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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Shoe, Caddy arm.

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Speaker 2: Strong and Jet Taking and he Armstrong and Catty Strong and.

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 2: Why do you look so surprised?

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Speaker 4: Katie is a joke about her new eyebrow tattoos, which

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Speaker 4: she mentioned during the show. So, I don't know anything

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Speaker 4: about eyebrow tattoos. You're going to get them today? Is

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Speaker 4: this a common thing? Why do you do it? What

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Speaker 4: does it cost? I need all the ins and outs.

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Speaker 5: It is relatively common. There's a few different ways you

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Speaker 5: can have it done. You can have them tattooed. There's

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Speaker 5: something called micro blading, which is similar to tattooing. And

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Speaker 5: so I'm doing the tattooing.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned that one of the reasons you want

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Speaker 4: to do it is so you don't have to tattoo

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Speaker 4: yourself every day before you come to work. Those those

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Speaker 4: eyebrows I'm looking at right now aren't real.

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Speaker 5: They they're I mean, I have eyebrows, but I need

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Speaker 5: to fill them in regularly, and they they don't line

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Speaker 5: up properly and it drives me nuts. So yeah, I

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Speaker 5: draw them on every day at three o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 2: They don't line up properly. No, they don't.

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Speaker 5: One like starts farther back than the other and it

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Speaker 5: just dies. I'm so sick of it.

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Speaker 2: You're a monster. I can hardly look at you. Uh

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Speaker 2: huh wow, bridge troll. But eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: Eyebrows are hair, So isn't it gonna look like Groucho

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Speaker 4: Marx's mustache.

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Speaker 5: No, So they they do the tattooing and microblading in

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Speaker 5: hair strokes, so it's it's a very fine needle and

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Speaker 5: they go in and they actually make it look like hair,

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Speaker 5: so it'll look somewhat natural. But the healing process is

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Speaker 5: going to be hilarious.

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Speaker 3: So are you gonna be wearing like big Yoko Ono

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Speaker 3: sunglasses tomorrow or what?

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Speaker 5: I was debating a hat, but I'm not too sure

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Speaker 5: how close I can get to, so I might just

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Speaker 5: have to let you guys stare at them.

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Speaker 2: Look at your open wounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, losing open wounds above your eyes.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited about this.

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Speaker 5: I know it's it's probably sounds insane to you guys,

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Speaker 5: but the process of drawing them on and messing them

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Speaker 5: up and having to go back and redo them it's

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Speaker 5: just at thirty five, I don't know how to draw

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Speaker 5: my eyebrows on.

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Speaker 2: So this is going to be a huge time saver. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well where do you get that?

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Speaker 3: Will?

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Speaker 4: They move with your face like you you can look

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Speaker 4: surprised her it's on her skin.

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Speaker 2: Nine.

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Speaker 5: No, they're like floating, so they stay while the rest

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Speaker 5: of my face is animated.

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Speaker 3: It's like a filter on Google.

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Speaker 2: Means. Ah see, I've never been a party girl.

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Speaker 3: So all of this is to me, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like a tribe in the Amazon that's had no contact

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Speaker 2: Your ways are foreign to me. Well, not problems you

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Speaker 2: guys would have. No, No, you guys both have great eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm I am someone who started mediocre at best started.

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Speaker 4: Dyeing his goatee now and then, so I understand the

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Speaker 4: need to uh do something to your face.

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Speaker 2: What is this going to cost you? It's five hundred dollars? WHOA,

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Speaker 2: But it's permanent.

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Speaker 1: M h.

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Speaker 5: It's permanent, which I mean if you think about it,

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Speaker 5: if you get a tattoo, like a really good one,

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Speaker 5: you're getting up in that range especially, you know, and

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Speaker 5: this is the permanent makeup. So I mean, people get

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Speaker 5: their their eyeliner done, which I can't do. People get

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Speaker 5: their lipliner. My mom did her eyeliner and her lip liner.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea how she let a needle that

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Speaker 5: close to her eyeball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know some people that have done those, and

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Speaker 4: I don't dig it. So maybe there's probably, like everything else,

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Speaker 4: there's getting a really good version of it done and

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Speaker 4: not as good version depending on price. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I've known some people that did the permanent eyeliner thing,

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Speaker 4: and you just you look a little like a raccoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, it depends. You can always add more, you

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Speaker 2: can't go full.

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Speaker 3: I'm Courtney Love at a nightclub to start, I think, right.

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Speaker 5: But I am taking a risk because I mean, I'm

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Speaker 5: praying to all that is holy that it doesn't get done,

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Speaker 5: and I hate it.

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Speaker 2: The eyebrow makes more sense to me than the eyes

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Speaker 2: or the lips.

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Speaker 3: Actually, oh yeah, unless some sort of shaven headed look

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Speaker 3: becomes super hot in the future.

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Speaker 2: I mean, women shave their eyebrows, shave their heads just the.

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Speaker 4: You don't notice what eyebrows do for your look until

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Speaker 4: you don't have them. When I was doing chemotherapy and

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Speaker 4: I lost all my hair, and my eyebrows went away.

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Speaker 2: It's it makes you look weird.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and people are shaving them off right now as

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Speaker 5: like a trend. Yeah, there's a girl I follow on

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Speaker 5: Instagram who shaves her eyebrows off only to draw them

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Speaker 5: back on every day because she doesn't like how they're placed.

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Speaker 2: Oh so she wants me in a different place. This

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Speaker 2: is real life, guys.

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Speaker 4: Do we know why human beings have eyebrows?

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Speaker 2: I think it's just.

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Speaker 3: Part of the whole keeping stuff out of your eyes,

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Speaker 3: be partly just to catch stuff that would fall in

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Speaker 3: your eyes, and partly for sensory reasons. Because where you

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Speaker 3: have hair, anything that touches it, even though it hasn't

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Speaker 3: got your actual skin yet, you become aware.

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Speaker 4: Of animals kind of have eyebrows. You can feel them,

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Speaker 4: like on a dog or whatever.

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Speaker 5: The Google is telling me that eyebrows help protect our

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Speaker 5: eyes from bright light.

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Speaker 4: Advisors, you gotta have a pretty heavy brow for that

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Speaker 3: Damn cave many quick question, Katie, So if you do

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Speaker 3: not like these, is there a way to get them

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Speaker 3: removed at all?

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Speaker 2: Or is it permanent? No matter what?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean there's a there's tattoo removal. But no,

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty much screwed if I don't.

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Speaker 2: Like, do you have to choose a color? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So, and the woman who does this is fantastic. I've

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Speaker 5: seen a lot of her work, so I'm I'm very

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Speaker 5: excited about this. But she's going to go in look

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Speaker 5: at the color of my natural hair and do all

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Speaker 5: and line them up and.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't normally ask this, but is that your

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Speaker 4: natural hair color that we see every day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I'm like a dirtyish blonde.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, So a lot of women have to spend

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Speaker 2: Is naturally, that's handy. Yeah, okay. Then you get your

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Speaker 2: eyebrows to match. I got it.

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Speaker 3: And if you hate the look, you can just start

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Speaker 3: wearing a sweatband a headband like John McEnroe in the

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventies. Which is my third count the third out

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Speaker 3: of date cultural reference this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 4: So now we are in the uncomfortable position since we

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Speaker 4: know you're getting this done.

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Speaker 2: That we have to tomorrow say, oh, it looks great. No,

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Speaker 2: you don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that. If it doesn't work, I need.

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Speaker 2: To know, so, oh please, not going to be me.

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Speaker 3: Besides, you know, a couple of my kids have a

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Speaker 3: handful of tattoos, and so I know it takes a

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Speaker 3: while before it looks good. There's the whole healing process.

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Speaker 3: Although with that microfid needle you're talking about, it might

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Speaker 3: be different. So I'm expecting you to look like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: They said that there can be bruising and that it

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Speaker 3: Is this gonna is gonna have to have a card

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Speaker 3: to hand out? No, there's no domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: Right, no kidding? Have they told you is this gonna

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Speaker 2: hurt more than a regular tattoo? I've been told it's painless.

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Speaker 5: Apparently she puts this lydacane cream over them and then

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Speaker 5: lets it sit for a while and does it mind.

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Speaker 2: My mom had it done and.

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Speaker 5: Said that she didn't feel a thing, So I don't

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Speaker 5: know if that's my sweet mother trying to comfort me

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Speaker 5: or if it actually is painless.

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Speaker 2: Are you a piercings person. Yeah, I have tattoos and piercings.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so this is not unfamiliar to you this

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of getting a hairline tattooed, like in roughly

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Speaker 3: the color of my hair as it is now, kind

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a hard no on that, Joe,

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Speaker 2: don't do that.

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Speaker 4: Could I get my bald head like tattooed to make

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Speaker 5: That is a thing that people are doing. Yes, Oh,

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Speaker 5: I've seen that. There is actually a business that just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might do that. That is doable. I could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just knowing you, you'll like read the first paragraph

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Speaker 3: of an article about it, then try to do it yourself.

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Speaker 3: Problend the money. I'll lend you the money.

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Speaker 2: What color hair Jack, would you would you be a

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Speaker 2: redhead or would you.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, I don't remember what color my hair was.

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Speaker 2: You can get the pattern.

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Speaker 5: You could just get a stripe down the middle so

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Speaker 5: it looks like a little moha.

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Speaker 4: Well okay, well we look forward to seeing how this

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Speaker 4: turns out tomorrow. Maybe we'll post pictures at the website.

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Speaker 2: You could take a poll. Do these look like Armstrong

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Speaker 3: This is the Armstrong and Getty Show, featuring our podcast

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Speaker 3: One more Thing, get it wherever you like to get

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Speaker 3: podcasts Chris author Abigail Schreyer, who's written a bunch of

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Speaker 4: But anyway, this particular aspect, given my dislike of most

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Speaker 2: So I read this article in the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 4: The title was the Chess Master Trying to propel Google's

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Speaker 4: and it can answer the questions of hey, but what

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Speaker 4: do I do? If you know, if a client says this, well,

443
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Speaker 4: this is what you do because it knows more than anybody.

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Speaker 5: Have you guys heard about the uncanny Valley with with

445
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Speaker 5: this AI and the robotics and whatnot.

446
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Speaker 2: It's it's a part of our brain.

447
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Speaker 5: That gets really uncomfortable when you start getting into that

448
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Speaker 5: area where it's kind of a human but you know

449
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Speaker 5: it's not a human.

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Speaker 2: Henry was having that problem. What's that called? It's called

451
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Speaker 2: the uncanny Valley?

452
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Speaker 3: Wow, Henry, is the basis of so many horror creatures

453
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Speaker 3: in horror movies.

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Speaker 2: You make it almost human. It's disturbing to us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Henry was having that and he said, I'm this

456
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Speaker 4: is gonna give me nightmares tonight.

457
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a cool genre of horror that's like blowing

458
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Speaker 5: up right now, especially because these robots are popping up

459
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Speaker 5: all over the place and kind of give people the ick.

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Speaker 4: The facial expressions on this robot were the most disturbing

461
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Speaker 4: part is that it would answer, you know, a kid's

462
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Speaker 4: question or an adult's question, or whatever, and just the

463
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Speaker 4: facial expressions like looking interested and then wow, that's interesting

464
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Speaker 4: and puzzled and just and not like cartoonishly interested or puzzled,

465
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Speaker 4: but like an actual human being.

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Speaker 2: It was weird.

467
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Speaker 3: So at the risk of senning, like a guy calling

468
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Speaker 3: some sort of sex line of the past, what was

469
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Speaker 3: the hot bot.

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Speaker 4: Wearing like a sex spot like a unitard oh sort

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Speaker 4: of thing. So it had bare legs even though they

472
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Speaker 4: were gray, like the color of carbon fiber.

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Speaker 2: I mean, was it not like carrion gray, but like, there.

474
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Speaker 3: Are many hues of humans around the world, and we're

475
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Speaker 3: all deserving of love, Josh, but gray is generally reserved

476
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Speaker 3: for the dead.

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Speaker 4: She was shaved headed, but like really well built, attractive

478
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Speaker 4: woman and very pretty and uh and obviously if you

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Speaker 4: want to go that direction, and it is Las Vegas,

480
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Speaker 4: they will have those with blonde hair or brown hair

481
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Speaker 4: or whatever hair color you prefer, doing whatever you want

482
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Speaker 4: to do over there.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's at some point they may already they

484
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Speaker 2: might already. Yeah, yeah, that's a different level of where

485
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Speaker 2: it's on. It. It's an extra you can tack onto

486
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Speaker 2: your room.

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Speaker 4: But having seen that and having Sonja Putai or whatever

488
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Speaker 4: his name is, say, this is going to be as

489
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Speaker 4: big as fire or electricity. Even if he's half right

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Speaker 4: with what I just saw, we have no We human

491
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Speaker 4: beings aren't ready for what's about to happen.

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Speaker 2: True, I believe that to be true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there could be a sharp turn unlike any other

494
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Speaker 3: sharp turn, Yeah, right ahead of us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm old enough that I'm gonna catch it,

496
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Speaker 4: you know, at the tail end of my life and

497
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Speaker 4: have to adjust. My kids are going to grow up

498
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Speaker 4: in a world that I can't even imagine. Now, they

499
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Speaker 4: can't imagine. I have no idea what's the best way

500
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Speaker 4: to prepare them for it. Neither does anybody else.

501
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, he says, brainstorming his screenplay, the third world is

502
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Speaker 3: going to send wave after wave of millions of armed

503
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Speaker 3: people to come and take it right because they're still

504
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Speaker 3: without as we the developed world will be basking in

505
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Speaker 3: the wealthy glow of the AI affluence that's coming our way.

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Speaker 4: I had one more question I had to ask Katie,

507
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Speaker 4: And this is just about the way some people dress

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Speaker 4: in Las Vegas. Women who are dressed crazy like I'm

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Speaker 4: a stripper outfit in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: That is what is going on there mostly.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, that's just like the Vegas club attire.

512
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Speaker 2: So that's just the vibe. If you're going to go

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Speaker 2: to a club.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have a really short dress that you're

515
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Speaker 5: not too sure where you could ever wear it, you

516
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Speaker 5: take it to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's true.

518
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Speaker 4: It doesn't stand out as weird there whereas it would

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Speaker 4: at the company Christmas party or certainly Easter Sunday services.

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Speaker 3: Right, but yeah, they don't put on your whe where

521
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Speaker 3: for Easter Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Kidding.

523
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Speaker 4: But even if you went to a bar or something, yeah,

524
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Speaker 4: dressed like that, you'd stand out as what But there

525
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Speaker 4: are so many women dressed like that there, Like, how

526
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Speaker 4: do you even walk in those shoes? You're if you

527
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Speaker 4: you know, don't bend down to pick up your keys

528
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Speaker 4: or I'm gonna you know, my kids are gonna be

529
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Speaker 4: exposed to something.

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Speaker 2: It's just I just wonder, what was I just?

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Speaker 3: I think people enjoy escaping their workaday lives and they

532
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Speaker 3: get to be somebody different.

533
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Speaker 2: Cool, cool. Then what happens there stays there is. It

534
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Speaker 2: famously said it's.

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Speaker 4: Tough to walk through those casinos with a couple with

536
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Speaker 4: a twelve year old and a fourteen year old though

537
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Speaker 4: that's just the two boys.

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Speaker 2: It's like educational. If I hadn't walked through there, I

539
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: was just thinking about this.

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Speaker 4: If my dad had taken me through there when I

541
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Speaker 4: was a fourteen year old boy, Holy crap. I did

542
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Speaker 4: never stopped thinking about it. I never saw stuff like

543
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Speaker 4: that in real life. At age fourteen.

544
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Speaker 3: I had to run off and hidden behind a slot

545
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Speaker 3: machine and an attempt to stay there permanently. He'd still

546
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Speaker 3: be there, exactly, go ooching around like Gollum in the shadows.

547
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised. I'm surprised.

548
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Speaker 4: At some point I didn't say where's Sam, and Henry

549
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: says he's back there, and he just locked up, locked

550
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Speaker 4: up with his eyes wide.

551
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Speaker 2: Too much, too much.

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553
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554
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Speaker 2: Find it wherever you find all your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'd never run into the concept of a personality higher

556
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Speaker 3: before the Wall Street Journal was writing about this.

557
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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard this term, Katie?

558
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Speaker 3: Just out of curiosity now as you are, I have

559
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Speaker 3: not Younger and hipper, so as the Journal describes it.

560
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Speaker 3: If you get further on charm than skill, and you

561
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Speaker 3: carry a workload light enough to float atop your bubbly demeanor,

562
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Speaker 3: then you might be a personality higher. And this has

563
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Speaker 3: actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly, likable employees who might

564
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Speaker 3: not be that great at their job or even work

565
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Speaker 3: that hard, but employers are so desperate for any sort

566
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Speaker 3: of joy and camaraderie in the workplace they're hiring these people.

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Speaker 2: They call them personality hires.

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Speaker 4: Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly minor personality

569
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Speaker 4: Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.

570
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Speaker 4: I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.

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Speaker 4: I could see hiring them because of their personality, because

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Speaker 4: they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when

573
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Speaker 4: they're around, I can tell, just because of their personality.

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Speaker 2: Well, here are a couple of facts. In this case.

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Speaker 2: They're also to stop it.

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Speaker 4: But I would I would like I would have hired

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Speaker 4: this person if they were not quite as competent as

578
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Speaker 4: person X, just because their personality the kind of place

579
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Speaker 4: that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, well here they quote.

581
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Speaker 3: They start off the article quoting this one gal who's

582
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Speaker 3: definitely not a personality hier. She's a very matter of

583
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Speaker 3: fact person, just gets craped done. But she said, oh,

584
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Speaker 3: some people actually proudly advertise themselves as personal personality hires

585
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Speaker 3: on LinkedIn. By the way, interesting, so they quote this

586
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Speaker 3: gal who's not that and finds it very annoying and described.

587
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Speaker 4: Now you're like me. We kind of, we kinda bitterly

588
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Speaker 4: are resentful against people who are like that because we're

589
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: not and they're adotizing it. Though that's what I'm like.

590
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good

591
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Speaker 5: at my job, but I'm funny.

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Speaker 3: Leave that first part unsad, but she cites she worked

593
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Speaker 3: with a personal personality hire in a previous job. Though

594
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Speaker 3: fun to be around, the person eventually generated resentment, didn't

595
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Speaker 3: really pull her load, and after winning a promotion, prompted

596
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Speaker 3: several coworkers to quit.

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Speaker 2: There's just too much.

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Speaker 4: Well I would I would think if they're not good

599
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Speaker 4: at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.

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Speaker 2: But I'd never thought about this before.

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Speaker 4: I could see hiring somebody, you know, if you're going

602
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: to weigh them on a bunch of different things. Man

603
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: lump in the hole brings the room up as opposed

604
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Speaker 4: to down, so bosses want the warm and fuzzies. Is

605
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Speaker 4: the mood at work is generally sour. One third of

606
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Speaker 4: US employees say they're engaged in their jobs, only a

607
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: third near an all time low. Half of workers say

608
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Speaker 4: they feel a lot of stress.

609
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: Half interested in new jobs are actively applying with so

610
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: many lonely, unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for a good

611
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Speaker 3: workplace energy. They say camaraderie is hard to build on

612
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: hybrid schedules, so they prize upbeat employees whose energy is

613
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Speaker 3: hopefully infectious. Then they quote a bunch of people and

614
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: recruiters from various industries and saying, yeah, we really, we

615
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Speaker 3: really need more people.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I

617
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Speaker 4: don't like in a long long time. But when I

618
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Speaker 4: worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain

619
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Speaker 4: people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,

620
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Speaker 4: it was awful.

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Speaker 2: Right, Or if they quit, everybody who's like, I can't

622
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Speaker 2: do this so right?

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Speaker 5: I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it

624
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Speaker 5: more appealing to come back into the office too, Like

625
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Speaker 5: after COVID.

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Speaker 2: That's got to be a factor. Sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, But anyway, there's this comedian Gal who has

628
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Speaker 3: done a couple of bits about being a personality higher

629
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Speaker 3: that I think are brilliant and illustrating what it is

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Speaker 3: all about. Our name is Vienna Ailah and it's clip fifteen. Michael,

631
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Speaker 3: So what's the.

632
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Speaker 2: Project about today?

633
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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys say if we need to get an extension? Yeah,

635
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Speaker 2: we can't call Greg. He's so scary. Greg is our CEO.

636
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: I'll call Greg, of course, are you sure? Yeah, let's

637
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy, Hey you where

638
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Speaker 2: are you? How are your kids? I didn't know that.

639
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: So I was doing the school production Annie.

640
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Speaker 3: She's playing Annie.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg when

642
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: I asked me presentation. Yeah, Greg, you.

643
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Speaker 1: Know I'm that saying.

644
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Speaker 2: You're talking Annie with you all day? But Greg, I

645
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: have to ask you something.

646
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Speaker 1: We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.

647
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we's such plays next week. I don't want

648
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: to come to Nannie.

649
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: Back to the important stuff. Where are you?

650
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Speaker 2: I'll come me he right now. Let's freaking eat it

651
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: fri ocean talk Annie.

652
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Speaker 6: My guy. I'll be right back, Okay, thank you, thank you, Greg,

653
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Speaker 6: I'm coming to you.

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Speaker 3: And then there's an other bit where they have the

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Speaker 3: permit revoked for an event at the last minute, and

656
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Speaker 3: they're like, oh my god, the only way we could

657
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Speaker 3: deal with this is to like have the mayor on

658
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Speaker 3: our side.

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Speaker 2: She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in

660
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Speaker 2: abs class. I'll call her right now. She cos, hello, girl,

661
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Speaker 2: what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.

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Speaker 3: Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.

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Speaker 2: The ass she's.

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Speaker 3: Just a schmoozer and a networker and that sort of

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00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: super uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell

666
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: without the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: know anything about the project. Then she gets on the

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00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for

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Speaker 3: again to our coworkers?

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Speaker 2: An extension? Oh right, right, very She goes into that.

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Speaker 2: So it's a parody, obviously, but that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: I never I don't think enough attention is paid to

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Speaker 4: like chemistry in a group of people for work.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.

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Speaker 4: They should and now in the modern world of boy

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Speaker 4: that like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure any of that translates to zoom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. I meant to talk about this

680
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: on the show. Maybe I will.

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Speaker 3: But I was talking to my son, who's just about

682
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Speaker 3: to turn thirty, and he was talking about and he's

683
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Speaker 3: been a performer of various sorts for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: He's a musician and a gifted actor who decided not

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Speaker 3: to act. And it's fine, but he said, coming out

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Speaker 3: of COVID, the very thought of performing just seemed enormous

687
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Speaker 3: and terrifying and overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: Just so, and it's worth mentioning he lived.

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Speaker 3: He lives in Oregon, which is so cultish in it

690
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: or was in its adherence to every COVID policy, and

691
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: as a show of hating Trump, they wouldn't let their

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Speaker 3: children play with other children for a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: And it's just devastating to so many people who so

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Speaker 3: many ages, even people in their twenties. It's horrible anyway,

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Speaker 3: speaking of people who have difficulty communicating and communing and

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Speaker 3: looking people in the eye and the rest of it.

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Speaker 3: Man COVID Deco declan my son said to me, He said,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people who are really damaged

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Speaker 3: by it, and they're not healing very quickly.

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Speaker 5: Was it just the act of having to go out

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Speaker 5: and perform again, or were there people that weren't going

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Speaker 5: to the shows? What made it so much more difficult

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00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 5: post COVID, Well, because everything was so locked down. You

704
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Speaker 5: just you had like your roommate and you would interact

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Speaker 5: with maybe somebody at work if you were allowed to

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Speaker 5: work a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.

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Speaker 3: Obviously not that bad, but I know.

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Speaker 4: A couple of people who talk about that dark period

710
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: where they didn't have any communication and they would, you know,

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Speaker 4: struggle to have any opportunity just to like wave to

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Speaker 4: another car far away.

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Speaker 2: All right. I didn't live that way.

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Speaker 4: So I.

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Speaker 3: Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent

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Speaker 3: musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at

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Speaker 3: one point that he felt bad for his kids because

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Speaker 3: his kids hadn't had a playdate or hugged another child

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Speaker 3: or whatever.

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Speaker 2: For a year. I wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Fly to Portlandia, where he resides, and punch him in

722
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Speaker 3: the stomach, and and just to wake him up and

723
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Speaker 3: say what are you doing? And all the dad about

724
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Speaker 3: children and being fine was out there, all of it.

725
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Speaker 3: But you had to virtue signal how much you despise

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: Trump by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And and

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Speaker 3: Declann lived in the midst of that. And anyway, sorry

728
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Speaker 3: to get started on that stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's a well, no, it's a reality a lot of

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Speaker 5: people are dealing with still.

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Speaker 2: And that's why his company needs a personality hire.

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Speaker 3: Things up a little bit full circle Armstrong and Getty