WEBVTT - George Civeris Disobeys Bridger 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:14.440 And I invited you here. I thought I made myself 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:21.239 perfectly clear. But you're a guest to my home. You 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:27.240 gotta come to me empty And I said, no guests, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:34.400 you're our presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.240 So how did you dare to surbey me? 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:54.160 Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Brigard wineger Ah. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.480 We're in the studio. We were supposed to be in 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.000 the backyard, but Annalist got in touch and mentioned something 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.320 about flash flooding and the rain, and it is raining. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.440 I don't know about the flash flooding. I don't know 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.560 if this is something on at least cooked up just 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.600 to spend more time in burbank, as they love to do. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.319 But we're here in the studio. I drove over using 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.399 surface streets. I took off highways on Google Maps, and 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.280 it took twice as long. It simply took thirty five 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.320 minutes compared to seventeen. I drove through ten miles of 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.240 Los Angeles neighborhoods and it felt incredible. I'm here safe, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.000 our guest is safe, We're all safe. For now. It's 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.920 an absolute. I mean, it's just a The storm outside 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.000 is historic I think we should get into the podcast 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.160 because I love today's guest. It's George Severis. George, welcome 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:50.680 to I said. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.320 No guests. Hello, it is an honor to be here. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.040 You're the first person I'm speaking to today. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.200 What time did you wake up? 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.360 I woke up like at a normal time, Like maybe, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.760 but I'm in an airbnb by myself. Actually I did 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.480 speak to the person that I ordered coffee from, Okay, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.079 and I went up to him. Right after a woman 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.360 that went up to this is just a normal coffee shop. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.600 And she went up and she goes, do you guys 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.000 have just like water? And I just thought it was 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.480 like such a beautiful Los Angeles statement, like do. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.560 We know if she was thinking of like she wanted 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.800 a cup of water, she wanted a bottle of water. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.400 I think she ended up getting a cup, but it 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.360 just was really such a like there's we've become so 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.880 complex in our specialty drink orders that it's now gotten. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.000 It's like horseshoe theory, where it's now actually the most 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.519 insane thing you can order is just a glass of water. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.880 Is the base of everything. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.880 Yeah, it's like how I you know, I get dairy 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.120 milk with my coffee. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:51.919 Sorry, oh boy, we can get it to that too. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.560 And so, but there was a time. You know, now 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.800 that Trump is back in office, dairy milk is legal again. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.080 But there was a time when you actually had to 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.120 like ask if they that was even off or places right. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.040 So I had to become the girl that's like, do 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.520 you guys have just like cow Milton, what is your order? 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.720 My order? 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.640 Actually, I'm now just drip coffee hole, which is the 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.359 most basic. It's like borderline Republican. It's like diner. I'm 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.320 like just an all American cup of coffee. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.480 I don't feel like that is borderline republic And I 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.040 feel like, you know, going super extreme if you have 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.079 like more than four words in your order, I think 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.680 you're starting to you're closing in on conservative territory. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.080 Sure, I mean I think it's tough because basically what 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.240 I have slowly realized in the same way that like 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.160 skinny jeans went from being gay to being straight or 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.360 whatever like to being oliver truly like Republicans. Yes, everything 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.080 that used to be a sign of like hippie dep by, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.200 you know, like New Mexico liberal or whatever is now 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.320 is now like rfk coded it's the weird. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.120 Yeah, like spirituality, Chiro, pract everything has just become a 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.800 complete muddy mess exactly. It's impossible to tell what anyone 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.520 is at this point, and so it's strange. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.000 I was thinking about that. Sorry, I promise I'm not 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.760 someone to talk about politics as much. I keep politics. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.080 I'm actually gonna stop. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.880 This to pod save America. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.640 This is the last thing I would say. But when 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.000 Tim Walls, remember him, when Tim Walls this thing was like, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.560 they're weird, We're normal. I was like, this feels like 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.359 a real shift, like sour thing. Our thing as the 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.720 Left is that we're normal. That's like that is our 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.840 official talking point. That cannot end. Well, and honey, you 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:37.680 did it. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.039 It s imp they didn't, but it's kind of true 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.000 at this point. Yeah, at least, or maybe we're just boring. Yeah, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:44.880 maybe that's the word. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.080 We should be doing, which again can't be the messaging. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.080 As boring. I think that the what should have the 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.159 word he should have been using is pervert. Yeah, we 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.360 should have been labeling them pervert. That's kind of what 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:58.480 weird was code for. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.000 Yeah, and then you're sort of claim I mean, it's 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.960 tough because obviously the stereotype is like gay people are 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.080 perverts and now and now we're like no longer perverse, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.480 no longer perverts. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:11.680 I'm a pervert. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.320 Well, same, And that's the thing. It's like, how much 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.320 ground are you willing to seed right to like prove 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.120 that we're normal? 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.320 Yeah, And I what, I don't know that there's even 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.760 a model of normal at this time. I think it's 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.040 just literally it comes down to minding your own business, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.719 which I've always been very good at. Yeah, except for 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.839 I'm also extremely nosy and a giant gossip I know. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:44.400 How do you feel about the like reclamation of gossip 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.000 as like no longer bad? Like, don't you think there's 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.320 like this thing It started with people being like gossip 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.440 is feminist because it's like whisper networks, the truth be 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:54.839 told and the truth is being. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:55.920 Just getting out somehow. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:01.880 And I feel like then that became almost like cliche 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.120 And now I don't know where we stand with gossip. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.839 Well, it's weird with gossip because I think there was 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.920 this giant drought of it during COVID when we were 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.920 so separate from each other totally. We were whenever I 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.919 would have a friend come over to the house, it 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.560 was like news of the world. You were just desperate 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.800 to hear anything about any other person, and it felt 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.920 it was so electrifying. Yeah, and now it does it 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.039 just feels like it's almost entirely conversation. It's like there's 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.320 nothing else to talk about. I think it's also because 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.680 still nobody's ever working. We're never in an office with 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.919 each other. Yes, so like what used to be like 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.240 this spicy thing during the day is now you're still 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.440 kind of desperate to hear it, and it's almost always 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.720 I mean, it doesn't make you a better person than. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.320 You, No, no, it does it. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.640 I loved I still love to hear it. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:47.880 It's better than small. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.400 Talk, yes, but it almost is just essentially Yeah, but 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.640 that's kind of all anyone wants to hear anymore. Have 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:56.719 you heard any gossip? 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.240 I know, you know, for a while before where it 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.400 became public, I had heard about the Barack Obama Jennifer 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.960 Andison rumor, and I really was like every time people 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.160 will be like, do you have GUSSA, I'd be like, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.880 boy do I like for months and now I can 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.320 no longer have that as And then people were like 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.239 do you believe it? And I'm like, it's not about 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:19.680 that for me, Like. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.880 Well that that and that rumor has also taken on 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.200 new life in other categories which I feel like we 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.680 can't even talk about the cat and they're not again. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.720 This is also goes back to minding your own business 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.480 sort of thing where it's like if I had heard, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.400 if I just knew Barack and knew Jennifer Andison as 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.200 people who were not public figures. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.760 You would love them. You would love Barrock. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.120 They dropped you off at the suiting, Yeah, yeah, No. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:43.960 Jen always is driving me around. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.080 She was the person asking about water this morning. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.160 She's it's her guest room. I'm staying at my Airbnb 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.520 that I was talking about. She actually needs some extra 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.800 income and she's been renting out her guest room. She's 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.560 in this two bedroom. She has a housemate and it's 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.440 just them and the dogs, and it's always nice to 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.080 be there, you know, she and she always has whole 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:02.680 milk for me. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.440 It's tough times in home. Yeah, yeah, But it is 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.160 one of those things where I like, if they weren't 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.640 public figures, I'd be like, yeah, they're in an opener, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.520 somebody's in an open relationship. I don't care it sounds 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.960 like they're having a wonderful time. They're both great looking people. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.920 But it what I think, celebrity gossip is also also 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.960 kind of boring to me. I agree, because it's I 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.520 don't care, it has no effect on me whatsoever. I 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.480 might as well be talking about fictional characters. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.440 Here's a question for you. Do you care more about 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.520 gossip that's like cheating, interpersonal marriages, or gossip that's more 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.840 like professional This person, like you know, got a book 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.480 deal but didn't submit a draft like that kind of thing. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.079 That's I'm more interested in professional and they're just generally 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:51.760 a bad person behavior. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.400 I agree, And I actually think that is the more 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.520 moral type of gossip. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.160 Absolutely because I do it. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.760 Yes and well of course. But then also the other 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.000 type of GUYSIP took care to think cheating and open 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.400 and like non monogamy as scandals, you actually have to 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:09.640 have conservative family value. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.760 You have to essentially have the brain of a child exactly. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.520 It's like you just don't understand that relationships are complicated. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.120 Everything is complicated in that way, yes, whereas the other 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.079 sort of gossip, it's like if you're a if you're 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.360 acting like a shithead it's pretty cut and dry. You're 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.760 just being a bad person and I love to talk 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.480 about it. Or if you're like, see now there is 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.120 so much gossip. I would love to talk to you 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.160 right now. There are like certain specific things I've heard 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:33.800 about recently. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.520 We just excuse. I recently heard someone who wrote a 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.760 terrible book got six hundred thousand dollars advance on it. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.439 And I've been telling you everyone I know. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.920 Oh, can you say there any when we could beep it? 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.920 Or is this just something we can talk about after 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:49.599 the podcast? 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.760 You know? I wonder if it's someone you would know. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.240 It is actually a fellow podcaster, but not a fellow comedian, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.920 so it's not someone in our immediate community. But I 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.760 am sure, Okay, can I say that we'll beep it? 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:07.200 I mean, on Sam, your co host, it's some tag famously, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.800 his is the only episode of the show we've beeped 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.920 another name. Really, we might as well have it be match. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.600 Okay, Yes, let's keep it. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.880 It's interesting. Oh what a shame. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.240 It would be iconic if then you just didn't beep it. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.320 And then and then I this random person that I 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.880 literally never met my life, was like furious at me. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.960 Because I A said their book was terrible. That wasn't 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.640 some sort of pronoun joke. By the way, I'm just 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.080 like wanting to uh. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.920 Yes, yes, of course, and will analyse will tastefully this 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.679 make it exactly what it is. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.440 You know, it's funny. Okay, Actually, now I'm gonna stop 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:43.920 talking about it because if I keep talking about it, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.120 then we have to keep beeping it. The point is 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.280 one of my favorite types of gossip, which is also 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.120 I feel like a very New York kind of gossip 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.560 is gossiping about specific number like what people got paid 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.440 for their book deals of course, for books that like 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.000 ultimately no one will read, like no one reads. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.640 Books unless it is that the thing that became the 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:07.760 Blake Lively movie. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.240 Yes, well, of course yes. And fiction is different because 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.080 it can be optioned. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.280 Right, I mean, it's almost built to be optioned. Fiction 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.960 is sort of basically like a pitch document. Truly. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.480 It's crazy sometimes because I will, even though I know 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.800 new novels are mostly bad, I do fall for the 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.120 marketing campaigns and I'll read them and I'm like, this 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.000 is at a second grade reading level, and it's like, right, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.839 it's made for Ryan Murphy. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.520 But it's made to be easy, so people will read. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.240 It, yes, and so specifically Hollywood people will read it. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.160 Yeah. I fall for it for that reason, and because 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:44.880 I'm like, well, everyone else is reading it, so I 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.640 need to know what's going on. I know, And then 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.920 it's just this massive waste of time and I'm mad. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.400 The biggest example of this and I can't. I mean, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.959 I only read probably ten pages before being like, wait, oh, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.400 I know what's going on. Was there was like a 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:02.439 big New York Times thing about the fireflies or what 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.760 was that thing that was that horrible? I mean, it's 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.640 truly a bad piece of literature that became. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.520 Oh, I know what you're talking about. Is it the wait? 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.400 Is it the one that. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.800 What's it called set in a swamp or something? 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.600 Hmmm, the Fireflies of Swamp. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.599 I remember. It was just like huge thing about it 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.320 becoming like a runaway bestseller, and I was so curious 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.160 and I started reading. I was like, oh, yeah, it's 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.920 because most people stopped literally stopped reading books in eighth grade. Yes, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:33.200 and God bless, but that like that's all they're capable of, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.120 and so the big books become these things that are 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:37.920 written for young adults. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.080 I actually feel so alienated from it because I was 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.080 about to say the sentence I think of myself as 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.440 a reader, Please bleep that. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.760 But like whatever Brook the book where the Crawdads, that's 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.559 the one I was, okay, where the close fireflies in 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.400 the swamp, where the thank you? 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.199 Yeah? What is it? 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.439 Where the crowd dancing? Right? 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.000 And they made a movie out of that with It's 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.840 like not Blake Live, but it might as well have been. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.240 The person from Big Little Lies? 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:05.920 Was that? 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.960 What's her name, Shyleen shale Lean. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.920 Yes, by the way, Shalleen very good on stage? I 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.040 saw her on stage and she was very good. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.000 What was she doing on stage? 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.160 She's in the She was on Broadway right now on 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.240 a show called Cult of Love, a written by Leslie 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.480 Headlind And it actually I just read is being made 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:20.120 into a film. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.000 Okay, And again another thing that's kind of a it's 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.360 like here's a proof of concept and we make it 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:27.400 on TV or film. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.439 Yeah okay, so wait, you were talking about something before 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.000 as whatever we. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:33.960 Were talking about gossip? 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.680 Oh, no, books I feel alienated by Like when I 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:42.760 look at what is selling well, like it's romanticy is 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:43.400 the big oh? 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:43.880 Yes? 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.960 So Romanticy is huge. I don't even know a single title, 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.640 but that's like what everyone's reading. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.880 But you can almost like the second you see a 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.960 title of a book, you're like, oh, that's that must 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:54.760 be romanticy. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:14:00.440 Yes, And of course the woman who wrote Blake Lively movie. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.080 Yes, Colleen Hoover, Colleen Hoover, Colleen, Colleen. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.560 Colleen, Colleen. I would actually love to be named Colleen 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:10.959 and be like it's actually pronounced. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.200 Yeah. I think there's like there will rare just very 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.160 occasionally be a book that breaks through. That's like Sylie 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.360 Rooney's Yeah, like Sally Rooney. But other than that, And again, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.560 Sally Rudey is an interesting one because her I think 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.200 her writing is I really love her writing her novels, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.480 but it's also very clean, pros and easy, not in 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.400 a bad way, but like it's not well. Her latest 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.640 is probably difficult for people to read. There's a little bit. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.440 Really, it's the only one I haven't. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.200 Read almost stream of consciousness or like you're in different 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.720 people's heads at different times. So it's probably her most 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.960 challenging for the general reader. Yeah, but she's one of 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.360 the few that can actually break through. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.840 I know it's like, and it's sort of the best 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.640 we can hope for. I actually really don't like it 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.280 when people will shit on Sally Rooney because I'm like, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.560 do you understand how she's the only one we have? 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.520 I know, true, we have got to support this. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.760 There is one smart woman writing books that are being read. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.800 There are many smart women writing books, but only one 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.960 is being read. And like, at the end of the day, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.000 like they are good. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.000 Yes, and she's writing to her own intelligence level in 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.560 saying the things that she wants to say. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.760 Same thing she wants to say, not like appealing to 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.560 some like Yes, her books have become series in films 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.600 and whatever, right, but I think she's challenging herself with 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:33.120 each one. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.720 Yes, And I mean I think it also helps that 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:36.360 they're sexy. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:37.200 Yes, they are. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.040 Almost everyone has something that's relatively sexy that you get 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.280 to picture, like an Irish hunk, totally, and I think 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.400 that helps in some way. I agree this latest one 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.080 has two irishmen, so hopefully that will help. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.360 I have to say Chess is challenging for me, Oh sure, sure, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.560 because it makes me feel dumb, Yeah, of course, which 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.080 is also how about cross for puzzles? 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.400 Oh? Interesting? Many crossword, but I refuse to do a 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:05.080 big crossword. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:06.800 So my husband is one of those people that like 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.040 has been doing it for decades and like prides himself 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.920 in his on his time right record or whatever, and 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.440 like every morning, like in bed, he does it in 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:17.080 six minutes. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.440 Wow, that's amazing. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.200 And when we were first dating, I was like, I'm 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.600 going to try to impress him by starting to do 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:22.440 it myself. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.160 And I was so bad at it it actually. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.320 Made me resent him. I was like, I don't why 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:27.640 this first makes me feel bad. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.760 But the thing about crosswords, the big secret, is that 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.760 it is a puzzle that you learn how to do, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:41.000 which uh and no, nothing about your husband totally, but 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.520 it's not entirely about intentionally. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:47.480 He's a complete idiot. He's just literally like pressing buttons 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.040 like a monk. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.200 Barely function. He just figured out how to do this 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:51.800 one thing. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.840 No, I mean, that's also what he says. But then 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.960 I'm like, okay, but then even that shows the level 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.640 of commitment. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.800 My problem same. I refuse to commit to anything that's difficult, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:04.639 take any level of time. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.320 No, I feel the same way, and I actually don't 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.840 know how to fix that. And that's why I'm here. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.720 Do you play connections I have. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.159 I definitely am more into something like that than the 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.320 crossroad I do, like I went through a world affairs 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.080 like everyone else. I do spelling the occasionally, and I 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:33.800 can get into that kind of thing, but I've never been. Okay, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.440 let me know if you if this like resonates, there's 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.320 a type of gay guy that's like it's like word games, trivia. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.960 Like I used to be part of this thing called 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.879 Learned League, which is like a trivia league. Do you 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.600 know anyone who doesn't know it's It's one of these 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.480 like kind of nerdy trivia things. And then you find 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.160 out this person you thought was normal is randomly amazing 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.560 at trivia. And I tried doing I would always be 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.159 like in the bottom like fifth of all rankings, And 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.000 I was like, this is just making me feel bad 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:06.679 about myself. Of course, But then I've been reading have 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.280 you ever read Amusing Ourselves to Death? 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:09.280 Yes? Of course. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:10.960 Okay, So I've been reading it for the first time 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.840 because I thought maybe it would make me feel sane 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.040 or about like social media and stuff. It's not. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.280 I mean, it was written in the. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.520 Eighties, in the eighties, but it is still very lot 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.840 of it's extremely rong. But one thing that he says, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.800 which I think is interesting, is that like television and 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.760 you know, by extension, new media has made information into 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.720 entertainment and that gave rise to like trivia culture and 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.439 like trivial pursuit and things like that, because it's like 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.000 you learn all these things, but you don't learn them 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.359 in context, and you don't learn them as part of 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.240 like a broader worldview. You just know little facts and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.520 all that prepares you for rather than being like an 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.320 informed citizen is just like being good at trivia. And 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.119 so that made me think, like, oh, so it's actually 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.880 like flop to be good at trivia, Like so I'm 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.200 I'm actually the smart one for reading, like for you know, reading, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.040 let's say like a couple of books where I learn 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.080 about a topic in depth, but not having broad trivia knowledge. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.719 And people that know trivia are basically sorry, amusing themselves 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.120 to death, pernial postman. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.760 They have there's nowhere for that information to go for them, 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.200 Yeah they have. They have no actual skills. They're essentially 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.960 worthless to society totally except for their kind of fun 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.800