WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Good To Be Alive

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>The feels good to be alive right about now. Addition,

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<v Speaker 2>as the seven and six Bengals look to boost their

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<v Speaker 2>playoff chances by beating the Vikings on Saturday at Paycorp Stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up, I'll talk to Chase brown about running twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two miles an hour. Chris Rose from the NFL Network

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<v Speaker 2>shares his thoughts on Jake Browning's remarkable rise, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this week's No The Fox Conversation, we'll take an in

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<v Speaker 2>depth look at the Vikings with Kevin Seaffert, who covers

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<v Speaker 2>the team for ESPN. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bengals. Now here's a quick remind me that

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<v Speaker 2>you can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered

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<v Speaker 2>you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since crowd

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<v Speaker 2>noise in the jungle. The Bengals have home field advantage

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday against the team that is about to use

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<v Speaker 2>its fourth different starting quarterback. After Kirk Cousins tore his

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<v Speaker 2>achilles in Week eight, rookie Jaren Hall started a game,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Dobbs started the next four, and now Nick Mullins

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<v Speaker 2>is scheduled to be in there against Cincinnati. Additionally, the

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<v Speaker 2>Vikings starting right tackle Brian O'Neill injured his ankle last week,

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<v Speaker 2>left the stadium in a walking boot, and didn't practice

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday or Wednesday. With those things in mind, Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor says Bengals fans can play a significant role on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>If the person three seats down from you in the

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<v Speaker 3>row can't hear you, then you're doing a good job, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's essentially what quarterback's dealing with as he's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to communicate with a tackle make a last second

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<v Speaker 3>communication to the receiver. If they can't hear him, they

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<v Speaker 3>can't make that check. And so it's critical in a

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<v Speaker 3>December game like this with a team coming on the

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<v Speaker 3>road against us that third downs in particular, that's where

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<v Speaker 3>that's where you know, the communication is really stressed. But

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<v Speaker 3>every down, so I do challenge our fans. We got

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<v Speaker 3>outstanding fans to you know, drink one more drink and

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<v Speaker 3>rush in the stadium and be as loud as you

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<v Speaker 3>can humanly possibly be when Minnesota's offense is out there

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<v Speaker 3>and help our guys. And and that's that is a

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<v Speaker 3>critical element that we get this home field advantage. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not playing on the road this week. If we were

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<v Speaker 3>playing in Minnesota, it would be a real problem. And

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<v Speaker 3>so Minnesota is here, Let's make a real problem for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a call to action, Bengals fans. Zach Taylor wants

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<v Speaker 2>you to be loud. I'm sure you'll make him proud.

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<v Speaker 2>Now time for my first guest. Rookie Chase Brown is

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<v Speaker 2>given the Bengals offense a turbo boost over the last

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks. In the Jacksonville game, he had thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen yard runs and in the Colts game, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a ten yard run, caught a screen pass for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five yards, and caught this screen pass for his

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<v Speaker 2>first NFL touchdown. Rookie Chase Brown checks in for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time at running back after nine carries for sixty

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<v Speaker 2>one yards last week, they fake it to him. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they screen it to him, all sorts of running room

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<v Speaker 2>and balkers in front. He's flying to the thirty the twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>the ten touch back makes a man miss.

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<v Speaker 3>Half the five touchdown Bengals.

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<v Speaker 4>Chase Brown showing his.

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<v Speaker 2>Speed as he flies down.

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<v Speaker 1>The field for the Bengals touchdown.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to Chase about that play and his rookie

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<v Speaker 2>year this week. Chase, on your fifty four yard screen

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<v Speaker 2>pass touchdown last week, you were timed at twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>point zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Five miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the second fastest time of need ball carrier in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL this year, behind only DK Metcalf of Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>You are ahead of the Cheetah Tyreek Hill, who has

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<v Speaker 2>three of the top eight times. Did you think of

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<v Speaker 2>yourself as one of the fastest people in the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>before you saw that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I always knew I could run, but there's an

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<v Speaker 5>opportunity to open up. And I mean no, not initially,

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<v Speaker 5>but I mean the numbers are there and it's pretty

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<v Speaker 5>cool to reflect on.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried an experiment this week. I set the cruise

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<v Speaker 2>control on my car tot twenty two miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I stuck my head out the window to try to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like what it must be like to run that fast?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it God given for the product of hard work.

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<v Speaker 5>My mom was a great athlete and my dad's a

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<v Speaker 5>good athlete, So definitely have the genetics to back up

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<v Speaker 5>a twenty two mile privor speed. But you know, maintaining

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<v Speaker 5>that over time is you know, hard work and effort,

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<v Speaker 5>and obviously I feel like there's so many areas I

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<v Speaker 5>can improve, and you know that's what I'm focused on

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We're chatting to Chase Brown. In the last two games,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Mixon has combined for two hundred and forty two

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<v Speaker 2>rushing and receiving yards. You have one twenty one. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the classic thunder and lightning backfield. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>guys feed off each other?

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<v Speaker 5>I definitely feed off his energy, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>think we both sparked the offense in different ways, so

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<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, we combo each other well.

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<v Speaker 2>After the game, you climbed into the stands to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>with some folks who had come down from your hometown

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Who were they?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Those are those are my high school coaches from Canada,

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<v Speaker 5>guys that introduced me to the game of football, and

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<v Speaker 5>extremely grateful for the group of guys, especially making a

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<v Speaker 5>trip out they did. They didn't have to do that,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, they're just showing their genuine interests in

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<v Speaker 5>me and supporting me, and I'm just grateful that they

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<v Speaker 5>were able to be there for that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>We're chatting to Chase Brown. The coaches made it pretty

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<v Speaker 2>clear coming out of the buy back in week eight

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<v Speaker 2>that you were going to start getting more opportunities, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you hurt your hand. I'm string at practice where

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<v Speaker 2>you worried that your big chance had come and gone.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I have a a positive mindset, so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I knew that there's opportunity there. But you know, injury

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<v Speaker 5>kind of helped me back, but I saw it as

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<v Speaker 5>an opportunity to make sure I was ready to go

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<v Speaker 5>mentally some as I got back, so you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>prepared as if I was playing every single week, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know that paid off.

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<v Speaker 2>An NFL player's rookie year is a roller coaster ride.

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<v Speaker 2>You are going through it with your twin brother, Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>who is playing for the Philadelphia Eagles. How much have

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<v Speaker 2>you helped each other get through the roller coaster ride

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<v Speaker 2>a year one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, we just talk. It makes the process

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<v Speaker 5>so much easier when you know you have a twin

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<v Speaker 5>brother that's pretty much exactly like you, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>going through something similar to you. So to sharing our experiences,

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<v Speaker 5>talking about the goods and the bads and ups and

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<v Speaker 5>the downs, and you know, that's always that always helps.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a little therapy session any time I get

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<v Speaker 5>on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Browning is not a rookie, but he's getting his

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<v Speaker 2>first opportunity at roughly the same time as you are.

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<v Speaker 2>What has he shown you over the past few weeks.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he's he's a great leader, number one, But.

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<v Speaker 4>Dudes, dialed in.

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<v Speaker 5>He's playing really good football right now, and I mean

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<v Speaker 5>him just being him as you know, helping us win

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<v Speaker 5>games and you know, sparking the offense in different ways.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I'm sure he learned a lot from

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Joe Burrow throughout his time here, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's just ready to show who he is and make

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<v Speaker 5>the most of this opportunity that's in front of him.

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<v Speaker 2>You had an extremely heavy workload last year at Illinois

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and twenty eight attempts. That's roughly twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>a game. You had forty one carries in one game.

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<v Speaker 2>You got nineteen so far this year. How fresh do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel as a result.

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty fresh, A lot more fresh than I did during

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<v Speaker 5>the Illinois season. But you know, I kind of I

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<v Speaker 5>took pride in them giving the ball seven times a game.

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<v Speaker 5>They trusted me to make plays and get the ball

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<v Speaker 5>in the end zone. So that's that was my job

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<v Speaker 5>back then. Right now, it's just a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a role player. I'm gonna do my role to

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<v Speaker 5>the best my ability, and you don't do whatever I

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<v Speaker 5>can help this team win.

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<v Speaker 2>You've given the offense a huge jolt over the past

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. It's been fun to watch. Best of

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<v Speaker 2>luck this week and going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go back to that GPS measurement of twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>point zero five miles an hour, the second fastest for

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<v Speaker 2>any ball carrier in the NFL this year. Jamar Chase

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<v Speaker 2>is eleventh on the list. He hit twenty one point

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<v Speaker 2>five four miles an hour when he caught a sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three yard touchdown bomb from Joe Burrow in Arizona. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember a couple of years ago against Kansas City, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar caught a short pass and then ran away from

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<v Speaker 2>about seven guys on a seventy two yard touchdown. He

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<v Speaker 2>reached twenty one point seven four miles an hour on

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<v Speaker 2>that one. In other words, not quite measuring up to

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Brown's numb. Here's Jamar's reaction.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe I'm slow man.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever crossed seen your numbers? I'm slow right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I just looked up the GPS from the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one Kansas City catch. It was twenty one point seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, what he twenty one point eight? He was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two five?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh damn, I'm slow, slow man, I'm slow.

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<v Speaker 2>On the Kansas City play, you kind of had to start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from a standing position almost, so it's harder

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<v Speaker 2>to get up to twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already moving when he caught the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>You said I was twenty one?

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<v Speaker 2>Was the other twenty one point seven and the other

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. This year against Arizona, twenty one point five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm slow, broke. You gotta love Jabbar. Chase.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, he needs twenty three catches in the

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<v Speaker 2>final four games of the year to break TJ. Hushman's

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<v Speaker 2>out of his team record of one hundred and twelve

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<v Speaker 2>receptions in a single season. The Bengals Booth Podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>provider of the Bengals. Saturday's game will be broadcast nationally

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<v Speaker 2>on the NFL Network, and I caught up with one

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<v Speaker 2>of the broadcasters on Wednesday. He is the host of

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<v Speaker 2>NFL Game Day Highlights every Sunday on the NFL Network,

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<v Speaker 2>and this Saturday he will do play by play of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals Vikings game.

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<v Speaker 1>It is great to visit with Chris Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, we are always interested in getting the national perspective

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cincinnati Bengals. Have you been wowed by what

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Browning has done over the past couple of weeks?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, Dan, I don't think there's a question about it.

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<v Speaker 7>We were all watching that Ravens Bengals game and when

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<v Speaker 7>Joe Burrow couldn't throw the ball on the sidelines, we

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<v Speaker 7>were like, Okay, we'll see the Bengals in twenty twenty four. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>I guess joke's on everybody else, because the Bengals are

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<v Speaker 7>playing great football.

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<v Speaker 4>They're actually a.

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<v Speaker 7>Very healthy team outside of the quarterback position, and I

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<v Speaker 7>think they're one of those teams. It only feels like

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<v Speaker 7>twenty teams in the AFC are at seven and six,

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<v Speaker 7>and the Bengals are one of them. Hey, everybody's talking

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<v Speaker 7>up Buffalo and that's the team you don't want to

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<v Speaker 7>see in the playoffs. I think Brown can keep doing

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<v Speaker 7>what he's doing. I have a feeling, based on Cincinnati's

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<v Speaker 7>pedigree over the last couple of years, that it might

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<v Speaker 7>be the Bengals that you do not want to face

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<v Speaker 7>come mid January.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure as you have prepped to do play

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<v Speaker 2>by play this week, you've learned a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>about the Bengals beyond the stars that maybe you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know from doing the highlights every Sunday. What stands out

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<v Speaker 2>to you as you've learned more about this.

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<v Speaker 7>Team, Well, I mean, listen, I knew that they were

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<v Speaker 7>really young in the secondary right. We watch all the

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<v Speaker 7>games together every Sunday as we get ready for our

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<v Speaker 7>game day highlights and game day final shows, and it

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<v Speaker 7>just seems like every time they're trotting out a rookie

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<v Speaker 7>or a second year guy back there. Cameron Taylor Britt,

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<v Speaker 7>who unfortunately is not going to play as he continues

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<v Speaker 7>to be on IR, was a guy that the first

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<v Speaker 7>half of the season we were like, Oh, that's one

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<v Speaker 7>of those dudes who's making the huge leap. But DJ

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<v Speaker 7>Turner has done a really nice job. Jordan Battle has

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<v Speaker 7>now become a starter, so it feels like they've got

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<v Speaker 7>their secondary for years to come. Chase Brown has added

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<v Speaker 7>just a different element now that he's touched the ball

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<v Speaker 7>the last two weeks. You know, he's one of those

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<v Speaker 7>guys where you always hear rookies can't pass, block, and

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<v Speaker 7>I understand with Joe Burrow in the injured cap the

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<v Speaker 7>first month of the year, YU wouldn't want him back there.

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<v Speaker 7>Then he got the hamstring injury, and then last week

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<v Speaker 7>it looks like he was freaking shot out of a cannon.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 7>We all watched that screenplay early on, We're like, what

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<v Speaker 7>the heck just happened there because nobody's you know, we

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<v Speaker 7>all saw him at the combine. I think he ran

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<v Speaker 7>like a four to four to three, which is a

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<v Speaker 7>really good time, but it's not like DJ Turner's four

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<v Speaker 7>to two six or something.

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<v Speaker 4>But he just looked so much faster than everybody else.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, they got to get the ball to guy,

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<v Speaker 7>and so I expect more of that to happen this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, you went to Miami University worked at Fox nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>here in Cincinnati for a while back in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bengals were struggling at the time. What memories do

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<v Speaker 2>you have of covering the Bengals back then?

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<v Speaker 7>They were struggling, and I was struggling as I was

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<v Speaker 7>learning to get into this business.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was actually a perfect match.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember when Shula was the coach, David Shula, and

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<v Speaker 7>I want to say that one year they started out

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<v Speaker 7>oh and eight or oh to nine or something like that,

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<v Speaker 7>and they finally won a game. And here I am.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like I was. I was Greg Hord's sports producer

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<v Speaker 7>and Kevin Fraser's sports producer, and so I had to

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<v Speaker 7>go down to interview the coach afterward the next day

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<v Speaker 7>and it's you know, there's a few writers in there

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<v Speaker 7>and a couple of camera people, but it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 7>very large contingent of media. And I'm thinking to myself, well,

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<v Speaker 7>this is this is the day I can ask a

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<v Speaker 7>good question or something. And I asked him something about out,

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<v Speaker 7>well you have a win, but now you're like one

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<v Speaker 7>in eight or one and nine, and he looked at

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<v Speaker 7>me and he was like, can I enjoy this for

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<v Speaker 7>one day? Can't we all just enjoy this for one day?

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<v Speaker 7>And I was like, oh my god, So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 7>got nailed. Back then I was like, don't try and

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<v Speaker 7>be that tough guy. Just ask a legitimate question here,

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<v Speaker 7>you moron.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with Chris Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of the job that Duke Tobin

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<v Speaker 2>has done in building the roster and Zach Taylor and

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<v Speaker 2>his leadership of this franchise?

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<v Speaker 4>Great? That's great.

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<v Speaker 7>Now listen, did they did they end up in a

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<v Speaker 7>fortune area where Joe Burrow was the quarterback that was

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<v Speaker 7>available in twenty twenty? You know absolutely, You know, Kyler

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<v Speaker 7>Murray's a good quarterback, but he's not Joe Burrow. Baker

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<v Speaker 7>Mayfield two years earlier solid quarterback, but he's now on

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<v Speaker 7>his fourth team. I mean, could the Browns have taken

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<v Speaker 7>Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen with that, yes, absolutely, But

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<v Speaker 7>the Bengals they picked the right one. Although Justin Herbert

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<v Speaker 7>has been very good and Tua is going to make

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<v Speaker 7>the playoffs this year. They picked the right one, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's the centerpiece, right. You get that piece on and

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<v Speaker 7>then the rest kind of falls into place. But their

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<v Speaker 7>free agent signings have been I think pretty solid. The

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<v Speaker 7>offensive line, although you know at times it's been a

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<v Speaker 7>little leaky, is significantly improved over the first time we

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<v Speaker 7>saw Joe Burrow in the playoffs. Trey Hendrickson has been

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<v Speaker 7>nothing short of phenomenal. And you win in this league

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<v Speaker 7>when you make great draft picks, not just with your

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<v Speaker 7>first rounder. I mean, that's the one that gets all

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<v Speaker 7>the press, but it's those guys in the third, fourth,

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<v Speaker 7>and fifth rounds that are going to help you become champions.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, just follow the trail of the Kansas City

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<v Speaker 7>Chiefs a year ago, particularly on the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 7>the football, where they had guys in rounds two, three,

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<v Speaker 7>and four, and even in seven playing significant roles as

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<v Speaker 7>they ran all the way to the Super Bowl, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think that Duke Tobin has done as good a

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<v Speaker 7>job as any talent evaluator in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the muddled pack of teams at seven and

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<v Speaker 2>six in the AFC. The Bengals probably need to go

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<v Speaker 2>three and one in their last four games. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings this week, then the Steelers, then the Chiefs,

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<v Speaker 2>and finally a home game against the Cleveland Browns. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of their chances of emerging from this

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<v Speaker 2>pack of seven and six teams and getting in So.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't Here's what I would I would advise all Bengals

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<v Speaker 7>fans out there, don't do the whole schedule thing, like,

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<v Speaker 7>don't try and figure out what every other team who's

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<v Speaker 7>fighting for a walk, well, they're going to lose to them,

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<v Speaker 7>and those guys are gonna beat that. That doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 7>Just go back to Monday night for the proof. Right,

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<v Speaker 7>The Tennessee Titans had not won a road game all year.

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<v Speaker 7>They were without their best player on either side of

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<v Speaker 7>the football, and Jeffrey Simmons, and they went down to

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<v Speaker 7>Miami and one when they were down fourteen points with

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<v Speaker 7>like three minutes to go. So just let's stop that

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<v Speaker 7>right now. If you want to familiarize yourself with the

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<v Speaker 7>tiebreaker scenario, go ahead and let me know how that

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<v Speaker 7>goes for you. Because I have followed this sport for

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<v Speaker 7>like forty five years and I've read it eighteen times

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<v Speaker 7>in the last three days and I still can't figure

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<v Speaker 7>it out. So just you know what, let's take a

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<v Speaker 7>sports cliche, everybody. Let's take it one game at a time.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll deal with this Saturday, whatever happens on Sunday, and

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<v Speaker 7>then Monday night, we'll deal with it next week. So

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, like, I hate cliches, but let's just do that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think you have a really good shot this weekend.

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<v Speaker 7>I know you got to play four winning teams over

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<v Speaker 7>the last month, but everybody but Mahomes is a backup quarterback,

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<v Speaker 7>So just roll with it. And by the way, ten

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<v Speaker 7>and seven I don't think necessarily is the number because

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's going to be more than three teams

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<v Speaker 7>at ten and seven, and then we have to get

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<v Speaker 7>into the full tiebreaker scenario that I can't explain to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>If you figure out the tiebreakers by Saturday, please let

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<v Speaker 2>me know because I'm struggling with it as well, so

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be calling Bengals Vikings this week. Like the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 2>the Vikings are seven and six, They are doing it

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<v Speaker 2>without Kirk Cousins and they have a winning record since

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<v Speaker 2>he went down eight games into the season.

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<v Speaker 1>How are they doing it?

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<v Speaker 4>Defense?

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<v Speaker 7>Ryan Flores took over as the defensive play caller from

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<v Speaker 7>Ed Donna Tell and they are totally different than.

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<v Speaker 4>A year ago.

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<v Speaker 7>They lead the league in blitzes, they lead the league

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<v Speaker 7>in three and fewer pass rushers. So what does that mean.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't really get a grasp on what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 7>They're all over the place. So Jake Browning one play

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<v Speaker 7>might see six or seven bodies up at the line

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<v Speaker 7>of scrimmage, and the next down he might see two,

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<v Speaker 7>which makes it fun for that Minnesota defense. Ivan Pace,

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<v Speaker 7>who of course grew up there in Cincinnati, went to

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<v Speaker 7>Cole Rain and I will take him as a Miami

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<v Speaker 7>red Hawk, even though he finished that last year with

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<v Speaker 7>the Cincinnati Bearcats. He is a red Hawk at heart,

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<v Speaker 7>and when I talk to him, I will let him

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<v Speaker 7>know that is the reigning NFC Defensive Player of the Week.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, he had an amazing stat line in that

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<v Speaker 7>monumental three to nothing win over the Laws Vegas Raiders.

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<v Speaker 7>We had thirteen tackles, a forced fumble, and a pick.

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<v Speaker 7>We hadn't seen a rookie do that since the Texans

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<v Speaker 7>coach Tamiko Ryans did it seventeen years ago, if my

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<v Speaker 7>math is right. So they're just doing it with defense Offensively.

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<v Speaker 7>Nick Mullens is the guy that can sling it a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. He's no joke.

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<v Speaker 7>He's got a decent arm, but he'll throw it to you.

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<v Speaker 7>He's kind of like, you know, he went to Southern

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<v Speaker 7>miss and of course the most famous player from there

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<v Speaker 7>is Brett Farr. Just like Farm, He's going to throw

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<v Speaker 7>it to you a couple times a game. It's just

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<v Speaker 7>whether or not you're gonna catch it.

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<v Speaker 2>So with those things in mind, give us a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of keys to the Bengals getting out of pay Court

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium on Saturday with a win.

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<v Speaker 7>Well last week I talked to a good friend of

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<v Speaker 7>mine who actually works for the Bengals this week and

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<v Speaker 7>he reminded me he might even be on this right now.

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<v Speaker 7>The zoom call that the Bengals did not give up

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<v Speaker 7>a sack for the first time in their last forty

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<v Speaker 7>three games, so If you do that against daneil Hunter

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<v Speaker 7>and Crewe, that's that's a good deal. It's really important

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<v Speaker 7>we look. Jake Browning has been great against like Blitz's.

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<v Speaker 7>I just noticed his numbers. He's completing two thirds of

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<v Speaker 7>his passes and has put up some pretty gaudy numbers.

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<v Speaker 7>But you want to make it so that he's not

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<v Speaker 7>getting a lot of pressure in his face. I would

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<v Speaker 7>use Chase brown a ton. I'm a big fan of

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<v Speaker 7>that kid. I know i'd like shiny new toys, but

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<v Speaker 7>I think he's not just a different gear. He's like

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<v Speaker 7>a different sports car that's been hanging out in the

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<v Speaker 7>garage with the you know, the canvas over it for

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<v Speaker 7>two months. So I would use him. And I think

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<v Speaker 7>it's going to be really fun to see between Jamar,

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<v Speaker 7>Chase and Justin Jefferson, which one of those two former

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<v Speaker 7>great LSU teammates has the better day, because you better

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<v Speaker 7>believe they both want to shine and outshine the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, this has been fun. Look forward to having you

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<v Speaker 2>back in town on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for your.

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<v Speaker 7>Time, absolutely and day if you need it. I've got

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<v Speaker 7>the entire tiebreaker scenario. It's right right down here somewhere

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<v Speaker 7>in one of these pages. So I'm going to send

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<v Speaker 7>all this to you. It's not sloppy or anything. We'll

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<v Speaker 7>take care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just summarize for me. Please just summarize.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in three words or less. It shouldn't be probab

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<v Speaker 4>that'd be perfect. Thanks Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still not sure that I have a total grasp

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<v Speaker 2>of the playoff tiebreakers, but I know this thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>my pal Jay Morrison, who covers the Bengals for Pro

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<v Speaker 2>Football Network. There are three NFL games on Saturday. If

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals beat the Vikings, the Colts beat the Steelers,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Lions beat the Broncos, and those are the

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<v Speaker 2>teams that are favored to win, the Bengals would jump

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<v Speaker 2>to the number six playoff seed in the AFC, and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that happens on Sunday would change that. Finally, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time for this week's Know the Faux segment. The Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>Vikings were four and four when Kirk Cousins tore his achilles,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're three and two since, including that three nothing

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 2>win over the Raiders last week that was scoreless with

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes to go. Kevin Seaffert covers the Vikings for ESPN.

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<v Speaker 2>He joined Dave Lapham and me on the Bengals Game

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<v Speaker 2>Plan Show this week and explained how the Vikings have

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<v Speaker 2>managed to stay in playoff contention without their starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 6>Really their defense.

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<v Speaker 8>Brian Flores has come in this season his first year

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<v Speaker 8>of the defensive coordinator and has really engineered a one

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<v Speaker 8>hundred and eighty degree turn in the way they play defense.

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<v Speaker 8>From last season when they were a very passive, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>too deep type, look to this year where they have

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<v Speaker 8>essentially with the same players, become this like wild blitzing,

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<v Speaker 8>mixing coverages, mixing positions, essentially using.

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<v Speaker 6>Players at multiple positions at any given time.

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<v Speaker 8>And really since the start, since about the third or

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<v Speaker 8>the fourth week of the season, they've been a top

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<v Speaker 8>five defense across the board. And so that's what you

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 8>need when you lose your starting quarterback, and not only

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.400
<v Speaker 8>is your starting quarterback, but you lose your number two

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 8>and your number.

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<v Speaker 6>Three as well.

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<v Speaker 8>And Josh Dobbs when he was playing for the Vikings

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.360
<v Speaker 8>was really their fourth and so usually those situations lead

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 8>to a disaster. And one of the reasons the Vikings,

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<v Speaker 8>the biggest reason that hasn't been a disaster for them

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:06.160
<v Speaker 8>has been their defense.

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<v Speaker 9>What is it about the Vikings with close football games?

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<v Speaker 9>When they win eleven by one score or less? You

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<v Speaker 9>know last year that was a record, I think. And

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<v Speaker 9>then they've only had one game the entire season that's

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<v Speaker 9>been decided by fourteen points some more against at Green Bay.

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 9>Every other game there was one by eight, but that's

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<v Speaker 9>one score the only two point conversion. Eight points are less.

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 9>I mean, the six games they've lost by a total

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<v Speaker 9>of twenty three points. The games they've won has been

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:39.680
<v Speaker 9>a whole lot different. It's unbelievable how every single game

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.400
<v Speaker 9>unfolds to be like a one score game or less?

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<v Speaker 9>What is it?

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<v Speaker 8>And it's not great for the blood pressure of beat

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 8>riders on dead that. But they have played thirty games

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 8>since the start of when Kevin O'Connell became the coach.

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<v Speaker 8>Last year, twenty three of them have been decided by

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<v Speaker 8>one score games, so that, as you said, they are

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<v Speaker 8>eleven and zero last year. This year there's six and

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<v Speaker 8>six in the twelve games that have been one score and.

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<v Speaker 6>Then obviously the Packers game that you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I'm kind of out of explanations. I don't

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 8>think there's like a through line through all of these things.

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<v Speaker 8>I think last year especially, they were really good playing

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 8>fourth quarter situational football and so and they were they

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<v Speaker 8>able to pull out a lot of games at the

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<v Speaker 8>very end, either through game winning drives with Kirk Cousins

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 8>or their defense maybe making an interception here and there.

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<v Speaker 8>This year, it's been a little bit all over the map,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think it's just kind of an extreme example

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 8>of what we see across the league. I mean, my

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.719
<v Speaker 8>theory on the NFL is that every year there's a

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<v Speaker 8>handful of really good teams, maybe three to five, a

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.399
<v Speaker 8>handful of really bad teams another three and five, and

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 8>everybody else is in that middle, and vast majority.

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<v Speaker 6>Is in that middle. And so they're kind of an

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<v Speaker 6>extreme example.

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<v Speaker 8>Of that, where they're not good enough to just, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>especially this year, just reel off wins every time they're

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 8>in these close games, but they are good enough to

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<v Speaker 8>rarely get.

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<v Speaker 6>Blown out either. And so maybe it's just kind of.

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<v Speaker 8>A little bit of a microcosm of the larger, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>relative lack of disparity that we.

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<v Speaker 6>See in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 8>That they find themselves in every game playing with an

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 8>opponent not necessarily being better, but sometimes this year sometimes

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 8>coming out ahead sometimes this year being behind, but I'm

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 8>always very close and I expect more of that to

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<v Speaker 8>come this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Sefford covers the vikings for ESPN I do University

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of Cincinnati football game. So I can honestly say I

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 2>am not surprised that Ivan Pace is having success at

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the NFL level. What stands out to you about his

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<v Speaker 2>play as a rookie from Minnesota just you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, just so energetic.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, he from the from the beginning of train camp,

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 8>he was just making splash plays.

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<v Speaker 6>He would just you would just see.

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<v Speaker 8>Him running sideline the sideline in at a at a

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 8>rate that most of the guys weren't, especially when he

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 8>was working on that second and third team, Uh, those second.

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 6>And thirteen groups.

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<v Speaker 8>And then you never but you never know when you're

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<v Speaker 8>watching training camp what that means.

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes it's just.

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<v Speaker 8>A guy that's really it hustles a lot, but the

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 8>coaches don't see, you know, potential to actually be a

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<v Speaker 8>contributor at the first team. And then all of a

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 8>sudden he started, uh, you know, they'd have an inner

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.679
<v Speaker 8>squad scrimmage and he's working with the first team and

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 8>the guy that they had penciled in to be the

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 8>starters of the second team, and you think, oh, well,

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 8>maybe they're just seeing what he can do, and then

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 8>it just never stopped. They just he just kept showing

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 8>up and whenever they would line up with their first team,

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 8>he would be there.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>Brian Forlores's defense, I think has one of the things

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<v Speaker 8>that's been really good is that he has found ways

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 8>to maximize the skills of each guy, and so in

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 8>some cases that means they play ten snaps one week

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 8>and the next week they play fifty snaps. And so

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 8>that's where Ivan was at least early in the year,

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<v Speaker 8>like a lot of his playing time was based on

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 8>what Flores and the defensive staff thought was best for

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 8>that particular week. But then I think it was three

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 8>weeks ago Jordan Hicks, their veteran middle linebacker, had a

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 8>really serious leg injury, and so they had no choice

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 8>but to put Ivan out there every play and put

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 8>the green dot on his helmet and say, hey, be

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 8>the captain of our middle defense. And he's really just

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 8>taken the bull by the horns. And I think that

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 8>the game he had last week in Vegas, where he

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<v Speaker 8>had thirteen tackles in a sack and the game clinching

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 8>interception was definitely his best of the year and probably

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<v Speaker 8>a springboard of things to come.

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 9>The Vikings has scored twenty six points in the first

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<v Speaker 9>quarter in thirteen football games, two points per game. Why

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<v Speaker 9>the slow starts, do you think?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, early in the year they were on this crazy

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 8>run of not only not scoring but turning the ball over.

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 8>I think they had first half of the season. I

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 8>think it was four games where they turned the ball

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 8>opening over on the opening possession, and so they were

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 8>just coming out and maybe it was too you know,

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 8>overthinking their script a little bit. Maybe it was trying

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 8>to be too fine or too aggressive in what they

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 8>were projecting opponents to do.

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<v Speaker 6>But they were just really rough in.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 8>The in the especially on those opening drives, and that's

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 8>where you see a lot of teams really excel as

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 8>if you have the whole week to play in your

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 8>opening script and if nothing is gonna work the whole day,

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 8>but that but that, but you know that one one

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 8>drive will And so it was really wild and they

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 8>went they just kind of, I think, try to simplify

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 8>things a little bit, uh decided who they thought was,

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 8>you know, should have the ball in their hands more often,

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 8>and and and some other guys maybe a little less often,

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 8>and got that straightened out. And so I think that

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 8>the average you cited was probably broad down significantly by

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 8>that run they had in the beginning of the year.

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<v Speaker 6>So they've been a little bit better better.

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<v Speaker 8>But in the past two weeks, both the Raiders and

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 8>the Bears got the opening kickoff and ended up on

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 8>these long, time consuming, not a slight productive, but time

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 8>consuming drives.

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 6>And the Vikings didn'tn't.

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 8>Really have many plays in the first quarter of those

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 8>two games either, and so it's been a combination of factors.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 8>But now they've I think, have gotten their turnover situation

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 8>under control. They're a little bit more effective now in

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 8>the first quarters.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin, My final question has to do with Nick Mullins,

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<v Speaker 2>who will be the starting quarterback this week. Fourth starting

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>quarterback of the year for the Vikings, first time in

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>franchise history. Apparently they've started four in one season. Was

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>this building or was this just the result of him

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>having a good fourth quarter last week and the three

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<v Speaker 2>nothing win in Vegas?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it was a common factors.

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 8>Nick Mullens started the year at the Vikings number two

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 8>quarterback and he and then he had a back injury

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 8>that happened in practice and he went on injury reserve,

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<v Speaker 8>And if that injury had not happened, he would have

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 8>been the person who came in to replace Kirk Cousins

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 8>when Cousins suffered the Achilles injury, but he wasn't available,

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 8>so they went with a number three quarterback who got

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 8>Jared Hollow at a concussion, and then finally to Josh Jobbs.

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 8>And I think there was a belief all along that

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 8>they would eventually work their way back to Mullens. But

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 8>Dobbs had these great couple of games just to start

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 8>off and build himself up some equity, but over time

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 8>he started to have some struggles with turnovers and just

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 8>really getting down the complicated nature of this offense. So

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 8>maybe it had been building behind the scenes a little bit,

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 8>but they you know, he came in against Vegas.

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 6>And led the only scoring drive they had in the

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 6>whole game.

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 8>And so at this point, I don't know that Kevin O'Connell,

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 8>the head coach, had much of a choice but to

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 8>turn to Nick.

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 6>But he also, like I you know this, he had

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 6>a very cutting quote.

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:54.959
<v Speaker 8>Where he said, this is a week to week offense,

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 8>We're going to decide every week what we're doing and

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 8>who the people out there are going to be.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 6>That's doing it. And so I don't know that I

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 6>feel confident that Nick.

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 8>Mallins has started for the rest of the year, but

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 8>he's definitely going to be the starter this weekend.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks for giving us all the time you've given us.

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<v Speaker 9>My final question involves the tight end position. How good

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 9>is Hawkinson been? The Bengals have given up more receptions

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 9>and more receiving yards than any defense in the National

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 9>Football League. In Hawkinson eighty five catches over eight hundred yards,

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 9>five touchdowns receiving. How good is this dude?

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 8>Well, he's really become the security blanket for all the

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 8>Vikings quarterbacks, and for reasons that we haven't even talked

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 8>about yet, but justin Jefferson missed seven seven games with

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 8>a hamstring injury, most of last week with the after

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 8>he got hit in the back there and suffered a

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 8>chest injury. So Hokinson has sort of been the first

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 8>choice of every quarterback that's played for the Vikings this

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 8>year during the Jefferson time away, and so that's really

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 8>where Hockinson has made a lot of his Hey, he

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 8>has not been a great like downfield receiver per se

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 8>or a run after the catch guy, but in terms

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 8>of someone who knows how to find the little scene

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 8>in the in the zone and pulling a seven yard

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 8>catch on first and ten or a five yard catch

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 8>on third and three.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 6>He's been outstanding at that.

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 8>I think he has more catches or remember he's now

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 8>ranked number two in the NFL amongst all tight ends.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 8>And so he's been very durable and very available and

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 8>very much a security blanket for all of those guys.

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 6>And so we'll see.

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 8>How that, you know, how that plays out now that

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 8>we expect Jefferson to be on the field for most

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 8>of this game most is not all of this game Saturday,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 8>but he's always going to be there and he's always

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 8>going to be a guy that those quarterbacks know can

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 8>be a reliable gainer of yards.

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<v Speaker 9>And you're right, he's number one in tight end receptions

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 9>with eighty five and number one in tight end receptions

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 9>on third down with twenty five. So he's been a.

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 8>Beast, absolutely, And they traded for him last year from Detroit,

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 8>gave up a second round pick, and then sign him

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 8>to a huge contract extension, so he's a premium player

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 8>at a premium value and they're getting their money's worth

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 8>out of them This year.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bengals are currently a three point favorite this week.

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Here's an invitation to join Dave Lapham and me for

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals pep Rally Show this week. We'll be at

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the Wings and Rings location in Union, Kentucky on Friday

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<v Speaker 2>from three to six, and since it's the day before

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<v Speaker 2>a game, we won't have a current player joining us

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Our special guest will be the starting center

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<v Speaker 2>on the nineteen eighty eight Super Bowl team, Bruce Gazerski.

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