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Speaker 2: Well I can't drink, guys. Oh well, well it's probalypos.

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Speaker 2: It's just clear, although it was a clear liquid, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: True. Well, guys, I guess we already got started for

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Speaker 1: a second. But here we are another episode of two

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Speaker 2: You did an amazing job. Even though I didn't listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Thank you. Well, I'm just so glad you

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Speaker 2: For sure, I think postponing it would be the best

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Speaker 1: My advice would just be listen. There's nothing that you

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Speaker 1: and I can't be a part of it. I love you,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, right now, my life has been so busy, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that's exactly it. I'm I'm a yes person. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I used to be a people pleaser, and no has

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Speaker 1: You know, no, no, what now we're topless in the

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Speaker 1: It's seven dollars for the bundle and joint.

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Speaker 2: Listen, can we make it a little bit more money

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Speaker 1: Can you splurge, splurge, splurge on the seven bucks?

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Speaker 1: the reunion and I call this reunion the Real Housewives

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Speaker 2: That's actually the new studios by Amazon. So they're virtual

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Speaker 2: was very distracting though you'd be sitting there talking you

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Speaker 3: But so cool.

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Speaker 2: I suspect we're going to see more of those, because

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Speaker 1: Looks really good. Is that at the same location that

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Speaker 2: There's I think they're owned by Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, at this point, Tam, me and Cynthia are

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it starts off with Heather's as I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at my rundown and like you're in every

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Speaker 3: Well? I think you know, when you are not asked

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Speaker 3: I said that you didn't get to come back in

438
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 3: the first place. Now you're back. Now you got to

439
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: find your place and you got you also have to

440
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: come in hot, and you have to like prove that hey,

441
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 3: I'm an asset to the show. And then you got

442
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: to figure out how your friends are. You and Shannon,

443
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 3: we're going through y'all stuff. So that was like real

444
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: because that feels like your real, real friend on the

445
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 3: show to me. And I felt like you had to

446
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: juggle with a lot, and then you were sharing about

447
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 3: your dog and the gem and it was just a

448
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: lot going on. I felt like just watching it, you

449
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: were a little defensive and just kind of like focused

450
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: on I'm gonna get my ass back on the show

451
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: and stay on your well you don't want to, and

452
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 3: you didn't really show balance of you going through all

453
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: that other stuff. I didn't really see play out on

454
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: the show. So I could be like, Okay, she's going

455
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 3: through stuff, but she hasked to like she most secured

456
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: this job that she wants back.

457
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think coming back when it comes to

458
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 2: Heather her doing her podcast in saying you know there's

459
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: no place for me, and then her she also said

460
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I get it, she's trying to

461
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: stay relevant. I get it, she's trying to make a brand,

462
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: which I've been on TV for many years. I already

463
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: have a brand. A lot of things were said, and

464
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: I went back questioning like, is she really my friend?

465
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: I was told by multiple cast members that when she

466
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: came back, she said a lot of negative things about me,

467
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: So then of course I'm gonna question, like are we

468
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: not friends like we? I thought we were really good friends.

469
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of questions in my head,

470
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: like who is she?

471
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: What does she? Does she not like me?

472
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: Does she like me? And I just went back or whatever.

473
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well to your point, Tam, because even thinking about

474
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 3: you know, someone I'm not on the show. So even when,

475
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: like my castmates say, when people ask them, oh, who's

476
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: your ideal? You know six people that you would want

477
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: on a show like every time, and I'm not really

478
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: interested in being a part of the show. But it

479
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 3: still still feels nice to still be on the list

480
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: to me, Yeah, especially after eleven years of being on

481
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: the show, because you know, you know, they didn't keep

482
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: you on there all that time for nothing that you

483
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: contributed to the show.

484
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: But it is, it is.

485
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: It hurts your feelings.

486
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: It's a flat on the face when they don't say how.

487
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: In Howther's defense, we did have this conversation and she said,

488
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, me and Alexis are going through some similar

489
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: situations right now, and that's why she said her it

490
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: would be nice to have somebody that can relate to

491
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: what she's going through.

492
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think in those situations what I

493
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: do because people people always ask me like, who do

494
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 3: you think you know? When I was on the show,

495
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: who do you think you come back? Who do you think?

496
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: I hate that question.

497
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: I hate it so much. I always look at it like,

498
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: even if I'm not friends with you on the show,

499
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: I know this is your job. I don't want to

500
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: be the cause of anyone losing her job. Like I

501
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: was like, you guys don't right for the show anymore. Fine,

502
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: But I would never open up my mouth and say

503
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't feel like this one should come back, and

504
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 3: that when she come back and this one didn't bring anything.

505
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: I would never never do that, and I always don't

506
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: like it when I see other people do it, because.

507
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think this is a good this is

508
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: a good point, which brings me to listen. I think

509
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: that Heather had an excellent reunion. I thought she I

510
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: thought she was well spoken, I thought she was funny.

511
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: I thought she had some good comments. I loved the

512
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: dynamic between her and camera. I loved that she riled

513
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Emily up and Emily was like lost or cool. Like

514
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: all the things as the viewer were great, But the

515
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: one thing that really resonated with me was all of

516
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: the side conversation about the things that Heather said. Sounds

517
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: to me like she thinks she's producing the show, and

518
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: that's what bothered me, Like all the things that all

519
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: the women actually seem upset about, which like even the

520
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: comment between Emily and Gina shouldn't be so close or

521
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: this person or I can't do the show with this

522
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: loser or whatever it is. Like it seems to me

523
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: she's trying to do all of these things off camera

524
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: to try to make the show better. But like, you

525
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: don't have a producer credit and it's not your place

526
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: to coach the other women on how to be better housewives,

527
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: and that's not going to be received well if you've

528
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: actually been on the show. And I personally have been

529
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: coached on how to be a better housewife and you see, oh,

530
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: well that turned out right.

531
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, like with all the stuff that

532
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: happens off the camera and then what happens on the camera.

533
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: This is why I love breaking the fourth wall. I

534
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: just think it's so necessary because there's so much stuff

535
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: that can't be explained if it didn't happen off camera

536
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: unless you unless you break the fourth wall. So I

537
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: just felt like watching Heather like we've all been there.

538
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: You know how many side conversations I've had with cast

539
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: members about like other cast members, like as soon as

540
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: we start filming, the phone starts ringing, honey, how it happened?

541
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: What do you think about this? I heard this, bring

542
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: this up on camera. I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna

543
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: go there. Like it's just the way the show works.

544
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: It's the nature of the business.

545
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: Totally one. But I think if you get hawk ye

546
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: than that are hell to the fire. You know, that

547
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: is when you just have to just take on the

548
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 3: shit and be like, look, you know what, I was

549
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: talking to all kinds of shit about this girl off camera.

550
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: She's not my kind of girl or whatever, because the

551
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: reality is, you know, there are organic relationships that happen

552
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: on the show. But for the most part, a lot

553
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: of you guys, I'll put together, I don't know that happened.

554
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: The people I was on the show with, I would

555
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: have organically been friends with them, had enough been on

556
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: the show with them. So it's what it is. So

557
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: with that said, I think that once it just seemed

558
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: like hew, they just kept you know, because she was like, oh,

559
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: I said it, but that wasn't my attention or I didn't.

560
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to said that.

561
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Web.

562
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, Okay, been there, done it, get it,

563
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: but you still except on it. Look, I said it.

564
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: It was horrible.

565
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: I said it. I take it back, I'm sorry, and

566
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: just move on instead of all this, well you know

567
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: this then and the other. I think at some point

568
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: you's got to be like I got caught. Let me

569
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: just go ahead and.

570
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we everybody talked about. And also it goes

571
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: like this, you may talk shit about somebody six months

572
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: ago and then your relationship has totally changed and now

573
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: they're one of your close friends. That when you have that,

574
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I do believe that there is like a sisterhood. Yeah,

575
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: this like it doesn't matter how much time has passed

576
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: like even today, I sent Durit a text message. I'm like,

577
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: I need to know for Bravo con if this is

578
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: actually your list of people you chose as DUI's sheakhest Housewives,

579
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: cause I'm I'm I'm really I'm really.

580
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: Really confused on this one.

581
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: And she responded back in like three minutes. You know,

582
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: like there's always that comment like commonality where like they're

583
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: you're always going to have that relationship. But let's let's

584
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: let's move on to how Bryan was invited to the

585
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: reunion to come share his side of the story but decline.

586
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: Jen says that if Ryan were there to defend himself

587
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: to Tamra, he would just come across as an asshole.

588
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: Tamra says things shifted when Ryan cheated on Gins. Jen

589
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: calls Tamera a piece of ship friend. Tamra said, you're

590
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, you cheater. And then do we

591
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: think Ryan should have come on and had a conversation

592
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: with Tamra at the reunion or not?

593
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you guys got to know we made

594
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: up at the season finale. We were good, Everything was fine, okay,

595
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: So if he would have come on and explained himself.

596
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: I had no intentions of attacking him or questioning him.

597
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: I said what I said. What I said was one

598
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: hundred percent the truth, one hundred percent.

599
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Why would Ryan come on to the reunion when he

600
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: can just comment continuously post the reunion on Instagram for

601
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: present engagement, and go on all these podcasts and try

602
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: to paint everybody in a certain light because the way

603
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: that I felt watching the reunion, and granted I still

604
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: don't one hundred percent get why any of y'all care

605
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: that Ryan's a cheater and Jens choosing to be with him,

606
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: because I think that's on her.

607
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: I would care if your husband was cheating on you

608
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: or Cynthia's husband was cheating on him on her, like

609
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: if you're constantly cheating, Like would you guys want me

610
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: to just go, oh, okay, that's good, But you wouldn't be.

611
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: Mad at me for it?

612
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 2: Would I wasn't mad at her for him cheating on her.

613
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. I was mad because of the lies. She

614
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: knew exactly what went down. We had conversations about what

615
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: went down. My advice to her when she joined the

616
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: show was there's a lot of stuff out there. Be honest,

617
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: and then Emily and Gina started bringing up her cheating

618
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: on her husband. I never brought that up. That never

619
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: came out of my mouth. That was Emily and Gina

620
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: and I set her down on camera. They didn't show it,

621
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: and I said, this is before the cup Fitness probably said,

622
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: my advice to you is to be honest, because if

623
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: you're gonna lie and say it didn't happen and make

624
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: up all these lives we've seen Star her story changes constantly,

625
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna look like you're gonna look bad.

626
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: Just own it.

627
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: But the problem is she ends up looking good because

628
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: it looks like all of you guys are invested.

629
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that everybody believes her story.

630
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anyone believes her story, but I

631
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: do think that because of the fact that it looks

632
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: like everybody's so invested and.

633
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: She should be thanking us, she actually had a season.

634
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, but my question is, you guys are all on.

635
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: You're on her ass about not being one hundred percent

636
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: authentic about her relationship with Ryan. That being said, I

637
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: just have to ask. I know it was touched on

638
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: at the Union, but I need more information. Why weren't

639
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: you on Shannon's ass about John Jansen.

640
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: I think what happened was is when I came back

641
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: to the show, I had not been around John and

642
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: Shannon for two and a half years. I did not

643
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: know what the state of their relationship was at that time,

644
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: and so when you see me, they do a flashback,

645
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: which was a very unfair flashback was I was not

646
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: talking to the women of about her relationship. I was

647
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: as before me and Shannon even made up. I was

648
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: talking to Eddie two and a half years ago. The

649
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: relationship was not doing well. There was a lot of

650
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: fighting going on.

651
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Now.

652
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: She did not open up to me. She told me

653
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: why we were filming, that everything was good. I went

654
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: to one dinner, two dinners with them as a couple.

655
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: They seemed in love. He talked about wanting to get married.

656
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: That's all I had to go on.

657
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: That's it.

658
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Well, it seemed like for us, like watching the show,

659
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: it seemed like number one, like they kept, you know,

660
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: telling us that you and Jen were friends. But it

661
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: felt like on one hand, you were coming out of

662
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: concern about her relationship, and then it felt like you

663
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: just wouldn't let it go, and then it turned in

664
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: like it felt like you were angry at her. And

665
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: one of the things I always ask my friends in relationships,

666
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: you know, hey, if I see your man doing something

667
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 3: inappropriate or something and looks inappropriate, or I see him

668
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: with another woman and it feels like it doesn't feel right,

669
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: are you the kind of friend? Do you want me

670
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: to tell you? And I always ask that question because hey,

671
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: number one, everyone doesn't want to know everyone to keep

672
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: really good point, I'm the kind of person tell me,

673
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: tell me even think, and I will deal with it.

674
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to throw you under the bus.

675
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the information and do what i

676
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: need to do with it.

677
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: So what if they tell you yes, I want you to.

678
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Tell me yes. And then when you tell then when

679
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: they when you tell them, they go after you as

680
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: a liar, Well then that's not right. It's okay, Well

681
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: they're my prop That's exactly what happened.

682
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Well, I think also, I was talking to Emily about this,

683
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: and I hope I'm not throwing you under the bus, Emily,

684
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: but I was asking, truthfully, like, explain to me what

685
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: this obsession is between Ryan and Jen and all of it.

686
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: And I'm just I don't I don't care like, I,

687
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: as an outsider, I don't care what he's doing. She

688
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: wants to pretend it's not happening. No skin off anybody

689
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: else's They're not hurting you guys. And she said, I

690
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: think the problem is that he had never even met

691
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: her mother or anything until they started filming, and everybody

692
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: felt like this new found serious love towards her is

693
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: directly correlated to the filming schedule. Yep. And so I

694
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: think that's what's not being shown. And so because we're

695
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: not seeing that, we're not getting it, like we're assuming

696
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: people have embarrass people cheat, people like she Jen said

697
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: she didn't sleep in the same room with her husband

698
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: for two years. You know what, if I didn't sleep

699
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: in the same bed as my husband for two years,

700
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I probably would leave him as well. And I don't

701
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: know who i'd leave him for. That being said, when

702
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: you add the level of fame to a relationship at

703
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: the beginning of it, when it starts out toxic, it's

704
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: not great.

705
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: No, But I love loved because I wanted Gen to

706
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: say this all season. I love that she finally was like,

707
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: if this is my shit, Sam whatever, she said, let

708
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: me eat it, And I was like, please, and at

709
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: a side of fries and watch it down with a

710
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: gender like I honestly feel like once, as her friend, Tim,

711
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: your only job to meet was to give her this

712
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: information coming from your heart, and what she decided to

713
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: do with it was on her and it just felt like,

714
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, they just didn't show a lot of it,

715
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: the other ladies bringing it up time after time. It

716
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: just felt like you were really on her ass about

717
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: it a lot on the season that I want.

718
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know, and I regret it it. You know,

719
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: it took me back to a time in our friendship,

720
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: like when you talk about anger like I was mad.

721
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: I was mad.

722
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: I was totally mad. We had a friendship because she

723
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: came to my gym.

724
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: If you think she came to your gym because she

725
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you because you were on the show.

726
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked Jen on the show. I actually liked

727
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: this entire cast.

728
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: To be honest.

729
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this show is great.

730
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like she was a good fit

731
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: in a way because she wasn't a good fit and

732
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: it kind of made her a good Yeah.

733
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: No, I think she's I think she's great for the

734
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: show now. So back then she came because I did

735
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: a fitness competition. She wanted to do one, so we

736
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: trained her. I got to know her through the gym,

737
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: and then we went like we hung out a few times,

738
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: like we got closed. She came over to my mom's

739
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: seventieth birthday in October with her husband, you know, but

740
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: there was some issues after the Ryan stuff started, and

741
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: there was some old on.

742
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: I have a question. Sorry, I have to interrupt. Why

743
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: were you on a trip with Ryan and Cabo? Yea,

744
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: So we were.

745
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: So Ryan was going to our gym. We had no

746
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: idea that he was fooling around with Jen at this so.

747
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: They both were going.

748
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: So mind you, Jen and her husband were just at

749
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: my house right seventieth birthday Okay, Okay, So.

750
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: You and Jen were close when she was still with

751
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: our ex, not when she got with Ryan.

752
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: When she got with Ryan, things went sideways. Okay, ok

753
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: That's what happened, and then we didn't we we didn't.

754
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: There was no big blow up. There was a lot

755
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: of I'm so sorry, Tamer that happened at your gym. Like,

756
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: there was a lot of that going on, but I

757
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: had to put some distance. He was going to Cabo

758
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: and he had some Heather was going. Another one of

759
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: his friends was going, and he said to Eddie, Hey,

760
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: you want to go to Cabo. He had this free

761
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: private jet that was going out there. It wasn't his,

762
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: it was going out there to pick somebody up, you know.

763
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: And we flew commercial home and Eddie's like, I don't.

764
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Know, you know.

765
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: And Eddie had broke his arm. He was in a cast.

766
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: It was, you know, a year or two into the pandemic,

767
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: and Jen is not there. Jen is not there, No,

768
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: and so we Eddie decides it was he decided. He's like, yeah,

769
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: we'll go. And I'm like, really, because I thought for

770
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: a million years he'd say no because we didn't really

771
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: know him that well. Very superficial. So we go and

772
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: we're sitting out by the pool.

773
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: Had you been fired yet? Yeah?

774
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: I was during the pandemic. Yeah, I was on the show.

775
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: So he sat at the end of his chair and

776
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: he started crying and he said, there's something I have

777
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: to tell you, And I said what. He's like, I've

778
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: been having an affair with Jennifer and I always called

779
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: her Gen, so I didn't know who was talking about.

780
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: I go who, He goes Jennifer PACHANKI, I go, she's married.

781
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, her husband found us, you know, I go,

782
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: just Will know. Yeah, her husband found us in the

783
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: car talking. And you never said that they had sex

784
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: in the car. She said that, which is very telling.

785
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: She said that I never said they were having sex

786
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: in my car. This is I'm just repeating what Ryan said.

787
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: He found us in the car.

788
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: She said.

789
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: At one point he was giving me. Yes, Will did

790
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: find us in the car. He was giving Ryan was

791
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: giving me a gift, is what she said. If you

792
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: go back to another episode. And at that point, Eddie

793
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: and I went up to our room, I go, do

794
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: not post any pictures, because if Will knows, and Will

795
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: knows that we are with Ryan, this just looks.

796
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: Bad for us. This all makes a lot of more sense. Yeah,

797
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: so I thought you guys were friends with Ryan and Jen,

798
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: and then you found out about Ryan and Jen with

799
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: him cheating on her with whoever. No, and that's why

800
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: you were this upset.

801
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that you know we were best

802
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: friends with Will. No, we weren't best friends with Will

803
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: our Jen.

804
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: You know.

805
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: It was like, hey, we're having a party, you want

806
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: to come over. Trained Will had sent me a message

807
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: after her fitness competition, which she won. She crushed it.

808
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: She did an amazing job. She put the work in

809
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: and he said, thank you so much for being a

810
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: good friend to Jen. I'm like, yeah, no problem, Like

811
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: it was, that's all.

812
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 3: It was like you guys, now you and you has

813
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: friends or not.

814
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we ended the reunion and you know,

815
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: if you watch the peacock version and very so much

816
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: better guys at the end of it, and I've just

817
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: sent this clip, I you know, sit there and I

818
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: talk to her and I tell her, you know, I

819
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: hope we can move forward. Let's go to dinner, you know.

820
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Evidently in a message on social media, she put on

821
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: that I was crying. She told one of my cast members,

822
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: I was hysterically crying, saying I was sorry, I wanted

823
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: to fix this. Never happened. That never hapt crying.

824
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: That you were never hysterically crying. But they did show

825
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: you when you guys, which I actually hate, and all reunions,

826
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I do when they ask everybody like their

827
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: favorite part of what they're looking forward to the most

828
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: about next year? Right? Could she potentially be talking about

829
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: the point when you start kind of like cheering up

830
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: and you're saying you're looking forward to building a better.

831
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she said. At the end of the reunion,

832
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: I came up to her and I know what she's

833
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: talking about. We were outside. They showed it on the

834
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Peacock version. I invited her to dinner. I said, I

835
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: hope that we can put this past us. But she

836
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: went out there and made this whole, you know, exaggerated story,

837
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: and it's wish. She does a lot, So I tried

838
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: my best. I reached out to her after the reunion.

839
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: We had a couple of little small talks and I said, hey, listen,

840
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: my glam team is setting up a room at Bravocan.

841
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: You know, do you want to get in on this.

842
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: You have used both of them or one of them before, Like,

843
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: is this something you want to do? And I never

844
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: heard back from her. And then shortly after that I

845
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: went to Film Traders and then I got home to

846
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: a total shit storm where they were both going after me,

847
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: my husband, my son, like all this stuff, and I'm like,

848
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: this is the reamin hadn't even aired. This was like

849
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: they started this after the season finale where we were

850
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: good at the season finale.

851
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: I think she's leading the charge.

852
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope it's him not her.

853
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: What do you think, Cynthia, I mean, I don't know, Jim.

854
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: From what I saw from the show, she didn't seem

855
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 3: she seemed kind of passive to me. I just don't

856
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: see her like all of a sudden kicking into like

857
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: this whole.

858
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, this personally like this.

859
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: And as far as her like coming onto the show.

860
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: When braun Win was cast on the show, they you know,

861
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: they often do like if you own a business, is

862
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: there any girls at your business that you think would

863
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: be good for the show. So this was five years,

864
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: I don't know how many years ago. So I had

865
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: given her name along with I think Tatiana's name, who

866
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: hangs out with Gina all the time, and a few

867
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: other girls, And so they interviewed her and she didn't

868
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: make it. Then you know, I got a text message

869
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: from her and we we weren't, like I said, there

870
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: was no huge blow up. We didn't hate each other.

871
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: We just kind of grown apart and I didn't really

872
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: want to be around that whole ship storm that she

873
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: was going through.

874
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: And she was had a relationship like t him when

875
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: you were off the show. Well, no, Jin just got

876
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: on the show. But were you and Jin still friends

877
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: like when you were off and she wasn't even on

878
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: the show, Like what is that like? What was that like?

879
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Oh prior like the year prior to her getting Yeah,

880
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: when we were not that close at that point. She

881
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: was not coming to the gym.

882
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't.

883
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean it'd probably been much since I had seen her.

884
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: We I think there was like a farewell dinner for

885
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: one of our our members at our gym, and she

886
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: showed up and I hadn't seen her for a long time. Hey,

887
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: how you doing whatever? And it was very superficial and.

888
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: You guys were growing a friendship this It wasn't like

889
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: you guys were these best of friends and.

890
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we were better friends before when she

891
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: was married.

892
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: So so basically she had texted me. I remember I

893
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: was sitting in the parking lot dropped my daughter off

894
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: at work one day and she said, Hey, can you

895
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: call me? The producers have reached out to me. And

896
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: I had been reached out at that point as well,

897
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: and so she called me and I said, so what's

898
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: going on. She's like, yeah, they reached out they you know,

899
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: they want me to try out for the show. And

900
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, cool like that do you want to do?

901
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Do it?

902
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to stop you. And I said, well,

903
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: you know Eddie knows Ryan, and you know you've worked

904
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: out at my gym. So there is some you know,

905
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: natural organic friendship there, if you want to call it that.

906
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: And so that was it.

907
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: That's the conversation. And then she would call me randomly

908
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: and say have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?

909
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I haven't heard anything. So it

910
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: wasn't me trying to get her on the show. I

911
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: wasn't calling production going you have to get this girl

912
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: on the show and nothing like that. I didn't even

913
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: I didn't even know if I was coming back.

914
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: Right right right.

915
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Well. One of one of my favorite parts is when

916
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: you said one of my favorite lines, which is when

917
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: you say Texas.

918
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: And texts text. I was like, that's my girl, Tam.

919
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: She's like, I selling the Texas. I was like, damn,

920
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: we have talked about it. It is texts.

921
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that I normally say that an everyday

922
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: thing because you you always say it Texas.

923
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: You'll say like text like it's texts. Yeah, no, you

924
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: said Texas, And I was like, oh my gosh, but

925
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: I start I realized, well, you.

926
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: Know, I don't really know the English language. Though that's

927
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: not no big.

928
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: Well me neither. But as we conclude episode one of this,

929
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: what do we think there's anything else? Like we definitely,

930
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean there was a lot of Ryan and Jen stuff.

931
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: I feel like we got to just keep it moving

932
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: it is.

933
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go backwards on this, like I

934
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: haven't said anything I haven't said on the show already.

935
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I know that he's attacking me Eddie and doing all

936
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: this stuff. I'm not going to even comment on that, Like,

937
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: let him do his thing. He had his opportunity to

938
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: come to the reunion.

939
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: Well how did you feel when Andy brings up how

940
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: you said that Heather has not worked since the late

941
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, and then Heather says to you, can you

942
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: imagine if I said to you, only nine years at

943
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: the gym, it's not equinox, how much money did you lose?

944
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Like you handled it way better than I for sure

945
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: would have, Like, don't you think Cynthia?

946
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: Like I was like, like, first of all, first of all,

947
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing about the nineteen hundreds was twisted to

948
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: the point of no return that never happened. Did I say,

949
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 2: did I say nine hundreds? I did, but I didn't

950
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: say in that context basically was happening.

951
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: It's like Texas, Yeah, it was, No, it was.

952
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: It was one of these things where Taylor wanted me

953
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: to pull it up and so because her scream was broken,

954
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: so I'm like here, and it was never done in

955
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: like a malicious way on my part, and there was

956
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: so much conversation that wasn't aired. She did all these

957
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: and I thought it was impressive. I didn't think that

958
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: it was belittling her career whatsoever. So when I said

959
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: nineteen nine nine, ninety ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight,

960
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 2: and I said nineteen hundreds, at one point didn't even

961
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: know I said it, did not even know I said

962
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: it until the producer told me. And so then it

963
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: was like we started laughing because I said it not

964
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: at her career, but the fact that I said it,

965
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: that was it. Yeah, it was barely It was really

966
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: hard for me to explain that without breaking the fourth

967
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: wall or you know what I mean.

968
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: On the show.

969
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely made it in a moment that was

970
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: bigger than probably what it was.

971
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: It was a moment that wasn't a moment.

972
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but last it took close out episode one.

973
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: At last year's reunion, Shannon told Gina that she would

974
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: never bring up the dui ever again. Shannon says she

975
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: does not remember bringing it up. She was drunk and

976
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: mad at Gina. Gina asked Shannon what her children's names are.

977
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Shannon says Sianna and can't remember the others. Gina says,

978
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: you've known me for six years and you don't even

979
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: know their names. Gina says that Shannon is worried about

980
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: everyone else talking about her own relationships, so she decided

981
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: to make things up about her children. Slash cps. Should

982
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: Shannon be able to name all of Gina's kids and

983
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: is blaming alcohol a poor way out of apologizing.

984
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: Listen, Gina has been on the show for five years.

985
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: I've met her kids once, maybe twice. I don't have

986
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: little kids, so it's not like you know Emily where

987
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: their kids will pare?

988
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean, tamer what are my kids' names?

989
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Let me think now? Hold on cruise slid duff Bella.

990
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't have one what's my daughter's name?

991
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: Noela?

992
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: Noela.

993
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's one of those sorry loser Noel.

994
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things like, you know, if

995
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: you're not hanging out with those kids and you're not

996
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: around them all the time, and if you don't have

997
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: a good memory, like I could see her not knowing

998
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: and then being put on the spot.

999
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: Do you think Shannon knows your kids names?

1000
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: I would hope, so, I would hope.

1001
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: So how many kids does Gina have?

1002
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: Three?

1003
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 3: She has three small kids.

1004
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: They're all small kids. But you know, in Shannon's defense,

1005
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: like she probably would have said it to me, I

1006
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: would probably would have clammed up because I don't know

1007
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: her children like that. Yeah, but also I I don't know,

1008
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: I felt like at this point, but it was a

1009
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: good move on Gena's part. It was an excellent Gina

1010
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: must have been starving because she freaking ate Shannon up a. Yeah,

1011
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: that was a great move on the chess board for

1012
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: her because yeah, it was my chest mate. I mean,

1013
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: Andy's face said it all.

1014
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of where I don't know,

1015
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: but we've all been to a place like I know

1016
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: I have. I've seen Tam or do it. I don't

1017
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: know if you have, Cynthia, but at some point we've

1018
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: blamed alcohol for our behavior. But when it becomes a

1019
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: repetitive excuse, yeah, that's where it becomes a problem. Like

1020
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: I still remember in Provence when I was a complete

1021
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: asshole and said shit about Erica and the next day

1022
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I said to her, like, holy shit, I drank so much.

1023
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't even remember last night. No one will even

1024
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: tell me what I said, but I know I hurt

1025
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: your feelings.

1026
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: But like if I said that, every week, yeah, you

1027
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: basically get like two drinking passes per season, and then

1028
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: after that they paint you to be an alcoholic pretty much.

1029
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: If you're going to it, that's our show.

1030
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think episode one was super juicy.

1031
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: I appreciated everybody's effort. I also just had one final question.

1032
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Why was Heather allowed to wear black?

1033
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1034
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: It's funny because when she she wears black any chance

1035
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: she can, it's her color. But when she walked out,

1036
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: Andy goes Heather black like that, like really, so what

1037
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: she wanted to wear and she.

1038
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: Got to wear it? Well, I do know that, like

1039
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to these things, you send pictures in advance.

1040
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: It's not like it's just willing Milly.

1041
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: Like you're you're saying, but if you want to be

1042
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: forceful and say this what I'm wearing, they're they're gonna

1043
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: say okay.

1044
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: In a shocking turn of events, I never did that.

1045
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, she looked great. I thought it was a

1046
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: beautiful dress. Yeah, it totally f fit the beach vibe.

1047
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: So no, she looked amazing.

1048
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: No, everybody. I thought everybody looked beautiful. Yeah I didn't

1049
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: look great.

1050
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: I didn't love Jen and Gina's dress that I didn't

1051
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: like their dresses that much, but I thought they looked great.

1052
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: But apes are hard to pull off in general, especially

1053
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: if you're my height. M Okay, but I did.

1054
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this stammer because on this podcast

1055
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: with you thought you looked really great. I thought it

1056
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 3: looked amazing, and I definitely thought I thought Emily looked great.

1057
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, she looks really good.

1058
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: And Shannon's look surprised me, but I was fine with Like,

1059
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: I just I don't know what I was expecting.

1060
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: From her, but I was like, oh, who Shannon Jane.

1061
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 3: No, Shannon Eric Jane, I get it. I get it. Yeah,

1062
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: this is fine.

1063
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she took a chance. You know, that's

1064
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: what fashion is all about, right, I love it. It

1065
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: probably wasn't the best, but it wasn't the worst.

1066
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: It was like the one time I took a chance

1067
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: and wore a red lip. I still regret it to

1068
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: this day. All Right.

1069
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: I've taken lots of chances, and.

1070
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: Don't don't start pulling on my reunion pictures. I mean,

1071
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: I got it right a lot, but one or two

1072
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 3: times I got it wrong are the ones.

1073
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's so difficult. It's like when

1074
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: you're told you have like three weeks to find this

1075
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: dress in a certain color. It's like, you know, we frantic,

1076
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: and then we'd start looking and it's like, oh my god,

1077
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: I can't find it.

1078
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: Can't find it. Plus there's only like six places all

1079
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: of us shop from it. And then you wear it

1080
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, somebody else has already done.

1081
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: Then you submit it and they're like, no, somebody else

1082
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 2: already submitted that dress off or Revolve.

1083
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: And then the worst when you try to get something

1084
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: custom and it just looks a hot miss.

1085
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: I will never do that, never in my life. I'm

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Speaker 1: not tall, so there's no need for customs.

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Speaker 3: I've seen some beds.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, be back to drop the episode

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Speaker 1: for episode two of Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion