1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Previously on k l S Classic with Booty Collins, he 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: told us about growing up in Cincinnati, Ohio, me and 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: his idol James Brown, and James Brown taking him under 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: his wing, taking him all the way to Africa to 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: see failer, and then coming back to build the p 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Funk Empire. You do not want to miss part two 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of the Bootsy Column episode q LS y'all q LS 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: Classic to be a matter of fact, Okay, what are 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: we gonna do now? You know, because I knew that 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: was it. You know, it's like, we gotta go. So 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: we're sitting on the bus, we all the whole band 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: sitting on the bus, you know, looking at each other 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: on trailway, I know, with trail trailway bus man, and 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're looking at each other. And then they're 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: looking at me like, okay, well we're gonna do now. 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Since you went in there and you know you and 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: and so you know, that was whin me out. I 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: started feeling like, dag, what are we gonna do? So 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the next thing came to my mind is you're gonna 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati. You're gonna practice, You're gonna get in 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: that basement, you're gonna practice, you're gonna get tight, and 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna go to Detroit, you know, and see what happens. 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Because you know that's what we were into, taking people's gigs. 26 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, you may Motown could sign us. We actually, 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you why Detroit. Billy from the Spinner's 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Call and asked, uh what told us that he needed 29 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: a band, and he also needed a lead singer. And 30 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, Philip a Win which is feel so walker. 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: He was singing with us before we got with James, 32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: after we got left James right after we got you know, left, 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and so um, we already had the lead singer. We 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: didn't know it, but I told him. I was like, Billy, 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: we got the lead singer you need. Man, I said, well, 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: we'll play behind y'all, you know, um, you know, but 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: but seriously, we did not want to play behind another 38 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: set of singers. If you know, if it killed us, 39 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, because you gotta understand the time that it 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: was coming through sliding them these bands was coming up. 41 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: We wanted to be a band. Yeah, you know, we 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: wanted to dress crazy act of fool and and do 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: anything we wanted to do and singers wouldn't let us 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, yeah, and so we was really through 45 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: with that. So we we go to Detroit, you know, 46 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: um on Billie's dime. And once we get to Detroit, 47 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: we play and take a few gigs, right, we take 48 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: it to the stage, all right, take some gigs. And 49 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: when we did that this I met this uh young 50 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: lady named Mallia Franklin, and she was um tired with 51 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: with George Clinton, and because her sister was dating George, 52 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: so she know him, and she wanted to take me 53 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: over the meeting because you know, y'all, y'all look just 54 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: like funk a delly, y'all sound like them. You know, 55 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: y'all need to hook up. So she convinced me, and 56 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I gotta go meet this man. I said, yeah, 57 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: we've been wanting to take it to the stage on 58 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: the mom because anyway, you know, you were you you 59 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: were fully aware of a by this point, not fully 60 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: we had just been hearing about him. You know. It's 61 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: like everywhere we went, it's like, man, y'all look like 62 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: fun doll y'all. So I like them. You know, so 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: everywhere we went it was like it followed us. It's 64 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: about what years this around, this is like seventy two. Yeah, 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: and so um we heard that so much. You know. 66 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: It's like then when we got to Detroit, you know, 67 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, I need to meet George. You know, 68 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: so Malia sets up the meeting. I go over there 69 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: get with George. You know, that's the whole story in itself, 70 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: which is another three or four hours. You know, you 71 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: love it first night when you all first met each other. Yeah, 72 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: basically basically, you know, I I knocked on the door, 73 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: and the door kind of the creepy, the creepy thing 74 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Adam family thing, So it kind of creeped open, and 75 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: uh I heard a voice say come on, come on there, 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and so I kinda walked walked in and I saw 77 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: this black light and I immediately it was like, oh, 78 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, I went straight to the black light. You know. 79 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: Then I looked right down below it. This mug is 80 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: sitting in a Buddhist buddhistance right with with a sheet 81 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: white sheet on the picture. This in a black light, 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: white sheet on't and chicken feet on now yell yellow 83 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: yellow chicken feet. Yeah, he's sitting there like this on 84 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: the floor like this, you know, and he's just sitting 85 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: there in the corner and he's got a half moon 86 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: on one side, star on the other. Rest of his 87 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: ball is here, and he is looking just as crazy 88 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: as I mean, you know, I mean, you know, And 89 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: when I seen it, it was like, whatever he's talking about, 90 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: I won't end whatever it is. I mean, whatever he says. 91 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, I already know about the money thing, you know, 92 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: and why you know, you know, I was not into that. 93 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: I was in the if you just let me get 94 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: in I will I will produce, I will give it 95 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: to you. I lay it on you, you know. And 96 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: you know I didn't have to go through all that 97 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: with George. He was like, you know, you just come 98 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: on in here and help me with this Parliament, this 99 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: funk a dollic, these records I gotta do. Just come 100 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: on in here and do that. And and on down 101 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: the line. You know, I'll get you a deal, a 102 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: record deal, you in the band. It wasn't at that point, 103 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't about getting me a deal. It was about 104 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: getting the band, you know. And and he's the one Georgia, 105 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: the one to talk me into doing the solo thing 106 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't you know, I wasn't down with that. 107 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: It was like, man, we're a band. I mean, you know, 108 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: I had always been used to be in a band, 109 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: and I never even entertained the idea of me doing so. 110 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: I can't sing, Man, what what am I gonna do? 111 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, that's what, That's exactly what he's there. I mean, 112 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: you're the first larger than life character, like your persona 113 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: supersedes you're You're already powerful catalog and you know your 114 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: your name is associated with a lot of make a 115 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: ton of hits in the p funct uh you know, yeah, 116 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: So how when how did he finally truly convince you 117 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: that this has to happen? And you know, you know what, 118 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: he didn't have to convince me. I mean, um, he 119 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: already knew about us, you know, um from the James 120 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Brown thing, So he he knew more about us than 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: I knew about him. You know, yeah, yeah, he knew. 122 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, George's George's a silent genius. I mean that 123 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: mug is um. I can't say enough about him and 124 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: how he have moved through not only the music but 125 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the business um, all of us could use a bit 126 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: more of what we're lacking. But him as a person, he, 127 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, the thing that that messes us all up 128 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: is the flesh. If we didn't have flash, we'd be cool, 129 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: We really, we'd be really cool because we wouldn't have 130 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: to take care of this, you know. Uh, and we 131 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be so addicted, you know, addictable, you know. And 132 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: so those are the things that called him, you know what. 133 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: It catches not just him, he catches all of us, yeah, 134 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: you know. And so but his mind was just so 135 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the one that got me into reading 136 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: and being up on the mother ship and you know, clones. 137 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: And let me ask you, star wise at this point, 138 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: where were you and how did you get there? From James? Right, 139 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: because when you met George, I'm imagining that you was 140 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: already there. Okay, So how did stage? He was dressing 141 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: crazy on stage he had to suit and tie with James. Okay, 142 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and then George that you didn't influence James a little 143 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: bit because he started dressing you know, yeah, he got 144 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: black and eyes right. Well, actually that's what James named 145 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: us first, y'all was black and Eyes, the black Nisers Wow, 146 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: that was you know, he named us that before the 147 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: j BS, we was the Black and Eyes and he 148 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: sent us out with I Haint Ballot, so it was 149 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Hank the Ballot, Ballot, the Midnighters and the Black and 150 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Niss band. So you guys are the band on that 151 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: record as well on the on the Hank Ballot record, 152 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: which one now now the ones like like a round 153 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: in the twist time we wentn't no no no, I'm 154 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: talking about if you haven't cut your no no? That 155 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: was that was That was Macy on new from the 156 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: love side at least store there's I knew he had 157 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: one record out in seventy that was okay. So the 158 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: sound of p funk it's actually the opposite of James Brown. 159 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah who So who's crafting the sound of it? And 160 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: was it that much of a science or was it 161 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: just whatever you felt? Let me let me tell you 162 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: exactly how it was. Everybody that was involved brought their 163 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: signature and was allowed to use it. In other words, 164 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: George gave me an opportunity to get in the studio 165 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: and find myself, you know. Um, and that is what 166 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: you know I didn't get from James. So what I 167 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: got from James was the ABC like the discipline fun. 168 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: You know. Then what I got with Georgie, with George's 169 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: whole thing was whatever the funk you got, bring it, 170 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't never at a stand still. I 171 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: was always That's why I wasn't ever going back listening. 172 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: I was always It's like George said, whatever I got, 173 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: so I gotta see what I got. You know, he 174 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: allowed he allowed me to have that freedom to find myself. 175 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: He allowed Bernie to have that freedom to find himself. 176 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: And it just so happened that all that stuff worked. 177 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: The magic was coming from each mug. You know. It 178 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like we planned it or planned the sound or 179 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: are you know the sound was anytime I'm with Bernie, 180 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: uh with Catfish, you know, um, it's gonna sign that way. 181 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: How long will all those records did they take? I've 182 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: read stories of them, y'all cutting records in like a week, 183 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: week and a half. How How would the average studio 184 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: session work? Well, we didn't have no plan first of all. 185 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: Whatever happened, yeah, yeah, you know, we just going to 186 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: studio and stuff cutting. George say, I like this for Funkadelic, 187 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: I like that for Parliament. Um, I like that for 188 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: part Lad and Day. You know, So it wasn't like 189 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: that we were just recording. We wasn't thinking, We wasn't 190 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: thinking about what we had to cut. One question I 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: always had Glenn Goings, because you're the only person I 192 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: met that you know, I actually worked with him. What 193 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: was he like? Man? He was such an incredible voice. Well, 194 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: not only was he incredible voice, his songwriting ability along 195 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: with his guitar playing. You know, actually that's him playing 196 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: twelve string on Monkey's Yeah, that's glam lamb twilt strang guitar. 197 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: So okay, not many people know that for a lot 198 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: of those Parliament songs, you're drumming on it, which I 199 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: want to know. I mean, now I appreciate it. But 200 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: for me, like the sound of funk and the sound 201 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: of raw soul was always James Brown esque like tight snares, 202 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: high tune stuff. You guys were the opposite of that. 203 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: So what was what was the ideology behind like the 204 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: lowest tuned snare ever and you know, playing like under 205 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: orthodox rhythms like I know Jerome also, you know he 206 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't be slept on as far as Jerom Bigfoot. Yeah, 207 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: but what just with with the the age of synthesizers, 208 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: which I know, like everyone, especially with Stevie. Yeah, that 209 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: sounded futuristic and right up there with you guys. But 210 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: just as far as like slowing the pace down like 211 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot like Dr Funkenstein is so slow an anti 212 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: disco like what that? That for me was what funk was? 213 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean it felt like that. I mean, you know, 214 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: you don't do the rabbit thing. I mean, you know 215 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: when you get on a chick, you know, it's like 216 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: making love. You know, it ain't about being a rabbit. 217 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be a slow, go slowgo that 218 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: funk down so she can feel it. He needs his 219 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: own love advice. He wants to feel it. Man, I'm 220 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: jumping all over the place, but I know that we 221 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: might as well start the regret questions. So okay, now 222 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: you say stop the questions, the ones that we know 223 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna forget. We have regret questions that we think 224 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: of now and then forget about because we're on a 225 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: tangent um. Okay, So in in seventy eight and again 226 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm just jumping all over the police. In seventy eight, 227 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Bootzilla is absolutely and it's it's absolutely inescapable, you know, 228 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean, what what brick House was for seventy six 229 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: and what uh flashlight was for seventy seven. I mean, 230 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: at this point, I felt like your second album was 231 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: slightly bigger. Yeah, Motor Booty Affair. So my question is 232 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: with boot Zilla, it never occurred to none of you 233 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: to just call that song wind me Up, because I'm 234 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: just saying that record in the record store, were just 235 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: saying you got you gotta understand. The mentality wasn't by this. 236 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: The mentality was is I was building a character, and 237 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Boodzilla was the character, not wind me up, but not 238 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: even parentheses like no, no, and and if you notice, 239 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: if you notice on the album, there's nothing about Boodzilla 240 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: on that album. Boots the question mark. So it wasn't 241 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: we wanted to go break all the rules, all of 242 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: the things you're just saying, you know, we wanted to 243 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: break all of those. So we put emphasis on okay, 244 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: what we're gonna call it, and and Enjoyge would say uh, 245 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: well um, and I say, well how about rubber ducky. 246 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with the song. I realized 247 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of titles in which are never 248 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: but but we only we only pretty much did that 249 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: on my stuff, you know, uh, some of some of 250 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: the other things did that. But if you notice on 251 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: on the Bootsley Rubber Band stuff, a lot of the 252 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: titles had nothing to do with the songs. How did 253 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: y'all come up with what's the telephone being? Yeah, it's 254 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: your phone from that at the gym. That's one of 255 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: my love songs. Man. What it is is I used, 256 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, when I used to go to school. Um, 257 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: it was like this one girl, I just you know, 258 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: I messed around, got some mouth from right check it out, 259 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: check check it out, check it out. You know. Her 260 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: daddy was a preacher, you know, and some kind of 261 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: way I was planning to where I got in, I 262 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: hit that mouth and I got out, you know what 263 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, so, you know, and doing so I got real. 264 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it was well, it might 265 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: have been love, but I think it was more so 266 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: lust turn out, Yeah, I think it was more of luck. 267 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: And then every chance I got I was on the 268 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, the phone booth. I was in the phone 269 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: booth calling up talking about what time can I get 270 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: some more of that mouth? I need some mouth right now, okay, 271 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: And so you know that was the whole conversation. And 272 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: you know I would carry that conversation out because if 273 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't see her, because you know, Dad got the 274 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: strict you know, preacher thing going on. So I had 275 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: to make you know, you know, make adjustments here and there. 276 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Whatever time I can get that mouth, I had to 277 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: sneak in, sneak out. So and I did all that 278 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: on the telephone. And so the whole thing came down 279 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: to if I can get your loving I mean, what's 280 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: the telephone bill? I mean it didn't matter. I mean, 281 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, if I can get that some of that mouth, 282 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: nothing I I was. I was getting the nickelback anyway, 283 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, we knew how to work 284 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: them telephone booths. My god, all these lyrics like that. 285 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: So the hook, but then all the stuff you're saying 286 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: in the middle, that's just you. And then George wrote 287 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: wrote a lot of that one too. Yeah. But the 288 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: hook of it, the hook of the whole thing was, 289 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, the whole purpose of it was to get 290 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the word out about you know, if I if I 291 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: can get some of that mouth, And that was it 292 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: what what they were saying, so when you're in concert 293 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of these songs don't have traditional verses 294 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: to earth Hook, it's just you doing dialogue like Hollywood 295 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: squares or or or whatever. I mean, just just talking. 296 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Would your audience mouth that back to you as if? 297 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: And would they be disappointed if you went off script? 298 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: Like would you have to recite your dialogue? Pretty? I 299 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: mean they want to hear it. They don't have to 300 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: hear it exact exact, but they want to hear it. 301 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: They want to hear some of it. You know, they 302 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: would love to hear all of it. But if for 303 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: some reason, I don't do it that night, it's all 304 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: right because they're gonna get some of it anyway, you know. Um, 305 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Um. The audience has been really 306 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: good for me, um throughout the career. So it's like 307 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: Funk of Tears is funk of tears, man. I mean, 308 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, they just come to you know, they want 309 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: to give up some funk and then they want to 310 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: get some fun. What was the the touring like for you, 311 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: because I mean, by that point, black theater really wasn't invented. 312 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you your typical night and and watching your 313 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: favorite act was more like a review like the Motown 314 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: review again in suit and tie. Nothing close to theatrics 315 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: and and and props and symptom of the opera going 316 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: on like a mug I mean, I mean, you know 317 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: it was. It was a stage. It was bigger than 318 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: all of us. I mean, because we wasn't going for 319 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: the sure p A system, you know, um, the little 320 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: baby microphones. I mean, we were going for the big 321 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: boy stuff, you know. And that was, uh, that was 322 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: partially George's idea and my idea as far as we 323 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: want to do it like the White Boys, you know, 324 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: I mean, why why put us on stage with a 325 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: baby p A when you know we're gonna blow that 326 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: ship up, you know. So you know, but that's the 327 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: way we were always treated. So we had to start 328 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: taking our own money and investing, Yeah, invested in p A. Uh. 329 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: I had um Maryland Sound make the this thing. I 330 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: call it this uh space based station. It was up 331 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: in the middle of the um, the Colosseum, and it 332 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: would spend on a certain certain part of the show 333 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: and the bass solo and stuff would come out of it, 334 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And that wasn't that year you talked 335 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: about nine. So the speakers would rotate. Yeah, well they 336 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: would they would turn, okay while listen in the middle 337 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: of the uh colosseum or auditor it would turn and 338 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the speakers you know, and the sound would come off 339 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: the stage and up here. So it's like an earlier 340 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: version of a three D effect um with sound. What 341 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: does a writer look like for you guys at this point, 342 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: I would be scared as a promoter. Yeah, yeah, it 343 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: was different. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty deep. But again, 344 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: we wouldn't I don't. I don't think we were that 345 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: kind of band where, you know, everybody was tripping. You know, 346 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: if a mother can get a sandwich. We was cool. 347 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean just just just because we could. I think 348 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of them did it. But you know, it 349 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really about none of that with us, you know. 350 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: It was it was more about we came to give 351 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: up the phone and we're gonna teurn this mother out. 352 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: That was the whole thing. You know. When I was 353 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: a kid, I've read about problems with using the name 354 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: the Rubber Band. What was the band present? No nod 355 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: like someone trying to sue for the Rubber Band. It 356 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: was a country and Western guy. That's funny you said 357 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: that because I was just reading over the because it's 358 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: always been rubber Band and me. But well, they were 359 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: saying that we took his name rubber Band, and we 360 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: nobody never heard of him. I mean, you know, um, 361 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: he came in and you know, just because we were 362 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: being successful, and you know, I want some money. I 363 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: want to get paid. Did the Rubber Band existing, I 364 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: don't want Yeah, that's what he well, but I mean, 365 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean the actual rubber Band that was in existence, 366 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: So how could you claim that? Well, I mean, you 367 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: know they'll claim anything. Ownership, I mean ownership, Come on, man, 368 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean we were blessed to get away with they 369 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: didn't sue me, right, Yeah, well, I think you're saying 370 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: the actual literal note. When you are a unit, you 371 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: have to register your name, like we I owned the 372 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: Roots and as if you're a group, you can't be 373 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: named the Roots. But then movie could be made or yeah, 374 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: and and then today you gotta understand that what what 375 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: quest is saying, you know, that's like that's every day 376 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: known fact. Then brothers didn't know nothing, but see Juicy 377 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: Fruit still came tried to come after James and two May, 378 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: but they just didn't win. That's why I was right, 379 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, right right, yeah, Oh they don't Oh yeah, 380 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's the thing. They come and take it. 381 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: You know, they come and take it. They don't care. 382 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's mine. You know, I don't 383 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: care who came up with it. I mean, it is mine. 384 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: So was that was that? Why y'all you start you 385 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: did the one off the sweatband project? Was that because 386 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: of that? Well, sweat Band didn't have nothing to do 387 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: with what I think what Quest is talking about? Quest 388 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: talking about the rubber band. Yeah, and um, and then 389 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: we didn't call it the rubber band. It was always 390 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: boots He's rubber band. So that's the other part of 391 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: it that we had in our favorite we and going 392 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: around trying to sell the rubber band. You know, it 393 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: was Bootsy's rubber band. So I think that's how we 394 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: won that. Warners came in and blew because they were 395 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: so cocky because Dude had already got with them about 396 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, give me a little Stomon and everything's cool. 397 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: They were like, man, you know, we own this, you know, 398 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: we you know, so it's Warner Brothers. What was it 399 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: like dealing with Austin and and the cats at Warners. 400 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: With them at all I did, but not with mo 401 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: uh Bob Krasnow was the cat and we had we 402 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: had a we had a good, good relationship, real good 403 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um at the time. Um, at the time, 404 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: I was, you know, doing really good and doing what 405 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do. So um, yeah it was. It 406 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: was good, you know. But they wouldn't. They wouldn't into 407 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: investing in something that they had no idea that you know, 408 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: we looked like maniacs, man, come on, but they knew 409 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: it were well now, I don't know, I can't say 410 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: that they knew somebody loved it. They knew yeah, there 411 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: you go. They knew somebody and they know who to 412 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: somebody was we don't get it, but somebody. Yeah. Yeah. 413 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: So if Neil Bogart hadn't come in and like basically 414 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: financed the was it the seventy seven tour? Um, Like, 415 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: where do you think Funk would have been? Well? I 416 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: think we would have been somewhere, But you know, something 417 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: would have happened. I don't I don't exactly know what, 418 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: but we was at a point that it had to happen, 419 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: you know. Um, and it just happened that Neil stepped 420 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: up because he's like pretty much the only one. I 421 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: guess he's the only one, you know, you, I mean, 422 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: by seventy you were such a character figure. Was there 423 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: any talk whatsoever about you having your own cartoon? Because 424 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: you guys comic books inside the record that's all we 425 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: that's all and within our crew, within carrying out. I 426 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I mean, it was so much 427 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: talent around that whole p funk time. Man, it was. 428 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: It was just incredible. But but what it was quest 429 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: was they didn't want that kind of thing. That was 430 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: too you know, it had to be lightweight. You had 431 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: to be talking about just love, uh just you know, 432 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: I love you baby, and and dressing nice. And they 433 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: didn't want that raw p crap you know, Saturday Morning 434 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: didn't want none of that. Man, it's definitely ready for 435 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: adult swim nail though, like that oh yeah man, oh 436 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Well just the way that the shows began 437 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you guys were showing, like the 438 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: three four minute cartoons at the beginning, and but but 439 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: guess who bought those we did? I mean, what what 440 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: nobody helping? What nobody helping with George, you know, had 441 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: to come up with the money, with the uh you know, 442 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: with the mother. Yere what nobody helping, you know, and 443 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: they knew, they knew how big it was getting. But 444 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: at the same time it was like, don't touch them, 445 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: crazy mom, you know, you know, especially George that boys 446 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: out of his mind. Okay, so is there any truth 447 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: to the myth that, um, you and George will purposely 448 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: go fishing in the Bermuna Triangle. Yeah, that's not enough. 449 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: That's actually true in hopes to get abducted or to 450 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: see what happens to get loving to get it. Oh yeah, 451 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: well now that that's why I can't. But why go 452 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: fishing in the Bermuda Triangle? It's kind of like asking 453 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: for it. Wait, do you know how heavy the tides 454 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: are the Bermuna Triangle? No, but I'm just saying, like, 455 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: if you're trying to take a robe they did. Or 456 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: there was one night George told me about the night 457 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: you were in Detroit driving you and George saw well, 458 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: actually we drove from Detroit to Toronto. Okay, yeah, it 459 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: was coming out of Detroit and uh yeah, that's that's 460 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: one of the ones that I know really happened. I mean, 461 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't say I was so okay, I'm 462 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: just saying that I know, yeah, I know that that happened. 463 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that that happened, and I know 464 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: also know that there's some missing time that happened that 465 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: day night whatever it was. First it was a day 466 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: and next thing we know, it was night and Chuck 467 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Barry was on that singing, uh Johnny be Good on 468 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: the radio. And that's when George told me after we 469 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: saw this, it was yeah, after we actually saw this 470 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: come down and hit the car, Yeah, yeah, we um. 471 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: I looked at George because I'm always looking up to George, 472 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: like you know, he's the savior. He knows everything, you know, 473 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm I'm not afraid that's like, you know, 474 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: being out there on to try and shoot. I'm with George, 475 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'll be anywhere with night fishing, 476 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, and you can't even seeing man, I mean, 477 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: and George called just we don't know what it was. 478 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: We never got a chance to pull it in. It 479 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: went under the boat and he couldn't, you know, couldn't 480 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: pull it in. So we don't know what happened. And 481 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: because you can't see your hand in front of your face, 482 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, it was some deep um. It 483 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: was some deep experiences. Uh that one you was talking 484 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: about dough in Detroit, Toronto. We went to we went 485 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: to Georgia's house over Toronto after that experience. Knocked on 486 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: the door and his daughter asked the door, and she 487 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: was in shock by the way we looked. She said, 488 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? Mother? Because we were lit up? 489 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: She said, we were lit up? Okay, then this is 490 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: her wrap and she she don't know. I mean, you know, 491 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: she's a little a little girl growing up Barbarella, you know. Yeah, yeah, 492 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: and you know she what happened to y'all? You know, 493 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: and we're thinking, we just you know, we got just 494 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: got scared out of our mind. We didn't know we 495 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: had a certain look and show enough. So when she 496 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: saw us, what is wrong with y'all? You know? So 497 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: and we never talked about it. George and I never 498 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: talked about it because I wasn't sure about, you know, 499 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: the facts, and I knew he wasn't sure because he 500 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: was he was more confused, and I was another singer 501 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: I had a question about, was Leslie and Bailey Love vibes. Uh. 502 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: You know, I met leslian Um let's see, in nineteen 503 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: seventy three or four, and we started doing you know, 504 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: a little recordings and stuff like around in uh Cincinnati, 505 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: and I first thought that, well, actually she was a 506 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: part of the band in the very first record, um 507 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: what was And because I hadn't really put the whole 508 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: band together yet, so you know, um, it was myself, 509 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: Bone uh cat Um, Frankie and Fred and I had 510 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: called them to come in to do the horn things. 511 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, the band, actual touring band wasn't together yet, 512 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, so I was trying to find myself, find 513 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: out who the actually rubber band was gonna be, you know, 514 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: and she was part of that and uh yeah she 515 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: uh she was. She was a heck of a song writer, um, 516 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: with those kind of love you know, love vibes and 517 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: that kind of like, yeah, that's my girl. So so 518 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: by the late seventies, when you guys are just in 519 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: full mood, does it get overwhelming because you're dealing with 520 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Parlette Brides, Bootsy, funky delic uh and all these yeah, 521 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: every like how do you know our first phase? I 522 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: mean because it never technically ran out of gas? But 523 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: how did you know like we need a break or 524 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: that sort of truth. You know. Um, I think the 525 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: worst part about music is the business, right and um, 526 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: music is so blissful, it's such a blessing. Um, But 527 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: that's the business is the thing that separates everybody. And 528 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: that's what happens. You don't. It didn't only happen to us. 529 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: That's what happens is pretty much everybody. You know, you 530 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: start making money, you know, because when we weren't making 531 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: no money, hey, I mean you know, it was like 532 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: that was the best time in my life. That's when 533 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: we weren't making no money. I mean you know, Um, 534 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: when you start making making the money, people start wanting 535 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: to separate. Oh you can come over and do this 536 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: with me, and you don't need them, and that that 537 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: and that, so that all that rap starts happening. The 538 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: one thing they couldn't do is separate me and George, 539 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, because that came up a lot, 540 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: wanting to separate, you know. But that's one thing that 541 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: didn't happen, you know. But everything else. When I started 542 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: figuring out that I needed a drug to go to 543 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: the studio, I knew something was wrong. With me, not 544 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: something wrong when anybody else the blame stopped right here 545 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: because I started realizing that ain't that ain't what I do. 546 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: You know. I used to go see you because I 547 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: love to do music, you know, but now I can't 548 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: go out to the house without doing drugs. First, you know, 549 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: I knew something was wrong with me, and so I 550 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: think that hit everybody at a certain in this time 551 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: period that maybe not the same way it hit me, 552 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: but it was hitting everybody. Do you think it was 553 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: was it trying to deal with the fame like being 554 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: like actually fair? I mean, when nobody give us no 555 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: manual on how to you know, I mean question to them. 556 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: They know more about you know everything. You know, were 557 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: just out there, were just out there, you know, for 558 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: the experience and the love of music. You know. Um, 559 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: George is the only one in the camp I think 560 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: even had a clue about how Motown worked or how 561 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, the business work. You supposed to you know, 562 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: try to get a hit, try to make sure you 563 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: gotta hook, try to make sure you got you know, 564 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: he was the only one that had a little clue, 565 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, but he didn't have nobody to push him, 566 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, he was it. So what were your thoughts 567 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: once who WHOA even before that, Um, you technically are 568 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: the producer of the first app album you're listed out. Yeah, 569 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: describe people. I still don't think that the world knews 570 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: what a virtual So Roger Troutman was as a musician, Well, 571 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, Um, I knew Roger before any of that stuff. 572 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: So you knew him from the from the hood and yeah, yeah, 573 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: and we used to play in the same clubs. I mean, 574 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: you know when he was rodding the human body, you know, 575 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: um and so um we used to go to their gigs. 576 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: They used to come to EE gigs and we used 577 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: to joke a lot about his dad, you know, his 578 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: dad all it used to um come down on me 579 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: about I stole his cigarettes and I'm like, come on, Dad, 580 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: I don't even smoke. Well not them, not that, No, 581 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: And you know we always had a big joke about 582 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: that and roging them always had a big motor home 583 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: because Dad had it going on. Now Dad had it gone. 584 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: Um he was in construction and you know he didn't. Yeah, 585 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: they still have a big construct like they invested in 586 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: they have, they had it, they had it going on. 587 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: Out of all the bands they had it going on 588 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: with music or without it, you know, um, and so 589 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: you know, um, we always made uh, it's kind of 590 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: like a pledge to each other that if I make 591 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: it first, you know I'm gonna reach back and grab you. 592 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: If you make it first, you reach back and grab me. 593 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: That was our whole thing. Catfish didn't let me forget it, 594 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: you know when we messed around started making it cast. 595 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: They don't forget about rodding now. And that's when we started. 596 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: You know, I was like, okay, let's where they're playing at. 597 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: Cat always was in tune with the street. You know, 598 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: he always knew all yet the mother they playing up 599 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: in dating to night. Let's roll up there. You know, 600 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: we're jumping in the limo, or we was big timing 601 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: like a mug. Then you know, we're jumping the limo 602 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: right up. Called Roger, come on, man, come on jumping 603 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: the limbo. Let's wrap, man, let's wrap. We can get 604 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: this deal man. You know. So we talked about it 605 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: and they was all up for it. Next thing you know, 606 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: we're arriving the studio United Sounds in Detroit City today, 607 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: I'll say United Sounds. Yeah. What was the United Sounds like? 608 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: Was it just a regular studio to you or just 609 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: was there anything magical about it? I hear that it's 610 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: it was a magical play and for well, I guess 611 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: I would have to say it's a magical place because 612 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: that's where I found myself. Yeah. Yeah, I would have 613 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: to say that because, um, when I when I first 614 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: started going there, you know, it was like the engineer, 615 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: you know, he he hate to see me coming because 616 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: I always had some kind of pedal to hook up. 617 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: And you know, he's like, man, you know, because he 618 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: was used to doing like Motown stuff. You just plug 619 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: it in and play, you know, just come on in 620 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: and throw that in the wall as in it, you know. 621 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: But I'll come in, you know, I'll be figuring out 622 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: my my gadgets, you know, trying to get this sound. 623 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: And he's like, why do you just play the part? 624 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, no, man, you don't understand. See 625 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even understand what I was doing. I was 626 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: just trying to get some different things going on, you know. 627 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: And and so I would have to, um, always hear 628 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: this going into the studio, I wouldn't know. I would 629 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: have to deal with Jim. Jim. Jim is his name 630 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: Jim Vitty, I would put him one. Yeah, Jim Vidy 631 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: was a smash though, man, that mug. You know. Once 632 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: he called on to what I was doing, he was like, 633 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, is that all the pedals you've got? You know, 634 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: he's like ring up, rang on, you know, because he 635 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: started understanding, Oh, I see what you're doing. So since 636 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: you're mentioning engineering the collapse or all people, Jim how Yeah, 637 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: because the electricogy wasn't harmonizer, the even tad harmonizer and 638 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: even even time and uh a m what was that thing? 639 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: A m s uh did the only sample for a minute? No, 640 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't even a minute, it was five or ten seconds. Yeah, yeah, 641 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: that was you know Jim Jim Betty came up with 642 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: that vibe and is that y'all clapping out in the studio, 643 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: you know, all out in the studio clapping at the 644 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: same time, you know, and it's making that Beasley brothers 645 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: once told me that in your hands. Yeah, they put 646 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: their hands in the bucket and then start clapping. But well, 647 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that that might work for them, but 648 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: not for years. You know, we just all went out 649 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: and just clap, you know. So how were you surprised 650 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,879 Speaker 1: that how your your your catalog slowly started to come 651 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: back into fashion, uh in the late eighties, and you 652 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: know what, quesse Um, I was never really surprised. Yeah, 653 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean on the reel, you know, I was always 654 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: kind of just looking forward to the experience. And when 655 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: they started sampling and stuff like that, it was like, oh, great, 656 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: I got it, you know, great, I'm glad somebody really 657 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: like about I'd rather you like my favorite use of sample. 658 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I heard it in high 659 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: school and it was like, what the fun is this? 660 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: When the first time you heard it and were asked, 661 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: is it cool? Can we use this? Well? Actually he 662 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: played it for me um before it even came out, 663 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, and to get the permission. Yeah yeah, and 664 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: you know we were just yeah, not even a question, 665 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: just right, just go ahead and hit it, you know. 666 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: And you know what, we wasn't even really getting paid 667 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: at that point, you know. So it was more for me, 668 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: it was more about the re birth like he was 669 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: talking about, because when you started doing in concert, then 670 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,400 Speaker 1: it's like who this is? Where? Yeah? Yeah, So for 671 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 1: me it was you know, it was more of that. 672 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: And then James, I think was the first one that started, um, 673 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: you know, what do you call sowing and uh for 674 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: the samples and stuff. But George and I was pretty 675 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: cool with you know, they legendarily cut great deals like 676 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: the I think the not just needy uh rate was 677 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: I think half a penny in the album's old. Yeah, 678 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: because George's theory was like it was like, let's sell 679 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: it for cheap and then everybody will come and use us. 680 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: So in comparison, I'm wondering where James would charge. Oh James, 681 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean he's not let picture two hundred dollars a 682 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: week for gas for gas. He is just just with li. 683 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely went back to, you know, get 684 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: his money. But I think he also realized that you 685 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,839 Speaker 1: know where the bridge being buttered now you know they did. 686 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: State just absolutely encourages it. And I'm like, well, you 687 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: don't know, like James round has been sampled years now. 688 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,479 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, anytime you when you use it. Here's 689 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: some more things at this point in your career, like 690 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: where's most of your money coming from? As it shows, 691 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: is it like publishing royalties on your records? I don't 692 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: know when this money coming from. I mean, you know, uh, 693 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,240 Speaker 1: and I think by me not caring, it just comes. 694 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: And that's the way it's been all my life. So 695 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: you have a very trusting individual in your life. Well, 696 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: it ain't like it ain't like trusting. It's more like 697 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: I depend on the one period, you know, and the 698 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: one is bigger than music. The one is all of us. 699 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: It's the essence of all it is. And so that's 700 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: what I depend though. You know, it's no religion, you know, 701 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: it's it's no nothing, it's no color, you know, it's 702 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,360 Speaker 1: the one. Whatever that one is. Our minds can't grasp 703 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: what it is. And so I don't even try to 704 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: figure it out. I never have. Yeah, I never try 705 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: to figure it out. It's like, oh, that's what it is, Okay. 706 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: So you've done some collaborations with with a lot of artists, 707 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: Like people might know you, uh, the the Light Project, 708 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: but there's one particular, this one particular project I will 709 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: never for the life of me when it happened. You 710 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: were in calling me badge man. You if you remember 711 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: the if you remember the very beginning sketch of Fat 712 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: Cat Fantastic One, They're like, like, I thought I was 713 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: on a roll, but what what what? What? Dank what 714 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: Frank Dank and Diller are talking about? And Chance? Yeah, yeah, 715 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 1: they did it on the Soultry and Awards the night before. 716 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: And even I was like, wait, is Bootie playing with 717 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: Cody back? Like he's on the album too, But you know, 718 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: I think too. What I was doing was trying to 719 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: get prepare myself to get back into band, you know. 720 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,720 Speaker 1: And it wasn't It wasn't so much as Who's band. 721 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: It was like let me see where I can fit 722 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: in clowning. I mean it actually made sense, made the 723 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: lottery like that. I don't but that's when they were 724 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: hot kind of that time they were hot after I 725 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: want sec okay, and it just seemed like I said, 726 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: how the one takes care of me? I mean with 727 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: delight now, I mean of all times, of all people 728 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: and house music, you know. Even George said, man, you 729 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: can't do that really? Yeah? Yeah, And and then I 730 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 1: invited him to the gig he came to get He said, 731 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: oh I see, I get it. I mean all this 732 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 1: festival and all of them jump him. He was like, Okay, 733 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: I get it. This is all making sense. Now you're 734 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: taking chances because I was wondering when I heard you 735 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: were doing something with Billy Ray Cyrus. I was like, yeah, 736 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: then I'm like, okay, this this is Booty. He on 737 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: the one he taking a chance. You never know what 738 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: could come out. I don't want to do it with 739 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,399 Speaker 1: who you would think I would worry. You know what, 740 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: I forgot We all the stuff we did together. I'm 741 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: totally forgetting. So Booty and I want did uh they 742 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: like read did the Monday Night football theme and that 743 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: it was me and Boots, a little Richard, a whole 744 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: bunch of bunch of people. But one of the craziest 745 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: moments was on break, Charlie Daniels starts playing the p 746 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 1: F on catalog. I didn't realize how deep into soul 747 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: music Charlie Daniels was, and he was ending up the 748 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: whole fact that like, oh y'all underestimating me. Yea, yeah, yeah, 749 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: I know my people, but I mean he was doing 750 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: like like good to your ear hole like, and I 751 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: was like, what the hell? I did not know that? Yeah, 752 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: these teople were just jamming like but you know, you 753 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: know what's funny too, is I run into a lot 754 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: of cast today't you know you ain't supposed to be 755 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: really down with and I find out that they know 756 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: more about you than you do undercover. Yeah yeah, and 757 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: it's like wow, you know, so you're living leg You're yeah, 758 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: you're a timeless, living legend. Well, you know, like I said, 759 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: I didn't get into it to be to be what 760 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: that is, because I don't even know. But I'm just 761 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: glad to still be able to you know, to sit 762 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: there and be amongst people and to vibe the good 763 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: vibe because it's so much mess. You know, it's so 764 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: much mess that's going on, and you know, just to 765 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: be able to use your platform. That's what um. I 766 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: feel like, whatever I have done, I want to use 767 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,839 Speaker 1: the platform for these young mugs that's coming up now, 768 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: because they don't they didn't get they didn't get the 769 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 1: platform to play live music like we did. You know. 770 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: They you know, they got an iPhone. They got an 771 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: iPhone and that's all they need, you know. But we needed, 772 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, we needed to be able to touch and 773 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: feel people, you know, and have those private moments, you know, 774 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: because you can't even have a secret now, ain't nothing private, 775 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: you know, you can't even get lost that A question 776 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: about the record UM Instant Replay by Michael Wait is 777 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: that you playing on that I produced to it. I'm 778 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: trying to think another lost song, right right? I remember 779 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: the record, but I can't. I have to hear the 780 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: song to know if I'm playing on that. Okay, you 781 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: know that's how. But you didn't produce that, okayaking from 782 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 1: that side, I love that record looking from the inside 783 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: of I had that tape. My question, you got everything? Man, No, 784 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: we're just nerds. Man, quays are the the Glenn go inside? 785 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: Were you on that? Okay? But the boys is bad man, 786 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: Jersey Man, Come on, Mike, wait when when? When when 787 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: Paul uh? Bill Paul? I was like, I'm thinking from 788 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:37,240 Speaker 1: Bill Gate's former partner using experience in so Paul Allen Paul? 789 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: When Paul Allen uh reunited you guys to do the 790 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: uh you guys as in uh the j b S. Yeah, yeah, 791 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: what was that? Was that the first time that you 792 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: guys played together? And well, what you mean it's like 793 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:03,959 Speaker 1: all of us? Yeah? Actually that was um as far 794 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:12,360 Speaker 1: as um all of us like country yeah, the original crew. Yeah, yeah, 795 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: that was definitely the first time, you know, and check 796 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: this out, um, you know, so you know they asked James, 797 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, now we got your original band. You know 798 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 1: cats here you know. Now, uh, why don't you want 799 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,279 Speaker 1: to play with them? Yeah? Yeah, he didn't want to 800 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: play with us, and he didn't play with us, so 801 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: we had we went on before him, throw it up 802 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: all right, mind you playing his stuff, mind you? And 803 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 1: then he came on with his band and you know, 804 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: people kinda yeah, they kind of saw him later. What 805 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: did he say to you? Did he speak to you? Oh? Well, 806 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: you know, he came into room, come on in, you know, 807 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: and what men a cat? Do you know? We get 808 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: a mugs sitting in the middle of us, right because 809 00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,439 Speaker 1: we like them headphones. You know, It's like we get 810 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: the mugs and in the middle and we were that 811 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: mug out. Then we started cracking on and what's with 812 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: the shoes? Man? So you know, we had a we 813 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: had a thing where we didn't even think about, you know, 814 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: like what we're gonna do. It's like Mr Brown want 815 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: to come in and see y'all, Yeah, come out, There'll 816 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: come on in. Then I'll move over. Cat, move over. 817 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,799 Speaker 1: Jay's gonna sit right there. And we put off because 818 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, he ain't used it in hugging ship, you know. 819 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: So you know, we first thing he do is he 820 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: sit down hugging then he gets all uncomfortable. It's like, yeah, 821 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: that's exactly the way we want you. Now. So is 822 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: there anything that you've not done that you wish you 823 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: could do? Or what I've not done? Is you scored 824 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: a movie? I forgot even Super super Bad? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 825 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't well actually, um that was Clyde was there, 826 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,279 Speaker 1: Jabbo um and Bernie. Bernie was real okay man catfish 827 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: um actually mash up all Stars. Yeah, yeah, it was 828 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,719 Speaker 1: really that was a cool time. Now that you mentioned it, 829 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 1: I got some some great tapes of Jabbo and Clyde, 830 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, um during during that session. I mean yeah, 831 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: and we got the video I got taped. I mean 832 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 1: they were they was killing. It was killing. They was kidding. 833 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: I know, I already know already. What does your archives 834 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: look like? Because you know there's a lot of your 835 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 1: show was like on YouTube or whatever. But like you know, 836 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: you know what I do quit, I just I just 837 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: stack stuff, you know, And it's just like my music. 838 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't go back and listen to it. I just 839 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: know I got it. Yeah. Yeah, because that I think 840 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: that's coming. It's coming around, you know, because everybody's really 841 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: asking me, and I got It's so many different artists 842 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: that's been through there that you know, like, for instance, 843 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: Bobby warmack Man. People have no idea how bad that 844 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: boy is on the guitar, you know, and I mean 845 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: singing he's killing it, but the guitar he's killing it 846 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: even more. And I got these tracks that we did 847 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: when we did the record before this one, and you know, 848 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: he brings you in. It is this spiritual thing with Bobby. 849 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: He just brings you in and whatever he's feeling, you 850 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,439 Speaker 1: feel it. Um. Actually, you mentioned Bobby wool Matt, which 851 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: made me think of Reason, which made me think of 852 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,240 Speaker 1: him recording in the same students. There's a ride going on. Yeah, okay, 853 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: can you as honest as you can be about it? 854 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:37,919 Speaker 1: What was that miniature Sly period like when Sly kind 855 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: of joined yah? Because the thing is that I know 856 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: that during that p Funk Earth tour or which fingers 857 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: the funking telling oh no no, was Motor Booty fair 858 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: seventy he I know that he was opening for you guys, 859 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: and you know George Adamore a few records. It was 860 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: just okay. But every time I look at the footage 861 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: of any old footage of Sly in the p Funk era. 862 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 1: I gotta wonder how much of a psychological part of 863 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: my French mind funk that was for him to like 864 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: him as a captain kind of he has to go 865 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: down to minion status and he's opening for me. Yeah, 866 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: how how awkward it was that period. I know that 867 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: had to be really stupid, really for him, and it 868 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 1: was felt stupid to me. I don't I can't speak 869 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: for nobody else, but I know that you know, you 870 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: guys had nothing but love for him, and he's like 871 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: my hero and you know, Uh, to actually see him 872 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: going through that at that time, I thought it was 873 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 1: good because at least he had came back out of 874 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: his shill, you know, So I thought that part of 875 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: it was good. But the agony that I can feel 876 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: that you know, was coming from him to to have 877 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: to do that to get his legs back, you know. Uh, 878 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: I know that agony too. I felt that I felt 879 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: that before feel that. I can't say exactly when I 880 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,919 Speaker 1: felt it, but I know I've had I felt that. 881 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: You know, who was the artist that you were looking at? 882 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: This kind of you saw is if not the next 883 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,479 Speaker 1: you but well, well it didn't necessarily have to be 884 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,920 Speaker 1: in that same way that that it happened. It's just 885 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 1: that feeling I've felt that before. You know, I would 886 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: that's what, Okay, that's news to me because I would 887 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: still feel as though you are still Bootsy unmistakably Bootsy Collins, 888 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: Like your your presence is such if you're if you're 889 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: standing with Snoop, if you're doing stuff with you know, 890 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Rapp for the moment whatever, and you know, millennials aside 891 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: somebody news that's Booty Collins. Whereas I'll tell you when 892 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: it was Slide was kind of stup I know. Now, Um, 893 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: this is one of the times, um, when you're when 894 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: you're playing to an audience that don't have a clue 895 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 1: of who the hell is this mother standing up there 896 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,600 Speaker 1: with you know, got you know, the starglasses on and 897 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 1: the mugs don't have a clue of who you are, 898 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 1: and all the mugs is on this show. It's like, 899 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:52,000 Speaker 1: what do you call um funkatis from from what you know? 900 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,919 Speaker 1: That's the time that you feel like damn, I mean, 901 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's like and it ain't got nothing to 902 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: do with the artists. This has something to do with 903 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 1: they don't know and it ain't nothing you can do well, 904 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like, you know, it was their fault. 905 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:27,240 Speaker 1: This is why we have But that's that's you know, 906 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 1: that's the closest time I think that i've you know, 907 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: that kind of feeling would come out. It's like, you know, 908 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: when you come on and you know, these mugs supposed 909 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: to know something. Somebody's supposed to know something and they don't, 910 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but but then you know, me 911 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,920 Speaker 1: being a man of the world, I kinda understand why 912 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,439 Speaker 1: they don't, you know, um because funk was a bad 913 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: word when we first came out, you know, and they 914 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,960 Speaker 1: wanted us to two interviews on the radio, but they 915 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 1: didn't want us to talk about funk. So I understand 916 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 1: that stupid part, you know, like, how are we gonna 917 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: tell you all about what the funk you know is 918 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: about if we can't say funk? You know, So right there, 919 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: that was so stupid, you know. And then it was 920 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,040 Speaker 1: the people that drove it home that made him realize, 921 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: hey man, you better you know, y'all better catch you 922 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 1: up because the people going for it, you know, the 923 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: people was in it, you know, they was in it 924 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: already and the DJs and you know, the radio, it 925 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 1: was like, no, we can't play that ship. You know, 926 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,760 Speaker 1: they got airplanes and the records and you know, alarms 927 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: going off. You know, we can't play that on the radio. 928 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: You know. So you know, we had seen that that 929 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: story before. And I also think it's on us because 930 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 1: we just can't take for granted that someone's good. If 931 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: I say ash like you'll know what I'm talking about. 932 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you know there's sports events you see each 933 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,959 Speaker 1: one to teach one. Yeah, if you deserve and didn't 934 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:14,480 Speaker 1: at least teach twenty people about your playlist or whatever 935 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 1: it is on then I still blame the parents because 936 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: it was in my house where I learned about you know, yeah, 937 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't know what. But you know what, it's 938 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,480 Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot of kids that they get 939 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: it like that, and then you have a lot that don't, 940 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, So it's like, you know, so it's like 941 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,480 Speaker 1: you get the best of both worlds every now. And yeah, 942 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: you also have to look at the way people's music 943 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 1: collections are these days, like it's not necessarily a physical 944 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 1: object in your house, Like there's not a stack of 945 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: vinyl sitting in the corner of most people's houses thousand 946 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: records during this telephone right now. Yeah, it's current and 947 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 1: when you have access to that much you kind of 948 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,920 Speaker 1: lose context for it all. So so of course, let 949 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,560 Speaker 1: me ask you, how do you feel now, you know, 950 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 1: because you you have moved checked it out. Just let 951 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 1: me ask just let me have you have moved from 952 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 1: crates right and then just to have the availability, what 953 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,440 Speaker 1: does that make you feel like? I mean, you know, um, 954 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, I missed. I missed the I missed the 955 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:27,800 Speaker 1: immersive experience of record shopping, mainly because that was the 956 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,560 Speaker 1: bonding thing with my dad and I. My dad and 957 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I would go to the mom and pop store and 958 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,720 Speaker 1: just and he was a ben shopper the way I 959 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: am now. So you know, after school had a record 960 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,480 Speaker 1: store and just buy every forty five, every record. So 961 01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I missed you know, the the instance and the store 962 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: and you know, him playing this record in that record. 963 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,120 Speaker 1: I missed that experience. Um, we'll just think, just think 964 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:58,200 Speaker 1: about this. But on the other hand, I'm fully embracing 965 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: technology now and there's so much music out there on 966 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: the internet. I'm just overwhelming and I'm probably not even 967 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: going to get it. But you know, I you know, 968 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of a board for the ride, you know. Yeah, well, 969 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 1: I guess the same thing, the same kind of thing 970 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,600 Speaker 1: you're dealing with there. It's kind of what we're dealing 971 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:28,040 Speaker 1: with as well, you know, because the crate, you know, 972 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: the create is what we do, you know, that's the 973 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: creative music. And what they're doing now is they're making it. Well, 974 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to carry to create, you know. So 975 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: if you don't carry to create what you then they 976 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:46,040 Speaker 1: give you a replacement, you know, which the replacement you know. Yeah, 977 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's where the phone. That's kind of crazy, 978 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,320 Speaker 1: I know, but that's where it's going, you know, that's 979 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 1: where it's going. That's where it is. Yeah, all right, 980 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: are there any regret questions? What was your thoughts on 981 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: a ball first second? Yeah? I thought it was pretty 982 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean I liked it. You know, Um, 983 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew the rother b with you was. 984 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,600 Speaker 1: I knew that was all all um up in there. 985 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,040 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't sample, but they know they recreated 986 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: the way they heard it, you know. Um, yeah, I 987 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,280 Speaker 1: thought it was a great record. Bill. Bill might hint 988 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 1: that you're being diplomatic right now, but you know, let 989 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: me let me tell you, um, you know if you yeah, 990 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, thank you. Okay, I know why 991 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 1: now I'm a fan of that song. My partner George, 992 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,560 Speaker 1: he's actually, Um, what I understand is he's going after it, 993 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:58,760 Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know that's that's what George do. 994 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,760 Speaker 1: Because I was gonna ask was there a sample check 995 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: or they didn't sample they didn't sample it or interpret it. 996 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of what that was. I rather 997 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: be with you know. I thought that there was some 998 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,000 Speaker 1: clearance going on. You mean it was done and not 999 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:25,320 Speaker 1: even oh wait, I just no, no, not, I wasn't 1000 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: doing it at you. I'm like, but even were not 1001 01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,479 Speaker 1: called you? That were I was texting. I was like, yo, 1002 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,519 Speaker 1: I heard that. I was like, yo, he might be 1003 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,840 Speaker 1: in blurredins here. Here's the thing though, because we don't 1004 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,599 Speaker 1: have physical copies of it, nobody knows. I've never read 1005 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: the credits of that album, of that album. I've just 1006 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 1: heard the song naturally assumed. Oh yeah, they cleared that ship. Yeah. Oh, 1007 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,680 Speaker 1: everyone knows. This derivative of I'd Rather be with you. 1008 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: That was the debate because they said, remember, y'all said 1009 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:59,280 Speaker 1: a lot of millennials will not know where this comes from, 1010 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,040 Speaker 1: not credited as like co writers on that song or nothing. 1011 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:13,920 Speaker 1: That's okay, all right, anyway we're supposed to go. We're 1012 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,800 Speaker 1: supposed to go back to talk about this. What did 1013 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,600 Speaker 1: James think about your guitar? You never get that I 1014 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,160 Speaker 1: wrote it down? Oh my goodness. Okay. Uh that first 1015 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: night we played, I had that green silver tongue um 1016 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 1: guitar which I turned into a base and I played it. 1017 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the color of it was just 1018 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:43,719 Speaker 1: let me see if y'all got a green. Yeah, okay, 1019 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,200 Speaker 1: take this blue and neon green it okay, So that's 1020 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: the color of this base. Okay. And James looked at 1021 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:59,680 Speaker 1: that mama and he was like, son, son, ya he 1022 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,040 Speaker 1: this is what he would do, not not not, ain't 1023 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 1: gonna work, ain't gonna work. Done that thing you got there. 1024 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:17,240 Speaker 1: I can't ever be on my stage again, on my 1025 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,719 Speaker 1: stage else you won't. Did you stand out too much? 1026 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it was that. It's just he didn't 1027 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 1: under he wasn't he didn't know the story. He didn't 1028 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,880 Speaker 1: know that I was blessed, just that. So did he 1029 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,320 Speaker 1: buy you a base? He bought me a baby? Still 1030 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 1: have that ba? Actually I don't what was the story 1031 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,600 Speaker 1: about it turning into a sneak or the Yeah, I 1032 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,960 Speaker 1: heard that story too. That was what happened. Well it 1033 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:54,640 Speaker 1: actually I thought it was pretty good, but but obviously 1034 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,160 Speaker 1: other people that was looking thought it was bad. So, um, 1035 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,639 Speaker 1: what happened was, uh, Javis sign, look at your eyes 1036 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:10,280 Speaker 1: they're all read. I know you're doing them drugs. I 1037 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,800 Speaker 1: don't do it on your set. I do not, you know, 1038 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:22,840 Speaker 1: and anybody would be crazy outside of Catfish two, I 1039 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,639 Speaker 1: mean to do drugs on James said, with all the 1040 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 1: movements hits, I mean everything he did was a was 1041 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, And it was like, I can't be 1042 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,920 Speaker 1: high on this sand, you know even I know that, 1043 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, So you don't have to drill me on 1044 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: doing drugs because yeah, I'm gonna do them, but I 1045 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: ain't gonna do them on your set. So that's what 1046 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,280 Speaker 1: I told him. And every time he comment, look at 1047 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,200 Speaker 1: your eyes on and I'll be looking crazy. But it 1048 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,360 Speaker 1: would because of the sweat, you know, it's a sweat 1049 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and dripped him my eyes. Maybe I stayed up all night. 1050 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, with this, that and the other one and 1051 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, and all of that played into seven nights 1052 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,800 Speaker 1: a week. So every night he called me in that 1053 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look crazy. You know, it ain't gonna be 1054 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,360 Speaker 1: one good night. So he called me in, um uh 1055 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,880 Speaker 1: this one night, and that was after I had the 1056 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: snake experience. You know, I'm on stage, you know, because 1057 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,760 Speaker 1: I said, if he's gonna accuse me, I'm gonna let 1058 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 1: it be real. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take some Now, 1059 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,680 Speaker 1: let's to night. And so I might as well. I mean, 1060 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: he gonna accuse me anyway, So I took it. I could. 1061 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:47,120 Speaker 1: Now you're talking about recalling that night. I have no idea. 1062 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:56,920 Speaker 1: Nobody complained about nothing I played. You know, I don't 1063 01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,599 Speaker 1: even know how I got through that night. But I 1064 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:05,240 Speaker 1: wind it up in James room and you know, he 1065 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: said to me, come in, son, sit down, sit down, 1066 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 1: sit down over there, and he put me right next 1067 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: to him, I mean right next to him. You know. 1068 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I need a little room 1069 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 1: because I need you know, it's like I'm tripping, you know. 1070 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And I couldn't tell him that, but it's like, don't 1071 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, and see what he's so deep is he 1072 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: knew that I was tripping and he just gonna mess 1073 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,680 Speaker 1: my trip up. He's gonna mess it up. So he 1074 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: called me get real close to him because he don't 1075 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,479 Speaker 1: never have me getting that close, you know. So I 1076 01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,759 Speaker 1: got so close to him that when he was talking, 1077 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: I had to look at him, you know. And when 1078 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I looked at him, his face started like you know 1079 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,360 Speaker 1: how volcanoes look, the volcano with the stuff sewing out 1080 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,400 Speaker 1: of him. I started seeing his pores just you know, 1081 01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,519 Speaker 1: all over his face. And the next thing, you know, 1082 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,200 Speaker 1: I fell out on the floor, check it out, fell 1083 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:23,800 Speaker 1: out dying. Last he was so through with me, he said, 1084 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: no go get you ask he told he told the 1085 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,559 Speaker 1: bodyguards throw me out. And that was the last time 1086 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,479 Speaker 1: that he called me back in his room to talk 1087 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:41,759 Speaker 1: to give me a lection. Yeah, you know, because every 1088 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 1: night he would call me in the room to tell 1089 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,479 Speaker 1: me how bad I was, how messed up, you know, 1090 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 1: how I wasn't on the one son, you ain't got it. 1091 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,640 Speaker 1: You still ain't got it. And see we we be 1092 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 1: don't kill the people. The people be like damn them. 1093 01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,360 Speaker 1: Oh man, the mother. So you get all that wrap. 1094 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Then James called you in the back. Yeah, A son, 1095 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,280 Speaker 1: you ain't got it. You wasn't on the one tonight, 1096 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,559 Speaker 1: you know. So every day we went in there, that's 1097 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,560 Speaker 1: the that's the story I got. And you think that 1098 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 1: was where just kind of keeping your home with not 1099 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,519 Speaker 1: getting the big head, But check it out. It was 1100 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,080 Speaker 1: a little deeper than that. The more he said that, 1101 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: the more it made me want to practice. You know, 1102 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,840 Speaker 1: I never knew it at the time, but once I 1103 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,400 Speaker 1: got out of the thing and look back, I was 1104 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: practicing hard and a mug because I thought we wasn't happening, 1105 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,880 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't think he was doing it 1106 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,720 Speaker 1: for that purpose, I thought he I think he was 1107 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,960 Speaker 1: doing it just to wear me out, because that's what 1108 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,640 Speaker 1: he do, you know, he wear a mug out. But 1109 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,680 Speaker 1: if you take it in a positive way, you can 1110 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,200 Speaker 1: help your situation, you know. And that's why, you know, 1111 01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot of negative stuff to come down. Some was 1112 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 1: good for you, some of it will you know, if 1113 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,120 Speaker 1: you take it in a in a positive way, some 1114 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 1: of it will make you get on it, you know. 1115 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:13,160 Speaker 1: So that particular one made me get on it. And 1116 01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,960 Speaker 1: what nothing nobody could say that was deepen than James 1117 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,840 Speaker 1: Brown about you ain't on it, you know, because I 1118 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:24,800 Speaker 1: hear that voice all the time. I still hear it now, man, 1119 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,559 Speaker 1: you know, and it makes me want to do that 1120 01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: much better, you know. But I know the reasoning now. 1121 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 1: But then I didn't know why he was doing I 1122 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,360 Speaker 1: thought he was just doing it just to wear me out, 1123 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,439 Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, to make me throw my 1124 01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,599 Speaker 1: instrument down, you know, and say I can't handle it, 1125 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,320 Speaker 1: you know. But it made me grab my instrument more, 1126 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, and take a hold of that, you know. 1127 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,479 Speaker 1: And you know, and like I said, I don't think 1128 01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 1: he I don't think he was doing that on purpose. 1129 01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,599 Speaker 1: But then again he might have because James was deep 1130 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,120 Speaker 1: any other Now, I think I'm good for that, You're 1131 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: good for her. Um yeah, I think we covered it. 1132 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Random question that anybody, any styler, has ever tried to 1133 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,800 Speaker 1: get up in your business and be like, I think 1134 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:15,719 Speaker 1: I could do some things, you mean, stylish, but at 1135 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,559 Speaker 1: some point somebody was like, oh yeah, yeah. I mean, 1136 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, it was lots of lots of people that 1137 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 1: that did that, but well it was only a select 1138 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: few that would come in. And you know, I always 1139 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,360 Speaker 1: drew what I wanted, you know, because if I hadn't 1140 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,360 Speaker 1: been a musician. I was gonna definitely yeah, because that's 1141 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,240 Speaker 1: all I did in school was drawn. Well, I do 1142 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,000 Speaker 1: want to know, uh, how many starglasses do you have? 1143 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,800 Speaker 1: And have you ever do you ever go out and 1144 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,519 Speaker 1: disguise yourself by not dressing like you just so? You 1145 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,280 Speaker 1: gotta you know, you gotta go to Whole Foods and 1146 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,559 Speaker 1: get your bread. I had I had to figure that out. 1147 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, once you make that monster, you know, the 1148 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 1: monster turns on. I didn't find that out until it 1149 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: turned on me. You know that Bootzella we were talking about. 1150 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,280 Speaker 1: When that mom turned on me, I was like, I 1151 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,160 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I didn't know who I was, 1152 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, um, and when when he turns on you, 1153 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,519 Speaker 1: you just you know. So I had to find myself again, 1154 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,599 Speaker 1: you know, find out the William. You know. I had 1155 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,840 Speaker 1: to find William again, yeah, my mom William. I had 1156 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,280 Speaker 1: to find that boy that took out the garbage, now 1157 01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 1: go on out did take that garbage out? I had 1158 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: to find him again because I was so into boots 1159 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,040 Speaker 1: and Bootzala that I lost that boy, you know, until 1160 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 1: I came home one day and Mama slapped these same 1161 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,920 Speaker 1: glasses off my face and said, get out there and 1162 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,559 Speaker 1: take out that damn garbage. And I had all my 1163 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 1: friends with me. I don't do that no more. No, 1164 01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:01,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't say she had. That's exactly 1165 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,760 Speaker 1: what I did. I was fully dressed. She's like, you 1166 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,839 Speaker 1: better get you ask and then take out that damn cobbage. 1167 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,600 Speaker 1: She went straight to the garbage. She was talking to 1168 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:16,320 Speaker 1: William and that's where I found start to find William McGain. 1169 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: It's when she did that. Yeah, that's true story U. 1170 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,680 Speaker 1: The star glasses did they? Did they pinture that your 1171 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 1: nose are digging your cheeks? Star? Does that hurt it all? No? 1172 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,400 Speaker 1: It might, it might look like it. But actually that's 1173 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 1: a great question, Steve, you know. And then the other 1174 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,840 Speaker 1: part of the question is I got asked this a 1175 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:45,559 Speaker 1: few times too, Um what is the star glasses all about? 1176 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,000 Speaker 1: And the star period? Because your hat too? Yeah yeah, 1177 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:55,400 Speaker 1: and why um, why did you uh uh make your 1178 01:19:55,400 --> 01:20:01,439 Speaker 1: glasses mirror? You know? And my answer was I did 1179 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,680 Speaker 1: it in mirror, so who's ever looking at me? You know? 1180 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,560 Speaker 1: At the time, it was you know, it was a 1181 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of kids that would come to the show, and 1182 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, because I dealt with a lot of geepies, 1183 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:18,360 Speaker 1: the fans that the Funkadelic was too you know, older kids, right, 1184 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: But I saw getting the younger kids six and seven eights, 1185 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,320 Speaker 1: so I started calling geepies. And so I got these 1186 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 1: glad to start glasses so when the kid looked in 1187 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,320 Speaker 1: my eyes, instead of them seeing me, they see themselves. 1188 01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,720 Speaker 1: And that's yeah, that's beautiful now. But that that's that's 1189 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,679 Speaker 1: what this was all about. And with the base, if 1190 01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 1: you notice the first space basis got the mirror on 1191 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the you know, as a bodyguard. And what what I 1192 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,080 Speaker 1: did with that was I wanted the lights when they 1193 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,880 Speaker 1: when they hit me from the stage, I wanted those 1194 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,040 Speaker 1: lights to hit the base and bounced off the base. 1195 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,120 Speaker 1: So all of that, now, all of that was thought out, 1196 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,840 Speaker 1: you know. Now, I'd admit most of the stuff we 1197 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,200 Speaker 1: never even you know, but the glasses and the image, 1198 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,679 Speaker 1: I was alway. I was already on that in school 1199 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,000 Speaker 1: when I when I said I was drawing a lot 1200 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,960 Speaker 1: in school stick Man with the star glasses, with the 1201 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,200 Speaker 1: star base. That was the beginning of it. I didn't 1202 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: know that I was gonna wind up actually being that guy, 1203 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:30,240 Speaker 1: but that's what came to me, you know. So you know. 1204 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: And then when George gave me the opportunity to to 1205 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,240 Speaker 1: uh front the boot the Booty Rubber Band, It's like, oh, 1206 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960 Speaker 1: I already know what I'm gonna do. I gotta find 1207 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,160 Speaker 1: somebody to make these stock glasses, and I gotta find 1208 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,680 Speaker 1: somebody to make the star bas and I was on 1209 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 1: a mission. Well yeah, Willien Earl Booty Collins, we thank 1210 01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:59,320 Speaker 1: you very much for I never knew I remembered all 1211 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:05,320 Speaker 1: of that stuff. Man, Jesus, that was more in our 1212 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,519 Speaker 1: bargain for. I don't think you remember these stories. Um yeah, 1213 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,800 Speaker 1: those ones there, but a lot of stuff. I don't 1214 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,760 Speaker 1: have a clue. We won't ask you about those stories. Yeah, 1215 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 1: just want to record because they're all over your hands. 1216 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,559 Speaker 1: You are scorpio. Yeah, okay, alright, oh yeah, you know 1217 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,639 Speaker 1: he will be twenty three next month. Anyway, I wanna 1218 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,200 Speaker 1: be half of Boss Bill Unpaid Bill, find cig a 1219 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,639 Speaker 1: little sugar Steve Like it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, um 1220 01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:40,320 Speaker 1: persistent this quest Love and my brother Boucy and Collins. 1221 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go. All right, Yeah, let's why 1222 01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I see you in the next go round. Question Love, Quess, 1223 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,799 Speaker 1: Love Supreme. It's a production of Heart Radio This classic 1224 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:11,120 Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at pandoram. 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