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Speaker 1: Ah Beat Force. If it doesn't work, you're just not

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Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Gladia, Special Operations, military

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Speaker 1: has been quite a few years actually since we've had

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Speaker 1: doctor Dale kup Stock on the podcast. Uh, former Delta

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Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. If you listen to last episode and

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Speaker 1: touched on it last episode and you know Dallas involvement

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Speaker 1: uh Dave we interviewed previously, uh way back episodes twenty

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Speaker 1: So if you want to get to know more about Dale,

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Speaker 1: and listen to those podcasts, because we're not gonna really

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Speaker 1: rehash all that stuff in this podcast. We're gonna kind

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Speaker 1: and UM with Dale. With that, I kind of wanted

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Speaker 1: and we walk people through the story. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 1: So I said, Okay, Now, I'm actually kind of indebted

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Speaker 1: They used al Qaida as they're as they're basically as

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00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: they're watchdogs, um and their pit bulls um. And they

427
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: were everywhere everywhere. It so when we got in front

428
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: of the target building, we had a driver. His the

429
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: driver was actually a major from the m Radi Army,

430
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: an intel officer. Okay. His only job wasn't drive the vehicle, Um,

431
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: that was it. And then once the car stop, the

432
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: vehicle stop, he was to get out, run four down

433
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: the road, mount on Mr another m WRAP that was

434
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: waiting down range, and then and be secure. Well, as

435
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: soon as he gets out, he gets shot in the

436
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: damn foot. Okay, we're already taking small arms fire right

437
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: off the bat Um. Everybody else bails out of the

438
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: video from the target compo got out. I'm sorry that

439
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: you were taking fire from the target building. We were

440
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: getting fire from actually from the direction we had just

441
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: come from from behind. Okay, you know, it obviously looks

442
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: very suspicious here. We got this this UM three or

443
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollar level seven uh Toyoto land Cruiser cruise

444
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: coming down the road at about three to five mile

445
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when you're driving somebody's neighborhood, they

446
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: know that car belongs there or not. So that's why

447
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 1: we've got getting all the weird looks. Um. As soon

448
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: as we got out, they were honest, Um, for whatever reason,

449
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, they just we started taking fire. Um Isaac

450
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: was got on his side of the vehicle and started engaging.

451
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: He you know, he claims that the gunner in the

452
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: back another seal with the open fire. That's not true

453
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: at all. Um Isaac was out of the vehicle first

454
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: he started shooting. If you look at the footage, you

455
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: can see he's shooting like at the second floor, at

456
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: the wall. It's like he just sprayed in the air, right. Um.

457
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell he was shooting at.

458
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: Then their tailgate came down and that's where the other

459
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: seal came out with the Macift and started putting suppressive

460
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: fire down range. By that time, I already dismounted ran

461
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: over to the target building. Um so right then and there,

462
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: it's bullshit. Um, nothing was botched up. We started taking

463
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: we right away started taking small arm inspire um as

464
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: just as the doors started cracking. So you know, you

465
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: can argue an the way you want that it was

466
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: self defense or whatever. But um, it wasn't like we

467
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: just got out creeping along and then you know some

468
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: guy in the back of the vehicle started shooting. That's

469
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: not what happened. Um. I went to the I went

470
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: to the breach point. And this is where things getting

471
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: even getting even weirder. So I was not supposed to

472
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: go to the breach point alone. Um. I was supposed

473
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: to go go Um both Isaac and Abraham Gold were

474
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: supposed to come with me to the breach point and

475
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: and pull security because basically, my hands are full. And uh,

476
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: I run across the street. And if you look at

477
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: the footage, you see one guy running down the street

478
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: like just take all running like where the hell is

479
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: he going finself? Um, and then you see the other

480
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: guy never corduct the vehicle, which was Isaac by the way,

481
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: And uh he was stating that uh, his weapon was malfunctioning,

482
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: but he had another a K forty seventy of the

483
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: seat right next to him. All he had to do

484
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: is go down and switch it out. He was he

485
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: would have been back in the fight. Um, but he

486
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: never left. He never left the you know, the the vehicle.

487
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: He stayed right there with the vehicle while I was

488
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: out there, you know, hanging it out there by myself.

489
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: I tried to enter the building. My mention was to

490
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: go in there and eliminate the threat. Um, that was it,

491
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: you know. And I tried to go in, and I

492
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: was gonna go in and basically be as surgical as

493
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: I could and and get in. But they had locked

494
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: the doors on me. They were on the inside and

495
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: locked the doors. And that's when I started hearing gunfire

496
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: also from coming from inside. So I don't know, you know,

497
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: at this point what was going on, but they were

498
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: probably thinking, holdly cow, you know, the boogeyman's outside, and

499
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: they started a panic as well. Um. So by this time,

500
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, we had a we had a gunfight going on,

501
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: and uh, I basically placed the charge an idea in

502
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: the front of the door. Wanted to cover my with

503
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: draw too. To take the door out hopefully you know, um,

504
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: I would get hit the target. We knew the building

505
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: by the way. Um we had we had actually a

506
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: human on the target, watching the target. Okay, they reported

507
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: back to us. They they told us who went in

508
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 1: the building, how many Um. It was not some kind

509
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: of a large meeting. Um. In fact, this guy was

510
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: pretty crafty, and that every night he laid his head

511
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: somewhere else. He never slept in the same place twice.

512
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: We and a lot of time chasing him around, advising

513
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: different strategies to to contain them, and and uh and

514
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: uh and and take him out. That night he actually

515
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: went to his office and he was gonna bed down

516
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: there that night. He went there and he had his

517
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: he had another guy with him and advised his assistant

518
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: if you will, um, and he had to his bodyguard

519
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: with him. They would always post themselves out in front

520
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: of the door to the front. And I'm pretty sure

521
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: that they were standing right behind the door. Um. So

522
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: they were there. And we had the drone helicopter filming

523
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: this whole thing the entire time. Okay, those guys never

524
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: left that building ever. Okay, that's the reason we spun up.

525
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: We went down there and we and we executed, um

526
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: knowing and we can't and we got it last minute

527
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: until updates. Yeah he's still in the building. Yes, he's

528
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: still in the building. It's a go right up until

529
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: we pulled up in front of the building. Um. So

530
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: there's some you know, again, there's some inconsistencies in this

531
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: in the original story, but I think it's you know,

532
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: it's not it's worth noting that, uh, things didn't quite

533
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: play out that way. It wasn't watched and it wasn't

534
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: like we're a bunch of inept idiots out there just

535
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: kind of winging it. Um, it was calculated, it was planned. Uh,

536
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: we were being responsible enough to make sure that we

537
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: weren't gonna hurt anybody else and that we were only

538
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: going after their target. That target. The guys that were

539
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: with him were not angels. Okay, they were not just

540
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: innocent dudes hanging out with them. They were also part

541
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: of his his little entourage. They were and uh, in fact,

542
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: the next day of the news, his assistant came out

543
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: all bandaged stuff and got on the news and said

544
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: that you know, there's attempted assassination on on his principle,

545
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: and you know he got away, but blah blah blah

546
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know, so maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

547
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't know at that time what happened.

548
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: So I mean tactically the seaking dale. Um, what was

549
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: the logic behind putting the breach charge on the door?

550
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: You're saying that wasn't the intent was not to kill

551
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: everyone inside. And then there was the second explosion, allegedly

552
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: the sedan that you guys had driven in. Can you

553
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: just explain how how that worked out? What the plan

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: was there? You? So the plan was actually the breach,

555
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: the breach the building, okay, And it was a directional

556
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: charge Okay, So it wasn't really an omnidirectional charge. It

557
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: was directed a directed blast into the building. Um. This

558
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: this building, when I say that, it was really a

559
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: small office space that was probably um, maybe twelve ft

560
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: across wide and maybe thirty ft deep UM, with one

561
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: little alcove on the right side of it. Was very

562
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: small office space. Okay. Um, maybe this guy must have

563
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: been in a little in a little alcove or something

564
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: and it was protected from the blast. I don't know,

565
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: but the idea was to send that directed blast through

566
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: the door to take him out because they had locked

567
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the door. Now, initially I would have went in there

568
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: and up, you know, so I could confirm that I

569
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: got the guy. But it wasn't working out that way,

570
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: so I had to I had to fall back on

571
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the contituency of using the I D. The reason the

572
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: vehicle got blown up. UM, I was told, we're not

573
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: going to take that vehicle off the objective. Why. UM,

574
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why. Ey that what the lodging was.

575
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: My assumption is the m rents, you know, I don't know.

576
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I don't really know why. I was told, we're gonna

577
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: leave that vehicle behind. We can't take it out, but

578
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: it has to be destroyed completely. I said, fine, So

579
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: I built the I D for that vehicle as well.

580
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: So I blew it up and burned it to the ground. Um.

581
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: It also had a delayed fuse on it and gave

582
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: me time to get out of the area and UH

583
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: and get on the vehicles and roll away. So that's

584
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: why we had the two charges. One was for the

585
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: target door, the other one was for the vehicle. As

586
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: it turns out, the next day, UM, the local news

587
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: reported that there was a vehicle bomb. Um that blew

588
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: up in front of this office. And and uh, you

589
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: know they didn't have any idea what was really going on,

590
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: which was fine, that's what we wanted. We didn't want

591
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: them to know really what happened. UM. So anyway, that's

592
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of how it played out that night. Um. It

593
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: actually happened very quickly. Um we got off the objective

594
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: uh and pretty fast time. And by the time time

595
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: we did get off, but you don't see in the

596
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: footage that a lot of bad guys started converging onto

597
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: that point. And by the way, um, that place was

598
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: just crawling with Al Qaida. Um. And you know there's

599
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: talk about the Muslim Brotherhood and alil is La, you

600
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: know they're really a good guy blah blah blah. Well,

601
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: actually alils La, as part of the Muslim Brotherhood, the

602
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood had built an entire apartment complex for Al

603
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: Qaida in Aiden. Um. I've got video of their headquarters

604
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's a pretty good sized building, about four

605
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: stories high. So they were everywhere. Um. And we actually

606
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: went to the airport which we were gonna interdict. Um.

607
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: This target there there's one every day, and we got

608
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: intel that this guy might catch this flight. Um. So

609
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: we went there and a close target reconnaissance of the

610
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: airport checkpoints and we're basically looking for you know, um

611
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: an area ambush. And so when we drove it to

612
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: the to the checkpoint to get into the airport, well,

613
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: guess who's an and in the checkpoint. It's not the

614
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Immeradi army. It was al Qaida literally manning the checkpoints

615
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: going into the airport. We get into the airport, the

616
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Enmeradi Army occupied it. Okay, well was it? And I

617
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: mean it's the weirdest damn thing. You know, we've got

618
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: bad guys garden an airport with the good guys in it. Okay.

619
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: And so the emmeradies had pretty much free travel and

620
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: uh and the reason why they had they got an

621
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: ide really bad and when the gates um hit with

622
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: a hard v b I d um killed a lot

623
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: of guys and uh, and the kind of like they

624
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of like they kind of like backed off of

625
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: their operations almost completely, and it was almost like an

626
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: unwritten truce that you don't bother us, we won't bother

627
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: U type thing. And so they pretty much were able

628
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: to drive freely down the roads and um, and I've

629
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: seen this happened before as wellthen uh, conduced in Afghanistan

630
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: with the Germans. You know, the Germans were walking around

631
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: but we were in the local restaurants unarmed, and I'm like,

632
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: why not, Well, you know, they won't hurt us. And

633
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, there's like lots of bad guys here. Um.

634
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's man. I hate to say it,

635
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people, a lot of countries

636
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: out there, they're just uh you know, they're to play

637
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: Kat and the enemy just to save their ass the

638
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: game of work type any reason. Um. But anyways, Um,

639
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: so you know, we the mission went off and we

640
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: recovered and then uh you know, continued on from there

641
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: with our other projects so to speak. Um, for all

642
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, you know, wasn't mission is success. I

643
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: think I think execution wasn't success. Um. I just think

644
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: that under circumstances. Um, you know, nothing went really wrong

645
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: other than not everybody did their job the way they

646
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: were supposed to and the support. Because I I went

647
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: to the door by myself, I should know how to

648
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: go down that door by myself. I decided gonna go ahead,

649
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: and everybody myself and I just didn't get to it. Um.

650
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: We could have probably and got the target. UM, but

651
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't play out that way. UM. Other

652
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: than that, you know, we had a bunch of following

653
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: missions for some other things we got involved in. UM.

654
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: And then uh, we did another evolution. We pulled out

655
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: and it came back a couple of weeks later to

656
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. And then it's just

657
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of got a little uh, kind of got a

658
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: little slow at that point, and I had a little issue,

659
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: um particularly Uh you know this, this has been my problem.

660
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: And every guy on the team will support me on this,

661
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: you know. There I'm keeping their knees out of this

662
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: right now. But I've never read in a show of solidarity. UM.

663
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Isaac was a terrible okay, sound like you know. He was,

664
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, the hero. He was actually the zero. He

665
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: was the weakest link on the team. He was out

666
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: of stone bathing every day. He was telling the boy's

667
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: getting him his coffee, I mean betweting grown men his soldiers, Okay,

668
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: um to go to stetch his coffee. Um. The guy

669
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: was he was rat holing. Uh. We would get sometimes

670
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: we get a little box and red bull in the

671
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: morning from other cooks and uh and fruit. He would

672
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: rat hole all that crap in his in his hooch. Um,

673
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: you know I mean this. I mean this guy did

674
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: not show any leadership traits. And when I called him

675
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: out on it one more, I walked up to him,

676
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: like sunbathing him in. Abraham said, listen, guys, you're paying

677
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: me a lot of money for your strategic advisor, so

678
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some advice, okay. And they kind

679
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: of looked up at me, and I said, yeah, So

680
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: here's how I'm gonna start lead by example. And I said,

681
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: right now, you guys are not leading by example. You're

682
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: out here laying on your ass sunbathing. You know, you

683
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: got boys fetching your your your your coffee and uh.

684
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't appreciate it, and and they didn't appreciate it.

685
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: And then I told him, I said, you know what,

686
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I know, you're running the business. You know, I know

687
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: you're worried about the bottom line. I said, but when

688
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: we get the firefight out there in the field, nobody

689
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: cares about your fire your bottom line. Not one guy

690
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: here is gonna be thinking about your bottom line. Um.

691
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: And protecting it. They're gonna be thinking about getting their

692
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: ass out of this jam. And I said, if you

693
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: keep treating my ship birds here in the in the camp,

694
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: when you get out there, um, you know what, they

695
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: may not be there for you. And I said and

696
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: and that, and the Shopton part was Isaac looked up

697
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, well, I disagree. Um, the

698
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: bottom line is important and it still is a business, like,

699
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: oh man, you just don't get it, dude. We're not

700
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: making widgets here. This is not a football team or

701
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: baseball team or basketball team. Um, you know, this is

702
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: war fighting stuff. And that attitude is wrong. And so

703
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: that was kind of that was his emo the entire time. Um,

704
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: and then make a long story short it. Towards the end,

705
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: another seal of literacly have walked out the desert, just

706
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: walked away, said, for ethical reasons, no longer be a

707
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: part of this. I'm not gonna work, you know, an

708
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: environment with guys or leadership or if you want to

709
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: call it leadership. I called like a really bad management. Um,

710
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work under those conditions and risk everything

711
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: to include my life, um, for for this. I mean,

712
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: that's not what I do and that's not what I'm

713
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: gonna do. And that's when I actually built out on it. Um.

714
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: I went there with the objective taking out real bad guys,

715
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: UM doing something in the furnace of uh, you know,

716
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: the war on terror and uh. And you know, of

717
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: course I was gonna I want to get paid for it,

718
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,

719
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: what money was important? Of course it's important. Otherwise white

720
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: health would you do it. I didn't have to do anything.

721
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: I've been doing it all my life, okay, And I

722
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: decided the age of fifty three to going out there

723
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: one more time and take a swing at it, you know. Um.

724
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: But uh, it was not it was not handled properly.

725
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: And by the way, was um Golan was already gone.

726
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: He had already left the country on some other stuff

727
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: and and uh, I didn't know if he's gonna come

728
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: back or now. So we were out in the field

729
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: with with Isaac basically doing nothing but spending our wheels

730
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: and uh. And that's at that point I decided time

731
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: to get out of here. UM. So I look for

732
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: the record again. You know, we had legitimate targets. Um.

733
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: There were real targets that and not something we made up.

734
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: We vetted those targets ourselves as well. Um, we made

735
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: very we took extra care to make sure that that's

736
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: all we're going after is the target guys, real bad guys.

737
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: There were other bad guys that I was actually more

738
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: interested in getting, but the sponsor asked us first to

739
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: go after this guy. The other guy we were going

740
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: after through is the coal bomber, the guy that we're

741
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: um playing the co bombing. UM. He happened to be

742
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: in eight Okay, he's an a mom. He was running

743
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: the school and what he was doing is running ISIS

744
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: fighters through his uhum, through his school and preparing him

745
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: to go to Syria. Okay, so this guy was still

746
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: very much in the game, and that's the guy I

747
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: really wanted. I wanted that guy first. We in fact,

748
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: we all did, UM. But he was on the he

749
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: was on the target desk, and he was on target

750
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: deck and he was wound be one of the next ones. Um,

751
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: But we had to get this other guy out of

752
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: the way first. There was a whole history behind him. UM,

753
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: it's issues with him, you know, and everybody's like, oh,

754
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: he just whatever, you know, he's just the politician, you know,

755
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy. Whatever. That's bullshit. Okay, that's not

756
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: what the intel said. That's not what his action said.

757
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: That's not what all they armed doug thugs around him said.

758
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: That's not what al Kainda said. Hanging around here and

759
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: protecting his protecting his ass in his office. I wanted,

760
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to I wanted to follow up on that

761
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: one point about the targeting packets. I want to ask you,

762
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, who did up the targeting packets. There's even

763
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: in the article there's a slide showing just like we

764
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: would have seen in a rack or Afghanistan, you know,

765
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: h VT whatever. Um, I just wondered, who did that?

766
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: Who did that up? Who did the intel work, the

767
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: intel piece on this, the Emmeradies, their Emmaradi intel service. Okay,

768
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: um there M I was involved in this thing at

769
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: the highest level. Um. They were giving us the target packages.

770
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: Of course we also betted them. You know, we did

771
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: the best due diligence that we could. Um, and we

772
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we're not We're not just

773
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna go out and dunce some dude because he owes.

774
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, the boss of money or some bullshit. You know,

775
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that they were on the

776
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: up and up. So we did our we did our homework,

777
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: we did our due diligence. UM. We we took the

778
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: target packages and through our analysis decided that they're they're

779
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: good targets UM. And so that's that's really how that

780
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: played out, and that's how you know, we we we

781
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: approached it. We we went were able to get a

782
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: source UM to provide human force, and he was actually

783
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: very good UM. You know, he had eyes on he

784
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: was very good at reporting UM. And of course we

785
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: also had we also had the drones up UM that

786
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: was actually managed by the Emirati. So we actually had

787
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: kept a guy in the in the drone uh whatever

788
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: you want to call it, in the station there to

789
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: monitor you know, um, the drone footage as it was

790
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: flying and report back to us. So we had eyes

791
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: on the objective UM, both from a drone and from

792
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: human We had our own eyes on the objective UM,

793
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: you know through you know, through the uh what do

794
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: you call it the polloting room whatever they call it now,

795
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but you know, it was again I

796
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: want to emphasize this, and this was not We're not

797
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: a gang of murders. Um, we're not out killing news

798
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: of people. Um. We were very careful not to cause

799
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: the collateral damage. And uh, you know, and we're doing

800
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: the right thing. And that's the bottom line we're doing.

801
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: We were doing the right thing. You know. You can

802
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: judge us for whatever you want, but uh, you know,

803
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: we went to do what needed to be done, you know,

804
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: because look, the terrorists are not going away. I live

805
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: in Indonesia right now. I'm in Bali. This We're I

806
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: live there here. These guys are coming back here and

807
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: they're they're tearing shipped up, they're blowing people up there,

808
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: killing people. Okay, they're here. Um, these guys are not

809
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna go away. They're just gonna keep moving. Um. And

810
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: their objective is never gonna change. It's gonna be to

811
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: take take the West out. Um. I'm a soldier, just

812
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: like these other guys were professionals. Um, we're honorable men.

813
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: We're Americans, and we wanted to do the right thing

814
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: for our country. We wanted to do that. That's what

815
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: we were there for. Um. It wasn't about let's see

816
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: how many dudes we could put holes in and have

817
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: some fun. Hell no, who who does that for fun? Okay?

818
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: It's very dangerous. I mean literally it was four of

819
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: us on a street fight with a bunch of al

820
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Qaeda one night, with no no support. Um. We had.

821
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: We had some legionnaires that came with us, but they

822
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: were actually off about it, maybe a quarter miles staged

823
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: away at the QRF in their vehicles, just standing by

824
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: on call. We got in some real trouble, we would

825
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: pull them in and get us out. But that was

826
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: as good as it was gonna get. We didn't have

827
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: anything else. We didn't have air support, we have big

828
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: meal to come in to bail us out. We could

829
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: have all got smoked out there. And guess what, nobody

830
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: this will would ever know about it. You know, nobody

831
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: would have ever known about it. Um. So you know,

832
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: people call us assassins, mercenaries whatever I was. I was

833
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: a subcontractor, okay, an independent contractor for another company in

834
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: American company going out and doing what we did, you know, um,

835
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: conducting military operations. That's what That's really what it was

836
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: all about. It the other day, Dale, about how many

837
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: operations do you think you guys conducted during the two evolutions,

838
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: the two deployments that you guys were over there. We

839
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: didn't do that many. Actually most of our most of

840
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: our ops were UM reconnaissance close to our reconnaissance. UM.

841
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: You know, that was most of it. Because the truth

842
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: is the aim. It is a very dangerous place. UM.

843
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: At least it was back in there are back Literally

844
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: you could drive down any ms are at about every

845
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: three you would hit a checkpoint. That checkpoint was either

846
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: al Qaida, it was either Whothies it was Jim and

847
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: these resistance, Um it was it was you know, is

848
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: anybody's sketchy was gonna be at the next techpoint. You know,

849
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: these guys were operating on the same road side by side,

850
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, and I had I guess a little truth there,

851
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: but they were control the roads and basically we as

852
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Americans and uh the French, you know, we made sure

853
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: that we hodge it up that were hit in the

854
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: back of the vehicle so they couldn't see us. Um.

855
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: Otherwise it would have been game on. But you know,

856
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: that's the way we had to travel because it was

857
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: such a dangerous place. Every day, every night there were

858
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: firefight's explosions. UM. Probably one of the more dangerous places

859
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I've ever been in my life, and so um, we

860
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: had to be you know smart on what we did

861
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: and how we did it. But because there was so

862
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: many bad guys out there, it was very hard to

863
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: get to an objective and uh and execute without getting

864
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: compromised before you get there. Because we had to travel

865
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: the MSRs UM. We had some helicopter support for a

866
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: while there, but the truth is, the pilots weren't really

867
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: excited about landing on an objective from getting out in

868
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the firefight. Um, they were more inclined to draw us

869
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: off at a you know, off at a distance and

870
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: uh we would have to hump it in. So it

871
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: was very difficult to operate there. But we were able

872
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: to go do some ctrs UM surveillance type stuff and uh,

873
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: you know p I D targets. In fact, one guy

874
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: that we were going after was ah, he was an

875
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: ISIS bomb maker. Um we had a little what I

876
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: call a bomb factory in downtown and uh, he was

877
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: definitely a guy we wanted to get and uh, the

878
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: night before he went to get him, Um, the Enmity's

879
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: resistance actually took him out. So you know, there was

880
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of guys fighting it

881
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: out there, good guys and bad guys, you know, and

882
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: we were just having to be in the mix as well. Um.

883
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: But again I'll say that, uh, you know our objectives

884
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: and are you know our our intent was honorable and

885
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: uh you know, we had no intention of hurting innocent

886
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: people or you know, just randomly targeting people. We made

887
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: sure we did our job and did our business properly

888
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: and so um so this whole article thing, you know again,

889
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: it's like got me a little chief because you know,

890
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: when I started getting phone calls and people telling me

891
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: that they know it's me, I got you know, I

892
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: got a little living about that because now I'm reading people,

893
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, especially left wing you know nut jobs out there,

894
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, talking about you know, docks and docks and

895
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: our families. I saw one one guy stated, hey, doctor

896
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: families and blow their kids up in the school bus

897
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: on the way to school. Like what the hell? You know?

898
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: This is an American Okay, this is an American. Um

899
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, I got his name and his

900
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: facing and I know who he is now, um, you know,

901
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: which was stupid and on his part, but uh, you know,

902
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: this is a cut. There's we're living in very uh

903
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: smoll choice and in perilous times right now, you know,

904
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: with what's going on in our country. And uh so

905
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't take stuff like that lightly either. And uh

906
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: as I stayed in my in my little statement on

907
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: the internet. You know, I travel a lot. I'm travel

908
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: all over the world. I'm very well recognized. I mean

909
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: it's very really good. Well, I traveled to a country

910
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: where somebody doesn't walk up to me go, hey, you're

911
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: a very badass, right rights just cool, I mean all

912
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: the time, you know, it happens all the time. And so, um,

913
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, I am recognized. And so now I've got

914
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: to actually put extracise on the back of my head,

915
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, because of this, and I don't appreciate it.

916
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: But this is all done, you know. And so people

917
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: are asking me, well, why didn't you come out because

918
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: your name is not in the article. Didn't have to

919
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: be in the article. People that know me know my background. Um,

920
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: quite a fewer out there um have called have either

921
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: called me or called my management team. And uh they

922
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: didn't ask if it was me. They stated that it

923
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: was me. So I know, you know, I'm compromised that

924
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: regard um and so like like Isaac said, you know, um,

925
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: he felt like this thing was gonna come you know,

926
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: out of Pandora's box, and he wanted to get in

927
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: front of it. Well, now the open Pandora's box for me.

928
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: You know. Basically, that's what I'm trying to do is

929
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: stay in front of this whole thing and make sure

930
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: that this thing doesn't get skewed to the point where, um,

931
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: something that we did that was actually positive and right

932
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and honorable, um turns into something you know, to a

933
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: witch hunt. And uh and and that's why I'm saying this.

934
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: And you know, and moreover, this guy wants to capitalize

935
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: on it and make money that nobody wanted to do.

936
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: You know, we're like and we did our jobs, quiet professionals. Um,

937
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: you got paid, and the game is over. Everybody go

938
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: home and go back to your life type thing. But

939
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: this guy, uh, you know, he's got his issues. Um,

940
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: and anybody the Seal community that knows him, UM probably

941
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: can expand on it a lot more than I can. Um.

942
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's not my place really to get into

943
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: all that, but uh, um, all I know is out

944
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: in the field. Um. You know, basically, I was the

945
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: guy running the show on it at every level and

946
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: not trying to brag or anything like that, but basically,

947
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: what it speaks to is, UM, the level of incompetence UM.

948
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: And basically, and I want to say competence, I don't

949
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: mean that like in a really negative way. Let's say

950
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: the inexperience. That's probably a better way. In fact, that

951
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: was his first fire, a fight that night. That was

952
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: his first time in combat. Okay, so you know it

953
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: was telling as well. You know, so again, UM, it's

954
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: just his agenda kind of sucks. And uh and I

955
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: think that nobody, you know, the rest of the team

956
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: doesn't appreciate it. And I know they're out there right now.

957
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: In fact, one of the guys again, I'm not gonna

958
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: mention his name, although he told me I could. I'm

959
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: not gonna do that unless I really really have to.

960
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: But he's actually active duty right now, getting ready to tire. UM.

961
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: He went from the National Guard. Well at the time,

962
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: he was not in service. UM, he was National Guard. UM.

963
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: Now he went active duty. He actually spent some time

964
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: in Syria, UM, probably like six months or something like that.

965
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: And you know he Uh so the reporter went to

966
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: the military okay and started asking questions about him and uh,

967
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, and then the military started C I D investigation, UM,

968
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: which in turn has turned into all these other you know,

969
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: it's gone all the way up and chipped down chain

970
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: of command, probably all the way up to at least

971
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: state department level right now. UM. And so this is

972
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: what this has caused for just just this person alone, man. Um.

973
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: He's put his his clearance in jeopardy, his retirement and jeopardy,

974
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: and it was totally uncalled for. And uh, you know,

975
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: in my case, yeah, I'm a civilian now, you know,

976
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: I know I still follow under U C. M. J UM.

977
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think I will. UM again, you know, I

978
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: didn't do anything as far as I'm concerned. I didn't

979
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: do anything wrong or illegal, not not wittingly anyways. UM.

980
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: But you know I have now I've got to contend

981
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: with the possible consequences as well. And I'm sure that

982
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: if if people dig deep enough and hard enough, they'll

983
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: be able to, uh, you know, identify the other guys. Hey,

984
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: this whole thing out of curiosity when you mentioned people saying,

985
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, they knew that was you in the photo.

986
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Was that photo out anywhere on the internet elsewhere? Because

987
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: what I was wondering is I mean, on some level,

988
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: would it have saved you trouble to just say, hey,

989
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: that's not me and move on? Because is there a

990
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: way to prove that it's you? I mean, at this

991
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: point you're admitting that it's you, but well, you know,

992
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: you can't prove it. But I didn't have to prove it.

993
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: When people start calling and they already say it, they

994
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: know it's me. Um, you know from I mean from

995
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: the Office of Government Affairs o g Hey, all the

996
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: way to Hollywood, West coast to east coast, and they're

997
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: calling my management team phone call after phone calls like whoa. Um.

998
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: Then you know, then you know they know the descriptor

999
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know it kind of fits me. And

1000
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, I feel like, you know,

1001
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: maybe I need to get out there and get ahead

1002
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: of it rather than trying to deny it, because the

1003
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: reality is I can't deny you know, I've got you know,

1004
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: I got my passport stamp going in on the second evolution. Um,

1005
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, I can't deny that I wasn't that I

1006
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: wasn't there when in fact I was there, you know. Um.

1007
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: So anyways, it is what it is. But again, you know,

1008
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm confident that you know, I've done nothing wrong, trying

1009
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. And uh, you know, my

1010
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: my my past military record, my history, UM, you know,

1011
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: I think speaks to that I'm an honorable person as

1012
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: well as the other guys. And you know, there was

1013
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: no no weirdness going on there or anything that should

1014
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: have anybody kind of raised her eyebrows at us. You

1015
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: know they did. He did what people don't have the

1016
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: guts to do. Basically. You know, I did want to

1017
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: ask you, um, how did this whole thing wind down?

1018
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean, how did this contract come to a close?

1019
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: You went over there, you did, there's two deployments, and

1020
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: then how how did it end? What what happened? How

1021
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: come this thing isn't still active? I don't know. So,

1022
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: like I said, I left, I literally literally packed my

1023
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: bags and with another guy and we both literally just

1024
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: walked out said see you. So we made our way

1025
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: back to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi. I got maybe my

1026
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: way back to Indonesia and find back to the US. Um.

1027
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: The other guy, I don't know where, he went somewhere

1028
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: to Europe, I think maybe back down to South America. UM,

1029
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: but we just walked away and never looked back. I

1030
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: never and I never made comments back. You know, I

1031
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't follow up, and I've just done. You know, I

1032
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: went back to my life and just said, let me

1033
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: focus on on my thing. And so what I understand

1034
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: is that Isaac and Abraham had a falling out. Basically,

1035
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: Abraham fired Isaac kicked him to the curb. Um, and

1036
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: that's how that relationship ended. Why the contract disappeared was

1037
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: probably because UM, two of us walked away. They didn't

1038
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: have enough guys out in the field UM to continue mission. Uh.

1039
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: You know, we were down to just a handful of

1040
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: guys out there, you know, and Uh, I decided I

1041
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: want to know more part of it. The way it

1042
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: was being handled was not uh. When I say handle,

1043
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the operations of the missions, I'm

1044
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: just talking about the the management leadership part of it,

1045
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, the the day to day operate, the day

1046
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: to day conduct, um just sitting around doing nothing, you know.

1047
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: And then it just it just got to be too much.

1048
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: And I realized that, you know what, I don't have

1049
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: to don't have to do this anymore. UM. You know,

1050
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I did my time in the army and the hurry

1051
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: up and weight game, and I said, I'm out of here.

1052
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: I got I got more important things to do. And

1053
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy with, you know, the leadership and the

1054
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: way I was talked to or treated. Um. And even

1055
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: there there's there's some there's some stuff on the back

1056
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: side that I won't get into here, but uh, um,

1057
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: I believe that at the end of the day. Um.

1058
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I was I left, it was

1059
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: kind of nudged out, so to speak, was because the

1060
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: other person that was left behind, I felt like, maybe

1061
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take his job, which are essentially had

1062
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: taken his job, um, just by proxy, because that's why

1063
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: I was hired to be there. And uh because the

1064
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: guy couldn't the guy didn't have the leadership traits um

1065
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: nor other respect of the guys that follow him anywhere. Um,

1066
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: they wouldn't fall him to the goddamn shit or if

1067
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: you needed them to go with him and hand them

1068
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: told he is, we're gonna do it. Um. And I

1069
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: was just tired of it. So, you know, if it

1070
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: comes a point in life where you just gotta you know,

1071
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: you just gotta kind of look at your principles and go, Okay,

1072
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, is this is this really? Is this really

1073
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: what it's all about? Is this is what it's worth,

1074
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: you know to do this kind of garbage or can

1075
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I move on to something of my own again and

1076
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: just kind of put this behind me? Um? So it

1077
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: was you know, for the most part, I would say

1078
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: operationally it was a success. Um, you know, even if

1079
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: we didn't even if we didn't take out the target,

1080
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, execution, you know, all aspects of that were

1081
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: successful and we're done properly. But you know what, you

1082
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: don't get them every time, you know, even in the military.

1083
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, goddamn, how many times you go on operation

1084
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: you know and it's a dry hole. You know, you

1085
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: get Intel said, h VT S there to show up

1086
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, he had been here two weeks.

1087
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: You know. So um, you know, that's just how it

1088
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: That's just how it works, man. You know, that's just

1089
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: how work fighting is. And then this whole thing about

1090
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: blah blah blah not surgical, I d you know, come on, really,

1091
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I was when I was in Iraq

1092
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: or Afghanistan, I wrote a on up for the people

1093
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I was working for, shout out the chain of command,

1094
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: and what I wanted to do. I said, look, you know,

1095
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: you look at military and particularly Afghanistan. What did they do?

1096
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: They rolled out of the front gate of the fall,

1097
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: They roll down the road, their vehicles, they get ambush, right,

1098
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: They're always rolling the ambush, and then they're trying to

1099
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: fight up the trucks and then take casually. You've gotta

1100
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: go back and patch everybody up. Um. You know, and

1101
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: my my attitude has always been, you know you and

1102
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: if you want to beat this insurgency, you gotta think

1103
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: like insurgents. You gotta fight like insurgents. You gotta fight

1104
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: you w uncommercial warfare. You gotta turn into the gorillas. Um.

1105
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: This is what special forces are supposed to do with

1106
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: special operations. UM. And so my idea was, you know,

1107
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: let's let's turn the table on these guys and do

1108
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: them what they're doing us. Why don't we build some

1109
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: v v I d s and park them out in

1110
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: front of the Pakistan, the front of the compounds of

1111
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: the of the bad guys particularly that are highing out

1112
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: in Pakistan. UM. I said, why don't we do that?

1113
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: And I actually had a concept to UM. Basically, I

1114
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: called my monster garage. I was gonna build some trucks,

1115
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: pack them with explosives, you know, conceal everything, preposition and

1116
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, and certain areas of safe houses, and then

1117
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: roll them out, driving some in front of some bad

1118
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: guy's house. And then when he comes out to check

1119
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: his mail, vaporizer And I said, this whole I sent

1120
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: this whole con up up right, it comes back, and

1121
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: it comes back and bread egg. We're on the business

1122
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: of making vv I D s. And I'm like, you know,

1123
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: you're freaking idiot, right, So I wrote back, I go,

1124
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did I say v v I D. I

1125
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: mean wheeled explosive delivery system That sounds an it's better monkeys, right.

1126
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: This is the kind of crap with dealing with. You know,

1127
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: my conups were getting approved by some chicken an office

1128
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: in Cobble, my con ups in the field, and then

1129
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: it would take three or four or five days for

1130
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: her to come back, going, I don't know, you know, like,

1131
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: what do you not know? You know, you're sitting kind

1132
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: of desk. Of course you don't know. But this is

1133
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. The this whole political and bureaucratic process,

1134
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, bullshit, and people wonder why you know, um,

1135
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: And then everybody questions, you know, like even this article

1136
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: was questioning, um, you know, the legitimacy of using you

1137
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: know mercenaria know, um, you know private paramilitary companies to

1138
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: go do this stuff. You know what happened to the

1139
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, the military doing these kind of things. Well,

1140
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: you know what, America, you put somebody goddamn restrictions on

1141
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: the on our military. You know, the rules of engagement.

1142
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: All they can do is getting their trucks and drives

1143
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: on ambush, you know, I mean we we hamstring our

1144
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: own military. You know, the whole rules of engagement thing

1145
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: has gotten ridiculous. I mean another classic example is, you know,

1146
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: you can't interrogate people. Um, you know, not gotten on

1147
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: the roll by the way, got down, but you know

1148
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: it's it's like the rules of engagement. You know, you

1149
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: can't can interrogate anybody anymore man, you know. And this

1150
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: was old McCain came up with this stupid, stupid garbage, right,

1151
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: And so what ended up happening was the bad guys, Um,

1152
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: they got smart, they go they can't interrogate me, right,

1153
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: So when we would go to roll them up, if

1154
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: we didn't kill them. Um, the first question they would

1155
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: ask is are you arresting me as a criminal or

1156
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: as a terrorist? And never hoping you said terrorists, right,

1157
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: because if that if you were just resting as terrorists,

1158
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean they got to spend three days and your

1159
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: fob eating good food, Warren blankie, you know, and they

1160
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: didn't have to say a word and not gonna beat up.

1161
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: Nothing's bad. It's gonna happen to him. Then we're gonna

1162
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: send them with all their gear back home, right, That's

1163
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: how we're But if you arrest them as a criminal,

1164
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: I means you're gonna hand them over to the to

1165
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: the Afghan police. That was gonna be a bad night

1166
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: for them and they probably wouldn't see the daylight again

1167
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. Right, they feared that kind of

1168
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: crap and uh and then do the game. They knew

1169
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna interrogate him, Um, you know, I mean

1170
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: interviewing with like it was just ridiculous. It's like, you know,

1171
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: it's like a job interview. I mean, you know they're

1172
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you the truth. It was. It was

1173
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: counterproductive And the problem was with that is a lot

1174
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: of times there was critical information intelligence that we needed

1175
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: like right now, that we couldn't get because we couldn't

1176
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: interrogate him. I can tell you going back, you know

1177
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: a ways when we were in Iraq and uh and

1178
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: we you know, if you want to call it an interrogation, Look,

1179
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: I've been through worse than interrogations in Serio school than

1180
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: what was going on over there. Basically, these guys were

1181
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: crumble if you just kind of ald at him. Um,

1182
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's tissing their pants because they

1183
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna question and you don't have to

1184
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: do anything, but you know, fletch and they and they

1185
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: tell you the whole life story. But uh, you know,

1186
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: we used to get information, useful information. We used to

1187
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: locate I D. S on the side of the road

1188
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: because of that, and we saved as far as I'm concerned,

1189
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: we save American and Coalition lives. Um, they took that,

1190
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: they took that ability away from us. That was and

1191
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: that was McCaine who took it away from us. Okay,

1192
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: Um he was the big mouth, a big advocate for that.

1193
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: And I have no respect for the guy, but said,

1194
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: oh he's a war here about bullogning man Um. He

1195
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned he's probably responsible for a

1196
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: lot of dead Americans right now because of his his uh,

1197
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: the policy that he uh that he basically enforced. UM.

1198
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: So you know, at the end of the day, you

1199
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: know when when people go, well, what you know, mercenary, mercenary, mercenary,

1200
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: like it's some kind of a bad thing, you know.

1201
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: All we are, yeah, worst professional soldiers. Um. We decided

1202
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: to help a coalition army friends of ours, all, right,

1203
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: to do the same thing that we did while we

1204
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: were in the military, and that is fight terrorists, fight

1205
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: the war on terrorists, man, um, you know, and that's it.

1206
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, do you see this, uh private as a

1207
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: private military contractor I mean do you see this as i, um,

1208
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: let's say, a viable strategy to fight terrorism worldwide? Because

1209
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of at the heart of this article.

1210
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: And what the what the author of the article is questioning, UM,

1211
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: And I think you've given your take on a lot

1212
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: of it, UM, But how do you see that? Is

1213
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: this like um, Eric Prince for instance, is proposing that

1214
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: we kind of do this expand this model all across Afghanistan.

1215
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: What what do you make of that? What do you

1216
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: think of that? If somebody who kind of worked where

1217
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: the rubber meets the asphalt, yeah, you know, and so okay,

1218
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: I can see where this can get out of hand,

1219
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: where you can get you know, groups out there that

1220
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: just go rogue, right and you start, you know, their

1221
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Colonel Kurt's up the river just hammering everybody, you know,

1222
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: and they just lose, you know, all sense of responsibility,

1223
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, and just do what the hell they want.

1224
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: I can see the problem, you know how that could

1225
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: be a problematic. Uh. I think if it can be

1226
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: controlled and you know, and you can actually have organizations

1227
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: that are UM operating under the same kind of rules

1228
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: and disciplines that the military will be expected, don I

1229
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: think it's viable in fact as a as a as

1230
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: a now as a civilian UM, I would gladly do that,

1231
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, fill that role, and with the understanding that

1232
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, if I get killed, I get killed, there's

1233
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: no there's not gonna be an s gl l I

1234
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: life insurance money for me. UM. If I get shot

1235
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: and blown up out there. You know, I'm not gonna

1236
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: have big Milk come and pull me out. I'm not

1237
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna have you know, all those other stuff, or maybe

1238
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: I will but I'm I'm willing to go out there

1239
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: just as an independent contract or mercenary if that's what

1240
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: you want to call call me. I don't care, um,

1241
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: and go out there and do what needs to be

1242
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: done and take that risk. That's why I get paid

1243
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: the big bucks. Um, I'm I'm the guy that's willing

1244
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: to go do that. And you know, truth is, America

1245
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: needs guys like me. They need guys like they were

1246
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: willing to do this kind of stuff. You know, other

1247
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: countries needed, and of course they needed. That's why they

1248
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: called us because they didn't have that within, they didn't

1249
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: have that capability within. That's why they asked us to

1250
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: come and uh and do this for them. We brought

1251
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: a capability that didn't have, you know, and the way

1252
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: I looked at it, we all looked at it, was like, hey,

1253
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: you know what, we're helping a fellow nation, um take

1254
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: care of bad guys, just the same bad guys that

1255
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: Americans are interested in. In fact, so much so because

1256
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: while I was there, I still remember when I saw

1257
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: Eric prince Land in our compound that was after the

1258
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: big firefight, Um that he was in his company was

1259
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: in with a sais on the board. I think the

1260
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: lost twelve guys in Colymbian's one night. Um. And he

1261
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: showed up the next day on the helicopter. Now, I

1262
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he knew he were there, and I

1263
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: would be basically hit behind the sandbags. Um. And then

1264
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: and then I watched Jay saw come in or some

1265
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: element from the military come in, and uh, you know,

1266
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: And so the writing was on the wall the U. S.

1267
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: Mill was gonna come in there. They're coming in. They're

1268
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: they're already here. Um, you know, so I know there

1269
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: were some things that were going on. I couldn't say

1270
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna do or when they're gonna come

1271
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: in it. Uh you know, now they're you know, there's

1272
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of activity over there still. Um, you know,

1273
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: it's a hornets nest. I mean you've got everybody fighting everybody. Um,

1274
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: you've got the Iranian back Hoothie's. Um, you've got you know,

1275
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: the Saudis over there. Um, you've got the Hoothiees. Uh.

1276
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: Human these resistance you've got iis, you've got a cap Um,

1277
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: you got the Moslim brotherhood. You know, Um, you've got

1278
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of You've got a lot of bad cats

1279
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: over there, you know, and and if we don't deal

1280
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: with it, it's just gonna pay another you know, if

1281
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't get fixed, eventually it's gonna become another Afghanistan

1282
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: where it becomes a training platform for you know, the

1283
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: future global terrorists. They might emerge from that um. So,

1284
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, to answer your question again, you know, I

1285
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's viable at a small scale,

1286
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: but it's gonna have to be closely monitored and management

1287
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: because I can see guys, you know, we we see

1288
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: in the military, guys are always you know or not

1289
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: the military, but now you know, looking for these p

1290
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: mc s that go overseas. They will work for whatever company,

1291
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: and they totally lie about their their resume, right and

1292
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: their d D two four teams all bullshit. I mean,

1293
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: guys go over there literally never been the military, and

1294
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: they're running security details and have everybody believing they're a

1295
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: sealed seals. Thing seems gonna be the famist thing to

1296
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: do is tell everybody your seal. Right, I think I've met, like,

1297
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, twenty thousand seals already. I don't. I only

1298
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: thought there was like seven something like that. But I'm

1299
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: pretty sure I met these twenty dollars. I'm already everybody's

1300
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: a seal, you know, and and of course every seals

1301
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: of you know, Deaf group guy, you know, and whatever.

1302
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: But uh so, you know, unfortunately you know it's that way.

1303
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I think in certain circumstances, if it's

1304
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: if it's properly managed, you know, maybe under the auspices

1305
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: of uh the direction of the government. Um like in

1306
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: this case for example, you know, um Spear Operations Group

1307
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: was working under the auspices or the control of the

1308
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: Maradi government and actually there were other governments involved to um.

1309
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: He kind of alluded to that a little bit. And

1310
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: are over there a aren't they? I'm sorry, the Australians

1311
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: are over there quite a bit, aren't they. You know what,

1312
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: while we were there, I don't think there was anybody.

1313
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: Uh h, we're losing you a little bit. I think

1314
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, as Dale said before, he's over an endow. Yeah. Yeah,

1315
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: the connection can get a bit screwed up. I think

1316
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: we got you back, spread and Jesus Americans, I don't

1317
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: if if we disconnect with Dale, I'll try to reconnect

1318
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: for a second. Let's see if we get him back

1319
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: can you hear me now, yes? Can you hear me now? Yes? Yes? Alright, alright, back.

1320
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: I was just talking about Australians working with the m

1321
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: Ratis and you were saying, no, there's something something else.

1322
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that. It doesn't mean they're not there.

1323
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: I just didn't see him. Um, definitely didn't see him

1324
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: in country. Um. You know, but that was a scenario

1325
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: where the Immaradi government was kind of you know, the

1326
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: reporter used the word masters. You know, I kind of

1327
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: find that a little uh stupid to say that. You know,

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01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: they're not They weren't our masters, Okay, Um, they were

1329
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: our clients. They were a sponsor so to speak. But

1330
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, there was there was a chain of management there,

1331
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: a chain of command you know, um right on down

1332
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: to the company. Um Spirit Operations group was awarded. Um

1333
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: guys were I mean given rank, um uniforms and uh

1334
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: so I feel like there was there was some control

1335
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: there still because we did have someone to answer to. Um.

1336
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we just answered to God, you know,

1337
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: for ourselves. We actually had to answer to the Minister

1338
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: of Defense um, you know, and too the h Emarati

1339
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: government and uh, right on up the food chain. So

1340
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: um so in that regard, you know, we look, why

1341
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: would we go wild and just start smoking everybody? For

1342
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: a This was a major contract, major, major, major contract,

1343
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of all it. So why would we

1344
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: jeopardize that by going out and just laying waste to everybody? Okay?

1345
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: Even the Muratis would have been like, hey, dude, we

1346
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't hire you be murderers. Okay, and they were to

1347
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: pull that contract in a second. That's not how it works, Okay.

1348
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: There was an incentive for us, you know, a monetary

1349
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: incentive to keep it safe, okay and do the right thing.

1350
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, there's a political reason for that

1351
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: as well. And uh, and as far as I'm concerned

1352
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: and the other guys, there was a moral reason to

1353
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: do it, to do it properly as well. Um, we

1354
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: are not We're not murders, Okay, by far, we're not murders.

1355
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: We're soldiers, were professionals, and we did a professional job

1356
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. The one thing I wanted

1357
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: to follow up with you on and and I mean,

1358
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: maybe you know nothing about this stale, but it's in

1359
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: the article about this former seal named Corbett, who apparently

1360
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: went to Serbia with goal On and got hemmed up

1361
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: over there and is still in prison. I just wondered

1362
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: if you knew anything more about that. Um. I wasn't there,

1363
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: so I don't know what happened there or the circumstances

1364
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: behind it. But I do know I do know Dan

1365
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: um and uh he is quite a character, and uh

1366
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: he's the guy you want on your left or right

1367
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: side if you getting a firefight, that's for sure. But

1368
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: I was not there when all that happened to him.

1369
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, I walked out of the desert and

1370
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: I never looked back. Um, those guys continue whatever they

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: were doing. I guess they. I don't know Dan end

1372
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: up in survey. I'm certaty sure he didn't go over

1373
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: there on vacations, so um, you know he got there somehow,

1374
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't I really don't know

1375
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: the details because I've never I've never really followed up

1376
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: with those guys. And uh, you know, I've had a

1377
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: very limited communication with Abraham. He's doing his own thing

1378
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: wherever he's doing it. And uh, you know, the way

1379
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: I look at the past of the past, you know,

1380
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: I got you know, I got my own business, my

1381
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: own life to worry about now, So that's what I

1382
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: do worry about that. Well, Dale, we really appreciate you

1383
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: coming on the show today, and you know, I mean

1384
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: really putting yourself out there in some ways, man to

1385
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: tell this story, to tell your side of it, um,

1386
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: to get the other, the other side of the story out. Um,

1387
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: do you want to tell us a little bit about,

1388
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, what you're doing in Indonesia, about the security

1389
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: company that you're running now and some of your current activities. Yeah,

1390
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, so I came so back in time a

1391
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: little bit about six years ago. I went to Hong Kong. Um.

1392
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: I was over there actually working for the same guy,

1393
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: Um Abraham and his company, UM running a security detail

1394
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: for a very very wealthy investment banker and then Um anyways,

1395
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: I ended up going from there coming to Indonesia, and Uh,

1396
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: I came here to visit my girlfriend basically, and then

1397
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: after hanging around for a while, I saw I think

1398
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: there was some opportunities for security here. There were no

1399
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: other American companies here other than one pulled some security

1400
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: out of like a gold mine, but not definitely not

1401
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: in my space. So anyways, I decided to uh really

1402
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: long story short, um start a company here and uh

1403
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: I got involved in Canaine. So I'm in Bali right

1404
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: now and I provide explosive detect dog uh interdiction dogs

1405
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: for the resort hotels here. Um I've already I'm already

1406
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: expanding the business throughout Southeast Asia. Um. This is what

1407
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: I do. Man. I go out and I play with

1408
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 1: dogs all day and they go find bombs and stuff

1409
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: and and uh, I mean living in Bali, living the dream.

1410
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: So um, it doesn't get any better than that. You know,

1411
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: I've heard the scuba diving game, and I can tell

1412
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: you that I've heard the scuba diving out there is badass,

1413
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: just like the best in the world. Yeah, you know,

1414
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: it's beautiful here. I mean it's really clean. Water is clean.

1415
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things you can do here, you know,

1416
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: whatever you're into, fishing, scuba diving and whatever. Man, it's

1417
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: it's all here. There's so much to do on this

1418
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: little island. And uh, it really is a little piece

1419
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: of heaven. You know. I've been Uh, I keep telling you,

1420
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: I've been in over seventies seven countries in my life,

1421
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: either work there, travel there, lived there, and by far,

1422
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: Bally is my favorite place, Bally in Hong Kong. But

1423
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: for sure, if I had to live between the two,

1424
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: I would live in Bali and which I'm doing obviously.

1425
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm doing here. So I'm running here

1426
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: any company. Uh, I'm still involved in some other things.

1427
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: I'm writing another book. Um, you know, I'm still involved

1428
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: in the movies and and uh. You know, I got

1429
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: my hand in a lot of other projects and I

1430
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: don't want to give up too much stuff. But there's

1431
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm still busy and I'm one of the things I

1432
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: really enjoyed doing that I do now I've been doing

1433
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: it for about a year on my own time, is

1434
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: um optimal performance coaching. So I have a lot of

1435
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: clients that come to me and they want to know,

1436
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, how to be a badass and uh, and

1437
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: so I have to correct him. It's not about being

1438
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: a badass, it's about being a good ass and uh.

1439
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: But what I do is I mentoring coach people on

1440
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: peak performance you know. Um, you know, I give him

1441
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: my perspective on life and and how I arrived at

1442
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: where I am today and was able to, you know,

1443
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: achieve as many things that I have done. Um, and

1444
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: I kind of give them, you know, my secret sauce,

1445
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: so to speak, the formula for success. So looks pretty good.

1446
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: I actually have a guy right now that uh an

1447
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: international speaker. He's also a coach. Um. He is ranked

1448
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: as in the one top one percent of incomers in

1449
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: the world. And uh he's actually one of my clients.

1450
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: He comes to me for coaching, which is really cool. UM,

1451
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: so you know it's doing okay, I do it on

1452
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: my own time. UM. It gives me. I feel the

1453
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: gap in my you know, my free time, which I

1454
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: don't have any I sleep about four hours a night.

1455
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: But I enjoy doing that, and I enjoy helping other people,

1456
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to help them improve their lives.

1457
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: So um, that's kind of where I'm at and what

1458
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing now. I still have a place in Tama

1459
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: City Beach, Florida. Mine actually didn't get wiped out my

1460
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: home by the hurricane. Um, it's actually still standing and uh,

1461
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna go back. But I actually have a

1462
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: friend him and his family. They lost their home and

1463
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: so I basically let him move into my apartment. So

1464
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: they're staying at my apartment until they get on their

1465
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: feet and then once they're gone, I'll come back. But

1466
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: I do travel back and forth between Florida and in

1467
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: Bali about every three or four weeks, UM to see

1468
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: my little girl, my baby girl back in Florida and

1469
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: then come back here and you know, my girl here

1470
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: and baby girls here and dogs here. So I got

1471
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: two lives on two sides of the world. So I

1472
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: love that. I love that video that's on YouTube of

1473
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: you from like the early nineties with Jim West training,

1474
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, fighting, doing those demonstrations in that bar, and

1475
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: it's so funny. You look at the comments there, they're like,

1476
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: is that del Comstock And it is hard to believe

1477
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: it's you, Like you look like a totally different person.

1478
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: At that point. I was a little gangly nerves. I

1479
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: was about a pounds UM and Uh, I was there

1480
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: with Jim. We still remember the bar, everything, the whole

1481
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: scene and everything, and then a remote butler, General Butler,

1482
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: he was also UM and a girl named Judy Mayran.

1483
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: She at the time she was a captain in the

1484
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: Air Force. So it was the four of us and

1485
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: we went there and UH and we made that we

1486
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: made that series UM, which was kind of cool. As

1487
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, you know, and I still work

1488
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: for that company, by the way. In fact, I produced

1489
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: quite a few training DVDs through them fight Fast dot

1490
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: Com Jim does a lot through them still, I'm sorry, Jim,

1491
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: Jim still does a lot through them. Yeah. I've actually

1492
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: made quite a few products through them, and uh in fact,

1493
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: I've just made another series of DVDs on training canines

1494
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: from Supernuts. Um. So that should probably be coming out

1495
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: about the next four weeks, four to six weeks. It

1496
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: took me almost a year to make it all, um,

1497
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: but that's coming out. I've got my bulletproof backpack. Um.

1498
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: It's been selling really well for about the love ye

1499
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: and I'm coming with a coming up with a new

1500
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: version at a new improver. Uh. So I've got you know,

1501
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: I've got quite a few potidential These are the types

1502
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: of things I'm still working on now. And I do

1503
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: that because I want to like making things, and uh,

1504
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: I like teaching and moreover, you know, it's a residual income,

1505
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: you know. So, um, I have money coming in and

1506
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't have to do any more work. I should

1507
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: do all the work up front, which you know, it's

1508
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: not a bad way to live. It allows me to

1509
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: stay here in Bally. Anyways, I dig it, man, And

1510
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: if you guys want to follow Dale on Twitter, it's

1511
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: at del com Stock Instagram at official American Badass. The

1512
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: first book you pet up put out was American Badass

1513
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: The Tree Story of a modern day Spartan. That's actually

1514
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: how I met Dale when he was out promoting that.

1515
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: It's serious. Um, the previous episodes you were on, as

1516
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: Jack said, if you want to go back and visit

1517
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: Dale's history episodes twenty two and twenty four, which is

1518
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: before I was even here, it's like five years ago.

1519
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: It's been a while. It's hard to believe. Dale. We're

1520
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 1: now almost an episode four hundred, So twenty two and

1521
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: twenty four that's a while back. And like we got

1522
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: to have you back on for something just like positive

1523
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 1: going on in your life. Yeah, it's great to have

1524
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: you on for this type of thing. But like, don't

1525
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: be a stranger. We love having you on, man. Yeah,

1526
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: well thanks for having me on your man. Give me

1527
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: an opportunity to kind of give my uh my start

1528
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: of a story, because what's really important to me Again,

1529
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: I want to emphasize it's you know, I don't want

1530
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: people out here thinking that, uh, you know, we're a

1531
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: bunch of cowboys, that we didn't know what we're doing. Um,

1532
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: that we're out wrecking people's lives. You know, that we're reckless.

1533
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: That's not what we did. Um. We were all constant professionals, um,

1534
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, and when we did the right and responsible thing,

1535
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: and we made sure that you know, we were going

1536
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: after legitimate targets and that was it. So um, you know,

1537
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: people go all about the money. I can tell you what.

1538
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: It's not about the money, because you know I can

1539
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: make money doing a lot of other things. Um. Hell,

1540
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: then I just say I have a security coming in Asia,

1541
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not all about the money. The

1542
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: money just pays for my time. But really it was

1543
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: the mission. The mission is to win the war on terrorism. Man,

1544
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: that's it. And let's say people's lives. Everybody all comes

1545
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: down to for me. And and I can tell you

1546
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: that's what the other guys were thinking. They feel the

1547
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: same way I do. And by the way, these guys, um,

1548
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if their names will ever come out,

1549
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: although they've given me permission to speak, um, you know

1550
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: on their behalf and mension their names. Um, you know,

1551
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: they're all consummate professionals. I mean, they're the kind of

1552
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,879
Speaker 1: guys that you would expect, you know, in the military

1553
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: when you know a special operations team, you know, everybody

1554
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: it pulls their weight to take care of each other.

1555
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 1: They'll take a bullet for each other. Um, there's no

1556
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: shenanigans except for that one guy that we who have

1557
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: already talked about. Um. You know, there's a true brotherhood

1558
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: there and to this day there's still that bond between us. Um.

1559
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: And so you know, we have one person that really

1560
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: disrespected that and uh and you know, and that's why

1561
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm here today because you know, I don't appreciate it,

1562
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: and I don't appreciate, uh, you know, the drama that

1563
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: some of us are going to have to go through.

1564
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: And I feel for the other guy in the military.

1565
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: UM and who's who knows what's still you know, what's

1566
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: still gonna come. But uh, Um, I'm confident that we

1567
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. UM. So you know that's how

1568
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: I feel about it. And then if people want to

1569
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: judge as well, you know, go up, go for it.

1570
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't when you pay my bills, then

1571
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be concerned about it. Dale, thanks so much

1572
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: for joining us today. There's been fascinating to say the least. Yeah,

1573
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: it would be more coming out. You know, I get

1574
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: to be the reader's digest so um. You know, there's

1575
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: a lot of good things happened to you know, so

1576
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't always you know, it wasn't just a negative thing. Um,

1577
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: there's some really good positive that came out of it.

1578
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm sure that, uh, that story will come

1579
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: out eventually as well, you know, in more details, so

1580
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: we'll see. Appreciate it, man, Like I said, our door

1581
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: is always open, so you hit us up anytime. All right,

1582
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: thanks again for having me out here. I appreciate it.

1583
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: Thanks Dale, all right, take care of bye bye, right

1584
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: and that on that end, um Man, great, great interview.

1585
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: There's a story you don't hear every day. Oh absolutely,

1586
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: And the fact that he gave us that exclusive is excellent.

1587
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: And you know it's important to get at least what

1588
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: he would say is the true story out there. And

1589
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure that there's gonna be other guys

1590
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: will come out and maybe dispute some of this stuff,

1591
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: but this is this is Dales perspective. Yeah, yeah, it's

1592
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: Dales perspective. It's uh from his point of view, and

1593
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean I don't say this to undermine anything Dale said.

1594
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: It's just that, Um, there are things that probably the

1595
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: ground pounders, the shooters like Dale, probably weren't told. Um,

1596
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: there were probably and just in a firefight, different people

1597
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: see different things from different perspectives. So it will be

1598
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: interesting to see. As Dale said, you know, more stuff

1599
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: will probably come out about this and it would be

1600
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: interesting to see how all that pans out. Um. I

1601
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: think Dale is pretty candid though about his role in

1602
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: it and what he experienced. UM. I said, Man, that's

1603
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: a story you don't hear every day. I mean, that's

1604
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: wild wild ship over there. Yeah. I want to recap

1605
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but as always, I do want

1606
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: to let you know we have going on here at

1607
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Speaker 1: Hurricane Media. Uh. First of all, I want to mention

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Speaker 1: the Create Club, the long anticipated collaboration watch we did

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Speaker 1: with NFW Watches that's in the next premium crate. Everything

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Speaker 1: is being shipped out right now as we speak. Um.

1611
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Speaker 1: We have different tiers of membership depending on how prepared

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Speaker 1: you want to be. Gift options are available, and Whitner

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Speaker 1: and the guys are just working on some great stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a club for men by men. Currently we have

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Speaker 1: sunglass cases coming out, E d C bags and all

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Speaker 1: custom products on the horizon, so that's great Club dot

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Speaker 1: us if you want to join. Interestingly, enough is Dale

1618
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: mentioned dog training. We do have a partnership with Kuna

1619
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: UH and with Kuna they have a team of trained

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Speaker 1: type of dog you have. Kuna is gonna hook you

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Speaker 1: up so it's efficient for you. Your dog's gonna appreciate

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Speaker 1: it as well. And that's spelled c U N A

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Speaker 1: DOT d O G. Also the spec Ops channel UH

1627
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Speaker 1: if you want to watch all those inside the team rooms,

1628
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Speaker 1: all the old inside the team rooms, we've done Navy Seals,

1629
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Speaker 1: Army Rangers green with rays cut from the same cloth,

1630
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Speaker 1: the new Intelligence one. It's all on there as well

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Speaker 1: as our premier show Training sell UM where you'll see

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Speaker 1: guys training in all different conditions, different operators from different

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Speaker 1: That's at spec ops channel dot com. Spec ops channel

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Speaker 1: dot com. The SOFTWAREP Radio app is now up if

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Speaker 1: you have an iPhone, so check that out. UM. I

1638
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: think I know you're an Android guy. I think the

1639
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: Android version should be up in the next coming days.

1640
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: Softwarep radio dot com is up. We're doing these um

1641
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: recordings on video that some of you were watching. Those

1642
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: are up on YouTube on the soft rep YouTube channel. UM.

1643
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: But like I said, it was it was interesting to

1644
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: have Dal on for the first time in ages. I mean,

1645
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: we did have him on really briefly um at an

1646
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: inside the team room years ago, but it's just been

1647
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: way too long. And you know, you don't want someone

1648
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: on in these circumstances where they're under high pressure. Yeah.

1649
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: I do think it's a high pressure situation. I mean

1650
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: there's a reason why in my opinion, you know, Dale

1651
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: kept repeating I don't think we did anything wrong because

1652
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: I do think he's feeling stressed. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

1653
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: I saw an article it wasn't this morning or was

1654
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 1: it last night, um, and it was written by a

1655
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, one of these national defense lawyers, and he's

1656
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: saying d O J needs to prosecute all of these

1657
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: guys like, holy sh it, you know, and there's there,

1658
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, the term war crimes is thrown around and um,

1659
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: I cannot you know, speak to you know whether or

1660
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: not what happened there was illegal. But I'll tell you

1661
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: this much. I mean, you get into some gray areas

1662
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: very quickly. And um, I've had conversations with a lawyer

1663
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: who specializes in dealing with the eye trs and private

1664
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: military companies overseas, and I was asking them questions. I

1665
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: was like, so, you know, if someone's to go overseas

1666
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know, provide training to this or that,

1667
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: you know organization or a militia in Syria? Is that

1668
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: is that illegal? And the answer, this is the best

1669
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: answer he could possibly give, was is long as it

1670
01:22:54,920 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: doesn't violate any norms, you should be okay. Now, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: should be okay. But also what the funk is a norm? Um?

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Speaker 1: And I understand what norms are? We talk about that?

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,839
Speaker 1: You know in college, you know, when you study political science,

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01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: you know about political norms and social norms and so forthwar,

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,520
Speaker 1: But if you get prosecuted, if someone decides to prosecute

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01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: you're being charged in a court of law, not a

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01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: court of norms. And you look at the judge and say, well,

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01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: I didn't violate any norms. He's gonna be fucking care

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: that say, we're not talking about norms, are talking about

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01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: the law. So there are a lot of gray areas,

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01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: and um, honestly, it's it's also incumbent on our government

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01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: to be clear about where the lines are and what's

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01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: right and what's wrong and what gets prosecuted what doesn't.

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: And as long as you have a guy like Eric

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01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: Prince who's running around the world, um, it seems like

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01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: he does basically whatever the funk he wants and he

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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been prosecuted, DJ hasn't brought any charges against him.

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01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 1: So I mean, if what they're doing is they're sending

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: the messages, okay, that's the new norm. That's what's norm now,

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01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 1: is that you can go and do that. So of course,

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01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: you know when this guy Abraham go On and Dale

1692
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: Comstock are like, well why can't we do this? You

1693
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: know everyone else is doing it right, so that then

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01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: it becomes a norm. So and now you have to

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: distinguish between a norm versus the law, and if the law,

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01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: if you have a law, but it isn't being enforced,

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01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: then what use is it and what does it really mean?

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: So these are all these gray areas that exist, and um,

1699
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: it's anything but clear. I'm assuming every guy who is

1700
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: on this operation must be just furious with this seal

1701
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: right now, because this would have gone completely unreported, would

1702
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: have gone completely under the radar if not for this guy. Probably.

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, we're we're just and I think

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01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: we commented on this last time that it's just harder

1705
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: and harder to hide these types of things when we

1706
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: live in a such a technological world where everyone has

1707
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: a camera phone in their pocket that's connected to a

1708
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: digital network. Um, I mean, maybe it would have come out,

1709
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't have, but you know, really the part

1710
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: that would chat my ass is that, you know, he

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: gave up the names of all the other guys and

1712
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: their pictures and everything else. Like that's kind of crossing

1713
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: some lines. I mean, it's it's one to give up

1714
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: the name of day he did to the journalist, and

1715
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: the journalists chose not to publish those names. Uh. Now,

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01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: it's one thing to go to a journalist I suppose,

1717
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: or a Hollywood producer and say this is what I did,

1718
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: and this is what I experienced. But it's another thing

1719
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I went there and I was also

1720
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: with this guy and this guy and this guy and

1721
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: this guy and this guy, and here's their here's their pictures.

1722
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something totally different. Yeah. Absolutely, But nonetheless

1723
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: they must be absolutely furious with him, I would think,

1724
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: especially if as Dale was saying that I was being

1725
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: done for like fame, Hollywood type of it's such a

1726
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: seal thing to do that, that would be the stereotype.

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01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: I guess, um, But but no, and you know what

1728
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: I actually I was gonna say, I do um. Encourage

1729
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: everybody to read the full BuzzFeed article and then there's

1730
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: also the video on there and the drone footage from

1731
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: the operation that Dale was talking about where he was

1732
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: putting the i E. D On the door. But people

1733
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: are wondering, is that Dale? That is Dale? That is Dale?

1734
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: That not? That is Dale on the drone footage placing

1735
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: the charge on the door. And if you go to

1736
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 1: the BuzzFeed article and you watch that drone footage, the

1737
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: guy can run into the door is Dale. So if

1738
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: you go to software radio dot com, I know I

1739
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: can't attach articles on um, you know all the apps.

1740
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,879
Speaker 1: But if you if you read the full article attached

1741
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: to this episode at software radio dot com, I will

1742
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: link to the BuzzFeed article or you just look up

1743
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: the title and should come right up. Which is monarchy

1744
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: hired American? A Middle East monarchy hired American ex soldiers

1745
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: to kill its political enemies? Could this be the Future

1746
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Awards by A ram Roston? Um? So give it a look.

1747
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not we have we have nothing attached

1748
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: to this article, but I think it's worth people reading.

1749
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: It's very in depth, UM. And you know, after listening

1750
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: to that interview, if you haven't read it already, you

1751
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: might want to. Yeah, I think Uh. I don't think

1752
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: Dale and the author of this article are necessarily disputing, um,

1753
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: the facts of what had happened as much as they're

1754
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: disputing the context and the morality of it. And I

1755
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: would also disagree with the author of the article some

1756
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: of the things he says about private military contractors and mercenaries.

1757
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he blurs a lot of lines and it's

1758
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: not a very nuanced argument that he makes. I mean,

1759
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: in some senses he conflates um, you know, being a mercenary,

1760
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: like and like these guys were with being a private

1761
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: security contractor working for the United States government. Say you're

1762
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 1: working for UM, your a ground branch or g R

1763
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: s C I a contractor. You were working for the

1764
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: US government, and it's it's just not the same thing

1765
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: as being a mercenary working for a foreign power in

1766
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: a third country conducting direct action operations. I mean, these

1767
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,919
Speaker 1: are just I understand like it confuses the public sometimes,

1768
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: but there's just a world of difference between these two

1769
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: types of contracting. Well, you know, give it a read.

1770
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: Hope you guys appreciate UM this episode. Love having Dale on.

1771
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: We will definitely have Dale back on leave a review

1772
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: for us on Apple Podcasts. As we always mentioned UM.

1773
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,799
Speaker 1: And then the last thing I wanted to mention actually

1774
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: is we've had on Philibonti from all that remains, And

1775
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: yesterday we heard about the death of their guitar player,

1776
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Alie Herbert uh So rush in peace to Ali. And

1777
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: I saw Phil posting about an Instagram and and just

1778
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like memorial stuff. He was just like

1779
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: fun this day sucks with the picture of his you know,

1780
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: longtime guitar player. They were the two founders of the

1781
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: band all that remains and we all have having fill

1782
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: on here. So it just sucks to hear that news. Uh.

1783
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: And then you know what else I was gonna say,

1784
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: I am no longer going to tease out who the

1785
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: next guest is because every time we've done it the

1786
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: past few shows, we've been wrong. We're gonna have the

1787
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: authors of Like War, which we are going to have

1788
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: one of the authors of Like War. Um a week

1789
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: I should say, because it might change a week from today.

1790
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: You know, we were supposed to have my wife, your wife,

1791
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Benny on, and then we changed that my my wife,

1792
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Benny is great, but she does come second

1793
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: to Dell com Stock in a time like this. This

1794
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: is this is breaking. Yeah, this is breaking. And Benny

1795
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: was actually kind of happy because she's still jet lagged

1796
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: from the coming back from Italy. Yes, she was happy

1797
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: to hand it off the dye. Yeah. I think sometime

1798
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: either the day of our before the premiere of her film,

1799
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: which is no I had the revolution very psyched to

1800
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: see it. I hope to be at the premiere. Uh.

1801
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: And then I also teased out that we're gonna have

1802
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: a certain general on I guess I can mention it now.

1803
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: I mean General mccrystal's people reached out we thought would

1804
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: get General McCrystal on, and it's just like I've been

1805
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: going back and forth with them, and he's going to

1806
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: be in the city and then they're like, oh, he

1807
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: can't do this date maybe a phone or in the future,

1808
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: and I gave him a bunch of dates and they're like, well,

1809
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: you can't do those. So I don't know, we're not

1810
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: important enough that That's what I think is maybe in

1811
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: the future. General McCrystal. I mean, i'd love to have

1812
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: him on the podcast. They sent out books to us,

1813
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: UM and I went back and forth for about a

1814
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: month to get him on, so I was kind of

1815
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: confident that we would, and you know, sometimes these things

1816
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: fall through, so I would I'd be happy to have

1817
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: him on. Of course, who wouldn't be. But this was excellent,

1818
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: UM and I'm sure we'll have Dale back on his

1819
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: Dale said he's working on a new book, so um

1820
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: and and his last book was kind of short, as

1821
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Yeah, I mean Dale is a busy, busy

1822
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: bee gets into so many things. Yeah, all right, Well,

1823
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: our episodes are now on Spotify, the app is up

1824
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 1: once again. Software radio dot com. We have the Facebook

1825
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: page up so if you look up software radio you'll

1826
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: see it there. We a review on Apple podcast really

1827
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: helps us out. I read them all and I'm sure

1828
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: we'll be back next episode and getting some emails, so

1829
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: shoot those over soft rep dot radio at soft rep

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01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: dot com for myself and Jack Murphy. We're out, guys.

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01:31:15,120 --> 01:32:36,880
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