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Speaker 3: Yes, And of course the woman who wrote Blake Lively movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Colleen Hoover, Colleen Hoover, Colleen, Colleen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's like there will rare just very

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Speaker 3: Really, it's the only one I haven't.

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Speaker 3: I know it's like, and it's sort of the best

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Speaker 3: do you understand how she's the only one we have?

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Speaker 3: There is one smart woman writing books that are being read.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's writing to her own intelligence level in

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Speaker 2: Almost everyone has something that's relatively sexy that you get

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Speaker 2: But the thing about crosswords, the big secret, is that

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Speaker 3: He's a complete idiot. He's just literally like pressing buttons

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Speaker 3: No, I feel the same way, and I actually don't

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Speaker 3: Well, it extends to other parts of their personality, yes,

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Speaker 2: But no, she must have won for something.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, there's going to be a lot. It's going

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Speaker 3: about Brianna chicken Fry. Do you know does that resonate

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00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: with you? It is apparent. I can't even get into it.

441
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 3: But it's apparently like a barstool sports podcaster who used

442
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 3: to date a country musician and they've had drama that

443
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: is like on the front page of every tabloid, and

444
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: everyone somehow knows about her.

445
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: Chicken Fry her real last name.

446
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 3: It is not her real last name, but it's a

447
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 3: name she like. I think maybe people. I called her

448
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: that and then she like reclaimed it and now she's

449
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 3: Brianna chicken Fry. I mean it is sort of an

450
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: iconic name. I guess I would love to be named

451
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: Brianna chicken Fry. Maybe I would be, like, you know,

452
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: on every billboard if.

453
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: That was, well, that's the name I'll be able to

454
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: remember for the rest of my exactly because one of

455
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: those things is not a name, right.

456
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Speaker 4: Also, I just have just to make you feel better words.

457
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 4: Kristen Scott Thomas and Juliet Banoses were both nominated for

458
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 4: the English Patient. Juliet Binoche won. Oh, Scott Thomas was

459
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: just nominated, so you werel I.

460
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Speaker 3: Got to wow. So I'm basically, uh, Lewis Ertel, that's

461
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: like my go to for someone who knows Lewis Bertell.

462
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Speaker 2: I mean the mind is yeah, it's an absolute No,

463
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's really wild what he's able to conjure. Yeah,

464
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 2: it's unpleasant person, just one of the worst. No, Like

465
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Speaker 2: I think, and going back to trivia a little bit,

466
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Speaker 2: I think maybe you can relate to this as a

467
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Speaker 2: gay person. Like growing up, you're probably during trivia games

468
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: with friends, usually probably the best at it. Which probably

469
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: inflates your ego in some way.

470
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Speaker 4: Uh.

471
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 2: And then you get out into the real gay world,

472
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: and that's when you really get demolished. You come out

473
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: being like, well, I know some pop culture trivia and

474
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Speaker 2: a little bit that was decent enough in history.

475
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean. So here's the thing though, my parents

476
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: are both engineering pH ds, so that creates a different

477
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: element to all of this, which is growing up I

478
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: was and I'm the only one in my family who

479
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: did not pursue the sciences. I was always like, you don't.

480
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: It's like everyone else would know about you know, the

481
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: details of mathematical like you know, the sort of like

482
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: math and science part of trivial pursuit or whatever it's called, right,

483
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: And I would be struggling. And my mom is like

484
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: a huge history buff and like like has very encyclopedic

485
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: knowledge of geography, and so she would like shame us

486
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: for not knowing like country capitals and stuff. So actually,

487
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: to your point, I grew up being very insecrat that

488
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: I didn't know that stuff. And I'd be like, well,

489
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: at least I know who won the oscar for the

490
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: English patient. And then as soon as I graduated from

491
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: being with my family to being with around gay people.

492
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: I also felt insecure about not knowing enough about Juliet Pinoche.

493
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: So I'm actually I've never felt so confident about trivia.

494
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just kind of I guess I tried to

495
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 2: avoid it at this point, and we'll just be very

496
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: quiet during Jeopardy until I know an answer. And then

497
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: when even when I know an answer on Jeopardy, I

498
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: don't really say it because then it's a parrot that

499
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know any of the other answers. Yes, I'm

500
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: just not meant for that world. I don't know where

501
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: I'm meant to be, and hopefully I'll find it some Jay.

502
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: Same. I mean, we're running out of time.

503
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm rapidly.

504
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

505
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it's basically I basically am the person

506
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to be until I die, and I uh

507
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: am I happy with it?

508
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: Probably not right, I know. I go back and forth,

509
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: like do you when you wake up? Like, are you

510
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: like we're on a good track.

511
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: Currently. Yeah, that's a very good question. I feel like

512
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: we're in such a period of this. This is kind

513
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: of a true answer of like what is going on anywhere?

514
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: And it's hard to base where my life is in

515
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: any respect.

516
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: I agree, it's weirdly like A. It's almost like a

517
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: death of all context or something. Yes, every move I

518
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 3: make in every word I say exist in a vacuum.

519
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: It means nothing.

520
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually goes back to the weird versus normal thing.

521
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is normal?

522
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: It's nothing, it's nothing, it's nothing. There's I don't even

523
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: aspire to another person that I'm like all that person

524
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: seems pretty normal.

525
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so two things. A exactly what you're saying. I

526
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: don't aspire to anyone else's life or existence. Wait what

527
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: was the second thing? I was gonna say? Fuck, damn, Okay,

528
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: it's gonna come to me.

529
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like maybe the like outside of me.

530
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: The two categories people fall into this point are either

531
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: boring or psycho. Yeah, and so I'm well, I don't

532
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: want to what am I supposed to do? And I'm

533
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: certainly not going to become my own thing?

534
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: I know.

535
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: So what's the what's the third option here? Oh?

536
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: I know what I was gonna say. So A, you

537
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: can't aspire to anyone else's life and be there are

538
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: no leaders that you like. There are no like moral

539
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: or even like rhetorical leaders, like in the way that

540
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: like it used to be that likeasically public intellections, like

541
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: who am I looking? Okay, so all these crazy things

542
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: are happening, Who am I looking to? Who's the gnome

543
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: chum Ski? Yes?

544
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: Who will bring some comfort in this situation?

545
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: And like you know, when you watch old clips of

546
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: like a Susan Sontag or something, You're like, oh, people

547
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: would turn on the TV and just watch this, listen

548
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: to the whole prime time And now we have Brown

549
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: a chicken.

550
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: Fry and the only reason we know about her is

551
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: some other thing that she's not even yeah, like what

552
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: what information am I supposed to derive from the chicken

553
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: fry family?

554
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: Totally? Yes, exactly, or even like at least you could

555
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: be like, oh, we used to have like John. I mean,

556
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 3: I know John Steard is still alive, but it's like

557
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: times are different, Okay, I'm not actually being comforted. As

558
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: much as I love and respect John Stewart, I'm not

559
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: actually being comforted.

560
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: He went away for a very long time and now

561
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: he's come back, and I'm like, I don't even know

562
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: what for. It's a pet cemetery situation where I'm like

563
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: I don't even know. And also I don't I'm not

564
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: going to watch a full episode of the Daily Show.

565
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? I'll see a random clip

566
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: and uh, and then again going back to amusing ourselves

567
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: to death. It's like, well, if I didn't know any

568
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: of these people or any of the things are saying

569
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: would have any effect on exactly what I'm doing right.

570
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 3: Now, I'm so glad that amusing ourselves to death got

571
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: like a big response from you, because it could have

572
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: gone so in the other direction.

573
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: I had to just like, so, I see some tissue

574
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: boxes on here, what should we talk about this? It's no,

575
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: it's a very good book. It's great, and there are

576
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: a few kind of rusty things you've come across, but

577
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: of course it's forty years old or something.

578
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

579
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very funny to remember which things people

580
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: had moral panics about, like he loves on a chapter

581
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: where he's talking about like religion on television and like televangelism,

582
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, boy, like you have no idea

583
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: how bad it's gotten. Like imagine him like like introducing

584
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: him to the concept of a megachurch.

585
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh, you would have no they're in arenas. Yeah, they're

586
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: arenas like bigger than rock concerts. It's crazy rock concerts

587
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: with I don't know. I don't know. Well, I feel

588
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: like there's something else we should talk about. I don't

589
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: want to. I didn't even I've been trying to delay, delay, delay,

590
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: because I'm not comfortable bringing this up on my podcast.

591
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: But you're here. I feel like we should just get

592
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: through this as quickly as possible. I was excited to

593
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: have you here today. I thought, George will come on

594
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: the podcast, we'll have you know, we'll catch up, talk

595
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: about things that are important to us and the listener,

596
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: and move on with our days. So I was a

597
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: little shaken, borderline upset when you walked into the studio

598
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: the podcast is called. I said, no gifts. I feel

599
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: like you must know that you were holding a gift.

600
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I I sort of have so irony

601
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: poison that I actually do the opposite of what I'm

602
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: asked at all times. And I thought, consider it like

603
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: my edge lord tendency. I said, I'm gonna fucking bring

604
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: him a.

605
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: Gift when you're not on a message board. Yeah, you're

606
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: taking that behavior.

607
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: I have a Reddit personality, I would say, I might

608
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: not be good at trivia, but I am good at

609
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: saying slurs on the internet.

610
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Can we take one moment, though, and to talk about

611
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: how redda has had such an interesting for the for decades.

612
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: I thought horrible website run by the men I would

613
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: not listen to in any way, and now I'm crawling

614
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: to it for any sort of real information.

615
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: I know. It's kind of crazy, isn't it.

616
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: It's humiliating for me.

617
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Reddit is such a fascinating like part of the

618
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 3: culture too, because its influence spreads so far. Like I oh,

619
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm a huge tennis fan. I always think about the

620
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: fact that Serrina Williams is married to the founder of

621
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: redd hit. I didn't know that, and it's like it

622
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: just goes It's like and also I don't know much

623
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: about him, so please don't come for me, but I'm like,

624
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: compared to so many other tech CEOs and tech founders,

625
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: he actually seems relatively like normal and is married to

626
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: Serena Williams, which is more than I can say for

627
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: And so it's like then also read it had like

628
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: one of the first female CEOs, which is so so

629
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: goes against their like the sort of reputation they have

630
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: in the evaluation. Yeah, it weirdly is one of the

631
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: only social media platforms that wasn't like overtaken by advertisements

632
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: and like promoted content and just like slop right, like

633
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Instagram is a hellhole.

634
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: It is so awful, so unbelievably poisonous in so and

635
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: literally everyone it's crazy and it's become inescapable. And but

636
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: also I don't know, I don't know what to do

637
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: with that aspect of my Yeah, yeah, I wish I

638
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: wasn't tied into it professionally.

639
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: No, I I every day I wish I would. And

640
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: also sometimes I'm like, is that even a cop out

641
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: that I even pretend I am right.

642
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: Doesn't have any effects?

643
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

644
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, But what if it does. Let's bring

645
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: out the gift it's in this beautiful little white bag.

646
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: I would say the store that it's from is very

647
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: misleading because it's actually has nothing to do with read.

648
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: How have I never heard of this? It's called Bestie's

649
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: Vegan Paradise. Is it a vegan grocery store?

650
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: So it is a vegan grocery store or like a

651
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: vegan sort of specialty food store that also sells hot dogs. Okay,

652
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: but they also do, in fact have non vegan hot dogs, oh,

653
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: which is strang's a huge line because it's on the

654
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: one hand, like, obviously it's great to appeal to more

655
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: communities and to be inclusive, but don't call yourself a

656
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: vegan paradise if you specifically do also have hot kind

657
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: of one of the most like you know, meat forward that.

658
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: Palatable vegan hot dogs and sausages vegan Like, I feel

659
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: like almost no one can tell the difference. Yeah, so

660
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: why bother with a real hot dog?

661
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: There?

662
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Is it a cost cutting measure?

663
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's that. I think vegan businesses realize

664
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: very early on that actually the vegan population is much

665
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: smaller than they think.

666
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Right, that's gonna be a rude awakening when you're like.

667
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think. And then a hot dogs. Honest,

668
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: they are probably pretty cheap, right, They already have the toppings.

669
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure the toppings are vegan. Anyway, I don't want

670
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: to delay this further. The point is the gift has

671
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: nothing to do with vegan or food.

672
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: I hope it's just a non big hot dog.

673
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: They also have like little knickknacks and stuff. Okay, I

674
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: mean it's a story in Los Angeles, so you know

675
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna stell candle.

676
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's reach in here.

677
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: And I tried to go for maximum unwrapping potential.

678
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh I love thank you the listener appreciates that. I

679
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And it's especially crinkly, I would say the pain.

680
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: I love this. I just don't even want to look

681
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: at this. I kind of pets the rapping.

682
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: Okay. And it's multiple parts okay.

683
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: Oh should I take them out in particular order?

684
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: No? No, I mean it's like it all comes together. Okay,

685
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: so see that's the most exciting part.

686
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: This is kind of should I describe it yet?

687
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: Sure?

688
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Like a little Adobe house, yes, with a ladder. And

689
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: should we talk about this or should I keep opening,

690
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: keep opening, keep opening.

691
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: It's a little miniature house.

692
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's a miniature house with a little chimney.

693
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: It's it's apparently made in New Mexico, so it sort

694
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: of has that like New Mexican.

695
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: Like what we were talking about earlier. Yes, exactly, it's surfling

696
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: back to its anti vax.

697
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: Yes, it's an anti vax woman selling her ware. So

698
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: that's the bottom you can put it.

699
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: On top like this.

700
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: Okay. The one thing is it doesn't like click into place.

701
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: It does not click into place.

702
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: It does not click into place, which I found interesting

703
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: but also more charming.

704
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: Does it click into place at No?

705
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: I know because I tried in the store and I

706
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: had to accept that it doesn't. There is one more

707
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: thing in the bag.

708
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: It simply doesn't. It just makes it look lopsided. Yeah,

709
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: it looks like the house is built on a bad boundary.

710
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: But that's how you know it's you know, handmade, authentic. Yeah, okay,

711
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: So basically these are like incense that you put in it.

712
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

713
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: Like food.

714
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: It definitely looks like or rabbit droppings.

715
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: Can I smell them?

716
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: Sure? I haven't. Do they smell good?

717
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: They don't smell like anything. I have a bad sense

718
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: of smell though.

719
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: Let's see. I think they maybe will only smell when.

720
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: You like to burn.

721
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely not. Okay, So so yeah, things

722
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: like the I think you put them there. You can

723
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: also cut them in half if you want.

724
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: I was told, if you want to be thrifty. Yeah,

725
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: it's a Again, they don't. Yeah, so it almost feels

726
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: like a fire hazard totally because sparks will be flying

727
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: out of it. Yeah. I love this. So but did

728
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: this come from Vegan Paradise? Yes, so you were kind

729
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: of just browsing.

730
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say. I can tell you my

731
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: thought process. I was like, obviously, the prompt to get

732
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 3: you a get to quote unquote not get you a gift.

733
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. Beep all that is beep to gain.

734
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: The prompt for a a.

735
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lighter. Should we light it?

736
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's light it. I would love to see how

737
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: it works.

738
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. I didn't think it would be allowed

739
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: to light up. I mean, this could lead to some

740
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: sort of disaster.

741
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 3: I'm really not a like an incense type person. So, okay,

742
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: so it's being lit. I think you just burn it

743
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: a little bit, a little bit and then it just

744
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: it just smokes and then.

745
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: I just want to look into the camera.

746
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and then it sort of comes out of

747
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: the chimney and.

748
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: We'll come out of the chimney. How much do I

749
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: need to burn it? I'm not saying any smoke yet.

750
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I see now I'm burning my thumb, which is okay,

751
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: let's see.

752
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: If damn, maybe if I oh, but I smell it.

753
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: You smell it, do you? And again I okay, it's

754
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: almost like a cedar, yeah, cedar chip. I really want

755
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: it to keep going. But I know same, I should

756
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: not be allowed to use a lighter. I'm not. I think,

757
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: just like, keep just keep going for a minute.

758
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: So you just keep just until it catches on fire basically, and.

759
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: Then oh on a Leasa is trying to vacate the

760
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: studio essentially, I mean you it is. Oh, there we go,

761
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: here we go. Okay, it's on fire, and now it'll

762
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: all be great.

763
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: Blow it out.

764
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Oh I blow it out?

765
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh there okay, now oh and now it's okay.

766
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: That is stunning. There we go.

767
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: Oh and it's got the smoke. It's a very cozy

768
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: little place. Okay, now you know what.

769
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't click, but you've actually placed in

770
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: a really great way where it looks intentional. I think, yeah,

771
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: it's not lopsided.

772
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: And now I'm starting to wonder if it's not supposed

773
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: to click. I wonder if it's definitely not supposed to click,

774
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: but like almost on oh as in like you want

775
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: the smoke to just be I wonder if there's some

776
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: sort of design element where they that makes sense. I

777
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: can't speak to lighting fires or how any of this works,

778
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: but it looks intentional.

779
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Definitely. I actually think it looks really amazing. Okay, so

780
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: do you want me to tell me you projects? So

781
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: you know, the prompt is wow, the smell is actually pretty.

782
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: Well, this as close to it Joe Rogan episode as possible.

783
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: I've got a cigar in my mouth.

784
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: Yes, So I was like, all right, getting a gift.

785
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: There is something that feels so desperate as a comedian

786
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: to go to be like what can I get? That's

787
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: so crazy? That's like it's like, oh, I'm getting you

788
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: like a giant dildo and like and or you know,

789
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: I'm getting like a big giant sombrero, like you know,

790
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: you you. The instinctive force is to go big and

791
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: to be either like borderline offensive or like so all

792
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: comedy that it's like I got you a paper click.

793
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: Right, and then it's literally not a conversation.

794
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: And so I was like, Okay, maybe the most radical

795
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: thing I can do is get like a cliche, faceless,

796
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: completely lacking personality, like housewarming gift, like a candle, a

797
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: picture frame, something like that. Right, So my intent, and

798
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 3: I saw that this place had a whole candle section.

799
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to get him like a

800
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: vanilla candle, and that'll be like the joke is just

801
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: like it's so personality less that it's like if your

802
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: aunt that has not seen you since you were four

803
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: came to your wedding and like brought you a gift.

804
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: But then I mean, I'm sorry, but I just have

805
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: such amazing like esthetic impulses that you know, you see

806
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: a diny little so I was in the candle section

807
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: right with the intention of buying a boring candle, but

808
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 3: then I see a little maide in New Mexico, God

809
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: made in New Mexico miniature house that you put a

810
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: little thing in it and then the smoke comes out

811
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: of the chimney, and I'm like, well, I can't not

812
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: get that.

813
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: It's so charming, So I really this can actually go

814
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: in my home.

815
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: And actually I completely shot myself on the foot because

816
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: it's like this is no longer funny in any way.

817
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: It's just like a cute little object.

818
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Which I appreciate. I think that this is kind of

819
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: a secret for guests on this podcast, is if they

820
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: bring something that's genuinely interesting or interesting to them. I

821
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: mean this is a shock, yes they want to talk

822
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: about yeah, which I think. I mean, this is something

823
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about because I've never been

824
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: to New Mexico and I have anything that's obsessed with

825
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: the idea.

826
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: I have no connection, no connection with New Mexico. I

827
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: literally don't like incense, Like I'm much more of a

828
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: candle person at home. Ever, with incense, I don't know

829
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: anything about, like ceramics, Like this is completely for an

830
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: object to me, and yet I'm looking at it now

831
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, sorry, but you're never gonna

832
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: throw that out, Like you're gonna you're that's gonna be

833
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: part of your life forever, and you're gonna have to

834
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: move apartments or move houses with it.

835
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: You're gonna happily move houses. And it's also something I

836
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: can carefully put in a box. It's not going to

837
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: overtake anything. Yeah, you know, there are some There are

838
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: different categories of gifts that I get on this podcast,

839
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: Things that are actually in my house that I can

840
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: put up and just leave and I don't feel ashamed

841
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: of It doesn't detract from the rest of what's happening

842
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: in my home. Then there are things that I that

843
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: are interesting to look at but I certainly wouldn't put

844
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: out sure, And then there's garbage. Yeah, and this is

845
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: number one.

846
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm so happy. No, And I really to think about

847
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: the garbage question because I was like, is it funny

848
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: to bring like a complete like a cup of coffee?

849
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: Because right, because, by the way, let me say this,

850
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: generally speaking, this would be a very easy prompt, like

851
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: bring anything and we'll talk about it. I am visiting

852
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: with no access to my own things, staying in a

853
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: completely like faceless airbnb, and it is pouring rain, and

854
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't have a car, so actually hell, Like I

855
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: woke up to me and I was like, oh, I'm

856
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: like I should cancel. Like it would actually be easier

857
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: to cancel than to think of something I could like

858
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: either walk to from my airbnb or get an uber

859
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: to a store.

860
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: No, that's a I mean, this podcast for me obviously

861
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: is not that difficult. But I think about when there's

862
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: any level of homework or anything for a podcast, I

863
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 2: have to think about it. The way I spin out

864
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. It's like the only thing I care about

865
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: in my life. For the week leading up, just trying

866
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: to think of the thing. And so I try to

867
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: just ignore what my guests have to go through because.

868
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: But I appreciate it though. I think like it's very

869
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: you're almost like deconstructing, like the idea of a conversation,

870
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: because the conversation has to have a topic. Sure, and

871
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, so what object can we talk about? Yes,

872
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: that's completely random.

873
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: That's the absolute hope that it, like it will force

874
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: a conversation in a way that no natural conversation would Africa. Yeah,

875
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: but back to New Mexico definitely.

876
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: And by the way, I also want to say, there

877
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: were other options. One was like more of a TP,

878
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: and other I could have. I was like, I can't

879
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 3: go in a direction that feels almost like I wouldn't

880
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: say appropriative, but like, well, if I give you something

881
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: that's shaped like a TP, then I would have to

882
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: like make jokes about the idea of the TP.

883
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: Yes, TP is a complicated territory.

884
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: Complicated territory.

885
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: I think it's not what we went through an elementary Yes,

886
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: we've societies kind of figured out the TP's not just

887
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: a generic symbol.

888
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: And of course I'm sure it has different connotations in

889
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: New Mexico, again, a state I have never been to.

890
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Of course, there may have never been a TP in

891
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: New Mexico.

892
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: Who knows. So so I was like, and then there

893
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: was a log cabin that was the other.

894
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, which is boring and stupid.

895
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that to me. I'm like that

896
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: I could imagine living like if I was to move

897
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: to New Mexico, I would want my house to look

898
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: like this.

899
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: If you live in just kind of a new build

900
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: in New Mexico, why are you in New Mexico right exactly,

901
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: You've got to be in something that looks like it's

902
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: made from clay. Yeah, it should be in the sun

903
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: at all times.

904
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: I really like the little top. So if you turn around,

905
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: you see that there's like a ladder that leads.

906
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: To yes, yes, and this little door.

907
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: Imagine a dinner part, like an outdoor dinner party. The

908
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: natural wine is flowing, you have everyone there, you can

909
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: see your view of just like the desert, I guess,

910
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: and people are smoking.

911
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 2: Hash too much ash. No, this is almost a reason

912
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: I can't go to New Mexico, because I've really created

913
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: the ideal version of what that state is, and I

914
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: will just briefly say they do have the absolute best

915
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: state license plate.

916
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: Oh what is it?

917
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: It's stunning. I'm going to show it to you because

918
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: recently my home state switched their license plate to the

919
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: most boring possible.

920
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: You're from Utah, yes.

921
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: And it's infuriating for me because we used to have

922
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: a kind of a fun license plate, and it's upsetting

923
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: for me. This is the New Mexico plate. The coloring,

924
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: the design, Ah, that is stunning. Why every states it's like, oh,

925
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: we're going to go for it. Why wouldn't you go

926
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: for it.

927
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: There's something about New Mexico and Arizona where like they

928
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: were so ahead of the curb, just graphic design wise,

929
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah, and like design trend wise, oh yeah. And

930
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: it's interesting that people always call that family of aesthetics

931
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: like Scandinavian, like the sort of minimalist whatever, clean lines,

932
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: and it's like yeah, but it's also.

933
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Southwest, extremely southwest. Look at this little house, so.

934
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: You look at that. You don't get that in Copenhagen.

935
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. And you can't be out on the deck

936
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: in Copenhagen.

937
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: You cannot be out on the deck in Copenhagen.

938
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Maybe for a week a year.

939
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, God, when I went to Copenhagen, I've

940
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: never been more ignored in a gay club in my life.

941
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: I might as well have not existed, is that true? Yeah?

942
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. I mean I also

943
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: probably had a sort of air of desperation about me.

944
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: I was like pretty young and like didn't have the

945
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: you know, disarming confidence I have now. I mean I

946
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: would never dare to bring this as a gift to someone.

947
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: What was the general vibe in the Copenhagen club?

948
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: I just think there's something about this was probably like

949
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Let's say, there's something about like the cliche out.

950
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: It's like imagine like a Japanese architect, you know, like

951
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 3: clean lines, issimiaki, like sort of like kind of wide

952
00:44:54,040 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 3: legged pans, yes whatever, also really tall because it's media. Yeah,

953
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: and so everyone was dressed like that, but as though

954
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: they had like woken up that morning. That's trick. And

955
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: I just like was very like American apparel because that

956
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: was what was going on over here. You were drinking

957
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: land of American apparel, I'll admit.

958
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was we were. That must have been post

959
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: article about that guy.

960
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: Creep.

961
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mustache.

962
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: By the way, they have great clothes now at Los Angeles.

963
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: Angelis Apparel, but the company has kind of been taken over.

964
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: We hope I will not be looking into it.

965
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: Good cotton, yes.

966
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, great cotton, great basics, great basics. Great. Uh, I've

967
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 3: in my old age. I'm experimenting for the first time

968
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: in my life with like a I wouldn't call it

969
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: a muscle tea, but like a sleeveless interesting.

970
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: I wonder if ever I'll wear a sleepless thing to

971
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: the gym.

972
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: I think you could absolutely put you have God blessed.

973
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know that. I just I don't know

974
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: that I could go out in public in just polite

975
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: company wearing it and be like not thinking about it

976
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: the entire time.

977
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: No, I know. And you know what else, when a

978
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 3: gay guy wears a sleeveless shirt, I literally have to stop.

979
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: I have to my instinct as though it's like an

980
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: as though it's like the doctor hitting my knee and

981
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: my knees going up and my legs going up. Literally,

982
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: I cannot stop myself from saying okay, arms like it's

983
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: it's shocking. It's like you think you're not that cliche

984
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: or what you know, you think you're not someone who

985
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: would say arms. And it literally happened to me in

986
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: Chicago recently. My friend Parker was very sleeping and I

987
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: genuinely it was as though I was suddenly hypnotized.

988
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: Okay, arms, And then like if someone were to say

989
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: that to me, I don't know what I would even

990
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: do with the information because it's like half a compliment.

991
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: Half of just like it's not saying yeah.

992
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: But I'm like, now I'm now even thinking about it

993
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: even more than I was. I know, I'm gonna go

994
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: stand in the bathroom something. You're flexing like, yeah, it's

995
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: a strange, but you're experimenting with this.

996
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: I know. I'm oh, yes I am. I'm experimentedless. There's

997
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: something about it that feels I mean again, I wouldn't

998
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: go on a you know, I wouldn't go to like

999
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: a wedding in a sleeveless I very much am against

1000
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: like red carpet like vest only on a red carpet.

1001
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that it simply has never worked. I don't care

1002
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: how many it's not. You will look back and feel

1003
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: bad about wearing.

1004
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: That where And also no bare chest under a blazer,

1005
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: like just wearing sure and.

1006
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: Sleep because it's just that is not that's not clothing,

1007
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: not accepted, and it's you would not wear that to

1008
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: the grocery store. No, And I know that the red

1009
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: carpet and grocery store are different things, but they are

1010
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: both in public.

1011
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: It's also like, clearly you're wearing it to show off

1012
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 3: your arms, but it weirdly actually makes you look less. Okay,

1013
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: what do arms denote? Like a sort of like good masculinity.

1014
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: But then when you just wear a vest, it's like, okay,

1015
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 3: well you're Katie laying.

1016
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: You're dressed like a fifth grade tea.

1017
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it has the opposite intended effect.

1018
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And almost no vest ever looks good in

1019
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: any situation, so fully exposed, just seeing pure vest feels crazy.

1020
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would not wear it in like It's

1021
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: more just like if I'm going to a gay bar,

1022
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: I will occasionally do it and be like, well, this

1023
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: is my big arm day. I'm actually kind of gonna

1024
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: I'll let you know a secret. I'm gonna do it

1025
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: on Friday because I packed one and we're I'm going

1026
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: to some sort of gay party on Friday.

1027
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: You're invited it's completely appropriate and I'm gonna show up

1028
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: in the same thing. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that.

1029
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a place to kind of try it out. Yes,

1030
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: get comfortable with it.

1031
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: And actually, in that context, you're the most conservative one

1032
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: because everyone else is shirtless.

1033
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's or in a vest with nothing under it.

1034
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like being fisted.

1035
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1036
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I'm in that. I'm Tim Walls being like, well,

1037
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm normal.

1038
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about you freaks exactly. The other thing

1039
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: this is, I guess just the existing in general thing

1040
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: is like the amount of thinking about myself I'm doing

1041
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: is simply not what anybody else is doing. Yes, they

1042
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: might just glance and be like, I mean if I

1043
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: guess if the shirt looks good, they think, oh, that

1044
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: looks good, and they move on. They didn't think about

1045
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: the days of planning you had and putting it in

1046
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: your suitcase and being like, I'm gonna do it totally.

1047
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: That said, there is a point at which they do, like,

1048
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 3: if you are dressed stupid enough, they do start thinking

1049
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: about it exactly, And that's actually it's like I think

1050
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: I'm I could get away, I think you or I

1051
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: could get away with like a sleeveless tea from Los

1052
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: Angeles parents. Okay, okay, but then let's keep going further.

1053
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, maybe then after that, it's like,

1054
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: could we get away with spaghetti straps? No, I actually

1055
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: think if your eyes showed up to a function wearing

1056
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: like a sort of limited two spaghetti straps of a little.

1057
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: Flower over here losing friends rapidly.

1058
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone would like keep commenting on it, and

1059
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 3: it would not feel good.

1060
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Because it's so far out of the realm of possibility

1061
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: for what I wear. Yeah, not that there's anything wrong

1062
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: with that, but for what I've trained people to believe

1063
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: about who I am. I know to show up and

1064
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: that would be too much for everybody, and it would

1065
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: be an evening ruining experience probably for everyone.

1066
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: But if you were if you and I showed up

1067
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: in matching limited to there we go. Now no one

1068
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: knows a bit, Yeah, no one knows what to do.

1069
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: But also it's like it's also like, you know, we

1070
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: know each other, but not that well. But then like

1071
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: us showing up in matching outfits at a party and

1072
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: then everyone's like, oh, I didn't know they were like

1073
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: best friends.

1074
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: I didn't know they were so clothes, and then people

1075
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: start wondering like should I wear that? It actually kind

1076
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 2: of does look good And this is how you break

1077
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: down social north totally and create a new reality. Yeah,

1078
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: maybe it's time for me to get one, but I'll

1079
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: have to be bround gay people first, gay people and

1080
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: women wearing it before I hang around with a straight

1081
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: people because straight people love to raz.

1082
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's I know, it's it's complicated because it's

1083
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: like they do love to raz. But then it's also

1084
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: I feel like, at some point sort of post you

1085
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: know Jonathan Vaness, straight people were like, all right, just

1086
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: to be sorry, I'm not commenting on any clothing, so

1087
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: they actually, you can show up wearing a truly like

1088
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: a cow Halloween costume with utters, and a straight I

1089
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: will just be like looking at you, dead in the eye,

1090
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: being like, so like, what do you do? Because he's

1091
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: so afraid.

1092
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: There's no idea what's going on in the culture. But yeah,

1093
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: I guess that's probably true.

1094
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: Hmm.

1095
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: Interesting. I feel like it's purely intention if if it

1096
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: looks intentional, it's always intention But yeah, this I don't know.

1097
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with my future fashion choice. But

1098
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: I have been wearing them to the gym and it's

1099
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: felt I'm getting more comfortable with the idea. We'll see

1100
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: what happened.

1101
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: What the future I mean at the gym, you know,

1102
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: it's like you are flexing by design, right, and it's

1103
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: always nice to get a little peak of yourself mid

1104
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: flex with the Yeah.

1105
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: What are you working in with here?

1106
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1107
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: Also, my gym is very inconsistent with the air conditioner,

1108
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: and it truly initially was out of necessity because it's like,

1109
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 2: what are they doing with the ac?

1110
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1111
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: I am. I feel like I have the flu when

1112
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm in this place. I love the place, but there

1113
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: are some issues with air flow. And so I started.

1114
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: I got on YouTube. How do I make a sleeveless shirt?

1115
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh? You made it yourself?

1116
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: I made it myself. I made several. Wow, they look great.

1117
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: I I gotta tell you, Los Angeles A Parel will

1118
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: do it for you.

1119
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pop in there and see what they've got.

1120
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: I would be remiss not to say that this has

1121
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: stopped fuming.

1122
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no smoke. Is now just let's slide it

1123
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: up for the rest of the episode. Why not? And

1124
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: is there anything left we have to say about. I mean,

1125
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: travel wise, I really would like to go to New Mexico.

1126
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: Is there anywhere you're looking forward to going?

1127
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 3: Ooh great question. Well okay, I am allegedly going to Japan.

1128
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: Oh that's exciting.

1129
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: When allegedly in the fall. Okay, I have not planned

1130
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: it yet. This would be our honeymoon. Oh how excited,

1131
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: but like a year after we got married. Okay. Sure.

1132
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: The reason I'm being hesitant about it is because every

1133
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: single person I know is going.

1134
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: To Japan or has been in the last or has

1135
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: been in the.

1136
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: Last twelve months. And it's like, I'm almost old enough

1137
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: to not care about being part of a trend, but

1138
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: not quite there. But I also it feels crazy to

1139
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: be like rolling your eyes talking about Japan because it's

1140
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 3: literally the most expensive trip I will ever take in

1141
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: my life. So I do need to be like excited

1142
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: and ready to go.

1143
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: It's very funny to me talking about travel as trendy,

1144
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: oh country that's existed since forever. The other sad that's

1145
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: gonna blow over.

1146
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is how I feel about. It's like, when

1147
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: I went to Mexico City, I was like this, you guys,

1148
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: this is what you're going to, Like, you're all just

1149
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: going here to like go to like vintage stores that

1150
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 3: sell like Rolling Stones t shirts, and it's.

1151
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Like the Vindo stores in Mexico City, by the way,

1152
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: are extremely expensive. I was shocked.

1153
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 3: I just want to say, there's there's no right way

1154
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: to say this, so I will try my very best.

1155
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: Mexico City, as curated by gay guys in Brooklyn and

1156
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 3: Los Angeles is a completely overrated sham. I obviously Mexico

1157
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: City more broadly is like a beautiful historic city and

1158
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: like I think it's like a lovely place to visit,

1159
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: great food, whatever. When you get one of these Google

1160
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: docs where all these fucking fashion people and like random

1161
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: people that are like music producers are like you know,

1162
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: randomly work for like Andy Cohen or whatever. There are

1163
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: millions of these Google docs and people will not be

1164
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: shy about sending them to you. They all have the

1165
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: same exact recommendations. You go to those places, you're like,

1166
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: are you fucking kidding me?

1167
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: My secret? I went with a straight man who spoke Spanish.

1168
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: Well, there you go.

1169
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: You have incredible experience.

1170
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: Now you actually have to go with a specifically straight

1171
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: man who is Mexican or at the very least speaks Spanish.

1172
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: Yes, he's uh spoke Spanish and loved loves Mexico in general.

1173
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: So it felt it was two gay men and a

1174
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: straight man, and the two gay men didn't care what

1175
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: we did, so we just got to follow the lead

1176
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: of this person. And it was a perfect trip. But

1177
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 2: what you're describing as hell.

1178
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: It's hell. And I actually like, I mean, we ran

1179
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: into multiple people we knew from Brooklyn, and I was like,

1180
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: I was humiliated, was.

1181
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: Like, Mexico.

1182
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: Kidding me? And then we were like what are you, Like,

1183
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 3: what have you guys been doing? And they just mentioned

1184
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: the same places that we were going to go to

1185
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: from the fucking Google spreadsheet that like Anthony Proowski uh created.

1186
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: The last person in the world I want dictating my

1187
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: travel Oh my, oh so Japan could have I mean,

1188
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: that could happen to you in Japan.

1189
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: So this is this is my big goal, is like

1190
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 3: I really don't want it to happen to me in Japan, right.

1191
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 2: So do you have goals within Japan that you want?

1192
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: So we really have not started planning it yet, but

1193
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: I actually am this close to like looking into a

1194
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: travel agent because I read. I read an article on

1195
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal that said that gen Z is

1196
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 3: reinventing travel agents.

1197
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: I've been saying this. We took them for granted for

1198
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: so long, and then the Internet collapsed and you no

1199
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: longer can count on yourself or the internet, right, none

1200
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: of that matters anymore. You need somebody who actually knows.

1201
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want, like, uh, you know, I want

1202
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: like a Japanese woman who's maybe forty seven years old.

1203
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: You have extremely detailed file of this person, and I

1204
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: want her to have already had a career in Japan

1205
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: as like something cool like museum curator or something. And

1206
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: then you know, she had she married, had maybe got

1207
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: Marritian American, Yeah, and was like, you know what I've

1208
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: I love the art world, but it's gotten so toxic,

1209
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: like I need to, you know, I need a second act.

1210
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: And she threw her experiences in the I actually I

1211
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: am loving this person. I'm describing through her experience in

1212
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: the art world and traveling and basle and all this stuff,

1213
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: she actually has really developed amazing taste in food culture

1214
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: or whatever. And so then she was like, what if

1215
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: I become a travel agent. I know all these wealthy

1216
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: people from the art world. They can be my first clients.

1217
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: This is like, and that's how she sent her kid

1218
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: three kids to college.

1219
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: Japanese travel agent reach out. Yeah, exactly, she exists, she's

1220
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: got to be out there. Of course, there's something within

1221
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: that ballpark.

1222
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: She had to toe com to Garsan. I can picture her.

1223
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: It's like, so I really need her to reach out.

1224
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: Do you have cities in mind within Japan?

1225
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: See, I shouldn't have brought her up because literally we

1226
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: have not started talking. Like I just I think because

1227
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: we are obviously using money people gave us for this.

1228
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: Like it's the first time my life that I feel

1229
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: like I can really go for it, go for it. Yes,

1230
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: So I don't have any sense of geography, but I'm like,

1231
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: if we can do multiple cities and do like two

1232
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: or three days in each and we can really like

1233
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: book like two weeks of travel, like, It'll be the

1234
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: first time in my life that I'm doing anything that ambitious.

1235
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: Right. The travel agent is writing, all.

1236
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, thank you so much. Have you been to Japan?

1237
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: I have? I was there in twenty fifteen.

1238
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: Okay, did you enjoy it?

1239
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: Hated it?

1240
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: Wow?

1241
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: You kidding? It's out?

1242
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: Y're so careful about about like my uh, you know

1243
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: review of Mexico City, and now you just hate the

1244
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: entire country of Japan.

1245
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: No, I mean it was unbelievable.

1246
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's what everyone says.

1247
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: It was kind of this experience of like I left,

1248
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, I've ruined going anywhere else

1249
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life because that's the only

1250
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: place I want to go. It was. Everything was just wonderful,

1251
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: endlessly fascinating. The food was so good, it was not

1252
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: as expensive as I expected. Around was so easy. There

1253
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: are just so many different parts of like Japanese culture

1254
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: and entertainment that like, I was there for ten days

1255
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: and I saw, you know, the smallest thumbprint of all

1256
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: of it. And I went to Tokyo and Kyoto and

1257
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: I was alone, and I was just wandering around and

1258
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: it's the only place I've ever felt safe completely just

1259
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: being like I can get lost and it does not matter.

1260
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: Well, that's great here. I mean, it really is one

1261
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: of those places that ever again, it's an entire country

1262
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: that is one of the most like one of the

1263
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: literally most populous countries in the world, and I keeping like, yeah,

1264
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: it's just like everyone that's a great place. I'm also

1265
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: very conscious of sounding like a dumb tourist because I

1266
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: am from a place that is such a tourist this

1267
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: thing because I went I like mostly grew up in Greece, right,

1268
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: and so tourism is such a big part of the

1269
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: culture that I as a Greek person and as someone

1270
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: who went to high school in Greece, I know, I

1271
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: roll my eyes so easily at like cliches that people

1272
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: have about it. M hmm. But there's no if you're

1273
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 3: not there's no way to know what the cliches are

1274
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: about other places.

1275
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: Those are the big things you hear about and you're like, well,

1276
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: I guess that's what I see. Yeah, do Greek people

1277
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: resent tourists?

1278
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, actually they don't, I actually think. I mean,

1279
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: you know, obviously to an extent, if like a place

1280
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: is overrun by tourists, then you can no longer go

1281
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: to your favorite beach or restaurant or whatever, then obviously

1282
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: that's bad. However, because Greece sort of doesn't have any

1283
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: other huge parts of its economy, no offense right right

1284
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: to the country, tourism is so like when tourism is booming,

1285
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: that just is such a good sign for the health

1286
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: of the country. Yes, yes, And so I think Greek people,

1287
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: like especially compared to you know, Italian, French, like other

1288
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: places where maybe there's more scoffing at tourists. I actually

1289
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: think Greek people are incredibly hospitable and like really go

1290
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: out of the way to learn English, and hospitality is

1291
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: really seen as like a serious industry and right and whatever.

1292
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's sort of like shipping and tourism are

1293
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: the only two industries. It is the only things you

1294
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: ever hear about, unless you're like lucky enough to like

1295
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: own Faye, right, which is huge.

1296
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest h that's a crazy success story.

1297
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 3: Insane and it is. The people sometimes ask me like, oh,

1298
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: Shirley Faye is like in America. It's like that's not

1299
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: what Greek people eat. I'm like, no, it is like.

1300
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: You can find that in grocery stores in Greece.

1301
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the number one.

1302
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

1303
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's what I grew up eating.

1304
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, how long did you live in Greece.

1305
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 3: I lived in Greece for most of my early childhood.

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Speaker 3: Then we moved here for like six or seven years

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Speaker 3: and then we moved back when I was thirteen, so okay,

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 3: I went to high school there, so it's sort of

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Speaker 3: like it bookended my experience in America. But then because

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Speaker 3: I lived as formative years here, I feel pretty American

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Speaker 3: and I don't have an accent.

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Speaker 2: What part of the US did you live in?

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Speaker 3: New Jersey?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely, yeah, Yeah, it was so amazing.

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: I have no problem with New Jersey.

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01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: It's just it to me. It's so like I lived

1319
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Speaker 3: in like suburban New Jersey almost like almost imagine Connecticut.

1320
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: Not as fancy obviously, but like that was the level

1321
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: of suburbia just right of like adjacency to country clubs,

1322
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: you know, sort of a commuter town for New York City,

1323
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 3: Like my dad worked in Manhattan.

1324
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: Right, what city did you live in?

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Speaker 3: I lived in? Uh, it was in Morris County.

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01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1327
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: We lived in New Providence and then Chatham. Okay, if

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Speaker 3: that means anything to.

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Speaker 2: Your li, Like, my boyfriend's from Lyndhurst. You know where

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Speaker 2: that is. It's near Giant Stadium Okay, okay, cool, cool, cool,

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01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: So that's my one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, little I do feel like connection to people from

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Speaker 3: New Jersey okay, and like there's something about New Jersey

1334
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: that is so perfectly like normal to me. I'm like, okay, well,

1335
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Speaker 3: you're from the East coast, but you don't have the

1336
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: like specific wasping New England nests right right. But then

1337
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: you're also not like New York City kid that like,

1338
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: yeah there's some money. He was literally doing coke at

1339
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 3: four years old. It's just sort of and it's like

1340
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: a obviously it's like a blue state, but it's not

1341
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: like so you're not, you know, in San Francisco or

1342
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: something crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's a little I mean, as far as I guess

1344
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to as far as La goes, it would

1345
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: be like growing up in I would say maybe Arcadia

1346
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: or al Here. Sure close enough, but like far enough

1347
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: away from.

1348
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 3: Honestly, even people who grew up in the Valley I

1349
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: find are so normal when I meet because they're like

1350
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: just far enough away. I guess I'm just thinking of

1351
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Speaker 3: Kirsten Dunce.

1352
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, she does seem like a good egg. Yeah,

1353
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 2: let's say no, I've never heard a bad thing about

1354
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: the first.

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, can you imagine if what would the

1356
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: rumor be? Like I do I would love gossip about

1357
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: Kirsten dun Right.

1358
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: I feel like it would be like she wants to

1359
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: go to dinner too often.

1360
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, or one of my favorite things about here and

1361
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: done so that she endorsed Bernie Sanders and then he

1362
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: immediately dropped down and no one remembers it. And I

1363
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: actually one time looked through her Instagram. I think she

1364
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: might have deleted her endorsement.

1365
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: She embarrassed.

1366
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: She was just like she was. It was so funny

1367
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: because she clearly came from a good place. I think she,

1368
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, earnestly supported him, and she like posted a

1369
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 3: little tile and she was like hashtag feel to burn

1370
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: and then he like dropped at him.

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01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: That's a rough feeling. Anytime you support something and then

1372
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: it falls apart. You're a little like, yeah, where do

1373
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: we go from?

1374
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1375
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. I feel like, and this

1376
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: has been brought up almost exclusively by me on this

1377
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: podcast multiple times, but the pronunciation of yero, Oh my god.

1378
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I was just listening to your

1379
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: episode with Katya and you were talking about it with Kata.

1380
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and what I feel like You're the first

1381
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: person that comes close to being an expert on this.

1382
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, it is Euro. It's just like

1383
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: with a Greek accident, it would be.

1384
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: Ro, right, like a rolled ar. Yeah, like we just

1385
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: I've tried to. Yeah, it's just I feel like I'm

1386
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: shocked by how far Gyro has spread.

1387
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: It's actually one of those things that is like a

1388
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: never ending conversation. Somehow I'm trying to think of another.

1389
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: It's like how people pretend they hate the word moist

1390
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: or something like. I had been hearing about the pronunciation

1391
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: of Euro for legitimately my entire adult life, and I'm like,

1392
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: don't you guys, Like, didn't you guys are some much

1393
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: Just learn what it was, how it was pronounced and

1394
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 3: move on with your life like you did. Like it's

1395
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 3: it's very confusing to me.

1396
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 2: And people really plant their flag in Gyro.

1397
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: Which is like, obviously that is not how a Greek

1398
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: word would be pronounced in what way that said, It's

1399
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: like I don't know we for example, why is the

1400
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: university called Notre Dame. That is psychotic That one has

1401
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: gone too far, but everyone just knows, like you would

1402
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: you say Notre Dame if you're talking about the church

1403
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: and Notre Dame. If you're talking about the university.

1404
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: Well Notre Dame, Notre Dame, and a Notre Dame. I

1405
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: feel like there's a very like the French take it

1406
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: even further. Yeah, so, but I feel like Notre Dame

1407
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: it was somebody who had a an axe to grind

1408
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: pronunciation totally.

1409
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: So I so I you know, when we lived in

1410
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: New Jersey because my parents were four, and there were

1411
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: like little things that I like didn't understand and like,

1412
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, sort of would step in it sometimes because

1413
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: we didn't speak English at home. And one of them

1414
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: actually was I had heard someone pronounce it Notre Dame,

1415
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, so in America that's how

1416
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: they say those words. And then I was separately talking

1417
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: about the church and I was like so yeah. And

1418
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 3: then like we were in Paris and we went to

1419
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: Notre Dame and then suddenly I sound like a fucking

1420
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 3: loser that doesn't know how to pronounce it, because I

1421
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: thought that that's how you say it in America.

1422
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to hold both things in your brain.

1423
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: It's and I actually I think I even like learned

1424
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: that difference, like in my late twenties.

1425
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: Like well there's a very like there's a thing about

1426
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: like if you were at one of the football games

1427
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: and you said I'm going to notere Dominame, people will

1428
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: be like, oh, look at mister book's over here. It's like, well,

1429
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: fuck off, who cares.

1430
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm from Europe.

1431
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: But Yero, for whatever reason, haunts me to this stay totally.

1432
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: No, it is. It is. I mean, and it's like, yeah,

1433
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 3: you could go up and say like you know, but

1434
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: it would be why would you do that?

1435
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: Like you would sound like nobody rolls. There are in

1436
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: the United States, I mean in English, in English, yes,

1437
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: in American English. Uh, well, I'm glad that we have

1438
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: kind of the final word. Yes, it's important.

1439
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting to me, People talk about euro

1440
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 3: all the time. People don't care about how you pronounced azeki,

1441
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: which to me is a much more difficult like t

1442
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: z together right, I guess it is more fanatic. It's

1443
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: like you literally pronounced it's a zeke, but like.

1444
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: Wait, so what is the actual Greek pronunciation that's zeke?

1445
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: That yeah, and I would say like tetsik.

1446
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: Sure, but well, people have a difficult time. So my

1447
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: real last name starts with the T S, and I

1448
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 3: change it to a CE because no one can. People

1449
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: have a hard time with T S and t Z,

1450
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: which appear in Greek a lot, right, and so.

1451
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: How would you say your name in Greek with a

1452
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: Greek X see.

1453
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: Like it would just be like my real last name

1454
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 3: is Severiotis And then I shortened it to wow. It

1455
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: was like the video at this and I was like,

1456
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: all right, vets severs, Oh, okay, okay, but like there's

1457
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 3: a very successful tennis player named seat Bus. It's like

1458
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: t s I t s I p as and it's like,

1459
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: forget about it, Like you think John McEnroe is going

1460
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 3: to pronounce it.

1461
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: It's no way, not in the heat of the moment. Yeah,

1462
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: oh well whatever, Yeah totally, I just needed an official pronunciation. Yeah,

1463
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: I think it's time to play a game. Okay, unless

1464
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: we have anything left to say about Adobe houses, I'm

1465
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: sort of like.

1466
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: It's beautiful pictures worth a thousand words.

1467
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: And a clay sculpture's worth even more. Thank you, Vegan Paradise.

1468
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: Thank you Vegan Paradise. Great hot dogs?

1469
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: Did you have a hot dog?

1470
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: Not this time around?

1471
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 4: It?

1472
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: Wait? Can you actually remind me what their actual name is?

1473
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 3: It's best friends or something beesties, I do you actually

1474
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 3: want to shout them out? Because I've say that this

1475
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: airbnb before and it's one of the places that's like

1476
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 3: walking distance from it. And I do really like their

1477
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 3: hot dogs and they have a great selection of like

1478
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: fun snacks and treats and stuff that's good to know.

1479
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 3: And it really is run by like an authentic kind

1480
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: of like funky vegan guy.

1481
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that, and kind of Greek colors and

1482
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: a great color is interesting. It all comes back to you.

1483
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna play a game called Gift You a Curse.

1484
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: I need a number between one and ten from you.

1485
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 3: Seven. Okay.

1486
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating to get our

1487
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: game pieces right now. You can promote, recommend, do whatever

1488
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 2: you want.

1489
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay. I want to say I am the only

1490
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: person that has watched the film Amelia Perez twice, and

1491
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: it was kind of by chance. So the first time

1492
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: I watched it, I was in a hotel room in

1493
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 3: Toronto and it had just come out and I felt

1494
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: like I should I should be part of the conversation,

1495
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 3: and so I had sort of taken an edible by

1496
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 3: myself and watched it on my own and I was

1497
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: very taken aback by it. I did not particularly think

1498
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 3: it was a good film, but I was kind of

1499
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 3: glad that I saw it. And then the second time

1500
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 3: I saw it, I was it was my husband's birthday

1501
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 3: and we had a big lunch and then we're sort

1502
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 3: of like, you know, just like wanted to sit on

1503
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: a chair, go to a movie, whatever, and the only

1504
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 3: thing playing was Amelia Press. I was like, sure, I'll

1505
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 3: see it a second time. And now it's kind of

1506
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: all I can talk about. And I again would not

1507
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 3: necessarily endorse the film. I don't think it's a great movie,

1508
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 3: but I really wanted to be a larger part of

1509
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: like I want lines from it to be part of

1510
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 3: the conversation more so I can reference them. And it's

1511
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 3: it's like I keep cornering people and talking about it,

1512
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: and everyone keeps being like, oh, yeah, like she you know,

1513
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 3: her tweets and like, isn't that terrible. I'm like, yeah, no,

1514
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: I totally agree, Like I definitely don't support anything she

1515
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: has said, but like what about in the movie where

1516
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 3: she says bingal, Like why are we not talking about that?

1517
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 3: Because that's iconic. And also the first time I saw it.

1518
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 3: I thought Zoe Saldania was great, and I still do.

1519
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: The second time I saw it, I think I was

1520
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 3: prime because it was that the scandal to really pay

1521
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: attention to Carlosovia has gone performance And I'm sorry, like

1522
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: I definitely disagree with all her political views, but she's

1523
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 3: actually really phenomenal in the film.

1524
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I have not seen it yet, and I

1525
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: would like for you to kind of just even briefly

1526
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: explain why, because it seems so universally hated. Yes, why

1527
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: anyone has voted for this? So is it just money

1528
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 2: that's driving this.

1529
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure Netflix has a big you know, has a

1530
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: lot to do with that. However, it already won Best

1531
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: Actress that Can before it was even boppy.

1532
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.

1533
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: So this is exactly the kind of a conversation I

1534
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: want to have with my friends and peers because I

1535
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 3: think it's fascinating that it's gotten this big response. Because

1536
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 3: you would think, oh, it's like old liberal boomers who

1537
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: want like a heartwarming tale of self actualization. But that's

1538
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 3: not what it is. She's a villain. It is about

1539
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: this woman who is a like a drug lord who

1540
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:55,959
Speaker 3: like murders.

1541
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that.

1542
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: And then she like, I mean, I don't want to

1543
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 3: ruin it. But she attempts to get her life in order,

1544
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 3: but her past comes back to haunt her, let's say,

1545
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 3: and she is a morally complicated character, Like she's not

1546
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: you know this like inspirational symbol of you know, an

1547
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: empowered woman or something like. And so I actually think

1548
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: in its own way, it's like sort of desp matter

1549
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 3: of fact that it's not a good movie. I'm sort

1550
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 3: of like, oh, how funny and almost good that it

1551
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,480
Speaker 3: has gotten people's attention.

1552
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 2: Right, and the music is bad? Is any of it memorable?

1553
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: Because I have a defined have.

1554
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: You seen the clip of Penis to Vagina?

1555
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: I've seen a clip, and I'm not sure if this

1556
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: is it or not. I can't I remember someone sending

1557
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: a thing to me. I was like, what am I

1558
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 2: looking at or hearing?

1559
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: Zoe Saldana is basically hired. I realized I was supposed

1560
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: to promote my own work. That whatever, maybe when this

1561
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: comes out, this will bempletely irrelevant. So I apologize for

1562
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 3: talking about a minute press. Zoe's Aldania is hired to

1563
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 3: figure out a way for this woman to uh transition, okay,

1564
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: And as part of that, she goes to a clinic

1565
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 3: that specializes in gender affirming surgery, and she is in

1566
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 3: this number, she is in conversation with a doctor and

1567
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 3: they are talking about it in the most like ridiculous

1568
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: cartoonish way. So she goes the doctor's like men to

1569
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: woman or woman to man, and then Zoe's Holdania' is

1570
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,799
Speaker 3: like man to woman, and then the doctor goes panis

1571
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: to have vagin.

1572
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: Like rocky horror.

1573
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: Literally. But here's what explains Sorry, I'm gonna stop talking

1574
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 3: in one second. What explains it is that it was

1575
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: actually initially an opera that they turned into a musical.

1576
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 4: Oh.

1577
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 3: And the thing with opera is that, like the songs

1578
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 3: are not like musical numbers, like they're not they wouldn't translate, like,

1579
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 3: they're not pop songs.

1580
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: They're people just singing words yes, without any like songs

1581
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: exactly yes.

1582
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 3: And it always sort of sounds off like when you

1583
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 3: see an opera, you're like, wait, so this is what

1584
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: opera is. This is what I've been hearing about all these.

1585
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,480
Speaker 2: Years, just people almost yelling yeah.

1586
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 3: So I think that does explain. Again, I'm not endorsing

1587
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 3: anything about this film, but I do need everyone to

1588
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 3: see it so a week and finally have a conversation

1589
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: about it. That isn't like you know, that's true. In fact,

1590
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm tired of the y. So anyway, that's what's going

1591
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: on with me. Listen to Stradio Lab.

1592
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: Listen to Radio That's Georgie's podcast.

1593
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm recording a special on April first at the

1594
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 3: Slipper Room.

1595
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: Go see George recording a special.

1596
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, what do you think about me recording

1597
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 3: special on April Fool's Day. I'm being very joker revibed.

1598
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: It's a tough thing to get.

1599
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 3: It's not my intention.

1600
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: I think that's going to work against you in a lot.

1601
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: I definitely agree, unless you you can't embrace it, because

1602
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 2: then people start to wonder. You can't ignore. There's no

1603
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: winning with this.

1604
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 3: No, it's bad. It's bad.

1605
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: April Fools is We've got to move on from that. Holidays.

1606
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: I know it's no one has a good time. It

1607
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: ruins everything. It's just a waste of every twenty four

1608
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: hours of a day. The news cycle becomes very difficult

1609
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,839
Speaker 2: to follow. You can't trust anything.

1610
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to trust me when I say

1611
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: that is when the recording gets happened.

1612
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: Actually, everyone goes see George.

1613
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 3: Okay, and that's it.

1614
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, this is how we play gift a curse.

1615
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to name three things. You'll tell me if

1616
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: they're a gift or a curse and why, and I'll

1617
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 2: tell if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.

1618
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: Gift or curse.

1619
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Number one, This is from a listener who

1620
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 2: we have no idea who it was. This must have

1621
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: come from Instagram Live, so deal with it. Gift or

1622
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: a curse. When someone sneezes multiple times in a row.

1623
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: Curse why?

1624
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: I think, just on a literal level, it feels like

1625
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: they're being possessed, Like it's someone is like acting normally

1626
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: and suddenly they're just like making weird noises and movements

1627
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 3: and you know, and it feels like a devil is

1628
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 3: like either entering or exiting. I just can't imagine that

1629
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 3: being a gift. Wrong.

1630
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, it's a gift. Oh This is why, because

1631
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it really separates people from the people

1632
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: who have a problem with the sneeze and people who

1633
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 2: are seeking attention. I think one sneeze is a natural

1634
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: thing to do. Two sneezes is a natural thing to do.

1635
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: But that's where we stop. Once you go past two.

1636
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: You're an attention seeker. You're looking for the spotlight, and

1637
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 2: I know exactly who you are. You're just trying to

1638
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 2: make noise and get I'm not going to say bless

1639
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: you more than twice. I usually will say once and

1640
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: then do a polite laugh at two. Three. Now I'm

1641
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: getting annoyed.

1642
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 3: So then what's the gift about it?

1643
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 2: Because I know if somebody is doing three, this person

1644
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: is I didn't get enough attention from their parents' side.

1645
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 3: It's a gift for you because you can judge them

1646
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 3: more accurately.

1647
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I can absolutely separate people from they had some

1648
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: dust in their nose and oh they don't need to

1649
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 2: do standing them. Okay, so wrong Number two. This is

1650
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: from a listener named Megan. Gift your a curse, saying

1651
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 2: tld R in a verbal conversation.

1652
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I think curse and I really don't like.

1653
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: It.

1654
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: Really is one of my big pet peeves when Internet

1655
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 3: language makes its way to the real world. And like

1656
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 3: I would and I see this with myself, like because

1657
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 3: I can't resist doing it, and I really think that

1658
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 3: it should be punished by the government. Like we show

1659
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: all we wearing little dog collars, and if you say

1660
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 3: honestly any cliche, you should be hurt a little bit. Obviously,

1661
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 3: cliches are part of life. But like I think, just

1662
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: a little punishment, just like when you eat something really unhealthy,

1663
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: like you get you know, you get diarrhea or something, so.

1664
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: You learn yeah, so your body becomes aware of yes.

1665
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 3: So that's how I feel. Correct, Oh, okay, curse.

1666
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it was difficult for me to even say it,

1667
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: to present this information to you. That was a very

1668
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever actually heard the settle out.

1669
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: I mean I've heard other I turn out slang and

1670
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: this sort of thing settle out, and it's never not

1671
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: been unbelievably grating, and I've lost respect for whoever said it.

1672
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: I can't imagine any scenario where someone says those four

1673
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: letters in my face. For so many I just it

1674
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: is the most excruciating behavior and it's something we're going

1675
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 2: to just have to deal with for the rest of

1676
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: our lives.

1677
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here's a question for you. What And I'm

1678
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 3: trying to think of my own answer to this. What

1679
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 3: currently would you say, is like the number one thing

1680
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 3: you hate hearing someone say, like in terms of cliches

1681
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 3: like that.

1682
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's a very good question.

1683
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh I know, okay, I know what mine is.

1684
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: M let me think for a moment here. Did you

1685
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 2: tell me that maybe it'll spark some.

1686
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 3: I think mine currently and this can change? Is we

1687
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 3: love to see it?

1688
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 2: Oh?

1689
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 3: I really? It really bothers me. And what is it

1690
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: that I don't like about it? Like I as a

1691
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: tick I I often will say it is what it is,

1692
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: which I don't love about myself, but it just I

1693
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: can't unlearn it. And one time, like a close friend

1694
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: of mine was like one of my biggest pet peeve

1695
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 3: is when people say it is what it is? And

1696
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: I was like, the fuck? And so I get it

1697
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 3: if it's something like I think sometimes you just like

1698
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 3: these things go inside of you and you can't escape them. Yes,

1699
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: but there's just something that is so meaningless about we

1700
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: love to see it and and weirdly like like not

1701
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 3: quite sarcastic, but almost like cruel, and like it's like

1702
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 3: you just I just said something and then someone's like, oh,

1703
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: we love to see it. Oh, it's like are you

1704
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: making fun of me?

1705
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: Right, what does that mean?

1706
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:36,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1707
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: I think part of the problem with that particular phrase,

1708
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: and I think there was just like a whole category

1709
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 2: of those is they came from nowhere, whoever saying them.

1710
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with their actual personality or

1711
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 2: how they speak. It's like they read it on something

1712
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: or heard it on a podcast from someone who read

1713
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 2: it on something, and it's Yeah, I feel it does

1714
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: feel like a tick. It's just like a thing that

1715
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,839
Speaker 2: they can't you can't control. And it's not even slang.

1716
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 2: I don't even know what category of useless language that is.

1717
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 3: But like internet language.

1718
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: I hate it so much, But it's the sort of

1719
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't know where you stand on LOL, Like it

1720
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: was saying, oh, were you ever did you ever use it? Yeah?

1721
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,759
Speaker 2: Of course, Okay, I've never used You've never used LOL

1722
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: maybe once in my entire life. I remember very early

1723
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: on being like, that looks stupid. I've totally yeah, And

1724
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm what I'm really shocked by is when people who

1725
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: are like decades older than me will use an LOL,

1726
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's happened to society? But I just

1727
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: I could never naturally type LOL.

1728
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: Do you do lmao.

1729
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I've probably done one of those, both of those

1730
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: ironically at some point. Yeah, but I just like I

1731
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: never go to those.

1732
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 3: I go to ha ha, which is the more respectful option,

1733
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: of course, And of course lol comes with the baggage

1734
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 3: of like sometimes you're basically like undermining your own It's like,

1735
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm almost there, lol, Like you're just like undermining a

1736
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 3: statement you like have some self respect, right.

1737
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you've gotten one right so far. And this

1738
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: is the final one. This is from a listener named

1739
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,480
Speaker 2: Martin Gift or a curse Rotten Tomatoes.

1740
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 3: This is interesting. Obviously the obvious answer is curse. You know,

1741
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 3: it's like you you know, you can't rank or rate art.

1742
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: The only way that I think it could be a

1743
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: gift is Sam Taggert and I, my my beloved co host,

1744
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: we have this thing where we love sixty percent Rotten

1745
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 3: Tomatoes movies.

1746
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 2: I love to hear this, so we keep going.

1747
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 3: So this is like it's like a classic example is

1748
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 3: Darren Aronofski's mother or Vox Lucks is a great example.

1749
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 3: No one fact check how what their actual scores are,

1750
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 3: and so in a weird way because of how flawed

1751
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: and how much of a curse rotten Tomatoes is. There

1752
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 3: is this weird paradox, you know, counterintuitive corollaria where actually

1753
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: it does point you to interesting movies because those movies

1754
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 3: have is fifty to sixty percent un rotten tomatoes. Right, So, okay,

1755
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 3: I should give you a final answer. I will say,

1756
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,959
Speaker 3: to be provocative gift.

1757
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you are wrong. It is. It is a curse.

1758
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: But everything you're saying right now is essentially exactly how

1759
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: I think I when someone tells me it got one

1760
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: hundred percent on rotten tomatoes, there is no metric that

1761
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: is more meaningless. That means if it's something got a

1762
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 2: ninety to one hundred percent, that means it's boring almost

1763
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of the time. It means it's just

1764
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 2: a nothing thing that everybody gave a bee. Yes, and

1765
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 2: the secret is between fifty and I would say upper seventy. Sure,

1766
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 2: Sure that's a that's a movie that will be interesting

1767
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: and probably good. Yeah, or it's not going to be

1768
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: a completely dull time. But I cannot I can't see

1769
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 2: another thing on the internet that says you have to

1770
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,879
Speaker 2: see this one hundred percent rotten tomatoes.

1771
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: I agree, we're on the same page, but I accept

1772
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 3: that I was wrong in my We're wrong.

1773
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've only got one out of three.

1774
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 3: All right, well so not even the fifty percent mark.

1775
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not. Everyone can trust this rotten to me? Yes,

1776
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: damn all right, no one's going to see you poorly played.

1777
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is the final. Oh honalis do you

1778
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: have yours? Onalise has a gift, he a curse that

1779
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: they're going to present to us, and we both have

1780
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: to answer, and they have their answer. Okay, this is

1781
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: the fairest we can get on this podcast.

1782
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 4: So today obviously we just passed me not today today,

1783
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 4: but this episode is coming out right after Saint Patrick's Day,

1784
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: so it's only appropriate that I say gift or curse

1785
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 4: Irish goodbyes.

1786
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: Oh oh okay, I'm just gonna go literal with this one,

1787
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 3: rather than try to be you know, controversial. I think gift.

1788
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: I think just lee like leave them wanting more, leave

1789
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: when you're ready. I don't the like performance of suddenly

1790
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 3: having to give seventeen hugs in a row. It doesn't

1791
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 3: do anything for anyone. I will say. I wish it

1792
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 3: was socially acceptable to just like go give one hug

1793
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 3: to one person that you were like especially happy to

1794
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 3: see it. But you can't do that.

1795
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 2: But I'll say gift and I'm going to say curse

1796
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 2: because I love them. So it's the only option I

1797
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: ever want to use. And I know that some people

1798
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: aren't okay with you just vanishing, and some people will

1799
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: comment and they're usually very irritating. But I for me,

1800
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: it's become almost a disease in my life where I

1801
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 2: never say goodbye to anybody at the party. I'm just

1802
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: taking off, And it's it's almost given me too much

1803
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 2: permission to leave a party, I see. But I do

1804
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: love it so much. On alease, it's a gift.

1805
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 4: They're a gift. I mean at the end of the day,

1806
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I said the word I said. But

1807
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I can't say that.

1808
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: Ok, at the end of the day, at the end

1809
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 2: of the shohow.

1810
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 4: That's another one of those buzz phreezes.

1811
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: Classic. It is a classic.

1812
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 3: You're getting buzzed. Yeah, your collor is going off exactly.

1813
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 4: So the way that I see it is that if

1814
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 4: you don't say goodbye, if you do an Irish goodbye

1815
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: at a party, the real friends of yours will understand.

1816
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 4: They will forgive you, and the ones who wouldn't are

1817
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 4: the exact kind of person that it's appropriate to give

1818
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 4: an Irish goodbye too. So your your reasoning is absolutely

1819
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 4: justified for doing it in the first place.

1820
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I totally understand that an at least

1821
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: you are wrong. George, you are wrong, I'm correct, But

1822
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: it seems like we all appreciate the Irish goodbye in

1823
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 2: some way, and that's what is important.

1824
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would even say your answer was in favor

1825
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 3: of it, and then.

1826
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: We're all in favor of it. Okay, where are we

1827
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: in the We have to answer a listener question, and

1828
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 2: I just want to say to the listener, please start

1829
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 2: writing in about with questions other than things about what

1830
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: to give people. I'm so tired of giving gift advice.

1831
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: Ask me and the guest anything. I am ready to

1832
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: answer other questions. That said, let's answer a question I said,

1833
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: no gifts at gmail dot com. Okay, this says, let's

1834
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: see bah deer Bridger and guest. How do I deal

1835
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 2: with a mother in law who is a Debbie Downer.

1836
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 2: She knows how to turn any topic into a painful one.

1837
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: She i can't invite her to our little celebrations. Is

1838
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: there a way I can steer her away from saying

1839
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 2: something that will shit all over our get togethers? Any

1840
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 2: suggestions would be helpful. Thank you so much, Danny. So, basically,

1841
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Downie has this mother in law who sucks, who's causing

1842
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 2: trouble at all of the parties and just making everybody

1843
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: feel bad all the time. Is there something that she

1844
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: can do to keep her from ruining every event that

1845
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: she's ever been invited to.

1846
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: No, you think someone's gonna change, people don't change fucking real.

1847
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 3: And also, I'll tell you what else, There is no

1848
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 3: elegant way to be shitting on your mother. By the way,

1849
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 3: I don't say this from experience because I love my

1850
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 3: mother in law, but my mom, my mom, and my

1851
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 3: grandmother on my father's side, I just have different personalities.

1852
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 3: They are perfectly cordial. But like anytime you get into

1853
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:15,719
Speaker 3: the space of basically doing mother in law humor, even

1854
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 3: when you think you're coming out on top, you are

1855
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: the like. You seem like the mean one, the problem

1856
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: because you're mad at an older woman who has sacrificed

1857
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: so much and in fact, the reason you're married Yes

1858
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 3: to your husband, Greg, and I it's just one of

1859
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 3: those things that like, if you don't like your mother

1860
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: in law, you gotta suck it up, right right.

1861
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I will say, the way I deal with

1862
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: somebody who is just a NonStop negative force, well, I

1863
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: feel like I fall into that category a lot of

1864
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 2: the time. But when I have somebody who will not stop,

1865
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: what I do is I lean into whatever they're complaining

1866
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: about and I go too far to the point that

1867
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 2: they have to be like ooh that's good, Oh this

1868
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 2: seems bad. Yeah, And then I mean I makes me

1869
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: seem insane or horrible, but at least we're like hopefully

1870
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: of course, correcting this person's behavior because they're like, oh,

1871
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: now I'm questioning my own opinions and what I'm doing

1872
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: because Bridger's going so far and so hard with this

1873
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 2: negative opinion.

1874
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, unless they call your bluff and they really

1875
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 3: just like get you lower and lower, and then you

1876
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 3: both are just like you're saying, yeah, I know, but

1877
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 3: it is obviously I get it. And and to your point,

1878
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: I've also been that person and I had to really like,

1879
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's still within me, but I had to

1880
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 3: unlearn or I had to learn that, Like, it's not

1881
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: inherently interesting to hate everything, right, which I used to

1882
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 3: genuinely think it was.

1883
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,799
Speaker 2: Well, but I'm also going to say, there's a category

1884
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: of person that will say you just hate everything. You'll

1885
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 2: say something critical about something. I bet you've dealt with

1886
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: somebody like this where they say, well, you just like

1887
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: to hate everything. That category, that sort of person is

1888
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: very much you have too much time on your hands?

1889
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 2: How do you think of these things?

1890
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 3: That kind of thing, I mean talk about a cliche

1891
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 3: that thankfully is on its way out, is like, let

1892
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:03,799
Speaker 3: people enjoy things.

1893
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: Oh, because that was a poisonous period of time. That

1894
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: is a bad, bad philosophy.

1895
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: What if I enjoy constructive critique?

1896
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't give everything a free pass. Some things

1897
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: are bad.

1898
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And actually it's I think the thing is most

1899
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 3: people that that that let people enjoy things thing is

1900
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: yelled at don't deserve it. Like it's like most people

1901
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 3: are perfect like you and I, and we're just like

1902
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: very critical. But then when we do like something, we

1903
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 3: have a thoughtful we will express that and will be

1904
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 3: thoughtful about it, and and it'll be like there's evidence, yes,

1905
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 3: but then it is true just inevitably that there are

1906
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: some people who do hate everything right, but they make

1907
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: it worse for the rest of us that are just

1908
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: like really kind of smart and critical right, who.

1909
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 2: Have standards exactly Yeah, but just once when I criticize something,

1910
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: I'd like someone to say, you have standards, yes, rather

1911
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: than you hate everything.

1912
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 3: I know.

1913
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I need more compliments, Danny, do whatever you want with

1914
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: the mother in law. Don't write back. In beautiful we

1915
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: answered the question. I have this gorgeous little thing that

1916
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: will be in my kitchen very soon, and I've had

1917
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: such a lovely time with you.

1918
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: To me too, this has been so lovely.

1919
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Thank you for taking part of your trip out to

1920
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 2: come here in the rain. Listener, the podcast is over.

1921
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 2: I need you to just figure out something to do

1922
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 2: with your day. I have no suggestions whatsoever. I love you, goodbye.

1923
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 2: I said No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our

1924
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 2: senior producer is on Alise Nelson, and our episodes are

1925
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 2: beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by

1926
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 2: miracle worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without

1927
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on

1928
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: Instagram at I said No Gifts that's where you're going

1929
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 2: to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting.

1930
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: And don't you want to see the gifts?

1931
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

1932
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: When you're a guess to my home, you gotta come

1933
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: to me empty. And I said, no guests, your own

1934
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:29,640
Speaker 1: presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So

1935
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: how do you

1936
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 2: Dare to surbey me?