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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to it Could Happen Here podcast about

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Speaker 2: things falling apart and people putting them back together. I

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Speaker 2: am back after after a lengthy court battle, have been

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Speaker 2: allowed to return to the podcast, which I'm very grateful for.

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Speaker 2: And I'm joined today by John and Haval, two friends

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Speaker 2: a lot more than I do. And we're going to

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Speaker 2: explain some developments that have happened, give you all an

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Speaker 2: update on the situation here and let you know how

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Speaker 2: you could help. So welcome to the show, both of you.

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Speaker 3: Hello, thank you going to be back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back. If you'd like to just introduce yourself,

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Speaker 2: like your name, like whatever role you play out here, pronouns,

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Speaker 2: and any affiliation with any organization you feel is relevant.

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Speaker 4: So my name is John. I'm someone that lives in

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Speaker 4: the area. This situation just kind of showed up in

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Speaker 4: my backyard. I was kind of forced into it rather

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Speaker 4: than volunteer into it, and I've been dealing with it

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Speaker 4: NonStop since the beginning. Yeah, I'm one of the main

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Speaker 4: sets of booths on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Have all I used them pronouns and I organized with

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Speaker 3: direct Action Drumline and Zene Distro doing a lot of

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Speaker 3: mutual aid, which is how I got involved in all this,

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Speaker 3: and also with Alocholato helping out on the ground since

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Speaker 3: the beginning with John, pretty much just a little after

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Speaker 3: John started.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's what nearly six months, so if

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Speaker 2: you're not counting me, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah. It started in May and then it stopped

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Speaker 4: during the summertime. It picked up again in September, and

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Speaker 4: we've been dealing with it NonStop since then.

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Speaker 2: People will have heard briefly from John's father Sam in

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Speaker 2: in our May episodes about title forty two, which we did. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it seems like forever ago. It also doesn't seem like

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Speaker 2: very long ago. It's just one big, weird collapsing of time.

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Speaker 2: So last time we spent last time with HAVAL, we

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Speaker 2: servicing with food, water, warm blankets, were building shelters, and

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Speaker 2: we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one of

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Speaker 2: you guys want to explain how things have changed since then,

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Speaker 2: and really particularly in the last six weeks.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's changed quite radically. Actually, So between the

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Speaker 4: months of September and December, we were servicing these three

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Speaker 4: It was pretty straightforward. Our routine would consist of stopping

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Speaker 4: providing them with all of the different things that the

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Speaker 4: US government was not and I kind of wish things

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Speaker 4: were simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at

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Speaker 4: the end of the month of December, Secretary Blinken made

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Speaker 4: a visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured

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Speaker 4: the Mexican government to police our border for US. One

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Speaker 4: of the immediate changes that we saw as a result

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Speaker 4: camps in our area, and that has basically stopped any

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Speaker 4: people coming through those areas. This has not made any

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Speaker 4: We have to drive quite a bit further towards San

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Speaker 4: Whereas those three ones that we were originally servicing had

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Speaker 3: They still do.

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Speaker 2: Still there exactly, Yeah, moving at the speed of government.

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Speaker 4: The new ones don't have that, and people are having

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Speaker 3: Lot of documents ripped up around there, the Mill Hill signs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all these signs, and so we were able

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Speaker 4: Well, we have an acquaintance that's been very helpful towards

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Speaker 2: And from there, it's like you said, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: I guess people should realize that we didn't find out

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Speaker 3: We actually did one another volunteer, Brendan and I were

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Speaker 3: So we stopped and we're talking to one of the

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Speaker 3: He didn't name it, didn't say where it was, he

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Speaker 3: So it's you know, we kind of pulled it out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to find him myself. And what

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Speaker 4: More, right we think, we know for a fact there are.

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Speaker 2: We know that there are more. And like I think

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty miserable right with the wet weather we've been having.

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Speaker 4: This is a pretty unknown part of southern California. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's if you're out there all night and

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Speaker 2: a really miserable situation. So, like, it's important that these

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Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So going forward, like we've seen like this movement of

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Speaker 2: factors haven't changed, right, So people are still coming here.

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Speaker 2: They still have things to get away from that lead

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Speaker 4: So like what does that mean, Well, it's takes a

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Speaker 4: For one, the main one sliders is up a very

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think they call it sliders because it's so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I put someone's head into the roof of my trucks.

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Speaker 2: That's so long ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And uh, you know, we're not the only ones

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if every single one has been on

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Speaker 4: Permission has never sought.

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Speaker 2: obviously it does have an impact on a landscape as well.

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Speaker 2: People understand to be a coal so they're cutting down

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Speaker 4: So that's the Yeah, that's that's kind of a bargaining

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Speaker 3: And the first time we went out there, they had

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Speaker 2: And it must tear up your hands as well, lost

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Speaker 2: how it is like organizing in a rural community, and

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Speaker 2: the way that obviously you have people of very disparate

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, first of all, I'm a Quaker, come from

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Speaker 4: I think people often make the mistake of considering this

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Speaker 3: The same with and the Iatola escaping, all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wouldn't be such an quote unquote invasion

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Speaker 3: gotten infected.

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00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: Yah.

438
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

439
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 4: But just to go back on the mutual aid question

440
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 4: that you had earlier, it hasn't all been negative. It's

441
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: actually been a really great experience in which I've met

442
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 4: really great people from all kinds of walks of life

443
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 4: who have just joined together because they see a problem

444
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: and know that they're the only they're the only ones

445
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: that can make a difference, and it is a sure

446
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 4: easy way to be really important and make a difference

447
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 4: in other people's lives. We don't really need to have

448
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 4: much more than a good heart and a willingness to work.

449
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I think we should talk about that more

450
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: because not that some of us had some like prior

451
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 2: life experience right working with refugees or migration, But I

452
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: think most of us just were people who were like, Yeah,

453
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: this isn't right, and I am able to help, and

454
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: so I'm going to help. So can you talk about

455
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: like how people can help? And then, like you said,

456
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 2: I think I've actually got a lot out of this

457
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: and that I feel more affirmed in my belief that

458
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: like we can look out after each other without the

459
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: need to control each other, and like we don't necessarily

460
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: need people with guns and badges to create a society

461
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: that cares for people who need taken care of. And

462
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: so perhaps you could describe like how people can help,

463
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: and then what it is that you've got out of

464
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: this that keeps you wanting to do this.

465
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: Well, First of all, yeah, we don't have a clear

466
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 4: structure of authoritative structure over here. We take ideas as

467
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 4: a collective. Different people have contributed different things. There's a

468
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: woman that really nailed down the PB and J making

469
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 4: system and we've all just been following her lead. There.

470
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 4: Some people came up with the idea of having a

471
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: cell phone charging station that was you, and it's just

472
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 4: the list goes on and if you wanted to help,

473
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: you could just come by to the border, come to

474
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: one of these sites and just start distributing food or

475
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: teaming up with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe.

476
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the good fund me?

477
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: John, So let's go fund me that was set up

478
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 4: by by my dad. I don't actually know what it's Cumba.

479
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: Migrant Aid, So go fund me. Ha, Cumba Migrant Aid.

480
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: It comes up.

481
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: Samuel Schultz I think is Samuel Schultz.

482
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: So you'll know because it has like fifty thousand dollars

483
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: on it and like maybe seven woods as a discription

484
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: GOOGLEMA because not much else is going down here, I guess.

485
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, people can help that way, and we've had

486
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: people come who listen. We had two people this morning

487
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: right who'd heard about it on the podcast and come

488
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: and helped. Yeah, and made a really really great difference.

489
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they camped out at the Sliders and really held

490
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: it down, which is really important. I mean for some

491
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: of us, we you know, like John and I, we

492
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 3: kind of do like a morning shift where we get

493
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: up really early and make sure to do everything that

494
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: we need to do, prepping sandwiches, checking on all the camps.

495
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: But a lot of people come in in the middle

496
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: of the night. Sliders had people come in what at

497
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: midnight or one am?

498
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all throughout. A group came at midnight, a

499
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 4: group came at like one am, and then there were

500
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 4: also more that came at four am.

501
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like having someone on site camping, you know,

502
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: making sure that people's needs are met and that if

503
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 3: any emergencies take place, that they're taken care of, and

504
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: it's just that smiling face when they get here. It

505
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 3: makes a huge difference. Like that dude from Brazil, like

506
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: earlier he was saying to me, he was like, thank

507
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 3: you so much, Like this is like this is humanity

508
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: right here, Like I'm a human and I'm like, yes,

509
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: we will treat you like yumans here.

510
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: Like at the end of the day, you know, these

511
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 4: people coming through Central America and Mexico, they go through

512
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: so much, you know, extortion, people, ripping them off, just

513
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: feeling unwelcome throughout that whole voyage. Just having a group

514
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 4: of people welcome them into the country and treat them

515
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 4: with dignity is worth more than any bottle of water

516
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: sandwich that we can give them. And you know, that's

517
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: that's the main thing that we're doing. I would say, I.

518
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: Want to emphasize that people can help in so many

519
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: ways that you can send us stuff, you can send

520
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: us money, or you can just show up. If you

521
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: just have a weekend, that's totally fine, or a day,

522
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: it's totally fine, or if you just want to come

523
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: and make sandwiches, that's totally fine.

524
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 4: Like it.

525
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: We're a very diverse group of people, and some people

526
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: have had more time than others. But yeah, everyone I

527
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: think is valued, and like you said, I think like

528
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: we're the way that we organize without anyone, like we

529
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: organized horizontally, has allowed us to be so much better.

530
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: Like could you remember the day there was a day

531
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: when we ran out of plates and we were we

532
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: were like down in Willow and it was just.

533
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: It was like chaos.

534
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: And then someone who just arrived that day was like, oh,

535
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: what if we put the beans in a sandwich bag

536
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: and give people that was actually Peter, who's back now

537
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: after going on Rumptinger for a while. But yeah, like

538
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: if we had been like, no, I'm in charge, We've

539
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: been doing this for longer, then those people wouldn't have

540
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: got fed, right, But because we were like willing to listen,

541
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: then the people got fed, And like we were all

542
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: happier because the people got fed, right, Like, it worked

543
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: better that way, So like as things change, because it

544
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: like it border patrol have said explicitly that they're trying

545
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: to push people west, right, what do you think, like,

546
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: what do we need going forward? What do you see

547
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: like the situation being and like it it would be

548
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: good to explain the context of like the changing seasons

549
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: here as well.

550
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: Yes, so I think what we're going to see more

551
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: of is people that are crossing in unorthodox areas, more

552
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: people that are hopping the fence, more people that are

553
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 4: cutting holes in the walls, just popping up all over

554
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: the place. So yeah, it would be great to have

555
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: eyes along the border, people that are willing to travel

556
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 4: up and down along the border to find out where

557
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: these people are coming through, because for the most part.

558
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: We don't know a lot. Oftentimes where these people are

559
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: coming through. There are a couple of new oads open

560
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: air detention sites that are relatively close to us that

561
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 4: we can't find even.

562
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like maybe if we had a super fancy

563
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: drone we could find them, or just boots on the ground, a.

564
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: Nice off road vehicle.

565
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, then these are all things that cost

566
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: money that we don't have. But like we've all put

567
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: lots of miles on our trucks and lots of miles

568
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: on our boots to trying to help out.

569
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: My exhaust is falling off all these bumps.

570
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, my transfer case to competing. But like, yeah, if

571
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: we had more people, some of us could focus on

572
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: feeding people here because there was how many people were

573
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: there when we just left, now, one hundred and twenty

574
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: something like that.

575
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, actually probably more if you count the

576
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 4: new group. I think you know what a conservative estimate

577
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: would have been maybe one hundred and forty.

578
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's we'd made one hundred and forty sandwiches

579
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: to feed them today, and we'd chopped firewood and taken

580
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: that out, and we'd be given all that out right.

581
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: That was after the same thing at breakfast time that

582
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: doesn't need much time to go meander along the border

583
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: and look for another site. So if we have more people,

584
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: we could do that and that would be really valuable.

585
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: Also, if you have connection to firewood, yeah yeah, yeah,

586
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: if you're a person who can bring us a lot

587
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: of firewood. We have one homie right now and he's

588
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: breaking his back wood for us. So yeah, that's a

589
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: definite big need out here.

590
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

591
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: Is there other stuff like that that people who maybe

592
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: aren't here but have connections to or they could they

593
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: could send that's particularly needed.

594
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: A nice off road vehicle I got one lying around.

595
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: Firewood is definitely a big thing. That's that's a huge need. Yeah.

596
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Really cold up here, and especially in like sliders too.

597
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: I think it's higher in elevation.

598
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: So exposed to there's nothing between you and the wind. Yeah,

599
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: I think it's very cold out there.

600
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. But and and just other things that are that

601
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: are easier for us to get, but we just constantly need,

602
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: such as breads, blankets, bread.

603
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, tents, all these things. Right. The wind

604
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and the sun destroys everything that we've stokepiled after a while,

605
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: and we have to keep reinventing the wheel. And then

606
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: sometimes border patrol destroys our stuff as well, or sometimes

607
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: some chubs come and destroy our stuff, which which.

608
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh the chuds destroying our stuff.

609
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should talk about the destruction of the shelters

610
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: before we finish, I guess, just to end on a

611
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: sad note. Well was happy because we built them again

612
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: and the fine. So there were some shelters I think

613
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: mostly they were ones that had been built. Well, they

614
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: were ones that have been built volunteers and John, you

615
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: saw what happened to the shelters, right.

616
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we built some shelters at one of the sites,

617
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: at one of the main sites. You know, it was

618
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: very simple, just by having a plywood as the frame

619
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: holding it up and then nailing down some tarps on

620
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: it with batons. It was. It was a nice thing.

621
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: It stood up to the heavy winds that we have

622
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: here very well.

623
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: It's incomparably better to not having a shelter.

624
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's a it's a completely different.

625
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: They're instantly use once people cross, and it's awesome to

626
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: see like adults that are alone, we'll get out and

627
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: force family shelters like yeah, you get it first for sure.

628
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, we built those. It was working out good.

629
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: Then one day the Border Patrol showed up or a

630
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: company that was subcontracted by them, and demolished them all

631
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 4: using skiploaders and bulldozers and such. We showed up the

632
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: following day we rebuilt all the shelters and we're really

633
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: happy about it.

634
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: You know.

635
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 4: It was kind of a big fuck you to them.

636
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: You can tear down our stuff, but we'll just come

637
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: back and build more.

638
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

639
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: But then what was it like a three four days

640
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: later or the next.

641
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Day maybe i'm not the next day, two days it

642
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: was close.

643
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, some guys just showed up and they tore it

644
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: all up with hammers.

645
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: They are finishing a tiny little finishing.

646
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Luckily they didn't really come equipped like maybe with the.

647
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: With the tools.

648
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: They didn't really know what they were doing.

649
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that. But still

650
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: it's it's annoying when you've put the time into building it, right,

651
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: and Border Patrol didn't destroy our contractors didn't destroy the shelters. First,

652
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: we were like, oh, maybe they're not using this, but

653
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: there are one hundred and forty people there right now,

654
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: like in the shelters that got rebuilt for a third time,

655
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: so like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating,

656
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like

657
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high,

658
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff,

659
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: we have to like we're always running uphill because like

660
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: stuff just gets destroyed either by the weather or by

661
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge, Like

662
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: we could, I guess desperately need your help. And like

663
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: at some point the news cycle will move on from

664
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: the border, and that doesn't mean that we will be

665
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: able to move on from having people to help here, right,

666
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: because like don't said, there were people and people always

667
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything else

668
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: that you guys think that people should know about the situation?

669
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Here?

670
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: We wrap up.

671
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: It's kind of chill.

672
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: It is really nice, Like I like being here. I

673
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: come here because it makes me happy, and my friends

674
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: are here.

675
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like the slider's location is located in a

676
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: really awesome like you can see down just past the

677
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: border wall. There's like a nice little train track that

678
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: used to go from us into Mexico, I guess. And

679
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: just beyond that there's like sheep on a farm in

680
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: the distance, like rolling hills, the clouds come through, and

681
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: like say, it's a really beautiful place to be and

682
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: to hang out. And a lot of the locals that

683
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: don't hate what we're doing are very nice. The people

684
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: at the hotel are very supportive.

685
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, we're a great group, really good people. It's

686
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: always really fun to do anything like this. People are

687
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 4: generally enamored by our project and want to be involved

688
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: and come back a second time. I mean we're kind

689
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: of like cowboys. I mean, we're doing this all on

690
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: our own. We're driving up and down, looking at the sites,

691
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: looking around, and that whole responsibility is on our shoulders.

692
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels good to take responsibility.

693
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: It definitely does.

694
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: We're doing this.

695
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: It's like no one else will, so yeah, just do it.

696
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Like that's fine. It's very like it reminds me of

697
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: the punk scene growing up, but like it's a big

698
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: important thing. Get Like you said, every national news network

699
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: has been down here, every drifting streamer has been down here.

700
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: But the end of the day, it's a few dozen

701
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: random people who are actually the ones making sure that

702
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: people don't die here. For all the government attention and

703
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: for all the millions, they don't have spend it, it's just.

704
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: Us, Yeah, working on a fraction of the butt. I mean,

705
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: it costs them more to fly a helicopter for a

706
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: few hours than we've.

707
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: Ever spent in our entire GOFUNDB. Yeah, and yet like

708
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: we get it done. We're very efficient, I guess in

709
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: that sense. But yeah, we would love more people. People

710
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: have come because I listen to podcasts, and that also,

711
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: like just for me personally means the world to me.

712
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: Like most of the time we just talk into a

713
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: microphone and then you can't really see who you're talking

714
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: to unless unless you go on like social media, and

715
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like

716
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: it really means the world to me that someone like

717
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: listens to this when they're driving to work or you know,

718
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: going on a jog or whatever they're doing, and it's like, no,

719
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I will I will go and I will help, because

720
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: I think that is how we solve so many of

721
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: our problems. Like there is a massive problem with people

722
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: not being able to afford rent living on the street

723
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: in this country, and we solve it in the same

724
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: way by just showing up for each other.

725
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: And there's also different ways to get plugged in, like

726
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: if the desert's not your thing, it doesn't. I mean,

727
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: this is like where the process as starts as far

728
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: as like the spectrum of the whole border crisis or

729
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: not crisis, but the whole border humanitarian situation we have

730
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: going on here. So this is what we're doing out here.

731
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: But there's also airport runs. A lot of them get

732
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: ditched in the airports, so I think we all we

733
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 3: got SD and maybe M Death and at last center

734
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: kind of hold down. They do airport runs border patrol

735
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: just I guess at night they don't drop them off

736
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: like after ten or something. They don't drop them off

737
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: at the IRIS station. They'll just drop them straight off

738
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: at the airport. So they need help being fed. A

739
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: lot of them don't have plane tickets. They need to

740
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: kind of some you know, people need blankets because they

741
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: have to sleep there. So well, I mean, we all

742
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: we got is great for that you can plug in

743
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: with them, and I think Alo Torolado and who else

744
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: is it M Deaf as well, that's doing the Irish

745
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: street releases. So when the Border Patrol just releases them

746
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: on the street. Like a lot of people just get

747
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: in a cab and go. They have the resources, they

748
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 3: can do that, they're already planned. But some people don't

749
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: have any money, or they got robbed on the way here,

750
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: so they have nothing. They need a lot of help.

751
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: They need to figure out where to go, they need

752
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: a place to stay. So there's the street releases, there's

753
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: the airport, there's I think that's kind of.

754
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: Or or by just helping with shelters and organizations in

755
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: whatever city you happen to be living in. You know,

756
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: the majority of the Migroan well not the majority, but

757
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 4: a very typical answer migrants give me when I asked

758
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: them where in the United States they're going to? Is

759
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: New York City or Chicago or any of these major cities.

760
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lincoln, Nebraska the other day. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna

761
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: be Idaho.

762
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: Have fun. Yeah, it was beautiful.

763
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: There was a guy Havel and I met, from a

764
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: minority ethnic group in Russia. We met in September. I

765
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: remember one of those first really cold nights and I

766
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: was talking to this person and they were in Pennsylvania

767
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: and I checked in with him a few weeks ago

768
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: and they're like happily living in Pennsylvania. Can't understand a

769
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: word anyone else is saying. It's nice to see and yeah,

770
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: you can help those people in whatever community you're in.

771
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: And like, if you're further along border, there's Paha Samaritans,

772
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: there's no mass worth days, there's humane Borders, two Song

773
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: Samaritans as well, right, yeah, all along the border, you know,

774
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: there are the there are lots of good people in Texas, right,

775
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: there's a sidewalk school and Blainoso Matamoros, the people at

776
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: the National Butterfly Center who are very nice people who

777
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: we've heard from before. Like all along the border, and

778
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: like all around this country, there there are things you

779
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: can do to help. And I want to reinforce it.

780
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: It's not like this penurious thing we do that's miserable

781
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: and we all get together and cry every night. Like

782
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: we do have a nice time, even though we have

783
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: seen some really stressful things. Like we all look after

784
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: one another and hold space when people do need help

785
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: or extra time to process something. But it's a very

786
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: supportive community and we support each other through lots of

787
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: other things, like aside from this, and I think a

788
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: lot of people in general in the twenty first century

789
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: America struggle with isolation. And that's a thing that that

790
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: capitalism does to people, right, it isolates us from each other.

791
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: And so hopefully, like I think this is a solution

792
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: for me. This this has been a really positive thing,

793
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: but like generally my sense of hope.

794
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, and like what we're doing this kind of

795
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: does it's disaster humanitarian relief effort. It's kind of with

796
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: the way the climate is going in the world in climate, uh,

797
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: climate are going to.

798
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: Get less common.

799
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this will just be getting more common. And like

800
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: this kind of like preparing and building community and like

801
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: this disaster scenario is going to yeah, definitely be more

802
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: in commons.

803
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: And it's not that easy to do. I mean, it's

804
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: not that hard to do. You know, you just got

805
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: to have the intention and then you just got to

806
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: get together and do it. That's all. That's all you

807
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: really need to do.

808
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: Don't think that it's like this. If someone had said

809
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: to us, what plus or minus fifty thousand people probably

810
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: have come through. I have no idea on the numbers, but.

811
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: Somewhere around there, yeah, probably more than that.

812
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we like I remember in May when we

813
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: cleaned up the first o ads, when we were like

814
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: when I first met your mum and dad, John, we

815
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: were cleaning up the first o ads and were wow,

816
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: that was a horrible thing that happened. That was really fucked.

817
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: If someone had said, right, well, between now and next March,

818
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: fifty thousand people will come through here and it's mostly

819
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: going to be you guys who are here picking up trash,

820
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: and that's that's what it's going to be.

821
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: Like, it's on you.

822
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: It would have been it would have seemed overwhelming, right,

823
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: But I don't think people should feel afraid to confront

824
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: these big problems because like between the group of people

825
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: who we've assembled here, we've been able to confront this

826
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: problem and make it survivable and treat people with dignity

827
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: and bring some dignity and humanity into a situation where

828
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: there wasn't any right.

829
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, and there's a role for everybody. No matter

830
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: what you do, you can find your niche of what

831
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: you know, you makes you feel good, or something that

832
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: you're good at, you know. Yeah, it's finding the little

833
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: fascists that destroyed our things online and doing all that

834
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: online footwork, or it's building shelters, or it's making PB

835
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: and J's.

836
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: Or our friends made our website, they made a really

837
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: good website.

838
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: Website, yeah, or even yeah, just being someone that speaks

839
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: multiple langs whiges is a huge need out here, especially

840
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I mean Spanish is pretty common, but the harder languages,

841
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: like I mean Mandarin.

842
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

843
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you speak Mandarin and then you reach out

844
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: to us and we can call you, then that will

845
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: be huge, right. That really in a medical emergency, that

846
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: could be a life or death thing. So there were

847
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: there were a ton of ways to help and re

848
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: encourage people to got to go to the can Where

849
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: can people follow along with YouTube? Do you have like

850
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: social media or anything that you want to plug?

851
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: I don't.

852
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep mine priding the world such beautiful. Yeah.

853
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: One of the how I got involved in this is

854
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: through members of a drum line that I am part of,

855
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: So we show up for protests, have been since twenty

856
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: twenty Direct Action drum Line on Instagram. We post a

857
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: lot of different stuff from organizing for Palestine to you know,

858
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: we were doing a lot of Black Lives Matter stuff

859
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: early in twenty twenty and now it's you know, kind

860
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: of cross mixed with border aids since I've been out here,

861
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: so we occasionally will make posts so you can follow

862
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: along there. Alo Gelato is a good one to follow

863
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: on social media inco Paul Wellness on Instagram Borderlands Relief Collective.

864
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of the people listening already follow

865
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: a lot, yeah, of these people, but yeah, there's a

866
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: network through all of that. And so once you start

867
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: following one or the other, we all tag each other

868
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: and reshare each other's stuff, so you can get involved

869
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: that way and figure out what's going on. Yeah, and

870
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: the is it bored? What's the website for? That's a

871
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: great resource.

872
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Borderay, don't get helped io. I think if you give

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Speaker 2: it a Google somewhere or somewhere around that you'll find it.

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Speaker 2: It is a good website. And like, if you are

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Speaker 2: facing similar issues in your community, wherever you are, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is, Like, we've definitely made a lot of mistakes

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Speaker 2: and we've learned a lot, and so we've tried to

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Speaker 2: document the things that we've learned so that you guys

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Speaker 2: don't have to reinvent the wheels somewhere else, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can be an efficient PB and Jmker.

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Speaker 3: Just like us, learn Surely's technique.

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Speaker 2: All right. Thank you so much, guys. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 3: Aquets, Thank you, Jess.

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