1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: But Angela, yee, I'm here, and Jasmine brand is here 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: with me, and samras Sin is here representing a place 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: I've never been to. Murphresboro is how you go? 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you even said it was a little bit of 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: actually Murreeboro. Yeah, Murphysboro, Tennessee. Yeah, describe that place to us. Okay, 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Murphy's Boro is middle Tennessee. It's about forty five minutes 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: southern Nashville. Okay, it's very green, it's very beautiful. It's 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: still in the city. It's not like super Country. It's 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: still in the city. But everybody has a front yard 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: in a backyard and it's a population. 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: Like, let me look, it's not New York. Let's say 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: that because you have a front yard in a backyard. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when we travel places, we think 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: anybody with a yard, it's like a nice neighborhood. When 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I go other places, I can't tell, like what's a 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: good neighborhood and what's a bad neighborhood. If you have 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: a front yard, I'm like, that's a good, nice house. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: So they have about one hundred and seventy thousand people, Okay, 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: so that's not bad. 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: And to be clear, too, our was our I was 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: born in Murphy's bro My whole family is from Tennessee. 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: My mom was born in Memphis, raised in Murphy's Borough. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: My sister raised in Murphy's Borro. My dad was born 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: in Harem in Tennessee. So my whole family's from Tennessee. 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: But my dad joined the military when I was born, 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: So I stayed in Murphy's bor for my childhood and 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: then well some of my childhood, and then we were 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: on the road. So we went to Georgia and Texas 29 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: and Hawaii and Colorado, and by that time I was 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: going to college. 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: So how is that making friends moving around? I was 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: just thinking that. 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 4: It was. 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: It was hard, but it was easy at the same time. 35 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: It's not a good answer, but I think it It 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: gave me more pros than it gave me Consay. 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 4: I do see people. 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: Now and I'm like, dang, they have like childhood friends 39 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: since they were little kids, or like a lot of people, 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: especially like living in la now and even being in 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: New York, like a lot of people, their personality deep 42 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: rooted in their environment where they're from, and I feel 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: like I didn't get a lot of that. We had 44 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: a southern household for sure, but it's like my identity 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: to like I had to figure it out as I 46 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: was going. It wasn't like I could be like, yeah, 47 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: like I'm from New York and like this is my 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: vibe and you know what I'm saying. Like it was 49 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: very uh. I think that was the struggle of it all. 50 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: But I know how to make friends. I know how 51 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: to talk to all different types of people. I'm very 52 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: open minded to different cultures, and I got to see 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: a lot of things that a lot of people don't 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: get to see. I do take pride in the fact 55 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: that I didn't have to live in one spot my 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: whole life, Like I was able to venture out and 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: like see things and talk to new people. 58 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: So I always regretted that I really lived in New 59 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: York like forever, you know, because I was born here. 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: I still live here. I moved to Jersey, which is 61 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: right here, for a little while, and then came back 62 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, and I'm like, damn, I wish I wouldn't 63 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: lived more places because I feel like it makes you 64 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: more well rounded. 65 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: Like yeah, but it is funny because you say that, 66 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: and I've said before, like I wish that I had 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: like a place that I was like, yeah, and that 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: was it, and that was I come back home and 69 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: that's the place, and and everybody knows, like you know, 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: when I'm coming home, I can see my friends, and 71 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: it's like a more sense of like community and things. 72 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: I feel like I've had to learn how to make 73 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: wherever I'm at home, and how to make wherever like 74 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: a community. Wherever I'm at is your family still Tennessee. 75 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: Half of it is your parents, Yeah, my mom. My 76 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: mom still lives in Tennessee. My sister, and my niece 77 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: and nephews and my extended family for the most part 78 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: all live in tennes See. My dad retired in Colorado, 79 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: and I have an aunty in Miami. 80 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Who else is from Murphysborough that we would know from Murphysboro? Yeah, 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if there's anybody that's your life when 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: this person comes back home, no putting it on the 83 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: map a. 84 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: Little yeah, well period, Okay, thanks. I think that's what. 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna do, because now it's brings attention and that 86 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: makes you like a hometown here too. 87 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's like most people that are coming out of 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Tennessee that are propping off right now from Memphis. 89 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are, there's a lot, but not yet. 90 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and even Chattanooga had like Isaiah Sean. 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: And that'shit people. How long have y'all known each. 92 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: Other Isaiah Shot? 93 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just well, we met each other a few 94 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: times before we met. 95 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: Each other, if that makes sense. And so it was really. 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: Earlier this year, and when we went on tour, that's 97 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: when it's like we actually had like conversations that were 98 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: like solid conversation. 99 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: How did y'all link up to go on tour together? 100 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: It was actually through a booking agency. I wasn't signed 101 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: to the bookage agency yet, but it was just a 102 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: really good fit. And we were at Coachella actually at 103 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: the time, and we were talking to them and she 104 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: kept being all vague about it, but she's like, oh, 105 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: you know what she would be really good with and 106 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: they're talking about it, and I'm sitting there like, and 107 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm a huge Isaiah Shot fan. I was literally I 108 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: went on tour with him in. 109 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 4: March to June. 110 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: Is that your first tour? 111 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 4: It was? It was? 112 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: And uh, but like right before that, in October of 113 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: the previous year, I went and I bought meat and 114 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: greet tickets to his concert. 115 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: Because I'm like, yeah, and I went by myself. 116 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: And figured somebody that could lick it. 117 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: But I like that, Yeah, I want to go. 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: Like he at the time, he was doing The House 119 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: is Burning, which is like, I know it's his newest project, 120 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: but it's my favorite project of his. 121 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 4: And nobody would go with. 122 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: Me because everybody was busy, and I was like, man, 123 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: I'm going and I'm getting the best. 124 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: Ticket, Like yeah, I went by myself, moving around and. 125 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: She's nervous to be by yourself by yourself, Yes, absolutely 126 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: that all the time. 127 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 4: Of course, take yourself. 128 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: On dates, no to but yeah, I went to the 129 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: concert and I had such a great time. I was 130 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: in the front row, and I like, I was just 131 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: so hype and then so the full circle moment coming 132 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: back and getting invited to the tour and like medium 133 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: I remember it was the first day that I was there. 134 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: They had been on tour this whole time. 135 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: And Ray Vaughn comes in my in my dressing room 136 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: and he's just chopping it up. 137 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: He was so nice, so welcome me, so warm. 138 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: And Isaiah Shad gets there and I'm still kind of 139 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: like starstruck a little bit, you know, and he comes 140 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: in he goes, oh is this her? 141 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: And I'll be like, you know who I am? Yeah, 142 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: but it was really cool. 143 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: What did you say at the meet and greet? Did 144 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: you say anything or just take a picture and kept 145 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: it moving? 146 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I should say this, but 147 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: when he first came out, so his meet and Greece, 148 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 2: so are kind of like you get to go witness 149 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: his sound check. Okay, so he kind of he stands 150 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: on stage, he'll come out into the crowd and stuff. 151 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: But from mine, he stood on stage and he like 152 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: talks to y'all and he'll go run through his sound 153 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: check and it's kind of like a group thing. You 154 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: don't really meet him one on one. It's like the 155 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: whole group sits there and we talk and we take 156 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: a picture. And I fought for that like front barricade spy. 157 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: And he came out. He was eating corn chips and 158 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: as soon as he came out, he goes, oh, you 159 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: are gorgeous. 160 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: You do you want a courtship? 161 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: He let me put my way hand and he's damn 162 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: chip bag and I was like, yeah, I want to 163 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: court I don't eat cordu. 164 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love these full circle moments. And you also 165 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: your vais sounds already like you're a singer, like you 166 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: have what do you do that? Yes, he's got young 167 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: and I see a lot of people giving you the 168 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: code signs too, so that has to feel good. Who 169 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: was the first person that say retweeted you or posted 170 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: you that you were like, oh my god, I can't 171 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: believe this. 172 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: The first one is crazy because this year has been 173 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: such a blur. I've had so many great people reposted. 174 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: But you know that first one is always like damn, I'm. 175 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: Just like, what's happening? Probably Eric abad and you. 176 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: Get the America Baddode kind of like genre type of 177 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: thing where people like she's like kind of like when 178 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: they try to figure out how to categorize you or 179 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: describe you, they'll be like, she's a. 180 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: Combination of yeah, this, that and the third and yeah, 181 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: I get I get Aeraba Do not as much as 182 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: I get a lot of others, but I get Aericaba 183 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: du sometimes as well. I get Ladybug Mecca a lot, 184 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: which was like planet Yeah, yeah, that's dope. 185 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: I like that. 186 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought of that. 187 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, So those are probably like two of 188 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 2: my favorite Okay, comparisons that I get if I had it, 189 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: if I had to get one, it would be like 190 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: those ladies for sure. 191 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: Now I got to ask you, how do you know 192 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: how to freestyle the way that you do? Was this 193 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: something that you just would be practicing in the car, 194 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: because I know you know the jive home that could 195 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: be a way to freestyle. But how do you know 196 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: how to? Like? How did you practice that? Was it 197 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: something you've been doing since you were young, knowing that 198 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: one day you want to be an artist? 199 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 200 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: I started making music in college, so I started making 201 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: music two thous the nineteen I had no idea that 202 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: this is what I wanted to do. Even when I 203 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: started doing it, I didn't know that this is what 204 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to do. But with the freestyle stuff, y'all 205 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: want to know, my greatest secret is that I write. 206 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: I am a writer. I started in poetry and open 207 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: mic slam poetry and things like that. And uh, I 208 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: like to think I think too hard to just be you. 209 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: You might say exactly, you do be saying some stuff, yeah, yeah, unfiltered. 210 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what that might be like. 211 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: I really I get too nervous to like go on 212 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: like a sway in the morning and try to freestyle. 213 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: But but you were so you were a poet first. 214 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 4: I was a poet first. 215 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: I could see that. 216 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. I grew up in like a like well, I 217 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: liked the the brave new voices and like those types 218 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: of like shows and things like that, and it wasn't 219 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: until college. 220 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: That I was kind of like introduced to like a 221 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: world of that. 222 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: So I used to I went to college in Arizona 223 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: and there was this event in Phoenix. 224 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: They still have it. 225 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: It's every Wednesday, and it's called Poetic Soul, and that's 226 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: kind of like what I started going to to like 227 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: get my poetry off and at the university already get 228 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: my poetry off in and even with poetics. So I 229 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: went and I did slam poetry for like the first 230 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: few times that I went, because I was too nervous 231 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: to perform a song. And yeah, there's a lot of 232 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: autis and uncles in there, and there was like yeah, yeah, 233 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: exactly exactly, sigarlongs and things like that. The band will 234 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: come and like you'll play your track and like twenty 235 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: seconds into your track, they'll unplug your track and the 236 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: band will like pick up your track. So man, it 237 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: felt so good to be in that space. It was 238 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: such a cool place for community is in Phoenix exactly. 239 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: It was like the only place every week that like 240 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: black people would get together and it would actually be like, oh, 241 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: I didn't notice many black people was out here, like yeah, yeah. 242 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: All right now. Alicia Keys also gave you the co 243 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: sign said she posted fresh. 244 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: Man, which is wild. That was one of the big ones. 245 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Naves had posted a picture as well that was recent. 246 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: I was like yesterday, but yeah, at least you Keys 247 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: because I mentioned her name in the in the and 248 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: legend dry person in the fact that she's seen it 249 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: and like I felt enough to comment on it was 250 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: really cool. 251 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: Listen and we told you before you came here in here. 252 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: The video center just came out so we had a 253 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: chance to watch that. First of all, I love that 254 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: song because it's very like, what's the cheeky? Is that 255 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: a good word? 256 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good word. That's a good word. I'm propping. 257 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: I'm propping some some issue, you know what I'm saying. 258 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: So where did that come from? Because it feels like 259 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: you it's kind of like a I can't please anybody, 260 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: so everybody. So I'm gonna just do me and whatever 261 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: you want to think about me, it's all good. 262 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 4: That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. 263 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 4: And like. 264 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: I always say, like if you take in too many 265 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: grains of salt, then you're gonna end up with high cholesterol. 266 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: So like keeping she's a poet, ladies and period keeping 267 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: opinions at Bay, I feel like we have to learn that. 268 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a point too in your career 269 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: all the time. 270 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking about it actually over the weekend. 271 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: I was telling someone because they were like, I don't 272 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: know how you do it, like all the criticism Robinson 273 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: when we were at Robinson at his liquor store, and 274 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I was telling him. I was like, at the end 275 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: of the day, you have to realize that when you 276 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: get to a certain place where you're like, look, I've 277 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: done some things that are amazing, there's some people who 278 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: are like me, some people who won't, and there's nothing 279 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: I could really do about it, Like when I'm gonna 280 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: do sit here and worry about it, just keep doing 281 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: my thing. And I think when you're able to look 282 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: at certain markets of success, like who can say I 283 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: had nas post me. I had Alicia Keys, I had 284 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Erica Bado say this. I'm on tour with Isaiah Rashad. 285 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: I got my project coming out. People love me. I'm 286 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: two million views on my freestyle. A lot of people 287 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: will never be able to say that, and people who 288 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: have criticisms about that. A lot of times it's people 289 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: who are not really happy with what they have going 290 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: on in life, and it makes people feel better about 291 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: themselves sometimes to say something negative. And so Jasmine's an 292 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: EmPATH and so am I. So we just feel bad 293 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: for that people. 294 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually that's the right way to do it. Yeah, 295 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people are going to come 296 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: on what you're doing. But it doesn't matter what you do. 297 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: We see it all the time, Like a lot of people, 298 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: uh will comment on say conscious music and be like, oh, well, 299 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to have to think while 300 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm listening to music. 301 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: I just want to buy my head. 302 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: But then if we see it on maybe like any 303 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: other like like you know, different types of rap music, 304 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, it's so ignorant. You cannot make 305 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: everybody one. 306 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: And you know you, I think you do both too, 307 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: which is fun, Like you can do some fun music, 308 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: but then you also are conscious. But that's how everybody is. Right. 309 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes I see you dancing and singing the sexy Red 310 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: and then. 311 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: And do and then we hear the. 312 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Grains of might get your high cholesterols. But that's what 313 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: life is, right where both we're. 314 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: Just different moods. Like what type of music do you 315 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: listen to? 316 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: Mainly She's gonna tell you dance hall, and you also 317 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: like old school? Like I like old school music. I 318 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: like R and B. I actually love listening to women 319 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: hip hop artists. Yes, that is like you know, when 320 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm in my car, if somebody puts something out, if Lotto, 321 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: if you know, Sexy Red, if Glorilla, if dolgiacate all 322 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: of them. 323 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm typed in. 324 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, I think like there's just different moods, right, 325 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: So like if you're in a type of mood where 326 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, I'm I'm listening a lot, or I'm 327 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: listening to sexy, I'm listening to all this, like I'm 328 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: in a mood that doesn't make it my entire personality. 329 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: It's just like my mood is that I'm in this 330 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: type of vibe. I want to listen to this because music, 331 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: whatever it is, gonna make you feel something. So like 332 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: sometimes I'm in the mood where I want to listen 333 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: to big steppers, Like I'm not always in that mood though, 334 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: Like sometimes I want to get busy. 335 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 4: If we're on the way to the club. 336 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm not playing you know, uh Eric, 337 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: if I do, I'm not playing it on the way 338 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: to the club. I'm playing it on the way home 339 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: from the club. 340 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: When I try to work to get myself in the 341 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: moon because traffic is so bad in New York when 342 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm driving to work, I have to listen to mellow music, yes, 343 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: because it calms me down, like while I'm driving to work, 344 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: because I already know, let me get ready to sit 345 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: in the car and traffic for an hour with stupid 346 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: people driving around me and acting crazy. So I gotta 347 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: do that because if not, I'm gonna be on edge. 348 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: And so sometimes like music can really like calm me 349 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: down while I'm in a car, like vibing out to it, 350 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: and it can get you hyped too, it can. 351 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on this new thing now where like I 352 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: have my radio station in my car like defaulted to 353 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: the classical station. 354 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I. 355 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: Don't want to hear words here. I need to be 356 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: a meditative state. If I'm in this car like LA traffic. 357 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ride at home or do you write 358 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: better in the studio? 359 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: It depends low key. 360 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: I feel like my creative process is fluid, So I 361 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: love cookup sessions. So I do like sitting there and 362 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: as as I'm with a producer that's making a beat, 363 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: like I can sit there and see like where it's 364 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: going and find new schemes as he's doing it or 365 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: she is doing it, I can sit there and like 366 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: cook up from scratch as well, like not come in 367 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: with any agenda. That's probably like the most freest way 368 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: that things come out. But there's also times where I've 369 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: sat down for three four days and like really sat 370 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: with something that I was writing, and it comes out 371 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: really really good, really good. I feel like more conceptual stuff, 372 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: I have to sit with it. But when I'm just 373 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: going in, I want to get a feeling out, Like 374 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: the most honest way that it comes out is if 375 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: it's on the spot and in person, in present. 376 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: What was happening in your life when you wrote Centers. 377 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: Ooh, center, I was I was at Disney World. I 378 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: was at Disney World and. 379 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: I had just like started forming like my team, and 380 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 2: I felt very confident, and the freestyles were out and 381 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: I was getting a lot of comments on the freestyles. 382 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: And we got in there and we went through a 383 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: beatpack that Power Trap had sent us, and that song 384 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: came on and it was so cinematic, and so I 385 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: kept doing yeah, yeah, like this like this voice that 386 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: was just like cheeky. 387 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 4: I guess, like I don't know. 388 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I was like, we'll work. 389 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: It was a chicky boy, and yet you can kind 390 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: of see like even from the freestyles, like green Eyes 391 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: was very much so about I don't really care what 392 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: y'all were saying about me. And I don't know if 393 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 2: I was saying that for them or for me, but 394 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: it was very much so that in like this whole 395 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: journey over this past year, it's like more people are 396 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: seeing it, more people have something to say, I'm making 397 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: heavier business decisions, and more people have something to say, 398 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: like not just an audience that's receiving the music, but 399 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: like people around me that are helping me get the 400 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: music where I needed to go. And I think Center 401 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: was like I felt really confident in what I was doing, 402 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: and I just need to get off the feeling like 403 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: I know where I'm trying to go and I trust 404 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 2: myself more than anybody to get me there, you know. 405 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: And so. 406 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: Knowing that y'all are going to say something about what 407 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: I do, either way, I do it. So let me 408 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: do what I want, what I want to do, and 409 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: get through the way that I feel is necessary. It's 410 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: very formulaic, Like the music industry. 411 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 4: It feels like. 412 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people tell you that there is 413 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: a way to like blow up. There is a way, yeah, 414 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: they'll say, to do. 415 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: TikTok, there is a way to do Always trying to 416 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: figure out algorithms and how many bp ms will help 417 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: you get it just takes away. 418 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: But why can we Why are we having a hard 419 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: time right now as a as a society, like feeling music. 420 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: It's too too mathematical. 421 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: Right people are trying to figure out how to monetize 422 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: and how to make sure that something will get Yeah, 423 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: it is. 424 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: And at the base of all that, you got to 425 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: think about people and like what people want to feel 426 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: and what people would would feel like that connects with them. 427 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: And so I've had a lot of moments where I 428 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: had to balance being a student and like trusting my 429 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: team to leave me the right way, but also like 430 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: being headstrong in the fact that like I'm a people 431 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: person and I love music, and like this is what 432 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: I feel is best for us to do, for me 433 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: to do, and like following that. So Center was just 434 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: like me. It was just maybe an example of me 435 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: trusting myself and being like, look like we're born centers. 436 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: Any either way, nobody is gonna. 437 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: That we all have. It is what it is exactly. 438 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: And you direct all your videos. Yes, okay, so you 439 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: did that one too, So let's talk about the video. 440 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: It has a little bit of a cowboy outlaw yeah 441 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: to it. 442 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the production really that like took it there. 443 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: And I've always I've always wanted to. I've made songs 444 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: before where I was like, man, it would be dope 445 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: to do this on a horse. And I was telling 446 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: one of my main videographers his name is Cosmo. He 447 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: comes with us on tour and like he's just a 448 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: really cool dude, and I was talking to him about it. 449 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: I was like, but where the hell would I get 450 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: a horse from? And he was like, I know a horse. 451 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: Yeah they do content, Yeah, exactly, concrete Cowboy. It was 452 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: kind of like I was like, I want to keep 453 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: it southern and not too like western, you know what 454 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I want to keep it southern. So 455 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: I got Tim Zone on the damn horse and we 456 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: went out like I tried to keep it in a 457 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: neighborhood that was still like we were walking on the 458 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: asphalt and not like roads, and you know what I'm saying. 459 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 2: I didn't want to go full old town road. But yeah, 460 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: so once he said he knew a horse, I was 461 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: like cool, like all right, sit down, Yeah, let's sit 462 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 2: down and like really play this out, like I just 463 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be too complicated because the 464 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: the vis that I dropped priors called Chrome, and it 465 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: was the first one that I didn't direct, and my 466 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: friends Hannan Hussein and Nasa they directed it. It was 467 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: the first time that I was able to be like, Okay. 468 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: How get you into it? Okay, my gosh, I'm so 469 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: freak go ahead. 470 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: A little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I feel like 471 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: I have to be right now. This is a foundation, 472 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 4: like we gotta. 473 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Care about listen. I think that when you care about 474 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: your craft. No one's gonna care about it more than 475 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: you do. And if people don't see how much you care, 476 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: they won't care either. If they're working with you, they 477 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: got to see how much of a perfectionist that you are. Absolutely, 478 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: but then you also have to learn how to sometimes 479 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: let go. 480 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: Let go. 481 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: Do you get input in terms of writing on your 482 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: project or is this all you? And also and also 483 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: what do you do when you get writers black or 484 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: do you get writers black? 485 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: I get writers black all the time writing the songs. No, 486 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: like I didn't have any writers in on the songs. 487 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: I did have a lot of like producers and like 488 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: the executive producer on the projects in his Buddo, the 489 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: conversations with the people in the studio helped me, helped 490 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: guide me to. 491 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: Where I got to go. 492 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: So their input definitely impacted me a lot. Like even 493 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: if it's like, oh, it would be cool to do this, 494 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: and it's like nah, but it would be cool to 495 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: do this, Like that gave me an idea and like 496 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and like their input was 497 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: really was really great. So I like writing for other people. 498 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: I have a hard time because of the because of 499 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: the control issued to have people come in and write 500 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: for me. 501 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: But sometimes we're tired about writing for other people as 502 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: you want it done a certain way and they'll interpret 503 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: it their own way, and that can be hard too, 504 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: because you're like, that's not what it's supposed to sell. 505 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: But when you go in as somebody else's room, it's 506 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: kind of like the pressure is off, right, because this 507 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: is whatever you want it to be, you know what 508 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 509 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 4: So for like, a good writer is able to detach 510 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 4: their ego from. 511 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Me, so you do write for other people. 512 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the writing camps and things like that. 513 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: Yeah right, Oh that's dope. 514 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: When did you realize this was going to be a 515 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: viable career because I know you had jobs you were 516 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: in school. What jobs did you have? 517 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: I've had so many different jobs. I've worked at the 518 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: bowling alley. 519 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: What did you do at the bowling alley? 520 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: I was no. 521 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: I wish I was spraying shoes, I was. I was 522 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: a party planner, so I was maybe sitting people's name kids. 523 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: What Yeah, I was a party planner, so like, yeah, 524 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: good the kids. 525 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, she's like the control things. I don't 526 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: know how that went. 527 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: I had a hard time with kids, even my niece 528 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: and nephew. I'm like when my sister first had she 529 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: had her first born and they would try to hand 530 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: him to me, and I was like, I don't exactly, Like, yeah, no, 531 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: it's too important, too fragile for me. 532 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, I like kids, but just like other people kids. 533 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Right, all right, So bowling alley. Where else did you work? 534 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: I worked? 535 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: I worked at the VA Center on campus. When I 536 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 2: was in school, I was at TA. 537 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: Oh you probably was a cool TA. 538 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah I was. I felt like I was a cool k. 539 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: My mom is a teacher, so I like I had 540 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: a channel my enter Mama Henderson. Yeah, for sure, I 541 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: would like literally, I felt like her voice would just 542 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 2: be my voice whenever I was teaching. But yeah, I 543 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: did that. When COVID was a thing, I did a 544 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: lot of admin jobs. So when COVID was a thing, 545 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: I drove COVID vans. I don't know if y'all know 546 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: what that is, but it's like when when COVID was 547 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: at the height, a lot of like displaced and homeless 548 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: people didn't know what was going on. So in the 549 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: homeless shelters, if somebody got COVID, like what do you 550 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: suppose you can't just kick them out? 551 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 4: So they would. 552 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: I would transport people to like quarantine hotels and to 553 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: quarantine there, which was a wild. 554 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: Jobs scary job too, because you don't know if you're 555 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: going to get it, get it or yeah, yeah, did 556 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: you get COVID during that time? 557 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: I did it. 558 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: I've never had COVID? 559 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: What wow? Ye, well, don't worry, it's still going around. 560 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: Don't worry. You don't get it. 561 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: So I had it and not known. Did you get 562 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: to go ahead? Yes? I sure did. I was Where 563 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: was I in Baltimore? I was in Baltimore, remember that 564 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I hate you from Atlanta? And then I started feeling 565 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: really sick. But it felt like a bad hold. It 566 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: wasn't awful for me. It just had me like a 567 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: couple of days down. 568 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 569 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 4: So yes, some people it's like really hard. 570 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 3: Yeah did you lose taste or anything? 571 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: It was hard for me to, like I would lose 572 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: my breath a lot, so even doing things like walking 573 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: up the steps and I already am you know, out 574 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: of shape right now, But I was like I couldn't, 575 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: like you couldn't breathe your full capacity. So I actually 576 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: had started like doing these little light jobs to try 577 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: to open back up you know, my lungs. 578 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I. 579 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: Wouldn't wish it on any window. And it's good for 580 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: you for ducking that and being you were an essential 581 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: worker really. 582 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: During that time, No idea, I didn't get it. 583 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: Right, God's chosen one. Thank you, Like, what did you 584 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: realize this was a valuable situation for you? 585 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: Probably this year was the first year that really yeah, 586 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: And I mean like even like when I first started 587 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: making music, I started making money off of shows kind 588 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: of early for like what I was doing, I was 589 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: contracting with like the universities and stuff, and like it 590 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: gave me a glimpse into like, you know, maybe I 591 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: could do this and like be fulfilled in something that 592 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: I'm doing for a living and. 593 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 4: Not feel you know, like it's a job. 594 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, or like I'm wasting wasting time or something. So 595 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: that was kind of when I thought maybe I could, 596 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: But there was still like a lot of doubt and 597 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: like is this like really feasible? And honestly, I always say, 598 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a good thing to say, 599 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: but I always say, like I chose like the worst 600 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: career pads, and like the history of career paths, because like, 601 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: what type of weird stability is this, Like it's very 602 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: you're risky, and it doesn't last forever. 603 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 4: And well, for some it does, for you're right, For 604 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 4: some it does, but for most it doesn't. 605 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like being Yes, it's tough and the 606 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: creative feels. 607 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: But I will say a couple of things here. Number one, 608 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: like I want to ask because they've been doing write 609 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: outs on you for years now, even before, like you said, 610 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: this year was the first year you felt like it 611 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: was valuable. But even back then, you know, seeing like 612 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: they're talking about she's up next, she's the next thing, 613 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: this is who you should be watching. So even then 614 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: you weren't too confident that this was going to happen. 615 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: No, I think it was. I was appreciative. I was appreciative, 616 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: but I wasn't where I wanted to be, I guess, 617 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: and sometimes that I feel like blinds you from what's 618 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: happening now. I felt like I was very aware of 619 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: the fact that like people say things all the time, 620 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: and so as much as I was grateful for people 621 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: like recognizing me and seeing me, and I expressed that 622 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: I knew that, like you know, people say things all 623 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: the time, so until until what felt viable to me 624 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: more so was like, Okay, I don't have to have 625 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: a job anymore. 626 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I can you know what I'm. 627 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Saying, This is your job, yeah, exact job. 628 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't feel like work, you know what 629 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying, which, yeah, how that. 630 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 4: Never goes away? How that never goes away? 631 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think like people commenting on it was like, 632 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: this is really dope. But people say things all the time, 633 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I have to keep 634 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: going until like I can tangibly see that I can 635 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: make a career out of this. And even when you 636 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: start to make a career out of this, like nothing 637 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: is promised, So you have to just keep being present 638 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: in what it is because tomorrow I could say something 639 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: or do something, or somebody could say something or do 640 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: something and it's done. 641 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: You know. 642 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I think people, I don't 643 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: think that that's true because first of all, I can't 644 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: see you saying or doing something and then it's done. 645 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: I just don't see that for you, because you say 646 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: funny things in your music all the time that I'm like, 647 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: she's just talking crazy. But it's art, you know, and 648 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be people that will be like, hey, 649 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: why she call herself that? Or why would she say that? 650 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Or you know, and it's kind of like, I'm gonna 651 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: just say this about myself since y'all saying whatever anyway, 652 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: And you know, we also cannot deny the fact you're 653 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman. And some people will say that's 654 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: a detriment when it comes to being in this business, 655 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: because I've heard people say that, We've had conversations about that. 656 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Because sometimes people approach 657 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: you in a different way, or sometimes they'll doubt your 658 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: talent because they'll be like, oh, it's just because she's cute. 659 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's like I think that's like. 660 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: Being a woman in general, like being a woman in general, 661 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: and maybe in any industry low key, maybe not just 662 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: like the music industry. But I think like, there are 663 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 2: people that are gonna write you off immediately, and there 664 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: are people that are not going to have your best 665 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: interests at heart. There are people that are gonna be 666 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: against you and not for you. And I feel like 667 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: as a person with situational awareness, like you have to 668 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: you have to learn you have to learn how to 669 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: receive things and like when to when to like know 670 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: that this is not the place for you, And that 671 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: also goes hand in hand, and like people say things 672 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: all the time, so like you have to I've definitely 673 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: had some weird situations that I've had to weed through, 674 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: but those situations had to happen for me to be 675 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: in these like bigger rooms and be like that was 676 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: a red flag, like I know, not to come into 677 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: space anymore, or you know, this person actually seems very genuine, 678 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: but let me vet first. 679 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 680 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: And I feel like as a person, you have to 681 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: be aware of those things because it doesn't matter like man, 682 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: women pretty unconventionally pretty, because whatever. But I think like 683 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: those are things that you have to look out for 684 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: just in general. 685 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, And the Drive Home is the name 686 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: of the ep y. The Drive Home. 687 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: The Drive Home is like I guess a symbolism for 688 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: like the journey to like self acceptance because I was 689 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: raised everywhere I struggle to find like my identity and 690 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 2: like also in the age of making music in like 691 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: social media and where like everybody can kind of like 692 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: see what you're doing. There's like a constant there's a 693 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: constant battle of is this how you really feel? 694 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: Like? 695 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: Are you being the most authentic version of you? Like 696 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: make it palatable? It's like, no, this has to come 697 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: out authentic. This has to be you know, like this 698 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: has to be truly what I feel and truly what's 699 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: coming out of me. So the Drive Home is and 700 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: has been my journey to like my true my truest self, 701 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: my true authority, and like my home which is that 702 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: and feeling free? So uh, Also I make super chill music, 703 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 2: so like you listen to it on the drive Okay, 704 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: not on the drive there it's kind of like a 705 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: dodri but but yeah, it's just about self acceptance. 706 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Katana, I love that song. That's a good 707 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: on the drive home type of song. 708 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, a little bounce for you. Yeah, fun 709 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 4: mm hmm. 710 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: So are you gonna so what's next for you? Because 711 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: this project is at October twenty fifth, So I have 712 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,239 Speaker 1: to assume that now you're very experienced with going on 713 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: the road. You've learned a lot right from being on 714 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: to Isaiah Bashids. 715 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 4: So now what So now we're gonna tie the bow 716 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 4: on this. We have some events. 717 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: Coming up, like experiential events that are coming up to 718 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: like release the project. And then we got some talks 719 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: about tours coming up. 720 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 4: I don't want to say anything yet. 721 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm allowed to, but but yeah, 722 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: we have a tour coming up that I'm so incredibly 723 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: stoked for it at the top of twenty twenty five. 724 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: So you're going on tour with someone or is it? 725 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: I don't know. Okay, I guess we'll just have to see. 726 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out. That's what the news. 727 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it just shows and then it's right back 728 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: into new music. This is an EP, so it's ten songs, 729 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: it's only twenty minutes long. It's just like a foundation 730 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: of what I can do. I feel like I've led 731 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: with a lot of rap stuff, and this is a 732 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: little bit deeper into like experiential, like or experimental let 733 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: me correct experimental. So I'm singing on it, I'm doing 734 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: salt stuff, I'm doing alternative stuff. I'm rapping of course, 735 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: and so I think it's like a full, like well 736 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: rounded introduction to like this is this is what I'm 737 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: going to be doing from now on. 738 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right with this, we're excited for it every 739 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear it. October twenty fifth, the 740 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: drive home that EP is going to be out, I think, 741 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: did y'all send it to us? Okay, good, so I 742 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: get to listen to it after, So listen to it 743 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: on your way home, I am, Yeah, that's because I'm 744 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: in traffic a lot. Yeah, twenty minutes, I can listen 745 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: to it three times. 746 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. 747 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: But we appreciate you so much. Honestly, this was a 748 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: great refreshing conversation. And I can't wait till you come 749 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: back after this is out, and after we learned the 750 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: exciting news about the tour that's coming up. If you 751 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: weren't doing this, what do you think you would have 752 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: been doing? If what you went to school for. 753 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: I would have still been doing this, maybe just not 754 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 2: to this level. But I thought what I was going 755 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: to do was like go into companies and look at 756 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: like the way that they're making products and make it 757 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: more sustainable. 758 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 4: Okay, I was going to be like an operations consulting. 759 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: Now you do that for yourself, yeah exactly, exactly, Yeah, 760 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: no exactly. Oh well, thank you so much for doing us. 761 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: It really was a pleasure. I enjoyed our conversation. I 762 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: love when you started answer off with I don't know 763 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: if I to say this, but that's always the best 764 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: and we just get quiet. 765 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys so much. 766 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: It's been like when they told me about even like 767 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: being able to come here, I was like, are you 768 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: king me? 769 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 4: Like Angela like what. 770 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: Like Yeah, So this is a really cool experience, even 771 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: getting to meet you and having this conversation. I appreciate 772 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: you having interest in what I've going on, So. 773 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: No, thank you. Listen. We love to see the potential 774 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: and what something's about to be, and we see it 775 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: up here, so you know not to just talk, but 776 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: you are up next. 777 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 4: So y'all heard that I got Angelou. 778 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: For the bio. 779 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: Now on the right sheet.