WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Bootsy Collins (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.159 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:08.480 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.920 Previously on k l S Classic with Booty Collins, he 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.279 told us about growing up in Cincinnati, Ohio, me and 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.240 his idol James Brown, and James Brown taking him under 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.720 his wing, taking him all the way to Africa to 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.200 see failer, and then coming back to build the p 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.360 Funk Empire. You do not want to miss part two 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.880 of the Bootsy Column episode q LS y'all q LS 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:41.800 Classic to be a matter of fact, Okay, what are 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.080 we gonna do now? You know, because I knew that 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:51.559 was it. You know, it's like, we gotta go. So 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.760 we're sitting on the bus, we all the whole band 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.440 sitting on the bus, you know, looking at each other 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:06.680 on trailway, I know, with trail trailway bus man, and 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.840 you know, we're looking at each other. And then they're 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.759 looking at me like, okay, well we're gonna do now. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:19.720 Since you went in there and you know you and 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.200 and so you know, that was whin me out. I 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.320 started feeling like, dag, what are we gonna do? So 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.200 the next thing came to my mind is you're gonna 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.679 go to Cincinnati. You're gonna practice, You're gonna get in 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.600 that basement, you're gonna practice, you're gonna get tight, and 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.720 you're gonna go to Detroit, you know, and see what happens. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.720 Because you know that's what we were into, taking people's gigs. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:48.200 You know, you may Motown could sign us. We actually, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.320 let me tell you why Detroit. Billy from the Spinner's 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:57.760 Call and asked, uh what told us that he needed 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.160 a band, and he also needed a lead singer. And 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.680 you know, Philip a Win which is feel so walker. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.800 He was singing with us before we got with James, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.760 after we got left James right after we got you know, left, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.600 and so um, we already had the lead singer. We 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.760 didn't know it, but I told him. I was like, Billy, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.359 we got the lead singer you need. Man, I said, well, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.919 we'll play behind y'all, you know, um, you know, but 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.000 but seriously, we did not want to play behind another 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.800 set of singers. If you know, if it killed us, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.880 you know, because you gotta understand the time that it 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.640 was coming through sliding them these bands was coming up. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.160 We wanted to be a band. Yeah, you know, we 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.520 wanted to dress crazy act of fool and and do 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.040 anything we wanted to do and singers wouldn't let us 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.919 do it. Yeah, yeah, and so we was really through 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.400 with that. So we we go to Detroit, you know, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:07.000 um on Billie's dime. And once we get to Detroit, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.760 we play and take a few gigs, right, we take 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.680 it to the stage, all right, take some gigs. And 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.119 when we did that this I met this uh young 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:23.840 lady named Mallia Franklin, and she was um tired with 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.840 with George Clinton, and because her sister was dating George, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.840 so she know him, and she wanted to take me 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.760 over the meeting because you know, y'all, y'all look just 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.760 like funk a delly, y'all sound like them. You know, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.880 y'all need to hook up. So she convinced me, and 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.040 I'm like, yeah, I gotta go meet this man. I said, yeah, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.720 we've been wanting to take it to the stage on 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:50.080 the mom because anyway, you know, you were you you 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.560 were fully aware of a by this point, not fully 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.480 we had just been hearing about him. You know. It's 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.960 like everywhere we went, it's like, man, y'all look like 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.520 fun doll y'all. So I like them. You know, so 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.960 everywhere we went it was like it followed us. It's 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:11.320 about what years this around, this is like seventy two. Yeah, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.680 and so um we heard that so much. You know. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.520 It's like then when we got to Detroit, you know, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.200 it was like, Okay, I need to meet George. You know, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.360 so Malia sets up the meeting. I go over there 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.560 get with George. You know, that's the whole story in itself, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:35.280 which is another three or four hours. You know, you 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.240 love it first night when you all first met each other. Yeah, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.440 basically basically, you know, I I knocked on the door, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:47.800 and the door kind of the creepy, the creepy thing 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.520 Adam family thing, So it kind of creeped open, and 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.520 uh I heard a voice say come on, come on there, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:01.080 and so I kinda walked walked in and I saw 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.480 this black light and I immediately it was like, oh, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.080 you know, I went straight to the black light. You know. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.880 Then I looked right down below it. This mug is 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:18.719 sitting in a Buddhist buddhistance right with with a sheet 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.520 white sheet on the picture. This in a black light, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:27.240 white sheet on't and chicken feet on now yell yellow 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:33.240 yellow chicken feet. Yeah, he's sitting there like this on 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:38.760 the floor like this, you know, and he's just sitting 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.640 there in the corner and he's got a half moon 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.880 on one side, star on the other. Rest of his 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.240 ball is here, and he is looking just as crazy 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.640 as I mean, you know, I mean, you know, And 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.200 when I seen it, it was like, whatever he's talking about, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.440 I won't end whatever it is. I mean, whatever he says. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.600 You know, I already know about the money thing, you know, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.440 and why you know, you know, I was not into that. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.839 I was in the if you just let me get 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.000 in I will I will produce, I will give it 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.040 to you. I lay it on you, you know. And 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.880 you know I didn't have to go through all that 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.320 with George. He was like, you know, you just come 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.839 on in here and help me with this Parliament, this 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.159 funk a dollic, these records I gotta do. Just come 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.840 on in here and do that. And and on down 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.159 the line. You know, I'll get you a deal, a 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.000 record deal, you in the band. It wasn't at that point, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.560 it wasn't about getting me a deal. It was about 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.359 getting the band, you know. And and he's the one Georgia, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.400 the one to talk me into doing the solo thing 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.839 because I wouldn't you know, I wasn't down with that. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.280 It was like, man, we're a band. I mean, you know, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.720 I had always been used to be in a band, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.279 and I never even entertained the idea of me doing so. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.960 I can't sing, Man, what what am I gonna do? 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.400 You know, that's what, That's exactly what he's there. I mean, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:13.440 you're the first larger than life character, like your persona 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:19.920 supersedes you're You're already powerful catalog and you know your 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.800 your name is associated with a lot of make a 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:29.720 ton of hits in the p funct uh you know, yeah, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:36.640 So how when how did he finally truly convince you 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.400 that this has to happen? And you know, you know what, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.760 he didn't have to convince me. I mean, um, he 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.360 already knew about us, you know, um from the James 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.000 Brown thing, So he he knew more about us than 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.480 I knew about him. You know, yeah, yeah, he knew. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:03.000 I mean, George's George's a silent genius. I mean that 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.679 mug is um. I can't say enough about him and 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:12.000 how he have moved through not only the music but 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:17.200 the business um, all of us could use a bit 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:23.320 more of what we're lacking. But him as a person, he, 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.640 you know, the thing that that messes us all up 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.960 is the flesh. If we didn't have flash, we'd be cool, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.760 We really, we'd be really cool because we wouldn't have 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 to take care of this, you know. Uh, and we 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:42.000 wouldn't be so addicted, you know, addictable, you know. And 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:46.400 so those are the things that called him, you know what. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.920 It catches not just him, he catches all of us, yeah, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.960 you know. And so but his mind was just so 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.120 I mean, he's the one that got me into reading 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.600 and being up on the mother ship and you know, clones. 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.040 And let me ask you, star wise at this point, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.040 where were you and how did you get there? From James? Right, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.640 because when you met George, I'm imagining that you was 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.640 already there. Okay, So how did stage? He was dressing 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.120 crazy on stage he had to suit and tie with James. Okay, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.040 and then George that you didn't influence James a little 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:27.080 bit because he started dressing you know, yeah, he got 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.679 black and eyes right. Well, actually that's what James named 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:37.800 us first, y'all was black and Eyes, the black Nisers Wow, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:39.920 that was you know, he named us that before the 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.120 j BS, we was the Black and Eyes and he 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.480 sent us out with I Haint Ballot, so it was 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.000 Hank the Ballot, Ballot, the Midnighters and the Black and 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.480 Niss band. So you guys are the band on that 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.720 record as well on the on the Hank Ballot record, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.280 which one now now the ones like like a round 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.079 in the twist time we wentn't no no no, I'm 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.640 talking about if you haven't cut your no no? That 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.400 was that was That was Macy on new from the 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.320 love side at least store there's I knew he had 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:19.960 one record out in seventy that was okay. So the 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:26.120 sound of p funk it's actually the opposite of James Brown. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:32.920 Yeah who So who's crafting the sound of it? And 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.000 was it that much of a science or was it 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.240 just whatever you felt? Let me let me tell you 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:45.480 exactly how it was. Everybody that was involved brought their 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:51.040 signature and was allowed to use it. In other words, 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.680 George gave me an opportunity to get in the studio 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.360 and find myself, you know. Um, and that is what 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.800 you know I didn't get from James. So what I 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.760 got from James was the ABC like the discipline fun. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.920 You know. Then what I got with Georgie, with George's 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:20.559 whole thing was whatever the funk you got, bring it, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.600 And so I wouldn't never at a stand still. I 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.559 was always That's why I wasn't ever going back listening. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.080 I was always It's like George said, whatever I got, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.600 so I gotta see what I got. You know, he 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.800 allowed he allowed me to have that freedom to find myself. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.520 He allowed Bernie to have that freedom to find himself. 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.520 And it just so happened that all that stuff worked. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.640 The magic was coming from each mug. You know. It 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:59.880 wasn't like we planned it or planned the sound or 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.600 are you know the sound was anytime I'm with Bernie, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.839 uh with Catfish, you know, um, it's gonna sign that way. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.520 How long will all those records did they take? I've 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.920 read stories of them, y'all cutting records in like a week, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.080 week and a half. How How would the average studio 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.640 session work? Well, we didn't have no plan first of all. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.679 Whatever happened, yeah, yeah, you know, we just going to 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.760 studio and stuff cutting. George say, I like this for Funkadelic, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.640 I like that for Parliament. Um, I like that for 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.640 part Lad and Day. You know, So it wasn't like 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.320 that we were just recording. We wasn't thinking, We wasn't 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.599 thinking about what we had to cut. One question I 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.160 always had Glenn Goings, because you're the only person I 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.040 met that you know, I actually worked with him. What 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.040 was he like? Man? He was such an incredible voice. Well, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.440 not only was he incredible voice, his songwriting ability along 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.280 with his guitar playing. You know, actually that's him playing 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:03.200 twelve string on Monkey's Yeah, that's glam lamb twilt strang guitar. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.719 So okay, not many people know that for a lot 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:16.720 of those Parliament songs, you're drumming on it, which I 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.960 want to know. I mean, now I appreciate it. But 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.200 for me, like the sound of funk and the sound 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.880 of raw soul was always James Brown esque like tight snares, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.560 high tune stuff. You guys were the opposite of that. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.280 So what was what was the ideology behind like the 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:38.960 lowest tuned snare ever and you know, playing like under 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.120 orthodox rhythms like I know Jerome also, you know he 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.960 shouldn't be slept on as far as Jerom Bigfoot. Yeah, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:52.480 but what just with with the the age of synthesizers, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.760 which I know, like everyone, especially with Stevie. Yeah, that 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.439 sounded futuristic and right up there with you guys. But 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.480 just as far as like slowing the pace down like 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:09.160 a lot like Dr Funkenstein is so slow an anti 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.040 disco like what that? That for me was what funk was? 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.080 I mean it felt like that. I mean, you know, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.120 you don't do the rabbit thing. I mean, you know 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.560 when you get on a chick, you know, it's like 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.000 making love. You know, it ain't about being a rabbit. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:32.720 You know, you gotta be a slow, go slowgo that 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.080 funk down so she can feel it. He needs his 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:46.240 own love advice. He wants to feel it. Man, I'm 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.960 jumping all over the place, but I know that we 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.760 might as well start the regret questions. So okay, now 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.520 you say stop the questions, the ones that we know 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.640 we're gonna forget. We have regret questions that we think 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.560 of now and then forget about because we're on a 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:08.120 tangent um. Okay, So in in seventy eight and again 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.680 I'm just jumping all over the police. In seventy eight, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:17.160 Bootzilla is absolutely and it's it's absolutely inescapable, you know, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.200 I mean, what what brick House was for seventy six 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:26.560 and what uh flashlight was for seventy seven. I mean, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.800 at this point, I felt like your second album was 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:36.560 slightly bigger. Yeah, Motor Booty Affair. So my question is 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.040 with boot Zilla, it never occurred to none of you 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:47.680 to just call that song wind me Up, because I'm 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.840 just saying that record in the record store, were just 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:57.800 saying you got you gotta understand. The mentality wasn't by this. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.520 The mentality was is I was building a character, and 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.680 Boodzilla was the character, not wind me up, but not 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:13.920 even parentheses like no, no, and and if you notice, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.960 if you notice on the album, there's nothing about Boodzilla 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:24.320 on that album. Boots the question mark. So it wasn't 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.200 we wanted to go break all the rules, all of 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.520 the things you're just saying, you know, we wanted to 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.000 break all of those. So we put emphasis on okay, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.080 what we're gonna call it, and and Enjoyge would say uh, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:43.360 well um, and I say, well how about rubber ducky. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.160 It had nothing to do with the song. I realized 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.440 that there's a lot of titles in which are never 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.720 but but we only we only pretty much did that 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.920 on my stuff, you know, uh, some of some of 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.200 the other things did that. But if you notice on 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.600 on the Bootsley Rubber Band stuff, a lot of the 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.359 titles had nothing to do with the songs. How did 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:14.320 y'all come up with what's the telephone being? Yeah, it's 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:19.000 your phone from that at the gym. That's one of 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.400 my love songs. Man. What it is is I used, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.800 you know, when I used to go to school. Um, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.479 it was like this one girl, I just you know, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:36.560 I messed around, got some mouth from right check it out, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.520 check check it out, check it out. You know. Her 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.720 daddy was a preacher, you know, and some kind of 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.040 way I was planning to where I got in, I 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.280 hit that mouth and I got out, you know what 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:59.080 I'm saying, so, you know, and doing so I got real. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.680 You know, I don't think it was well, it might 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.479 have been love, but I think it was more so 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.760 lust turn out, Yeah, I think it was more of luck. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.600 And then every chance I got I was on the 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.200 you know, the phone booth. I was in the phone 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.720 booth calling up talking about what time can I get 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:26.000 some more of that mouth? I need some mouth right now, okay, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.760 And so you know that was the whole conversation. And 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.760 you know I would carry that conversation out because if 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.000 I couldn't see her, because you know, Dad got the 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.680 strict you know, preacher thing going on. So I had 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.240 to make you know, you know, make adjustments here and there. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.760 Whatever time I can get that mouth, I had to 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.119 sneak in, sneak out. So and I did all that 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:54.159 on the telephone. And so the whole thing came down 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:59.280 to if I can get your loving I mean, what's 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.600 the telephone bill? I mean it didn't matter. I mean, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.560 you know, if I can get that some of that mouth, 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:11.760 nothing I I was. I was getting the nickelback anyway, 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:13.880 you know, because you know, we knew how to work 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:19.159 them telephone booths. My god, all these lyrics like that. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.800 So the hook, but then all the stuff you're saying 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:26.679 in the middle, that's just you. And then George wrote 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.840 wrote a lot of that one too. Yeah. But the 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.320 hook of it, the hook of the whole thing was, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.400 you know, the whole purpose of it was to get 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.359 the word out about you know, if I if I 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.800 can get some of that mouth, And that was it 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.960 what what they were saying, so when you're in concert 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.800 and a lot of these songs don't have traditional verses 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.960 to earth Hook, it's just you doing dialogue like Hollywood 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.520 squares or or or whatever. I mean, just just talking. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.280 Would your audience mouth that back to you as if? 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.760 And would they be disappointed if you went off script? 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:12.439 Like would you have to recite your dialogue? Pretty? I 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.639 mean they want to hear it. They don't have to 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.840 hear it exact exact, but they want to hear it. 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.280 They want to hear some of it. You know, they 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.800 would love to hear all of it. But if for 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:28.080 some reason, I don't do it that night, it's all 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.800 right because they're gonna get some of it anyway, you know. Um, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.520 But I don't know. Um. The audience has been really 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.480 good for me, um throughout the career. So it's like 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.160 Funk of Tears is funk of tears, man. I mean, 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.640 you know, they just come to you know, they want 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.240 to give up some funk and then they want to 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.960 get some fun. What was the the touring like for you, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:59.400 because I mean, by that point, black theater really wasn't invented. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.159 I mean, you your typical night and and watching your 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.280 favorite act was more like a review like the Motown 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:11.800 review again in suit and tie. Nothing close to theatrics 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.320 and and and props and symptom of the opera going 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.600 on like a mug I mean, I mean, you know 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.679 it was. It was a stage. It was bigger than 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.159 all of us. I mean, because we wasn't going for 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:30.640 the sure p A system, you know, um, the little 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.080 baby microphones. I mean, we were going for the big 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:37.159 boy stuff, you know. And that was, uh, that was 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:44.760 partially George's idea and my idea as far as we 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.520 want to do it like the White Boys, you know, 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.399 I mean, why why put us on stage with a 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.439 baby p A when you know we're gonna blow that 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.480 ship up, you know. So you know, but that's the 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.080 way we were always treated. So we had to start 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:05.280 taking our own money and investing, Yeah, invested in p A. Uh. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.040 I had um Maryland Sound make the this thing. I 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.639 call it this uh space based station. It was up 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.439 in the middle of the um, the Colosseum, and it 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.560 would spend on a certain certain part of the show 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.280 and the bass solo and stuff would come out of it, 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.960 you know. Uh. And that wasn't that year you talked 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.760 about nine. So the speakers would rotate. Yeah, well they 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.080 would they would turn, okay while listen in the middle 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:37.240 of the uh colosseum or auditor it would turn and 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:45.320 the speakers you know, and the sound would come off 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:49.800 the stage and up here. So it's like an earlier 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:55.480 version of a three D effect um with sound. What 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.280 does a writer look like for you guys at this point, 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:03.520 I would be scared as a promoter. Yeah, yeah, it 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:08.000 was different. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty deep. But again, 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.359 we wouldn't I don't. I don't think we were that 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.680 kind of band where, you know, everybody was tripping. You know, 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.520 if a mother can get a sandwich. We was cool. 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.960 I mean just just just because we could. I think 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.800 a lot of them did it. But you know, it 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.400 wasn't really about none of that with us, you know. 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.520 It was it was more about we came to give 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.760 up the phone and we're gonna teurn this mother out. 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.359 That was the whole thing. You know. When I was 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.960 a kid, I've read about problems with using the name 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:48.640 the Rubber Band. What was the band present? No nod 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:52.240 like someone trying to sue for the Rubber Band. It 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.760 was a country and Western guy. That's funny you said 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.240 that because I was just reading over the because it's 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.159 always been rubber Band and me. But well, they were 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:10.320 saying that we took his name rubber Band, and we 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.280 nobody never heard of him. I mean, you know, um, 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.440 he came in and you know, just because we were 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.960 being successful, and you know, I want some money. I 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.960 want to get paid. Did the Rubber Band existing, I 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.600 don't want Yeah, that's what he well, but I mean, 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.400 I mean the actual rubber Band that was in existence, 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.399 So how could you claim that? Well, I mean, you 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:39.840 know they'll claim anything. Ownership, I mean ownership, Come on, man, 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.439 I mean we were blessed to get away with they 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:47.240 didn't sue me, right, Yeah, well, I think you're saying 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.800 the actual literal note. When you are a unit, you 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:55.040 have to register your name, like we I owned the 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.720 Roots and as if you're a group, you can't be 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:02.040 named the Roots. But then movie could be made or yeah, 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.720 and and then today you gotta understand that what what 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:11.800 quest is saying, you know, that's like that's every day 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:17.399 known fact. Then brothers didn't know nothing, but see Juicy 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.960 Fruit still came tried to come after James and two May, 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:21.600 but they just didn't win. That's why I was right, 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.840 you know, right right, yeah, Oh they don't Oh yeah, 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.440 oh yeah, that's the thing. They come and take it. 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.560 You know, they come and take it. They don't care. 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.240 You know, it's like it's mine. You know, I don't 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.919 care who came up with it. I mean, it is mine. 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.960 So was that was that? Why y'all you start you 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.560 did the one off the sweatband project? Was that because 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.439 of that? Well, sweat Band didn't have nothing to do 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.000 with what I think what Quest is talking about? Quest 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:52.760 talking about the rubber band. Yeah, and um, and then 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.919 we didn't call it the rubber band. It was always 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:58.199 boots He's rubber band. So that's the other part of 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.359 it that we had in our favorite we and going 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.240 around trying to sell the rubber band. You know, it 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.280 was Bootsy's rubber band. So I think that's how we 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.199 won that. Warners came in and blew because they were 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.560 so cocky because Dude had already got with them about 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:15.960 you know, give me a little Stomon and everything's cool. 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.919 They were like, man, you know, we own this, you know, 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.200 we you know, so it's Warner Brothers. What was it 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:27.120 like dealing with Austin and and the cats at Warners. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.879 With them at all I did, but not with mo 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.080