker 2: probably husband traveled around from plantation of plantation selling talismans.
Speaker 2: She was probably a vodu practitioner, but the book that
Speaker 2: I read that talked about her never used the word
Speaker 2: vodu at anywhere. Is I kept running across this Everyone
Speaker 2: who writes the history of the Haitian Revolution is completely
Speaker 2: different politics from each other and completely different ideas about
Speaker 2: which parts they need to include in like xcise. But
Speaker 2: she would probably channel spirits. She would so she was
Speaker 2: or she was channeled spirits. This is probably that she
Speaker 2: let a la mount her and she spoke in a
Speaker 2: channeled man's voice. And she is not really honestly a
Speaker 2: hero here, and she's but it's more interesting and I
Speaker 2: think ties.
Speaker 4: Into some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, she had a strong following among enslaved people. I
Speaker 2: believe she was revered. The it was phrased this she
Speaker 2: was worshiped. I'm skeptical of that framing because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's laying on top of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she worked for a lot of slavers. The
Speaker 2: commander of a local militia is one of her main benefactors.
Speaker 2: She showed up and told him he'd been poisoned, and
Speaker 2: so she saved him by pulling toads out of him,
Speaker 2: one out of his head and one out of his side.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then she told him which of his enslaved
Speaker 2: people had poisoned him, and so then he went and
Speaker 2: killed a bunch of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't love that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, this is yeah, she's not a hero
Speaker 2: and yeah, and so then he killed a bunch of
Speaker 2: them and sold the rest. And then she was allowed
Speaker 2: to live on his plantation, and he provided carriages and servants,
Speaker 2: and the servants were enslaved people to help her travel
Speaker 2: around and do her work, which by this point meant
Speaker 2: that she would show up and accuse enslave people of
Speaker 2: being poisonous. So she's part of this inquisition system and
Speaker 2: then like watch those people get killed. She's probably taking
Speaker 2: bribes from other enslaved people to be like, hey, I've
Speaker 2: I got beef with this guy, can you go kill him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really tired of I'm really tired as Jean Pierre.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But even she wasn't acceptable to the white supremacist institution.
Speaker 2: She pissed off the wrong people. She got too big
Speaker 2: for a breeches. In seventeen eighty five, the Attorney General
Speaker 2: had her and Or probably has been arrested, and they
Speaker 2: disappeared from the historical record. This was partly because they
Speaker 2: were trying to keep revolt down. They were like, all
Speaker 2: of these inquisitions are going badly, But it's just it's
Speaker 2: like a, I don't know, I found the story really fascinating.
Speaker 3: It is, and it's also like you know, in parallels
Speaker 3: for now, you know, it's not as simple. I can
Speaker 3: speak for almost for all the cools on medias being like,
Speaker 3: it's not so much that we're like partisan democrats, because
Speaker 3: we're like, well, you guys, are you know, khaki beige?
Speaker 3: You know, cream a mushroom soup anyway, Like so that's
Speaker 3: not even like our lane. But dad being said, you know,
Speaker 3: when it was time to push the line, we knew
Speaker 3: where to stand. And when you're watching, you know, for example,
Speaker 3: at least as a person of color, when you're watching
Speaker 3: other people of color actually stand up and defend, you know,
Speaker 3: the moves conservative movements to Donald Trump's movement, you know,
Speaker 3: for whatever reasons they say they're doing. And a lot
Speaker 3: of times among among I'm about to get into a
Speaker 3: diatribe here, but a lot of times, like black capitalists,
Speaker 3: they're like, you just got to get yours, Like this
Speaker 3: is the world we're in, and it's like at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, man, like you got to get yours.
Speaker 3: You know. You we like Trump because you get to
Speaker 3: the money, you know, and at some point, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't care you could, you know, you teach you
Speaker 3: you keep your kids from listening to hip hop, you
Speaker 3: put them in private schools and make them never wear hoodies.
Speaker 3: And wear suits and ties. But at the same but
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, yeah, listen, you not
Speaker 3: want of them, you know, and the day will come,
Speaker 3: and when that day comes, you will look out at
Speaker 3: the fact that you sold out your own community been
Speaker 3: trying to take care of you this whole time, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's real, man, And that's.
Speaker 2: The story of the Haitian Revolution in a like as
Speaker 2: we'll keep getting to it, like even the free people
Speaker 2: of color, like not even that there's a distinction people
Speaker 2: color being the mixed race people in this in this context,
Speaker 2: uh huh, Like eventually they're gonna get kicked out of
Speaker 2: the white supremacy too.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't and you can't stay. Yeah, especially
Speaker 3: out here, especially with all these like immigration things you
Speaker 3: know happening, like who's shutting down the freeway. It's actually
Speaker 3: been kind of beautiful. Yeah, but like all of them
Speaker 3: are looking at the whole Latinos for Trump movement, and
Speaker 3: they're just like you see, you see what you've done
Speaker 3: to your own people, and you say you're doing the
Speaker 3: right thing, you.
Speaker 4: Know, But eventually they're coming for them too.
Speaker 3: They coming for you too, Like, don't you like what
Speaker 3: don't you see about this, Like they they'll pat you
Speaker 3: on the back and they'll put you all you know,
Speaker 3: like good Kanye when he when he was still cool,
Speaker 3: like yeah, put him all in the front of us
Speaker 3: stow like yeah they yeah, He'll put you in front
Speaker 3: of the He'll put you on the stage you're talking
Speaker 3: to rally. Yeah, okay, just.
Speaker 2: Wait and then one day they won't and one day
Speaker 2: they won't yup.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Fuck.
Speaker 2: And so in seventeen eighty five, France passed a law
Speaker 2: that gave more authority to the state to check in
Speaker 2: on plantations and the treatment of people. They were like,
Speaker 2: we're going to actually start punishing slavers. You could now
Speaker 2: get murder charges if you killed an enslaved person, And
Speaker 2: so white people started saying shit like and this is
Speaker 2: a literal quote from a plantation manager, and it just
Speaker 2: sounds like it's said today quotes.
Speaker 3: Cannot wait for this.
Speaker 2: If the ordinance is upheld, it would be better to
Speaker 2: be a good slave than to be a manager, a
Speaker 2: plantation attorney, or even a proprietor. I would say, the
Speaker 2: more I see, the more I understand that they want
Speaker 2: to free the slaves and put whites under the yoke.
Speaker 4: That fucking amazing, markret.
Speaker 2: Like you can a on the Twitter right now and
Speaker 2: find the richest man in the world, be like straight
Speaker 2: white men or the real oppressed minority.
Speaker 3: Listen, it's that's what's really was happening. Yeah, yes, is
Speaker 3: the truth is they hate us, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, don't kill a bit. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: it's a crime. You committing a crime, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's like we're not even saying freedom. Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: not even we're not Yeah, I'm just saying yeah.
Speaker 2: And so local governments start refusing to enforce this new
Speaker 2: French law they can't kill people.
Speaker 3: You're fine, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: Racial tensions start getting worse and worse. There's this whole
Speaker 2: middle class of free black people and or rather more
Speaker 2: accurate to say free people of color, the race hierarchy
Speaker 2: and send themong went white mixed race people usually call
Speaker 2: people of color in this context, and black people at
Speaker 2: the bottom, and then of course the slave people below
Speaker 2: all of that. Yeah, any of those people can be free,
Speaker 2: any of them can own enslaved people. White people aren't
Speaker 2: allowed to be enslaved, but people of color and black
Speaker 2: people are.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for a long ass time, the free people of
Speaker 2: color very much saw themselves as not black, and they
Speaker 2: generally identified with their white ancestry. Early colonists in San
Speaker 2: Demong were mostly men, and they were encouraged early on,
Speaker 2: for like one hundred years, they were encouraged to marry
Speaker 2: black and slaved women, convert them those women to Catholicism,
Speaker 2: and then free them. And so you have a bunch
Speaker 2: of mixed race people who are literally the aristocracy and shit.
Speaker 2: It seems to be an inversion of what I understand
Speaker 2: of like how shit works in the United States, where
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you have a white man
Speaker 2: has black kids, and then they're immediately slaves and not acknowledged.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're still slaves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in this case, it was like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: me and my free wife have these kids. They're French,
Speaker 2: you know. But by the secondcity of this whole huge group,
Speaker 2: it's about as big as the white people, and which
Speaker 2: are both tiny compared to the enslaved black population, of course,
Speaker 2: by an order of magnitude. By the second half of
Speaker 2: the seventeen hundreds, they start putting all these race restrictions
Speaker 2: into place, and we tend to see things in history
Speaker 2: foolishly as like linear, like oh, the world used to
Speaker 2: be more racist and now it's less racist. But it's
Speaker 2: actually an ebb and a flow. I think everyone who
Speaker 2: lives in America right now knows this.
Speaker 3: We get it. Yeah, it's not a straight line. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The sixteen eighty five Black Codes said that free people
Speaker 2: at all the same rights as freeborn people. But suddenly
Speaker 2: these rights start getting taken away. In seventeen sixty nine,
Speaker 2: free men of color could no longer be officers in
Speaker 2: the military. By seventeen seventy three, it became illegal for
Speaker 2: free men of color to practice medicine or become teachers.
Speaker 2: Then they're not allowed to dress like white people. Then
Speaker 2: they're not allowed to take the names of their white fathers,
Speaker 2: and they soon non white people can't be midwives. By
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty you have forced conscription for men of color.
Speaker 2: So within a generation their rights are just stripped away completely,
Speaker 2: like they would pass laws like oh, as of today,
Speaker 2: people of color can't use wheeled carriages or no more jewelry, sorry,
Speaker 2: people of color. For it was a little while where
Speaker 2: people of color couldn't wear shoes in public.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, I missed that one. That was a new one,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah there were shoes. Like if you imagine that,
Speaker 3: you imagine the police being like, hey hey Margaret, yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: mission just totally misgender you and then are like, now
Speaker 3: you gotta take off your shoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, what the Yeah, it's just like why are
Speaker 2: you why? Yeah, And they're saying this to some of
Speaker 2: the people who were like the aristocracy, you know.
Speaker 3: That's the bonker's part to where it's like I I
Speaker 3: was in tennis class with you. Yeah, we played croquet together.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Your mom baby sat us? Yeah what yeah?
Speaker 2: We all agree.
Speaker 4: I'm not black like that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah all black.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the white men who were married to black
Speaker 2: women started to have their nobility denied and stripped from them.
Speaker 2: So now it was like miscegenation laws also on top
Speaker 2: of it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah you did all that race mixing. Yeah, you dirtied yourself,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: And then you get into this weird thing where so
Speaker 2: people of color weren't allowed to take their white family
Speaker 2: name anymore. They had to take on quote African names.
Speaker 2: And it's fascinating because overall, right, Like rejecting some name
Speaker 2: like Jean Jacques and taking a name like an African
Speaker 2: name is like a yeah, a positive reclamation in most.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I'm like, you say, you're making them reclaim
Speaker 3: their African side. Yep, y'all don't hear y'allself?
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like they could have just basically been white
Speaker 2: people and fought for you. You know, they would have
Speaker 2: fought against the Slaver vault if you had let them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now und Miso und Miso Mafu right who
Speaker 3: used to be to loose La Trek I don't know? Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: So now it's like, okay, well I guess I'm ind
Speaker 3: Miso now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess I fight on the side of
Speaker 2: the Africans.
Speaker 3: Fuck it, yeah, you know, you know totally.
Speaker 2: And so all of these rich white dudes who have
Speaker 2: black wives and children of color, they start fleeing for
Speaker 2: France with their wife and kids, and it's this whole
Speaker 2: other level of white fragility, not like white fragility is
Speaker 2: like white people being fragile, but white fragility, like whiteness itself,
Speaker 2: is fragile. Yes, yes, and uh, all of the suppression
Speaker 2: of even free people starts coming to a head because
Speaker 2: in seventeen eighty nine we got the French Revolution, which
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, much like these ads.
Speaker 3: You did it again, you did it again.
Speaker 2: So it gets me up on Thursday mornings the day
Speaker 2: I record.
Speaker 3: Yes, amazing, here they are and we're back.
Speaker 2: So one of these days I'll probably do the French Revolution.
Speaker 2: But I kind of don't care that much about the
Speaker 2: French Revolution because it's like mostly rich people and it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of didn't Yeah, it kind of didn't go
Speaker 3: deep enough. But yeah too. Yeah, yeah, but they're why
Speaker 3: we called it right and left. So like there, that's true.
Speaker 3: That's a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the French Revolution is a big deal and
Speaker 2: it affected a lot of stuff. They also there's this
Speaker 2: thing where people basically say, oh, the French Revolution kicked
Speaker 2: off the Haitian Revolution because it exported the ideas of
Speaker 2: liberty to the people who had never heard of it
Speaker 2: before in Haiti, and that's obviously like paternalistic and wrong.
Speaker 2: It's all right, but it did fundamentally disrupt the empire
Speaker 2: that was in charge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a reality of again, like connecting the now
Speaker 3: when you when when you see a kink in the armor,
Speaker 3: when the reality of like this person that they can
Speaker 3: get touched like you, oh you could get touched, like
Speaker 3: you're not invincible, and what and what that germ does
Speaker 3: of like, oh this, we could win this. You know
Speaker 3: that to me. So it's not that it kicked it off.
Speaker 3: It was just like you said, in the paternalistic way,
Speaker 3: but in the idea of saying, oh.
Speaker 2: Actually things can change around here.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, big hoby. Yeah, it's like, oh, you don't
Speaker 3: have backup.
Speaker 2: Yeah wait a minute, yeah you.
Speaker 3: Don't have backup now. Okay, oh we're good now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like the first time if you've ever seen the
Speaker 2: cops retreat from you, yes, you will never forget what
Speaker 2: it is like to watch them get in their squad
Speaker 2: cars and drive away.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It changes the understanding of power completely.
Speaker 3: It just it's it's it's mind blowing. When I realized, man,
Speaker 3: these these big burly men are more scared of me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you scared of me? And I was like oh yeah,
Speaker 3: yo hoh. Posture change is like yeah, yeah, actually you
Speaker 3: know what, No, you may not see my ID.
Speaker 2: And that's even why they're dangerous, so they're afraid to you,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So the French Revolution seventeen eighty nine, a group calling
Speaker 2: itself the French National Assembly was set up. People stormed
Speaker 2: the Bastille in Paris. We talked about this on our
Speaker 2: prison Break episode a while ago. It was a pretty
Speaker 2: good prison break. And then the King Louis the sixteenth
Speaker 2: was like, all right, fine, you can be a real group.
Speaker 4: You've scared me enough.
Speaker 2: They wrote up a declaration of the rights of Man
Speaker 2: and citizen. And there are all kinds of folks from
Speaker 2: Sandemong living in France at the time, and they want
Speaker 2: to be part of the revolution. And you have two
Speaker 2: different factions. You have a bunch of white people who
Speaker 2: are desperately trying to make sure that the revolution doesn't
Speaker 2: expand to include black people people of color. They're like
Speaker 2: that's their thing. They're like, we're part of this as
Speaker 2: long as we make sure it doesn't disrupt white supremacy
Speaker 2: in Haiti, yeah, or in sand Demong. But there's also
Speaker 2: free black people and people of color and invest as
Speaker 2: I can tell, they're like white family and friends who
Speaker 2: are fighting that for the new constitution. Of France to include.
Speaker 2: Some people are arguing for abolition, but that's not the
Speaker 2: big thing. They're arguing that free black people and the
Speaker 2: colonies and shit should have like the right to.
Speaker 4: Vote and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In March seventeen ninety, the Colonial Committee of the French
Speaker 2: Revolution was like, the new constitution doesn't apply to the
Speaker 2: colonies because we can't risk upsetting our rich white supremacist planters.
Speaker 2: So they just like chicken out. They come around. The
Speaker 2: revolution is still underway in France. Things are in turmoil.
Speaker 2: A man named Vincent Ouje, he's a mixed race guy
Speaker 2: from Sandomong. He had been he was a free man.
Speaker 2: He had been in France and then he went home
Speaker 2: to sand Humong and he was like, it's time to
Speaker 2: stand up to the colonial authorities. We should bring the
Speaker 2: French Revolution to the colonies. Not free the enslaved people,
Speaker 2: but us people of color, slavers. We should get our rights.
Speaker 2: So they threw an armed rally called the Oja Rebellion.
Speaker 2: And these are not leftists, like, these are property owning
Speaker 2: people of color who the majority of them are slavers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the colonial authority is like, oh fuck no, because
Speaker 2: they don't owe their allegiance to the rich. They don't
Speaker 2: owe their allegiance to slavery, they owe their allegiance to
Speaker 2: white supremacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the military breaks up this demonstration and arrests
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty six of them. Oja and another
Speaker 2: guy were tortured and beheaded and their heads were put
Speaker 2: on pikes, which is a specific symbol. This is what
Speaker 2: happens to slave rebellions. Yeah, so this is saying you
Speaker 2: are all the same to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And twenty.
Speaker 2: Three people were executed. Fifteen of them were branded and
Speaker 2: then given life imprisonment on a chain gang. Forty four
Speaker 2: people were tried in absentia. Two of them were executed
Speaker 2: in effigy like they made dummies of the people and
Speaker 2: then like tortured and killed the dummies as like a
Speaker 2: public spectacle. Weird, which is such a good way to
Speaker 2: show we are terrified of you. Yes, yes, you have
Speaker 2: so much power over us. And this protest it failed
Speaker 2: in the short term, but on May fifteenth, seventeen ninety one,
Speaker 2: a couple months after the leaders of the demonstration had
Speaker 2: been killed, the French Revolution was like, all right, political
Speaker 2: rights for free people of color in the colonies. If
Speaker 2: you're born free to free parents and you own shit
Speaker 2: and you're a man, you can vote, got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Perfect.
Speaker 2: There's only a couple hundred people in Sandumong who.
Speaker 3: Mactually like, I was like, that's like five people. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 2: And this was too much for the white supremacist slavers.
Speaker 4: They couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3: Now it's like right now that's ned and Yahoo's cabinet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're like ceasefire never. Yeah. I'm like, you're out of bullets.
Speaker 2: You've killed them. They're dead.
Speaker 3: They're dead. There's no one left it. What do you
Speaker 3: You leveled the city?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know it's not enough.
Speaker 3: It's not enough. Or do you want and like and
Speaker 3: you're about to sail land you don't own? Yeah, to America.
Speaker 3: That's not enough. Yeah, fuck goddamn it.
Speaker 2: I mean everything's gonna be fine. And so, in response
Speaker 2: to a couple hundred people of color suddenly being their
Speaker 2: equals legally, they they start planning their own revolution. They're
Speaker 2: gonna they're planning to break free from France to defend
Speaker 2: their right to be white supremacists.
Speaker 3: This is their revolution call.
Speaker 2: But they're they're not the only people plotting a revolution.
Speaker 2: This is not an ad transition. I almost wish it was, uh,
Speaker 2: because suddenly a bunch of different groups of people who
Speaker 2: did not see themselves as part of the same group
Speaker 2: now have all their interests aligned. You have the unskilled
Speaker 2: enslaved people, you have the skilled enslaved people. You have
Speaker 2: the free black people, and the free people of color,
Speaker 2: including the slavers among them, who are suddenly forced onto
Speaker 2: the same side.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they had a revolution.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, the the stubbornness of your racism just working
Speaker 3: against you. Yeah, I mean, is this not history rhyming?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was one of the things, the biggest things I
Speaker 2: got wrong in like twenty fifteen. I was I plotted
Speaker 2: out this science fiction novel about like set in like
Speaker 2: twenty forty, and in it, I was assuming that like
Speaker 2: right wing nationalism was going to take over the US,
Speaker 2: but it was going to do it by being like
Speaker 2: woke right wing nationalism. Okay, it was going to be
Speaker 2: like trans inclusive, all women army units like the fascists
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know. Yeah, and like they were gonna
Speaker 2: be like as long as you're American, you're American. We
Speaker 2: don't care what color you are. If you're gay or whatever,
Speaker 2: as long as you're willing to enforce a terrible empire
Speaker 2: that conquers the entire world. Yeah, yeah, because I thought
Speaker 2: that was the direction things were going, and then nope,
Speaker 2: they went back to their old strongest card, just raw racism.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, like you are you you keep lowering your
Speaker 3: own like pool of resources. Yeah, you you just keep
Speaker 3: telling the most skilled and most qualified people in our
Speaker 3: country that they need not even apply. Yeah, like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a diversity higher. I only have four
Speaker 3: more degrees than this food. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: guess I'm a diversity higher. So mean, y'all go ahead, Dan,
Speaker 3: Do you know it's.
Speaker 2: Like just I get lost thinking about that ship becau
Speaker 2: I'm thinking aboutw It's just like some of the best
Speaker 2: programmers in the world are trans women, because there's so
Speaker 2: many obviously not all I'm not a programmer, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and awful disproportionate number of the best programmers in this
Speaker 2: world are trans women. And to be like, oh no,
Speaker 2: they're all diversity higres, they gotta go, and you're like.
Speaker 3: You just so you wait, wait, wait, let me get
Speaker 3: this straight. Like even if yeah, I'm just like even
Speaker 3: if I'm racist. Yeah, I'm like, wait, hold hold on now,
Speaker 3: like she's really good, Like she's really good at this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I got does color a girl and she's
Speaker 2: down to the program.
Speaker 3: Like yeah it's fine. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't even care
Speaker 3: what we're making. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And so just the because again, there's like this whole
Speaker 2: thing where in eighteen oh four when Haiti starts to
Speaker 2: spoiler alert, there's gonna be a thing that's called the
Speaker 2: mass courgenocide depends on who's writing it, where yeah, a
Speaker 2: couple thousand white people are killed, and like it's presented
Speaker 2: as like all the white people are killed. And first
Speaker 2: of all, this because there weren't that many white people
Speaker 2: left on the island at that point, but also they
Speaker 2: weren't all killed, and we're gonna talk about that. But
Speaker 2: like if you just say that totally out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this sounds kind of bad, right, And
Speaker 2: you're like, who made it a race war?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, like yeah, you did you ask what is yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah absurd.
Speaker 2: But what I'm asking for is your plugs. Because that's
Speaker 2: the end of part three, because we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: the revolution itself in part four.
Speaker 3: Finally, man, we're gonna talk about the pew pews. Uh yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: the politics pod. I've been trying to like get better
Speaker 3: at ways to be in contact with people that are
Speaker 3: interested in what I do. So yeah, like so prop
Speaker 3: hip hop dot Com that has like you could sign
Speaker 3: up for, like the newsletter, you could sign up for
Speaker 3: the for the text messaging service. So the text message
Speaker 3: and stuff is like, if I'm in town, I'll text you,
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool, I'm doing a show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like works by zip code or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: It just I'll be like, hey, where do you live? Yeah? Uh, Toadsuck, Arkansas?
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, I'm gonna be doing a show somewhere
Speaker 3: close to there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People in Arkansas are gonna drive a little further for
Speaker 2: shows than people on the mid Atlantic.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: I have performed in Toadsuck, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Oh okay cool.
Speaker 3: That's why I always pull that stadia out because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know that one anyway. But yeah, prophitpop dot Com.
Speaker 3: There's the hood politics thing, there's a newsletter, there's a
Speaker 3: music We're gonna start rolling out a ton of music
Speaker 3: this year. I'm super excited about So yeah, man prop
Speaker 3: hip hop dot Com.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, if you want to follow me. My next
Speaker 2: book comes out this summer and it's called The Immortal
Speaker 2: Holds Every Voice and it is a third book in
Speaker 2: the Daniel Kaine series. And if you look it up
Speaker 2: on Kickstarter you can get information about that. It's going
Speaker 2: to kickstart in March. And you're like, what if I've
Speaker 2: never heard it before, Well, you're in luck because I
Speaker 2: read Robert Evans the first of these books on cools
Speaker 2: on Media book clubs. So if you look up The
Speaker 2: Lamb Will Slaughter the Lion, you will find me reading
Speaker 2: it to Robert. And also one of the rewards for
Speaker 2: the Kickstarter is going to be audiobooks of me reading
Speaker 2: all three books, so if people have never heard it before,
Speaker 2: you can hear all of it.
Speaker 3: So dope. I wish I would have done more on
Speaker 3: the Dinah Wars.
Speaker 2: Oh, Dinah Wars is still going on. You still have
Speaker 2: a chance to do Dinahars.
Speaker 3: I saw have a chance. Like I've been trying to
Speaker 3: come up with an angle. You guys are so good
Speaker 3: at this. I'm like, what's the angle? What's the angle? Yeah?
Speaker 2: People want every Sunday, I think on this feed and
Speaker 2: on the it could happen here feed. I've been doing
Speaker 2: Dinah Wars twenty fifty five how to Survive, and it's
Speaker 2: been fun and eventually Propa is going to do part
Speaker 2: of an episode.
Speaker 3: I'm going to figure it out, man, I'm going to
Speaker 3: figure it out. Yeah, some sort of, I would, because
Speaker 3: I was trying to come down a music angle of
Speaker 3: like something where it's just like for like two decades
Speaker 3: artists just gave up, like they were just like forget it, dude.
Speaker 2: Like we tried there's no money in it more at all,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: Like there's no money, like yeah, all your favorite artists
Speaker 3: are AI, you know. And we tried to tell y'all
Speaker 3: like all the way back to like the gunp the dude.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we've been trying to
Speaker 3: forget it. That's what y'all want. But like maybe there's
Speaker 3: one guy that's like, come on, guys, let's try, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what I was kind of coming with.
Speaker 4: Nah it's good, But.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, dear listener, you should bug Prop to write
Speaker 2: a song as if Prop has written it in the
Speaker 2: year twenty fifty five.
Speaker 3: Okay, that you just get You just gave me the idea. Now,
Speaker 3: now that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Cool all right, all right, Well, I'll see everyone on
Speaker 2: Wednesday when we tell you more about the Haitian Revolution.
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