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Speaker 1: today to be joined by Ryan, Liza Telios, and also

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Speaker 1: the renowned American patriot and jurist, Judge Michael Ludig, who

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Speaker 1: has written exclusively with Ryan today a piece that we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about that is important to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and it's about something that's difficult for me to talk

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Speaker 1: and self evident truths steeped in faith and belief. So

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Speaker 1: because Judge Ludig is one of the pre eminent jurists

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Speaker 1: of American crisis his titanic integrity and contributions to the

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Speaker 1: sustainment of the rule of law. I think we should

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Speaker 1: start this conversation by invoking some of the words of

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Speaker 1: another giant of American history, another jurist, Judge Learned Hand,

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Speaker 1: who gave a speech in nineteen forty four called the

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Speaker 1: And Judge Hand said, in nineteen forty four, what then

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Speaker 1: is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it? Can

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Speaker 1: only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty

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Speaker 1: is the spirit which is not too sure that it

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Speaker 1: is right. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which

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Speaker 1: seeks to understand the mind of other men and women.

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Speaker 1: The spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their

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Speaker 1: remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded.

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Speaker 1: The spirit of liberty is the spirit of him who

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Speaker 1: near two thousand years ago taught mankind that lesson it

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Speaker 1: has never learned, but never quite forgotten, that there may

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Speaker 1: be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and

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Speaker 1: in the spirit of that America which lies hidden in

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Speaker 1: so Judge Ludig is very much a descendant of Judge

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Speaker 1: Hand who is smiling down at him today as he

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Speaker 1: writes this important piece. And Ryan is all start this

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Speaker 1: conversation with you today is how did you get Judge

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Speaker 1: Ludig to exclusively write this on your platform? And I

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Speaker 1: think that today some of the most important words written

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Speaker 2: Oh that is very very nice. I that's very very

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Speaker 2: nice of you to say, Steve. And I think we're

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Speaker 2: just embarrass Judge Loutig a little bit more with praise here, because,

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Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest living Americans. I've had the

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Speaker 2: pleasure of knowing Judge Lutig for about a little over

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Speaker 2: five years now, and I'll never forget I asked to

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Speaker 2: interview him once, sat him down on a set up

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Speaker 2: He seemed like a tortured prisoner by the end of it,

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Speaker 2: I heard of Judge Lootig many times as one of

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Speaker 2: And when I did that interview, he later told me

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Speaker 2: One of the great amazing stories he told me then

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Speaker 2: Ludig was asked by the Vice President's office, as many

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Speaker 2: I'm telling this story for you while you sit here.

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Speaker 2: I hope that's okay. Judge Ludig decided to tweet out

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Speaker 2: And when he told me about this piece recently and

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Speaker 2: what he had written, I didn't ask any questions and

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Speaker 2: I said, Judge, your your future is on sub stack.

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Speaker 2: In some way, I think you should you should use

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Speaker 2: Us News, I would be more than happy to. You know,

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Speaker 2: we never talked about any payment, but I should you know,

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Speaker 1: Tremendous, Well, Judge Ludik, with no further ado, as we've

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Speaker 1: You have written in your piece today, on this July fourth,

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Speaker 1: You write, government should secure, protect and preserve our unalienable rights, liberties,

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Speaker 1: Judge lutig It, and honor what compelled you to get

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Steve, and thank you so much. Ran.

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Speaker 3: I really consider myself little more, if anything, than a

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Speaker 1: Let's read some of them because they matter. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: keep going in the piece. And Judge Ludik, I just

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Speaker 3: Well, first steam, those are the most magnificent words ever

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Speaker 1: good idea. And I say that because I think about

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, and I think about Reagan's warning that democracy

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Speaker 1: was only ever one generation from slipping away. And when

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Speaker 1: you think about the fact that there's only ever been

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Speaker 1: seven hundred million Americans, right, there's three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: million now, So there's just slightly less than half of

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Speaker 1: all Americans who have ever been or alive in this moment,

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Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily have a connection to two hundred

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Speaker 1: year old documents that two hundred and fifty year old

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Speaker 1: doc documents that we don't talk about, that we don't covet,

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Speaker 1: that are exiled and excised from our public conversations and

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Speaker 1: our secular faith and to our great detriment. And I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, realizing that there has to be a renewal,

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Speaker 1: has to be a restoration of this faith and our liberty,

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Speaker 1: our freedom, our values, our ideas, is fundamental to being

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Speaker 1: able to make it through this period of history. And

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Speaker 1: you know, as you both know, there have been other

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Speaker 1: very trying periods of American history, right, And one of

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Speaker 1: those periods is written about in a contemplative and worrying

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Speaker 1: way and an article with the Statue of Liberty on

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Speaker 1: it from June fifth of nineteen thirty nine, and it

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Speaker 1: says America's future on it. And this was a period

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Speaker 1: where the Saint Louis was turned from American borders and

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Speaker 1: most of the Jews on it were killed in Nazi

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Speaker 1: concentration camps, a deep and ugly and abiding scar on

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Speaker 1: the soul of America. We have gone through these periods,

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Speaker 1: We have got through the storm, we have got through

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Speaker 1: these crises, and I think we're going into one again.

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Speaker 1: And so the bedrock principles or the rock right that

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Speaker 1: we have to lash ourselves to during this period of

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Speaker 1: contestation and testing. Judge, when you are pulled to a

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Speaker 1: founding document in the country that you look for the

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Speaker 1: for you, what are those speeches? How do you rank them?

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Speaker 1: Is it a Gettysburg Address? Is it a second inaugural

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Speaker 1: Thomas Paine's writings in seventeen seventy five and seventeen seventy six,

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Speaker 1: is it Frederick Douglas lamenting, What does the fourth of

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Speaker 1: July mean to a slave? When when when you consemplaced

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Speaker 1: this and your heart is heavy with what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the in the country, where where do you look in

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Speaker 1: addition to the Declaration of Independence? What is your kind

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Speaker 1: of horry hierarchy of that of that American canon that

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Speaker 1: that that's impoortant for people on this on this h

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Speaker 1: on this program today to go and read and to

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Speaker 1: explore a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that question, Steviean. With the greatest

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Speaker 3: respect to contemporary leaders of the United States of America,

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Speaker 3: I do not go to any one of those men

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Speaker 3: or women ever. I go to first the Declaration of Independence,

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Speaker 3: back into the Constitution of the United States, and then

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Speaker 3: to the people that you you have listed. Yeah, excuse

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Speaker 3: me you that you have listed the people who were

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Speaker 3: of the time of the sounding of our nation, Because

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Speaker 3: I I believe that we have we Americans have lost

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Speaker 3: sight from whence we came h And worse still, we're

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Speaker 3: not interested in where we came from. Ah, if we

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Speaker 3: just stopped for a moment and thought about how lost

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Speaker 3: we are today. I think it would be intuitive for

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Speaker 3: Americans to go back to the founding and examining and

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Speaker 3: re examining, re examine the Declaration of Independence and the

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Speaker 3: Constitution of the United States. Uh, you know, back to

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Speaker 3: the federalist papers, uh and uh uh and try to

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Speaker 3: to recapture the spirit of those our four fathers and

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Speaker 3: four mothers and and recapture the spirit that that that

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Speaker 3: that they wrote down in the Declaration of Independence and

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Speaker 3: the Constitution of the United States. I mean, first off,

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Speaker 3: it's rivoting, and it's especially rivoting today for the first

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Speaker 3: time in American history, when everything that this nation stands

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Speaker 3: for is being challenged. Uh. This none of us want

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Speaker 3: to think that this is uh that we're in America's

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Speaker 3: in its final days. But there's there's every reason today

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Speaker 3: to to of fear that were in the final days

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Speaker 3: of the America that that was established for us in

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Speaker 3: the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we need there has to be a clarion

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Speaker 3: call from someone or some ones to go forth and

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Speaker 3: huh and stop the dissension of this country before it's

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Speaker 3: too late.

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Speaker 1: When you said you revert to the Constitution, to the

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Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence and look past all of the contemporary

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Speaker 1: political leaders, which I, as a general proposition agree with

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Speaker 1: in terms of a search for understanding about who we

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Speaker 1: are as a people. But I don't think John Kennedy

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Speaker 1: counts as a contemporary, at least to me, in that

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Speaker 1: his presidency existed outside of my outside of my lifespan.

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Speaker 1: But John Kennedy, I think uniquely is a voice that

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Speaker 1: has a lot of relevance to this moment because he

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Speaker 1: was a bridge in a moment of anxiety but also

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Speaker 1: great optimism to a younger generation who was able to

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Speaker 1: communicate about virtues that would have been very understandable to

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Speaker 1: the founders. He talked often.

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Speaker 4: About Rome and Greece and Athens and the principles of

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Speaker 4: democracy in a way that did not seek to communicate

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Speaker 4: them through the repetition of a word, as if the

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Speaker 4: word itself is going to have the ability to elicit

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Speaker 4: an emotion or an attachment or a feeling. And so

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more that we badly need

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Speaker 4: to see leaders rise and step forward. There are some

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Speaker 4: of them out.

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Speaker 1: There, and I do think one of the faiths we

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Speaker 1: have as an American is this reality that almost out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, almost providentially, right leaders have emerged at the

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Speaker 1: right moments, and sometimes just in the nick of time,

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Speaker 1: in hours of great worry and great despair, and that's

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Speaker 1: where we stand now. Before the Civil War, there was

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Speaker 1: a Times of London editorial that talked about how it

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Speaker 1: is that the war had come. And within that editorial

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Speaker 1: they talked about the extremism that over the nineteenth century,

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Speaker 1: slavery had gone from an institution that was execrated even

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Speaker 1: by its practitioners to one that had been defended now

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Speaker 1: by an extremism for its preservation economically, and the writer

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Speaker 1: talked about the South becoming enamored of its shame. I

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Speaker 1: think about those words with regard to the massed federal agents,

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Speaker 1: with regard to the abuses of power, the assertions of power,

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Speaker 1: the fetishization of cruelty, the presidential tour of the alligator Alcatraz,

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Speaker 1: which is an obscenity, and the selling of T shirts

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Speaker 1: around it, and all of this, all of this vulgarity.

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Speaker 1: They've become enamored of their shame, and that shame is

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Speaker 1: antithetical to the values, the ideas, the ideals that we

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Speaker 1: call patriotism, which is oppositional to nationalism, and patriotism is

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Speaker 1: the faith that is born out of that incredibly compelling

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Speaker 1: story that Judge Ludig is referencing when he talks about

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Speaker 1: how arresting it is just to read the Declaration of

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Speaker 1: Independence in the Constitution and to put yourself in those

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Speaker 1: moments of time that when this was being written, and

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Speaker 1: to appreciate the genius. And I would just say to everybody,

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Speaker 1: do yourself a favor. Over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: If you can watch binge, watch John Adams on HBO,

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Speaker 1: I always recommend it. But find the scene in that

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Speaker 1: John Adams series where they signed the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 1: And that's the closest any of us will ever get

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Speaker 1: to be in that room, from that HBO mini series,

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Speaker 1: from the contemporaneous accounts of what it would have been like.

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Speaker 1: And it did not woop and cheer. It was a

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Speaker 1: quiet moment. Couldn't have heard a pin drop. These men

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Speaker 1: had no reason to believe this would be successful, and

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Speaker 1: they all had every expectation to believe they'd be swinging

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Speaker 1: from a rope. And there are a thousand stories about

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Speaker 1: the improbability of this country's endurance, and one of the

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Speaker 1: things that all of us never expected to see is

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Speaker 1: to be in a period of doubt and faith about

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Speaker 1: the survival of the country. Yet here we are because

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Speaker 1: we had a lack of humility. I think that we

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Speaker 1: all share about the fragility of freedom, and the lessons

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Speaker 1: of freedom and its fragility have been handed down to us.

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Speaker 1: But like children cannot hear their parents, sometimes we did

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Speaker 1: not hear the warnings. But we hear them now, and

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Speaker 1: we have a better chance, I think, to understand what

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Speaker 1: we're about because of what Judge Lutig wrote today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, Judge for spending some time with two

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Speaker 1: thousand of us this afternoon, with Ryan of course, for

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Speaker 1: publishing this at Tellos. You can find this piece at Tello's.

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Speaker 1: I am pronouncing that right, right right, Ryan. I'm a

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Speaker 1: public school kid from New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I'm a public school kid from Long Island.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I don't very very very

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Speaker 1: very very privileged.

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Speaker 2: Not like it's tell us, it's tell us tell us,

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Speaker 2: like uh like tell us the news, you know, T

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Speaker 2: like imagine it's t l l U s uh tell.

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Speaker 1: Us but lutics Judge ludics piece there.

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Speaker 4: And then and then UH.

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Speaker 1: Make.

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Speaker 2: Sure you subscribe to looting substack, because that's the only

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Speaker 2: way we're going to convince him to uh to publish

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Speaker 2: to you substack as an outlet to publish on his own.

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Speaker 2: He's already you follow notes and we're going to publish.

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Speaker 2: I want to encourage him to be a full member

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Speaker 2: of the substack community. So in addition to subscribing to

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Speaker 2: tell us News, go and subscribe to Judge Lootig's substack,

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Speaker 2: which you can find by clicking his name on the piece.

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Speaker 2: And already, without writing anything, he's got thousands of subscribers.

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Speaker 2: One other thing before I let you talk, Judge, is Steve,

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Speaker 2: you've build a great audience here. We have over two

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Speaker 2: Go get the link to that piece and send it

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Speaker 2: send it to their circle. Not just on social media,

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Speaker 2: but please please share it on social media, but send

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Speaker 2: it to your family and friends and remind them that

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Speaker 2: it's a great thing to read on this Independence day.

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Speaker 2: And I promised the judge I would get as many

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Speaker 2: eyeballs on this piece as I possibly could if he

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Speaker 2: and so I want to follow through on that promise

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Speaker 2: and make sure that as many Americans read this piece

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Speaker 2: as possible. So please share it widely. Thank you both.

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Speaker 3: I'm honored to be on with you today and it's

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Speaker 3: it's really a privilege for me to offer this, this

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Speaker 3: piece of writing to the American people.

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Speaker 1: I just want to if I, if I could do

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Speaker 1: a one hundred, and I'd like to share a story

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Speaker 1: if I if I could with all of you. Is

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Speaker 1: this is a this is a true story about the

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Speaker 1: history of the country, and it's a story that that

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Speaker 1: all of you should know. And it's a story that's

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Speaker 1: about Minnesota, where we just saw political assassination, and it

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Speaker 1: takes place in this context again with massed agents and

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Speaker 1: all of the invective. At this hour. One hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty two years ago, the Confederate Army had invaded Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: and their goal was to break the will of the

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Speaker 1: North to fight to break up the United States. And

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Speaker 1: there was a general in the field named Dan Sickles.

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Speaker 1: Dan Sickles was a brave man, but he was a

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Speaker 1: dumb man, and he had been a New York congressman

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Speaker 1: who did something one hundred and sixty some odd years

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Speaker 1: before Trump said he could do it and get away

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Speaker 1: with it. So Trump said he could shoot somebody and

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Speaker 1: broad daylight and get away with it. In New York City.

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Speaker 1: Dan Sickles, the New York City congressman, actually did that

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Speaker 1: in Lafayette Square that Trump launched the gas attack on

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Speaker 1: at the Episcopal church there, and he shot his wife's

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Speaker 1: lever in the head, and Dan Sickles got off with

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Speaker 1: the nation's first insanity defense. And so Sickles, because the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon back in those days, was political, was a general

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Speaker 1: and it remains the highest casualty action in the history

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Speaker 1: that's what Judge Ludig wrote about today. And so in

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Speaker 1: been incredible honor to spend some time with Judge Lutig.

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Speaker 1: for joining for this conversation. Thanks Steve, appreciate it, you bet.

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