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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left's podcast. Like

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Speaker 1: yesterday is the bass player for Tesla, Brian read Brian,

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Speaker 1: you wrote a new book and the title is Son

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Speaker 1: of a Milkman. Why did you use that title because

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Speaker 1: I am the illegitimate son of the milkman. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you know today people having babies without being married, etcetera

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Speaker 1: is Derek Gurr. But back when you were born, it

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Speaker 1: was a little bit pooh pooed. Was it something you

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Speaker 1: grew up with that had any negative connotation or any

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Speaker 1: negative impact upon your life? Well, just in the fact

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Speaker 1: that I come from a large family. There's uh, five

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Speaker 1: brothers and one sister now is the youngest. And you

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Speaker 1: know the old joke used to be, well you are

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Speaker 1: the milkman's kid. Well it's I am the milkman's kid.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of why when I sat down

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Speaker 1: and started to decide to write a book, I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: that would be a good title because people think it's

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Speaker 1: a joke, But for me, it wasn't a joke. I

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Speaker 1: was the milkman's kid. You know. He came by and

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Speaker 1: dropped off of cream and my brothers were out there

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Speaker 1: ripping off his ice cream truck or whatever he had,

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Speaker 1: you know, the dairy truck, and he got mom pregnant

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Speaker 1: and cut out. So it was that's how life began.

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Speaker 1: So why write a book, Brian, Well, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: In this book, I talked a lot about me and

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Speaker 1: the things that I have to go through in life

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Speaker 1: with autoimmune disease and depression and anxiety and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So getting back to why writing the book. When I

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Speaker 1: first started to develop anxiety attacks and I went to

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Speaker 1: see this therapist in New York, Dr Hirst Cough, he

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Speaker 1: said to me, you know, one day you should consider

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Speaker 1: writing a book. It would be a good way to

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Speaker 1: help you let go of some of the things that

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Speaker 1: you hang onto that maybe are causing you anxiety. And

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Speaker 1: at the time we were only on Great Radio Controversy,

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Speaker 1: so I went, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I never really thought about it again. And then

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Speaker 1: I think it was when I turned fifty I said, well,

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Speaker 1: all right that that came to mind again. You know,

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Speaker 1: this thing about a book. I've seen other people's books

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Speaker 1: in the bookstores, Duff mckagans and a few other people's.

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Speaker 1: I thought, well enough, time has passed in my life

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Speaker 1: to actually write something about and the band having a

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Speaker 1: career the thirty years or whatever it was at the time,

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Speaker 1: because they started the book eight years ago, so I said, well,

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Speaker 1: then maybe it's time to do a book. There's enough

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Speaker 1: history and people might want to read a story about

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Speaker 1: the base player that started the band Tesla. But at

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Speaker 1: the time in in No One, when I gave a ship,

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Speaker 1: you know, they just wouldn't have that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Tesla was still you know, becoming Tesla and and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and so I just thought, you know, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a turning fifty thing and then turning fifty, turn

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Speaker 1: fifty five. And we finished it last year. Okay, did

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Speaker 1: you write it alone? How did What was your actual process?

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Speaker 1: So I started. I started it eight years ago with

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Speaker 1: this guy, Pete mckowski, who used to write for Sounds

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Speaker 1: basically he was interviewing me and interviewing other people and stuff,

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Speaker 1: And then a couple of years after that, this guy

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Speaker 1: you do this and let me write? Let me let's

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Speaker 1: So we did that, and the feedback we got then

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Speaker 1: And for a minute I went, oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there's some kidding Tara Hut, Indiana with colidas or something

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Speaker 1: He reads the book and he goes, as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not the only guy, meaning him that has this condition.

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Speaker 1: Brian has it in Tesla, and I can relate. So

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Speaker 1: if then I thought, well, maybe I've been actually helped somebody.

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Speaker 1: And that's when I went full four center. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: separate some of the health issues. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: physical health issues to begin. When did your colitis and

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Speaker 1: crone's manifest When did you first notice you had them? Fourteen?

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Speaker 1: And what happened then? I just got one day, I

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Speaker 1: to what degree is politis amplified by stress. There's a

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Speaker 1: I think it started two years before when I was

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Speaker 1: the last four five years, I've been really good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: from tickets and t shirts, make no money on records,

425
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: no money on publishing, no money on you know, Spotify

426
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: and Apple Music. That's you know, that's when no one

427
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: gets nothing, you know, unless you're a super act. So

428
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: we're I was trying to grow it. You just you

429
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: try to get on the bigger tours like we've done

430
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: in the past, in the in the summer, big Live

431
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: Nation tours to try to build your audience bigger um.

432
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: But Tesla has a cult following. We We can roll

433
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: into any town and do two thousand seats, you know, anywhere,

434
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: in some places four and five thousands, So that I'm

435
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: thankful for. That's what all that hard work we did

436
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: in that first half allowed us to be able to

437
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: still do. If you go to those markets to what

438
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: degree can you play new material? Well, we might play

439
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: three or four songs maximum out of how many how

440
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: long it said, how many our forty five minutes? You know,

441
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: an hour forty five minutes set, you might hear four

442
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: new songs and and and you know it's not like

443
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: it was back in the eighties and early nineties. You know,

444
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: people they go off and get a beer and do whatever,

445
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: and you know they want to hear the hits. They

446
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: want to hear the things they know, They want to

447
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: hear the way it is. They want to hear signs

448
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: and want to hear Susie Cowboy, what you give love song?

449
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, they there's a certain percentage of our fans

450
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: that do like that. You know, we'll sell fifty sixty

451
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: seventy thousand albums still today, which is is pretty good,

452
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: but not compared to when you were selling two and

453
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: a half million. So you know, there's not a lot

454
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: of you know, we do though we we put them in.

455
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: We put three or four in, but never more than

456
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: four because it's just okay. And getting on those live

457
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: nation package tours in the sheds. Who makes that happen? Um, Well,

458
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: we have a we have a great agency, a G.

459
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: I Adam Cornfield and Dennis Arthur, and recently we were managed.

460
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: I managed the band from two thousand five until about

461
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen sixteen, and at that point we hooked

462
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: back up with our old buddies and Deaf Leopard, and

463
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: I got us on that one Deaf Leopard Sticks Tesla

464
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: package that was out that one summer, and then we

465
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: did two more. But at that point I think I

466
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: felt that if we were going to take the band

467
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: any far farther and try to grow that thing, I

468
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: needed to get with a big manager right now, mind you.

469
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I called Peter and Cliff back in the beginning and

470
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: they were like, no, it's okay, we're not into When

471
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: we got back together, went on into nostalgia and I

472
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: understand that. How did it make you feel, though? Well?

473
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: I hurt my feelings at first, you know, when Cliff

474
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: said that to me. But Cliffs are genius and Tesla

475
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: would not be what Tesla was without Cliff Bernstein. Cliff

476
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: Burnstein was one of the dry be forces. Well can

477
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: you stop there for a second and say what Cliff

478
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: added or what Cliff did? Well, Cliff, outside of being

479
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: a business genius, has a really good musical ear and

480
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: and Cliff he was like our A and R guy.

481
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean Tom Zutat was there the first record and

482
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: he took us to Cliff, but after that Guns and

483
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Roses had exploded and he wasn't really you know, it

484
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: was Cliff. It was Cliff and Peter we were sending

485
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: our songs to. Tom was involved to a degree, but

486
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: not like Peter and Cliff, and mainly Cliff. Peter was

487
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: more the touring guy, you know, the stage, that guy

488
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: the muscle and if you wanted to talk about, you know,

489
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: doing a track with a symphony or something, you know Peter,

490
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean Cliff was that guy. And their relationships there's

491
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: there's the two of them and you know both of

492
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: them well, but um, being on your end, it I've

493
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: never been represented by them. Uh, they were the best.

494
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: What was the band happy with what they said? Or

495
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: would you tend to argue with the two of them.

496
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: In the beginning, we were happy to what they what

497
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: they said. And the problem is is that once the

498
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: band becomes successful, then they don't want to listen anymore.

499
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: And there was one bad mistake that was that we

500
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: never let Peter and Cliff or Tom Zoo tat ever

501
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: forget and that's that. The three of them never wanted

502
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: to put Love Song on that album. They said, it's

503
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: three songs, it's not a song. And we fought tooth

504
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: and nail, and so anytime we after Love Song that

505
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: we said something they didn't agree. We said, well, you

506
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: didn't like love Song either, and I'm sure they got

507
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: tired of hearing. Now. Look, we were a paid in

508
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: the asked to manage. You know, we never really cracked

509
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: it like Guns or Metallica or Leopard or Motley. We

510
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: were in the second level of the band. You know,

511
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I'd like to say we we were the B B

512
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: level bands. We had a couple of hits, but never

513
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: massive and at a certain point, I guess, you know,

514
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: for those guys, it was just too much trouble when

515
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: it was worth. You know, we had problems with the

516
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: guitar player, and you know, we were dysfunctional, and you know,

517
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: I can't blame him. But at the time when Cliff

518
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: said he wasn't in a nostalgia me being naive and

519
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: being the positive guy that I am, I thought, I'll

520
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: called Peter, Will call Cliff, Will call Thompson, Barbiuro We

521
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: get the whole band back together. We'll just pick up

522
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: where we left off. No, No, that's that's not what happened.

523
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: So what year were in when you're having these conversations.

524
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Two thousand, Okay, so it's not not that long. It's

525
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: five years after the band break Yeah, it's five years

526
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: after the band broke up. Okay, let's go into a

527
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: few things here. You were, you know, Thompson and Barbierro

528
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: you had mixed feelings about yeah, yeah, and then ultimately

529
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: you felt Thompson I believe added something. And first what

530
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: the guy doing, but in retrospect you said he was

531
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: a key influencers approach. Yeah, and again it's it's it's

532
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: that thing of being young and and nowaive. You didn't

533
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: really get what Steve was doing until you look back

534
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: on it later, you know, because we associated everything. Unless

535
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: you were turning knobs or playing guitar, you weren't really

536
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: doing anything. Well, Steve didn't play the guitar, and he

537
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: wasn't an engineer, but he'd come in there and he'd

538
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: speak in these these metaphors like I want you to

539
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: inject some energy here, and we're like, okay, great, what

540
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: fucking key you know what I mean, and you know,

541
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: so yeah, at the time, you know, and we and

542
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I and I also say we had a phone out

543
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: with with with barberro In in the end of Psychotic

544
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Supper where he walked out and me and Frank had

545
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: to finish mixing the album. You know, those those were

546
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: just things you go through when you've got success, money, drugs,

547
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: people telling you how fucking cool you are. Um, although

548
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: I did feel that we had outgrown him by the

549
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: third album, I felt that it was time and I

550
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: think we all did to try, you know, something different.

551
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: But I was at the point when we got back

552
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: together I had seen all that and realized that, and

553
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, it was like and the thing that Thompson

554
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: and barber Erero said to me was well said to

555
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: the bend, was we'll we'll do a record if the

556
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: songs are good. And that kind of was like, well,

557
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: what the funk weren't the song is good the first

558
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: time around? You know that kind of again, we're passed off,

559
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, for a day. But you know, the funny

560
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: thing about it is I speak to Steve quite often

561
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: and Mike I don't speak with too much that I

562
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: think Mike, you know, he harbors a little ill feelings

563
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: to me because he says I wouldn't let them go

564
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: mix the Guns and Roses record and walk off Psychotic

565
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Supper and that, you know, I cost him a lot

566
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: of money. And I said, Mike, but you made four

567
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: of the records that were multi platinum records in that

568
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: same time for hime, I cost you anything. I mean,

569
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: why why would anyone say, oh, yeah, go ahead, we'll

570
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: stop you go ahead, you know, ACXL, Slash, Mike, Steve,

571
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Tom everyone, you know. I mean, you can imagine how

572
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: how he felt. But I think Mike still to this

573
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: day kind of harbors a little bit of that fell feeling.

574
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't, but I since he does, because

575
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't. It's never been really quite the same between

576
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: me and Michael. Let me and Steve are fine, okay.

577
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: You know, to the outside observer, they would think a

578
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: song by love Song would be what the label and

579
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: the manager would tell you to do a ballad. So

580
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: what what is the story of how love Song was created?

581
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: What was it from the band's side, Well, we were

582
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: just in doing demos, you know. We we had this

583
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: little rehearsal room and we had a a track tape

584
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: machine set up, and we were just writing songs for

585
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: the next record after Mechanical Residents, and we had Heavens

586
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Trail and Hang Tough and and and and what It

587
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: Is and What You Give was even ready for that record,

588
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: but Jeff didn't have the lyrics together. And but the

589
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: one that we all thought were like was the the song,

590
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: the one that we thought was the hit on that

591
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: record was love Song. And we played it to Peter

592
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: and Cliff and Tom and they said, we don't like it.

593
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: It's it's just sounds like three songs. And Jeff Keith

594
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: literally started crying, like fucking crying tears and all, and I,

595
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: how can you say that, you know? And and I

596
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: think that was the first time Cliff ever saw Jeff

597
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: that emotional, which he got to see much later in

598
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: our career. And they were all kind of taken back,

599
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and we're like, you know, guys, we really believe in

600
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: this song. And and uh, you know, we had to

601
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: twist some arms and really kind of say, look, well,

602
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: we'll throw off fucking lazy days, crazy nights. And that's

603
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Cliff Bernstein's favorite song. I just gotta mention because I

604
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: was gonna bring that up because that's one of your

605
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that was the only very successful track you hadn't mentioned

606
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: yet and certainly my anthem and he and he remember

607
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: being at backstage at the meadow Lands and def Lepper.

608
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: We were playing with Queens Rich and we were working

609
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: on the second album and and we said, you know

610
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: what we're putting love song on? We don't, we don't

611
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: fuck it. We'll take we're taking Lazy Days, Crazy Nights

612
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: off the record. He I'll buy that song from you.

613
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: How much you want for it, I'll buy it. I

614
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: want that song. He said, Okay, okay, calm down, okay,

615
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: because he really, he really loved that song. And but

616
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, that was the thing that they just didn't,

617
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, all the powers to be didn't wanted to

618
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: put it out, and that's why it came out on

619
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: that record. I don't know if you remember, we put

620
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: out Heavens Trail first, and then we put out Hang

621
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Tough and it's stalled, and everyone's like, oh, that's it

622
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: for Tesla and uh. At that point we pleaded with

623
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Tom Zootat to go to Eddie Rosen Black and give

624
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: us one more track, and he said okay, and it

625
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: gave us love song and took Peter and Cliff's credit.

626
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: At that time, they were doing the Steel Wheels tour,

627
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: and I know they bartered, you know, tickets for uh

628
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: shots like mash Trash. If you give Teslas Master trash,

629
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: let it see if people fans react to it, you know,

630
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: we'll give you tickets or whatever. There was some of

631
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: that going on. So in the end they did believe

632
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: in it and and help make it a hit. It

633
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: was it took like fourteen weeks for that track to

634
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: to build up to what it came and then it

635
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of blew up for a while. But in the

636
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: beginning they did not want to put that on the record. Okay,

637
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: have you always been the business guy in the band?

638
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Minch? You know, Peter took a

639
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: liking to me and he said, look, I'm gonna make

640
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: sure that you're not one of those guys that don't

641
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: know how to to book a plane flight or a

642
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: hotel room. And so I kind of always paid attention

643
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: to what they were doing and ask questions and advice

644
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I caught shipped from some of the

645
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: guys in the band. They used to call the manager's

646
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: boy and stuff, you know, because I would say, guys,

647
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: I think we should listen to him. You know, you know,

648
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: you're always agreeing with him. Well they're successful, I mean,

649
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, um, so yeah, I always wound up wearing

650
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: that hat and I still do to this day. And

651
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was originally five members. Now four original members.

652
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: How do you keep the band together? You know, there's

653
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: just something, there's a brotherhood there, okay, And I thought

654
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: the other guy was part of the brotherhood, but you know,

655
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: he chose drugs versus the band. The whole band got

656
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: clean for him, you know, tried to support him, and

657
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: he just couldn't. He couldn't do it. He couldn't hang

658
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: and the four of us did. And then I think

659
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: when we were play faced Tommy with Dave Rude, he

660
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: was such a perfect replacement because it could have went

661
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the other way, we could have wound up breaking up again.

662
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: That we all just realized that it's a special thing

663
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: we have that doesn't come easy to two people, you know,

664
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: being able to play and have people buy your concert

665
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: tickets and your t shirts year after year after you're

666
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: a special thing. And we realize it. I mean, sure,

667
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: we fight now and again like brothers do. But we're

668
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: brothers and you know, we have other outlets now to

669
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: where we can do other things where it's if we

670
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: don't feel like, you know, we want to do something

671
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: that's outside the framework of what teslayers because it's a brand.

672
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Tesla is a brand. You expect a certain sound. If

673
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: if we deviate too much, your fans bitch at us.

674
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: You know. So we have things that we can go

675
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: do outside, but we always come back to to Tesla

676
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: and quite honestly, it's how we make our living as well.

677
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we were never the level to where we

678
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: all became like multi meonionaires, right, So we're working band.

679
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: That's how we that's how we earn our living is

680
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: going out and playing a hundred shows a year. It's

681
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: a nice living, don't get me wrong. But you know

682
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: you stop it for two years for Corona, it takes

683
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: an effect on you, your your your bank account. Trust me, buddy, Okay,

684
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: how do you feel about changing the band's name to Tesla,

685
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: and especially in light of the car at this point, Well,

686
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: the card the car didn't come around ntil two thousand

687
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: and six, so it's funny, Like I call someone today

688
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: and go, Hi, this is Barnian Wheat from tests and

689
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: they go, oh the car company. No, I'm with the

690
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: band you know started And you know, when Cliff brought

691
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: that to us, we said, what the Fox of Tesla?

692
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: You know that was Jeff exactly words and what the

693
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: Fox of Tesla man? And he told us who Tesla was.

694
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: We never in a thousand years would have picked that

695
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: for a name for the band. We didn't know anything

696
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: about him. It wasn't taught to us in school. And

697
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: none of us were like science fanatics, you know, we

698
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: were music fanatics. Um as far as the car, I

699
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: think the car is cool. I've reached out to Ellen

700
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: a couple of times, tried to get him to a

701
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: a show, uh, because I saw a picture where he

702
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: was wearing our T shirt at Sundance, you know, and

703
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: had our faces on it. And Okay, he obviously knows

704
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: who we are, right And so I got hold of

705
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: his executive p A and sent message and he said

706
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: some shirts, some Tesla shirts. We sent him some more

707
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: Tesla band shirts and we were never able to get together,

708
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: but I'd like to meet him some day. He seemed

709
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: like he's a pretty cool guy. Speaking of high profile people.

710
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: There are a lot of stories about you being friends

711
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: with Jimmy page. How did that happen and what is

712
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: the nature of your friendship. Well, Jimmy is a really

713
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: good friend of mine. Um, I met Jimmy with Ross Halfin,

714
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: who's a really good friend of mine. And Ross Halfin's

715
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: like Jimmy's brother, and I met him backstage at Hammersmith

716
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: onean at our David Lee Ross show. So Ross said,

717
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: I was there mixing busting nut with Terry Thomas and

718
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Frank Annon. Ross call ups today, you want to go

719
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: see David Lee Roth. Yeah, sure, I ain't got nothing

720
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: to do. So Jenny's coming out. Don't be stupid, don't

721
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: be a fanboy, they said, don't be a punter, right,

722
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I know a hand of myself. I'll

723
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: be okay. And you know I'm not gonna gush all that.

724
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: So Jimmy came in Ross and induced me to Jimmy.

725
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I said hi, Jimmy said hi, and then everyone flocked

726
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy as they do. And then when all that settled down,

727
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy, I'm gonna go get something at the bar.

728
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you want something? He said yeah? He said okay,

729
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: so I came back and I gave him his drink

730
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: and he said thank you. I said, you're welcome. He said,

731
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: I really like five Man Acoustic Jim, and I think

732
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: it's great. And I went, what he said, five Man

733
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Acoustic Jim. I think it's a great album and no

734
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: one talks about it. And I went, Man, I didn't

735
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: even think you knew who I was. Of course I

736
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: know who you are. You're in Tesla, we're on the

737
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: same label. We're on Guffing because he had Outrider, and

738
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: and then when he toured with Page Plant, I would

739
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: go see him. You know, he'd reach out to me

740
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: if when he was in the States, his his assistant, Hey,

741
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy's gonna be in town. You know, you want to

742
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: come to see him, see him? And I just developed

743
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: this friendship over the years, and really we got to

744
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: be really pretty good friends in the last ten years.

745
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: More um, because I was going to England a lot

746
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: with Ross and seeing Ross, and Jimmy was always around,

747
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: so we'd go we'd go out, you know, record shopping

748
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. And he's actually the one that got me

749
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: into collecting vinyl because I had given up all my

750
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: vinyl and him and Ross would go to these record

751
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: shops and and freak out a re Vinyl and I'd go, guys,

752
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a coffee shop. I listen to

753
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: the CDs and Jimmy said, no, Brian, he really missing

754
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: it here, man. Vinyl sounds much much better. And one

755
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: night I was over there and I had given him

756
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: a Hoffner for his birthday I don't know, six seven,

757
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: eight years ago, and so me and my wife Monique

758
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: went to his house to pick him up. And he's like, well,

759
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: we'll go to this place to Troubadour and and they

760
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: have some food and they do poetry and stuff there,

761
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: and he put on Johnny Burnette trio train kept rolling

762
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: on vinyl. And because we're just sitting in his living

763
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: room getting ready to go, and he's showing me this

764
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: where I'm showing him the base and he's going, okay, cool,

765
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: and he put I was just like, whoa. And at

766
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: that point in when he's right, it does sound better.

767
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: And then I started collecting vinyl. So I've been lucky

768
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: because my two heroes when I was a kid with

769
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and Jimmy Page, and I've met him both.

770
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Paul I just met, you know, he he has no

771
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: clue who I am. But Jimmy I developed the friendship,

772
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: and that that's something that's really special and cool to me.

773
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: And what is the friendship based on? Why do you click?

774
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: We both like, we both like chicken, we both like

775
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: are we we both like going to weird places, we

776
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: both like vinyl records. We're peers. I know that's funny

777
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: for me to stay right, but they'll say you're a peer,

778
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: you're a fellow musician, Brian. You know, so just all

779
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: of at and I think the fact that he liked

780
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: me for some reason, I didn't freak out and go,

781
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're Jimmy Page. You know, he he

782
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: liked me, and he because he easily could have just said,

783
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it was, you know, it was on him,

784
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: and he extended it out and we just became friends.

785
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Now you're painting that you're obviously a talkative guy with intelligence.

786
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: To what degree do you spend every day emailing talking

787
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: to people or are you more of a hermit when

788
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you're not on the road. Who are you keeping contact

789
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: with all these people? Recently? I spent a lot of

790
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: time talking well, you mean, like to my friends or

791
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: just in general. I didn't you know, what kind of

792
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: person are you? In general? Uh? I have a small

793
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: group of friends, you know. I have two guys that

794
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: are in bands, Joe Eliott and Jimmy Page that I

795
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: would say, well, they're my friends, no acquaintances or peers.

796
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: And then I got some other kind of people, Ross

797
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: and you know, a doctor, different different people, different walks alive.

798
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: But I got maybe ten of them, and I don't.

799
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I speak to a couple of them every day,

800
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: you know. It depends on where I'm at. Like my

801
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: friend Marvin and Tommy here in Texas. You know, if

802
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm in Texas, I'll speak to them every day. If

803
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm in New York, I might speak to him every

804
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: three or four days. Where I have a friend in

805
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: New York named Mike, and I speak to him every

806
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: day when I'm in New York. It depends Ross I speak.

807
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: I spoke to Ross this morning. Jimmy I texted with

808
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: on his birthday last week. Um. I used to hang

809
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: with Ross a lot in the eighties, and the last

810
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: time I saw him was with Jimmy. If he was

811
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: warning me about something about similar with Jimmy and then

812
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I ended up not even talking to me. It was

813
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: at the premiere of it might get loud, you know,

814
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: just like everybody's hanging around Jimmy, I'm not gonna go Yeah. Yeah.

815
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: Ross is really protectively Jimmy. Yeah, but you making I mean,

816
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: I know, Ross, But you make a point in the

817
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: book that you have flown all over the world with Ross.

818
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that? Well. Ross is one

819
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: of my best friends, and I love Ross Helfing. I

820
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: know there are a lot of people can't stand them.

821
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: They hate it. And I look at Ross and I go,

822
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you've never been punched some of these ships.

823
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: You say to people, the ship that comes out of

824
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: your mouth, Ross, and he goes, you know, I just

825
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: do it because it blows their mind. They can't believe

826
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: I said it. I said, one day, you're gonna get punched.

827
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: He's like a brother to me, you know, um he um.

828
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: I met him first when we did that first photo

829
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: session for Mechanical Residents, and he said, you know, don't worry,

830
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll put you in the back. You're not the lead singer.

831
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: And I thought, what an asshole, you know, And I

832
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: told Peter Minh said, you know, this guy's a fucking dick.

833
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: He said, just tell him the funk off, you know,

834
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: that's what he likes. So I did, and the whole

835
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: band did. And then what happened was we wound up

836
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: on on tour in England with Leopard on the Hysteria

837
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: Tour of England, and Ross was their photographer, and he

838
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: just connected with me. You know, I like UFO. He

839
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: was friends with Pete Way. You know, we we kind

840
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: of bonded over UFO, I think more than anything, because

841
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: Pete Way was another hero mine and we just developed

842
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: this friendship over the years. And and I'd see him,

843
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, all through the nineties until we broke up.

844
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: And then I didn't see him for four or five

845
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: maybe six years, and we actually didn't talk for maybe

846
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: three or four years. Not that we were mad at

847
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: each other anything, just saving saving happened to me. I

848
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. People are on different different

849
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: And then I remember calling him because we were we

850
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: were in the studio making the real the real records,

851
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: and and I just I saw his blog or something,

852
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: you know what I should call him, And I called him.

853
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, what do you want? I'm like you know,

854
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what do any what I want to call

855
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: to say hello your cox sucker um. And we just

856
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: kind of picked back up where where we left off.

857
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: And there was a point where he was going through

858
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: a bad period in his life and me and Monique

859
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: flew over to help him out and be with him

860
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: because we didn't want him to be alone. And I

861
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: think that that struck something with him, you know, And

862
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: he's just he's just he's just like like I said,

863
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: he's like a brother. The book that you take to

864
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: go to Asia with him. Yeah, when we were talking

865
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: this morning, he's like, let's go back to Bangkok. I said, well,

866
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: and he was just in Dubai with kiss. I said, well,

867
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: let me get this hernia surgery out of the way

868
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: because I gotta have a hernia surgery and he just

869
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: had one yesterday. I said, And we'll go somewhere in March,

870
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, we'll either go to Dubai or you know

871
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: wherever people allie us to go right now with all

872
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: these travel restrictions, Uh, we'll go. So it's funny because

873
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: just this morning, you know, come on, you should come

874
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: over and we should go. You know, we should go here,

875
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: We should go there. He's been going to Egypt the

876
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: last couple of months and he's really been into Egypt, so,

877
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, and so from going with him, I'd always

878
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: take pictures on my iPhone and I'd say, Ross, you

879
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: may be the greatest rock and roll photographer, but I'm

880
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: the world's greatest iPhone photographer, right, need to say, I'll

881
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: fuck you, Brian. So one day he gave me one

882
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: of his Lias to play with while we were out

883
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: on one of our trips, and I started taking photographs

884
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: of travel stuff, you know, and he said, Brian, those

885
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: are pretty good. You got a good eye list at all. Thanks.

886
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: I know nothing about a camera, BOK. I'm not the

887
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: technical guy, aperture all that stuff. I'm one of these

888
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: points shoot guys. And uh. I just started taking pictures

889
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: and I got really into it. And then he gave

890
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: me one of his Nike on D three's, so then

891
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: I got more better at it, and he let me

892
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: use some of his lenses and I got into it.

893
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: But again with him, it's it's anything from photographs to

894
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: food too KFC, to vinyl records to going to really

895
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: weird places. I think you know. We went to Burma,

896
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: which was pretty trippy. That was kind of that was

897
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: kind of an eye opener. We were in Hanoi a

898
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, which was really cool. I love it.

899
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: So he's my travel buddy, and you know, he's he's

900
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: a he's a friend, he's a dear friend. Okay, you

901
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: mentioned Monique. Now in the book you talk about your

902
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: first marriage, So a couple of questions, how do you

903
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: keep a relationship together when you're on the road, and

904
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: to what degree have you taken, whether it be earlier

905
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: in your career now taking advantage of the so called

906
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: perks of the road, are you Are you alluding to

907
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: women on the road? Yes, I am. Okay, Well that's

908
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: not my style, to be honest with you. I um,

909
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: I had a super cool wife and I had a

910
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: super cool first wife. My old there is, if you're

911
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: gonna do that, you don't need to be married. And

912
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: I did plenty of that, Bob, you know, from nine

913
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: eight seven to nine when I married Sandy Serea and

914
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: then you know we split up in ninety three or

915
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: ninety four until I got back to got together with Monique,

916
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: and you know, I I was like a guy in

917
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: a smart news board, you know, Okay, but how do

918
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: you know the first wife it broke up. You say

919
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: it was because she wanted a career, but you know,

920
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: I remember when Cliff was telling me about Metallica or

921
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: some many they all went on the road for two

922
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: and a half years. They all came home and got divorces. Uh,

923
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: how do you keep the relations ship together when you're

924
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: away so much. Well, that's the thing I had the

925
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: advantage of. It was hard to keep the relationship together

926
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: with my first wife because she was on do in

927
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: her career in Peter and Cliff managed her too, and

928
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: I was off doing Tesla, and then you know, she

929
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: wanted a family. All these things point we were just

930
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: young and wound up getting a doors like most people

931
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: do when they were young. Well, it wasn't too long

932
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: after we got a divorce. My band broke up, so

933
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the road for another five years. So

934
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I spent five years at home with Monique basically, and

935
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: then when I went out on the road, I went

936
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: out all the road with Soul Motor, which was like

937
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: for three months. And it wasn't until two thousand that

938
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: Tesla got back together that I actually went back on

939
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: the road. But going back on the road in two thousands,

940
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, you're not talking, you're gone for six months

941
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: at a time, or you know, a two year tour

942
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: where you have a break every eight weeks. Now, in

943
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: Tesla tours, unless it's one of those big summer packages,

944
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: we'll go out for a month and we come home

945
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: for a month, and then we go out for a

946
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: month and we come home for a month. So he

947
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: wanted at me and gone six months out of the year,

948
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: but we're home every other month. And I think that's

949
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: been easier on on all of us because I've been

950
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: with Monique now twenty six years. And did you ever

951
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: want to have children yourself? No? No. That was part

952
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: of the problem with me and Sandy was she wanted

953
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: to and I didn't really want to. I thought I did,

954
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: but I really didn't want to. And Monique that doesn't

955
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: want children. I don't want children. I had to sector

956
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,479
Speaker 1: me at like thirty something years old because I didn't

957
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: want her to have to take birth control pills anymore.

958
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: And we have Jack Russell's there are children we have.

959
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: We have three of them. We've had had seven of

960
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: them total. What's the specific reason you don't want to

961
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: have kids. I mean I don't have kids either. I'm

962
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: just asking, well, I think you know a lot of reasons.

963
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been a good dad.

964
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have a dad, so I don't know how

965
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: to be a dad. Right. The other thing is unselfish.

966
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I want to go when I want to go. When

967
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: you have children, you can't do that, right, And that

968
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: was that was the thing about me and Monique. We

969
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: both wanted to, like if we wanted to pack up

970
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: and go to London, you couldn't just do that if

971
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: you had two or three kids. It's not that simple.

972
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: And there's the financial part of it as well. Kids.

973
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: You know, kids are expensive, cost a lot of money

974
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: to provide and take care of children. So those those

975
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: things were it. But really I just never I never

976
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: thought because I didn't have a dad and I came

977
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of from a dysfunctional family, not even kind of

978
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: was this action that I didn't want to, you know,

979
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 1: that was the one thing in therapy the doctor said,

980
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: you gotta break the chain, Like you know, your father

981
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: gives you his bad habits, you give your children and

982
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: just keeps going down the line. And I didn't want to.

983
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hand off whatever bad habits I

984
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: man had or whatever to a kid. Either. There's a

985
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of factors, but that not to make me it. Okay.

986
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: The other thing that you have a huge interest in

987
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: is Victorian homes. You first bought one downtown Sacramento. Why

988
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: don't you tell us about your interest and especially what

989
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: happened with the one in Sacramento with a fire, et cetera. Yeah, well,

990
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: I love architecture, you know. And when we were kids

991
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: starting out Tesla, when we're city kid, the place we

992
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: used to play was this place called the Oasis Ballroom.

993
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: It was in the oldest part of Sacramento, kind of

994
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: the historic district. There's all these cool Victorian homes. They're

995
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: from eighteen fifties eighteen sixties Sacramento. You know, it was

996
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: a gold mine town. It came after the gold Rush.

997
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: And I used to always say to Frank, one day,

998
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna own one of those Victorian mansions, man, And

999
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: he'd said, well, cool man. And one day I finally

1000
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: got to buy one. So I bought the one on

1001
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: on J Street in n three, and you know, I

1002
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: restored it and did all the things that you do

1003
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: in one of those houses. And in two thousand and ten,

1004
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: I had built a building and back because I had

1005
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: the it's a deep lot, it was, and this is

1006
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: like in the kind of Greenwich Village neighborhood of Sacramento,

1007
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: that kind of feel and those you know, those kind

1008
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: of big, deep lots, and I had built a recording

1009
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: studio back there. Well, I had a fire, and I

1010
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: actually have a fire. My neighbors had a fire and

1011
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: it you know, those houses only five ft apart, and

1012
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: it jumped from his house which was five next to

1013
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: my studio, went up the wall and caught my my

1014
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: roof on fire on the studio building, and it destroyed

1015
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: that building. And then the embers, because I had a

1016
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: wood shake roof on the old Victorian house, caught that

1017
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 1: roof on fire. But they were able to put that out.

1018
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: There was water damage in the house, but the studio

1019
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: was completely demolished, and uh then we just re rebuilt

1020
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: the studio, fixed that house. And I had that house

1021
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: until about two thousand and fifteen or sixteen, and then

1022
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: I was just I belonged to these groups on Facebook,

1023
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, like vinyl collectors groups or Victorian homeowners groups

1024
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: or bathrooms or whatever, and this picture came up with

1025
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: this really nice house in Texas. This is where I

1026
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: am now. It was a Victorian built in nineteen hundred.

1027
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: Mine was built in eighteen when Sacramento, and it said

1028
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And that was what

1029
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: I just gotta be a mistake, right, because you know

1030
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: Victorians can be very expensive, especially in San Francisco. They're

1031
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: really expensive. So I looked at it and just you know,

1032
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I was getting tired of California. You know, I lived

1033
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: there in my whole life. We really have a really

1034
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: bad homeless problem in Sacramento. I mean really bad. And

1035
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: it got to where people were, you know, shipping and

1036
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: piston on the side of my house, camping on the

1037
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: side of my house. And I am with this two

1038
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: million dollar Victorian mansion and nothing can be done about it.

1039
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: The city won't do nothing, you know, the mayor. I

1040
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: just got fed up and I just said, fuck it,

1041
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave. And this house was in Texas. This

1042
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: other house for almost as nice, needed a little bit

1043
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: of work, at least I thought it was almost as nice.

1044
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: And I'll get to that in a minute. Um. So

1045
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: I called money, because today would you but you can

1046
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: consider moving to to Texas. She said yeah, because she

1047
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: grew up there. I said, okay, So we we moved

1048
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: to Texas and we left the house in Sacramento. We

1049
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: rented it out and but we didn't realizes once we

1050
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: got to Texas, we got rattlesnakes in our backyard and

1051
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: it killed one of our dogs. Right, So that never

1052
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: really quite fit. So it was decided, then, well, we're

1053
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to leave Texas because Jack Russells and Texas

1054
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: don't go. So then it got to looking for another

1055
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: place somewhere in the country. And I was looking for

1056
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: a place that didn't have state income tax, but couldn't

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: find that I did like that in Texas. I gotta admit,

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: who wouldn't, right, Um. So I found a place in

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01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: upstate New York, in in the Finger Lakes area in Auburn,

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01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: New York, which was John Doulas's Senator John Doulass house

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: when he was a kid, where the family lived there.

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: And it was just really beautiful, beautiful Victorian mansion. And

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean my other houses were houses, you know, there

1064
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 1: were five six thousand feet. This thing is like ten

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01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: thousand feet. And I'm like what's wrong with this picture?

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: It was like five hundred grand, right, So I said, Monique,

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: I think I found the place. So when I called

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: the real estate, do you got rattlesnakes? There? No? No rattlesnakes. Okay,

1069
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: well do you have tornadoes? No? No tornados haill storms. No.

1070
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: So we wound up finally moving there about a year

1071
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: and a half ago and we love it up in

1072
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: up state New York. But you told me earlier before

1073
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: we turned on Mike's that you live the winter in Texas.

1074
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: We did so long. What happened was because I live

1075
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: in Texas and Texas is my main residence. I you know,

1076
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't have to pay state income tax? And are

1077
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: there rattlesnakes in the winter? No? Okay, let's go back,

1078
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: you know. So one of the stories that kind of

1079
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: amaze me, based on my personality is your original house

1080
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: was downtown and you would have these parties where all

1081
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: kinds of people came by. Were you weren't you worried

1082
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: they were going to trash the house and steal stuff? Man,

1083
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: I was high, you know at that time. That's pre Monique.

1084
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: Once Monique got there, she ran everyone off, like, hey, man,

1085
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: you ran off all my friends. She said, no, those

1086
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: who are your friends. Um, you know, I, I my nephew,

1087
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: my my sister. She's the second oldest. Her son is

1088
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: only four years younger than me. He lived with me,

1089
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: so he kind of kept an eye on everything. But

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: at the time I was, you know, I was at

1091
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: the height of of being high, and you know, I'll

1092
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: go to the club down the street, get get get

1093
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: some blow. You a wasted. Everyone will just come back

1094
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: to my house and stay there until six seven in

1095
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: the morning. It was insane, but you know, it just

1096
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: goes show. You live through it. You live through it.

1097
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: You mentioned how a recording studio. That's another big thing

1098
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: in the book, how you get invested in recording students.

1099
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: What's happening with that today and what can you tell

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: us about your rein running a recording studio. Well, I

1101
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: I have, I have, I still have a management company

1102
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: and a and a and a small label that you know,

1103
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: I have distribution and stuff, and I go out now

1104
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: and I try to find young bands to develop because

1105
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't think people are doing an R anymore really,

1106
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: not like when I came up what a R was.

1107
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: So I have a really nice recording studio. I'm a songwriter,

1108
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm a producer, I'm a mixing engineer and mixer. Um,

1109
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: I manage bands. So I've got this little company that

1110
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: I go look for young bands and try to mold

1111
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: them and help them get to the next level. And

1112
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of everything's under one roof. Generally speaking, that's a

1113
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: labor of love. It's hard to make money doing that.

1114
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: It's a labor of love where where you may mean,

1115
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: maybe we'll make some moneys if you pop one of

1116
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: these bands one day, and how much of your time

1117
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: is dedicated to that. When I'm not doing tesla, that's

1118
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, I'm either I mean, I mean they're

1119
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: painting because I do the thing with the painting and

1120
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: the photography, or I'm doing stuff, you know, with with

1121
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: the bands, or I'm doing tesla, or I'm doing nothing. Okay,

1122
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: do you still own a recording studio? Yeah? Yeah, I

1123
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: still it's a beautiful studio. Say to the art that's weird.

1124
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: That's in Sacramento. Okay, Now the band also rehearses in Sacramento.

1125
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: You'd not even bother to rehearse. Uh, we still record.

1126
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: We've made the last three albums in that well. The

1127
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: last five album has been made in my studio, but

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: two of them were before Burnt and then the other

1129
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: three were in the new facility. Um. I still have

1130
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,919
Speaker 1: a house in Sacramento I rented out as an Airbnb,

1131
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: and then when I go to town to work with

1132
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: bands or work with Tesla, I stay in that house

1133
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: and don't rent it out. Okay, that just because I'm interested.

1134
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to move is when as you

1135
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: get older. So do you have any friends in Texas

1136
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: or New York? Or is it generally with the internet

1137
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: your friends could be in where No, No, I have

1138
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: friends in Texas. I have two good buddies here in

1139
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Texas where I live, in the town I live in.

1140
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: I have two or three really good buddies in Auburn,

1141
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: New York. And then in Sacramento. Because I'm there, I'm

1142
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: there quite often as well. Now because I've been in

1143
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: this COVID, I've been going about every other week, every

1144
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: two weeks back and forth to work on projects. Have

1145
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: been producing some some records for for young bands. You

1146
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: also go into the breakup of Tesla. You know, from

1147
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: an outside observer, it would appear that the band's arc

1148
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: was going down and that would break up the band.

1149
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: But you say, you just made a new deal with

1150
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: Geffen and then all of a sudden the band imploded.

1151
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: Tell us about that. Well, that's the funny thing, you know.

1152
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: We we we had just made a new deal with

1153
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: Geffen and we put out Bust to Nut and it

1154
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: didn't reach platinum and only went gold. I think it

1155
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: was six hundred thousands. And uh, we were hearing rumors

1156
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: that Geffin was gonna drop us. You know, we're going

1157
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: How could you in my mind that we're all of us.

1158
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: I think we're just you know, this whole grunge thing came, right,

1159
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: we were having internal problems at the same time. Right,

1160
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: I won't say we weren't. We were. The grunge thing came.

1161
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: We weren't on the radio like we had been the

1162
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: previous five records or four records, um, and we were

1163
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: being labeled as as a hair band and and your

1164
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: your your your record company is you know, we're around

1165
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: the campfires as you're getting you're getting dropped. And even

1166
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: Cliffs said to me said, look, I'm sorry to tell you,

1167
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: I think it's over for you guys, And I could

1168
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: I meant I could not wrap my head around it.

1169
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: It just sucked my head up, you know, and I

1170
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: think it sucked everyone's head up. And then, you know,

1171
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: we lose the guitar player, right, this is the first

1172
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: time you've been asked to leave, because he'd been asked

1173
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: to leave twice or three times. I lose track. Jeff

1174
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: has an incident in Reno and falls falls apart, and

1175
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: it just next thing, you know, we broke up and

1176
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: what were your feelings then? I was I was probably

1177
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: piste off, you know, piste off. Obviously I wasn't in

1178
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: my right mind at that time. You know. I didn't

1179
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: do any drugs until the last part of that first

1180
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: part of Tessa's career. I would just drink alcohol, so

1181
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: I started experimenting with drugs towards the end before we

1182
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: broke up. I don't know, I guess deflated, you know,

1183
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: really's is how you how you could put it? He went,

1184
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, wow, how can you go from you know?

1185
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: In two years? It was literally, of course, to two

1186
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: years because Busting Nut came out and what fo Yeah,

1187
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: Psychotic Supper was and we toured for two years on that.

1188
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 1: We came off that tour thinking this next record was

1189
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: going to be the record that was gonna be like

1190
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: the Black album you know from Metallica. That's okay, we're plois,

1191
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: this is this is it, you know, and uh it didn't.

1192
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: It should have been called Busting Up instead of busting nut. Okay,

1193
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: for five years the band is on hyatta hiatus. What

1194
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: are you doing for money? Or did you have enough

1195
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: money that you made? No, I started mortgage in my house.

1196
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: You know. Um, there was still you know, I was

1197
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: still it was some publishing, but there, you know, there

1198
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't T shirt money. There was no live gate money,

1199
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: which that that was the bolt and the record money

1200
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: because we had done a new deal with Geff and

1201
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: they had given us quite a large advance. So we

1202
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:22,440
Speaker 1: did have some money, but not not enough. Probably the

1203
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: last five years we thought we were rich, but you

1204
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 1: know we weren't. So um. You know, you just hustled, man,

1205
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: You're out there hustling, you know, producing bands, demos whatever. Luckily,

1206
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: my expenses weren't that high at the time, you know.

1207
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean Jeff, poor Jeff, he got a job as

1208
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: a DJ and a strip club when we were off

1209
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: for five years. Um, Frank, I think he was doing landscaping.

1210
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: Troy was roofing, and I was, you know, live off

1211
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: the equity in my house. Wow. Okay, So when you

1212
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: go on the road a hundred days with Tesla, these

1213
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: these days when it's not COVID, do you enjoy it

1214
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: or you're earning a living? No, I still enjoy it.

1215
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: I still enjoy it. And you know, Code is kind

1216
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: of a blessing in the sense that I think it

1217
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: we needed a little bit of a break because we've

1218
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: been going twenty years straight since we got back together,

1219
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: and we may have been getting a little bit tired,

1220
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: but it still was you know. Look, one thing I'll

1221
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: say about the band is we never phone it in

1222
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: that hour and forty minutes on stage. That's that's the

1223
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: real deal. It might be a pain in the ass

1224
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 1: the other twenty hours, you know, said, here's someplace just

1225
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: going on. You know, what the funk are we doing? Here?

1226
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 1: Was parking lot? You know. But the playing is always

1227
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: the thing that kept us together. But I think the

1228
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: good thing is when we do get to go back

1229
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: and play again now that this COVID thing, it would

1230
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: be like a shot in the arm again because we

1231
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: realized again it it took the breakup to make us

1232
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: realize how much we really did cherish it and how

1233
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 1: we fucked it up. And with COVID, it's just another

1234
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: thing going. Look, we really do miss playing with each

1235
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: other and doing this. I mean, we're okay for for money,

1236
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: a lot better financial situation than we were in in

1237
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: n You know, you ever think of giving up and

1238
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: going straight? What do you mean leaving the entertainment, leaving

1239
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: the circus behind? Well? Would I do? Okay? That that's

1240
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, seriously, you know, Bob, the only

1241
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: job I ever had was I was the manager of McDonald's.

1242
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: So I mean really, it's like you know in yeah,

1243
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean it crossed my mind, but only for a second,

1244
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, what am I gonna do?

1245
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: So I did what I the only thing I knew

1246
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: how to do was I started another band and I

1247
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: got signed by Sanctuary, you know, Tom Lipsky signed me

1248
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: to another record deal, and I was trying to put

1249
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: that together and it was we were starting to make

1250
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: some headway. And then you know this guy in Sacramento,

1251
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: Pat Martin, that's the DJ the have been there for

1252
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: many many years, was at dinner at my house when

1253
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: Knight said, if the other guys would agree to playing

1254
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: for one night, would you do it? And they went, yeah,

1255
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: as long as Tommy skille Is is in the band,

1256
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: I want the original five just gonna be for one night. Yeah,

1257
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: And then that turned into us being back together for

1258
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: twenty years. But honestly, if you asked me today, I

1259
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: don't know what I do. If I stopped today, what

1260
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: would I do? I can't go to a work for

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Speaker 1: a record company, you know what I mean? There's there's

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: no I mean, does that even exist? Really not for

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: people who are over the age of thirty five? But

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: can you eat? Can you still eat a filet of

1265
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: fish or quarter pounder? Are you burned out forever? No?

1266
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: I can't eat that ship man. I like to diet

1267
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: coke though. That's the only thing I can eat, Okay?

1268
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: And to what degree today? Are you clean? Drugs? Alcohol? Oh?

1269
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: I haven't done any drugs and fourteen fifteen years alcohol.

1270
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: If I go to my house in Italy, I may

1271
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: have a glass of wine because those people love to

1272
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: and I love Italy. I think I talked about that

1273
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: in the book too. I have a house in Italy

1274
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: and I really loved going there. I might have a

1275
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: glass of wine. And I'm usually there twice a year,

1276
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 1: once in the summer for a month and once at Christmas.

1277
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: So usually around Christmas as a festive period, I might

1278
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: have a glass of wine, nice burnello, you know. But

1279
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: but that's it. I it just kicks my ass. That's

1280
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: why I stopped. Really, it wasn't that, you know, I felt, Oh,

1281
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm a funk up. It was just a minute, just

1282
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: the hangovers got So what happens the other ten months

1283
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: with your house in Italy when you're not there. My brother,

1284
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: my oldest brother, who was like my father buddy, Um,

1285
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: he stays there about six months out of the year.

1286
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: He goes there for three months and then comes back

1287
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: and then goes for three months. He so he gets

1288
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: to really enjoy it and it just sits. You want

1289
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: to go, let me know, give me the keys man. Wow,

1290
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: that's quite an invite. But people would say, you're living

1291
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,919
Speaker 1: on the street and you can't really see anybody's bank account.

1292
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: You've got four houses. You're doing Okay, I'm not. I'm

1293
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: not saying I'm broke. All I'm saying is that that

1294
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: Tesla Earnest living from playing, playing and going back to

1295
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: your other question that you asked earlier. Do I feel

1296
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: it's better now without all the big record companies and stuff.

1297
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: There there's your answer. I'm doing better to day and

1298
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: the second half of my career financially than I did

1299
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: in the first step. Okay, let's talk about rock. Hip

1300
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: Hop has a huge place in the market today. What's

1301
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: the status in future of rock? Man? I don't know,

1302
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: you know, I just try to do the best work

1303
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: I can do, you know, and Tesla whatever we're we're doing.

1304
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: We try to make the best record we can. But

1305
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like there's many platforms for it.

1306
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's not an MTV anymore. There's fewer and

1307
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: fewer fewer rock radio stations. And I still think that

1308
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: radio is the biggest mover of music, especially rock music.

1309
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:50,480
Speaker 1: You know, Um you have these these spotifying and iTunes

1310
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: that you know, artists get nothing for putting their music

1311
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: up there people and people now are being conditioned that

1312
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to buy music. So I don't know

1313
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: what the future of rock is. It made me really

1314
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: happy when I've seen Paul McCartney had a number one

1315
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: record at seventy eight years old. The other month. That

1316
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Um, but I mean, really, I don't know.

1317
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: You you probably could answer because you're it's it's not

1318
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: optimistic that that would take an hour for me to explain,

1319
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: you know as well documented. You know, I'm a huge

1320
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: Tesla fan. I think a lot of people would like

1321
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: I think we have to go back to the roots

1322
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: of what blues based. You know, all the English musicians

1323
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: to talk about Jimmy Page, etcetera, were influenced by Robert

1324
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: Johnson and all the other Delta blues people. We've gotten

1325
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: so far from that. If you listen to the active

1326
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: rock radio channels that still exist, there's not much melody.

1327
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of the basics that form the loan.

1328
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: You know. That's funny you bring that up, because you're right,

1329
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: it's more it's more hip hop based. You know else,

1330
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: it's you know it, it's more it's moving more into

1331
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: a thrash direction, and inherently that is a marginalized place.

1332
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not judging it, but it's not gonna appeal to everybody.

1333
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: A couple of vinyl questions. Do you press vinyl to

1334
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: sell on the road? Now? Absolutely always how much you

1335
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: charge and how much? How many will you sell a

1336
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: gig um? Well, I don't know what they're charging because

1337
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: our merch deals through Live Nation, so we're kind of

1338
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,919
Speaker 1: at their mercy, you know. Once I signed up uh

1339
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: on those Live Nation tours and we you know, kind

1340
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: of went that way before we were doing it ourselves,

1341
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: and and you know I was, I was, you know

1342
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: Jim Cuomo no oh okay, he used to run Ricco

1343
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: distribution and and stuff. So when Tessa started our own

1344
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: label and oh six and we were we were doing

1345
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: stuff with Jim Komo and Rico. I mean we would

1346
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: sell maybe a hundred a night at twenty bucks apiece,

1347
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: and you know, we were more in charge of what

1348
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: the pricing was back then. Our last couple of records

1349
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: have been on Universal with Andrew Dawes, so we're being

1350
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of part of that model. But now we're free again.

1351
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: We're free agents again. So I think that once we

1352
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: start playing again, we're allowed to get back and play.

1353
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: I know Frank wants to get together and do another album.

1354
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: We'll explore, you know a bunch of stuff, but always

1355
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: doing vinyl. Yeah, okay, of your collection, what are the

1356
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: two best sounding vinyl records? I'm not talking about the

1357
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: quality of the music you just put sound. I have

1358
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: an original pressing a Revolver, first pressing it sounds a

1359
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: min and I have a first pressing a Rubber Soul

1360
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. Probably those two. But then when you

1361
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: listen to you know, Abbey Road, I think, you know,

1362
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to top that, but I think Revolver, to me,

1363
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 1: is is the one for for me, just you know.

1364
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: And then you got Pete Floyd and you know, and

1365
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: there's so many sonically great records, you know, Alan Parsons,

1366
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: Le Zeppelin. I mean, there's just some e L. I've

1367
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: been into e L a lot lately, and you know,

1368
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: you just listen to some of those records and this

1369
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: space that he, Jeff Lynn was able to create with

1370
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: all them instruments, you know, but of course he got

1371
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: it from the Beatles and George Martin, jeff Emery. I

1372
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: came friends with jeff Emery before he died, and that

1373
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: was really cool. Well, I used to hang with him

1374
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: a few times. We were in uh Rio inighteen and

1375
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: Jack Douglas used to put together these dinners before he passed.

1376
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know the funny thing about jeff you

1377
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: never know is you know, hanging with famous people. One

1378
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: of the rules is you're talking about Jimmy, you don't

1379
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: play fan and you don't ask him about that stuff.

1380
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: But I was told that Jeff likes to talk about

1381
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: the Beatles. He would go on about it. It was

1382
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: just great. One of the one of the coolest things

1383
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: was how I met him was he was holding this

1384
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: camp at a recording studio where you got to spend

1385
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: three days with them and talk about and because I'm

1386
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: an engineer and stuff, I wanted to pick his brain. Well,

1387
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: we hit it off immediately because he knew who I was,

1388
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: and I knew people that he knew. And the coolest

1389
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: thing was sitting with him one night and he said, Brian,

1390
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: let me tell you something about all those Beatle records.

1391
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: He said, they were all meant to be heard in mono.

1392
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: He said, the band was never even there for the

1393
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: stereo mixes. He said, with the exception of Abby wrote,

1394
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: every one of those records was meant to be in mono.

1395
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: And he played me the mono version of Sergeant Pepper.

1396
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting with him and we're going through the

1397
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: whole thing, and we're air drama and air guitar and

1398
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 1: and every single measure of that album is a hook.

1399
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: Every measure is a hook. If it's a high hat part,

1400
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: it's a hook, you know. I mean, it was just

1401
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: it was one of my all time rock and roll experiences. Okay, Brian,

1402
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: this has been fantastic. I could see why you have

1403
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: a million friends. You're obviously a great guy, you know,

1404
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: great talking. I could talk to you for days. So

1405
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: there's certainly plenty in the book we haven't covered. Uh,

1406
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: certainly like you, I can't wait for Live Vieuse to

1407
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: come back. Thanks so much for doing the podcast, Thanks

1408
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: for having me, and thanks for always you know, saying

1409
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: kind things about my band. I've watched and the Wings

1410
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: through and and Voyered, and I really appreciate that well.

1411
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: As I say, you know, we're doing this and I'm not.

1412
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a huge Tesla fan. You know the

1413
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 1: way I used to put the way it is lazy

1414
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: days and crazy night love songs. You know, once you

1415
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: got a CD player, you could program it punching those

1416
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: tracks and put it on at infinitem and just play

1417
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 1: it forever. And of course you know the acoustic record

1418
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: were could go on. But for the sake of our audience.

1419
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: Once again, Brian, thanks so much for doing this. Bob,

1420
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: thanks for having me pleasure. Until next time. This is

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01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Bob left sense