1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: All right, Colonel Douglas McGregor. Excited to sit down and 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: talk with you. Man. I'm so interested in a lot 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: of these topics I talk about all the time, so 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: really excited to get down and hear your point of 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: view on this. I've watched so many of your videos 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and you've done a really good job educating the public. 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Let's go ahead and just start. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Let's set the table broad and then we'll dig in deep. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: And so you know, obviously at this point we have 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: sort of two wars going on, the Ukraine War and 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: now a new war in the Middle East. It seems 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: like the Russia, the Russia Ukraine thing was like the 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: biggest thing ever, just like pounding est, NonStop dough legacy media, 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it shifted into this 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: other war. Is that a signal that appetite from the 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: public is waning or do you think there's also a 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: shift from the government on the Russia Ukraine old War? 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: I guess well, I think there are two things. Ukrainian 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: government and the proxy force that we built in Ukraine. 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Russia has lost. Ukraine is in ruins. Ukrainian nation is 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: essentially destroyed, We don't know how many people have died 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: in the war, but somewhere is between four hundred and 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: fifty and five hundred thousand Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: large numbers wounded who will never return to active duty. 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: Right now, there are talks going on in a place 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: called of Dika. I always have difficulty pronouncing it. It's 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: a town in eastern Ukraine, beyond the Yeppa River where 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: there are thousands of Ukrainian troops facing a Russian force, 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: and there are discussions. They are about a mass surrender 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: of those Ukrainian troops to the Russians. This war should 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 2: have ended a long time ago. We've kept it going 32 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: at the expense of the Ukrainian people. I don't think 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: Americans ever understood much of it or really paid much 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: attention to it. We are very fortunate that the Russians 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: have chosen to limit the fighting and limit the conflict 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: to eastern Ukraine. There was never any intention on Russia's 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 2: part to invade Eastern Europe. That was all nonsense, and 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: they're not interested in it now. They would like the 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: war to end. But the problem that we have is 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: how do we end this thing without looking ridiculous, And 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: I don't think that's an easy question to answer. Everyone 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: who's running around in Washington in London trying to put 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: a happy face on the dead rat. And that's the 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: case with Ukraine. But the Russians have a series of demands. 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: I'm told that they've actually sent a note at our 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: request privately through back channels. People in the White House 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: are apoplectic. They don't know how to answer it. I mean, frankly, 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: we no longer have to say in what happens in 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: eastern Ukraine. Neither does NATO. NATO is in ruins. I'll 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: be very surprised if NATO survives much longer. So the 51 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: whole thing has been a catastrophe for us. We grossly 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: underestimated the Russians. We did not understand them. We thought 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: we could isolate them. We were never able to do that. 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: And then our proxy force did all that it could. 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: But it's very difficult to build armies from scratch in 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: a short period of time. Yeah, they really didn't have 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: much of a chance. So this is over, and I 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: think the American people are now focused on the Middle East. 59 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: And this is, if you will, a new disaster unfolding 60 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: one that unfortunately we've had a hand in creating. 61 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Before we jump into the Middle East. You know, I've seen, 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: like I said, many of your interviews, and of course 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: you've been calling this war was over a long time ago. 64 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: It was probably I think maybe you just made the 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: comment it was over, probably before it even started. A 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: couple things, you know, I know, like obviously when this 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: war started, seemingly since the Vietnam War and all the 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Middle Eastern wars and kind of where we're at now, 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: like there was no objective like what does winning look like? Right, 70 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: And so when you think about it from that perspective, 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: like what did winning look like? I don't know if 72 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: that was clearly identified. You can correct me if I'm wrong, 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: but some of them maybe winning to me looks like 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: a few months ago, Zelenski was over here, not just 75 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: trying to get money from the political establishment, but he 76 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: was in Wall Street and he got money from Blackstone 77 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: and black Rock and Bill Ackman, and it sort of 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: looked like the country might have been demolished and sort 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: of the people millions of people left, tens of millions 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: of people left, and then the country just got divided up, 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: chopped up and sold off to Wall Street. Maybe that 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: was mission accomplished. Any insight into that. 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: Well, well, the Wall Street vultures have certainly swooped in 84 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: and are interested in acquiring ownership of as much fertile 85 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: land in Ukraine as they can get. Remember this is 86 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: the famous black Earth. A friend of mine who lived 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: in eastern Ukraine for a long time, he said, all 88 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: you have to do is take a stick, you know, 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: like a broomstick, stick it in the ground, and suddenly 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: something will grow on it. I mean, you're talking about 91 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: some of the most fertile ground anywhere in the planet, 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: and this is fifteen twenty feet thick on as topsoil goes. 93 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: It was so good that during World War Two the 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: Germans filled box cars or you know, trains with this 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: fertile earth and brought it back to Germany. It's tragic, 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: but yes, I think you're right. Wall Street will find 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: a way to profit from this. I think Blackstone is 98 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: a tip of the proverbial you know, Iceberg. How far 99 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: will they get? I don't know. It's tragic. I feel 100 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: terribly for the Ukrainian people. 101 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen you know JP Morgan, 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: and like I said, all these groups have pledged, you know, 103 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars of investment capital. And so 104 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: when you just think through well, investment, that means they're 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: putting hundreds of billions in expecting some sort of a return. 106 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: So natural gas, you know, minerals, uranian potentially obviously the 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: fertile ground, all of those things seem to have been 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: potentially sold off, and then there's going to be some 109 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: big rebuilding effort. 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: And so well, I don't know about the rebuilding effort. 111 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna have to wait and see. You're talking about 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: a lot of damage. And coming up with that sort 113 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: of investment means that you first and foremost have to 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: have an agreement in place with the Russians. That means 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: that whatever remains of Ukraine has to be neutral and demilitarized. 116 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: That's what will happen. I'm not sure what kind of 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: a government you're going to get, but I'm sure the 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: Russians will have someone appointed to the National Security Council 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: of that government to ensure that nothing is undertaken with 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: the goal of harming Russia. Now, to go back to 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: this business of what's the purpose, what's the objective? That's 122 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: very important let's just stop for a second. In the military, 123 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: we usually talk about three things, purpose, method, and end state. 124 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: Excuse me, I'm beginning to develop a cold. That's the 125 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: change in the weather we've got here in Virginia. Every 126 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: time the temperature goes up, we're down. My sinuses go crazy. 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: The point is purpose, method, end state? What is the 128 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: purpose of the operation? How do you oppose to execute 129 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: the operation? What's your plan, what's your method? And then finally, 130 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: in state, what do you want things to look like 131 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: when it's over. We don't usually think through that on 132 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: the strategic or operational levels. We never asked the question. 133 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: First of all, the objective. If you're going to go 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: into Iraq and your objective is to transform it into 135 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: the first liberal democracy in the Middle East that will 136 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: be friendly to Israel, you're inane, You're stupid. That will 137 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: never happen. And that, of course was the objective in 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: two thousand and three. That has failed miserably. So you 139 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: have to have an attainable objective. No one has ever 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: said what is the attainable objective? What we said is 141 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: let's harm Russia. Why I haven't figured that out? I 142 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: never regarded the Russians or I shouldn't say never, but 143 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: certainly have not regarded Russia since the mid nineteen nineties 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: as an enemy of the United States. So it's trying 145 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: to figure out what is this as an objective. Secondly, 146 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: how do you do it? Well, we sacrifice the lives 147 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, we drive millions of 148 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: Ukrainians out of the country, and we destroy the economy 149 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: and the infrastructure. So what's the end state? In other words, 150 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: what do you want it to look like when it's over. Well, 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: Russian should be defeated, the regime should change, Putin should 152 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: be gone. I mean, this is all absurd nonsense. So 153 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: we have a problem. We don't want to think through 154 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: things realistically. We see everything through this utterly absurd lens 155 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: of America is the indispensable superpower. Nothing can happen without us. 156 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: We are always right. Well, I think we know that's 157 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: simply nonsense, and we've made a terrible mess out of 158 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: Ukrainian As I say, I think NATO is effectively in ruins. 159 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: I'd be surprised that much of it survives. 160 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: I want to talk about NATO when we get into 161 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: the Middle East because of what Turkey is doing. But 162 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: in regards to Ukraine, do you think that potentially whatever 163 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: this note was that was passed or whatever, this potential 164 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: peace agreement that gets hashed out probably looks very similar 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: to what maybe Putin wanted from the beginning, which is, 166 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: let me just keep the land that we have demilitarized 167 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: Ukraine and we'll call it good. I mean, do we 168 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: sort of end up where we probably would have ended 169 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: up from the beginning. 170 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: No, I think it's much worse. Okay, we could have 171 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: had a deal within the first sixty days then would 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: have left most of what we call Ukraine today intact. 173 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: Putin simply wanted equal rights for Russians before the law. 174 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: He wanted these oppressive policies instituted in Kief to stop. 175 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: And so he said, look, if you'll go along with this, 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: if you'll stay neutral, stay out of NATO, stop trying 177 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: to turn Ukraine into a base for projecting hostile power 178 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: towards Russia, we can live with what you've got that's gone. 179 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if Putin doesn't make it very clear 180 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: that Kharkoff, Odessa and most of what we call eastern 181 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: Ukraine is not Russian. I think we're going to see 182 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: a massive territorial exchange. Secondly, you're going to get neutrality, 183 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: but this time neutrality is going to be specified by 184 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: the Russians. What does that mean. They'll tell you how 185 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: many Ukrainian troops you can have on your arms, where 186 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: they can be stationed, what arms they can have access to, 187 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: and so forth. And as I said before, they'll be 188 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: a representative from Moscow sitting in Kief who says yes 189 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: or no to whatever Ukraine wants to do, whether it 190 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: is trade, commerce or military in character. 191 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they should have just taken the deal in 192 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: the beginning. They don't have a lot of not a 193 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: lot of bargaining right now. 194 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be humiliated. Let's be frank, we 195 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: will be humiliated. 196 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: I watched it on Tucker Carlson, and you talked about 197 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: sort of some of the failures on the battlefield, sort 198 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: of the way that we stage troops and putting old 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: tanks into position, and how the Russian military with their 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: space program was able to target and isolate and hit 201 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: targets within minutes, etc. And it seemed like you were 202 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: saying that it also sort of highlighted to the world 203 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: maybe how weak or incompetent. Our old school military is. 204 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: Well. I think we need to understand a few things. 205 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: First of all, there is a revolution in military affairs. 206 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: That revolution, however, has not been clearly understood, and there 207 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: are many features to it, but the most prominent one 208 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: is the ability to link platforms for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance 209 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: that are overhead or for that matter, in the seabed, offshore, underwater, 210 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: with various kinds of strike systems that are now precise. 211 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: In other words, you can effectively look at any region 212 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: on the planet. You can position satellites, you can position 213 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: overhead platforms unmanned and manned, and platforms off sea, on 214 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: the sea and under the sea. They can gain a 215 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 2: clear picture of what's happening. Then you link that picture 216 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: and the potential targets that you may want to strike, 217 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: whatever they are people, equipment, infrastructure, to strike systems, rockets, missiles, artillery, mortars, 218 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: from the simplest to the most complex and devastating, and 219 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: you have the opportunity to effectively neutralize your opponent very 220 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: very quickly, if not destroy him outright. We have ignored this, 221 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: and we have pretended that we live in this world. 222 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: War II paradigm where you have massive maneuver forces, large 223 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: armies that sweep across open spaces and decide outcomes. Those 224 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: days are over what you have to have in this 225 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: I wrote a book about it called Margin of Victory, 226 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: and before that I wrote one could Transformation under Fire, 227 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: trying to get people to understand that your ground force, 228 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: whatever it is, whether it sits on wheels or tracks 229 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,479 Speaker 2: or is dismounted, has to be integrated within the framework 230 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: of what I just described so that it can move 231 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: under the protection of that isr strike complex, not just 232 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: exploit it, but move under protection from it, because your 233 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: opponent is going to try to do the same thing 234 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: to you. If you go all the way back to 235 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: Breaking the FEALANX that I published in ninety seven, I 236 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 2: have a chapter on a future war and I talk 237 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: about the censor battle that begins the war. Simply its censors, 238 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: the ability to see, to detect, to hear in space, 239 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: on the ground, at sea. Those are the first, if 240 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: you will, to front lines, the spearheads of future offensive 241 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: or defensive operation. We've never really come to terms with that. 242 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: We keep building for a World War II style environment, 243 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: and frankly we equipped fielded a very good World War 244 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: II style army in Ukraine. It's being obliterated by the Russians. 245 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: The Russians were the first, I would argue, among all 246 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: of the leading military establishments of the world to recognize 247 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: the outlines of what I just described to you. Now, 248 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: we can do it very effectively. We have the technology, 249 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: but we also have a problem. We have a problem 250 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: with this enormous service bureaucracy. The service bureaucracies all want 251 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: to build their own mass traps. There is no unity 252 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: of effort across service lines. If there is at all, 253 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: when you begin operations, it's because the people conducting the 254 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: operations force it into existence. In other words, every service 255 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: has its own doctrine, its own organization, its own approach. 256 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: That this should be an integrative whole is discussed, but 257 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: it's never implemented, and it's bankrupting us. 258 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: By the way, well, it's certainly bankrupting us. I know. 259 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, the military expenditures in the United States far 260 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: exceeds I believe the United States spends more than the 261 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: next ten countries combined on its military. So with that 262 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: amount of money being spent, even if it was sort 263 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: of compartmentalized into these four branches of military. If that's 264 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: sort of what you're referring to. With an amount of 265 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: an enormous amount of money that we're spending, you would 266 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: think even if it was compartmentalized, they would still be 267 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: able to develop some of this new technology which within 268 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: their individual branches if not working together. 269 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: Well, the technology exists, that's not the problem, it's creating. 270 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: The menu of technologies is pretty extensive, and we control 271 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: a lot of it, and all we have to do 272 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: is pick carefully from it. The problem is that we're 273 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: trying to refight wars that aren't going to happen right. 274 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: We can't. We're not going to be able to move 275 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: armies of hundreds of thousands across open o the way 276 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: we did to get the desert storm. It's not going 277 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: to happen. Submarines, the overhead surveillance, long range precisions, strike, 278 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: all of these things will interfere with that. So trying 279 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: to build forces designed for the last war is a 280 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: surefire way to fail miserably. The same thing is true 281 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: at sea. What are we going to do with these 282 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: large surface fleets with capital ships that are centered on 283 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: aircraft carrier battlegroups. The aircraft carrier is a marvelous piece 284 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: of equipment. It's unlike anything the world has ever seen. 285 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: The problem is it's not very useful any longer because 286 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: you can't hide it, and you'll have plenty of admirals 287 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: and senior naval officers say, oh no, that's wrong. You'll 288 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: give me aircraft carriers. I can hide them in the Pacific. Well, 289 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: if you can hide them, because you're so far away 290 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: that you can never possibly affect anything on land. I 291 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: suppose that's possible. But if you can't affect anything on land, 292 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: what's the purpose of having the aircraft carrier? Not very much. 293 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: So. 294 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: I think the whole idea of giant surface leeps the 295 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: sort of what I call juntland midway paradigm, which is 296 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: similar to the World War II paradigm of massive divisions 297 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: online moving slowly across the European continent, or from island 298 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 2: to island across Pacific. All of that is over. It's gone. 299 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: I wonder, if you're not going to do those things, 300 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: what kind of a force do you need. That's the 301 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: question that has to be asked. Now. The other part 302 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: of this is we have neglected hemispheric defense, that is, 303 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: defense of the United States and the western hemisphere. If 304 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: we continue this, we will not have a country much longer, 305 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: because the real threat to the United States does not 306 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: emanate from Russia or China or Iran or anywhere else. 307 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: It emanates from south of the Rio Grande. Because we've 308 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: opened those borders. It comes to our ports because we 309 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: don't secure them, and are airports because again we're not 310 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: securing them, we don't know who is in the country. 311 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: People act as though, well, that's not a big deal. 312 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: We can sort that out. Well, I certainly hope so, 313 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: and we better get started pretty quick because right now 314 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: we really don't know the answer to that question about 315 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: who is inside our own. 316 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Country, right, and you talk about moving large amounts of troops, 317 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: and now then you mentioned the southern border, and so 318 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: we've had some somewhere over eight million people that have 319 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: come across that southern border. From the videos that I see, 320 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: it's mostly military age men seemingly coming across the border. 321 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: So eight million people of military age men is not 322 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: an inconsequential number. 323 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 2: No, you're right, absolutely right. I hope people are listening 324 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: to you, because you've just made a very salient point, 325 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: What do you do with these people if we go 326 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: into the kind of economic death spiral that so many 327 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: people are predicting. If you listen to James Ricard's or 328 00:18:54,119 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: Kyle Bass or Alistair McLeod any number of a don't 329 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: look at the fragility of our economy right now, they 330 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: talk about either a very deep recession or an all 331 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: out depression. What do you do with all of these people? 332 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, what are they all here for 333 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: if we can't employ them? Right? You know, you're absolutely right, 334 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: that is a huge problem for us. 335 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you think about a military, to 336 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: your point, moving men across the ocean, Well, they're here, 337 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: and we already know what we do with them, because 338 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: all we have to do is look at Europe and 339 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: we can see exactly what our future holds. Unfortunately, and 340 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: it's not good to I want to come back to 341 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: some of that stuff, but I want to just jump. 342 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: So we went from the Ukraine. Interest is waning. Everyone 343 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: that was running flags Ukraine flag seemed to have gone down. 344 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: You don't hear about it really anymore. Maybe they'll just 345 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: sort of let it, just kind of sweep it under 346 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: the rug. And now it seemed like then and all 347 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're in the Middle East. I was 348 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: really surprised on the response the United States had to Israel. 349 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: It seemed it was so much greater than what we 350 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: saw in Ukraine. So Ukraine seemed to be this big effort. 351 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: But within days, seemingly of this, you know, Israel Hamast outbreak, 352 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: the US was sending aircraft carriers and destroyer vessels and 353 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: like moving massive amounts of equipment over, but we never 354 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: did that for Ukraine. 355 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's misleading, because you've had over one 356 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: hundred thousand US troops sitting in Eastern Europe now for months. Okay, Now, 357 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: part of this was supposedly to deter the Russians. You know, 358 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 2: you've got three seconds to answer the question. How much 359 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: de terrence did that force create? Times up? None. None. 360 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: So they sat over there, drank beer, enjoyed the local cuisine, 361 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: and I'm sure the populations in Eastern Europe would be 362 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: happy to see us go home. But we didn't accomplish anything. 363 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: If anything, things are worse now than they were before 364 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: they started. We also committed a lot of assets that 365 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: you don't hear anything about at sea and in the 366 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: air to Europe, huge numbers of aircraft, huge numbers of 367 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: satellites and platforms and so forth. So I think that's mislead. 368 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: It's cost us a lot of money. Now you're right 369 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: about Israel on the other hand, in the sense that 370 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: we have no treaty of alliance with Israel, but we 371 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: do have a Congress that is absolutely committed to Israel 372 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: for a whole range of reasons, not all of which are, 373 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: let us say, altruistic. And we have committed naval assets 374 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: largely because we don't have much in the way of 375 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: ground forces to send. I mean, what are you going 376 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: to send? You've got what one hundred and forty thousand 377 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: sitting in Europe. I don't know how many aircraft we 378 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: have within striking range, but I suspect out of perhaps 379 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: a couple of thousand, we've already got several hundred. Then 380 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: you've got multiple carrier battle groups. Could you send more? 381 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: Sure you could, But again, the problem with the carrier 382 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: is sustaining a high sore tee rate. What I mean 383 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: by that is how many aircraft can you get in 384 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: the air at a particular point in time, how much 385 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: orders can they deliver? How rapidly. Can they be replaced, refueled, 386 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: re armed, and sent back into action. When you look 387 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: at the total numbers, we have perhaps one hundred and 388 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: eighty aircraft at sea. Of that number, how many fighters 389 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: can we keep up at any given point in time? 390 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: What thirty forty fifty? Not very much. So if we 391 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: have to fight more, let us say, then I would 392 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: expect Hezbollah to offer We're in a lot of trouble. 393 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: Can we send more carrier battle groups? Sure, we can 394 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: send more. Then you're surging whatever you've got. I don't 395 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: know what the state of readiness is in the Navy, 396 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 2: but over the last few years the reports coming out 397 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: of the Navy have been very good. And then when 398 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 2: you look at the missiles that we have aboard the 399 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: surface fleet, reloading those missiles requires most of the surface 400 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: fleet to return to port so that you can restock 401 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: those launchers. Then, of course, we have submarines, and for 402 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: a very long time I've argued a few others have, 403 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: but I'm probably a very strong voice for this. We 404 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: have too few submarines. We have too few attack submarines. 405 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: We should have fifty to one hundred. We are a 406 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: global naval power. It is our first line of defense. 407 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: It's perhaps the most important asset in our strategic arsenal, 408 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: this submarine. And we're down to what twenty nine thirty 409 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: and of those, how many are ready? You know, I 410 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: don't know the answers to those questions, but this is 411 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: not a good situation for us to be in. And 412 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: you're talking about the potential for a regional war. Now 413 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: we had that with the Russians. But remember the Russians 414 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: were not interested in a regional war. They never were. 415 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: We're the ones that talked about it. We're the ones 416 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: that tried to mobilize all these European states that for 417 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: decades it spent almost nothing on their own defense to 418 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: ship everything they have to Ukraine. Well, most everything they 419 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: had is gone, it's being destroyed. A lot of our 420 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: stocks are gone in destroyed. So what have we got 421 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: left to send somewhere? That's the first question. Secondly, if 422 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: we don't have anything in the area of ground forces 423 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: that could make a dent and we can't get them 424 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: over there safely, potentially, now we're talking if a regional 425 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: war breaks out, as a minimum, I would expect the 426 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: Turks to be participants and everybody says, well, they're NATO members, yes, 427 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: but they are first and foremost Muslim Turks. That's their identity. 428 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: And they are not going to stand by and watch 429 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: Israelis and or US butcher large numbers of Muslim Arabs 430 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: and civilians. It's impossible. Egyptians don't want a war, the 431 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: Saudis don't want to war. Their Jordanians certainly don't. I 432 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: don't know if anybody over there who does, but the 433 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: populations in that part of the world are enraged and 434 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: at some point, if this does not stop what we 435 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: see happening in Gaza, these governments will be in danger 436 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: of being overthrown and replaced by people who will fight. Now, 437 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: mister Erdwan has already made some very very powerful statements, 438 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: and these statements are not coming out of Irong, these 439 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: are coming out of Turkey, and he says, mister Netan 440 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: Yaho is a war criminal. The Israeli state is a 441 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: war criminal state. There will be justice, We will not 442 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: tolerate it. We are not going to talk to mister 443 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: net and Yaho anymore. And the day is coming when 444 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: Turkish soldiers will fight in Gaza. Now, people in Washington 445 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: have chosen to dismiss this out of hand. They've chosen 446 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: to say, oh, this is impossible, it can't be done. Well, 447 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: these are the same people that told us the Russians 448 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: had no military power, or what they had was inadequate, 449 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: that they could be isolated, that they were weak, that 450 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: their economy could not withstand the strain of sanctions. Well, 451 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: they were wrong. I think they're wrong now about the 452 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: Middle East. I think the situation is very dangerous. And 453 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: when mister Netanyah who says you're fighting for our existence, 454 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: he hasn't even begun yet. He's only scratching the surface. 455 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: His existence is not going to be threatened by Hamas. 456 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: But the existence of the Israeli state is very much 457 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: over the question if the region coalesces along the lines 458 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: that it's begun to and the Turk center this fight, 459 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: And of course there's always Iran. Iran has no ground force, 460 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: but Iran has an enormous arsenal of tactical and theaterbalistic missiles, 461 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: cruise missiles, unmanned systems. Those can all be employed. And 462 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: we haven't talked about the other effects that we would 463 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: rather not experience. We don't want to see the straits 464 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: of Hormuz closed. We don't want to see the Suez 465 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: Canal closed. Those things could be economically catastrophic. We haven't 466 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: talked about the overland routes for oil and natural gas 467 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: and so forth. Bottom line is, what's happening today in 468 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: Israel in Gaza is very very dangerous, not just for 469 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: is not just for the region, but for us economically. 470 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, from a lot of levels. And then I mean, 471 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: now I don't want to spend time jumping into it, 472 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: but obviously I'm sure everyone listening is aware of what's 473 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: going on in China and Taiwan and all that. So 474 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: seemingly we have like potential. 475 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: Let's stop for a second. What do you think is 476 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: happening in China and Taiwan? Please tell me, Well. 477 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: It seems like there's sort of a showdown in the 478 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: South Pacific potentially where China wants to move into Taiwan. 479 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: They've been stationing ships, running maneuvers on our jets, our 480 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: aircraft carriers, et cetera. And we don't know what's going 481 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: to happen, but it seems tense. I guess it's my guess, 482 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: but I guess. 483 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you that when I think first 484 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: of all, I don't see any evidence for any Chinese 485 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: aggression aimed at Taiwan. I see the Chinese who have 486 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: expressed the view that if we put forces on Taiwan, 487 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: if we put missiles on Taiwan, that's a red line. 488 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: They will go to. 489 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: War, sort of like Russia saying if you put missiles 490 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, like they don't want them on their borders. 491 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I think that's a fair analogy. I 492 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: think also that the President g made it very clear 493 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: that if Taiwan declares its independence, in other words, it 494 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: no longer accepts the truth that Taiwan is part of 495 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: the Chinese nation, that it decides to strike out entirely 496 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: on its own, then there will be a war. Now, 497 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 2: I personally don't see any evidence right now that the 498 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: people on Taiwan won any kind of war. I've looked 499 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: at the political structure there and the parties involved, all 500 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: of them have backed away from this notion of independence. 501 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: If anything, the pro Beijing or pro Chinese mainland parties 502 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: are probably going to win the coming election. That means 503 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: that you could have a peaceful reunification sooner rather than 504 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: later between Taiwan and China. So the question is where 505 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: do we fit in? What are we trying to do? 506 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: And we are operating in their seas, in their waters. 507 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: The Chinese have ever stopped a commercial vessel, And theoretically, 508 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: we're the ones that say over and over and over 509 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: again that freedom of the seas is primarily for commerce, 510 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: and as long as commerce has done interrupted, what are 511 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: we concerned about? Somebody said, well, what about Vietnam. The 512 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: Vietnamese have disputes with the Chinese. Yes, they do. The 513 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: Vietnamese have built fortifications or military installations on twenty nine 514 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: islands in the South China Sea that they claim stake 515 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: out areas of the South China Sea which are Vietnamese. Well, 516 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: that's fine. What does that have to do with us? Nothing? Then, 517 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: why are we concerned about similar behavior on the part 518 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: of mainland China? And oh, by the way, Mainland China's 519 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: claims in the South China Sea are identical to the 520 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: claims that Taiwan makes, since Taiwan declares itself a rep 521 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: presentative of the Chinese nation. I guess what I'm trying 522 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: to get across is that if there is any confrontation, collision, 523 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: or crisis over there, it's because of US, we are 524 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: the outsiders. We don't have Chinese fleets sitting in the Caribbean. 525 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: We don't have a fleet of Chinese vessels sailing up 526 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: and down the Pacific coast. The Russians are not conducting 527 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: exercises off the coast of Boston, but we have conducted 528 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: exercises within fifty miles of Saint Petersburg and the Baltic 529 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: So my point is who's provocative and who is not. 530 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Has the US had that stance since World War II? 531 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Sort of Peter Zihun makes the case that the US 532 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: was sort of policing the world to the point you 533 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: made about free commerce, right, so sort of kept the 534 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: oceans clear police the world since World War two, and 535 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: so that's sort of been the stance. And maybe that 536 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: stance is still there, which is why they're in Saint Petersburg, 537 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: why they're in South Pacific. But now, as China says, hey, 538 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: we want to take back over the South Pacific, it's 539 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: that territorial war that then is causing. 540 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: US commercial access does not require US military occupation of 541 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: any land or sea lanes. 542 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: But if. 543 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: The notion that we have to control the Strait of Malacca, 544 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: which is a critical junction for the movement of commercial 545 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: vessels to and from China to the South China Sea. 546 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: Is absurd. We don't need to do that now. Have 547 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: there been pirates there? Yes, pirates, you can deal with. 548 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: Piratical activity is an international crime. Everyone is interested in 549 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: suppressing and destroying piracy. My point is that if the Chinese, 550 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: the North, or the Vietnamese and anybody else, as long 551 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: as they are not interrupting or interfering with commercial traffic, 552 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: what they do is of really no consequence to us. 553 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: And this is the part that people don't get. Just 554 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: because we have decided that we are the world's greatest 555 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: naval power and that everyone should bow down to our 556 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: demands because we're the greatest naval power, therefore we have 557 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: a right to sail within a few miles of someone 558 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: else's territory or someone else's installation. Is ridiculous, especially in 559 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: the world today because of what I described to you earlier. 560 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: This isr strike complex. All these little islets in the 561 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: South Pacific, if we were ever to go to war, 562 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: would vanish in minutes. They're easy to target, easy to destroy. 563 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: This is why amphibious forces, large amphibious assaults are now 564 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: an impossibility anywhere that counts. If you try to assemble 565 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: a large amphibious task force, everybody will watch it on 566 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: their home televisions via satellite TV, and then when it's 567 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: completely established there are enough vessels there, it will be 568 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: sunk because everyone can target it. Do you understand what 569 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying. We need to think about the world today 570 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: differently from the way we have thought about it in 571 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: the past. 572 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I'm a non interventionalist. I don't 573 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: want to be over there either. I agree. I mean 574 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: we should not be. Just just trying to understand that. 575 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: I know we're kind of running out of time here, 576 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: so I want to get to maybe just one last point, 577 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, we have. It seems like the Americans, maybe 578 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: as a whole, and I don't have any data on this, 579 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: but seemingly sort of went along with the narrative of 580 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: Russia Ukraine and maybe they got fired up over Israel. 581 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: But it seems like for the most part, like we're 582 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: sort of against the war for the most part. But 583 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: at the same time, the war complex continues to seemingly 584 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: get bigger and bigger, and not just in these military wars, 585 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: but even now into misinformation, malinformation, controlling the Internet, controlling 586 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: the information, controlling all these things. And it seems like 587 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: this military industrial complex, where I should say, forget the military, 588 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: the industrial complex just seems to keeping get bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, 589 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: And it's really coming down to a showdown of we 590 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: the people versus the governments. If you will, right constantly encroaching, imposing, 591 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: and I know you have this our country, our choice 592 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: dot com. I'll throw that out there where I think 593 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: some of what you're trying to do is maybe trying 594 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: to limit the governments a sort of bureaucracy and their 595 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: reach into some of these this part of our lives. 596 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let's be frank, we the people, 597 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: the American people are being asleep. I mean, I can't 598 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: imagine any great power in the history of civilization on 599 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: this planet doing nothing about their borders and allowing millions 600 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: of people, many of whom are transnational criminals involved in 601 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: human and drug trafficking, to pour into the United States. 602 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: Incomprehensible to me. I've been able to figure it out. 603 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: I mean, what does it take to wake up the 604 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: American people? It's so the American people saying bring the 605 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 2: troops back from Eastern Europe where they have no useful mission, 606 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: and put them on the southern border. I mean, to me, 607 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: that is unassailable logic. But instead you have people like 608 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: Senators Blumenthal and Senator Graham who are now talking about 609 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: attacking Iran. I fail to see how attacking Iran is 610 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: going to improve our position here at home in the 611 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 2: United States. 612 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question about that, because I mean, 613 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: it looks like the people seemingly are enraged by this, 614 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: and we see little uprisings or I should say, protests 615 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: in New York City shouting down AOC and the people 616 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: are saying secure the border, Secure the border. All these 617 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: polls that around the people say that the leaders are 618 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: completely ignoring that. Oh, the greatest problem that we have 619 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: is Ukraine. It's like, no, it seems like the people 620 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: are for that. It's the representatives that are not well. 621 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: Look, Mark, you're right, and I don't know how to 622 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: fix this quickly. Yeah, but what I can tell you 623 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: is that American interests are simply not represented for the 624 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: most part. On the Hill. You have this new Speaker 625 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: of the House. Everyone is celebrating. We have a new 626 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, and what's his first priority. It's 627 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 2: Israel in the Middle East. Now. I support Israel, I 628 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 2: want Israel to succeed, but Israel is a sovereign state. 629 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 2: If it takes imprudent actions and puts its existence at risk, 630 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: we cannot necessarily save it. They have to cooperate with 631 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: their own future if they want to survive. But he 632 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 2: has not said anything about the border crisis. He has 633 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: not talked about millions of illegals. I sat with some 634 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: people in Homeland Security and I said, how many illegals 635 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: do we really have inside the country? And I said, 636 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 2: you know, they say, what four or five six million 637 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 2: have come in? They laughed, They said, no, it's more 638 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: than eight million. And we probably have at least twenty 639 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: eight million illegals inside the United States because this has 640 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: been going on or decades. So how do you restore 641 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: the rule of law if you won't even enforce basic 642 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: laws to protect your borders. And the answer is you can't. 643 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: Right now. The rule of law is at risk all 644 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: over the country. So when you go to our country, 645 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: our choice you're talking about. People have said we're tired 646 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 2: of voting for people and getting the same policies regardless 647 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 2: of whomever is elected. You remember when President Trump ran 648 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: he would talk to audiences in twenty sixteen and about 649 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: the border, and they would chant close the border, close 650 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: the border, close the border. What did we do? We 651 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 2: did not do that. Here we sit years later in 652 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: what have we got? Well, there doesn't appear to be 653 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: much money in the border for the Department of Defense. 654 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: The Department of Defense wants shiny new toys. If you 655 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 2: don't produce shiny new toys, shiny new bright objects that 656 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: promise silver bullet performance, you don't move money great quantities. 657 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: If you don't move great quantities and congresses and appropriating money, 658 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: how do the people on the hill line their pockets? 659 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 2: You know, follow the money in Washington. That answers almost 660 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 2: all the questions. And until Americans wake up and realize this, 661 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 2: nothing will change, and we may not make it. I'm 662 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: serious right now, I'm more concerned about this country than 663 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: I've ever been in my life because we are losing 664 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 2: all that remains of societal cohesion. We are losing our 665 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 2: sense of identities as Americans. Obviously that's the intent for 666 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: a lot of people in Washington. They're succeeding and we've 667 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 2: got to stop this if we're going to make it 668 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 2: in this century. 669 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think we are losing our 670 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: identity partly to your point, destroyed and you said, like 671 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: the borders, it seems like, how could it be this bad? 672 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: How could they let that? How could Mayork as the 673 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: head of the DA, continue to let this happen while 674 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: he's pushing policies to take away more freedoms online and 675 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: through communication. So the wrong attack attack on Americans and 676 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: letting the border stay open, and so it seemingly is 677 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: being done intentionally. So yeah, I don't know. I guess 678 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: if the people can stand up enough and we can 679 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: get good leaders. Unfortunately, that's seemingly our only choice at 680 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: this point. 681 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: Well, if people listen to what we've just discussed and 682 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: they find it attractive, they need to go to Ourcountry 683 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: our Choice dot com. You can register and join. It 684 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: costs nothing. We are just beginning. We only started back 685 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: in August. We've got a long way to go, but 686 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 2: we expect millions of members, and the more members we 687 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: bring in, the greater weight our arguments will have. And 688 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 2: remember we're about being Americans. We're tired of the devisiveness. 689 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: We want to put an end to the tribalism. We 690 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 2: are either Americans or we're not. Right. If you're an 691 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 2: American and care about this Republic, you care about the 692 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: Bill of Rights, you need to join us. 693 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Well, well that's a good point to 694 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: end it on. I agree in the tribalism. Forget the 695 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: left and the right, the blue and the red. Like 696 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: we're Americans, we should stand for American ideals. So definitely 697 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: check out our Country our Choice. We'll link to it 698 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: down below. Colonel Douglas MacGregor, thanks so much for joining me. 699 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: We'll make sure we send people to that website so 700 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: they can all get involved in this and keep keep 701 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: fighting the good fight. I appreciate what you're doing. 702 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: Thanks very much.