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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, of course,

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Speaker 1: joined by Joe, and once again we have a creepy

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Speaker 1: which you will also see in some places referred to

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Speaker 1: for going slash slash just right. So there's no there's

427
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: no um, what do they kind thing? No, No, that

428
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: the part of the medal goes through the handle. Oh, Yeah,

429
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: that that long shaft, the tail, the tang, Yeah, that

430
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: bit that. Yeah, it didn't have a long when that

431
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: apparently ran through, or maybe it did and it was

432
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: just hard to hold on too. I don't know, but

433
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: it's everywhere says the knife was broken. That'll make that

434
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: will be important here in just a minute. The yeah,

435
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: and and some some knives, the cheaper ones, you know,

436
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: the tang kind of tapers and it's just the handle

437
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: is just basically glued on. I've also seen somewhere the

438
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: tang is like an inch or two long and in there,

439
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: and I think that might actually be more likely what

440
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: we find in this situation. Yeah, so apparently killer found

441
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: that the knife was not nearly as strong as he

442
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: thought it was. He bought a budget knife. Okay, So

443
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: whichever version happens with with the deaths of Ray and

444
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Mikio happened at this point Yasco and Nina are upstairs

445
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: and our killer makes his way up to them. Now,

446
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: the layout of their house. H We've have talked about

447
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: this little bit already, but it's a little confusing. And

448
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: by the way, if you need to go on the internet,

449
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: because there's reconstructions of their home and there's photos taken

450
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: of the home. It's a scale model that is disassembled.

451
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: I'll warn you now though, that the jerk that took

452
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: the models didn't think about the fact that they were

453
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: rotating the pieces of hundred eighty degrees back and forth

454
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: of the model. Yeah. Yeah, so you you have to

455
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: stop and stare and figure out where one piece actually connects.

456
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: But it'll it'll help make this make a lot more sense.

457
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: So he finds Jasco and Nina and he tries to

458
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: attack them, but of course, lo and behold, he's got

459
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: that broken knife, so he needs to go get a replacement.

460
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: So he goes to the kitchen and he found them

461
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: third floor. It's believed that they were in the third floor.

462
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: And to get to the third floor, it's up the ladder,

463
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: up the ladder from the second floor landing where Mikio

464
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: and our killer have their struggle, right, So he he

465
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: like comes up the ladder and he's like, dang it, right,

466
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, okay, so he goes back down the

467
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: ladder and it goes downstairs and goes down the stairs again,

468
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and would would at least the daughter, right, and Nina

469
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: had kind of like slashed at her. Well, we don't

470
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: know how. It's so both women were caught extensively and badly,

471
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: so we don't know exactly which wounds were the initial ones,

472
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: at least in the reading. But what Joe is getting

473
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: out here is that Nina was caught and Yasco and

474
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: Nina went and grabbed a first aid kit care that

475
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: came down the ladder to the second floor. They must

476
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: have come downtair the ladder to go to the bathroom

477
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: to get that, and I think they went back up

478
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: the ladder because it's easier to barricade or keep a

479
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: bad guy from quote unquote breaking in when it comes

480
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: up the lad before you pull the ladder up. It

481
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: was a ladder was built in. But this is one

482
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: of the things about this story that I've always found

483
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: kind of head scratching. It's like, you know, they the

484
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: mad slashers in your home. He's just left you long

485
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: enough to go get another weapon, and what do you do, quick, quick, quick,

486
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: at the first aid kit, get some bad aids what

487
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I would be doing. But the thing is is that,

488
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe they tried to get the phones

489
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: and and call out for help, but it would be

490
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: found later that the phone lines were unplugged, so they

491
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: couldn't actually have called for help, and they may have

492
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: in their panics to be like, oh my god, oh

493
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: my god, the phone's not working. Go hide quick, go hide,

494
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: go hide, And by the time they maybe would have realized,

495
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: oh wait, let's bang on the walls to get our

496
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: family next door to figure it out. Maybe you pick

497
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: up something heavy that clock the killer over the head

498
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: with you know what comes up, dragged the bed across.

499
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a whole bunch of things that

500
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: a us. After the facts seteen years on, we're gonna like,

501
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: see that would have been easy. And here's what I'll

502
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: say also about the first aid kid, is that since

503
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: we don't know which of the injuries were inflicted, it

504
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: is possible right that maybe he like slashed the jugular

505
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was one of those situations where like

506
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: a mother of a child had to say, like, wow, right,

507
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: it's not like you have a little cut on, let's

508
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: put a band aid on it. It might have been

509
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: like you were going to bleed out if I don't

510
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: get some kind of pressure with some kind of pack

511
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: on this. So let's go here, like and you consider

512
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: the end results that they would have been better off

513
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: looking for weapons. But that's but Devin. Devin's got a

514
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: good point, because here's the thing. The details of exactly

515
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: what went down at this point were so sketchy. All

516
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: we know is that the women were killed with a

517
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: knife that was procured in their own home. They were

518
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: stabbed repeatedly and excessive blee. Now there's that whole uh well,

519
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: the two women, I don't know of the two who

520
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: received the staffs everybody in the family who got stabbed

521
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the most one of the two, I don't know which

522
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: of the two women. The husband did not get nearly

523
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: as many wounds as the two women did, as Nina

524
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: and Yasco did. So it appears to be that, you know,

525
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: there's that whole well, they angered him, and maybe they did.

526
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be that they were at the

527
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: base of the ladder and you know, Jasco is trying

528
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: to give first aid, at which point our lovely jerk

529
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: face comes back up the stairs with his new knife

530
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: and takes it for a test drive. Well, and he was.

531
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: He didn't come out unscathed eeter either, right, So it's

532
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: certainly possible that they inflicted some of the wounds on him,

533
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: and so he was like, oh my god, you dumb

534
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: whatever bleeps right, I cannot believe that you have the audacity,

535
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: especially if he's like he or she. I mean, again,

536
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: we don't know if it could have been a woman,

537
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: but I'm going to continue with that. Yeah, I agree,

538
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: But you know, it's possible that we've seen instances like

539
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: this before, right where it's like the man who's attacking

540
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: these women is like okay, but like I have I

541
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: have so much power over you, Like what how dare

542
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you offend me? In other cultures that exists even more

543
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: and I know, having been close to Japanese culture for

544
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: a while for reasons I will not explain here. Um,

545
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: that's true, that like that is, that's a big thing.

546
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: That subserviance of women to men is a big thing.

547
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: And for women to fight back, even young girls to

548
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: fight back, even if it's to save their lives, that

549
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: could have been a huge I don't like offense. It

550
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: could have been, but also maybe not. Yeah, so yeah,

551
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: we don't know. What we do know is that at

552
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: the base of the first floor stairs is Mikio's body.

553
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: At the top of that flight of stairs is the

554
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: bodies of both Yasco and Nina. Uh so that's where

555
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: that's where their bodies are. Of course, Ray is still

556
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: in the bunk bed where he was smuggler. Yes, we

557
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: know with pretty good certainty that the family died around

558
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: eleven thirty at night. There's a couple of things that

559
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: pinned that down for us. One would be the contents

560
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: of their stomachs. The other would be that the family

561
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: that lived on the other side of the house, on

562
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: the other side of that shared wall, heard at least

563
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: one or two banging noises. And then later on we're

564
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: able to the sisters and brother in law and mother

565
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: of Jasco, and they were able to pin down the

566
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: time based on a TV show that they were Oh

567
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it was during whatever whatever. But what did they think? Well,

568
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: they don't know, but you know what I mean, We've

569
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: all lived in apartments where there was suddenly a bang

570
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: and like, what the hell was that? Realistically, every time,

571
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: I like, I haven't really cared about the people who

572
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: were loving next. I frankly, I've definitely been a number

573
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: of apartments where I thought, Wow, that didn't sound good,

574
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: but am I gonna go check it out now? I

575
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: don't care about that person but I have no think

576
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I've ever been in a situation where I've heard of

577
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: sound like that, where I thought it might be somebody

578
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: I cared about, where I was like, I remember, it's

579
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: a home with two young children, and children can be

580
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: rambunctious and things you have dropped and round. So it's

581
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: it's very hard again, seventeen years on, it's easy to

582
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: cast that Yeah, yeah, maybe yeah, maybe they were a

583
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: noisy bunch. Maybe they made that kind of noise all

584
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: the time. They might have Well let's let's so, so

585
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: this is, this is what happens in the murder. Now

586
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: there's more going on here, and yeah, and Devin loves

587
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: this part because I had to resort to not only bullets,

588
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: but sub bullets for all of the stuff that we're

589
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I did, but that's because I copied it off of

590
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: the inter So our bad guy during the struggle, Devon

591
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: alluded to this a little bit earlier, was hurt during

592
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the attack. We believe that's during the attack of Yasco

593
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: and Nina accidentally slashed himself. He kind of hand in

594
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: some way and bandaged himself with the bandages that were

595
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: found in the home. He would then eventually go on

596
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: and uh, it's always funny to me. Um, they call

597
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: him what do they call him when they see it?

598
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: It's the feminine hygiene pads. I mean it's it's it's pads.

599
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: He's using pads to try and staunch the bleeding. Now,

600
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: you would think that this guy, having caught himself at

601
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: this point, he's probably just gonna do a quick look

602
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: around the house and try and grab some stuff and

603
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: get the hell out. And if that's what you think,

604
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get really freaked out, because that is not

605
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: what he did in any way, shape or flour. Yeah,

606
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: when I'm murder people, this is what I like to

607
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: do to like to hang out. I mean, that's a warm,

608
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: nice spot with talking to them, talk to the corpses. Yeah, alright,

609
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: so here's here's what goes on. So, yeah, our killer

610
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: did look for money. He did. It's possible. It's it's

611
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: listed as possibly stole a hundred and fifty thousand yen,

612
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: which is at the time, well it's about twelve American

613
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: dollars a lot. It's it's money, but it's not a

614
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: huge sum of money. But then he didn't leave. He

615
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: lingered in the home hinter kai going he pulled the

616
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: hinter Kai efect and stayed for somewhere between ten to

617
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: eleven hours. What did he do while he was there,

618
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: because it's all the things I would have done, okay,

619
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: well some of them, some of them because I'm a lady,

620
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: so I don't. Okay. So he ate some melon out

621
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: of the fridge. Do you want to get it? Before

622
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: I went bad? He made some tea and drank it.

623
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: A herbal team, as we said before, tried to bandage

624
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: the wound on his hand first from the first aid

625
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: kit and then used feminine pads or sanitary napkins. They

626
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: are made to inscore blood. They are men soka blood

627
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: makes total sense. By the way he left those, those

628
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: bandages and the sanitary napkins in the home. He didn't care,

629
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: just left him around. He ate several ice cream cups.

630
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: They're They're referred to as popsicles in some places and

631
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: ice cream cups in other places. But he ate four

632
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: of those and left the rappers to those four in

633
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: two different trash cans in the hall. At one o'clock

634
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: in the morning, he went onto the family computer and

635
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: he browsed the Chiky Theater's company's website. Tried to buy

636
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: tickets for an upcoming show. By the way, you mean

637
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: what a play? Yeah, it was a play, And so

638
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: he didn't enter credit card information. Well no, see that's

639
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: the thing is the link for that theater company's website

640
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: was already on the browser, so he basically pulled up

641
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: a saved link and then tried to buy the ticket.

642
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: I did not enter any payment information, so it was

643
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: not successful. I kind of feel like maybe he thought

644
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: it was saved in the browser, wouldn't be in Chrome. Yeah, Like,

645
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like, don't do this ever. But if you

646
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: guys ever were to get to my computer, my Chrome

647
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: has all of my credit card information, so you just

648
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: have to type in the first four digits. So you

649
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: have to know the first four digits of my card information.

650
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: But yep, that's it, first four that's what my bank

651
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: issued the card to me. Yeah, but I mean, I

652
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: have it saved because I don't like to remember how

653
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I don't think in two um oh,

654
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: and by the way, so going to the theater website,

655
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: that browsing session lasted for a total of five minutes.

656
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: In eighteen seconds. In the process of using the mouse,

657
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: our killer would leave behind at least one, if not

658
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: too bloody fingerprints, so readable fingerprints, not smudgy things. At

659
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: some point later in the morning, the killer would get

660
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: back on the computer again we don't I don't have

661
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: a timestamp for this, uh, and then would go to

662
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: the site of both Mikio's employer and then raise school

663
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: that browsing session would last only four minutes in sixteen seconds,

664
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: so not very long. And then after that the killer

665
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: would unplug the computer from the wall, and I got

666
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: the impression that not only did he pull the cord

667
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: from the wall, he pulled the cord out of the

668
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: back of the machine as well, which I heard of

669
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: one place at least said he actually took the card

670
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: with because I don't know it was there, it was there.

671
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: That was a translation issue, because I know the post

672
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and then there's updates saying, oh, yeah, no,

673
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: it was totally there. It's just like there's talk about

674
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: the fact that because it's the New Year, the family

675
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: had what we would equate to Christmas or New Year's

676
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: cards in their home, and some sites will say and

677
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: those cards were taken by the killer. Now they were

678
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: actually taken by the police to confirm do you actually

679
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: know these people? When did you? You know, it's kind

680
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: of part of the investigative process that it was returned

681
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: to the evidence of the home, so that that's one

682
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: of those little, uh, little bits of misdirection that's unfortunately

683
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: from translation. Frankly, that like browsing the the school and

684
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: the workplace, to me a little bit feels like that

685
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: person trying to figure out if they can delay any

686
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: alarms going up, trying to see if like I don't know,

687
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: but like to do that investigation of like, well, can

688
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: I call the school and say, oh, my kid is six,

689
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: so they're not coming in, and can I call this

690
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: person's employer and saying, oh, hey, I am so and

691
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: so and I'm I'm sick to extend the time that

692
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: people would not realize that they were exactly and because

693
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: they stayed for a long time, whoever it was that

694
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: wasn't they stayed pretty much until we'll talk about this,

695
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: it seems until they realized I'm busted, and so I

696
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: wonder if there was a bit of that sort of Okay, well,

697
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, this person had a job and this kid

698
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: was going to school because the other kid wasn't old

699
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: enough to be in school yet, right, thing, I thought

700
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: six was the oldest one. No, it was eight. Nina

701
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: was eight, the girls eight. Ray was six. Okay, well,

702
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: and I think Ray had started school because like there's

703
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: a whole bunch to talk about the fact that Ray

704
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: had a bit of a speech impediment, so they were

705
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: he was getting help with that, so he was definitely

706
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: he was in. Maybe those were just the two first ones. Then,

707
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean a little bit. It feels

708
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: like somebody trying to figure out, can I find the

709
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: boss at the company, Can I find the teacher or

710
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: whoever I'm supposed to call the school? Can I figure

711
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: out can I figure out how to extend my stay

712
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: here longer? Or maybe? But also maybe it's just like

713
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: extra creepy. Yeah, was bored, and just you know, I

714
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: didn't want to actually do any web searches because those

715
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 1: might be a little incriminating. Actually web searches at those

716
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: times we're pretty clunky. Remember this is still two thousand.

717
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do web searches. Yeah, very true,

718
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: So clicking I saved lengths might be the easiest. Yeah,

719
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was just gonna say. It's also totally possible.

720
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: Those were just the same links right then. That was

721
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: like most recent browsing history. That like the father had

722
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: been like, oh yeah, I'm gonna check out my son's school,

723
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, well, um in Japan, and he's the thirtieth

724
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: obviously it's thirty first next day as New Year's Eve,

725
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: and you most people have New Year's Eve off in schools?

726
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Is it off? But yeah, it's a it's a holiday.

727
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: As far as I could tell, it was a holiday.

728
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: The whole thing was a holiday time. It wasn't as

729
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: if they were supposed to be at school the next day.

730
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I think Devin might have hit

731
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: the nail on the head in the beginning, and that

732
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Mikio may have been expected to work from home on

733
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: the holiday, but not necessarily go into the office, not

734
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: explicitly expected, but that stated that he should be working.

735
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: But he should be working. Thing, I have a job

736
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: like that too. Okay, what else did he do? Well?

737
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: He ransacked their house. He went through he found family

738
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: documents like bank statements and credit cards and driver's license

739
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: and other things like that. He cut up some of

740
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: the documents and by the way, there was no evidence

741
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: that they find any evidence that anything was missing, any

742
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: of the documents taken, not explicitly. No, nobody has said,

743
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: oh the blah blah blah was gone. But it does

744
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: appear that he cut up some of this documentation because

745
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: that in the card, the credit cards and stuff like that.

746
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: They're all found in the bathtub, which is weird. Sam's

747
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: water by the way, there's no water. It's not like

748
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: there's fingerprints all over there. Yeah, so there's fingerprints and

749
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: probably d n A because he was bleeding all over

750
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: all this stuff just sitting in the bathtub, of which

751
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: is freaking weird. Let's see what else. Oh well, just

752
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, understandably, so all of this exertion, it takes

753
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: its toll on our killer and he decides to take

754
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: a nice nap on the family's couch for a while.

755
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Was that because they could tell because he was bleeding.

756
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that it's it had to be part of it.

757
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that the couch may have been in a

758
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: bit of a disarray. I'm not positive how they figured

759
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that out. It Yeah, eventually nature would call uh and

760
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: our killer would decide that it was time to take

761
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: a poop, and he would not bother to flush the poop.

762
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's funny to me. He left the

763
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: pooper emoji? Did he leave love toilet paper in there too?

764
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't The toilet paper quantity usage is not explicitly stated,

765
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: so we do not know if he's a four or

766
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: an eight sheet kind of guy. I know, but so well,

767
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're a guy, you know, you know

768
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: occasionally go into public restrooms and some guy will have

769
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: come before before you and left the big Please tell

770
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: me you're not going to get too explicit here, but

771
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: some guy will drop a deucee and just leave it

772
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: right because he's so proud of the mad pooper. Yeah.

773
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: What's always amazing to me is there no toilet paper?

774
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: They eat the dude with no toilet paper because they,

775
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, a mudd. I don't know what. I don't

776
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: know if they if they stand up and sort of

777
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: waddle over the next doll real carefully and they clean

778
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: up the mess there. But you know what I'm talking about, right,

779
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: you see it? Right? Sad to say, that's what I've

780
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: always wondered about. It's like, dude, where's the toilet paper?

781
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: But yes, that's why I'm asking this question. So we're

782
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: not only did he also maybe he leaves some clothes

783
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: or some fake please yeah, ok, some of those stuff. Yeah,

784
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: he God, there's still more stuff that he leaves behind,

785
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: other than at some point in the evening, our killer

786
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: decides that it is shot, time for a change of wardrobe,

787
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: so he changes his clothes. Because what we know this

788
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: because there's a set of clothes left behind in the home.

789
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: So they mean they miss presume he took some of

790
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: the father's close Well, we don't know if he took

791
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: some Amikio's clothes or if he brought a change of

792
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: clothes with him for his killer sleepover. Again. Yeah, like

793
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to telefy. Yeah, so that did

794
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: anybody know? Did they do an inventory of the clothes

795
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: that were in the house. There's nothing definitively took dad's

796
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: pants and sweatshirt. Realistically, even like Boof, who like sees

797
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: my clothes every dang day, the entire world probably wouldn't know. Yeah,

798
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even probably know. Actually maybe it depends on

799
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: what it was. But there's some of my clothes where

800
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: I I would just like wouldn't even know. I think

801
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: that maybe they've just been disintegrated or something. So here's

802
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: sub bullet time. We're going to go through the list,

803
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: a partial list of the clothes that were left behind.

804
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: There's there's more to it, but it becomes just at

805
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: nausea at some point here. So they're a pair of

806
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: sneakers which were Slaszinger brand. They were sized in Korean.

807
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: So remember when you buy shoes, they typically have a

808
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: primary country sizing on them, whether it be US or

809
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: European or whatever. These ones were in Korean. Okay. A

810
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: dark green hip bag was found. It's kind of like

811
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: a Fannie pack, but apparently they call it a cooler

812
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: bag than a Fannie pack, which I don't didn't know

813
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: that was possible. Your hip not your Fannie. Take that

814
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: as you will, U K listeners. Okay, A black handkerchief

815
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: was found, a hat was left behind, a scarf, a

816
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: down jacket, and a pair of winter gloves. It was December,

817
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: so that all makes sense. Yeah, yeah, And and there's

818
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: a lot that's been put into not only all of

819
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: those actions that we just talked about, but also the

820
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: clothing that was left behind and what the meaning of

821
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: all of that was. And and we'll get into some

822
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: of that actually we get into it in theories from one. Yeah,

823
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: but we need to finish our timeline here because we

824
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: still haven't finished this story, believe it or not. So

825
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: at some point in the morning, our killer decides that

826
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: it's time to leave the home, and so he takes off.

827
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly when. What we do know is

828
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: that Dijazco's mother tries to call she can't get through

829
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: the phone is literally just not working, which is weird.

830
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: She then goes over to the house herself. We don't

831
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: know if when she got there she if the door

832
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: was locked or not. This is a weird thing to

833
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: us as Westerners, but in Japan, apparently it's not totally

834
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: uncommon for people just to not bother to lock their doors,

835
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: because it really is kind of that's safe of a

836
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: country most of the time. So either the door was

837
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: locked and she went back to her home and got

838
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: the key and came back over, or the door was

839
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: unlocked and so she just went right on in. But

840
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: she goes in the house, she finds Mikio's body on

841
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: the first floor. She then goes up the stairs and

842
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: she finds both Yasco and Nina's bodies on the landing

843
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: at the top of the stairs. Um it appears that

844
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ladder, right, Yeah, yeah, toss

845
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: of the stairs and bottom letters damning the same thing. Yeah, absolutely, Um,

846
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: she was not one of those people who screamed and

847
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: ran away and said. She was one of those people

848
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: who jumped in the middle and tried to see for

849
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: is her daughter and granddaughter alive? Um, So she ended up,

850
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, having a lot of blood on her as well.

851
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: But they do, they call the cops, The police come

852
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: and they investigate the crime. By the way, I know

853
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: that we talked about this offline, Joe, is that in

854
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: the beginning I had said, was it Tanner? Eleven hours?

855
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Is how long our killer stayed? We don't exactly know.

856
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: And and this guy could have if the door was locked,

857
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: he could have heard yas because mother trying the knob

858
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: and you know, did an os moment and said, I

859
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: got to get out of here to back way. Well,

860
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: and he might have gone out the second story window again,

861
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: which is weird. Or he might have just bolted out

862
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: of the front door, you know, and chanced it, or

863
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: he might have left just minutes before over. Yeah. Well, frankly,

864
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: given that we don't know how thin those walls were.

865
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I would assume they were thick enough that

866
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: there was they couldn't hear like streaming or whatever. But

867
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: if you're just a single dude kind of like puts

868
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: ent around the house and you hear a conversation happening

869
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: through the wall where you hear somebody go, oh, that's weird.

870
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: They're not answering. Okay, I'm gonna go next door to see.

871
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you can hear. It's possible, like having lived

872
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: in places that have shared walls, you can sometimes hear

873
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: those things. It's also possible that he just heard I'm

874
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: gonna go, I'm gonna go next door and see what's

875
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: he sounds of life. He realized people were getting up

876
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: next door, and I was I was going to say,

877
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: the other exterior door for the other part of the

878
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: dwelling open and closed, and we're like, oh, hell, just

879
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: like Joe saying people are up and about. But he

880
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: hears it because it's the front door slam and that

881
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: startles him out of his new you know, comfy little nests.

882
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Also not impossible that the killer was in the house

883
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: when the mom was in the house. That's highly highly doubtful. No,

884
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: it's not impossible. I mean it's doubtful, but it couldn't impossible.

885
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: But I highly doubt it. It's possible, like that third floor, right,

886
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: it's unlikely that the family went up to the third

887
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: floor because all the family was dead on the second floor.

888
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: So it's possible. Okay, it's unlikely, granted, but it's possible

889
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: that that person was like, oh crap, that door is opening,

890
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I can't get out the back anymore for whatever reason,

891
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go up here so hidden, you know,

892
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: around a corner, and she went by and went up

893
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: the stairs and he slipped out. Yeah. I mean there's

894
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. There's a million ways, and this

895
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: is a James Bond movie in the making. I do suspect.

896
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I think I think the door must have been locked, though,

897
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: because if assuming a killer has any common sense at all,

898
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: he's gonna lock the door, if he's gonna hang out

899
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: there and taking nap would hell yeah, you don't. Yeah, Yeah,

900
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: There's there's a whole bunch of ways. But it could

901
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: have happened. Okay. So the police come to the home

902
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: and they investigate, and as I said before, they recovered

903
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of evidence. Unfortunately, none of

904
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: them led them to any firm suspects, and to this

905
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: day the case is unsolved. This is one of the

906
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: things that I find as an outside oddity about this story.

907
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: There's always outside oddities with the stories I find for

908
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: some reason, and I don't search this out. But on

909
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: the after the investigation was done and the investigators left,

910
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: they posted a police guard in front of the door

911
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: of the house. Seventeen years later, there there is still

912
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: a Japanese police officer standing in the entry way of

913
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: this home. They have cordoned off the exterior of the

914
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: home with that tall blue netting so that nobody can

915
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: break in from the backside. All the other homes that

916
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: were right next to it, because like I said, there

917
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: was four of them in a row. Those other three

918
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: homes are gone. This home is still there, and I

919
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: find it so weird that after all this time, it's

920
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: still there, like they as a crime scene. I would

921
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: agree with that, I would Why the hell else, why

922
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: do you want to build your park keep it around

923
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: for all that time? It must dave. It must be

924
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: because it's a crime scene. And in the case maybe

925
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: they signature yeah, yeah, it's an active crime scene technically, right,

926
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they have not solved this murder, and yes,

927
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: they've collected DNA and fingerprint evidence from this place. But

928
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know the Japanese system well enough to know

929
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: if it would behoove them to keep that crime scene

930
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: uncontaminated for as long as they possibly can. It says

931
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the park, they can, right.

932
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: It's not as though somebody's like, oh, I got to

933
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: move into that apartment tomorrow. Yeah, exactly, it's it's a

934
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: safe crime scene to just keep. Well, it's ironic that,

935
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean one of the motives, one of

936
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: the ones has been proposed, is that somebody wanted them

937
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: out of there because they wanted to develop that point

938
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: and it would be isn't that ironic? Yeah, it's like, oh,

939
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a crime scene now, it's not going to get demo.

940
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: Probably maybe shouldn't have murdered. That's not the first time

941
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: we've come across that as a theory. That would it

942
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the backfire motive. We've seen that before and I can't

943
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: remember what case, but at least one other we've seen that.

944
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: We've only done two hundred and twenty of them. Now,

945
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: it could have been it could have been the opposite, though,

946
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the opposite of the people who wanted to develop a

947
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: new park. It could have been somebody who wanted for

948
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: whatever reason, just pure spite. Maybe it's despite the people

949
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: who really, really really had a huge thing for having

950
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: a park there, to the point where they demoed the

951
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: entire neighborhood but a couple of houses. And if you

952
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: have that must spite in you to go murder the

953
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: entire family, turning the house into a crime scene, therefore

954
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: stopping the house from being removed, and sticking a finger

955
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: in the eye of whoever you don't like that wanted

956
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: it there to be a park there. You know what?

957
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: That sounds like a theory? It does it? Does? You know?

958
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm getting ahead of it. I was

959
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to run out of wind,

960
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: and you have amazing lungs, so I couldn't do it.

961
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: All right, that is all of our story, So it

962
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: is totally totally Finally, after this whole poor thing, finally

963
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: time to get into theories. But before we do that,

964
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. Hey, gang, this episode of

965
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is brought to you by Universal Pictures, which

966
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: has a new movie coming out called The Snowman, which

967
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: has theaters on a The movie is based on the

968
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: book by Joe Nasbo and it's about a psycho killer

969
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: who murders his victims during the first snowfall of every winter.

970
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Who The Snowman stars Michael foss Bender, who you might

971
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: remember from Alien Covenant, where he played a robot. Actually

972
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: played two robots, but he has is His role in

973
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: this one is Detective Harry Hole. When Harry investigates a

974
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: disappearance on the first snow of winter, he begins to

975
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: suspect a connection to a string of old cold cases.

976
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: He realizes that he has only until the next snowfall

977
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: to catch the killer. In other words, just sounds like

978
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: it's right down our alley. Murder mayhemm and history. Snow

979
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: Man is about a cat and mass game between a

980
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: killer and a detective. I haven't seen it yet, but

981
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: I have seen the trailers. It looks actually pretty good.

982
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: It opens again October, and I don't know about you,

983
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: what I do plan to see it, so maybe I'll

984
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: see you there and you will get extra points if

985
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: you wear your Frosty the Snowman suit. The Snowman again

986
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: in theaters October and We're back. The first theory is

987
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of it's really unsatisfying because the first theory is

988
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: that this was just a random killer, and it's a

989
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: random killing some m So the way this theory goes

990
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: is that this creep a zoid picked this family out

991
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: to brutally murder for no other reason than he saw them,

992
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: and he decided to start stalking them and then eventually

993
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: would commit the crime. There is a little bit of

994
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: back history that potentially supports this. Part of that is

995
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: that Yasco apparently said to her father in law on

996
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: the twenty December that for several days in a row

997
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: somebody had been parked in front of their house. And

998
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: that's weird because in this park area there's a lot

999
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: of parking, so there's no real reason to park in

1000
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: front of their house. So people say, well, obviously that

1001
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: was the killer parking and staking them out in scoping

1002
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: the place out. It could have also been somebody who

1003
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: just decided that was where they like to park their car,

1004
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: but it is weird. On the December, someone was reported

1005
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: to have been seen wandering around this home and the

1006
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: other homes near it, I will say, well, that guy

1007
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: was described as being in his four season. By the way,

1008
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: the ages on people who are described in the theory

1009
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: set and both this one, all of our theories they

1010
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: bounced between twenty and forty, just so you're warned and

1011
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: don't get thrown off by that. But this particular person

1012
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: was described as walking around the house, being a forty

1013
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 1: year old man, so wandering around the side of the house,

1014
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: not the inside. Correct. Correct. And I will tell you

1015
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: that I find this rather innocent because of the fact

1016
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: that a it's a public park space at this point,

1017
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: and to be it is entirely possible that it's somebody

1018
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: who's involved with the conversion process from residential homes to

1019
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: park space assessing the space and oh what's going here?

1020
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: What's that? I mean, it could be people just looking

1021
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: at it. So a guy wandering around, just isn't that

1022
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: out of the organ or somebody lost? Yeah, very true.

1023
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: The closest road. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's not to think

1024
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: about it. This is evidence in any one of the theories,

1025
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: or kind of is. But I'm throwing it all on

1026
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: the random killer because well it's just random information. So

1027
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: that worked weird. The day before the killings, a man

1028
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: is said to have been seen wearing the same outfit

1029
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: as the one that was seen in the home. This

1030
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: guy is supposedly spotted at Sajoe cagu in My station,

1031
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: which is about a mile or so away from the home.

1032
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: I believe that's the southern station. There's more than one

1033
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: train station about a mile or so away from the house.

1034
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: Talking about train station, yes, so this that is the

1035
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: train station. There's one south and one north. But reportedly

1036
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: people noticed this guy and remembered his outfit because it

1037
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: wasn't appropriate for the weather and the bag was so unique,

1038
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: So that's why people figured it out, were just misremembering

1039
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: possibly or that was like a popular fashion at the time,

1040
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: the sort of kind of for a certain ilk, which

1041
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: we will discuss soon. Oh by the way, also on

1042
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: this particular day, someone had purchased sashimi knife in the

1043
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: area around the station. They did find record of a

1044
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: sale of sashimi knife, so well, so we don't know

1045
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't the family, that's true. Are they Are they popular? Yes?

1046
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: In Japan? Not not too surprising. Then let's see what

1047
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: else is there. There's also reporting that someone presumably someone

1048
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: walking in the park By the way, this is at night,

1049
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: on the night of the murders. Saw another person heading

1050
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: quickly down the path in the direction of the family's house.

1051
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I think that's a bit of a

1052
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: red herring. I think that's an easy I stitched this

1053
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: on because the Mayasawa's were killed, and that's just kind

1054
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: of probably a junk state. Yeah. Similarly, like I see

1055
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: people walking around Joe's house all the time and I

1056
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: never see them again. But I don't say that that's

1057
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: because Joe killed them. Did you I don't remember, Okay, blackouts,

1058
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, did it. Yeah, So that's the random

1059
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: killer theory, which I don't know. It's bad, I think,

1060
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: But frankly, none of these I was about to say,

1061
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, all of these theories have giant, gaping holes

1062
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: in them. Yeah. The random killer one kind of does

1063
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: fit the least. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's got a

1064
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: big enough hole somebody could skate right through it. There.

1065
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about there be said, there are things about

1066
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: this murder that suggests that whoever it was, it did it.

1067
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: Whatever the motive, they had a motive, it wasn't just randomness.

1068
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a minute. Yeah, So let's

1069
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: let's talk about theory number two, which is the skater

1070
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: punk theory. So if you remember we talked about the

1071
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: fact that the house is low catered in a park,

1072
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: and when you do the reading, you will see people

1073
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: talk about the fact or you will see it in

1074
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: the reporting that there is a skate park right adjacent

1075
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,479
Speaker 1: to the home. Well, that's the thing is that people

1076
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: always say it was right behind her, right next to

1077
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: the house, which is not actually true because there's the

1078
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: driveway that intersects the main road, which is about a

1079
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: hundred feet or hundred twenty feet maybe a hundred meters

1080
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: away from the house, and then the skate park is

1081
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: on the other side of the street. And by the way,

1082
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: this is the famous looking skate parket. They're definitely not

1083
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: featured in Tony Hawk Pro Skater Team. No, because there's

1084
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: there's a couple of concrete berms that go up, two

1085
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: of them, one, you know, up and down, up and down.

1086
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: Then there's a small half pipe and an even smaller

1087
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: quarter pipe, and then a big plasa space. It's very plain,

1088
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: it's very benign. It's there's nothing that says to me,

1089
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: skater die, Like nothing like that in that space. Yeah, okay,

1090
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: But people make a lot out of it because of

1091
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: the fact that a few days before the killing, Mikio

1092
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: was seen. He's apparently, according to different theories, he was

1093
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: seen arguing with different people, but Mikio was seen arguing

1094
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: with a skater. Surprise, nobody ever fights with skater teenagers. Ever.

1095
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: They are the most agreeable bunch of all of the humans. Actually,

1096
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: I kind of get the feeling that these Japanese skaters

1097
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: probably are a very tame and nice bunch. It doesn't

1098
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: seem like they're actual skater punks. But but even skater punks, like,

1099
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: they're not going to go break into somebody's house and

1100
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: murder on people's Unlike, yeah, they will keep your car

1101
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: that they might like, you know, three sixty heny grind

1102
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: onto your yea, you were trying, you were really trying.

1103
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: Well done. Um. But the fact that people saw or

1104
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: say they saw Mikio arguing with a skater, combined with

1105
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: the clothing that was found in the house discarded, which

1106
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: people say is skater garb or something that you know

1107
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: at the time was in fashion with skaters, would lead

1108
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: them to say, well it had to be it. Okay,

1109
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about the clothing that

1110
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: was found in why this kind of the textiles, Yes,

1111
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: the text tiles. Okay, So there was that down style jacket, um,

1112
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: which was an air Tech brand jacket, and it apparently

1113
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: had both sweat and blood in it. That blood type

1114
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: was a but that didn't DNA linked. The DNA from

1115
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: that didn't link to anybody, didn't link to the killer's

1116
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: blood left behind in the house even you know, I

1117
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: actually haven't seen that the two were connected. It may

1118
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: have been, and it's just not reported that way. Again,

1119
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: this is one of those issues with translations, so I

1120
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Might have nobody connected it was

1121
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: a victim or or in the system. I just met

1122
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: that bought it a second hand store and already had

1123
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: a little bood on it. Yeah. Maybe. Uh that there

1124
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: was a hat left behind, which was a crusher hat,

1125
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: which is I always described this as remember Gilligan's Island

1126
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: and Gilligan had that silly sailor hat with the with

1127
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: the the edges that folds up folded down. Well, it

1128
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: was that made out of fuzzy material. You see rappers

1129
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: wearing them. Um, was it? What there was? Was it

1130
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: I remember L L. Cool J back in the day

1131
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: rocking one of these. Don't You're right, I don't. I

1132
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know who LLL cool J is. I all his

1133
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: name on the internet and I used it. Yes, I do.

1134
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: Was a cigarette. Um. But okay. The other things that

1135
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: were found is there was a shirt and it was

1136
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: a it was T shirt, cotton fabric, but it was

1137
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: white across the chest. And then the arms, the long

1138
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: sleeve arms were made out of there was purple. Only

1139
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty of those shirts were apparently sold

1140
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: by a local shop in Marafuru, which is very close by. Um,

1141
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: so it seems like there's not a whole lot of

1142
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: them sold. And then the shoes that were sold, um,

1143
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: which I don't. I gave you the brand earlier and

1144
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: I've lost it. Slazenger, I believe it was, but they

1145
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: were apparently favored by skaters. Again they were the sizing

1146
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: was in Korean and it was a size eight. Oh

1147
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: my god, no, it doesn't work like that, career. Um.

1148
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: There there are quite a few weird things in the

1149
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: clothing though, that are also found. I said that there

1150
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: was a black handkerchief was that was found that had

1151
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: cologne on it, which was the car help me hear

1152
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: devndcar nor is that right? No, thank you, I've been

1153
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: saying all kinds of words, right, so the simplest ones

1154
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: I have to fly Okay, let drek our noiyard by

1155
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: Guy Laroche and so okay. This is the other weird

1156
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: thing about about the handkerchief is that it had recently

1157
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: been ironed, which leads people to think that this was

1158
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: a skater who still lives at home and his mom

1159
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: irons everything for him. I don't know, I feel like

1160
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: there's like a very I think it's dumb. Japan. Is

1161
01:08:55,439 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: this really amazing place for street fact s? Like crazy amazing?

1162
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: And I would say that there is um a real

1163
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: pride within certain groups of people in your appearance to

1164
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: a Hollywood level, Like they're definitely certain subcultures in the

1165
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: fashion of street fashion fashion street. Yeah, whatever's the matter

1166
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: that Like the dudes like I think we're going to

1167
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: talk about like the dudes who dress like Elvis, like

1168
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: and and their pompadours are so giant, and they like

1169
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: there's a there's a very meticulous they're like they're oh

1170
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: my god. There are some amazing documentaries on Netflix and YouTube.

1171
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: About the women who take part in this and the

1172
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: men also take so deep part in this that like,

1173
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't really surprise me, that is, with your own

1174
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: fashion and appearance, particularly in the tiny the tiny excess

1175
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: reason that you know, we would think like well, like, okay,

1176
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: maybe he looked with his parents or whatever, but like

1177
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: a guy who was into this kind of subculture, that's

1178
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: that's not crazy to me that he would iron his

1179
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: especially he might have even ironed it so it looked wrinkled. Yeah,

1180
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, because that was the style. It's crazy. There's

1181
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: a crazy amount of thought and time that goes into

1182
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these subcultures. And that's true with things

1183
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: even like skaters, where you would think, well, it's just

1184
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: like form over or function over form, but no, there's

1185
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: just like it's just it's crazy over. It might have

1186
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: also been just iron so it wouldn't I take up

1187
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: a much space in your pocket too, But well, but

1188
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: it's it's weird that it had the clone on it,

1189
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: because that's isn't super popular through most of Japan, which

1190
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: is also an oddity about it. There's some other things, Okay,

1191
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: so there was the hip bag a k a. The

1192
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: Cool Fanny Path, back. Uh, And it was as I

1193
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: said before, it was nicer than your average kind of

1194
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: bag like that. But the really strange thing about the

1195
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: bag is what was found inside of it, which was

1196
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: some sand, specifically sand that they traced to be I'm

1197
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: guessing they must have done it by the mineral counts

1198
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: and stuff. We talked about this in what was Princess do.

1199
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: Princess Doe was the last one we talked about this,

1200
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: but they traced it and they said it came from

1201
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: California and more specifically in the area around Edwards Air

1202
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: Force Base in California, which is just craziness. It was

1203
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: just like some it was like what a handful of

1204
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: sand like I don't think it was even a yeah,

1205
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: just a you know, a couple dozen grains or something

1206
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, those guys are nothing that gets

1207
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: into the seams and it will just never come out,

1208
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think about your shoes when

1209
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: you go to the beach and just never everybody ever

1210
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: imports sad and like for aquariums or for god knows what.

1211
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna have you hold onto that bear

1212
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: with me here because I've dropped to cliffhangers on people.

1213
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: One is the sand two is the Korean shoes sizing.

1214
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: And because I'm a jerk and I like a good cliffhanger,

1215
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make people wait and we're going to talk

1216
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: about that later. Instead, we're gonna go to a completely

1217
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: unrelated theory. Yeah, let's go to the third theory. Theory

1218
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: number three. Well, this is actually very similar to theory

1219
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: number two. This is the biker gang theory. Basically, the

1220
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: only difference here is that instead of having fought with

1221
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: a skater, Mikia was actually seen outside fighting with a

1222
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: local biker. And the bike gangs in the area are

1223
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: are called bozozoku. I believe it's how you're pronounced. Listen,

1224
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really trying on this. Japanese is not my language,

1225
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: so thank you for everybody and helped us with that.

1226
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: But they're the biker gang. So they're the ones we're

1227
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: just talking about with the leather jackets, because they got

1228
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: these crazy leather jackets, the giant pompadoors, and they're they're

1229
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: generally a nuisance. Actually, I was reading a really interesting

1230
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: article on Gelopnik about the fact that this culture is

1231
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 1: getting the biker culture is actually waning. As the Japanese

1232
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: economy is waning. Because the bikes are expensive, a bunch

1233
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: of them are out riding scooters. But even then, modifications

1234
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: are not cheap. The jackets aren't cheap. The embroidery on

1235
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: those jackets is super expensive. Like you got to have

1236
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: are insane. You gonna have a lot of money to

1237
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: be a bear do well, and nobody could afford to

1238
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: be this level of ne'er do well. But but basically

1239
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: the whole theory is that instead of a skater, he

1240
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: fought with a biker, and he offended that biker, and

1241
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: so this pompadour came in the house and killed the

1242
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: entire family. I do I do feel something we're going

1243
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: to talk about. I do feel um that my understanding

1244
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: of these different gangs because they have I have spent

1245
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: no I I you know, going through costume scions, like

1246
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: my fascination with Japan in general, I have spent a

1247
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: fair amount of time researching the different street fashions of

1248
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: Japan and the kind of culture that comes around it.

1249
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: And I do feel like that culture around these kind

1250
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: of biker gangs is more aggressive. Not to say I

1251
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: don't believe that they committed this crime, but I do

1252
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of editorially feel like they are more likely than

1253
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: the Skeeter Gangs. Well, the way that I got the

1254
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: impression was is that they like to make a nuisance

1255
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: of themselves and generally rebel, but that rebelling doesn't appear

1256
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: to escalate to the level of any kind of major cry.

1257
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: They're more revel without a cause and more clue right.

1258
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 1: But I don't again, I don't believe that, like, certainly

1259
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: not premeditated. If this happened on their part, well, that

1260
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: was the was the park to hang out for these guys,

1261
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I don't think so Joe

1262
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: really heard. I've read a lot about this story, and

1263
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: I've never heard that, you know, I mean, at least

1264
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: the skaters they did hang out nearby, they had reason

1265
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: to the bikers. I had never heard any of any

1266
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: evidence that the actual I really, like many stories, I

1267
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: feel like this was kind of just shoved in as

1268
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: a theory at some point by somebody, and it's been

1269
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: picked up in a number of places. That's really I

1270
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's much to it, but which means we

1271
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: should probably move to the next theory, which is the Yeah,

1272
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: so the Yakuza. So anybody who doesn't know the Yakuza

1273
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: is the Japanese mob. So the theory goes that this

1274
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: family was possibly killed because it was a hit, maybe

1275
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: because Mikio either angered the wrong people, or maybe he

1276
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: owed the wrong people and he wasn't paying up well,

1277
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: because it's usually the man in the family that gets

1278
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: the family in trouble because us men are dumb. Yeah,

1279
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 1: but he wasn't the one who was the most brutalized. True.

1280
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: But but the point being, somebody in the family owed

1281
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 1: the yakuza, if if it's an o reason, unless it

1282
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: was a hit reason for some reason outside of that.

1283
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: But I know, I know. But but the point is

1284
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: that the yakuza hires somebody and then unbeknownst to them,

1285
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: the guy they hired decides to hang out and just

1286
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: make it a super creepy weird thing because well that's

1287
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: just what he decided to do. I mean, I know

1288
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: you're going to talk about this a little bit, but

1289
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: if he was an outsider that was hired, maybe they

1290
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: didn't get him a hotel room. I mean, like you're laughing,

1291
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: but we didn't. He didn't for my room aboard. Fine,

1292
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm staying in there. He just didn't have a place

1293
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: to go or things to do before his flight left,

1294
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: or maybe he was smuggling him out of the country happening,

1295
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe somebody was maybe he had a ride,

1296
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, the ride just said the other guy with

1297
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: d his ride just said, I'll swing by and pick

1298
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: you up at this hour, like nine am. And you said,

1299
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: you've got that entire window to get the job done.

1300
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: That's that's surveilled the house. Sneak into the house, kill

1301
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: them all, get the whole thing done, and I'll pick

1302
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: you up in this corner, you know, someplace at nine am.

1303
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: And so the guys just like, oh, you know, I

1304
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: guess some time to kill And it actually makes a

1305
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: lot more sense to stay here rather than go out,

1306
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: like you know, two in the morning and hang out

1307
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: of the streets all night by myself. Makes a ton

1308
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: of sense. So let's let's talk about a bunch of

1309
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: stuff that's in here that people really like. For the

1310
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: yakuza hit theory, We'll start with the Korean angle, because

1311
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: that's what I brought up with the shoe being in

1312
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: the listed in a Korean size wa and then there's

1313
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: some details that I haven't shared so far about the

1314
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: poop emoji. Uh So, investigators figured out that, first off,

1315
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: the poop contained several things Aside from DNA, it contained

1316
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: the remains of a meal, and that meal was a

1317
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: green bean dish with sesame dressing, which is kind of

1318
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: a traditional meal, so that it's a vegetarian meal. Yeah,

1319
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: it had it wasn't anything that would have had any

1320
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: It didn't have any meat in it. There was no

1321
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: meat found or you know, cast off of meat in

1322
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: the poop, so they said, well, he must have been

1323
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. They they also found through testing the genetic

1324
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: makeup of our killer, the killer was not of pure

1325
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 1: Japanese descent or origin. Instead, the killer's father was probably

1326
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: Chinese or Korean, while the killer's mother was, according to

1327
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: their analysis, most likely Southern European. And they're saying that

1328
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: she was possibly either from either the Mediterranean or the

1329
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: Adriatic Sea area. So that's that's pretty detailed. So were

1330
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: they able to tell anything else about the besides that?

1331
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,440
Speaker 1: That's really all that I've ever found in the released information.

1332
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: So ethnic heritage, that's about it. Yeah, it's the ethnic heritage,

1333
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: and some people make a lot out of that, because

1334
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: in the Japanese culture, if you are not Japanese there,

1335
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: just like any culture, if you're not of true, pure heritage,

1336
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: then there there can be some um racism. That's the

1337
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: word I'm gonna use, because that's what it is. And

1338
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: there are people who can never rise above a certain

1339
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: station because of their herit. And so that's why people

1340
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: see this and look at this, and you'll see on

1341
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: the internet it breaks down how many you know, how

1342
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: many and how many Japanese versus Chinese versus Korean could

1343
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: have this. But the point is it's a mixed background.

1344
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a whole lot of it.

1345
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: But this this then goes ahead in the theory to

1346
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: say that, well, probably this guy wasn't from the area

1347
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: if he was of this mixed background, and that the

1348
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: idea would be that the yakuza brought him in. They

1349
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: brought him in from somewhere else. You've got to you know,

1350
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: when you go through a border, you got to go

1351
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: through customs and all of that, and you gotta have

1352
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: your paperwork in order. But it is entirely possible to

1353
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: smuggle people, and it happens in every country in the world,

1354
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: and if you're the mob, you're probably pretty good at

1355
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: smuggling people in. So that But again, though there's no

1356
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: there's not any hard evidence this person didn't live the

1357
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: next block over, nor is there any motive on DNA

1358
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: based on No, there's nothing to this person lives in

1359
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: country or has never been in country. But that's the

1360
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 1: This theory says that this person was brought into the

1361
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: country for this deed based on what the contents of

1362
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: the poop left in the toilet, of the DNA that

1363
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: was extracted from the poop em. Yes, the DNA, not

1364
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: the contents as in vegetable matter. Well, I mean, like frankly,

1365
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: I'm not a vegetarian, but i've there's like aug weeks

1366
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: sometimes months at a time without eating meat. Not I

1367
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: mean just because I don't you know, it's not like

1368
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: a conscious thing one way or another. Sometimes it doesn't

1369
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: sound good, sometimes it does sound good. So it's not

1370
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: I don't think because if you you've had one BM

1371
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: that doesn't have planner, No, no, no, I don't think

1372
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: that's true. I kind of suspect that the killer didn't

1373
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: flush because the killer wanted it to be found. More good,

1374
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: because because the killer probably was like, say American. So

1375
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, if they analyzed one of his regular um

1376
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: what's the word. I'm thinking if they analyze one of

1377
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: the they would have found typical American. It would have

1378
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: been hamburgers and French fries and so one of the yeah,

1379
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: they're not a little I'd say Red Harry, but Morebert

1380
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: Brown Herring and uh and uh. And so he ate

1381
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: nothing but vegetables for like a week before and that

1382
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: might be the reason that he actually hung out in

1383
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: the house. That might be the you guys, you guys

1384
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: have gone far afield. Let me do this for a second.

1385
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, we're thinking about reasons why he could

1386
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: possibly stayed now so long. It might be if the

1387
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: guy really really wanted to leave that little calling card

1388
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that was what Captain sticking around because

1389
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, not quite ready yet. I'll eat some

1390
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: more ice cream, I'll drink some more tea. Yeah, and

1391
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: then finally it happens and then bam, okay, I can

1392
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: go the end. Literally. I mean, I don't think the

1393
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: yakuza is a good because I think he accused is

1394
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: usually cleaner. But I also don't see any motive. I

1395
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: also don't see the Tucusa. Would they take out an

1396
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: entire family like that or just take out Usually they

1397
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: would just like cut off the arm of the person

1398
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: who wronged them. I will be honest that I don't.

1399
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: I haven't done enough reading on the yakuza to even

1400
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: know what they would do. But basically, let me just

1401
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 1: let me just cinch up the tail end of this

1402
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: particular theory. It's saying that this guy was so flagrant

1403
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: in leaving fingerprints and DNA around because he knew that

1404
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 1: he was not going to be in the Japanese system,

1405
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: and so there was no way that they were going

1406
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: to pin him down. And then he would just go

1407
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: to his his new employer and they would ship him

1408
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: home and he was scott free. I mean, that's that's

1409
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: the way the theory goes. I will agree, it's there's

1410
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: again just like the other ones are giant holes in

1411
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: that idea. And I really don't, as Devon said, it

1412
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 1: don't really see why the accusa would go to that

1413
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: length because from what we can tell, this family had

1414
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: nothing that would have drawn that kind of ire to

1415
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: get them all wiped out. I will tell you, and

1416
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: these things, these next bits that I'm going to give you.

1417
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: I think they're I really think that they're just kind

1418
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: of wild cards here, and I don't think they're they're

1419
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: actually connected. But on the early morning hours of the

1420
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: thirty one December, so this is the morning. You know,

1421
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: the killing happens late in the night, so this is

1422
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: the early mornings. A cab driver said he picked up

1423
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: three men sometime in the early morning around the area

1424
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: of the home, and one of those men had a

1425
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: wound on his hand, and he took them to a

1426
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: nearby train station. They didn't talk during the whole time,

1427
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: which he said was kind of weird because early in

1428
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the morning he expected them to be drunken revelers and

1429
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: instead they were very very quiet. There's also reporting that

1430
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: a man was treated for a deep knife wound in

1431
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: his hand at five thirty in the afternoon on the

1432
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: thirty one near tober Nico station, which is again, this

1433
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: is why I think this is just a wild and

1434
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: wild bit at seventy five miles away, which is a

1435
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: two kilometers from the home. So I think that that's

1436
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: just some random, unconnected bit, but people people grab onto it.

1437
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: Speaking of the knife wound, let's talk about that for

1438
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: a sec. What Uh so the killer's blood was left

1439
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: behind some bandages and some sanitary napkins and and some

1440
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: other surfaces around the house. Yeah, okay, and also in

1441
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: his clothes and stuff. I don't know about the clothes,

1442
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: but I do know it was on surfaces in the house,

1443
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,480
Speaker 1: like in the kitchen, on the mouth of the computer.

1444
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: There was aces that it was found. Okay, okay, okay,

1445
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: never mind that. Okay, okay, Well, let's go to our

1446
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: next theory. I know there's you one, at least one

1447
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: of you has one more than I do. But we're

1448
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna go to our next theory, which is a US airman.

1449
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: This theories hinges really on that bag and the sand

1450
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: that was found in it, because, like we said, it

1451
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: was all traced back to I'm guessing my mineral content

1452
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: to the area around Edwards Air Force Base. And this

1453
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: leads a lot of people to say that, oh, well,

1454
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: it obviously it was a U. S airman who was

1455
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: out for a night of light murder, and then when

1456
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: he did the deed, he returned to his post and

1457
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: then eventually he went home. And I gotta tell you that,

1458
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the dumbest thing in the world, because

1459
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: if The Japanese actually thought that, seriously, a U. S

1460
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: citizen had done this murder. They had gone to the

1461
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: U S and militaries. Hey you get fingerprints? Yeah, hey,

1462
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: I think your guy killed somebody. Can you check his fingerprint?

1463
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 1: And they'd had him in the system, and he'd have

1464
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: been busted in arm. They might have actually done that.

1465
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: They might have actually run. Yeah. I mean, this whole thing,

1466
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: it's it's all based on the sand there there. Okay,

1467
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: this is dumb. You asked this before, though, Joe is like,

1468
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: there's some very innocent reasons how sand could have got there.

1469
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: The second hand bag that was imported could have been

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01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: something like you were asking about aquariums. You know, you

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01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: ever see those um the little balls with sands and

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01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: stones in them that are decorative. That maybe that came

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: from the US and it broke. I mean, there's a

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01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: ba jillion ways that sand from that region could have

1475
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: ended up in a piece of clothing. Devin would say,

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01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Bingo, Okay, actually,

1477
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: I have one is so much dumber for you. Yeah,

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01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: I do. I do, because I and I have one.

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01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: That's pretty good my comparison. All right, Well, My last

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01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 1: theory is that this was all done by a corporate

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01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: competitor he was in. It was corporate espionage to an

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: amazing level. But again this is this doesn't make any

1483
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: sense because nothing in this says gives the slightest hint

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01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: that Mikio was involved with anything that was of high

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01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: enough importance that a rival branding agency would send a

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01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 1: hit man to get what he had. Like I've seen

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01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: this people that they stole WiFi from. They were everybody

1488
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: steals WiFi, Joe WiFi. But really it's there's nothing that

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01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,879
Speaker 1: even gives me any inclination to say that there's anything

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01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: solid in that. But you will see that kicked around

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01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: the internet. Devin is over here like waving her hands.

1492
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: So I gotta know what is the theory that I

1493
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: have missed? Hey, did they fingerprint the family? I believe

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01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: they did. Oh I tell you, wondering if maybe one

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01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: of the people next door was the killer. I believe

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01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: they did. I can't say though, with any certainty, that

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01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: they did. But knowing how the Japanese police in their

1498
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: c s I how procedurally bound they are, I would

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01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: imagine that that is one of the thing you would

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01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: do almost right away would also imagine that. But here's like,

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01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 1: let me just run with a theory for like two seconds.

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01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I guess my theory kind of goes twofold, right. Either,

1503
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: like they were starting this wall with this family and

1504
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: there was their family. How do you not hear this

1505
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: bleep crap stuff stuff? Things go not right? I mean,

1506
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: like there's no way that there's not screaming and yelling

1507
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: and like help and he's killing it right unless somebody's involved,

1508
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: or I guess my main theory is that one of

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01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: the people in this family did it and then maybe

1510
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: killed themselves or maybe got killed by a family member

1511
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: who came over to try to intervene or whatever it was.

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01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: Six year old. Okay, wait, I'm trying to You're gonna

1513
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: have to flesh that out. So let's say like the

1514
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: father's downstairs doing work and he just like loses it.

1515
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: He goes upstairs, he smothers his child. Okay, continue on,

1516
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: goes upstairs, smothers his son. The mom comes down with

1517
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: a daughter, and it's like what are you, Oh my god.

1518
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: He kills them either commits suicide or the family next door.

1519
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: Here's what's going on, and it's like, I like the

1520
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: idea he kills them at the top of the stairs

1521
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: and then and then turns to trampically walk downstairs and

1522
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: get a beer out of the fridge and then trip

1523
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: accidentally stabbed and stabbed himself to death rolling down the stairs.

1524
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: But some sort of exactly but some sort of you know,

1525
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: family dispute. Again. The next door family is kind of

1526
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: involved in it. They are like, Okay, well, how do

1527
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: we make this look like it was a mistake. They

1528
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: like do a couple of things in the computer, They

1529
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: like take a poop, and then like leave and then

1530
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: come back, and then they call the cops. And it's

1531
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: not a perfect theory. But none of these theories are

1532
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: perfectly so I guess I that's kind of my thought

1533
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: is like, well, what if it were in an inside job?

1534
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, because somehow it makes more sense to

1535
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 1: me than somebody randomly breaking in and for some reason

1536
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: smothering a six year old and then stabbing a bunch

1537
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: of people and then hanging out for a while. I

1538
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: don't know. That's my the thing I have to contribute

1539
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: to this story. It's not good, but I would say

1540
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: it's at least as good as the yakuza. Oh yeah, well,

1541
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and and really there if this is not an inside

1542
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: job like you're saying, Devon, there is a pretty serious

1543
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: amount of planning involved to bring clothes to lead a

1544
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: falseter I mean, the clothes seem like they were brought

1545
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: to lead the police in the wrong direction, to misdirect them.

1546
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: That's that's not just your random freak who decides to

1547
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: kill somebody climbing in the house and doing the deed

1548
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 1: and then decided to do something after the fact, Like

1549
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: there's there's somebody somebody had a real motivation to do this.

1550
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't random. So the random airman killer

1551
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: doesn't fit in the yucuza. I don't really get it. Well.

1552
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things about it is one of

1553
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: the theories that you always go to and when people

1554
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: get stabbed, especially like this, a very personal kind of burger,

1555
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: this sexual jealousy. You always look at ex boyfriends, ex girlfriends,

1556
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: things like that, and that doesn't seem to have been

1557
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: considered in this case. And the well, the thing about

1558
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: it is it's the other thing that it's been assumed

1559
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: from the get go that the killer was a man.

1560
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Now imagine the Kailer was a woman. Yeah, I'm not

1561
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, imagine that, that and that, And this

1562
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: woman deliberately brings where's when men's clothes there, leaves them behind,

1563
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: knowing that the Japanese police are gonna believe from the

1564
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: get go that it was a guy that did it,

1565
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: because I mean, who can come over and come into

1566
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: this place and overpower and stab a guy and stab

1567
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: a family to death. You know, it's gonna be a guy.

1568
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: And of course this person doesn't this woman. Let's say so,

1569
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: let's just assume for the sake of fund it's a

1570
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: woman just says, hey, you know, I'm gonna do a

1571
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: little I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna really care to

1572
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: their assumptions and leave some guys some clues that was

1573
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: a guy here. And so I'm gonna leave all these

1574
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 1: men's clothes and stuff. I'm gonna go take a crap

1575
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and not flush it because women flush the toilet. Dudes

1576
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: don't always women always do. So I'm gonna pull this

1577
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: dude stunt and take a dump and leave it sitting there,

1578
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: just like a dude. But then there's other things that

1579
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: make me wonder. I mean, the mother or the mother.

1580
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: The wife was stabbed and and the daughter. They were

1581
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: especially the wife apparently were stabbed a lot more brutalized

1582
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: than anybody else. What's indicates to me maybe a little

1583
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: psycho jealousy going on there the clean up. Now, the

1584
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: average guy, if he finds he's running out of bandages

1585
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: and still bleeding, the average guy is not necessarily going

1586
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: to think to go get out the sanitary napkins. But

1587
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: a woman would. And and best of all, this person

1588
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: would have the motive. Even it does not appear to

1589
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: have been investigated, because it appears that it was assumed

1590
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: from the get go that was a guy that culturally

1591
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: that may be a cultural reason, and that's it could

1592
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 1: be a failing on the Japanese police, not just a

1593
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: cultural Well but I was going to say, is that

1594
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,839
Speaker 1: you know there there has been criticism of the Japanese

1595
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: police because they have an amazing investigative team and an

1596
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: amazing forensic team, but they have no experience because this

1597
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: kind of thing almost never happens, which is which is

1598
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: terrible because on the flip side, in the States, you know,

1599
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of places where our investigative capacity blow,

1600
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: our forensic capacity blow. But we see stuff like this

1601
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: all the time, and so we're really good at figuring

1602
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: out where it came from. So it's kind of it's

1603
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: a it's a back and forth. But I mean, well,

1604
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean we could keep going. I mean, I'm in

1605
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:31,480
Speaker 1: with Joe. Probably was a jealous girlfriend or farmer girlfriends

1606
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: something or husband have been jealous husband, mother in law

1607
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: or maybe a mother in law or something. That's Devin.

1608
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: Jevin has just been dealing with a future mother in law.

1609
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: So that's why she's going in law, all right. I

1610
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: don't think that, But I also don't think the mother

1611
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: in law are the people in the next to the

1612
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: next door would have taken a dump and left it

1613
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 1: in the toilet. No, I agree, but I definitely agree

1614
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,600
Speaker 1: with you. I could have been probably a woman probably was.

1615
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 1: So if you have agreed, Sorry, sorry I got thrown

1616
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: off by the high fiving. Okay. So if you have

1617
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: theories of your own, that's totally understandable. This case really

1618
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,840
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1626
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1628
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1630
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