1 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,999 Speaker 1: Lessons from the world's top professors anytime, any place, world 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: history examined and science explained. This is one day university Welcome. 3 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: You were listening to half hour history Secrets of the 4 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Medieval World. I, of course, I'm your host, Mike Coscarelli. 5 00:00:39,239 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Last time the emperors and the popes were jockeying for power. 6 00:00:43,839 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: Now we're leaving those squabbles behind for a bird's eye 7 00:00:47,279 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: view of how territories became nations and. 8 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: How nations became nation states. 9 00:00:53,519 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: We've got the Magna Carta, Columbus Louis, the fourteenth eleanor 10 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: of Aquitaine, King Richard. The name drops are ridiculous. Here's 11 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Chris with the crash. 12 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: Course, let's say right from the beginning that when we 13 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: talk about nations, you can't think of borders and nations 14 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: and the un in the way we think of them nowadays. 15 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: Maybe we should talk about territories. But that's not quite 16 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: right either, because what we're getting toward is the nation state. 17 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: It's an early modern and modern construction, and it's something 18 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: that becomes very important in that period, and we live 19 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: with it every day of our lives today. But since 20 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: we are going toward nations, we're going in that direction. 21 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: I think it's okay to talk about nation building with 22 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: that caveat. And the reason we look upon this in 23 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: this way is that if you look at Europe about 24 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: nine hundred, right, so we have the early, the High 25 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: and the late Medieval period. So as we look at 26 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: it at the end of that early going toward that 27 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: High Midias period about nine hundred, and then we look 28 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: at Europe in fifteen hundred. Yeah, the map looks different, 29 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: there's no question about that. And so let's look first 30 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: in overview of some of these chunks, and then we 31 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: can look specifically at some of those chunks. 32 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: The first thing is France. 33 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: France does not look then like it looks now and 34 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: again these are very subtle and gray areas. There's a 35 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: very slow emergence of something called royal primacy in France. 36 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: France's borders move a lot. So even saying France is 37 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: kind of tough. We might want to put that in 38 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: quotation marks, because there's Aquitaine in the Bordeaux region and 39 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: the Norman region, and all of these have very very 40 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: strong leaders almost to the points of being kings, but 41 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: not quite being kings, and they can't quite get pushed 42 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: back by the person who's sitting in Paris, who's pretty strong. 43 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: He's a first among. 44 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: Equals, but he's got to keep these other people at 45 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: bay as well. So power is centered in Paris, but 46 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: you have other very very strong areas, and some of 47 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: those regions could be run by women. The one I 48 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: think of is Eleanor of Aquitaine, who's a great movie 49 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: done in the sixties called The Lion in Winter with 50 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: two great actors. Eleanor of Aquitaine is played by Catherine 51 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: Hepburn and Henry the Second of England is played by 52 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: Peter O'Toole, and they have this huge battle because Eleanor 53 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: basically controls all of Aquitaine, incredibly rich, incredibly important. She 54 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: can't be queen in the sense of being the total monarch, 55 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: but she's basically running England and France at the same time. 56 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: So the king in. 57 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: Paris is a king of Paris, the ancient capital, but 58 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: he doesn't have total sway over all of those other people. Meanwhile, 59 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: in England I just mentioned Henry the Second. In England, 60 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: Henry the Second is in a weird position because in 61 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: one way he is the King of England, but in 62 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: another way, as the Duke of Normandy, he's under the 63 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: King of France. And you really want to complicate it. 64 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: Eleanor of Aquitaine is married to Henry the Second, but 65 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 3: she used. 66 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: To be married to the King of France. 67 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: A reminder that England and France literally intermarried with each other. 68 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: And in the years eleven hundred and twelve hundred, as 69 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: late as thirteen hundred, the language at court in England. 70 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: In England was not English but French. England has another heritage. 71 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: It's the heritage of the Angles and the Saxons and 72 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: the Celts who had all been there in the central 73 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: portion of the island, and in the western portion of 74 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: the island, and in the eastern portion of the island. 75 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: Remember the Vikings at the Jorvik Center York as it's 76 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: called nowadays. So you also had this regionalization in England 77 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: as well, and this role of the local community. So 78 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: on paper a monarchy, in practice not so much. And 79 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: England and France are married together, why are they speaking 80 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: French in the English court? In eleven and twelve hundred, 81 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: ten sixty six, the Norman invasion, William, the Duke of 82 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: Normandy invades and becomes the William the Conqueror, and then 83 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: he's the same person who's called William the first King 84 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: of England. And this close relationship is not going to 85 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: get unlocked for three hundred years around thirteen fifty. It 86 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: begins around fourteen fifty, it ends the one hundred Years War. 87 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: So England and France from ten sixty six to fourteen 88 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: fifty three are in this very very close relationship. Then 89 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: you have Germany and the Holy Roman Empire. We've been 90 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: talking about that for some time, and I'll get to 91 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: that in a minute. 92 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: And then Spain. 93 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: Now we've been talking a little bit about Spain. Spain 94 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: is its own animal. Remember, Spain is dominated by Islam. 95 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: The Christians are pushing the Muslims down. From seven point 96 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: thirty two about ten eighty five is a halfway will 97 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: Mark with Toledo, which is about center in the box 98 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: of modern day Spain and Portugal. And the interesting thing 99 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: about the development of kingdom's plural kingdoms in Spain is 100 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 3: that they are coming together as the Christians are pushing 101 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: the Muslims down. The Christians are coming together to fight 102 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: a common enemy. Right, so they may not like each 103 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: other very much, but they have a common enemy. 104 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. 105 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: So that's how uniting takes place in Spain. Okay, a 106 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: little overview. Now, let's look at France, England, Germany and 107 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: Spain a little bit separately. France from about one thousand 108 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: to about fifteen hundred is ruled by a family called 109 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: Cupet cap Et, the Kapitian dynasty. Hugh Cupet was the 110 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: father of this family. But as I said earlier, the 111 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: king in Paris, the Kpetians control Paris and the surrounding area, 112 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: has very very severe limits within French territories, and they're 113 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: always fighting off these English claims as well. And yet 114 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: that king in Paris, in fact, the kings all over 115 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: have a much stronger royal Christian claim to authority. There 116 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: are much stronger liturgical, ritualistic religious overtones than you find 117 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: in England. France also has less experience with representation than England. 118 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: So what you have is a king and then a 119 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: court around him, the couria rageous and England, by contrast, 120 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: has something called parliament. 121 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: So the king and his court control a. 122 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: Small area but not much beyond that, whereas the king 123 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: in England has this other body over there called parliament 124 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: where power flows from the bottom up. So there's gonna 125 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: be some conflict there. Paris has something called a parliament, 126 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: but it's something that comes together rather infrequently. The King 127 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: of France preserves the law, but he is above the law. 128 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: Now that strikes us as odd. 129 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: When Pete Rose was thrown out of baseball by Bart Giamatti, 130 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: Bart Giamatti, the commissioner of baseball, said, let no man 131 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: think that he is above the game. And we say, 132 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: thinking perhaps to Nixon and Watergate, let no man think 133 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: that he is above the law. Well, that's exactly what 134 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: it was in Paris. The king preserves the law, but 135 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: he is above the law. He has stronger bloodlines, he 136 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: has prestige, he has aura. The stylized ritual in the 137 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: French court is going to last for centuries ahead. 138 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Think of Louis the. 139 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: Fourteenth and Versailles, Louis the fifteenth, Louis the sixteenth. 140 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: And Marie Antoinette. The killing. 141 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: The beheading of Louis the sixteenth is so striking to 142 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: the world because this is a divine right monarchy. In fact, 143 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: they call themselves the ancient regime, the ancient regime, the. 144 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Way it had always been. 145 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: So France, though it has these competing powers, has this 146 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: aura about it. So the French king, meaning the man 147 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: in Paris, has less territory under his direct control. We 148 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: call this institutional centralization the corea regis, but geographic decentralization, 149 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: how did it really work? Listen, the king in Paris 150 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: wants you to pay your taxes. If you pay your 151 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: taxes and show up to fight when he asks you, 152 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: the king is going to leave you alone. So Paris 153 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: is one the the biggest piece, the most prestigious piece. 154 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 2: In a patchwork. 155 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: You're not going to have a strong king of France 156 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: until fourteen fifty three. And you're not going to have 157 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: that strong king of France until they start pushing the 158 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: English out again they unite against a common enemy. Other 159 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: side of the channel, there's England. England has a stronger 160 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: drive to centralize in the France French, but they had 161 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: that longer tradition of local authority of Anglo Saxon. Even 162 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: in the area where the Vikings were. It was still 163 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: as late as Oney eleven hundred called the Dane law. 164 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: The area where the law of the Danes the people 165 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 3: from Denmark, the Vikings where that Law was in charge, 166 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: and that's around York, and then the Norman invasion in 167 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: ten sixty six when William beats Harold. If you've ever 168 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,239 Speaker 3: seen the Bayeux tapestry, either in real life or in photos, 169 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: what you have is the story like in a series 170 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: of cartoons that would be pasted along a wall of 171 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: the battle. And so you see William crossing the channel, 172 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: and you see William attacking Harold, and Harold getting an 173 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: arrow in the eye and Harold falling off the horse, 174 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: and William taking the throne as an example of what 175 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: goes on between this other authority, this other power that 176 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: goes from the bottom up. Think of Magna carta. So 177 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: you have King John, remember King John from robin Hood. 178 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: In Robinhood, King John is Prince John and his brother 179 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: is Richard, the lion Hearted, both children by the way 180 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: of Henry the Second and Eleanor of Aquitaine. And King 181 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: Richard is off fighting the Crusades. He couldn't care less 182 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: about England. He's French in his heart, He's French in 183 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: his tongue. It's his language. He goes off fighting the Crusades. 184 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: He's killed while he's fighting the Crusades. Prince John becomes 185 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 3: King John, and he finds that he needs the baron's 186 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: help to rule, and so the barons force him to 187 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: sign something called the Great Charter or the Magna Carta 188 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: in the year twelve fifteen. Now it's often said, oh, 189 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: the Magna Carta doesn't have anything to do with us, 190 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: meaning everyday blue collar, middle class people. 191 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: That's true. King John signed the Magna Carta with. 192 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: The barons, and the barons aren't asserting they don't care 193 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: about rights and privileges for people below them. They care 194 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: about their rights. When they say our rights, that's what 195 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: they mean, their own rights. Nevertheless, trial by a jury 196 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: of your peers, being forced to be charged explicitly with 197 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: the crime within a certain amount of time what we 198 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: call habeas corpus. You could draw a line between the 199 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: Magna Carta and the reading of your miranda rights in 200 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: something that we call due process. And what is magna 201 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: carta fundamentally? Magna carta fundamentally is a restriction of state 202 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: power represented by the king against individuals. This is a 203 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: process that's called federalism, and it's something that Americans fight 204 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: about all the time. 205 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: What is the size of government? 206 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: How close should government be to people's private lives, and 207 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: because you always have this tradition of rising up against 208 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: a centralized state power in England, this is why monarchy 209 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: in England ultimately collapses with the glorious Revolution in sixteen 210 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: eighty eight. 211 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: Glorious because it is bloodless. 212 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: At the same time, in sixteen eighty eight, when Louis 213 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: the fourteenth is the son king in Versailles and basically 214 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: thinks he's God on Earth. 215 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: After the break, Chris catches us up on Germany and 216 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Empire and also explains how Columbus charmed 217 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Queen Isabella. 218 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: What's going around in Germany now? Germany and the Holy 219 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: Roman Empire. If you take a look of the Holy 220 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: Roman Empire at this period, all the way up to 221 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: about fifteen hundred, you have these little states. If you 222 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: take a map of the United States and look not 223 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: at the borders of the states but the borders of 224 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: the counties. Jeez, who knows how many counties there are 225 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: within each state, that's kind of what Germany was like. 226 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: And so above that, so you had lots of counts, 227 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: lots of local dukes, lots of feudalism. But above that 228 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: you had that holy Roman Emperor. Just listen to the phrase. Right, 229 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: holy Roman Emperor, who was ever on that throne, says, 230 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm tracing myself back to Henry the fifth, to Henry 231 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: the fourth, to Henry the third, to the Ottos, to 232 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: the Fredericks, to Charlemagne, to Constantine. 233 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: I am the defender of the faith. 234 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: I am king of the Romans, even though I'm up 235 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: here in Germany and Rome is down there. I am 236 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: king of the Romans as well. And the phrase that 237 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,479 Speaker 3: they use is the translazzio imperi, the translation of the empire. 238 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: Now let's look at that word translation for a moment. 239 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: When I late from French into English, I'm taking words, 240 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: if you will, from one place to another place, when 241 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: relics of a saint in the Catholic tradition are moved 242 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: from one place to another. When Pope John Paul the 243 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: second was beatified in the spring of the year twenty eleven, 244 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: a few months before that, actually his body was translated moved, 245 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: not the body itself, but the tomb. The coffin was 246 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: moved from its original burial place underneath Saint Peter's to 247 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: a spot for veneration, and that spot it happens to 248 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: be right next to where Michelangelo's Pata is. 249 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: If you walk into Saint Peter's Basilica, you. 250 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: Go to the right and the first altar is the 251 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: piata and the second altar is the body of John 252 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: Paul the Second in the spring of twenty eleven, and 253 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: that is called the translation of the body. 254 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: So that's a physical translation. 255 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: This is a intellectual translation, in ideological translation, that the 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: empire has moved. Well, that shouldn't surprise us, because didn't 257 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: Constantine move the empire when they moved the capital of 258 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: the empire from the Latin west, the city of Rome, 259 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: to the Greek east, the village of Byzantium that he 260 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: renamed Constantinople. So why can't it move again? Remember Charlemagne 261 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: said that Achen was a nova Roma, a new Rome, 262 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: a Tertia Roma, a third Rome, Rome, Constantinople, Achen. 263 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: So this is not strange to the medieval mind. 264 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: And the name of the dynasty of the family name 265 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: was the Hohenstaufen, a series of autos and Henry's and Frederick's. 266 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: My students often ask me why don't they keep changing names? 267 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: Why don't they just take the same name again and 268 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: again and again, and the answer is, I don't know why. 269 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: But you also have many local authorities as well. However, 270 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,559 Speaker 3: the Holy Roman Emperor holds sway over Germany in a 271 00:17:13,639 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: much stronger fashion than that King of Paris, call the 272 00:17:18,199 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 3: King of France holds over the people in France. That 273 00:17:21,479 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: Holy Roman Empire is going to be a problem for 274 00:17:24,679 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: the Church all the way up through Luther. Now let's 275 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 3: go back to Spain. When you say Spain, you think 276 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,279 Speaker 3: of a country nowadays, and we always say Spain and Portugal, 277 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:42,759 Speaker 3: that strip of land of Portugal, that small country that 278 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: has had a disproportionate influence on world history because of 279 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: Henry the Navigator and his school of navigation and those 280 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: great ship captains. Spain doesn't exist in the ancient world 281 00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:59,559 Speaker 3: in the way we think of it today. The Roman 282 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: Empire had a couple of provinces over there in Spain, 283 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: but when the Muslim come along, they take over the area. 284 00:18:07,439 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: But it was broken up into various regions, and the 285 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:18,079 Speaker 3: region in Arabic was called al Andalus Andulacia. 286 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: You may have heard that word. 287 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:22,319 Speaker 3: So if you're doing some reading and you see some 288 00:18:22,439 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: reference to all Andalus, that is a Muslim or an 289 00:18:26,239 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 3: Arabic reference to the region that we today called Spain 290 00:18:30,399 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: and Portugal dominated by the Muslims from seven thirty two 291 00:18:34,439 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: to fourteen ninety two, and having these smaller kingdoms fusing 292 00:18:40,679 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: together as the Christians defeat the Muslims. Now, we've talked 293 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: about that in general terms several times. Now let's look 294 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: at it more practically, and some of these names will 295 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: be familiar to you from your travels or your study. Barcelona, 296 00:18:56,719 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 3: for instance, becomes it's a small region which becomes the 297 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 3: Kingdom of Aragon, and that area gets married with a 298 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: local kingdom called Catalan, and in the eight hundreds those 299 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: two come together in larger kingdoms, smaller kingdoms becoming larger 300 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,759 Speaker 3: kingdoms called Leon and Castile, and in the nine hundreds, 301 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: Castile goes to Navarre. Around the one thousands, and then 302 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: the big event, the Full of Toledo in ten eighty five, 303 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: and as the Christians are coming together and fusing their 304 00:19:33,439 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 3: authority together, it's working, right, so the kings can now 305 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 3: claim that they are defending the faith. They use the 306 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: exact same phrase as the Holy Roman emperors are using, 307 00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:47,079 Speaker 3: and it's working. They're coming together, they're gathering lands, and 308 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: as they defeat the Muslims, they gather those lands in 309 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: as well, so that eventually, in fourteen sixty nine, where 310 00:19:55,399 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: the very end of our period, we meet Isabella, Isabella 311 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: of Castile leone in the year fourteen sixty nine marries 312 00:20:04,439 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: Ferdinand of Aragon, and make no mistake, she was the 313 00:20:08,399 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 3: brains of that operation. And so Castillion gets together with Aragon. 314 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: They finally finish the reconquest with the fall of Granada 315 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: in the southernmost portion of Spain called Seville. And the 316 00:20:21,719 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: reason Columbus, as the phrase goes, sails the ocean blue 317 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: in fourteen hundred and ninety two, is that everybody saw 318 00:20:27,639 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: this coming. It was in inevitability. And Columbus had had 319 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 3: some trouble getting funding, and he was kind of flirting 320 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,519 Speaker 3: with Isabella, and he said, come on, come on, give 321 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 3: me some money. 322 00:20:36,959 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 2: For some ships. And she said, I can't. Can't you 323 00:20:38,479 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: see him fighting the Muslims? 324 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 3: And he said to her, would you agree that when 325 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: you win, and we all know you're going to win, 326 00:20:45,639 --> 00:20:48,799 Speaker 3: your majesty, when you win, you'll give me money for 327 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: three ships. 328 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: And she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy. 329 00:20:50,959 --> 00:20:54,759 Speaker 3: Genuine go away, And as the story goes, as the 330 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 3: legend goes, she walks into her throne room once she's 331 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:03,559 Speaker 3: the battle is over and Granada has fallen, and she 332 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: mocks the Muslims, yelling allah Acbar. 333 00:21:06,639 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: Don't know whether it's true or not, but it's a 334 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: great insult to do it that way. 335 00:21:09,959 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 3: And Columbus bows before her and says, congratulations, your majesty, 336 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: Now can I have my three ships? So we have 337 00:21:17,159 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: this connection of all of these great events from the 338 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: end of a medieval effort that had begun seven hundred 339 00:21:24,479 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 3: years earlier. Let's bring this together in a little case study. 340 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: So in the last topic, we had a case study 341 00:21:31,439 --> 00:21:34,999 Speaker 3: of Gregory the seventh Pope and Henry the fourth Holy 342 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,279 Speaker 3: Roman Emperor. Let's look at another case study, and it 343 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: again has the same topic. The clash is this question 344 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,599 Speaker 3: of the king as a religious ruler. 345 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: Now pay attention to that phrase. 346 00:21:47,879 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: The king as a religious ruler and the pope as 347 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: a secular ruler. Nothing new here. Constantine thought he was 348 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,559 Speaker 3: a religious ruler. Justinian thought he was a theocrat, a 349 00:22:01,719 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 3: theocratic king. Moving forward in time, Louis the fourteenth is 350 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: going to say he's a divine right king and the 351 00:22:09,879 --> 00:22:13,759 Speaker 3: Pope as a secular ruler, because Constantine had given the 352 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: Bishop of rome Land and then Peppin and the seven 353 00:22:16,679 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: hundreds had given the Bishop of rome Land. And we 354 00:22:19,479 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 3: talked about the question at the very end of the 355 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,039 Speaker 3: last topic. We talked about the question of whether this 356 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,279 Speaker 3: power in this land, what did that do to the 357 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 3: spiritual or moral authority? And some people saw it very 358 00:22:31,439 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: much as a corruption. And so some people say this 359 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: incidence that I'm going to talk about now is not 360 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 3: the high point but the low point of papal claims 361 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: to be emperor of the world, as some people said, 362 00:22:44,439 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: innocent the third claimed around twelve hundred. 363 00:22:47,959 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 2: Who's higher? Who can depose whom? Who? 364 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 3: Says French example, a pope by the name of Boniface 365 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: the eighth, known as a very political man who likely 366 00:23:01,159 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: engineered the abdication of the prior pope by the name 367 00:23:05,199 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 3: of Celestine. 368 00:23:07,159 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: And a French king, powerful French king fill up the 369 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,799 Speaker 2: fourth in the sources. 370 00:23:12,879 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: In the French sources, he's Philippe LaBelle Fillip, the fair, 371 00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: same guy, Phillip the fourth, Philipe. 372 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: Levelle Phillip the fair long rain. 373 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,279 Speaker 3: We're talking about thirteen hundred, and the issue is taxation 374 00:23:25,439 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: without permission. The tradition was that if the French king 375 00:23:29,439 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: wants to tax the clergy, he must ask the pope 376 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,039 Speaker 3: for permission. 377 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: Philip says, I don't have time for. 378 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: That, a I need money, and be quite frankly, I 379 00:23:38,679 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: don't have to ask him for permission because I'm the king. 380 00:23:43,399 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: They're subject to me as frenchmen. I'm going to tax them. 381 00:23:47,879 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: Boniface goes crazy over this and to say to show 382 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: that no, in fact, you are not in charge of 383 00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: the church, even though it's in French territory. He reaches 384 00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: into French territory, he reaches his religious authority in and 385 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: he creates a new diocese, and he names a new 386 00:24:06,639 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: bishop without asking the king's permission. So again, this is 387 00:24:13,879 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: a battle royal like Gregory the seventh and Henry the fourth, 388 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: and it has to do with ultimate authority, not unlike 389 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 3: the investiture controversy, temporal power and spiritual power. Boniface is 390 00:24:29,639 --> 00:24:33,039 Speaker 3: so strong in his claims that he puts out a 391 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 3: document that's called unam sanctam. Church documents are named after 392 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:40,559 Speaker 3: the first couple of words. Sometimes it's an indication of 393 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: what the document is about. Sometimes it's not. In this case, 394 00:24:43,879 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: he's talking about unam sanctum one Holy and Apostolic Church. 395 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: There is one and one only, and that. 396 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: Church is the highest authority in heaven and on earth. 397 00:24:56,719 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: And therefore everyone on earth, if he wants to get 398 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: to Heaven, must absolutely, at all places and at all times, 399 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: acknowledge the ultimate authority on Heaven, in heaven and on earth, 400 00:25:09,959 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: of the pope, including a king. There is no way 401 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: Philip is going to stand for this. He sends his 402 00:25:17,479 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 3: men to chase Boniface. Boniface leaves Rome and he takes 403 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 3: refuge in a castle at a place called Ayani, and 404 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,279 Speaker 3: something occurs called the Insult at Ayani. The forces are 405 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: coming in. Boniface is abandoned by his own people. He says, 406 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: the only safety I have right now is to sit 407 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 3: down and to dress myself in my full robes, wearing 408 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: the chasible, wearing the crown, the miter, the fancy triple crown, 409 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: wearing my ring, having my crozier. 410 00:25:47,959 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: They'll never do anything. 411 00:25:49,159 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: They burst through the door, and we're not quite sure 412 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: what happens. We know that they verbally abuse him, they 413 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: insult him. Did they physically abuse him? Did they strike him? 414 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: We're not quite sure, but what we do know is 415 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 3: that Boniface dies of the shock a few years later 416 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: because they had taken possession of him, basically taken im prisoner, 417 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: and for the next seventy five years, the papacy will 418 00:26:12,959 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: be in Avenue. 419 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this episode of Half Hour History, 420 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: Secrets of the Medieval World. 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