WEBVTT - Media Mash: The Ultimate Decision Maker 0:00:02.210 --> 0:00:06.050 Here's a production of DallasCowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:06.070 --> 0:00:07.430 How about this, Cowboys? 0:00:08.990 --> 0:00:13.170 Let's go, Cowboys! This is Media Mash. 0:00:13.410 --> 0:00:15.480 A roundtable of Cowboys insiders. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:16.419 Dropping wisdom. 0:00:16.460 --> 0:00:19.380 And offering sizzling takes. On the current state of your 0:00:19.540 --> 0:00:23.939 Dallas Cowboys. Brought to you by SeatGeek. The primary ticketing 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.960 partner of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:26.140 --> 0:00:32.650 Now your host, Newey Scruggs. Here we are, time for 0:00:32.690 --> 0:00:35.809 the Media Mash, a rematch of Super Bowl V coming 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.879 your way this week. It's the Colts. They're in Indianapolis now. 0:00:39.900 --> 0:00:41.420 Got to cover John Mackey in this game. 0:00:42.380 --> 0:00:43.620 Johnny Unitas, yes. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.040 Johnny Unitas, Mike Curtis, you know, Jim O'Brien with the 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:48.320 field goal at the end to win the game. 0:00:48.340 --> 0:00:50.320 I thought Mike Curtis covers the Mavs. Bubba Smith. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.300 It's the original Mike. The original Mike Curtis. Yes, Bubba Smith. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.720 Bubba Smith, who was on that Super Bowl III losing 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:57.420 team for the Colts. 0:00:57.780 --> 0:01:00.380 Kitchen Sink Frazier. Sorry, I just like throwing in, like, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:05.700 the random... Old school names. If you go find any 0:01:06.500 --> 0:01:10.460 1930s baseball roster, there's some wild names. The names are 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.840 pretty good. The names are pretty good. Like Nightstand James. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.370 Where did you get that? How did that originate? Cowboys 0:01:17.430 --> 0:01:19.150 and Colts. Nick Harris will be there for the Fort 0:01:19.170 --> 0:01:22.190 Worth Star-Telegram. Got Hall of Famer Ed Werder here in 0:01:22.209 --> 0:01:23.950 the building. Ed, are you going to go on up 0:01:23.970 --> 0:01:25.870 there and get your little St. Elmo's cocktail? 0:01:26.690 --> 0:01:29.510 I've done that before, long ago. It is the only 0:01:29.930 --> 0:01:30.870 cocktail that fights back. 0:01:31.250 --> 0:01:33.590 It does. It does. I made the mistake of doing 0:01:33.610 --> 0:01:35.390 it one time. I didn't do it again. 0:01:35.410 --> 0:01:35.830 Never again? 0:01:36.750 --> 0:01:39.480 Not to that extent. I just take a little dip. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.740 I don't do the whole, yeah. You burn your mouth 0:01:42.819 --> 0:01:44.280 up there with that St. Elmo's cocktail. 0:01:44.660 --> 0:01:46.400 I'm okay with that. 0:01:46.860 --> 0:01:47.160 Not me. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.240 I got my reservation locked in Saturday night. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.910 Ready to roll. Okay. Well, that is the. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.570 You should consider that an invitation. 0:01:56.050 --> 0:01:56.510 I'm not going. 0:01:57.250 --> 0:01:57.370 Oh. 0:01:57.570 --> 0:02:00.670 No. You don't go on the road with three and 0:02:00.710 --> 0:02:01.170 five teams? 0:02:01.190 --> 0:02:03.670 Yeah, I just wait for them to execute. Execute? 0:02:03.910 --> 0:02:06.050 Nick's going to execute the shrimp cocktail. 0:02:06.070 --> 0:02:06.730 Yes. 0:02:07.090 --> 0:02:07.350 Yes. 0:02:07.610 --> 0:02:07.790 Yes. 0:02:07.830 --> 0:02:10.160 Look, that's the thing. Shrimp cocktail Harris. 0:02:10.820 --> 0:02:12.859 The steaks were okay. The steaks were okay. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.060 Shrimpy Harris. Yes. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.000 There you go. There you go. 0:02:15.020 --> 0:02:15.760 We're still working on it. 0:02:16.740 --> 0:02:18.000 What's the weather going to be like? I haven't even 0:02:18.020 --> 0:02:18.799 looked up there. 0:02:18.820 --> 0:02:19.200 Plenty of doors. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.440 It's going to be like high 50s. I doubt they 0:02:21.490 --> 0:02:21.760 open it up. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:22.570 Okay. Well, there you go. 0:02:23.090 --> 0:02:25.170 That place looks amazing when they open it up, though. 0:02:25.190 --> 0:02:27.389 Probably like the coolest looking stadium in the league when 0:02:27.410 --> 0:02:27.830 it's opened. 0:02:28.530 --> 0:02:30.269 I went to the Super Bowl there, the year they 0:02:30.290 --> 0:02:35.690 had it up there when the Giants beat the Patriots 0:02:35.710 --> 0:02:38.350 for the second time. And the thing I just noticed was, 0:02:39.530 --> 0:02:43.030 and it's nothing against the stadium, it's just I'm so 0:02:43.110 --> 0:02:46.649 spoiled by Jerry. I was like, man, a little jumbled 0:02:46.669 --> 0:02:49.299 like that. videos boy like can we can we blow 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.060 it up it's just different when you go to places 0:02:51.100 --> 0:02:53.700 like that and uh but great crowd great crowd they 0:02:53.740 --> 0:02:55.280 love the colts but anyway i remember going there for 0:02:55.310 --> 0:02:57.829 the super bowl but um anyway uh colts two and 0:02:57.910 --> 0:03:01.330 six cowboys three and five the colts have beaten washington 0:03:01.389 --> 0:03:05.470 and houston cowboys who else has done that houston then 0:03:05.500 --> 0:03:09.280 they added philadelphia in here um talking to dac prescott 0:03:09.300 --> 0:03:13.020 we were there he's frustrated he's frustrated. 0:03:12.540 --> 0:03:15.410 By I think CeeDee Lamb is too. I mean, they 0:03:15.450 --> 0:03:18.190 all should be, right? But it's becoming more and more 0:03:18.850 --> 0:03:22.430 publicly apparent and evident in their comments. They're tired of 0:03:22.470 --> 0:03:25.780 talking about the same issues, and yet they seem hopelessly 0:03:25.850 --> 0:03:28.220 unable to resolve any of them. Like, I feel like 0:03:28.260 --> 0:03:29.840 we come out here and have for the past two 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.299 years and ask the same questions at the press conferences 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.240 every single week. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.720 Yeah, it gets frustrating for us. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.080 Which means they're not fixing the things that are issues. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:39.370 25 games now. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.840 It's the same. We're doing the same thing. We're just 0:03:42.860 --> 0:03:45.760 spinning our wheels for 25 games. And then just last 0:03:45.780 --> 0:03:47.520 week when you thought the Cowboys were going to get 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.700 their first win streak going, that doesn't happen. So you're 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:51.820 back to square one again. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.080 It's been a year since they've had a win, one 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.140 consecutive game, almost a calendar year. 0:03:56.580 --> 0:04:00.470 And that's a problem. That's a problem. And that goes 0:04:00.550 --> 0:04:04.430 to the head coach. And I just decided to look, okay, shot. 0:04:04.470 --> 0:04:06.970 He's been here 25 games. I looked at another coach 0:04:06.990 --> 0:04:10.290 has been there 24 games. Um, Down there in Jacksonville, 0:04:10.310 --> 0:04:14.830 Liam Cohen. He's 18-6. How's Ben Johnson? Ben Johnson was– 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.640 all we know is Ben Johnson tore up the Cowboys 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.279 in Schottheimer last year at the Windy City. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:19.900 I was at that one. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.580 Then he was coaching in the NFC Championship game. 0:04:22.620 --> 0:04:23.440 How about Mike Ramble? 0:04:24.420 --> 0:04:25.260 He went to the Super Bowl. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.460 The Super Bowl. My thing with Cohen, and one reason 0:04:27.490 --> 0:04:27.910 I looked. 0:04:27.750 --> 0:04:29.570 At him– You might have the best team in the 0:04:29.610 --> 0:04:30.030 league right now. 0:04:30.050 --> 0:04:32.250 I don't know how you guys felt, but when Cohen 0:04:32.310 --> 0:04:36.630 took over Jacksonville, I thought Shoddy took over a better team. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.219 I was like, if I'm choosing talent, yeah, go here 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.060 with the Cowboys. And then you see what Cohen has 0:04:42.100 --> 0:04:45.900 done with Jacksonville 13-4 last year, 5-2 now. That to 0:04:45.940 --> 0:04:47.900 me is when I'm starting to look at, okay, where 0:04:47.930 --> 0:04:50.170 are you at right now? Where's the improvement as a 0:04:50.210 --> 0:04:50.589 head coach? 0:04:50.630 --> 0:04:53.270 And look at the consistent performances of the quarterback, the 0:04:53.410 --> 0:04:54.510 evolution of the running game. 0:04:54.529 --> 0:04:56.130 He's gotten better. The quarterback's gotten better. 0:04:56.150 --> 0:04:58.940 The defensive side of the football has been a strength. 0:04:59.430 --> 0:05:00.750 of Jacksonville the last two years. 0:05:00.810 --> 0:05:03.450 Yeah, I would add James Gladstone there. Babyface GM has 0:05:03.490 --> 0:05:06.870 done a fantastic job over there as well, not only drafting. 0:05:07.710 --> 0:05:10.760 Even Travis Hunter has not been what they've expected him 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.119 to be. He has not lived up to that billing. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.860 But still, Basial Tootin, still Josh Cameron, who's starting to 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.820 become a big part of their offense. Parker Washington has 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.120 ascended into a superstar here in this league. So they've 0:05:21.140 --> 0:05:22.620 just done a really good job of building that roster 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.650 at the same time too. And Ben Johnson, I think 0:05:24.690 --> 0:05:26.650 we all thought he would be good. I thought he 0:05:26.670 --> 0:05:28.469 was a really good play caller. But you don't know. 0:05:28.930 --> 0:05:30.870 You don't know, but I just, you know. 0:05:31.089 --> 0:05:33.110 There have been plenty of really good coordinators who did 0:05:33.150 --> 0:05:35.599 not make the ascension to head coach success. 0:05:35.620 --> 0:05:37.060 I didn't know anything about Cohen, and that's why I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.040 wouldn't look at him like that. 0:05:38.140 --> 0:05:41.120 Well, it was a big sneaky thing. He had agreed 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.940 to remain with the Tampa Bay Bucs as their offensive coordinator. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.339 He resurrected Baker Mayfield's career as a quarterback. And then 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.839 all of a sudden, Bucs can't get a hold of 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.610 him for two or three days. He was up in Jacksonville, 0:05:54.110 --> 0:05:55.520 and he winds up getting the job. 0:05:55.700 --> 0:05:58.550 And he's done a very good job. They destroyed the 0:05:58.570 --> 0:06:01.570 Colts last week. So that's what I'm thinking about. 0:06:01.589 --> 0:06:04.570 They've got more 24-point wins than any team in football. 0:06:04.589 --> 0:06:06.710 They've got three already. Nobody else has more than one. 0:06:07.310 --> 0:06:11.409 And I didn't know much about him at all. And 0:06:11.430 --> 0:06:13.530 that's why I'm like, 24 games for him, looking at 0:06:13.529 --> 0:06:14.690 25 games for Shotty. 0:06:14.730 --> 0:06:17.030 Worked under Sean McVay with the Rams, the whole group. 0:06:17.630 --> 0:06:20.450 the defensive coordinator, the general manager. 0:06:20.470 --> 0:06:23.120 This is, this is for me when I look at 0:06:23.180 --> 0:06:26.479 this is damning for shoddy. And when you listen to 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.940 Dak CD and the way it is right now, and 0:06:31.380 --> 0:06:34.060 yesterday with Quinn and Williams talking about execution again, like 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.160 I'm hearing the same stuff, but it does make you 0:06:37.220 --> 0:06:41.170 wonder if this frustration levels here, um, by the end 0:06:41.190 --> 0:06:43.510 of the year, if it does, if it continues to 0:06:43.529 --> 0:06:47.779 go this way, the way it's going right now, um, How. 0:06:49.750 --> 0:06:52.529 Well, I told you before we started rolling on the 0:06:52.570 --> 0:06:55.950 show that while Jerry has assured us he's not going 0:06:55.970 --> 0:06:58.050 to make an in-season coaching change. 0:06:58.130 --> 0:06:58.529 And he shouldn't. 0:06:58.690 --> 0:07:01.080 He's not going to be– shot, he's not going to 0:07:01.100 --> 0:07:04.700 be the next Wade Phillips. But he easily could be 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.740 the next Chan Gailey, the only coach that Jerry has 0:07:07.779 --> 0:07:08.520 fired after two years. 0:07:08.540 --> 0:07:09.740 And Gailey made the playoffs. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.670 Yes, he did. Losing to Jake Plummer and the Cardinals 0:07:12.730 --> 0:07:14.670 at Texas Stadium was not a good– Who loses to 0:07:14.690 --> 0:07:17.370 the Cardinals at home? expectations have changed around here huh 0:07:17.510 --> 0:07:23.070 yeah yes yes yes yes it is that and so 0:07:23.250 --> 0:07:24.570 here come the Colts and. 0:07:24.830 --> 0:07:27.050 Look well I thought I thought the best line today 0:07:27.110 --> 0:07:29.890 or the best moment today in talking to the players 0:07:29.970 --> 0:07:33.190 was Dak Prescott's response to a question about have you 0:07:33.210 --> 0:07:35.230 guys found your offensive identity yet. 0:07:35.090 --> 0:07:35.590 And he said uh. 0:07:37.170 --> 0:07:40.030 Yeah I mean is it one we're proud of I 0:07:40.070 --> 0:07:41.170 don't know about that. 0:07:40.930 --> 0:07:45.430 That's damning Considering he showed up at training camp with 0:07:45.510 --> 0:07:47.800 the Super Bowl XXX shirt on. 0:07:48.130 --> 0:07:48.550 Gotti. 0:07:48.850 --> 0:07:51.000 Yes, the greatest offense there is, talk. 0:07:51.780 --> 0:07:53.800 Greatest offense there is. You know what happened the other 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.000 day when they lost to the Cardinals at home? Their 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:00.200 last two possessions, their last full possession of regulation when 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.120 they had a three-point lead and could close the game out? 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.240 Negative yards and a field goal. You know what they 0:08:05.260 --> 0:08:08.810 did on their only possession of overtime? Negative yards and 0:08:08.850 --> 0:08:09.090 a punt. 0:08:09.620 --> 0:08:12.690 Their last 24 plays, or their last 27 plays ran 0:08:12.690 --> 0:08:13.530 34 yards. 0:08:15.250 --> 0:08:16.720 It's not elite play calling, is it? 0:08:17.650 --> 0:08:20.090 Or execution. We could boil that down to a lot 0:08:20.110 --> 0:08:22.710 of things, but it's definitely not the greatest offense there is. 0:08:23.750 --> 0:08:28.270 And it's eight games. Eight games, and it's not pretty, 0:08:28.470 --> 0:08:30.810 but you've got the Colts, and so I'm not going 0:08:30.830 --> 0:08:32.270 to sit up here and just say this is a 0:08:32.670 --> 0:08:33.010 W at all. 0:08:34.950 --> 0:08:37.809 And you talk about damning. You know what else is damning? 0:08:38.429 --> 0:08:42.540 Dak Prescott has the fourth highest passer rating in the NFL, 0:08:43.020 --> 0:08:45.439 and he's got the highest passer rating for any team 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.780 that does not have a winning record. So again, just 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.550 like last year, you're still getting high-level quarterback play, and 0:08:52.630 --> 0:08:55.130 you're playing in a division where the NFC East teams 0:08:55.170 --> 0:08:59.280 have started 10 different quarterbacks now. I mean, once Joe 0:08:59.300 --> 0:09:03.270 Milton off the Cowboys practice squad starts for Philly, 10 0:09:03.270 --> 0:09:07.950 different quarterbacks, right? Philly started four. The Giants have started three. 0:09:08.450 --> 0:09:11.330 Washington started two. And you've had Dak Prescott every game. 0:09:12.150 --> 0:09:16.390 And you've had your two Pro Bowl receivers in CeeDee 0:09:16.429 --> 0:09:18.400 Lamb and George Pickens. That's why I say at the 0:09:18.420 --> 0:09:20.520 end of the year, if this team does not win 0:09:20.540 --> 0:09:24.660 the division, it's going to be a real hard conversation 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:26.200 with Brian Shotton. 0:09:26.220 --> 0:09:27.680 They can't miss the playoffs three years in a row. 0:09:28.370 --> 0:09:29.209 No, you can't. 0:09:29.490 --> 0:09:31.410 And there not be any consequences. No. 0:09:31.630 --> 0:09:33.890 And like I said, to me, when I look at Liam, 0:09:34.030 --> 0:09:36.000 to me, I just look at that. And even Dave 0:09:36.010 --> 0:09:40.860 Canales with Carolina, who played shotty last year, and they 0:09:40.900 --> 0:09:44.679 ended up, you know, remember the game? Six minutes to go, 0:09:44.700 --> 0:09:46.280 they get the football, they go right down the field, 0:09:46.300 --> 0:09:47.860 and they don't give it back. And Rico Dowd will 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.699 put on a show. So this is the kind of stuff. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:50.150 Buckle up. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.580 Yeah, buckle up. But 25 games into this, and now 0:09:53.620 --> 0:09:55.780 by the end of the season, the report card is 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:56.840 going to be there for shotty. 0:09:56.860 --> 0:10:04.319 10-14-1. Schottenheimer is looking to avoid becoming the first Cowboys 0:10:04.340 --> 0:10:09.850 head coach since Dave Campo. In 2000-2001 to finish under. 0:10:09.830 --> 0:10:11.510 500 in each of his first two seasons as a 0:10:11.530 --> 0:10:14.830 head coach, Jerry fired Campo after his third 5-11 season. 0:10:16.340 --> 0:10:20.120 Only Schottenheimer, whose winning percentage is 420, and Campo, whose 0:10:20.220 --> 0:10:24.559 winning percentage is 313, they're the only coaches in Cowboys 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.020 history with a sub-500 record. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.960 Somebody had asked me about Campo this week, and I 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.070 defended Campo from this standpoint. They had salary cap problems. 0:10:32.870 --> 0:10:35.030 You had salary cap problems, and you had quarterback issues. 0:10:35.890 --> 0:10:39.170 You can't say that here. You cannot say that here. 0:10:39.550 --> 0:10:41.630 And more is expected. And then, of course, when you 0:10:41.650 --> 0:10:45.620 start to look at the division this year– This is 0:10:45.660 --> 0:10:46.120 not good. 0:10:46.340 --> 0:10:48.850 That'll be the worst because Jerry's going to make the 0:10:48.900 --> 0:10:51.290 argument that he empowered the head coach to hire the 0:10:51.330 --> 0:10:55.170 defensive coordinator. They drafted to support that defensive coordinator. They 0:10:55.210 --> 0:10:58.270 made trades to support that defensive coordinator, including during the season, 0:10:59.050 --> 0:11:01.770 and you can't win this division as the only one 0:11:01.820 --> 0:11:04.300 who's had your quarterback all year long so far? 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:06.340 This is bad. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.319 It's damning. This is bad. This is bad, and then 0:11:10.340 --> 0:11:11.760 you look at the psych. 0:11:11.820 --> 0:11:12.880 And we all like shotting, right? 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.110 Yes. When do you look at the whole picture, though? 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:18.370 When are you going. 0:11:18.140 --> 0:11:22.130 To evaluate the general manager as part of that? 0:11:22.290 --> 0:11:24.230 Obviously, that's not going to be anything that you can fix. 0:11:24.350 --> 0:11:26.429 But there's still things in between the general manager and 0:11:26.450 --> 0:11:29.689 the head coach that exist in this building. And you've 0:11:29.710 --> 0:11:32.370 had one playoff win this decade. And you've had one 0:11:32.410 --> 0:11:34.670 since the start of 2019, actually. You go a year 0:11:34.710 --> 0:11:37.650 prior than that. When do you start looking at certain 0:11:37.690 --> 0:11:39.750 drafts that have not worked out around here, certain free agents, 0:11:39.790 --> 0:11:42.020 certain trades that have not worked out around here? And 0:11:42.100 --> 0:11:44.360 I don't think that always... You think Jerry's. 0:11:44.140 --> 0:11:44.800 Going to fire Steve? 0:11:44.820 --> 0:11:48.060 Is that what you're saying? I'm saying that there is 0:11:48.100 --> 0:11:51.230 a whole staff upstairs that, you know, they have things 0:11:51.250 --> 0:11:53.790 to answer to as well. Will McClay's staff. So I 0:11:53.830 --> 0:11:54.429 wonder about that. 0:11:56.250 --> 0:11:57.310 You got an issue with Will McClay? 0:11:57.330 --> 0:11:59.290 I don't have an issue with Will McClay. No, I 0:11:59.290 --> 0:12:00.809 think he's a great guy. No, if we look at 0:12:00.830 --> 0:12:02.480 these drafts over the course of the last three years, 0:12:02.510 --> 0:12:05.479 let's think about it. 2023, you got Luke Schoonmaker and 0:12:05.500 --> 0:12:07.440 DeMarvin Overstone. Those are the only two left on this team. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.069 Since then... outside of offensive line, which I'll give it 0:12:12.090 --> 0:12:14.210 to this, this building, they know how to draft offensive 0:12:14.230 --> 0:12:18.470 linemen outside of offensive linemen. Where have your, where have 0:12:18.490 --> 0:12:20.860 your contributors been? Ryan Flanoy. We were talking about this 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.360 at practice today at Ryan Flanoy. And I'll give you 0:12:23.420 --> 0:12:25.260 overshown just because the injuries have gotten in the way. 0:12:25.300 --> 0:12:27.460 You couldn't really predict that. So even if I'm giving 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.700 you overshown, you got two there, Shamar James. Okay. Okay. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.760 I'll give you three, but where, where else are we? 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.090 You know, Mozzie Smith obviously didn't work out. Donovan has 0:12:37.110 --> 0:12:40.750 a rock who has not worked out. Um, Maris Leofow 0:12:40.770 --> 0:12:42.400 was a third-round pick. Has not worked out. 0:12:42.410 --> 0:12:43.090 Kaelin Carson. 0:12:43.270 --> 0:12:45.850 Kaelin, fifth-round pick. I mean, at day threes, I feel 0:12:45.870 --> 0:12:48.390 like they're kind of stabs anyway. But if we're looking 0:12:48.450 --> 0:12:50.610 at day one, day two, it hasn't been consistent outside 0:12:50.630 --> 0:12:51.270 of offensive line. 0:12:52.170 --> 0:12:57.220 Fair point. Let me argue this thing here. When we're 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:02.260 looking at Will McClay, Jerry has gone and listened to 0:13:02.300 --> 0:13:05.240 a lot of his assistant coaches. Go back to Fajoko. 0:13:05.860 --> 0:13:11.890 He's a DQ guy. Sam Williams. DQ wanted him. And 0:13:12.380 --> 0:13:15.130 that's the thing when I look at how they drive. Ezeraku, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.960 the guy who came from the Jets, he was here 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:18.220 for you. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.320 He loved him. He loved Ezeraku. And he talked about, hey, man, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:21.800 we should take him. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:22.199 In the first. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:22.520 Right. 0:13:22.540 --> 0:13:24.119 So you're saying some of this is the consequence of 0:13:24.179 --> 0:13:25.880 changing defensive coordinators every year. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.979 Changing coordinators, but also listening to them and trying to 0:13:30.020 --> 0:13:31.679 give the carpet to the tools that they wanted. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.339 Who's in on those defensive coordinator interviews? Who's the only 0:13:34.380 --> 0:13:35.739 other body in those rooms? 0:13:36.100 --> 0:13:37.220 Who's on the trips? Steven. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:44.000 Will McClay. But Will's not the decision maker. He's an influence. 0:13:44.010 --> 0:13:45.960 He's an influence. He's a massive influence. 0:13:45.980 --> 0:13:48.140 But he's not the decision maker. And we've seen where 0:13:48.220 --> 0:13:51.260 Jerry will be a very collaborative guy, and they listen 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.720 to people. I mean, I remember the time when Navarro 0:13:53.740 --> 0:13:56.300 Bowman's on the board, and that was where the scouts 0:13:56.340 --> 0:13:58.660 wanted to go. But Wade was like, I got Keith Brooking, 0:13:59.110 --> 0:14:02.230 and I want Keith Brooking. And that was a mistake. 0:14:02.950 --> 0:14:05.610 Rod Marinelli sits up here and says, well, you know, hey, man, 0:14:05.630 --> 0:14:08.240 I want Tristan Hill. Let's go get Tristan Hill. Scouts 0:14:08.260 --> 0:14:10.059 talk about Juan Thornhill. I remember the show that Brian 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.980 Broaddus was doing. Hey, Juan Thornhill's a good guy. 0:14:12.660 --> 0:14:15.400 How about Taco Charlton versus T.J. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.979 Watt? T.J. Watt didn't fit the scheme, according to Rod Marinelli. 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.930 So I hear what you're saying, but I do wonder 0:14:23.010 --> 0:14:28.210 many times around here. If he was Chris Ballard and 0:14:28.230 --> 0:14:30.320 got to make the decisions like Chris did in Indianapolis, 0:14:30.580 --> 0:14:33.100 then I'd say, okay, let's have a conversation. But there's 0:14:33.140 --> 0:14:35.920 a lot of chefs in the kitchen around here. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:36.660 Yeah, there is. 0:14:36.780 --> 0:14:38.720 Then what's the point of having them? Then what are 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:39.700 the decisions he does make? 0:14:40.420 --> 0:14:42.320 So I remember asking Jerry one time, why don't you 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.940 hire a general manager? And when I was doing the 0:14:44.740 --> 0:14:47.780 show on Fridays, 105.3 The Fan, and we'd have Jerry 10. 0:14:47.780 --> 0:14:51.230 And he basically said to me, He's going to be 0:14:51.250 --> 0:14:54.200 in a way. He's still got to come to me. Like, oh, okay, 0:14:54.220 --> 0:14:56.500 you Jesus. Only way to see the Father is through me. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.200 Okay. When was that? 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.120 2010, 2011, around that time. 0:15:02.140 --> 0:15:04.700 So things have obviously changed since then. Well, McClay's coming 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:05.979 to the building. Or not coming to the building, but 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.880 he's taken on this role since then. But I just 0:15:07.900 --> 0:15:09.400 say from the standpoint of you've still got to come 0:15:09.420 --> 0:15:12.220 to Jerry with all of this. It still comes to Jerry. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.880 And while, yes, you can say that, but they've also 0:15:17.380 --> 0:15:20.180 had some good players here. We can talk about guys 0:15:20.220 --> 0:15:24.360 that they've drafted and whatnot. So I don't know. Okay, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.580 I'd say Kelvin Joseph is another scout. Told me, man, 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.880 this guy's good, good. I mean, it looked terrible. Terrible 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.930 pick here. I mean, the guy, they gambled like they 0:15:34.950 --> 0:15:35.750 do in the second round. 0:15:35.770 --> 0:15:36.450 On and off the field. 0:15:36.550 --> 0:15:36.830 Yes. 0:15:37.410 --> 0:15:37.690 Yes. 0:15:37.830 --> 0:15:39.650 So did Kelvin. You know, for a while, the second 0:15:39.690 --> 0:15:42.740 round pick. I mean, think about it. Kelvin Joseph. 0:15:42.940 --> 0:15:44.700 I can't remember who loved him. It was one of 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:45.640 the guys who loved him. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:46.900 Jalen Smith. 0:15:47.460 --> 0:15:49.650 Sam Williams in the second round. That thing didn't work. 0:15:49.710 --> 0:15:53.910 We've got Schooney. Now, this is another one, and I 0:15:53.990 --> 0:16:00.340 don't know about the Mozzie-Schooney, but I heard that the 0:16:00.380 --> 0:16:05.740 head coach, McCarthy, loved the kid out of Iowa's down, Laporta. 0:16:06.340 --> 0:16:06.840 They did, yeah. 0:16:07.100 --> 0:16:10.400 Loved Laporta, but then... The scouts were like, nah, we 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.520 need some beef up front. 0:16:11.620 --> 0:16:12.160 Need a block. 0:16:12.850 --> 0:16:15.390 And Mozzie ended up being the guy. And then they 0:16:15.410 --> 0:16:19.850 went back and DQ'd Fajoko. So you bring up a 0:16:19.870 --> 0:16:23.230 real good point. I'd love to know more of the 0:16:23.270 --> 0:16:25.460 inside conversation about how they do this. 0:16:25.820 --> 0:16:27.760 I guess this is just more so a conversation to 0:16:27.780 --> 0:16:29.600 bring up for debate, not even necessarily that I have 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.060 a take that Will McClay has not been good at 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.340 his job because I don't believe that. But I will ask, 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.960 you know, we talk about the Joneses and all the 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.100 issues start up top. all right, what is the voice 0:16:38.140 --> 0:16:40.380 in this entire building that the Joneses trust the most 0:16:40.740 --> 0:16:42.900 whose last name is not Jones? It's Will McClay. It's 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:43.380 Will McClay. 0:16:44.020 --> 0:16:45.510 Yeah, it is Will McClay. 0:16:45.810 --> 0:16:46.910 So you think about that. 0:16:47.630 --> 0:16:51.350 Like you're saying, he doesn't have complete autonomy to decide 0:16:51.870 --> 0:16:53.910 which players they draft. He might be the person who 0:16:53.930 --> 0:16:57.670 goes out with the defensive coordinator or the offensive coordinator 0:16:57.730 --> 0:17:01.850 and gathers all the information and evaluates and grades, and 0:17:01.870 --> 0:17:04.040 then ultimately it's a collaborative decision. 0:17:04.100 --> 0:17:04.689 Yeah. 0:17:05.250 --> 0:17:06.710 And if it works, Jerry takes credit for it. 0:17:06.710 --> 0:17:07.350 And if it doesn't. 0:17:07.369 --> 0:17:07.510 Right. 0:17:07.550 --> 0:17:10.050 Like, hey, Nick, here's all the information, Nick. Here's all 0:17:10.090 --> 0:17:12.869 the information. Here's what I would do, Nick. But ultimately, 0:17:13.609 --> 0:17:13.970 Will McClay. 0:17:13.990 --> 0:17:16.310