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Speaker 1: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now. The

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Speaker 1: big news of the day just broke in the last hour.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Merrick Garland has appointed a special council to

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Speaker 1: investigate Hunter Biden's criminal dealings. That's right, the president's son

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Speaker 1: now has a special council looking into his clear crimes.

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Speaker 1: There's a special council looking into Joe Biden's mishandling of

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Speaker 1: classified documents.

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Speaker 2: There is a special.

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Speaker 1: Council looking at Trump for his handling of classified documents

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Speaker 1: at mar A Lago and for January sixth and election

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty allegations. You know, at some point you start

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Speaker 1: to wonder, do we have elections in this country? Do

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Speaker 1: we just have prosecutions? Like what is going on here?

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Speaker 1: It's completely out of control. I do think that this

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Speaker 1: is getting to the place where people recogniz this is

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Speaker 1: not normal, it's not the way it's supposed to be,

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Speaker 1: and the weaponization of law is something that is bad

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Speaker 1: for the country overall. But I don't know when they'll

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Speaker 1: I think they still believe that Trump will be the

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Speaker 1: loser on all this, both legally and.

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Speaker 2: Politically, so they're going to hold out.

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Speaker 1: So this is what Clay and I were discussing before

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Speaker 1: because Okay, at first, at first brush it's, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: this is so bad for the Bidens. It's clearly not

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Speaker 1: a good thing for Hunter Biden, or at least I

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Speaker 1: should say it's concerning for Hunter Biden. But we did

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Speaker 1: have a caller before, and I think this is fair

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Speaker 1: to point out Weiss has been involved in this all along. Weiss,

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Speaker 1: it seems, was willing to play ball at some level

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Speaker 1: with Hunter. I think that the challenge that he ran

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Speaker 1: into here in part was of the Democrats making because

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Speaker 1: Clay he is clearly in violation of the Foreign Agents

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Speaker 1: Registration Act. And this is the part of it, because

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Speaker 1: they're to keep saying, oh, Hunter just took money, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't. There was no corruption because he didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have any power, and there was no quid

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Speaker 1: pro quo. Yeah, but when you're taking money from China

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Speaker 1: them access and you don't register as a foreign agent,

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Speaker 1: that's a crime. Now generally people don't care. But why

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Speaker 1: do people care so much about it now, or at

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Speaker 1: least why do we care about it? Because the Mueller prosecution.

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Speaker 1: The Muller Special Council used Pharah aggressively. They sent I

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Speaker 1: think Manifork got four or five years on the Pharaoh charge.

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Speaker 1: So he got sent to federal prison. It's a maximum

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Speaker 1: of five years. He got sent for a good stretch

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Speaker 1: under the Farah regulation. So if he did it and

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Speaker 1: he went to prison, why should Hunter Biden put to

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Speaker 1: prison clearly guilty of the same conduct. That then goes

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Speaker 1: to why the plea deal blew up at this point

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Speaker 1: because they wanted to get a get out of jail

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Speaker 1: free card on Pharah as well as the tax violations,

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Speaker 1: as well as the gun charge lying on a background form.

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Speaker 1: So you got all these moving pieces, Clay, there's the

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Speaker 1: possibility still that they'll give him some kind of a

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Speaker 1: sweetheart deal. I would not rule that out. But what

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Speaker 1: about this, what about this, This is what we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about. What if Hunter Biden says no jail

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Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna have to do a stretch, and

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Speaker 1: then Under says, well, let's let's take this to court. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go to court, and let's see. Think of what

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Speaker 1: Hunter then has at his disposal. He will have a

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Speaker 1: in the election year who decides, ah, I don't care nullification.

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest, we've been saying that we think

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Speaker 1: it is. Now we would argue that's a sham and

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Speaker 1: all you need is one demo on that jury. But

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Speaker 1: at least after November. And if he delays this, I

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Speaker 1: how that goes, pardon Hunter. No problem, that's right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: If Biden wants to run, you cannot pardon your son

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Speaker 3: to Joe Biden's chances to win reelection if he's running.

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Speaker 3: Your point is, if he loses the election, he still

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Speaker 3: There would probably be negative articles written about it, but

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Speaker 3: there are lots of presidents who give pardons to people

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Speaker 3: I actually think so there's a couple of other things

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Speaker 4: Buck.

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Speaker 3: One, A lot of people are reacting and saying this

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Speaker 3: the consequences of the investigation that's going on inside the

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Speaker 3: understand that argument. I don't think this puts that on ice.

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Speaker 3: And we should also give credit to Shapley and the

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Speaker 3: Both of those guys are heroic in this story as well. Now,

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Speaker 3: I do think this is important. Weiss is in many

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Speaker 3: is the new special counsel who had already been investigating

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden for years. He already agreed to this sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 3: So do we really think that he wants to catch

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Speaker 3: We really need optics on the investigation, Buck, because wood

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Speaker 2: So what is.

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Speaker 3: Weiss actually gonna do here? That's the question. You can

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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland said that Weiss needed everything everything he had.

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Speaker 3: He didn't need special counsel status, He didn't need any

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Speaker 3: he needed. Okay, then what changed because Merrick Garland in

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Speaker 2: What changed that on Tuesday?

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Speaker 3: Suddenly Weiss needs the ability to conduct a more extensive

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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland probably the first question that should be asked.

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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland, you said that Weiss had all the authority

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Speaker 1: Also, the facts are not in dispute, so generally you

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Speaker 1: And so that means that you need to have a

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Speaker 2: That's that's all it is.

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Speaker 1: The investigation's basically done. We already know there are a

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Speaker 1: And then that's kind of what you got something new.

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Speaker 3: I've just got some news here that we should also add,

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Speaker 3: and this comes from CNN. Plea talks between Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: It now becomes impossible for all of the propaganda left

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Speaker 3: that's all made up, that's Fox News, that's Clay and Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think that's right in this case. I would just

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Speaker 3: And by the way, the DJ's put out a special release.

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Speaker 2: We're breaking down the big news of the day.

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Speaker 1: Here the employment of a special Council into Hunter Biden's

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Speaker 2: Should definitely pick up a copy. You know about what

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Speaker 1: Let's get your reaction to the appointment, because I got

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Speaker 1: He doesn't think this is the gears of Justice, you know,

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Speaker 6: No kidding, really it's not. I mean the universal reaction

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Speaker 6: Of course, you don't trust anything that comes out of

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Speaker 3: Okay, I agree with all of that, Julie. Here's what

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Speaker 6: What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: So I want to start with this.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with me, Julie, that if the judge

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Speaker 2: And as you well know, because you've been dealing with

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Speaker 3: People have been wagging their finger at you for your

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Speaker 6: Well, yes, I mean, obviously you have to give credit

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Speaker 1: Julie, I want to ask you about what's going on

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Speaker 6: No, no, not at all, I mean these texts times. Furthermore,

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Speaker 6: If David Wise is actually conducting, that's he's going to

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: No, And Jack Smith knows that this is another ruse

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Speaker 6: they pulled out the old well, most of the evidence

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Speaker 6: So now they're pulling more games. They know that this

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Speaker 6: will delay the process. I still believe they're going to

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Speaker 6: bring superseding indictments against Trump in this matter. So it's

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Speaker 6: just more more publicity, more games, playing another speaking so

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Speaker 6: to speak, motion out of Jacksmith and so what happened

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Speaker 3: Okay, Julie, big discussion the buck and I've been having,

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Speaker 3: and look, this discussion has been going on for months.

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Speaker 3: How does today's special A Council appointment in your mind,

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Speaker 3: implicate whether Joe Biden is going to run or not.

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Speaker 3: Buck and I have been talking about that. You will

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Speaker 3: know that basically the code red has been ordered on

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden when suddenly people start to cover and write

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Speaker 3: about and discuss all of the Briden crime family implications.

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Speaker 3: To me, a special Council appointment makes that more likely.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Biden is going to be the nominee?

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Speaker 3: Do you think he will be the candidate for Democrats

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Speaker 3: next year?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 6: I don't see anyway that he voluntarily relinquishes the presidency

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Speaker 6: or you know, the second term. The person who absolutely

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Speaker 6: will never let him do that is his wife, Jill,

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Speaker 6: and certainly a staff around him. I mean, you just

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Speaker 6: don't give that up. Now with the flip side is

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Speaker 6: most I think a strong majority of Democratic voters do

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Speaker 6: not want Joe Biden to be the candidate in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four. But ultimately that's his decision. And he's now

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Speaker 6: blocking out other candidates except for Robert Kennedy Junior. But

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Speaker 6: you know, shut up any fundraising. So it looks like

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Speaker 6: there might be people waiting in the wings, Kevin Newsom,

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Speaker 6: Gretchen Whitmer, maybe jav Pritzker, who would step in and

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Speaker 6: run if something does happen. But Joe Biden is not

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Speaker 6: going to suddenly declare that he's not running for president.

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Speaker 6: I still believe that he will be the Democratic candidate

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Speaker 6: running against Trump in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think so too, Julie, real quick, before we let

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Speaker 1: you go, this tell us about this this order from

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Speaker 1: the judge or this commentary from the judge that Trump

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Speaker 1: is a flight risk.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, wow.

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Speaker 6: That seems like a year ago and it was just yesterday.

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Speaker 6: But yes, but we found out this week is that

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Speaker 6: Jack Smith, working with DC then DC Chief Judge Beryl Howell,

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Speaker 6: forced Twitter to not only turn over every all the

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Speaker 6: data related to Donald Trump's Twitter account, but also put

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Speaker 6: a non disclosure order on that, basically a gag order

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Speaker 6: preventing Twitter from notifying their user, Donald Trump that this

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Speaker 6: action had been taken. And when they didn't, Twitter, of course,

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Speaker 6: you know, was trying in a few days to comply

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Speaker 6: with the subpoena deadline. They blew past it for fifty

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Speaker 6: one hours later with a lot of other ramifications. They're

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Speaker 6: the DOJ playing games, of course, fifty one hour delay

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Speaker 6: before they produced everything and Beryl Howe, at the request

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Speaker 6: of Jacksmith find Twitter three hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 6: because they said that they were violating the terms of

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Speaker 6: the subpoena. I have a whole piece on that up

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Speaker 6: at my substecut. People want to read it. Just more

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Speaker 6: outrageous conduct misconduct by Jacksmith with the full inpromoter of

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Speaker 6: judges on the DC Districtcord.

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Speaker 1: Julie Kelly may be talking to you a lot. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here. Check out Julie's declassified substack, folks. You

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Oh no, Clayton, I was just going

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Speaker 3: to say, you're killing it, Julie. We appreciate, We know

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Speaker 3: how busy you are, and I would just really echo

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Speaker 3: what Buck's saying. You should be subscribed to anything that

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Speaker 3: Julie's doing if you actually care about the truth.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when she dropped last August one hundred

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Speaker 1: and ten percent one hundred and ten percent that Trump

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Speaker 1: was going to get federally indicted.

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Speaker 2: We were like, WHOA, well, here we are. Thanks Julie,

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Speaker 2: you guys, thank you.

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Speaker 6: For always covering my work. I'm so grateful, so thank

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Speaker 6: you and have a great weekend.

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Speaker 5: Speak out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in final hour of the week Clay Travis

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Speaker 3: Buck Sexton show Blockbuster News. About fifteen minutes into the

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Speaker 3: show today, a special counsel has been appointed in the

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden case. It is David Weiss, the same individual

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Speaker 3: who had already been prepared to give a sweetheart deal

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Speaker 3: to Hunter Biden. Now we bring in Anny McCarthy, who

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Speaker 3: is I think the best legal analyst out there. And

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Speaker 3: certainly we're dealing with a lot of uncharted waters here.

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Speaker 3: It's very difficult to analyze all the different moving parts.

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Speaker 3: But I want to start here because I've seen some

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Speaker 3: of the things that you are saying. Your position, Andy

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Speaker 3: is that you cannot appoint a special counsel who is

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Speaker 3: already inside of the United States government, as that violates

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Speaker 3: the Special Council statute. If you are correct, and it

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Speaker 3: seems to me that you are, Why in the world

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Speaker 3: would the Department of Justice be doing this and how

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Speaker 3: could you how could you challenge the appointment of the

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Speaker 3: special council as not fulfilling the statute statutory requirements of

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Speaker 3: a special council. And that sounds like, by the way,

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Speaker 3: I know, a complicated question, but I think it's a

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Speaker 3: very significant one.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks play. I mean, it's obvious that that he

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Speaker 4: can't be a special counsel under the regulations. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: already hearing pushback from people who say that, Well, Dorham

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Speaker 4: was not appointed from outside the United States government. But

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Speaker 4: when Durham was appointed by bar it was when the

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Speaker 4: Biden Justice Department was about to take over and Dorham

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Speaker 4: was going to be removed as the US Attorney for Connecticut.

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Speaker 4: So here we have Garland appointing the guy that he

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Speaker 4: has trusted all along to make this case go away,

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Speaker 4: which is exactly the way that Weiss has conducted it.

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Speaker 4: But he also took pains. Garland did in his statement

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Speaker 4: today to say that Weiss would remain the United States

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Speaker 4: Attorney for Delaware. So you know what makes a special

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Speaker 4: council special is that he's brought in from outside, not

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Speaker 4: only outside the Justice Department, but outside the government. The

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Speaker 4: whole purpose of having a special counsel.

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Speaker 2: Is unlike what Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 4: Would have you believe. It's not that it gets appointed

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Speaker 4: when a US attorney asked him for authority. The Attorney

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Speaker 4: General has the obligation in any case where there is

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Speaker 4: a profound conflict of interest that prevents the Justice Department

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Speaker 4: ethically from investigating the case in the normal course, to

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Speaker 4: appoint a special counsel. It's not Wife's job to ask,

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Speaker 4: It's Garland's job to appoint one, because there can't be

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Speaker 4: a more profound conflict of interest than the Biden Justice

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Speaker 4: Department having to investigate the president's son in conduct that

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Speaker 4: may implicate the president in criminal activity or even impeachable activity.

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Speaker 4: But I think what they'll say to this point is

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Speaker 4: these regulations do not create rights for anybody else. So,

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Speaker 4: in other words, he'll come back and say this is

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Speaker 4: all just aspirational. I mean they pretend that there are

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Speaker 4: regulations except when they don't want to follow them, in

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Speaker 4: which case they say, oh and by the way, if

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Speaker 4: we break the rules better here nobody gets to do

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Speaker 4: anything about it. So there's no court that could do

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Speaker 4: anything about it. There's no lawsuit that could be filed.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing is a farce.

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Speaker 1: So andy, what is the point then, Like, where do

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Speaker 1: you see this going? And you know, why do they

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Speaker 1: do it today?

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Speaker 4: Well, they did it because they did it today because

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Speaker 4: of stuff. But also they did it but because the

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Speaker 4: plea bill blew up, and the strategic reason for doing

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Speaker 4: it is twofold. You know, look, there's no First of all,

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Speaker 4: there's no investigation of the bidens. If there were an investigation,

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Speaker 4: you would never no prosecutor would ever give a guy

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Speaker 4: the possibility of serious telony charges. You would never take

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Speaker 4: one of your main subjects and give them a plea

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Speaker 4: to two misdemeanor counts. If you really had a continuing investigation,

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Speaker 4: you would just no one would ever do that. So

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Speaker 4: there is no investigation, and he wasn't conducting you know,

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Speaker 4: wife wasn't conducting an investigation. He was destroying an investigation.

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Speaker 4: It was he who intentionally has not indicted this case

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Speaker 4: in order to let the statute of limitations run on

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Speaker 4: all these counts. So his job is not to investigate

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Speaker 4: the case case, it's to make the case go away.

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Speaker 4: And now it's expedient for them because there's been all

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Speaker 4: this cat calling for special cancel. Is for Garland figuring

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Speaker 4: that no one's going to pay any attention to what

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Speaker 4: the rules are. Anyway, Golin comes in and says, abricatedabra,

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Speaker 4: you're now a special counsel, even though you're the guy

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Speaker 4: who's been running the investigation all along. But the thing,

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Speaker 4: the strategic reason for doing this is, unlike every other

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Speaker 4: prosecutor in America or in the Justice Department, who when

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Speaker 4: a case ends without charges, you just close the file

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Speaker 4: and move on to the next case, a special counsel

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Speaker 4: gets to write a report. So when the front end,

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Speaker 4: what Wiss is supposed to do is basically destroy the

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Speaker 4: case against Hunter Biden. He's doing a great job. The

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Speaker 4: twenty fourteen to fifteen Council are already gone that's when

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Speaker 4: the worst of the Barisma stuff happens, right, because it's

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Speaker 4: all time barred statue. The limitations on the tap stuff

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Speaker 4: is six years. On all the other crimes, it's five years.

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Speaker 4: So arguably everything before Biden left the Obama White House

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Speaker 4: is now gone, right, it's time board. But his job

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Speaker 4: at the end of the investigation is to write a

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Speaker 4: report that says President Biden didn't have anything to do

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Speaker 4: with his son's business, which is what the Biden administration

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Speaker 4: has been saying all along. Weiss is a part of

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration. He's going to write a report that

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Speaker 4: clears the president. That's his job.

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Speaker 1: So nothing happens out of this, right, I mean, Andy,

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Speaker 1: just to be clear, you think this is total smoke

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Speaker 1: screen nonsense.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's worse than that, because I think

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Speaker 4: that this is like the counterpoint. On the one hand,

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Speaker 4: you know, they won't indict Hunter Biden, who's very straightforward

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Speaker 4: text and gun crimes have been well known for five years.

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Speaker 4: They've just let everything last. Right in the meantime, I

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Speaker 4: think in the last two months they've indicted Trump three times,

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Speaker 4: and they're pushing to have trials all at the beginning

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Speaker 4: of next year, like the first six months when everything's

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Speaker 4: happening in the campaign. So what they're going to do is,

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Speaker 4: on the one hand, they're going to be having these

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Speaker 4: you know, Trump proceedings where he's painted as a terrible

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Speaker 4: guy by the Biden Joe This Department, and then on

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Speaker 4: the other side, they're going to have the Biden Justice

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Speaker 4: Departments quote unquote special council who's going to write a

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Speaker 4: report saying, good all, President Biden, he had nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with any of that bad stuff that his son

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Speaker 4: might have been involved in. But we'll never know because

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Speaker 4: the statute of limitations lapsed on everything.

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Speaker 3: All right, Andy, I feel like I'm just taking crazy

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Speaker 3: pills here because I actually see this as a positive.

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Speaker 3: And what I mean by seeing it as a positive

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Speaker 3: is this, if I flip over to CNN and I

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Speaker 3: flip over to MSNBC, as I'm doing right now in

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Speaker 3: my studio, they are all covering the Hunter Biden Independent Council.

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Speaker 3: The Biden administration has avoided trying to get a special

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Speaker 3: council status for Hunter Biden for a long time, and

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Speaker 3: they certainly have. Judge Noriyeika had not refused to rubber

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Speaker 3: stamp this plea agreement. They would have never ever agreed

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Speaker 3: to this. To me, and I understand all of the

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Speaker 3: procedural us you're raising. I understand all of the cover

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Speaker 3: up aspects of this case that you are discussing for

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Speaker 3: purposes of the increasing fire, the media attention, the pressure

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Speaker 3: on Biden and the Biden crime family. I don't see

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Speaker 3: how this is a good day for the Bidens. It

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Speaker 3: seems to me that things have significantly worsened for them

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Speaker 3: because they never wanted a special counsel, And if Judge

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Speaker 3: Norieika had rubber stamp that sweetheart deal that David Weiss

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Speaker 3: and the US government negotiated, this whole story would have

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Speaker 3: gone away. Now it's prolonged, and the House still has

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Speaker 3: the ability to conduct their own investigation into the Biden

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Speaker 3: crime family. Am I wrong in that analysis? If I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to look at this as a positive.

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Speaker 4: Story, well, I don't know. I don't think these things

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Speaker 4: are necessarily in conflict play in the sense that the

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Speaker 4: fact that they understood that they had to engage in

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Speaker 4: the sham because they got caught on the plea agreement,

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Speaker 4: and some people have finally noticed that no indictment ever

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Speaker 4: got filed so the case is disappearing with each passing

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Speaker 4: day because of the statute of limitations. So they had

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Speaker 4: to engage in this scheme that they're running.

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Speaker 2: Now that is bad.

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Speaker 4: For them, and the additional attention is not something they want.

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Speaker 4: But I think you just have to temper how good

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Speaker 4: a development that this is in terms of getting to

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Speaker 4: the truth at the end, because I would just point

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Speaker 4: out to people, I wish this had gotten more attention.

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the statement of fact that

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Speaker 4: Weiss's office agreed to in connection with the Hunter Biden plea,

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Speaker 4: what they say is all these millions of dollars that

706
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Speaker 4: were coming in were coming in because Hunter is a

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Speaker 4: high end lawyer who does contract consulting and other kinds

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Speaker 4: of business consulting work. So that's the explanation for all

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Speaker 4: the money coming in. And the reason he didn't pay

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Speaker 4: is to taxes was because he was drug addled. So

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Speaker 4: if your wife and you're running an investigation, a good

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Speaker 4: faith investigation of a situation, where it becomes clearer with

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Speaker 4: each passing thing that the house finds that what was

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Speaker 4: going on here was an influence peddling business, which is

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Speaker 4: what explains the millions of dollars are coming in, and

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Speaker 4: the fact that Biden didn't pay his Hunter didn't pay

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Speaker 4: his taxes is consistent with the rest of the investigation,

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Speaker 4: which is an extensive effort to hide where the payments

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Speaker 4: are coming from and the size of them. That's perfectly

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Speaker 4: consistent with not paying your taxes. Right. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who are involved in crime who do that.

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Speaker 4: But if you were really running that kind of an investigation,

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Speaker 4: why would you agree to a stipulation that said the

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Speaker 4: money was The money's explained by Hunter's high end legal

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Speaker 4: work and the disappearance of it, or his lack of

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Speaker 4: paying taxes is because he's got a drug problem.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're just going to run out the

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Speaker 1: statutes on all this stuff basically and nothing is going

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Speaker 1: to happen to Hunter?

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Speaker 2: Or is that a possibility in your mind?

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Speaker 4: They've almost done it. They've almost done it. I mean

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Speaker 4: the statute of limitations. I feel like I'm ranting because

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Speaker 4: I get so angry every time so thinking about this.

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Speaker 4: But the statute of limitations on the text of this

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Speaker 4: six years. This is twenty twenty three, So the statute

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Speaker 4: of limitations on everything else is five years.

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Speaker 2: So cold, I be.

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Speaker 1: Is there a possibility, Eddie, I need to ask you this,

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Speaker 1: Is there a chance that at some point in let's say,

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Speaker 1: you know, earlier or midnext year, this special Council comes

741
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Speaker 1: forward writes a report that says Joe Biden, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: did nothing wrong and Hunter obviously made some mistakes. But oops,

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Speaker 1: the statute's gone. He doesn't even have to take a

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Speaker 1: plea deal.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's what Look, the plea deal they had Buck

746
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Speaker 4: didn't have the years that have the most incriminating behavior

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Speaker 4: in it because wife let them last I want and

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Speaker 4: I just want to be clear about this. Hunter's lawyers

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Speaker 4: were willing to waive the statute limitations objection in the

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Speaker 4: interest of getting a global plea where he would get

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Speaker 4: two misdemeanor counts to plead guilty to, and he would

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Speaker 4: get a complete immunity bath for everything from twenty fourteen

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Speaker 4: to the end. It was Wie who didn't take that

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Speaker 4: deal because he decided to just let twenty fourteen and

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen lamps and now we're up to you know,

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Speaker 4: who knows what year were up to.

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Speaker 3: So all of this it's not good, Clay all, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no doubt. But it's better, and I hate to have

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Speaker 3: to be like, it's better than Noriyeka having signed off

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Speaker 3: on this, which would have allowed them to sweep everything

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden under the rug and claim it had all

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Speaker 3: been resolved. Right, So now it's going to linger and

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Speaker 3: the fact that again I would say, CNNMSNBC, New York Times,

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Speaker 3: Washington Post have to cover this because they've been arguing

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Speaker 3: this is just a right winging fever dream. But Andy,

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Speaker 3: to close out here, what do you think happens now?

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00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: Where do we go? Do you think Joe Biden is

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Speaker 3: planning on running for president? Does this make it more

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Speaker 3: or less likely? If they're playing chess right now? What

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00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: is their move? What are they trying to make happen here?

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Speaker 3: And what should the counter move be by Republicans who

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Speaker 3: want there to be some form of justice here.

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Speaker 4: Well, what I've been trying to do, Clay, is say

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Speaker 4: every single day, where's the indictment? Because the only way

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Speaker 4: the stature of the limitation stops running. I mean, the day

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Speaker 4: the case should have been a dialal a long time ago,

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Speaker 4: but the day the plea blew up, Weiss's next move

778
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: should have been to walk out of the court at

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Speaker 4: the courtroom and go to the grand jury room and

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Speaker 4: indict the case. So that would stop the clock. He

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Speaker 4: hasn't done that. Two weeks have gone by, you know,

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Speaker 4: every day of the clock is ticking. So I think

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Speaker 4: the best move for anybody looking at this is where's

784
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: the indictment because at this point everything is disappearing, there'll

785
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 4: be nothing left to charge. But what I think their

786
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: move is to say, you know, this is a new

787
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: day now, it's a special Counsel investigation, and we got

788
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Speaker 4: to really roll up our sleeves and go to work here.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to be able to comment, but you know,

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00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: we're having an ongoing investigation and investigative secrecy requires us

791
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Speaker 4: to be discreet here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so they're not going to cut any comments.

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Speaker 1: There won't be anything to cover because there won't be

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Speaker 1: any leaks. It's not Trump, right, so it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a different approach, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: The one positive is this doesn't forestall any continuing investigation

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Speaker 3: in the House, right correct.

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Speaker 4: That's the only that's the only investigation that has any

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Speaker 4: promise at all. And I don't mean to say that

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Speaker 4: slippantly because I think they're doing a great job, but

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Speaker 4: it's the only game in town.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, Annie McCarthy, everybody and get hold on lady.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, can you come back

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Speaker 3: or can maybe you can answer this quickly because the

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Speaker 3: thing we thought we were going to ask you about

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Speaker 3: is you're a way smarter on the law than me.

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Speaker 3: How is the fact on the side you want to

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Speaker 3: answer it? Can you come back and talk to us

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Speaker 3: for three more we hold them because we're gonna run

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Speaker 3: into a break here we're at Yeah, Andy, can you

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Speaker 3: hang with us for a couple more minutes? Okay, all right,

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Speaker 3: Okay, welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 3: are going to be joined here soon by Senator Ted

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Speaker 3: Cruz of Texas to react to lots of the story

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Speaker 3: surrounding Trump, surrounding Biden, all of the chaos that has

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Speaker 3: befallen today's show and this week show in general. I

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Speaker 3: continue to believe that the appointment of a special counsel

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Speaker 3: to look into Hunter Biden is a positive story. I

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Speaker 3: understand the argument out there that there is going to

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Speaker 3: continue to be a cover up and then he will

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Speaker 3: have no consequential punishment for his acts. Can we separate

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Speaker 3: this into because I think that the more I've thought

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Speaker 3: about over the last few hours, this is total smoke screen.

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Speaker 3: And this is not as bad as the Judge Norika

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Speaker 3: having to strike down plea deal situation, but it's pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: Do you mean politically or do you mean legally? It's

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Speaker 3: a good thing because on the legal side of it,

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Speaker 3: there's no indication that I can see that this is

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Speaker 3: a problem for Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Yet it could be, but we don't know.

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Speaker 3: If you want Hunter to face any consequences for his behavior.

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Speaker 3: The only way that can happen is what happened, which

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Speaker 3: is Judge Norriaeika saying I'm not going to sign off

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Speaker 3: on this plea agreement and now the appointment of a

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Speaker 3: special counsel, because I think it both creates political and

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Speaker 3: legal jeopardy. Because politically, I think it puts the Biden

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Speaker 3: team in a really tough spot because they've tried to

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Speaker 3: argue there's nothing to this Hunter case and that it's

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Speaker 3: all a Republican fever dream.

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Speaker 2: It's not really what they've been arguing.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, what they've been arguing is that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden didn't do as well initially, which is what I said,

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Speaker 3: there's nothing here at all. Biden said his son did

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Speaker 3: nothing improper, like he's continued to have to like change this.

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Speaker 2: They have moved, but they have not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I look at those Morning Joe clips, like

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Speaker 1: I see what the talking points are for these Democrats

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Speaker 1: for the left. They're not saying Hunter paid his taxes.

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Speaker 1: They're not saying Hunter didn't lie on a gun for him,

873
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Like it's known that these things happened. The question has

874
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Speaker 1: been is there any connective tissue to Joe Biden and

875
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: the corruption component of it?

876
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: Right?

877
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a Hunter.

878
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Has always been somewhat disposable in all of this for them,

879
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: for their for their political needs. So now if they

880
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: if they if they give there's a few options, right,

881
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Speaker 1: they give him a deal that has jail time, a

882
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: deal that's a sweetheart deal. They bring a prosecution, or

883
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Speaker 1: they run out the status, they run out the statute

884
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Speaker 1: of limitations, and m clay you can actually argue if

885
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: they do run out, and again we don't know if

886
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: they run out the statute of limitations, it's actually a

887
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: better deal for Hunter than what was gonna what he

888
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: was gonna he was gonna do potentially is. But I

889
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: think it's a worse deal politically. And I understand the

890
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: argument that they're trying to wall off Joe Biden. I

891
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: think that's the Democrat perspective writ large. I don't think

892
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Joe Biden wants Hunter walled off because he's consistently he

893
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: brought Hunter to the India the State Dinner, he continues

894
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: to travel with Hunter on overseas trips, he continues to

895
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Speaker 1: take him to Camp David. To me, Biden meaning Joe

896
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: has tried to argue consistently that Hunter didn't do anything wrong.

897
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Speaker 1: Other people have looked around and said, yeah, you know,

898
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Speaker 1: the guy clearly didn't pay taxes, he's got a gun,

899
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Speaker 1: charges at the crackhead, all those things. I just think

900
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Speaker 1: that the longer Hunter looms as an uncertainty, the worst

901
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: it is for the larger Biden apparatus, both politically and legally. Clay,

902
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I was there in twenty nineteen when John

903
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: Solomon at the Hill was breaking the stories about Barisma.

904
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Speaker 1: It was years ago. This stuff has been going on,

905
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: and they've delayed it so far. As Andy was saying

906
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: that the worst charges are already gone. I mean, the

907
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: worst charges you're gonna hit him with have already been.

908
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: They've already run the statue limitations, right.

909
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: So they keep painting them into more of a corner

910
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 3: because to your point on the John Solomon reports, remember

911
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: just back in twenty twenty during the election in October,

912
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: Democrats tried to say that the Hunter Biden laptop was

913
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: Russian disinformation. My point is they keep giving up the

914
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Speaker 3: round to paint themselves into a tinier corner.

915
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: But the Hunt the laptop disinformation than Clay. They all

916
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: like that was a lie that they only had to

917
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: get through for a couple of months for the election.

918
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: They knew it wasn't going to stand it.

919
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: There was not.

920
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: Well over half of Democrats still believe it. So when

921
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Speaker 3: they have to put on them in there just as sadly,

922
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: this is my thing like when c yeah, I agree,

923
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Speaker 3: we agree on that. When CNN and MSNBC, in the

924
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Speaker 3: New York Times and the Wall Street Journal all have

925
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Speaker 3: to put on their front page Hunter Biden Special Council appointment,

926
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: it's really hard for the argument to be that there's

927
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: nothing to see here. It gets more difficult for the

928
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Speaker 3: propaganda media to make that argument. And remember a lot

929
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Speaker 3: of Democrat voters and maybe a lot of independent voters

930
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: out there still don't know anything associated with.

931
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Speaker 1: The I still think. I mean, I look, man, I

932
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Speaker 1: worked at CNN. I'll tell you they're just going to

933
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Speaker 1: say first of all, they're not going to ask questions,

934
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Speaker 1: they're not going to be pushing this story. And unless

935
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Speaker 1: there's something from the Special Council, it's just going to

936
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Speaker 1: be Fox News and talk radio being like, hey, what's

937
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: going on with that special ed cruz By going with us.

938
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Speaker 3: Now, Senator, what do you think what's the significance of

939
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: today's Special Council appointment from your perspective?

940
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Speaker 7: Well, I suppose it is a slight marginal improvement. I

941
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 7: think Merrick Garland felt backed into a corner that he

942
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 7: had to do something every single day. The evidence of

943
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 7: Biden corruption has been growing, the evidence of number one,

944
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 7: Hunter Biden's multiple criminal acts, but the evidence number two,

945
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 7: I think is growing daily of Joe Biden's criminal acts

946
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Speaker 7: and number three of the Biden Justice Departments. Efforts to

947
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 7: protect Hunter Biden and to protect Joe Biden have been

948
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Speaker 7: made both both senior career employees and so I think

949
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Speaker 7: Merrick Garland is doing this to try to get some cover,

950
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 7: but the fact that he appointed the same US attorney

951
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 7: who negotiated the sweetheart deal to begin with does not

952
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 7: give anyone any confidence.

953
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: Do you think this is going to result in any

954
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: real consequences for Hunter Biden, Joe Biden politically, or anybody

955
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: else involved here?

956
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 7: I have very little optimism that the Department of Justice

957
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 7: is going to do a damn thing. I think under

958
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 7: Merrick Garland, this has been the most political and partisan

959
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 7: Attorney General and Department of Justice we have ever seen.

960
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 7: When you know, if you listen to the testimony of

961
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 7: the irs whistleblowers, they have alleged that Merrick Garland, the

962
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 7: Attorney General of the United States, lied under oath to

963
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 7: the United States Congress in response to questions that I asked.

964
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Speaker 7: That's a felony. They also have alleged that Merrick Garland

965
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 7: and others of the Department of Justice and engaged in

966
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 7: obstruction of justice, actively blocking the investigation into Hunter Biden,

967
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 7: tipping off Hunter Biden when they were going to question him,

968
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 7: tipping off Hunter Biden when they wanted to execute a

969
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 7: search warrant, and preventing any questions whatsoever addressing Joe Biden

970
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 7: or the big guy blocking that as day lines of inquiry,

971
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 7: and that that level of politicization I think is shameful.

972
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 7: The only place I expect any modicum of accountability is

973
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 7: going to be from the House, and in the House

974
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 7: has consistently engaged in real oversight. As you guys know,

975
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 7: I do a podcast every week called Verdict with Ted Cruz.

976
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 7: It's Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and on today's podcast, I

977
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 7: walk through in detail the latest evidence and what it means.

978
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 7: It's very hard to get that anywhere other than something

979
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 7: like the Epic with Ted Cruz.

980
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: So what do you think?

981
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: Let's go to Trump quickly here and we appreciate you

982
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: joining US Senator Ted Cruz. I've argued that the case

983
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: in South Florida is easier to prove, but the jury

984
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: pool is likely to be far better for Trump, and

985
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: also the judge is wayfarer. Meanwhile, the DC case is

986
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: I think complete garbage, and I'm curious how you would

987
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: analyze it from a legal perspective. But the judge and

988
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: the jury is likely to be very biased against Trump.

989
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 3: That's just the federal charges. But would you agree or

990
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: how would you analyze those situations in general.

991
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 7: Clay, I think that's exactly right, and I think between

992
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 7: the two there's much greater jeopardy than the DC case.

993
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 7: And there's greater jeopardy a because the judge that got

994
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 7: assigned to is a very left wing judge. She may

995
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 7: be the most left wing of all the federal judges

996
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 7: in DC, and that's a pool of judges that is

997
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 7: already very left wing. So you can expect that she

998
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 7: is going to rule consistently in favor of the Department

999
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 7: of Justice and against President Trump. And then the jury

1000
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 7: pool d C is one of, if not the most

1001
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 7: liberal jurisdiction in the entire country. Over ninety percent of

1002
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 7: the residents there opposed Donald Trump. You're going to get

1003
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 7: a jury that it's very likely hates Donald Trump. And

1004
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 7: this is not about ultimately getting a legal conviction. I

1005
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 7: believe if they got a conviction, it would be reversed

1006
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 7: at the US Supreme Court, that the legal basis for

1007
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 7: the case in DC is extraordinarily weak. But they're not

1008
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 7: aiming for a conviction that will stick. This is all

1009
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 7: about muddying up Trump. I think what Joe Biden and

1010
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 7: the Biden doj wants is they Number one, they want

1011
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 7: Trump to win the nomination, and they recognize every time

1012
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 7: they in die m Trump's numbers of the Republican primary

1013
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 7: go up. But number two, they want him to lose

1014
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 7: the general election, and they want him to be in

1015
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 7: the middle of a criminal trial right before election day

1016
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 7: next year. And they think if they bloody him up enough,

1017
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 7: he'll lose the race. And that's their objective. And I

1018
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 7: think they know full well that any conviction they got

1019
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 7: from a DC jury would be very likely to be

1020
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 7: overturned on appeal, but it'd be after the fact, after

1021
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 7: the election.

1022
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: Senator Cruz, what do you think happens if they were

1023
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: to get let's just say, in DC, where there's going

1024
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: to be this jury pool, that is very likely the

1025
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: least sare mind did never mind favorable toward Donald Trump

1026
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: of any major city jury pool in the country.

1027
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: What happens if he's found guilty.

1028
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 7: Well, to be honest, I think the odds are quite

1029
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 7: high that he will be found guilty, given the judge,

1030
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 7: given the jury pool. If you were betting money, you

1031
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 7: would bet money right now that he would be found

1032
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 7: guilty in front of that judge in that jury and

1033
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 7: I think the Biden Department of Justice wants that guilty

1034
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 7: verdict about October of next year, right before the election.

1035
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 7: Now it's worth noting Jack Smith a special prosecutor. He

1036
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 7: has a history of doing this. If you look back

1037
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 7: at Bob McDonald, he was the Republican governor of Virginia

1038
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 7: at the time. Bob McDonald was considered a serious and

1039
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 7: credible presidential contender, and Jack Smith indicted Bob McDonald, indicted

1040
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 7: him on very questionable legal theories, and he got a

1041
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 7: conviction and it ended Bob McDonald's political career, destroyed him

1042
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 7: in the presidential race. That case went up on appeal

1043
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 7: to the US Supreme Court and Jack Smith lost unanimously.

1044
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 7: Every single justice voted to overturn the conviction because the

1045
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 7: legal theory was not supported by the law. I think

1046
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 7: Jack Smith is repeating that pattern. That's what he wants

1047
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 7: to have happened. And the objective here is not a

1048
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 7: conviction that's consistent with law. It's a political victory of

1049
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 7: getting a conviction right before election day. Because this is

1050
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 7: I believe, a blatant effort at election interference, and it's

1051
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 7: a politicization of the Department of Justice.

1052
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: I tossed the theory out there.

1053
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 7: Now.

1054
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 3: I want your opinion on this. You're a far more

1055
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: reasoned legal mind. You could have been on the Supreme

1056
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: Court if you wanted to. And we just asked Andy

1057
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: McCarthy about this and he had an answer. But I

1058
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: think you're allayed aligned a little bit more with me

1059
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: here On the DC charges in particular, they're very expansive.

1060
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: They haven't been used before. There are lots of theories here,

1061
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: But I keep coming back to this. They changed the law,

1062
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: but they wrote a legal memo laying out what they

1063
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: believed Mike Pence could do to reject electors. They wrote

1064
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: a legal memo. I'm not familiar. Maybe you are with

1065
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: basically a legal theory being criminalized and one being criminalized

1066
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: that was actually written down in a legal memo and

1067
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: analyzed its likelihood of success.

1068
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: And yet they've also changed the law.

1069
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: You were a part of this in December of twenty

1070
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: twenty two to say Mike Pence can't do what he

1071
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: was asked to do by the Trump legal team. Isn't

1072
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: this kind of a dead on arrival? I attempt to

1073
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: criminalize legal advice.

1074
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 7: I think if the Supreme Court it would be and

1075
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,959
Speaker 7: you look at an individual. I'm not aware of any

1076
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 7: precedent where an individual receives conflicting legal advice from serious

1077
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 7: lawyers on two sides of an issue and agrees with

1078
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 7: one of the lawyers and that's somehow a criminal offense.

1079
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 7: It's possible that either lawyer was wrong, but it's never

1080
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 7: been deemed a criminal offense to agree with legal advice

1081
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 7: given given by a lawyer in writing. And it also

1082
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 7: is not a criminal offense for any individual, and especially

1083
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 7: for the president of the United States, to engage in

1084
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 7: political speech. And much of this is about criminalizing political speech.

1085
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 7: Read through the complaint and it's ludicrous. They just said, well,

1086
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 7: Trump knew as lawyers were wrong. Well, they have no

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Speaker 7: basis for that. They're just asserting that there And the

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Speaker 7: reason they say is, well, other people told him that

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Speaker 7: was wrong. Well, okay, if you get advice from multiple lawyers,

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Speaker 7: the fact that one lawyer disagrees with another doesn't suddenly

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Speaker 7: magically transform it into a criminal offense to believe a

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Speaker 7: different lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Senator Cruz. A lot like going for different

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Speaker 3: medical opinions. Doctors disagree, lawyers disagree. I can't believe this

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Speaker 3: is being criminalized. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 7: Sir, Thank you my friends. God bless.

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