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Speaker 1: You're listening the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 2: The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 5: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved bulls.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Nnick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: That's song right here we go still in the United

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Speaker 1: States of America, but not for long. And Sunday, September

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Speaker 1: third of the year is twenty twenty three. It is

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Speaker 1: episode four thirty four of the Attic and Florian podcast

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Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings. Kind of like that Saturday UFC mattin

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Speaker 1: a three pm main card. I've been doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of cooking these days, so I'm in the kitchen cooking

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Speaker 1: and watching this UFC fight night play out. Looks pretty

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Speaker 1: raucous there in Paris, France. I don't traditionally have fomo

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Speaker 1: fear of missing out, but I was wishing I was

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Speaker 1: in the building a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that John Anick was a chef.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome, man, I need to learn how to do

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Speaker 4: that more. Yeah, that the crowd seemed amazing, man, I've

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Speaker 4: never heard a crowd like cheer for a guy that's

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Speaker 4: clinching with someone. I mean, that's how kind of behind

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Speaker 4: their fighter they were. But you know, from the first

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Speaker 4: prelim to the last fight, man, they were in it.

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Speaker 1: All right, A lot to get to today. This is

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Speaker 1: channel as well. Clips can be accessed on the Anak

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Speaker 1: and Florian podcast channel. We appreciate every last one of

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Speaker 1: you for all the support and you can vote for

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Speaker 1: the show, by the way, to win the award for

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Speaker 1: Best MMA Programming right now with WORLDMMA Awards dot Com

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Speaker 1: will pay you actually for your votes. Before we get

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Speaker 1: into UFC Fight Night Gone versus Spivak. And there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of stand performances on the French side that

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Speaker 1: we need to highlight. But there was a headline Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia acquires a minority stake in the PFL. And when

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Speaker 1: I say Saudi Arabia, it's because it is this public

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Speaker 1: investment fund that reportedly is spent one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: to acquire this minority stake in the PFL. So immediately

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Speaker 1: my thoughts as the president of Team Florian are what

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Speaker 1: are the ramifications for my guy, my boyfriend, Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like maybe Francis and Gano and Jake

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Speaker 1: Paul are going to be fighting in Saudi Arabia, which

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Speaker 1: would mean wheels up for you. Yeah, that's right, man.

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Speaker 1: I think it's big.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Anytime you get a big fund like that behind you

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Speaker 4: to you know that not only believes in you, but

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Speaker 4: are putting up the money to back it up.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big thing.

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Speaker 4: And it allows the PFL to be able to do

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Speaker 4: that much more, whether it's acquiring more fighters, going to

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Speaker 4: more venues and doing bigger things.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a big step forward man. So

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Speaker 1: that was a big announcement and terms of affording Kenny

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Speaker 1: Floorian long term, Yeah, it's a big.

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Speaker 4: You know, I need you know, I get ninety nine

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Speaker 4: million of that, so of course that's.

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Speaker 1: Going to help me. No. I mean again, if the

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Speaker 1: smartest move I think that you could probably make would

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Speaker 1: be to bring me on as somebody who could represent you,

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Speaker 1: because uh, I just you know, we need two hundred

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Speaker 1: broadcasts for Kenny, now that Saudi Arabia is on board,

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Speaker 1: but no very cool thing. And uh, you know it

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Speaker 1: is funny because there are conversations you have with spouses

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Speaker 1: over the years, right. It's like, hey, Kenny, I just

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Speaker 1: saw that Saudi Arabia invested one hundred million fl Will

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Speaker 1: we be seeing any of that money? Ah? But of

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Speaker 1: course hopefully the fighters will as well. All right, so

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Speaker 1: let us get into seadle Goan's master class. I think

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Speaker 1: you can call it that he gets Sergey Spivak out

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Speaker 1: of there by TKO at three forty four of round two.

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Speaker 1: Historically speaking, the plus ninety eight significant strike differential one

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Speaker 1: in a round two stoppage. But I do think the

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, man, I think that was huge in regards to

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Speaker 4: essentially what happened. Gon was able to dig that dictate

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Speaker 4: And you realize, you know, it's those kind of fights

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Speaker 1: It's like not really, you know, you never hear like, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know, a major league baseball coach or something being like, well,

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Speaker 4: and just let's just see what happens. You know, you

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of what Spivok was doing out there.

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Speaker 4: And you could see that, you know, those elite guys

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Speaker 1: Analytically, oftentimes we find ourselves trying to assess the winning

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Speaker 1: And I think the Spivoc side of this is that

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Speaker 1: question does beckins, why was he capable of this no

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Speaker 4: I think that is a very astute observation, because I

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Speaker 1: And I think that's critical to note.

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Speaker 4: And I think that when he does see his opportunities

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Speaker 1: He will do that. He certainly has that power.

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Speaker 4: I are going to start an MMA promotion one day.

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Speaker 4: I think we're pretty old though, so maybe we won't.

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Speaker 4: But it just dawned on me that we could have

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Speaker 4: Gon was monetarily incentivized to get somebody like Sergey Spivak

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Speaker 1: He could probably be that guy. I think that's sort

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Speaker 1: point about his frightening power, because yes, Jorzini rosenstrike he

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Speaker 1: Tom Aspinall. I'm not even ready to spend this forward

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Speaker 1: Jones and steep A and November. We are in a

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Speaker 4: I think Gone just needs to continue to fill in

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Speaker 4: not only will he just be a better overall fighter,

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Speaker 4: but I think we're going to see even more confidence

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Speaker 1: I do wonder about a steep A matchup for seatle Gone, right,

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Speaker 1: star of the program, the on the mend, Ray Longo.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the minute.

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Speaker 2: It is now time for the Ray Longo Minutes.

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Speaker 6: I'll get a poe a hole in this fucking subs.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's great to see Ray Longo. I've been calling

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Speaker 5: My man, I'll tell you definitely better than the last

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Speaker 5: on the men mentally, I'm back. I'm walking walking with

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Speaker 4: He always had a pimp walk, so it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: Those first couple of days.

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Speaker 5: I holy because I heard so many stories about people

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Speaker 5: So if you ever want to know how a hip

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Speaker 5: But the people, the people around me, Kenny, they'll tell

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Speaker 3: I can't thank them enough. Man.

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Speaker 5: My two daughters came in from the city and stayed

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Speaker 1: Uh, your wife is overdue to come on the podcast.

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Speaker 5: First off, Kenny's always easier on me than you.

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Speaker 5: Ran out and got me a cold brew. The import

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Speaker 1: Guy soaks his dentures and has leftover cole brew every night,

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Speaker 1: and it appears that that's the case. So I think overall,

435
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: a leg fracture, but good news for your guy.

436
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was convicted because I was with him.

437
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 5: Nobody examined them, and then all of a sudden he's

438
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 5: got a torn acl and them. I mean, people just

439
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 5: fucking bullshit. I mean it, it is amazing. I mean,

440
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 5: how do you make that determination? Seriously? Okay, nobody, I'm

441
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 5: telling you that they put ice on the but you

442
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 5: remember we said it. You said it was the other leg.

443
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 5: I said no, the ice was on the right leg.

444
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 5: I mean I was standing right there. And then with

445
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: the ligaments, He's like, he actually told me I had

446
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 5: my ligaments aren't torn?

447
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 3: You know whatever.

448
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 5: I'm glad that worked out for him because the fracture

449
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 5: actually is nothing, so especially to him that you ne Kenny,

450
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 5: A fraction is not as a mere flesh.

451
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy. That guy.

452
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not even going to convince him anything's wrong.

453
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 5: But uh, he's got some decisions to make. I think

454
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 5: he wants to go out on a win. I think

455
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: I'd like to see them set up one last fight

456
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: that's fair, and then that's it and then it's over,

457
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just go out.

458
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: I think he deserves it.

459
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 5: You know, he beat the greatest of all times twice,

460
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: and you know, I think he was a company man.

461
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 5: You know, the Machieta fight was great, the belt full

462
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: fire me had some really good fights, came around at

463
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 5: the right time to thrown the guy before he started

464
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 5: to slip. That guy was on top of the world

465
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 5: when Wideman got rid of him, and then you saw

466
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 5: him flounder after that. But uh so, I think that's

467
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer, you know, for sure, and I

468
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 5: hope they treat him like one, and I think that'll

469
00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 5: make him happy.

470
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, man.

471
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: Well, you know, obviously Morale and al Joe have made

472
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: a lot of news lately in their relationship because of

473
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 4: what Dana said. And you know, there's a lot to this,

474
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 4: right because generally speaking, this is an individual sport.

475
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: We're all trying to be a champion, but.

476
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: It is it is the fight game, and we learned

477
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: so much from the people that are around us, not

478
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: only from our coaches, but from our sparring partners, who

479
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: oftentimes we become so close to and we wouldn't be

480
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: able to get to a certain level without them, right,

481
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: whether it's them helping us with weight cuts, with sparring,

482
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: with technical advice, with video breakdoups, all the stuff that

483
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: goes into it when you have a tight training partner.

484
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on what Dana said? And I

485
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 1: don't know.

486
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: How do you think that affects the relationship, if at all,

487
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: between Morob and al Jel.

488
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 5: I can tell you it's not going to affect the

489
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: relationship at all.

490
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 3: But again, a.

491
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 5: Lot to unpack him out and I don't And at

492
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 5: the sake of really going off a little bit, I

493
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 5: want to keep it simple. But uh, first off, more

494
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 5: will fight O'Malley in December? Well, where where's that fight?

495
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 5: Like everybody's talking but that, and al Ja wants him

496
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 5: to fight. You heard him what he said would be

497
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 5: great for Georgie, you'd be.

498
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: Great for I.

499
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 5: Like, again, they're making more out of this than it is.

500
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: Nobody's saying. But why is Morob not fighting O'Malley in December?

501
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 5: He will one hundred percent take that fight. Why is

502
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 5: that not happening?

503
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: I have no counter artist.

504
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: He's the number one contender.

505
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 4: But is it because al Joe would get the rematch

506
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: before Morob gets the fight? Well, no, because that's what

507
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: they're talking about instead.

508
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: Well, because al Jo doesn't want to fight in December. Okay,

509
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying.

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 5: He's he's saying he's not fighting until twenty four and

511
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 5: O'Malley wants to fight in December, so let him. I mean,

512
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 5: I think that's a simple solution and then.

513
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: We'll figure it out after that.

514
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: You know, maybe then that that forces Aljo back up

515
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 5: to forty five, or maybe he takes the rematch with

516
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 5: O'Malley without a title shot.

517
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: I mean there's a million.

518
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 5: I don't view it as a problem, but give Morob

519
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: the title shot. You want to talk about the guy,

520
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 5: but you've never offered the guy a title shot. You

521
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: just all you offer him is do you want to

522
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: fight your friend? Let him fight O'Malley.

523
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kenny Morob's the number one contender. And I do

524
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: think it stands to reason if Shan O'Malley fights Morob

525
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: Dwallace Willie in December, that Morob is maybe a slight favorite,

526
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: And I could be wrong, And I think if Sean

527
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: O'Malley defends against Marlon cheto Vera, Shan O'Malley, despite a

528
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: loss against Cheetoh previous, is probably a two to one

529
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: favorite against Marlon cheedo Vera. So not that the odds

530
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: making lens is the only lens through which to look

531
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: at this but clearly on paper, Kenny, the Cheeto Vera

532
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: fight is more winnable for Shan O'Malley than the Morob fight. Silas, Kenny,

533
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: do you see it that way or no?

534
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think both fights can be tough, right, But yeah,

535
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: Morob's going to be a problem for any striker out there,

536
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 4: just because his ability to repeatedly without fail and uh,

537
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: without any lack of.

538
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: You know, getting tired.

539
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 4: He's going to get to your legs in some way,

540
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: shape or form, and he's going to try to continue

541
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 4: to do that.

542
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: And if he gets on.

543
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: Top of you, you're in big trouble. He's going to

544
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: be a handful for you. So yeah, no, I think

545
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: that would be accurate, you know, just based on his

546
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: style alone, I think he would be more of a

547
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: challenge for Sean. But perhaps that's where that is coming from.

548
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: Ray and I talked about off the air, go ahead,

549
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: go ahead.

550
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: No.

551
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: I was going to say, listen, if I'm the UFC

552
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 5: let Morob fight. You think o'mellley's a superstar, which she is,

553
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 5: let him fight Morob. He beats Moron. Think of is

554
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: set up that? Think of the money fight with ale

555
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: Joe after that would be I mean, if that's what

556
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 5: you want, I mean, take a fucking shot. But the

557
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 5: talking is just I don't know where it's coming from.

558
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: I really don't. No one's offered the guy a title shot.

559
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: He wants to fight O'Malley's been He's been calling for

560
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 5: O'Malley since Moscow. I'm not even joking. He called out

561
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: O'Malley in Moscow. How many years ago?

562
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: That was.

563
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, I think, yeah, I mean.

564
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, make the fight. He's the number one contender.

565
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: Winner getting welt in the jacket well, and I have

566
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: no horse in this race like Ray, right. I mean,

567
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: let's be clear, Kenny and I have far closer personal

568
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: relationships with Marlon Cheeto Vera than we do with Morob.

569
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: Now I love Morob, Obviously Loos brought us closer, but

570
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Morob after the loss to Ricky Simone, which we don't

571
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: even need to get into, right, he was seven and four.

572
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: He's now sixteen and four with nine consecutive wins over

573
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: the last five years. He has vaulted to become the

574
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: number one contender. To me, it's a really simple equation

575
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: right now with respect to the Ecuadorian and Ray and

576
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: I one thing we talked about off the air was

577
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: this whole Georgian contingent and Morob's perceived following. How do

578
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: we quantify Marlon Vera's ability to move the needle as

579
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: an opponent for Sean O'Malley in a rematch? Right, Chieto

580
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: has a huge following, We know that, But dude, there

581
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that Marob breaks at the

582
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: table as well that I don't think we're necessarily quantifying.

583
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: So I'd like to see that the rightful number one

584
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: contender get the shot.

585
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 5: Objectively, I think, I think it's simple to someb they

586
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: fight and then take it from there. But do you

587
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: want to keep talking about the relationship. I look, I

588
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: don't know. They're not going to fight each other. And

589
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: Morab will do construction. That's the type of guy he is,

590
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: you know, But it is I do. And again with

591
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: all it is, I understand from a promotional standpoint how

592
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 5: this could be frustrated.

593
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: But work around it.

594
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 5: There's a million fights to make you know what I mean,

595
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 5: There's there's a lot of great fights to make you know.

596
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: It doesn't you know, But if it's not the way

597
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 5: you know, Like again, it's more like a control thing.

598
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: You're gonna do what I say, you know what I mean.

599
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 5: I think that's where I'm feeling this is coming from.

600
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: For no reason.

601
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 5: You're picking on one of the nicest guys I've ever

602
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: met in the world, you know what I mean. Like,

603
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, Morob's gonna be a

604
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: happy camper this thing stops tomorrow. He's got me in friends,

605
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: other people. I don't care how much money you have,

606
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: See how many friends you have at the end of

607
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: the day, you know what I mean. So I don't

608
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 5: know where everything is coming from. But you got to

609
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: got a really good kid man. Let him fight that

610
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 5: he wants to fight, and he'll fight anybody. So what

611
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: so he doesn't care if he fights for the title.

612
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: Like if you're not here, if you're not here to

613
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: see who the best is. Well, there's about eight hundred

614
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: guys on the roster that I could tell you right now.

615
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: He ain't nowhere near the best, and they're never going

616
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: to be the best, you know what I mean.

617
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: Like there's a certain select amount of guys that that

618
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 5: applies to, right, I mean, like, yep, I don't know.

619
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 5: Look at half of the fight yesterday and as.

620
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: We've said, as we've said repeatedly on here, there is

621
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: a select group of champion that seems to be able

622
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: to call their shot. And while I think that plays

623
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: into this to some degree, thankfully, I guess if you

624
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: do want to make cheetoh O'Malley, Corey Sandhagen is injured

625
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and on the men because he would get in the

626
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: way of all of that with a recently they had

627
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: win over Marlon cheedto Vera. So yeah, we'll see what happens.

628
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.

629
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Can I move on, Let's do it. But can I

630
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: first say? Can I first say something?

631
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: Man Cyril gone, Man, I gotta tell you I love

632
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: watching this guy fight.

633
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean there's a.

634
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 5: Couple of things that Kenny, first off, as usual, spot

635
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 5: on with everything, but you know, even with speedback, I mean,

636
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 5: you do have to do something. But he made that

637
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 5: look like so fucking easy at that level that in

638
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: that aspect, I mean, and then.

639
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: You have the other side of that. That's how fucking

640
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 3: good John Jones is.

641
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: He moves up, he takes the guy that you know,

642
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: you got to look at that too, like there's nothing

643
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: stopping that.

644
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: From happening again, right, now in my opinion, and.

645
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: That's the crazy part. But I'll tell you what, standing up, boys,

646
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: I love watching this guy fight. There's something different too.

647
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: It's like, is he's unbelievable. He's fantastic, but there's a

648
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 5: there's that you know, that little hype. This guy looks

649
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: like he's ordering a Maloney sandwich and he's fighting. He

650
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: looks dude, It is like on bod you know, you

651
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: got a high level guy in front of you. The

652
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: guy doesn't even know what to do. And the reason

653
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: why he doesn't because every time he goes to do something,

654
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 5: he gets interrupted and then the frustration sets in and

655
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: then this is what you're seeing.

656
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: Even some of the punches that Don started through. I

657
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: think he.

658
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: Karate chopped him at one point, right, Jenny fucking He

659
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: like a what yeah?

660
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: Crazy?

661
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean like the a whole lot of heavyweights move

662
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: like that. It's almost gliding and gliding and loose. It

663
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: just me pretty.

664
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: It looked like like a bully beat down type of deal,

665
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, where he was so outclassed

666
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: at this guy. I tell you, I love watching him fight.

667
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: I just love the nonchalantess and his ability to control

668
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: everything is is freaking phenomenal, you know, But again, that

669
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 5: nonchalantness could also be what hurts him in the grappling department,

670
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 5: because that's an area where you have to get.

671
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: Code red real quick.

672
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 5: And yeah, you know that's the way I'm looking at it.

673
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Well, and I think that John Jones experience is going

674
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: to just be hugely beneficial in terms of having that

675
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: code red urgency when it comes to the grappling. But

676
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I think you absolutely nailed it, right, Baloney Sandwich. Nonchalant right,

677
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: almost as if he's like looking over the corner at

678
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: the end of round one, like, hey, we've probably moved

679
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: that after party up an hour. We're gonna get this

680
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: guy out of here soon, just going to go finish this.

681
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean truly look like he was having a sparing session.

682
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 5: And yes, and John as an opponent, how do you

683
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: think that makes that guy feel like he's like, I

684
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: don't even know I'm getting hit and it looks like

685
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: he's he's laughing at me. I mean it was I was.

686
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: I really enjoy watching that guy fight, you know. I

687
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: hope he clears up the wrestling stuff whatever got him

688
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: to the kickboxing put the same amount of love and

689
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 5: effort into the wrestling, and that guy's going.

690
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: To be a major problem.

691
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: Zero Gon, Sergey Pavlovich, Tom aspinall three heavyweight problems, all

692
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: unique in their own right, and all chasing presumably the

693
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: winner of John Jones and Steve A. Miacich, both of

694
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: whom could potentially retire after they meet November, and Pavlovitch

695
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: will be the backup. All right, I got to ask

696
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you about Ben was sant Denis over Thiago Moyses. The

697
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: TKO comes mercifully at four forty four of round two.

698
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: This guy is incredible, just absolutely incredible. If you know

699
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: the backstory, you know he was essentially a Navy seal

700
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: in France. Amorable UFC debut on short notice against Elesio

701
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Zeleski dos Santos. Some people feel like it's as close to,

702
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, witnessing a death in the octagon as we've seen,

703
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: and now he is just destroying increasingly high level fighters

704
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty five pounds. Kenfully, you fought

705
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: for this belt a couple of times. I'll start with

706
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: you on Ben was sant DENI you know, I know

707
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: I get a little bit too excited too early sometimes,

708
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: but chips in the center of the table on this kid.

709
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: For me, I love it.

710
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Man.

711
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: He's a destroyer. He wants to go out there and

712
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: break things. He brings the fight to you, and he

713
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: has a very exciting style because of it. You know,

714
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: moy says is a very good fighter in his own right.

715
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: He has improved his striking tremendously. But I think what

716
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: got me to pick sant Denis was the fact that

717
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: I think the pressure would be overwhelming, and.

718
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened.

719
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: It's not that he's doing anything on a technical level,

720
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my gosh, I've never seen that before.

721
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 4: But his pressure, his pacing, you know, similar to a

722
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: Justin Gaetchee or Tony Ferguson in his prime, where they

723
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: are so in your face.

724
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: You can't handle it.

725
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: There's nothing you could do to really get those guys

726
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 4: away from you. They keep coming no matter whatever you do.

727
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: And Santini is that guy. And I think there was

728
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 4: this overwhelming force that Moissas just didn't know how to

729
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: deal with it. So I look forward to seeing more

730
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: of him. You know, I don't know if he can

731
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: be a you know, top five, top ten guy in

732
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: that insane division, but he is going to make it

733
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: entertaining and just based on his pressure and pacing alone,

734
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: he really can be a problem for a lot of people,

735
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: no question about that.

736
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 5: Yeah bye, I absolutely love to fight now with a backstory,

737
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: even love him more.

738
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: But it's not.

739
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 5: He's not not technical. What is pressure? Pretty pact right,

740
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: throwing straight punch. So it's not like you know those

741
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: guys that are just bum rushing, you're swinging like lunatics.

742
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 5: This guy's calculated pressure and man, this it's he's on

743
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: a seek and destroy mission. I mean I thought he

744
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 5: ran through that guy like nobody else ever has and

745
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 5: just methodically, like Kenny said, just broke him down that

746
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 5: because it's not it's not he's throwing with pressure like

747
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 5: I think he understands uh you know, I think he

748
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: understands his range.

749
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Look good. Uh he he did a lot of really

750
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: good things in that fight. But just back to with

751
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: his special.

752
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 5: Forces attitude, because just because you're a Special Forces guy

753
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 5: doesn't mean you could cage fight, you know what I mean?

754
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: But when you could fight, you're bringing that mentality with you.

755
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 5: I think that's a huge thing man, and this this guy,

756
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 5: I love it. I just you could see he's I.

757
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: Think, like I agree with Kenny.

758
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: I don't know where the ceiling would be for him,

759
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 5: but he's never going to be an easy out for

760
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 5: any buddy.

761
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said seek and destroy, which is probably the

762
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: perfect nickname for him. I mean, they call him the

763
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: god of war. We do have ah, but seek and

764
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: destroy and it actually goes with his stony, with the

765
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: S and the D right Ben wasis seek and destroy Stany.

766
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: It's fucking perfect.

767
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: I like it. I love it, love it.

768
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: But yes, you have this French Special Forces operative like

769
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: a transformer fucking stalking you and moving at you. I

770
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: don't know, this was incredible for me to watch. I

771
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: don't know if I was maybe not sober or whatever,

772
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, I'm telling everybody who I was

773
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: watching with, which was just my daughter, telling them this

774
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Frenchman's gonna be champion.

775
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 3: What wore the odds on that fight?

776
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Minus one thirty five? Benuas Antony the favorite?

777
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so they did have him the favorite. Geeze.

778
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 5: I'm I'm excited for his next fight, and I think

779
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 5: that's all you want from people.

780
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll see if it isn't. Matt the Steamerla Forvola,

781
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: the number fourteen ranked lightweight in the world. If I

782
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: were you, guys, I would maybe steer clear of the Frenchman. No,

783
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

784
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 5: I'm hummon, humm, I'm man a human humm and hum

785
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 5: and humma humming a.

786
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Humm uh what what what are you talking about?

787
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, imagine those two guys swinging.

788
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shelby's not listening. No, we'll start. It happens. But

789
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: I do believe as I look at the top fifteen

790
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: in the UFC's lightweight division, there are guys that Stani

791
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: has a great chance to be just saying yeah.

792
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: Hey, this team running from nobody. I don't know if

793
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: I don't know if you noticed that yet.

794
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, bring it on.

795
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Thankfully you guys can't remember, I tell you.

796
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 5: Even with Fravola, I'm listening.

797
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that was the.

798
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 5: Who's the guy? Who's the guy he fought on one

799
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: days this in Abu.

800
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: Dabi armand Saruki.

801
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean like he he navigated the water.

802
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: Is pretty good with him and that kid. Yeah, I'd

803
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: like to see Serroukian against you know, against the seek

804
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: and destroy guy.

805
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I'd of course you would. Of course, yeah, baby, of

806
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: course you will. I'm gonna tell Sean.

807
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you see how easy it is as a matchmaker,

808
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 5: how you can maneuver it things and get guys to

809
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 5: cirt response and have them avoids to.

810
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: Of course the joke.

811
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you send somebody in all black like the pistol

812
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: to al Joe's house and say, hey, you're gonna fight

813
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley on August nineteenth, don't you just kidding?

814
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: All right?

815
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we have a segment on the show called

816
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: the minute Man of the Week. You're going to give

817
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: out your performer of the week. So you could go

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Ben was Antony, You could go see it on God.

819
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: You could get Volcanoes Demir, whom we will get to.

820
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: But as you marinate on the minute Man of the Week,

821
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Antiki Florian podcast poll question at Anti Florian understanding that

822
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: Seattle Gon broke through and became an interim UFC champion,

823
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: who is France's best chance to become the UFC's first

824
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: homegrown on disputed champion out of France Monol Fure, Ben

825
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: was Antony or Seedle Gone. There are others out there,

826
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: of course, William Gomes, No Sordini, Mabov. I'm not sure

827
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: he was born there. Maybe he was, but I thought

828
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: it was interesting. With thirty eight point five percent of

829
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: people believe it will be monol Fure, twenty eight point

830
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: four percent of you thought Seedle gone, thirty three point

831
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: five percent of you said Ben was Antony. And if

832
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: that isn't recency bias, I don't know what is. But

833
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of the fan base that was heard

834
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: from there shares my intrigue for Ben wasikh and destroy

835
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: sant Deny. But I do think that's interesting if you

836
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: oric could be a shorter path.

837
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going with Cyril gon on that one. I like.

838
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Had he pronounced the names pure what's the girl's name?

839
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 5: Sure, I like it, but I don't I'm not I'm

840
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 5: not seeing the X factor she's I mean that fight

841
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 5: was Look, the fight with Rose was one hundred percent

842
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 5: one to fight. I actually gave her every round, but

843
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 5: but it was competitive, you know, and that's a little

844
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 5: girl coming up.

845
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: To twenty five. I don't uh she did.

846
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: The Chuoke fight was pretty close to if I'm not mistaken, right,

847
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 5: wasn't that a was that was.

848
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: A competitive fight?

849
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 5: So She's not like Cyril Ghan is blowing people away,

850
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: you know, the other guy seek and destroy. He's he's

851
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: doing the same thing. I think they have the X

852
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 5: factor for different reasons. You know, one guy with unbelievable intensity,

853
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: hot and design, the other guy just with comfortability and relaxation.

854
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 5: But I'm not seeing it with with how yet. But

855
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: we'll see what happened. She's still got a couple of

856
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 5: fights to go. I think the Blanchefield fight would be

857
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: a horrible matchup for him, to be honest.

858
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: With you, Yeah, I think Landsfield. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, no,

859
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I I don't disagree with that. Go ahead.

860
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: You just think I just did Blanchfield with the wrestling. Yeah,

861
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: that's that's the difference. Answer.

862
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 5: It looks like she's not afraid to stand up and

863
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: take the punches, and and that girl doesn't.

864
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Look like a super hard punch it.

865
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 5: You know, she's uh, she's you know, she's got the sidekicks,

866
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: she's got the volume going, but nothing standing out like,

867
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 5: who's the girl that just fought Blanchfield huge power?

868
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean she could say you

869
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So did yeah? Go ahead?

870
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: So I just want to get Kenny's thoughts in terms

871
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: of who might become France's first home grown on Disputed Champion,

872
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: because I think even though Seattle Gone got the least

873
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: amount of our vote, I think he's probably the right answer,

874
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: not just based upon what we saw Saturday night, but

875
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: based upon how close he is right now. Certainly there

876
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: are difficult names there, but it seems like some of

877
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: those heavyweights Jones and Stee might be on the way out. Kenny,

878
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: if you were forced to decide, I'm a if you're

879
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: sile Gone and been Wi Santoni, I mean, Santini's not

880
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: even ranked the other two or top contenders. Who do

881
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: you think becomes Francis first on disputed Champion or maybe

882
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: is it none of the above?

883
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Santini or sant Fini as I call him. I think,

884
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: you know, I want to see more from him as

885
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: against higher level competition. I think we've seen that from

886
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: Fire now. Cyril Gone, of course, has faced some high

887
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: level competition. So out of those guys, I don't know.

888
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: I think Cyril Gun probably has the best chance just

889
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: based on the fact that, and you alluded to it,

890
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: I think Stepe and John Jones are probably on the

891
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: way out. I would not see him getting past John

892
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: Jones at the stage of the game again, just based

893
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: on John Jones's reach and his ability to take people down.

894
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: But after that, I mean, who really do I see

895
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: as a threat to Cyril Gun.

896
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: I think Cyril Gun himself. Man Ray, who's the minute

897
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: man of the week for you? Who's the mini man

898
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: of the week.

899
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give a shout out to Nicki Lamanga. He's

900
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: a good friend of mine. But man, a guy sending

901
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 5: me Harry and David packages every day. Oh wow, just

902
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: a great guy. So I don't know he gets my

903
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 5: award this week. He also has a podcast, the eight

904
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: Game Podcast.

905
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: Great guy.

906
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 5: I'm sure your brother met him in Boston, but I'm

907
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: not sure that.

908
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: So I'm just realizing, Kenny, that I dropped the ball

909
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: on something. So I hope I'm not speaking out a term.

910
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: But as we were taping the podcast last week, you know,

911
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Kenny knew that he and his wife Clark were going

912
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: to have to put their dog Lucy down after the

913
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: shoe and they rescued this dog in southern California. And

914
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make Ken fo all emotional, but

915
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: I sent my guy Ken for a Boston coffee cake

916
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: because he's my guy. Ray got his whole leg surgically repaired,

917
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't send him any.

918
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 5: You need a dog to die, Ray, he didn't have

919
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something that you know, you know

920
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: what you know, Kenny, I'll tell you.

921
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be I'll be honest with you. As a

922
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: door going on, I get it, I get it.

923
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 5: There's nothing even, there's nothing even room, there's and I'm

924
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 5: I'm my dog now.

925
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: Is thirteen or fourteen minutes? Uh? Oh, I don't know.

926
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: That's a tough.

927
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: It's so tough to say goodbye.

928
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: Man.

929
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, my wife so attached.

930
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 3: As she should, everybody should.

931
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: Lucy's been an amazing dollar, was an amazing dog for us.

932
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: It was tough. John. Thank you again man for sending that.

933
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: This guy.

934
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: John, whether it's showing anything that has happened that has

935
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: been tough, John is always there. This this guy's an

936
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: amazing friend. So uh, I really appreciate that, man, Thank you, John.

937
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 5: I wish I wish I could say the same because

938
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 5: I'm sitting here all the fuck even.

939
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: He didn't even send you any drugs. I mean, this

940
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: is ridiculous.

941
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: The fucking dual Dutch feated better than me.

942
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean I and goes out to Kenny,

943
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: but I mean I had my fucking FEMA boat sword.

944
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 5: If this cpsucker couldn't give me ship got me on

945
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 5: the podcast, I'm fucking that.

946
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. Rotten, rotten, I've been

947
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I've been calling you every day, but I we are

948
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: going to send you something that that is an over.

949
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: And Kenny, I'm not I'm not sure he sent that

950
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 5: to you, just so we can say it in front

951
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 5: of me, because he knows I didn't send you Jack Ship.

952
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Actually I had no intention of bringing it up as such.

953
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: I brought I brought it up so late in the show.

954
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: But no, it just dawned on me that you had surgery.

955
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: And I haven't sent you anything yet being the operative word,

956
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: because we are going to send you something in the mail.

957
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: But very nice that your other buddy is the med

958
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: and man of the week. I was looking for, maybe

959
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: like Steele Gone or Anthony de Lemmi or an actual fighter.

960
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: Oh man, I'll tell you what the man let me

961
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 5: let me let me throw the Lemmy in there too,

962
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 5: because I tell you, his win did make me feel

963
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 5: very good while I was sitting here watching the TV.

964
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 5: So yesterday was like the last two days, the first

965
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 5: days I even gave a shit about watching TV.

966
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: I was like a little baby, you know, but.

967
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: Uh, American's good now, I was.

968
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: I was a fucking I was a big bitch. I

969
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: wasn't a little bitch. I was like, the fuck is

970
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 3: going on?

971
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 5: I thought I'd be running through this shit and I was,

972
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 5: you know, you try to do everything right, die ways

973
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 5: and nothing. But you know, I was always working out,

974
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 5: and I was like, man, I have to be able

975
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 5: to get through this quicker. And I'm getting through it.

976
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 5: But I said, I get it now, you know. I

977
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: mean everybody says I'm ahead of schedule, but you know,

978
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 5: what is Kenny?

979
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: When you were active?

980
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 5: Like I was trying to tell John, I went from

981
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: Nashville to Vegas, you know, for the Contender series, flew

982
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: home the next day, he got in the car, drove

983
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 5: to fucking Boston. You know, my life went from like

984
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty miles an hour down to down

985
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: to three. Like and you're just sitting here like what

986
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 5: am I doing? Like I can't do anything? You know,

987
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 5: you can't put your socks on.

988
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: You can't. It's and I never depended on anybody for anything,

989
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: so to me, I'm not that guy. I don't want

990
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: to bother people.

991
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 5: I don't want to it just I came to a

992
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 5: grinding holk that that I didn't think was going to happen.

993
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 5: You know, I think I thought my recovery was going

994
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 5: to be out in the lounge chair in the sun.

995
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 5: I can't get on the couch, it's too low. You know,

996
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 5: you can't put your hip in this position.

997
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: You can't do that. So I don't know.

998
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 5: It was a little different that way. So once I

999
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 5: adjusted to that mentally, I'm good to go.

1000
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: Like I probably.

1001
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 5: Like you know, like again, i haven't used that walker

1002
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: in five days, so I'm on the cane and.

1003
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: It probably without the cane. But I approved.

1004
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 5: Of anything I can go because I'm.

1005
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 3: Coming to as skin over. Yeah. Man, this is like COVID,

1006
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: like you trapped.

1007
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: Well your energy back. Yeah, I can't wait to see

1008
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: you just walking around with that pimp cane, as Cody

1009
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: says in perpetuity. Yeah, hey, before your audio, before your

1010
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: audio goes completely in the fucking trash cannon, there he goes.

1011
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask him about al Jamain Sterling,

1012
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: arguably the best weightcutter in MMA. His brother Troy Sterling

1013
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: missed weight. I believe in his CFFC fight did not happen.

1014
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: I was going to ask him about that, but that's

1015
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: going to do it because we're gonna get on out

1016
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: of here. The one thing I just want to say

1017
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: in close on the Gonspivok fight card, Vulcan uzdamir man

1018
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: like as I tell my kids all the time, hard work, dedication.

1019
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: It sounds very Floyd Mayweather, but it's the foundation of

1020
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: any person's success for the most part. Right and here

1021
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: he is, thirteenth UFC fight. A lot of people fancied

1022
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: this boggedn't gouskava guy who's going to come in and

1023
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: knock his head off, and Bogden didn't land a big

1024
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: shot early, but Uzdmir continuing to round out his game

1025
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: get it done by rear naked choke his seventh UFC

1026
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: win and even though he's been a little bit up

1027
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: and down, had the big losing streak after the Daniel

1028
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Cormier title fight, just wanted to shout out Bulcanos to

1029
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: mere Switzerland, by the way, is the one country I

1030
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: think that my wife really wants to go too. But

1031
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: I just feel like this guy has worked hard, put

1032
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: in the right work, and you know, nice to see

1033
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: him get his seventh PFC win, and just wanted to acknowledge.

1034
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: You couldn't agree more.

1035
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: Man, Listen, I think rounding at your game like that

1036
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 4: and having your ground game now be a weapon is

1037
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 4: pretty impressive.

1038
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: Man.

1039
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: He has come such a long way, showed a lot

1040
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 4: of toughness in that fight. That other guy goos Golf

1041
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: is very very dangerous. Whether the storm came back, found

1042
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 4: a way to win and he did.

1043
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: It on the ground. Awesome stuff, all right. Good news,

1044
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: bad news. Bad news is we're done for today. Good

1045
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: news is we will be back in like forty eight

1046
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: hours with a significantly longer show. Actually, our UFC two

1047
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: ninety three preview severe Mma Sewn Sheen scheduled to join us.

1048
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: A lot of good stuff with him coming up on

1049
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor and Ian michadeo'garia lining in Dublin, Ireland. We'll

1050
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: also get seven predictions from Ken Flow and Brian Petree

1051
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: for UFC two ninety three. I am wheels up to Sydney, Australia,

1052
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll see it for the press conference from there on Thursday,

1053
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: and of course a lot of content coming your way

1054
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: in advance of the pay per view Saturday night. We

1055
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: more sleeve Sydney designs are out at millions dot co.

1056
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: The Anti Chlorian podcast merch can be found at antichlorianpodcast

1057
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Speaker 1: dot com. Several new designs coming down the pike in

1058
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the not too distant future. Also, don't forget Kenny Floryandmartial

1059
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Arts dot Com at August Integrated Defense as well, and

1060
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: we'll see later in the week if Ken Flow is

1061
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: back in the champ the last style bender for the

1062
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: American Sean Strickland, plenty more on two ninety three coming

1063
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: up in a few days. Thanks to everybody out there

1064
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: for listening, for watching. We will talk to you on Thursday,

1065
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: if not sooner for Ken Flum, John k Until then,

1066
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: you'll let me.

1067
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 6: Make you showing me that.

1068
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 7: Bush every time I thought at first, up weak at

1069
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 7: these three commandment kind of like udo because I never

1070
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 7: planned how am I planned it?

1071
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: Say?

1072
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 6: Look, wait then, make the patches look like the answers.

1073
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: This is the other one. Your bloods the only color

1074
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 6: on the canvas.

1075
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 7: And I don't mean it's like a suck sense of

1076
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 7: how you can get God hook being shank stym hip hop.

1077
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 6: You got it every time you walk in the label

1078
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 6: the A.

1079
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 7: I was like nodded immune leadership because I suckle cuckle

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Speaker 7: guy got it by the heat is atactically gotta beat

1081
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 7: out on God.

1082
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Speaker 6: The street copase he started thinks like a.

1083
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Speaker 7: Climate to speak and speak elitistly off the high horse

1084
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 7: making ascid abuse. Your DJ must not know the alphabet

1085
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Speaker 7: forget in this cube. My favorite DJ got those in

1086
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Speaker 7: six extra elfer abuse as a termic John P And

1087
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Speaker 7: I'm the new Kids Store. I'm ready to l's nice touch,

1088
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 7: reaching show a bust of mustyles. He gonna send your

1089
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 7: ego tripping w fregal flat Miles.

1090
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 6: DJ wants to get to the bird and get into

1091
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 6: the burden.

1092
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Speaker 3: Edinburgh,