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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that while bad things happen, people

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Speaker 2: do kind of amazing things in the middle of bad things.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margat Kiljoy and my guest today it's propw.

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Speaker 3: Are you hey excited to hear about somebody group of

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Speaker 3: people that did cool things in this Black History Month.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna do some really fucking cool things, some

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Speaker 2: really cool stuff. Yeah. And our producer is Sophie Just kidding,

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Speaker 2: I mean well, Sophie star producer.

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Speaker 4: Actually he's not on mic right now.

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Speaker 3: She's still a producer.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, our audio engineers Rory. Everyone's sills to say

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Speaker 2: hi to Rory.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Rory sor Ry.

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Speaker 2: Our theme musical was written for Spy on Woman and

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Speaker 2: this is the three parter. I am really impressed by

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Speaker 2: any listener who's starting with part three. Your brain works

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Speaker 2: differently than mine, you are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a wild, a wild choice. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: feel like you know what that is. I feels like

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Speaker 3: first born energy of like I am not going back

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Speaker 3: to No, this is where we are, and like what

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Speaker 3: you I'm telling you, if you just go back to

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Speaker 3: part one and two, it may make no, I already

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Speaker 3: started it. That's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very accurate I could say this

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Speaker 2: as the youngest, like yeah, yeah, no, I'm the youngest too,

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Speaker 2: that's why I yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally yeah, just like watching my sister and I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, I really think there's a better way for

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Speaker 3: us to do this.

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Speaker 2: And then well, the youngest we get to be the

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Speaker 2: most adventurouses we feel the least responsible.

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Speaker 3: Totally.

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Speaker 2: But in parts one and two, for anyone who didn't listen,

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Speaker 2: or for people who want the catching up, we talked

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Speaker 2: about the history of Sandomong as the French colony was

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Speaker 2: called the western half of the island now Haiti, and

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Speaker 2: we talked about the religion Vodom, and we talked a

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Speaker 2: lot about how that led to a bunch of uprisings.

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Speaker 2: We talked about a guy named Macndahl who history and

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Speaker 2: legend has as a mass poisoner, but it was probably

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Speaker 2: still really interesting living outside the system, doing his own

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Speaker 2: thing with his followers and then got burned at the stake.

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Speaker 2: And then and this part actually feels at least as

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Speaker 2: true as anything else, he cheated death, turned into a mosquito,

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Speaker 2: and later basically wiped out all the invading armies.

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Speaker 3: So bit a bunch of booties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's how you get things done, you know.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is setting one guy on fire for

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Speaker 2: a witchcraft doesn't actually end the hysteria. Even though the

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Speaker 2: colonial authorities were like, we have caught all the ring leaders,

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Speaker 2: for decades after enslave people kept getting caught up in

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Speaker 2: basically an inquisition. Slavers kept torturing enslaved people into false confessions.

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Speaker 2: So this is why there's like evidence about all this

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Speaker 2: poisons that we have all these confessions. They were like, hey,

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Speaker 4: You going to do about that? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so people were getting like burned alive and

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Speaker 4: After that guy died.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the fear of poison and the persecution. I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize how deep this went. The persecution of supposed poisoners

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Speaker 2: life for decades people were just like, oh, the voodoo

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Speaker 2: and you're like, well, the vodoo in the woods is real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just a religion. People are doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very much. The Dei of its time. It's

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Speaker 2: There are so many weird overlaps with today.

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Speaker 2: I've always been really fascinated by the Haitian Revolution because

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Speaker 2: of how it ties into us abolitionism and stuff. I

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about it as but one of the

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Speaker 2: the colonists were doing. They were vaccine denying. They are

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Speaker 2: the first anti vax people in the history of the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean other people are probably doing it at the

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Speaker 2: inoculate ourselves and survive and smart people were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: people aren't dying of smallpox. People are dying of poison

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Speaker 2: because the black people are poisoning everyone.

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Speaker 3: That's what these bumps are. It's the bumps they working

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Speaker 3: the roots on you. Oh man yo QAnon COVID head ass.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, COVID is fake and China gave it

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, got hi one all right, yes, yeah both yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think this is so so special and like for

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Speaker 3: a number of reasons, because it's like, all right, first

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Speaker 3: cure this horrible disease, I just need to take a

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Speaker 3: little bit of that disease and put it on me.

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Speaker 3: It sounds absurd, like you know, it's true. It sounds

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Speaker 3: I don't know, fam, that's sound the wait, but I

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Speaker 3: don't have it, so you're gonna give it to me?

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Speaker 2: Like yes, so stay away from me.

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Speaker 3: I thought I should stay away from you. But to

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Speaker 3: that's what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so much more realistic.

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Speaker 3: That's so much more realistic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so doctors and scientists and all the people

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Speaker 2: a little bit like, hey, could y'all stop being a

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Speaker 3: You're not here, you don't see what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, So small boxes running rampant. Some

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Speaker 2: people are starting to inoculate themselves and then also inoculate

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Speaker 2: the people.

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Speaker 4: That they own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lot of people are ignoring all that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some sort of some sort of band, Yeah that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally totally. And but anthrax is this, you know, disease,

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Speaker 2: and that ye killing a lot of people specifically, is

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Speaker 2: killing livestock populations, and it shouldn't have then killed any

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Speaker 2: instead the white people decided to starve all the black

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Speaker 4: Eat besides infected meat.

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Speaker 3: Smart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it worked out really well for everyone, so

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Speaker 2: quote that author John D.

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Speaker 4: Garrigus.

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Speaker 2: Although cases of human anthrax were rare in France, they

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Speaker 2: planters and their agents routinely decided to buy food rather

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Speaker 2: to anthrax in many ways. And again physicians were like,

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Speaker 2: it's an epidemic of anthrax. We can dissect these animals

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Speaker 2: and see, and slavers are like, nope, it's them, dastardly

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Speaker 3: They're putting the hecks on the beef.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Really, we're cursing the beef, got it, Yeah, the one

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Speaker 3: that we're eating, like you, we cursed our own food.

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Speaker 2: And so Basically, you have all these slavers being like, well,

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Speaker 2: order to frighten everyone else to confessing into poison. Which works.

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Speaker 2: You can get people to confess to poison if you

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Speaker 2: kill their friend in front of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Other people in town were like, no, this is small

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Speaker 2: pox and anthrox. We have we have the we have

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Speaker 3: It's happening everywhere else too, It's not just here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think their voodoo's that powerful. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As the century winds down, slavers are getting worse and worse.

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Speaker 2: You have these poison inquisitions and slave people are being

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Speaker 3: You're not missing anything, Margaret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really the best I can tell.

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Speaker 2: As repression ramped up, there was two different groups that

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Speaker 2: way for the revolution. And one of them is the courts. Okay,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna do whatever we want.

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Speaker 2: And this led to this almost counter revolution. Like Okay,

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Speaker 2: I've said a million times on the show, I consider

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Speaker 2: the American Revolution of counter revolution. You have the white

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Speaker 2: supremacist aristocracy against a like politically moderate monarchy. The white

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Speaker 2: nationalists like George Washington spun a whole fairy tale about

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Speaker 2: indigenous lands west of the Appalachians. And before the Haitian

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Speaker 2: Revolution there was almost this same kind of thing. Colonists

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Speaker 4: Than the mainland French people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you end up with these two revolutions

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Speaker 2: then you have the enslaved people. Sandomong was hit by

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Speaker 2: seventeen seventies obviously. Yeah, I guess so lost in reading

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Speaker 2: history books that I'm like, I know more about the

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Speaker 2: seventeen seventies this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah than the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although that's it. I know an awful lot about

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Speaker 3: You still feel like do you feel like the seventies

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Speaker 3: was thirty years ago? Still?

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Speaker 3: So dread Scott head ass. That is awful and also

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is too much for the slavers. They

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Speaker 3: They because they gently said that there is a way

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Speaker 2: Like labor strikes, they would just leave the plantation, but

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Speaker 2: If you fail, you die. Yeah, but their backs are

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Speaker 2: And honestly, these are some of the most inspiring labor

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Speaker 3: Amazing. I never read it in terms of labor strike.

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Speaker 2: the foreman was like, it's poison, and the nephews were like, hey,

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Speaker 3: Actually I can read you know, yeah, yeah, you'll oversee

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the workers returned after the foreman was fired,

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Speaker 4: The inquisition stopped.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: And at this place there's a guy who I'm not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And an unlikely class of heroes arose

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Speaker 3: This is one of the big start contrasts between America

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Speaker 3: I'm a slate. Like, nah, I'm with them, yeah, uh huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The fact that white people made this a race war

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Speaker 2: quote unquote privileged enslave people are a huge part of

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Speaker 2: so I'll just skip that. In May of seventeen eighty two,

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Speaker 2: the sugar factory strike. Yeah, and the two drivers are

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Speaker 2: Jean Jacques, who's not Jean Jacques de Salinaeus, who's more

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Speaker 3: Yeah's your hero later?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was a crafts person. He was basically the person

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Speaker 2: I'm totally gonna let you go. Like the yeah, the

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Speaker 2: totally let this guy go one day, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, Thomas Jefferson Stez.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he does get free, but by a little

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Speaker 2: these successful strikes, these two drivers, they're punished by putting

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Speaker 3: Syop dude.

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Speaker 2: They I know, they get paid for ending the strike,

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Speaker 2: Like I think there's all like thanks for ending the strike,

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Speaker 2: but like hang out on the plantation. They can't leave. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so they became revolutionaries.

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Speaker 3: I mean you idle hands, yeah, idle hands. Yeah, y'all

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Speaker 3: I got time. Yeah, y'all's fault.

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Speaker 2: This plantation, the Noah Plantation, less than a decade later,

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Speaker 2: But you know who, we would never revolt against.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we better not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a comparison. I feel a

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Speaker 3: I mean we have many times, but yeah, but now

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Speaker 3: we won't.

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Speaker 2: But we we love our goods and services being employed.

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Speaker 3: So listen, man, you notion you gotta swim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's what we're swimming in. It adds.

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Speaker 2: So the strikers would say things like we're not going

440
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: to do night work anymore, or we want a right

441
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 2: to choose our managers among I think amongst themselves, or

442
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: they would be protesting like one of the skilled laborers

443
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: would you know, be seen as unruly and get demoted

444
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: to field work or something. And so it's very similar

445
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: types of demands as what wage laborers will end up

446
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: going on strike for, you know, one hundred years from now.

447
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: And sometimes the strikes make conditions better. Sometimes they make

448
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: the conditions worse, but dangerously to the slave empire. The

449
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: strikers are often appealing to the court systems for to

450
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: be intervene into into the labor demands. Meanwhile, I want

451
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: to tell a story about another diviner like Mackandal. In fact,

452
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: the Attorney General at the time called this woman Macndal's

453
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: second Coming. And her name is King Gay. She was

454
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: born in Congo. Then she was stolen, trafficked and sold

455
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: across the ocean. Her owner was as best as anyone

456
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: can tell a free black woman who let Kingay kind

457
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: of do her own thing as long as she paid

458
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: a monthly fee to her, which is again the like

459
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: that also happened sometimes in the States. You had people

460
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 2: being like, oh, yeah, you can go out and get

461
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: a job. I just get a cut, you know.

462
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

463
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: The education I got around slavery was very for good reason,

464
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: focused on the plantation system and like specifically the most

465
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, it's like, I feel like it's

466
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: useful to see the breadth of this really nasty harble system.

467
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: You know. No, for real, I think the point you

468
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: made earlier about how this was really about white supremacy,

469
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: because there was a moment where this was not financially viable,

470
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: Like there was a moment where it stopped being actually

471
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: a good and like you said in the in the

472
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 3: first episode, to where it was like the chattel slavery

473
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: in North America was very much an upper crust like

474
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: sort of experience. But were you a northern freed educated

475
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: black person in the same way you've existed in the

476
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: rest of the world, and over time you have somebody

477
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: that works for you, you know that you would call

478
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: a slave, you know, and but like you said, there's

479
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: a stipend, you go just give me a cut, Like

480
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: this is our world. I have to own you, Okay,

481
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: I own you whatever that means. You know what I

482
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: mean totally.

483
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the treatment of how even black

484
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: slavers started getting cut out of the system is going

485
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: to be a huge part of the revolution in a

486
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: way that I that was like the part that I

487
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: was like, oh, holy shit, but so so Kingaey For

488
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: two years seventeen eighty four to seventeen eighty five, she

489
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: worked as what I defined last time as a service magician,

490
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: similar to makendal, where you go around you help people

491
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: with shit and you you know, give evil charms and

492
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: help heal and do whatever needs doing. She and her

493
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: probably husband traveled around from plantation of plantation selling talismans.

494
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: She was probably a vodu practitioner, but the book that

495
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: I read that talked about her never used the word

496
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: vodu at anywhere. Is I kept running across this Everyone

497
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: who writes the history of the Haitian Revolution is completely

498
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: different politics from each other and completely different ideas about

499
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: which parts they need to include in like xcise. But

500
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: she would probably channel spirits. She would so she was

501
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: or she was channeled spirits. This is probably that she

502
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: let a la mount her and she spoke in a

503
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: channeled man's voice. And she is not really honestly a

504
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: hero here, and she's but it's more interesting and I

505
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: think ties.

506
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 4: Into some of this stuff.

507
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: Okay, she had a strong following among enslaved people. I

508
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: believe she was revered. The it was phrased this she

509
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: was worshiped. I'm skeptical of that framing because.

510
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's laying on top of that.

511
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she worked for a lot of slavers. The

513
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: commander of a local militia is one of her main benefactors.

514
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: She showed up and told him he'd been poisoned, and

515
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: so she saved him by pulling toads out of him,

516
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: one out of his head and one out of his side.

517
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: Love it.

518
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then she told him which of his enslaved

519
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: people had poisoned him, and so then he went and

520
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: killed a bunch of them.

521
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't love that.

522
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, this is yeah, she's not a hero

523
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: and yeah, and so then he killed a bunch of

524
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: them and sold the rest. And then she was allowed

525
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: to live on his plantation, and he provided carriages and servants,

526
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: and the servants were enslaved people to help her travel

527
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: around and do her work, which by this point meant

528
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: that she would show up and accuse enslave people of

529
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: being poisonous. So she's part of this inquisition system and

530
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: then like watch those people get killed. She's probably taking

531
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: bribes from other enslaved people to be like, hey, I've

532
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: I got beef with this guy, can you go kill him?

533
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really tired of I'm really tired as Jean Pierre.

534
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

535
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: But even she wasn't acceptable to the white supremacist institution.

536
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: She pissed off the wrong people. She got too big

537
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: for a breeches. In seventeen eighty five, the Attorney General

538
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: had her and Or probably has been arrested, and they

539
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: disappeared from the historical record. This was partly because they

540
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: were trying to keep revolt down. They were like, all

541
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: of these inquisitions are going badly, But it's just it's

542
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: like a, I don't know, I found the story really fascinating.

543
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: It is, and it's also like you know, in parallels

544
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 3: for now, you know, it's not as simple. I can

545
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: speak for almost for all the cools on medias being like,

546
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: it's not so much that we're like partisan democrats, because

547
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: we're like, well, you guys, are you know, khaki beige?

548
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: You know, cream a mushroom soup anyway, Like so that's

549
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: not even like our lane. But dad being said, you know,

550
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 3: when it was time to push the line, we knew

551
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: where to stand. And when you're watching, you know, for example,

552
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: at least as a person of color, when you're watching

553
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: other people of color actually stand up and defend, you know,

554
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: the moves conservative movements to Donald Trump's movement, you know,

555
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: for whatever reasons they say they're doing. And a lot

556
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: of times among among I'm about to get into a

557
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: diatribe here, but a lot of times, like black capitalists,

558
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: they're like, you just got to get yours, Like this

559
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: is the world we're in, and it's like at the

560
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: end of the day, man, like you got to get yours.

561
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: You know. You we like Trump because you get to

562
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: the money, you know, and at some point, you know,

563
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: I don't care you could, you know, you teach you

564
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: you keep your kids from listening to hip hop, you

565
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: put them in private schools and make them never wear hoodies.

566
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: And wear suits and ties. But at the same but

567
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, yeah, listen, you not

568
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: want of them, you know, and the day will come,

569
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: and when that day comes, you will look out at

570
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: the fact that you sold out your own community been

571
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: trying to take care of you this whole time, you know.

572
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

573
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's real, man, And that's.

574
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: The story of the Haitian Revolution in a like as

575
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: we'll keep getting to it, like even the free people

576
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: of color, like not even that there's a distinction people

577
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: color being the mixed race people in this in this context,

578
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: uh huh, Like eventually they're gonna get kicked out of

579
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: the white supremacy too.

580
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: You know, you can't and you can't stay. Yeah, especially

581
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: out here, especially with all these like immigration things you

582
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: know happening, like who's shutting down the freeway. It's actually

583
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: been kind of beautiful. Yeah, but like all of them

584
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: are looking at the whole Latinos for Trump movement, and

585
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: they're just like you see, you see what you've done

586
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: to your own people, and you say you're doing the

587
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: right thing, you.

588
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 4: Know, But eventually they're coming for them too.

589
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: They coming for you too, Like, don't you like what

590
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: don't you see about this, Like they they'll pat you

591
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: on the back and they'll put you all you know,

592
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: like good Kanye when he when he was still cool,

593
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: like yeah, put him all in the front of us

594
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: stow like yeah they yeah, He'll put you in front

595
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: of the He'll put you on the stage you're talking

596
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: to rally. Yeah, okay, just.

597
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: Wait and then one day they won't and one day

598
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: they won't yup.

599
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. Fuck.

600
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: And so in seventeen eighty five, France passed a law

601
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: that gave more authority to the state to check in

602
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: on plantations and the treatment of people. They were like,

603
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: we're going to actually start punishing slavers. You could now

604
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 2: get murder charges if you killed an enslaved person, And

605
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: so white people started saying shit like and this is

606
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: a literal quote from a plantation manager, and it just

607
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: sounds like it's said today quotes.

608
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: Cannot wait for this.

609
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: If the ordinance is upheld, it would be better to

610
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: be a good slave than to be a manager, a

611
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: plantation attorney, or even a proprietor. I would say, the

612
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: more I see, the more I understand that they want

613
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: to free the slaves and put whites under the yoke.

614
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: That fucking amazing, markret.

615
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: Like you can a on the Twitter right now and

616
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: find the richest man in the world, be like straight

617
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: white men or the real oppressed minority.

618
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: Listen, it's that's what's really was happening. Yeah, yes, is

619
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: the truth is they hate us, That's what it is.

620
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

621
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, don't kill a bit. I'm just saying

622
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: it's a crime. You committing a crime, That's all I'm saying.

623
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: And it's like we're not even saying freedom. Yeah, we're

625
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: not even we're not Yeah, I'm just saying yeah.

626
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: And so local governments start refusing to enforce this new

627
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 2: French law they can't kill people.

628
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: You're fine, don't worry about it.

629
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: Racial tensions start getting worse and worse. There's this whole

630
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: middle class of free black people and or rather more

631
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: accurate to say free people of color, the race hierarchy

632
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: and send themong went white mixed race people usually call

633
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: people of color in this context, and black people at

634
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: the bottom, and then of course the slave people below

635
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: all of that. Yeah, any of those people can be free,

636
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: any of them can own enslaved people. White people aren't

637
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: allowed to be enslaved, but people of color and black

638
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: people are.

639
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: And for a long ass time, the free people of

641
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: color very much saw themselves as not black, and they

642
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: generally identified with their white ancestry. Early colonists in San

643
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: Demong were mostly men, and they were encouraged early on,

644
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: for like one hundred years, they were encouraged to marry

645
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: black and slaved women, convert them those women to Catholicism,

646
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: and then free them. And so you have a bunch

647
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: of mixed race people who are literally the aristocracy and shit.

648
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: It seems to be an inversion of what I understand

649
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: of like how shit works in the United States, where

650
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you have a white man

651
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: has black kids, and then they're immediately slaves and not acknowledged.

652
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah you're still slaves.

653
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in this case, it was like no, no, no,

654
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: me and my free wife have these kids. They're French,

655
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: you know. But by the secondcity of this whole huge group,

656
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: it's about as big as the white people, and which

657
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: are both tiny compared to the enslaved black population, of course,

658
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: by an order of magnitude. By the second half of

659
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: the seventeen hundreds, they start putting all these race restrictions

660
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: into place, and we tend to see things in history

661
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: foolishly as like linear, like oh, the world used to

662
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: be more racist and now it's less racist. But it's

663
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 2: actually an ebb and a flow. I think everyone who

664
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: lives in America right now knows this.

665
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: We get it. Yeah, it's not a straight line. Yeah.

666
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: The sixteen eighty five Black Codes said that free people

667
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: at all the same rights as freeborn people. But suddenly

668
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: these rights start getting taken away. In seventeen sixty nine,

669
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: free men of color could no longer be officers in

670
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: the military. By seventeen seventy three, it became illegal for

671
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: free men of color to practice medicine or become teachers.

672
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: Then they're not allowed to dress like white people. Then

673
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: they're not allowed to take the names of their white fathers,

674
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and they soon non white people can't be midwives. By

675
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty you have forced conscription for men of color.

676
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: So within a generation their rights are just stripped away completely,

677
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: like they would pass laws like oh, as of today,

678
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: people of color can't use wheeled carriages or no more jewelry, sorry,

679
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: people of color. For it was a little while where

680
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: people of color couldn't wear shoes in public.

681
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: What Yeah, I missed that one. That was a new one,

682
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah there were shoes. Like if you imagine that,

683
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: you imagine the police being like, hey hey Margaret, yeah, uh,

684
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: mission just totally misgender you and then are like, now

685
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: you gotta take off your shoes.

686
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, what the Yeah, it's just like why are

687
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: you why? Yeah, And they're saying this to some of

688
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: the people who were like the aristocracy, you know.

689
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: That's the bonker's part to where it's like I I

690
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: was in tennis class with you. Yeah, we played croquet together.

691
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

692
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

693
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: Your mom baby sat us? Yeah what yeah?

694
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: We all agree.

695
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm not black like that person.

696
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah all black.

697
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

698
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 2: And then the white men who were married to black

699
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: women started to have their nobility denied and stripped from them.

700
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: So now it was like miscegenation laws also on top

701
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: of it all.

702
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah you did all that race mixing. Yeah, you dirtied yourself,

703
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: all right.

704
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: And then you get into this weird thing where so

705
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: people of color weren't allowed to take their white family

706
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: name anymore. They had to take on quote African names.

707
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: And it's fascinating because overall, right, Like rejecting some name

708
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: like Jean Jacques and taking a name like an African

709
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: name is like a yeah, a positive reclamation in most.

710
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I'm like, you say, you're making them reclaim

711
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: their African side. Yep, y'all don't hear y'allself?

712
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

713
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like they could have just basically been white

714
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: people and fought for you. You know, they would have

715
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: fought against the Slaver vault if you had let them.

716
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. So now und Miso und Miso Mafu right who

717
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: used to be to loose La Trek I don't know? Yeah, yeah, right,

718
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: So now it's like, okay, well I guess I'm ind

719
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: Miso now.

720
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess I fight on the side of

721
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: the Africans.

722
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: Fuck it, yeah, you know, you know totally.

723
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: And so all of these rich white dudes who have

724
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: black wives and children of color, they start fleeing for

725
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: France with their wife and kids, and it's this whole

726
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: other level of white fragility, not like white fragility is

727
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: like white people being fragile, but white fragility, like whiteness itself,

728
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: is fragile. Yes, yes, and uh, all of the suppression

729
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: of even free people starts coming to a head because

730
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: in seventeen eighty nine we got the French Revolution, which

731
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, much like these ads.

732
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: You did it again, you did it again.

733
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: So it gets me up on Thursday mornings the day

734
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: I record.

735
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: Yes, amazing, here they are and we're back.

736
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: So one of these days I'll probably do the French Revolution.

737
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: But I kind of don't care that much about the

738
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: French Revolution because it's like mostly rich people and it's like,

739
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever.

740
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of didn't Yeah, it kind of didn't go

741
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: deep enough. But yeah too. Yeah, yeah, but they're why

742
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: we called it right and left. So like there, that's true.

743
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: That's a thing.

744
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the French Revolution is a big deal and

745
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: it affected a lot of stuff. They also there's this

746
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: thing where people basically say, oh, the French Revolution kicked

747
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: off the Haitian Revolution because it exported the ideas of

748
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: liberty to the people who had never heard of it

749
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: before in Haiti, and that's obviously like paternalistic and wrong.

750
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: It's all right, but it did fundamentally disrupt the empire

751
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: that was in charge.

752
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a reality of again, like connecting the now

753
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: when you when when you see a kink in the armor,

754
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 3: when the reality of like this person that they can

755
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: get touched like you, oh you could get touched, like

756
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: you're not invincible, and what and what that germ does

757
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: of like, oh this, we could win this. You know

758
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: that to me. So it's not that it kicked it off.

759
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: It was just like you said, in the paternalistic way,

760
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 3: but in the idea of saying, oh.

761
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: Actually things can change around here.

762
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah no, big hoby. Yeah, it's like, oh, you don't

763
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: have backup.

764
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah wait a minute, yeah you.

765
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: Don't have backup now. Okay, oh we're good now.

766
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

767
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: It's like the first time if you've ever seen the

768
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: cops retreat from you, yes, you will never forget what

769
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: it is like to watch them get in their squad

770
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: cars and drive away.

771
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.

772
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

773
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: It changes the understanding of power completely.

774
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: It just it's it's it's mind blowing. When I realized, man,

775
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: these these big burly men are more scared of me. Yeah,

776
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: you scared of me? And I was like oh yeah,

777
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: yo hoh. Posture change is like yeah, yeah, actually you

778
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: know what, No, you may not see my ID.

779
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: And that's even why they're dangerous, so they're afraid to you,

780
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: you know.

781
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know, yeah yeah.

782
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: So the French Revolution seventeen eighty nine, a group calling

783
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: itself the French National Assembly was set up. People stormed

784
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: the Bastille in Paris. We talked about this on our

785
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: prison Break episode a while ago. It was a pretty

786
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: good prison break. And then the King Louis the sixteenth

787
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: was like, all right, fine, you can be a real group.

788
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 4: You've scared me enough.

789
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: They wrote up a declaration of the rights of Man

790
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: and citizen. And there are all kinds of folks from

791
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: Sandemong living in France at the time, and they want

792
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: to be part of the revolution. And you have two

793
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: different factions. You have a bunch of white people who

794
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: are desperately trying to make sure that the revolution doesn't

795
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: expand to include black people people of color. They're like

796
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: that's their thing. They're like, we're part of this as

797
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: long as we make sure it doesn't disrupt white supremacy

798
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: in Haiti, yeah, or in sand Demong. But there's also

799
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: free black people and people of color and invest as

800
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: I can tell, they're like white family and friends who

801
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: are fighting that for the new constitution. Of France to include.

802
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: Some people are arguing for abolition, but that's not the

803
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: big thing. They're arguing that free black people and the

804
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: colonies and shit should have like the right to.

805
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: Vote and stuff.

806
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: In March seventeen ninety, the Colonial Committee of the French

808
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: Revolution was like, the new constitution doesn't apply to the

809
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: colonies because we can't risk upsetting our rich white supremacist planters.

810
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: So they just like chicken out. They come around. The

811
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: revolution is still underway in France. Things are in turmoil.

812
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: A man named Vincent Ouje, he's a mixed race guy

813
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: from Sandomong. He had been he was a free man.

814
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: He had been in France and then he went home

815
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: to sand Humong and he was like, it's time to

816
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: stand up to the colonial authorities. We should bring the

817
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: French Revolution to the colonies. Not free the enslaved people,

818
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: but us people of color, slavers. We should get our rights.

819
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: So they threw an armed rally called the Oja Rebellion.

820
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: And these are not leftists, like, these are property owning

821
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: people of color who the majority of them are slavers. Yeah,

822
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: and the colonial authority is like, oh fuck no, because

823
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 2: they don't owe their allegiance to the rich. They don't

824
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: owe their allegiance to slavery, they owe their allegiance to

825
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: white supremacy.

826
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

827
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: And so the military breaks up this demonstration and arrests

828
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty six of them. Oja and another

829
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: guy were tortured and beheaded and their heads were put

830
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: on pikes, which is a specific symbol. This is what

831
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: happens to slave rebellions. Yeah, so this is saying you

832
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: are all the same to us.

833
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And twenty.

834
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: Three people were executed. Fifteen of them were branded and

835
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: then given life imprisonment on a chain gang. Forty four

836
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: people were tried in absentia. Two of them were executed

837
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: in effigy like they made dummies of the people and

838
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: then like tortured and killed the dummies as like a

839
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: public spectacle. Weird, which is such a good way to

840
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: show we are terrified of you. Yes, yes, you have

841
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: so much power over us. And this protest it failed

842
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: in the short term, but on May fifteenth, seventeen ninety one,

843
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: a couple months after the leaders of the demonstration had

844
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: been killed, the French Revolution was like, all right, political

845
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: rights for free people of color in the colonies. If

846
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: you're born free to free parents and you own shit

847
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: and you're a man, you can vote, got it?

848
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Perfect.

849
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: There's only a couple hundred people in Sandumong who.

850
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: Mactually like, I was like, that's like five people. Yeah, okay,

851
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: but yeah.

852
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: And this was too much for the white supremacist slavers.

853
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: They couldn't handle it.

854
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: Now it's like right now that's ned and Yahoo's cabinet. Yeah,

855
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: they're like ceasefire never. Yeah. I'm like, you're out of bullets.

856
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: You've killed them. They're dead.

857
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: They're dead. There's no one left it. What do you

858
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: You leveled the city?

859
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know it's not enough.

860
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: It's not enough. Or do you want and like and

861
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: you're about to sail land you don't own? Yeah, to America.

862
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: That's not enough. Yeah, fuck goddamn it.

863
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean everything's gonna be fine. And so, in response

864
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: to a couple hundred people of color suddenly being their

865
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 2: equals legally, they they start planning their own revolution. They're

866
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: gonna they're planning to break free from France to defend

867
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: their right to be white supremacists.

868
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: This is their revolution call.

869
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: But they're they're not the only people plotting a revolution.

870
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: This is not an ad transition. I almost wish it was, uh,

871
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: because suddenly a bunch of different groups of people who

872
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: did not see themselves as part of the same group

873
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: now have all their interests aligned. You have the unskilled

874
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: enslaved people, you have the skilled enslaved people. You have

875
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: the free black people, and the free people of color,

876
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: including the slavers among them, who are suddenly forced onto

877
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: the same side.

878
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

879
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: So they had a revolution.

880
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, the the stubbornness of your racism just working

881
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: against you. Yeah, I mean, is this not history rhyming?

882
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

883
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: This was one of the things, the biggest things I

884
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: got wrong in like twenty fifteen. I was I plotted

885
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: out this science fiction novel about like set in like

886
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: twenty forty, and in it, I was assuming that like

887
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: right wing nationalism was going to take over the US,

888
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: but it was going to do it by being like

889
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: woke right wing nationalism. Okay, it was going to be

890
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: like trans inclusive, all women army units like the fascists

891
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know. Yeah, and like they were gonna

892
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: be like as long as you're American, you're American. We

893
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: don't care what color you are. If you're gay or whatever,

894
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: as long as you're willing to enforce a terrible empire

895
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: that conquers the entire world. Yeah, yeah, because I thought

896
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: that was the direction things were going, and then nope,

897
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: they went back to their old strongest card, just raw racism.

898
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: Just yeah, like you are you you keep lowering your

899
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: own like pool of resources. Yeah, you you just keep

900
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: telling the most skilled and most qualified people in our

901
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: country that they need not even apply. Yeah, like, oh, okay, well,

902
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a diversity higher. I only have four

903
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: more degrees than this food. Yeah, I don't know. I

904
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: guess I'm a diversity higher. So mean, y'all go ahead, Dan,

905
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: Do you know it's.

906
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: Like just I get lost thinking about that ship becau

907
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm thinking aboutw It's just like some of the best

908
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: programmers in the world are trans women, because there's so

909
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: many obviously not all I'm not a programmer, right, yeah,

910
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: and awful disproportionate number of the best programmers in this

911
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: world are trans women. And to be like, oh no,

912
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 2: they're all diversity higres, they gotta go, and you're like.

913
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: You just so you wait, wait, wait, let me get

914
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: this straight. Like even if yeah, I'm just like even

915
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: if I'm racist. Yeah, I'm like, wait, hold hold on now,

916
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: like she's really good, Like she's really good at this.

917
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I got does color a girl and she's

918
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: down to the program.

919
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: Like yeah it's fine. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't even care

920
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: what we're making. Yeah, exactly.

921
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: And so just the because again, there's like this whole

922
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: thing where in eighteen oh four when Haiti starts to

923
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: spoiler alert, there's gonna be a thing that's called the

924
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: mass courgenocide depends on who's writing it, where yeah, a

925
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: couple thousand white people are killed, and like it's presented

926
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: as like all the white people are killed. And first

927
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: of all, this because there weren't that many white people

928
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: left on the island at that point, but also they

929
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: weren't all killed, and we're gonna talk about that. But

930
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: like if you just say that totally out of nowhere,

931
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this sounds kind of bad, right, And

932
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: you're like, who made it a race war?

933
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, like yeah, you did you ask what is yeah? Yeah,

934
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: yeah absurd.

935
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: But what I'm asking for is your plugs. Because that's

936
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: the end of part three, because we're gonna talk about

937
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: the revolution itself in part four.

938
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: Finally, man, we're gonna talk about the pew pews. Uh yeah, dude,

939
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: the politics pod. I've been trying to like get better

940
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: at ways to be in contact with people that are

941
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: interested in what I do. So yeah, like so prop

942
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: hip hop dot Com that has like you could sign

943
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: up for, like the newsletter, you could sign up for

944
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: the for the text messaging service. So the text message

945
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: and stuff is like, if I'm in town, I'll text you,

946
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool, I'm doing a show.

947
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like works by zip code or something

948
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: like that.

949
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.

950
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: It just I'll be like, hey, where do you live? Yeah? Uh, Toadsuck, Arkansas?

951
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, I'm gonna be doing a show somewhere

952
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: close to there.

953
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

954
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: People in Arkansas are gonna drive a little further for

955
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: shows than people on the mid Atlantic.

956
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: You know.

957
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.

958
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: I have performed in Toadsuck, Arkansas.

959
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: Oh okay cool.

960
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: That's why I always pull that stadia out because I'm like,

961
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: I know that one anyway. But yeah, prophitpop dot Com.

962
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: There's the hood politics thing, there's a newsletter, there's a

963
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: music We're gonna start rolling out a ton of music

964
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: this year. I'm super excited about So yeah, man prop

965
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: hip hop dot Com.

966
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, if you want to follow me. My next

967
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 2: book comes out this summer and it's called The Immortal

968
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: Holds Every Voice and it is a third book in

969
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: the Daniel Kaine series. And if you look it up

970
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: on Kickstarter you can get information about that. It's going

971
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: to kickstart in March. And you're like, what if I've

972
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: never heard it before, Well, you're in luck because I

973
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: read Robert Evans the first of these books on cools

974
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: on Media book clubs. So if you look up The

975
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: Lamb Will Slaughter the Lion, you will find me reading

976
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: it to Robert. And also one of the rewards for

977
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: the Kickstarter is going to be audiobooks of me reading

978
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: all three books, so if people have never heard it before,

979
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: you can hear all of it.

980
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: So dope. I wish I would have done more on

981
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: the Dinah Wars.

982
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh, Dinah Wars is still going on. You still have

983
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: a chance to do Dinahars.

984
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: I saw have a chance. Like I've been trying to

985
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: come up with an angle. You guys are so good

986
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: at this. I'm like, what's the angle? What's the angle? Yeah?

987
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: People want every Sunday, I think on this feed and

988
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: on the it could happen here feed. I've been doing

989
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Dinah Wars twenty fifty five how to Survive, and it's

990
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: been fun and eventually Propa is going to do part

991
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: of an episode.

992
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to figure it out, man, I'm going to

993
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: figure it out. Yeah, some sort of, I would, because

994
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 3: I was trying to come down a music angle of

995
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: like something where it's just like for like two decades

996
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: artists just gave up, like they were just like forget it, dude.

997
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: Like we tried there's no money in it more at all,

998
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Like yeah, there's.

999
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 3: Like there's no money, like yeah, all your favorite artists

1000
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: are AI, you know. And we tried to tell y'all

1001
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 3: like all the way back to like the gunp the dude.

1002
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we've been trying to

1003
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: forget it. That's what y'all want. But like maybe there's

1004
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: one guy that's like, come on, guys, let's try, you know.

1005
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: So that's kind of what I was kind of coming with.

1006
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: Nah it's good, But.

1007
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, dear listener, you should bug Prop to write

1008
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: a song as if Prop has written it in the

1009
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: year twenty fifty five.

1010
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: Okay, that you just get You just gave me the idea. Now,

1011
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: now that's what I'm doing.

1012
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: Cool all right, all right, Well, I'll see everyone on

1013
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: Wednesday when we tell you more about the Haitian Revolution.

1014
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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00:50:59,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: cool Zone Media.

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