Speaker 1: What's that ad? It's spooky Joky. I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I ghosted I days.
Speaker 1: Pa, Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 1: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I like to talk
Speaker 1: to people that I like about mysterious shit. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by an absolute icon of horror, a true legend, and
Speaker 1: not only does horror. I mean this guest today, Rachel True.
Speaker 2: She's working non stop.
Speaker 1: You might know her from Half and Half, Half Baked,
Speaker 1: the Gregor Rokey classic Nowhere, but of course we most
Speaker 1: know her and love her as a spooky weirdos from
Speaker 1: The Craft. She played Rochelle and the Craft. That movie
Speaker 1: life changing for so many of us. And I have
Speaker 1: had the honor of knowing Rachel a bit for a while,
Speaker 1: and finally the day has come. I ran into her
Speaker 1: at a horror convention. I said, Rachel, come on, come on, Rachel,
Speaker 1: you gotta come on the show. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many people have requested Rachel True come
Speaker 1: on the show, and we finally got her. She's also
Speaker 1: honestly a legendary tarot card reader. She's very well known
Speaker 1: as a Tarot reader. She even has a book about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that she's got Tarot dex. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's incredible, and I also had the honor of having
Speaker 1: her read me just a little bit. So let's just
Speaker 1: get into it. Here is my conversation with Rachel True
Speaker 1: and with the show. You guys, I am joined at
Speaker 1: last by Honestly, I'm gonna say the most requested guest
Speaker 1: I have had the past nearly five years of doing
Speaker 1: this show, Rachel True.
Speaker 2: Hello, what seriously, that's thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2: By the way, I was lucky enough to run into
Speaker 2: the fabulous rosin person not that long ago, and well,
Speaker 2: the first thing I said was do you just stare
Speaker 2: in the mirror and go, I'm so pretty? I'm so pretty?
Speaker 1: And then sometimes I leave the house. I people. You
Speaker 1: don't know how many times people have said to me,
Speaker 1: did you know that Rachel True is a really a
Speaker 1: Tarot reader? You have to have her on your pie
Speaker 1: And I'm like, not only did I know that? I
Speaker 1: know Rachel True as well? I know the I know
Speaker 1: Rachel True a bit. So it's finally worked out to
Speaker 1: have you here, and this is exciting for me.
Speaker 2: Ah, it's exciting for me because I love this subject matter.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean we we know you're a terror
Speaker 1: reader you wrote this.
Speaker 2: Wait, let me correct that because I am a Tarra reader,
Speaker 2: but I also am a Tara author, because I think
Speaker 2: that there is maybe even in my own mind, Roz,
Speaker 2: we're connotation to Tyra reader. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You picture them in it in like a book in
Speaker 2: the back of the bodega.
Speaker 3: Reading cards or worse worse, TikTok readers have ruined everything
Speaker 3: for me, Roz, because if I see another newbile twenty
Speaker 3: year old pull out like the Three of Swords, rub
Speaker 3: it on her tits and go they're coming.
Speaker 2: Back, which, like I can't take it anymore. First of all,
Speaker 2: three of Swords a heartbreak card. They're probably not coming back.
Speaker 2: The heartbreak's probably fresh. And second of all, what do
Speaker 2: your tits have to do? Tits are great, I have them,
Speaker 2: I you know, I live with them. But what does
Speaker 2: that have to do with your reading? And that's why
Speaker 2: I wrote the book so that people could learn to
Speaker 2: read their own cards, because I started reading at like eight,
Speaker 2: and I think it is so important and empowering to
Speaker 2: learn to read your own cards rather than rely on
Speaker 2: some random terror reader out there reading. But think about it,
Speaker 2: it's Tara reader on Instagram or wherever.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying there's not good readers on there. There
Speaker 4: definitely are, but.
Speaker 2: They're reading for the mass as if it's an astrology.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's literally very specific to you. If I
Speaker 2: read for you, ras, I'm picking up on your energy, right,
Speaker 2: so I can do a sort of collective thing, but
Speaker 2: it's not as helpful, I think. Listen, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of Vegas card sharks slinging Tarot cards out there. Everybody
Speaker 2: be careful.
Speaker 1: Serious, So how does somebody sniff out a bad Tarot reader?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know what I'm gonna say, It's tough because
Speaker 2: depending where one is at, Like if you are fresh
Speaker 2: off or breakup and you're devastated and you didn't want
Speaker 2: it to end, you have no discernment, and you're literally
Speaker 2: gonna pick the reading like you would pick a TV show.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go on YouTube and you're gonna go, well,
Speaker 2: it says they're coming back on this one, so oh,
Speaker 2: listen to this one. And then a couple months later,
Speaker 2: when you're a little weeks later, days later, when you're
Speaker 2: feeling stronger, the one that says you moved on, girl,
Speaker 2: you don't need him. That's the reading you're gonna vibrate
Speaker 2: with on there. You're gonna pick it like a TV show,
Speaker 2: which is fun and entertaining, but it's not a personal reading.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't get things out of that
Speaker 2: just by listening, because it can elevate your mood and
Speaker 2: give your seratonin to make you feel better or worse, depending,
Speaker 2: But my whole thing about learning to read for yourself
Speaker 2: is that it's literally one of the most effective self
Speaker 2: suit techniques.
Speaker 1: I sound yeah, I because that's I have a long
Speaker 1: history with Taro with I want so badly to be
Speaker 1: that lady in the back of the bodega. That's like
Speaker 1: my dream, Like I really right there, yeah, very much
Speaker 1: want like just I don't know, scarves everywhere and like
Speaker 1: dim lighting. I actually have in my home like one
Speaker 1: of those big neon signs from a tarot reader place.
Speaker 1: I just love, I love or and I even think
Speaker 1: that like just the writer wait decks, like I think
Speaker 1: the artists so gorgeous. I think like I just I
Speaker 1: love Taro, But I cannot comprehend it. Listen. So if
Speaker 1: I give myself a reading, I'm like, I have to
Speaker 1: look up what every single thing means.
Speaker 2: If that's not First of all, it's perfectly fine to
Speaker 2: look things up. What do you like a pro taro
Speaker 2: reader grifting for money in times square? Then you don't
Speaker 2: need one day? God will it? If I'm lucky, then
Speaker 2: you listen. If you're reading for money, you should know
Speaker 2: the cards inside and out. Period. But if you're just
Speaker 2: reading for yourself, look things up. In fact, I know
Speaker 2: the cards inside out. I know all seventy eight cards,
Speaker 2: but I still will look up an interpretation. Why because
Speaker 2: there's so many different schools of thought. Right, So you
Speaker 2: what this person, what Rachel Pollak says compared to this person,
Speaker 2: compared to what I put in my book all going
Speaker 2: to be similar but different. And there you can just
Speaker 2: keep expanding. And the other thing about Tara cards is
Speaker 2: my definition. My interpretation of them changes constantly, or as
Speaker 2: I learn. So I hear you that you can't read
Speaker 2: it or learn it for yourself. But like, and I
Speaker 2: don't even have my book here, I'm the worst. I
Speaker 2: have the box, I don't have the book. Right, But
Speaker 2: there's a full side. There's a big book in there
Speaker 2: which also is memoir essays in it. Twenty two Memories
Speaker 2: is about my sort of gen X life. But basically
Speaker 2: I break it down and if you ever spent more
Speaker 2: than three hours, give yourself three hours to learn a deck,
Speaker 2: and you'll probably know the ins and outs, because I
Speaker 2: bet you you've never done that. I know you've pulled
Speaker 2: out your cards and you've read them, but have you
Speaker 2: ever actually spent a couple hours learning the cards? No?
Speaker 2: I have, I have you a little bit.
Speaker 1: But what I will say, I have read your book,
Speaker 1: but I read mainly just the essays. Like that was
Speaker 1: like the I was like, oh, I want to hear
Speaker 1: more stories from read no listen.
Speaker 2: I actually appreciate that because I worked really really hard
Speaker 2: on that book. I wrote it by'm a big girl self.
Speaker 2: It was challenging project. But the way I break it
Speaker 2: down in the book makes it simple. Like if you
Speaker 2: try to learn seventy eight cards, that's very intimidating, right,
Speaker 2: I don't want to know seventy eight anything, but if
Speaker 2: you start thinking about it. There's four suits in the
Speaker 2: deck that represent earth, air, fire, water. You know that
Speaker 2: cups pentacles, right, is.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, wands.
Speaker 2: And swords, so those all correspond those are that's four
Speaker 2: things you gotta learn.
Speaker 4: Earth that's earth energy.
Speaker 2: It's like practical day to day things, money, Air, that's mind,
Speaker 2: which represents swords, which is your intellect and you know,
Speaker 2: making decisions and things like that. Cups your emotions which
Speaker 2: is water. And what do I leave at wands which
Speaker 2: is your fiery creative energy. So you can You're not
Speaker 2: gonna learn them as like just say them now, but
Speaker 2: if you learn those four things, that's it, right.
Speaker 1: And numerology too, right, Yes, that was my next thing.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if you learn ten things, all
Speaker 2: fourteen things altogether, which is the four suits that I
Speaker 2: just mentioned, and then I break it down in the book,
Speaker 2: I talk about the numerology of the cards. So let's
Speaker 2: say I say to you five. You know, twos is
Speaker 2: maybe partnership and working together and working things out and
Speaker 2: just trying to juggle on life. But what twos represents
Speaker 2: coming together with another person, duality of self. But let's
Speaker 2: take five because that's a difficult number in numerology, not difficult,
Speaker 2: but it represents change. So it can be either good change,
Speaker 2: bad change, but change even if it's great. Change can
Speaker 2: often feel like sandpaper on the skin, right, like friction.
Speaker 4: So if I say to you swords five of swords.
Speaker 2: And you've never picked up a deck, You've never been
Speaker 2: looked at one. But I tell you that fives is
Speaker 2: conflict and change and swords is mind and words, well
Speaker 2: then it's conflict and change in words. It's like the
Speaker 2: five card then represents perhaps some conflict in how you communicate.
Speaker 2: Or let's take the five of cups conflict and change.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about cups, which is what roz your
Speaker 2: emotional life.
Speaker 1: Water life, Yeah, your water. You cut me off.
Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, because I realized I didn't want to
Speaker 2: put you on the spot.
Speaker 1: I didn't kidd at all.
Speaker 2: I don't I might learner. No, it's fine, and I'm
Speaker 2: kind of feeding through it. But my point is, if
Speaker 2: you learn in numerology, you know conflict and change. Five. Now,
Speaker 2: if I tell you it's a cup card, you got
Speaker 2: the five of cups, it's going to be me perhaps
Speaker 2: conflict and change or resolution of conflict and change. Those
Speaker 2: are the choices basically on the surface level with that card.
Speaker 2: So any five is going to present a little conflict
Speaker 2: in change challenge and how you respond to that is
Speaker 2: where you're at in life. Like, let's take another card,
Speaker 2: the High Priestess.
Speaker 1: Do you know her ros she's sickening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like when I first started reading tarot, and
Speaker 2: that was again I was very young. But let's say
Speaker 2: when I really dealt in, I had a deck where
Speaker 2: the High Priestess looked like the meanest Catholic nun you've
Speaker 2: ever seen, Like she's ninety and mean like, so I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, f the High priest is I
Speaker 2: don't even get that. Now that I'm a grown up,
Speaker 2: I get why I was like that, because the High
Speaker 2: Priestess represents wisdom and knowledge but also the ability to
Speaker 2: shut your trap, Rachel. That's why I didn't get it
Speaker 2: when I was younger, because I'm a talker and edit
Speaker 2: a neurotic. So I had to learn about the High
Speaker 2: Priest's card where she knows enough to keep her mouth shut.
Speaker 2: She doesn't give away all her secrets or you know,
Speaker 2: people are talking over there. She doesn't have to add
Speaker 2: her two cents, she can just take in the knowledge.
Speaker 2: So as a grown up, I love that card. Now
Speaker 2: I love her so much, And as a kid, twenty
Speaker 2: year old. I was so intimidated by her. So a
Speaker 2: lot of the times my dynamic with the cards shifts
Speaker 2: because I have come into a better understanding of myself.
Speaker 2: The reason I say terrorist that you could sell soothing
Speaker 2: card to Roz is like, let's say you're really one
Speaker 2: of your friends really annoyed you, and you're just so
Speaker 2: mud right, and you know you're gonna call them up
Speaker 2: and be like, you've really pissed me off. I'm like, hey, hey, wait,
Speaker 2: go do not you, but anyone right can be in
Speaker 2: that situation. Go do a tower reading and calm yourass
Speaker 2: down first, so you can figure out why you're really mad.
Speaker 2: Are you really mad because they said that thing? Or
Speaker 2: you I'm mad because you feel a little abandoned by them.
Speaker 2: They haven't been around as much and so it's triggering
Speaker 2: your abandonment issues from childhood. So now everything they do
Speaker 2: is annoying you. You know what I'm saying, It really helps.
Speaker 2: It's like a shrink in a box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I love for it. You're so good
Speaker 1: at talking about this stuff. I mean, you have done
Speaker 1: this for a very long time, so no I have.
Speaker 2: It's like, again, it's a passion of mine. And I
Speaker 2: think when I was younger, I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 2: you can only do one thing right, acting, and like
Speaker 2: that's it and that and that kind of was true.
Speaker 2: Back in the nineties. It was like if you did
Speaker 2: anything else orout any other interests, you must not be
Speaker 2: an Opka. And now things are really different, right, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is something I enjoyed doing. I also
Speaker 2: I also sew and make clothes. I also write books.
Speaker 2: I you know, I would say that I'm an artist,
Speaker 2: and you know, the medium is sort of arbitrary, right.
Speaker 4: It could be fabric it could be writing, it could
Speaker 4: be this.
Speaker 2: But again, with Taro it helps me calm myself down
Speaker 2: enough to get out of my own way.
Speaker 1: Taro two is one of these things, like a lot
Speaker 1: of things like drag for example, where I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing and like it's so cool that
Speaker 1: so many people are into it nowadays. But if you
Speaker 1: did it like before it got super cool and popular,
Speaker 1: then you're extra cool.
Speaker 2: It's true. Although you know, I try to remember that
Speaker 2: everything comes in cycles, right, But I do know what
Speaker 2: you mean because there were people who were there in
Speaker 2: the beginning who were doing it and now especially with drag,
Speaker 2: you see so many people benefitting and they have no
Speaker 2: idea the struggles that other people went through.
Speaker 1: Did you feel stigma as a tarot reader like in
Speaker 1: your younger days?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know. When I was very young, I
Speaker 2: didn't really read. I mean, I read some of my friends,
Speaker 2: so no, do you know what I mean? But there
Speaker 2: when I was younger, there was this stigma around I
Speaker 2: think the culture of any of that. We were coming
Speaker 2: out of the Satanic panic in the end right with
Speaker 2: the eighties, so coming into the nineties, there was still
Speaker 2: this vestigial thing of anything untoold is the devil. Like
Speaker 2: for example, you know, there's at least six different girls
Speaker 2: over the years have come up to me and gone,
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't read for the craft because the
Speaker 2: Bible and the devil, and I go, wasn't your PARTNERL
Speaker 2: don't worry about it? Like why are you even talking
Speaker 2: about this? So you know, it's really just depends on
Speaker 2: where someone's what they connect to it. And for me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I will do anything to feel better naturally
Speaker 2: in my body. I did read or other people before
Speaker 2: I wrote the book, and I was kind of doing
Speaker 2: it because I thought I was going to get a
Speaker 2: script idea out of it, and instead I wrote a book,
Speaker 2: which you have and you've read. But I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of people who are like,
Speaker 2: it's it's devil thing, or it's bad or a grister,
Speaker 2: And I get that there are a lot of gristers
Speaker 2: out there who were like the first readings ten books,
Speaker 2: but you're now on the fourth reading. I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you your curse and you're gonna pay me thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars now and.
Speaker 1: Get it removed. And if you buy the special elixir
Speaker 1: that I've made you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's that's actually really hard for me and aed anything, right,
Speaker 2: because like even on I'm on TikTok, right, and I
Speaker 2: put up a post about how like, listen, as a
Speaker 2: grown up, I'm going to attribute sunblock to my skin
Speaker 2: staying all right, and everyone's like, what kind of sunblockable
Speaker 2: kind of And I was like, listen, let me to
Speaker 2: influence you. It doesn't matter which everyone is closest to you,
Speaker 2: which everyone's on sale, which everyone's packaging is the prettiest, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because it's all the same ingredients. So
Speaker 2: my thing is like I'm not I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to sell anything, and then I'm like, hey, I
Speaker 2: want people to buy my book, sure to edify themselves,
Speaker 2: but as far as the rest of it, it's very
Speaker 2: untunnable to me when people are like, I'm not gaykeeping,
Speaker 2: but here's this product you need to buy. Girl, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're manipulating me with that phrase. I'm not gatekeeping. You're
Speaker 2: a salesperson, and you're presenting it as if you're doing
Speaker 2: me a favor. Now it's we'd a weird time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, whether.
Speaker 2: It's products or tero or anything, I'm like, you really
Speaker 2: have to be careful out there. And again, I'm such
Speaker 2: a Scorpio slash of Capricorn rising. I don't want anyone
Speaker 2: else to read for me. I would rather learn to
Speaker 2: read myself because I'm probably better at it. That's such good.
Speaker 1: Well, you're also like sharing your knowledge and gift. You're
Speaker 1: literally like, here you learn how to do, which is
Speaker 1: so nice and opposite of what a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Because I always talk about psychics, I always tell me
Speaker 1: that I'm like pretty psychic, but I always feel like
Speaker 1: they only say that because I'm not psychic enough that
Speaker 1: I could steal their business. They're like, yeah, you're like
Speaker 1: a little psychic. But if I was amazing, I feel
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't tell me because then I would like
Speaker 1: snatch up all their clients.
Speaker 2: Know I think it's psychic, you know, in alignment with
Speaker 2: their higher consciousness or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: would probably encourage you to develop it. But like you like,
Speaker 2: I once called into a famous psychic some you know.
Speaker 2: They were on a radio show and I somehow got
Speaker 2: through and the first thing they said was I go hello,
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, okay, you have a lot of
Speaker 2: psychic ability yourself, don't you. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: look at them, knowing they can't like bullshit me here.
Speaker 2: They're psychic enough to pick up that I have that
Speaker 2: energy too, but that you know, but they also are like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: gonna have to walk a little differently when you know
Speaker 2: it's someone that's gonna hold you account of all. I
Speaker 2: argue with that, not argue, but there is a bull can.
Speaker 2: I talk on a regular basis and one of the
Speaker 2: things we'll say is I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, everyone, have I got cool?
Speaker 2: She's fabulous. It's one of my favorite people. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: everybody's magical and she's like, no, they're not, and I'm like, Nope,
Speaker 2: yes they are. It's just you know, how developed are you?
Speaker 2: Like my friend described it as some people are are
Speaker 2: in like the Peewee Football League, and other people are
Speaker 2: you know, are at the super Bowl with where their
Speaker 2: development is. But part of why I wrote the book
Speaker 2: and again design the deck is so people can this
Speaker 2: is the chair is a perfect tool for developing your
Speaker 2: own psychic abilities, which are in us dormant in most people.
Speaker 2: And and I'm assuming people listening to this show aren't
Speaker 2: hyper religious, right, but like if they were, I would say, what,
Speaker 2: it's not out of alignment with Christ consciousness or whatever
Speaker 2: your bag is. It's literally a way to clear the
Speaker 2: channel so you can hear your divine's message clearer and
Speaker 2: without your ego free supposing on it what you want,
Speaker 2: because frankly, I think that's the hardest thing for people
Speaker 2: in reading cards is getting their ego out of it,
Speaker 2: their ego desire like, well, this is what I want
Speaker 2: it to.
Speaker 1: Be, you know that's my problem. I'm like, well, there's
Speaker 1: so many interpretations of each cut. Maybe it's this one.
Speaker 2: You know what, I get that because I believe me
Speaker 2: I'm human. I do the same thing. But I also
Speaker 2: am like a score, So I'm like, don't bullshit a
Speaker 2: bullshiter me being the bullshoner. I'm trying to bullshit, right,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I actually want it straightforward, and I want
Speaker 2: to know what's going on, because that's the only way
Speaker 2: it's helpful. If it's just a lot of hot air
Speaker 2: being blown at my ass, Like, how's that any different
Speaker 2: than all my years of Hollywood? Right, it's all this noise.
Speaker 2: But if it's the truth, then I can take that
Speaker 2: and springboard and then that's there's an action I can
Speaker 2: do based on that information, which I think is really helpful.
Speaker 2: Like again, there's just tools that can help people be
Speaker 2: more connected. And I think right now we're in a
Speaker 2: moment in time where we put anyone who buys a
Speaker 2: new deck, we put them on a pedestal. Let me go,
Speaker 2: they're gonna read by card. Like I'm not. You can
Speaker 2: be any age just as an agent. So I know
Speaker 2: twenty year olds are amazing readers, by the way, but
Speaker 2: that twenty year old is put in years of experience
Speaker 2: to get to that point to be or you know, hours,
Speaker 2: I should say, it's not even years it's more like
Speaker 2: how much time do you dedicate because isn't the true
Speaker 2: story around? Like before the craft script showed up and
Speaker 2: I talk about it in the book, like my TV
Speaker 2: broke and I didn't even have cable. I think I
Speaker 2: said three you know whatever channels back a lyving in Venice,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh god, I got to fix
Speaker 2: this TV. And then my intuition kick teams like Nata, Nata,
Speaker 2: you have other things you're supposed to be doing, and
Speaker 2: TV sub distraction because I'm American, I love TV, you know.
Speaker 2: And then though I was like, all right, I'm going
Speaker 2: to listen to the voice that says don't fix it.
Speaker 2: And I really I had copious grimoires, meaning just notebooks
Speaker 2: full of every write down, every reading every day. How
Speaker 2: do you get to know the cards that's child? You know?
Speaker 2: I would do the readings, write down each and every card,
Speaker 2: look those cards up. That way I could see what
Speaker 2: patterns were happening. If you do reading every day, you'll
Speaker 2: start to notice I'm getting all cup cards, or I'm
Speaker 2: getting all major cards, or I'm getting all the same cards.
Speaker 2: So that all of that really helped me get to
Speaker 2: learn chera. And then my two dude friends showed up
Speaker 2: months later and they were like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: like you're your TV. It's just so wire and they
Speaker 2: fixed it in like two seconds, and I was like
Speaker 2: I know, and I was like, yay, GV, I'm American.
Speaker 2: And then the craft script showed up like literally the
Speaker 2: next week, so all that time and I didn't have
Speaker 2: the TV that was prep wor for the movie that
Speaker 2: I didn't know was coming, and it really was because
Speaker 2: I remember a guy friend came over retrospect he might
Speaker 2: have been hitting on me, and I was like, hey, Tero,
Speaker 2: so he goes up, Wow, you're really serious about this high,
Speaker 2: like you're really into it, and I was like I yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's calming to me. And I didn't grow up.
Speaker 2: Everyone's parents mostly did the best they could, even if
Speaker 2: it wasn't what you wanted. But I don't think I
Speaker 2: was taught South soothing. We're gen X. They were like,
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, that's what like that was the
Speaker 2: comfort we got, like stop your whining. So you know,
Speaker 2: developing a pattern to comfort myself was important. And I
Speaker 2: encourage everyone listening to go out there and get a jack,
Speaker 2: whether it's mine or anyone else is like my deck
Speaker 2: I designed to feel like a closer. You're hanging out
Speaker 2: with a good friend, not a friend of me, like
Speaker 2: a friend you love. And I feel like a favorite blanket.
Speaker 2: Now I have many decks. I pull out the thoughts
Speaker 2: deck when I'm like, give it to me, brutal, kill me,
Speaker 2: kill me, now, tell me. I want to see the blood.
Speaker 2: So he'll drag up that you know and like ride
Speaker 2: or wait. Fantastic deck to start on. Even though it's
Speaker 2: mostly you know, the original images by Pamela Colman Smith,
Speaker 2: who is mixed. They're very Anglo images, right, So it's
Speaker 2: like once we get past that and we just look
Speaker 2: at the imagery itself and.
Speaker 4: The story it is telling.
Speaker 2: Writer Wait Smith does one of the best jobs in
Speaker 2: storytelling because ra's the magic isn't in the card. If
Speaker 2: I pull out this card and I say what do
Speaker 2: you see in this card? You're going to see.
Speaker 4: Something completely different than what I'm going to see.
Speaker 2: You know, you may look at him and be like
Speaker 2: them and be like cups, Yeah, like what do you
Speaker 2: when you look at this card? What is your into?
Speaker 4: A can tell you right now what are you getting
Speaker 4: from this card? And I'm sure it's hard to see,
Speaker 4: but you can tell.
Speaker 1: I'm getting that he is like, honey, it is all good.
Speaker 1: Like he's just like looking at the room like everyone
Speaker 1: wants to be me, but I'm good with it, Like
Speaker 1: I'm in a good place and it's all good.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love your interpretation of that, by the way,
Speaker 2: because first of all, I say true or intuitive terraak
Speaker 2: because we want you to use your intuition. That's literally
Speaker 2: what you just did, right. It also is at work.
Speaker 2: Cards which confuse people so much, are just simply other people.
Speaker 2: But mostly they are sides of ourselves. That's it. It's
Speaker 2: a side of yourself, so around and this surrounds emotional
Speaker 2: life pups. Right, So you know what this tells me
Speaker 2: about ros That Ross is probably in a pretty good place.
Speaker 2: I'm saying emotionally and secure wise, Like no, I'm pretty good,
Speaker 2: but inside yourself, I could be totally wrong. You can
Speaker 2: get off and be like I cry every day. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm saying you your interpret your impression
Speaker 2: of this card is very upbeat. I look at him
Speaker 2: because I'm cynical today and I'm like, he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take you out on a date, but it's a
Speaker 2: disc cup for that cup, I'm like a little boy
Speaker 2: with my cups. That's literally my interpretation of it today.
Speaker 2: Something I'm going to be emotionally draining to me. Now,
Speaker 2: that is the LoVa. If you were to reverse this card,
Speaker 2: meaning and reversals are just blocked and energy people. Right,
Speaker 2: it's either upright and flowing in a good vibe or
Speaker 2: it's reversed and it's a little block. And how you
Speaker 2: can tell is, let's say, for example, me if I
Speaker 2: got this card and I'm looking at the King of
Speaker 2: Cups and today I'm not seeing his joyful side like
Speaker 2: ros did. I'm seeing someone's gonna drown me in their
Speaker 2: fucking river at the bottom. So that's but who does
Speaker 2: I give you insight to me right now about men? Right?
Speaker 2: So again, it's very like if we look at anyone
Speaker 2: from the past and ignore their horrible misogyny, racism and
Speaker 2: everything else. Right, So let's take a young Carl Young
Speaker 2: who you know, let's forget what he said about lots
Speaker 2: of groups of people who do didn't look exactly like him.
Speaker 2: But some of the psychology things that Carl Jung was
Speaker 2: talking about, they're all in this deck. This is literally
Speaker 2: the fool's journey, you know, the arc type of being
Speaker 2: born till when you die, and these are YOUNGI and
Speaker 2: arch types. So I think it's, like I said, it's
Speaker 2: a way to psychoanalyze yourself. But by doing that, you
Speaker 2: free yourself of your ego and your bullshit, and then
Speaker 2: you're able to lock into what you're truly feeling instead
Speaker 2: of the mask we wear all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm an obsessive fan,
Speaker 1: but I've also I also have the audible recording of
Speaker 1: you tell to you actually speaking of and like, I'm
Speaker 1: having this problem that I have sometimes when I have
Speaker 1: on guests where I'm like, I'm I feel like an
Speaker 1: audience member. I forget that I'm also on this podcast
Speaker 1: right now because I'm like so like into every second
Speaker 1: of what you're saying. Have you ever, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've like taught classes and stuff, right Like
Speaker 1: you seem like a professor. How much you know about
Speaker 1: this now?
Speaker 2: I'm just old.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about like a couple of
Speaker 1: other things too. First of all, do you consider this
Speaker 1: like paranormal? Like when you hear that word paranormal, does
Speaker 1: that like go along with taro for you, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Say yes and no. Like when I was younger.
Speaker 4: Sure, I loved it when I was a kid, Like
Speaker 4: I got my first deck at eight, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, witches, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 2: I'm just so expogic, which is now as a grown
Speaker 2: I sort of look at it as Yes, it's a
Speaker 2: part of that. It's a gateway drug to opening up
Speaker 2: your psychic abilities. You can quote me on that. That's great,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But it is it's a
Speaker 2: bit of a gateway drug to opening that up. Buying
Speaker 2: a deck or being gifted at decks suddenly make you
Speaker 2: like the world's greatest psychic no or intuitive person. Know,
Speaker 2: you have to develop it.
Speaker 4: It's a muscle like anything else.
Speaker 2: So first, being paranormal, it is useful for those situations,
Speaker 2: but I don't actually look at it as Colonel. It
Speaker 2: can tell your future, but not until you're clear about
Speaker 2: your present. That's kind of the truth, you know. Chris
Speaker 2: carl Jung says, the best way to interpret I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: the best way to predict the future is to understand
Speaker 2: how the present evolved out of the past. That's psychology,
Speaker 2: not magic, right, but it is kind of I think
Speaker 2: the alchemy of figuring out yourself is magical. By the way,
Speaker 2: and you've probably had here's a thing I'm gonna segue
Speaker 2: into this because I'm sort of embarrassed I haven't had.
Speaker 2: You know, Everyone's like I see ghosts every day, Rachel.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't, like, I don't at all. I
Speaker 2: wish I don't wish I did. But I think some
Speaker 2: people are Claire, you know, Claire Audi and Claire Visual, Claire,
Speaker 2: all these different Claires that you can be Claire sentient,
Speaker 2: Claire Danes, Claire Danes. I'm not very Claar dance today.
Speaker 2: But I don't really see things as much as I
Speaker 2: sense or hear, like I'm more clear audio audio.
Speaker 1: Audience, Audiah audience girl.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because like when i'm when my intuition
Speaker 2: kicks in, it's usually like this little like a rustling
Speaker 2: noise in the back of my head, and that's probably
Speaker 2: my sign to like pay attention to whatever little whisper
Speaker 2: is floating through my head.
Speaker 4: But it's more like I hear it or I see.
Speaker 2: It in my mind. I rather than there's a kind
Speaker 2: of strung like I wish, But you know, I've been
Speaker 2: places cities where I can kind of be there and
Speaker 2: and look around and kind of almost see sometimes things
Speaker 2: shift to a different time. But I think that's time travel.
Speaker 1: Really think you shut time travel.
Speaker 2: I don't know time travel, but I've always felt like
Speaker 2: I like fall through time, right. And then I'm on
Speaker 2: TikTok listening to the girl and was like, I have
Speaker 2: time blindness. I can't show up anywhere on time. Wow.
Speaker 2: And I was like I knew what. I actually hear her.
Speaker 2: Everyone's making fun of her, but I kind of understand
Speaker 2: what she's saying. Now. The other thing is like eighteen
Speaker 2: year old well then said it alarm.
Speaker 1: You know, like I thought, what you're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: TikTok is there's there's a whole thing. I mean, people
Speaker 1: have done this on YouTube or whatever for forever where
Speaker 1: it's like somebody with like their voices distorted and like
Speaker 1: they've come back from the year twenty fifty so and
Speaker 1: they're here to tell you everything that's happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I wish, but like nice grifted, that's
Speaker 2: what I say.
Speaker 1: I always am like, let me just hear them out.
Speaker 1: Does it say anything about me being president.
Speaker 2: What sign are you?
Speaker 1: I'm a Libra.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, well, okay, that's oh, that makes
Speaker 4: sense why you're so pretty.
Speaker 2: Libras are all about resignment and beauty and all those
Speaker 2: and air sign but I'm surprised you'll hear them out.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is yourn airs, like because I'm a water side,
Speaker 2: I'm like, shut up your big phony.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe any of it, and I
Speaker 1: do want to scroll past. But I also have time
Speaker 1: on my hands. Well I'll just.
Speaker 4: Girl, so do I.
Speaker 2: But when I said time traveler, what I meant by
Speaker 2: that when I was younger is I could be sitting
Speaker 2: here and just this is an endpath thing, which is
Speaker 2: what I'm working on. My next book is about for
Speaker 2: m pass. But I can be sitting here and then
Speaker 2: like a memory will come in, but it's all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm there, like the smells, the sounds, the
Speaker 2: taste of being there. So that may be just an
Speaker 2: actor thing, but it literally will feel like I'm sliding through,
Speaker 2: you know. And so what I've started to do is
Speaker 2: when I end up sliding through and I'm like in
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn apartment I had when I was nineteen, you know,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden I'm there. Instead of being
Speaker 2: like whoa, it's opening like I normally am, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me clean, let me fluff that, and give her
Speaker 2: a pep talk. You know I'm here. Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if she's hearing me, meet young me. It's
Speaker 2: hearing me or seeing me. But I'm like, caln, I
Speaker 2: shift the future that way. I won't say when I
Speaker 2: was young. Ever, since I was very little, I dealt
Speaker 2: with sleep paralysis a lot, and I feel it's so rough. Man.
Speaker 2: It's not as bad now that I'm a grown up,
Speaker 2: but it would happen.
Speaker 1: You sleep on your back.
Speaker 2: I'm a sound sleeper, actually sometimes on my back like
Speaker 2: a corpse. But then I'm like, what if I die
Speaker 2: like this? That's weird.
Speaker 1: So does it happen? How does it happen? Like how
Speaker 1: are you saying?
Speaker 2: It could happen anytime? Like as a kid on my
Speaker 2: back on my side in a car, in a thing.
Speaker 2: But I would be hyper aware that I was awake
Speaker 2: and I'm in a car.
Speaker 1: I have never even heard somebody's tell I mean, it
Speaker 1: would make that it could happen anywhere, But like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's scary.
Speaker 2: In a car is like an eight year old and
Speaker 2: and the thing that happens for me is like, because
Speaker 2: you're not a dream state at first, I'll force myself
Speaker 2: to go back into one, but like you're really aware
Speaker 2: you're in your body, you cannot move it. You feel
Speaker 2: like you're paralyzed, and you're might be in a you
Speaker 2: think you're in a coma or something like that. And
Speaker 2: when it happened in the car, I was like floating
Speaker 2: above myself, kind of watching myself sleep. And I remember
Speaker 2: as a kid being worried, I can't do that. You
Speaker 2: have to stay with your body because A you don't
Speaker 2: want to be paralyzed, but b you're in a car,
Speaker 2: Like what if? What if you leave your body and
Speaker 2: you can't get back to it? That was my eight
Speaker 2: year old break or what if?
Speaker 1: Like a freeway sign was all of that's right.
Speaker 2: They clocked me on that, But I do think, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of theories, like back in the Middle Ages,
Speaker 2: they were like, it's because a demon is sitting on
Speaker 2: your chest. Reach that's what I thought, But I think that, uh,
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis is an in between state that can be
Speaker 2: utilized for astral production totally.
Speaker 4: That's what I think, you know, And so as an adult,
Speaker 4: I don't freak out about it.
Speaker 2: I go, oh, okay, I'm dreaming. Great, let's see what
Speaker 2: I can do. You know, Can I walk to the moon?
Speaker 2: And I try to be consciously maneuvered. It's a little
Speaker 2: tougher though, because sometimes it's scary. You're like aware that
Speaker 2: you're asleep, but maybe you're not. I've had a couple
Speaker 2: of times where it did feel like someone was entering
Speaker 2: into the room and watching me, and I was like,
Speaker 2: is I just are in Venice? When I lived in Venice?
Speaker 2: And I was like, is it an alien? Because You're like,
Speaker 2: it could be. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always say about sleeperroll, this is you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people have to say, oh, there's scientific reasons
Speaker 1: why it happens, Sure, great, whatever, But I also think
Speaker 1: that it also can be like that could be a
Speaker 1: real energy of some sort. It could be a spirit,
Speaker 1: it could be I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do wonder, but I'm not sure. But here, well,
Speaker 2: let me tell you about my latest crisis. Because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm all woo woo and whatever. That's the most airy
Speaker 2: fairy because I'm not actually very practical with my Capricorn rising,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm the first to be like prove it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very cynical when it comes to stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But one of the things I'm trying to
Speaker 2: write through and work for right now, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, writing this book for empaths and how amazing
Speaker 2: it is to be so sensitive. And you know, the
Speaker 2: kids are so overwhelmed by it, right They're like, I'm
Speaker 2: an EmPATH and you know, so it's kind of like
Speaker 2: for that if you're feeling overwhelmed. But and I was
Speaker 2: so gung ho, and then I had to do a routine.
Speaker 2: I was having stomach issues, had to do a routine
Speaker 2: procedure to exploratory just to check out my gut, and
Speaker 2: I fucking have an allergic reaction. I ask for it.
Speaker 2: They have to intubate, Like I almost die because I'm
Speaker 2: allergic to whatever anesthesia there there, you know, And I
Speaker 2: wake up in a puddle of my own vombit. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got it. So anyway, the week all that to say,
Speaker 2: the next five days after that, this is like two
Speaker 2: months ago. All I could think was, there's nothing, There's nothing,
Speaker 2: You're just dead. If you die, you're just dead, because
Speaker 2: I was really freaked out because I thought the last
Speaker 2: thing I'd be dead, like if they hadn't managed to
Speaker 2: revive me, I just begad. And so that kind of
Speaker 2: threw me into a chizzy of like what if there's
Speaker 2: not And I've never actually felt like I don't feel
Speaker 2: like there's nothing. I'm just wor you know, these are
Speaker 2: the things I talked through with myself. People who are listening.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I believe what I'm saying. Is this
Speaker 2: what I love to do s her for to help
Speaker 2: me suss out my uh, you know, conflicting opinions on things, right, But.
Speaker 1: That's also the human experience, I think, so to not
Speaker 1: know and to question and have moments where.
Speaker 2: But I was so sure before it happened.
Speaker 1: Have you ever like you kind of touched on this
Speaker 1: but whether you believe it or not or whatever, have
Speaker 1: you had experiences where you're like, I think that was
Speaker 1: a ghost or I was out of place and everyone
Speaker 1: else said that that was a ghost, but I don't
Speaker 1: believe it, or like I don't know anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, I definitely, like I said, I don't see I
Speaker 2: sensed more, but sure I've definitely been in many places
Speaker 2: that I'm like, the ground is sour, you know, it's
Speaker 2: crazy out there, like energetically. Like I was in New
Speaker 2: Orleans last year working, and that's a really conflicted, haunted city. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, with a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 2: anger underneath it too. And I mean the people I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the actual ground in history, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of tension there and that to me is a lot
Speaker 2: is a lot of those unsettled spirits, right who haven't
Speaker 2: left maybe because of the trauma that was inflicted. I
Speaker 2: did go to one of the cemeteries that's slightly outside
Speaker 2: of New Orleans, and it has it has a beautiful
Speaker 2: pyramid shape crip. That's why I wanted to go there,
Speaker 2: you know, and photograph it. But so I'm walking around
Speaker 2: in the area I'm in in the cemetery. It was
Speaker 2: called Millionaire's Row, you know, very fancy section of the
Speaker 2: cemetery that like in eighteen ninety six, that's where you
Speaker 2: would have been buried if you were fancy. And I'd
Speaker 2: taken all these pictures, absolutely stunning, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I went it hit me like a bolt
Speaker 2: of lighting. It wasn't from me. It was like from
Speaker 2: above or the side. It was like you were in
Speaker 2: the la siu dad de las bertas time to leave.
Speaker 2: Like it was so strong that this message was like great, great,
Speaker 2: time to go. And I was like, okay, okay, now
Speaker 2: is that a ghost? Is that a thing? Is that?
Speaker 2: I feel like? It's like messages can come from anywhere, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that was from a deceased
Speaker 2: ghost or a spirit or I don't know that I
Speaker 2: necessarily like these are my guides, but I do know
Speaker 2: there's been times in life where I haven't listened. Like,
Speaker 2: let me tell you. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: was used to complain that my dad didn't buy that
Speaker 2: loft in Soho for five thousand dollars. How could you
Speaker 2: pass that up? That's what it was that he could
Speaker 2: have done, right. But as an adult I had a
Speaker 2: little messenger from God sit down at my table. This
Speaker 2: is at the Kentucky Derby literally say to me, sitting
Speaker 2: chatting with us, and then goes this horse do that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a gambler, So I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: I didn't fat on it, but if I didn't also
Speaker 2: that this for other people listening or get insecure about
Speaker 2: how they look. I seriously, the only reason I think
Speaker 2: I did not get up and go make this bet
Speaker 2: at the time is I just felt uncomfortable in my body.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe my weight was heavy or I didn't
Speaker 2: like whatever it was. I was like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna sit here, bitch. If I just wind place or
Speaker 2: showed I would walk with a million dollars based on
Speaker 2: a fifty dollars bet.
Speaker 4: So that's like an angel message that I missed.
Speaker 2: We all have the no girl, and I knew it.
Speaker 2: I was like, I should get up, and there was
Speaker 2: a voice, the little whispering said you should make this bet.
Speaker 2: And I'm not, again not a gambler, but like fifty bucks, right,
Speaker 2: I could have done that or whatever I did in
Speaker 2: and I regret it. But we all have those moments
Speaker 2: like I said, my dad not buying you know, a
Speaker 2: loft and so for five thousand dollars, probably an angel
Speaker 2: said to him there's a good yeah, here's the thing
Speaker 2: you can get in on. He was like, no, thanks.
Speaker 2: We all have these moments.
Speaker 4: So now I just try to listen to where my
Speaker 4: intuition is kind of crackling to.
Speaker 2: Just get up, make the bet or do the thing,
Speaker 2: or take the chance or whatever it is to be bolder,
Speaker 2: you know, because I think a lot of us, including myself,
Speaker 2: have a lot of fear. A lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of our decisions are motivated by fear. A lot of
Speaker 2: our anxieties and jealousies, they're motivated by fear, right, fear
Speaker 2: of being abandoned alone or whatever it is. So I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. Like for me, it's about working through
Speaker 2: that fear and then sometimes back to like ghosts and
Speaker 2: stuff out there, I'm like, why are you still here?
Speaker 2: Where's the here? Like it actually breaks me out sometimes
Speaker 2: because I'm like this just is this just electricity, like
Speaker 2: the the you know, essence of a ghost of a
Speaker 2: ghost and the actual spirit is somewhere else Because it
Speaker 2: makes me sad. Sometimes I'm like what if that's the
Speaker 2: world spirit and they're just stuck there?
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of times it's sad. I yeah, right,
Speaker 1: even like where it's like, no, this is a happy ghost,
Speaker 1: but it's like yeah, but are you happy? But you're
Speaker 1: like one of those people that is like happy because
Speaker 1: they love talking about their high school days? Still, is
Speaker 1: it like that kind of happened.
Speaker 2: Fine, weren't you popular in high school? Though? Look at you?
Speaker 1: No, I was not, but girl police, I didn't fierce
Speaker 1: like this until a couple of years ago. Okay, one
Speaker 1: thing that I really want to ask you about that
Speaker 1: people love talking about, and I'm just curious if you
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on this being one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic stars of one of the most iconic horror movies,
Speaker 1: the whole idea of spooky things happen on the set
Speaker 1: of spooky movies, like what do you what do you
Speaker 1: think of that? I mean, did any of that happen
Speaker 1: for you guys?
Speaker 2: Well, listen, they said they picked I think to just
Speaker 2: sing meno mano mano is a faith, you know, that's
Speaker 2: a spring in France.
Speaker 1: I remember reading that your book and like, I actually
Speaker 1: didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, which I which I kind
Speaker 2: of like because I'm more of the I had to
Speaker 2: head my bets in a kind of agnosticy way. I'm
Speaker 2: like you, I don't know would be you know, So
Speaker 2: I'm glad we didn't use a real deity, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Just in Okay, I don't want to
Speaker 2: summon Kuthulu or whatever. I do think some things happened because,
Speaker 2: you know, Fruz and I were the two who were
Speaker 2: into the subject matter, who drove our asses into I
Speaker 2: don't even know how far deep Valley I had to
Speaker 2: drive to go to Pat Devin, who was our witch consultant.
Speaker 2: She had they were having a Beltane festival. So Fruz
Speaker 2: and I are the two went to that and participated,
Speaker 2: and we're really into it. So I think when you're
Speaker 2: talking about a movie like this, sometimes, yes, sometimes those
Speaker 2: things do happen, Like there was a white owl that
Speaker 2: moved around from set to set. And I don't think
Speaker 2: that people don't get about magic or you know, things
Speaker 2: that are outside our perception, and to me, they're usually
Speaker 2: kind of quiet. It's not suddenly like the big micheline
Speaker 2: Man ghost Marshmallow puff Man appears outside your window and
Speaker 2: it's a spectral phenomenon. That's just not how it happens.
Speaker 2: It's more like an energy and a synchronicity. Like the store,
Speaker 2: the witch store that was some dude's apartment actually, which
Speaker 2: was a really cool apartment in East Hollywood.
Speaker 1: When I first moved to La I looked up where
Speaker 1: it was and still to this day, every time I
Speaker 1: drive through Hollywood, I'm like, if I'm with them, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you recognize that?
Speaker 2: Right? It's right there on Holly. I think it's on
Speaker 2: Hollywood Boulevard, not even Sunset, it's Hollywood. So so that
Speaker 2: was someone's apartment and they, you know, set decorated it
Speaker 2: for the movie. So there was a table with hundreds
Speaker 2: of journals on them, you know, or at least one
Speaker 2: hundred or more. So we're like action rolling and the what.
Speaker 2: I pick up a journal and I open it and
Speaker 2: there's writing in it, and I'm like, oh wow, they're
Speaker 2: so thorough, these Hollywood professionals. And then they're like cut
Speaker 2: and the guy who's a partner's like, who's that's my journal?
Speaker 2: That's why journal? Out of all those books, I stuck
Speaker 2: it in there, and you picked up my journal. So
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's kind of magic in its own way,
Speaker 2: isn't it that there was an energetic connection to this
Speaker 2: thing that I just intuitively, out of all the ones,
Speaker 2: that's the one because it probably had some energy coming
Speaker 2: off it, rather than a blank set book that had
Speaker 2: been bought just to be a prop.
Speaker 1: Do you know which goes along with your story of
Speaker 1: when your TV broke and you know, gave you time
Speaker 1: to focus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like if you start to pay attention
Speaker 2: to the small things, right, So if you're just starting
Speaker 2: out and you're like, oh, wow, I noticed that there's
Speaker 2: this synchronicity here. If you start to pay attention to
Speaker 2: the synchronicities, now, I don't mean go crazy and be
Speaker 2: like I got to tote and that means like, girl,
Speaker 2: it means you look at the clock probably you know,
Speaker 2: because that's why I've got to say. This is where
Speaker 2: I'm a little cynical, right, I'm like, you have to
Speaker 2: off and raiser things.
Speaker 4: You have to get rid of.
Speaker 2: What's the simplest explanation. You always have to look at
Speaker 2: the simplest, you know, scientific way before you before you
Speaker 2: go to the woo woo with things. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: I know I'm digressing all over the place. I think
Speaker 2: for me, I believe in it all. I just think
Speaker 2: a healthy dose of skepticism is how we don't get
Speaker 2: taken advantage of in this world. And let's face it,
Speaker 2: like spirituality, tarot card seances, all of that, you know,
Speaker 2: started with some real griftory people in America back one
Speaker 2: hundred years ago or more, and it was a trend to,
Speaker 2: you know, set up a fake room and do you know,
Speaker 2: like just put on a show really and my thing
Speaker 2: is with Tara, like it's not a parlor trip actually,
Speaker 2: so I that's probably why you don't see me doing
Speaker 2: too many public readings. Although I dook a Patreon where
Speaker 2: we talked taro and I'd read for people a little
Speaker 2: bit on there. It's more of an informal tarot talk
Speaker 2: a little bit of learning, but it's not a proper
Speaker 2: class class class saying, got time for that, frankly. But
Speaker 2: I think it's about accepting there are lots of things
Speaker 2: around that I don't know. Again, let's go back to
Speaker 2: the ghost for a second. I've sat a freedom, you know,
Speaker 2: because I feel like if your energy is bound here,
Speaker 2: like to a barn in New Jersey, you deserve a
Speaker 2: better life.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I agree, but I also think sometimes
Speaker 1: like if they don't want to be free, like if
Speaker 1: they're like free me, baby, I want to go like okay,
Speaker 1: then fine, maybe I'll help you, like I'll do my best.
Speaker 2: But by the way, I did stay with a boyfriend
Speaker 2: and his family's like it's we're our farmhouse is haunted.
Speaker 2: That shit? Was that ghost? I was like, is it
Speaker 2: a racist ghost because it seems to be really annoyed
Speaker 2: with me the wife.
Speaker 1: Why was it annoyed?
Speaker 2: It could have probably wasn't anything to the race, but
Speaker 2: it seemed like like I remember I put my cup
Speaker 2: down and moved away. I'd come back in the room
Speaker 2: and the cup is on the floor now and no
Speaker 2: one had been in there, you know, And it wasn't
Speaker 2: like I walked away in this ceramic teacup. I would
Speaker 2: have noticed, you know, if I'd knocked it over. It
Speaker 2: was moving things around, but it was doing it a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess when it's irritated. And I was like, just get
Speaker 2: me out of it here then, because the last thing
Speaker 2: I wanted like an angry ghost on my back.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. These are the ghost
Speaker 1: stories I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: This is great. I don't really have to ready though,
Speaker 2: like is it Although you know, after my dad died,
Speaker 2: which was a long time ago in the early aughts,
Speaker 2: I am so conscious of his energy around. Believe me,
Speaker 2: I was sad I missed my dad that he died,
Speaker 2: but I was like, she's your dad. You're here all
Speaker 2: the time, Like go to the Yangsee River where you
Speaker 2: said you wanted to go and you never got to go.
Speaker 2: Like it actually started to feel like the energy was
Speaker 2: there so much that I had to have like a
Speaker 2: little chat and say, listen, it's all good, Like it's
Speaker 2: all good if you're here because you feel dot dot
Speaker 2: dot dot dot, whatever the stuff might be, it's all good.
Speaker 2: It's all good because the thing I realized it's a
Speaker 2: living person and listens to people who are like I
Speaker 2: hate my parents, and I get it. Some of you
Speaker 2: that's so valid, as your parents did you wrong, But
Speaker 2: the rest of you, I'm like, listen, once they're dead,
Speaker 2: there's no one to argue with accept their ghosts.
Speaker 1: But when you say like his energy was around all
Speaker 1: the time, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know how you'll feel like again,
Speaker 2: I don't really see there's a form of what over.
Speaker 2: What I do is I'll walk in a room and
Speaker 2: I'll just feel the energy from a section of the room.
Speaker 2: You know, I suppose it's like when the cat stares
Speaker 2: in the corner too long, You're like, what is there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you looking at probably nothing, but it could be
Speaker 2: a doorway to another dimension for all I know. You
Speaker 2: know it could be. So I'll just feel like almost
Speaker 2: like a heat signature thing over there. It's not eat necessarily,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying almost like you would see a heat signature. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I you know, there's certain sections of rooms I
Speaker 2: just won't want to sit in or be in if
Speaker 2: I feel because my dad's energy felt like it felt bad,
Speaker 2: like and this could all be a projection from my
Speaker 2: mind grass, right, but I felt the energy and I
Speaker 2: felt like said, there was like this heaviness to it,
Speaker 2: and so that's why I was like, it's all good, man,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's all good. There's
Speaker 2: no need to feel heavy or bog down or tied
Speaker 2: to this earth because of X, Y and Z. But
Speaker 2: also my dad was his mother or grandmother was a
Speaker 2: Romanian gypsy do so you know, I'd like to think
Speaker 2: some of it came from there, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And didn't she like see the future? Wasn't that
Speaker 1: like something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little I mean you can't like, let's
Speaker 2: sidebar to that. You can definitely use teraparts to tell
Speaker 2: your future. Absolutely, They're a great tool. For helping you
Speaker 2: develop your intuition and your you know, you're all your
Speaker 2: clear senses to be able to tell the future. But again,
Speaker 2: future to me is so malleable. It's all based on
Speaker 2: your choices, right, So.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's like predetermined, like you know.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm agnostic. I'm like, yo, maybe yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't really know for sure. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think we're presented with a fair amount of choices
Speaker 2: and options. You know. I believe we have choices that
Speaker 2: are so big they switch the path we're going down,
Speaker 2: for sure. But we make those choices. So I think
Speaker 2: everything's predetermined like a chess piece on a board, or
Speaker 2: like a TV show that's already been filmed and we're
Speaker 2: just playing through our parts. I don't I personally don't
Speaker 2: feel that doesn't mean that's true. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 4: For all I know, I'm like a non player character
Speaker 4: in a shitty game.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I want to do because we don't have
Speaker 1: a ton more time.
Speaker 2: But if you can cut out the sections where I
Speaker 2: babble too much, right.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? What you might consider babbel is gold.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I like pull one card. If you
Speaker 1: could help me interpret ittely? Is one card like enough?
Speaker 1: That's usually what I do because I'm here's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to start. Yeah, sure, pull one card? Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay? And do you recommend I ask a question of
Speaker 1: the deck or I think.
Speaker 2: It depends on what you want to do. I think
Speaker 2: it is helpful to ask a question. Decks are not
Speaker 2: always so great with you or no, because once again,
Speaker 2: that yes or no depends on what choice you make
Speaker 2: to get to that yes or no. Right, So I
Speaker 2: would say it's up to you. Like that's the thing
Speaker 2: I think people don't forget about her. A lot of
Speaker 2: it really is dealer's choice. Do you If I don't
Speaker 2: have a question on my mind, I'll just be like,
Speaker 2: what's the general energy? And then I pull a general one.
Speaker 2: If you have a specific question like are they gonna
Speaker 2: ask me out? Or am I going to get that job?
Speaker 1: Then yes, that question?
Speaker 2: You know? So you do you? Okay? Well?
Speaker 1: See, I think this might be kind of an interesting
Speaker 1: conversation because you know, I've been around this town for
Speaker 1: a long time and been a lot of joints, have you,
Speaker 1: I've sort of managed to be able to survive making
Speaker 1: people laugh and talking about ghosts and whatever. But I've
Speaker 1: always kind of been terrified of like being on TV.
Speaker 1: But I really have always been like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want like that. It scares me. It just
Speaker 1: has always scared me. Okay, And so talking to somebody
Speaker 1: that has also have you know, has experience with that.
Speaker 1: And then also at the time of this recording, my
Speaker 1: first ever television show that I'll be one of the
Speaker 1: stars of was just announced and at the time of
Speaker 1: the release of this show will be after it has
Speaker 1: already been premiered all eight episodes.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I can't wait to watch this. I've
Speaker 2: I've heard about it for a while. I'm super excited.
Speaker 2: In fact, if you get another season, can you bring
Speaker 2: me as your sister friend? Yeah? I really it goes on.
Speaker 1: We can just do that anyway in LA just for fun,
Speaker 1: you and me. Okay, But okay, So I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what I want to know, but I kind of
Speaker 1: just want to know, like I don't know, some sort
Speaker 1: of guidance from the deck and you about like as
Speaker 1: I enter this next stage of my life.
Speaker 4: So that's a great question. But like, as I enter
Speaker 4: this next stage of my life.
Speaker 2: What should I keep in mind? You know, that might
Speaker 2: be a nice general that's a general one to ask.
Speaker 1: Okay, and how do you recommend I pull one? Does
Speaker 1: it matter?
Speaker 2: It's you know again, here's the thing. It's about developing
Speaker 2: your own ritual. So for years and years and years,
Speaker 2: my ritual was shuffle, suffer, shuffle, split it into three parts,
Speaker 2: stack it back up, and take off the top. And
Speaker 2: I had to do it like that or I was
Speaker 2: a neurotic creak. Now I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: However you want to do it, because it is about
Speaker 2: your own thing. So if you want to shuffle and
Speaker 2: just pulling out the middle, that's great. If you want
Speaker 2: to take it off the top, it's really your choice,
Speaker 2: and I'm encouraging you to go with. Sometimes what I'll
Speaker 2: do is just shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, and I'll run my
Speaker 2: hands like this across the deck and I'll get a
Speaker 2: little electric shock from one and I'll take that card.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I do have I do have a way
Speaker 1: that I do it, which is this is to tell
Speaker 1: you more about who I am. I just basically mush
Speaker 1: them around and then when one of them falls out.
Speaker 1: Then I go, that's the one that wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And if a couple of them fall out, it's whichever
Speaker 1: one I looka.
Speaker 2: It's so Libra, it's there. I can take it or
Speaker 2: leave it.
Speaker 1: Okay, one just fell out, you guys. Okay, a bunch
Speaker 1: fell out.
Speaker 2: I think now it's just one. It's just one.
Speaker 1: I got the King of Pentacles.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay. So here's my thing that here's how my
Speaker 2: intuition works. Right, that's a beautiful card. It says it's
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's going to do well. King
Speaker 2: of Pinnacles. The thing you should keep in mind was
Speaker 2: a question you asked, So listen. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you spend all the money already. Leaders are pretty good
Speaker 2: with money though, but I have a feeling that you
Speaker 2: are so pretty you might have some rising sign influence
Speaker 2: in there that isn't as great as the Libra side.
Speaker 2: So my thing is King of Pinnacles. It's gonna bring
Speaker 2: more opportunity, more money. You're probably gonna get some like branding,
Speaker 2: you know, people who want you to shock products and
Speaker 2: things like that. I think you should be super careful
Speaker 2: with what you pick. Maybe not super careful, but just
Speaker 2: make sure it's in alignment with you. Yeah, right, because
Speaker 2: it's so easy to be like I like money. I
Speaker 2: like money. Don't get me, I do. So you just
Speaker 2: don't want to start schucking anything and everything. Does that
Speaker 2: make sense? You're gonna have a lot of opportunity.
Speaker 1: I am like that anyway, I don't, I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the libra. You're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 2: financial it's financial. First of all, what did we say
Speaker 2: look at start? Instead of being so like, oh ourds,
Speaker 2: I don't get it. It's the king. First, it's a king.
Speaker 2: We know that card that it is. What suit is it? Oh,
Speaker 2: it's pinnacles. We said. Pinnacles are basic you know, day
Speaker 2: to day things, reality world money, practical things. And then
Speaker 2: it's the king. It's kind of the apex, well, the aces,
Speaker 2: but the apex. It's the person who has all the
Speaker 2: money is benevolent. They're not a dick about like, they're
Speaker 2: not a hoarder. You know, they can be if the
Speaker 2: energy's reversed. But what that is saying to me, King
Speaker 2: of pinicles, you're coming into a space we're probably going
Speaker 2: to you know, probably hopefully fingers crossed gets picks up
Speaker 2: from I feel good about it getting picked up for
Speaker 2: another season. First of all, So who more money coming
Speaker 2: in is what I see with King of Pinnacles.
Speaker 1: But so what do I keep in mind is just.
Speaker 2: Don't spend all your money stupidly. Don't spend all your
Speaker 2: money stupidly. You can spend your money just you know
Speaker 2: what I'm You know what I mean, Like I love
Speaker 2: beautiful things too, you know, but at a certain point
Speaker 2: I had to look around my house and be like
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, how many God damn ganess statue do I need?
Speaker 1: You keep me away from a damn crystal store?
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, Like, you know, it
Speaker 4: just means that, like don't you're fine for finances.
Speaker 2: But the other thing I see in that, since we're
Speaker 2: talking about your career, is it'll probable. Oh and look
Speaker 2: what I just pulled. So we're we're bouncing it off
Speaker 2: that King of Pinnacles coupled with a wheel of Fortune.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 4: It's gonna bring in a lot of Really, I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Already have great opportunities, Like we have the thing if
Speaker 2: you've never met Rob's it's like very striking energy. You
Speaker 2: know you have, you have this presence, which you need
Speaker 2: frankly to be. You know, everyone's like, I could be
Speaker 2: an actor, I could be on TV. Like, no, you can't.
Speaker 2: Some of you don't have the charisma that it takes.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm being tough, heer, but it's actually true.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a certain energy that has to be
Speaker 2: able to pop off a person, and that's what people
Speaker 2: gravitate towards.
Speaker 4: And the people they like on TV.
Speaker 2: And you have that. Not everyone has it. Some people
Speaker 2: are amazingly clever and smart, but they just can't you know,
Speaker 2: when they tell a story, it's like this and it's
Speaker 2: really boring. Yeah, so you're you're the opposite of that, right,
Speaker 2: You have all these opportunities coming in again, it's the
Speaker 2: thing it wants you to be. You have a lot,
Speaker 2: and then you got the magician card.
Speaker 4: Okay, those those are two majors I pulled for you.
Speaker 2: Right. That's the other thing we note as King of Panicles,
Speaker 2: Wheel of Fortune, magician. So opportunities, opportunities, wheel of fortune,
Speaker 2: life shifting and changing magician. What do you want to
Speaker 2: create for yourself next? That's what I think I'd be
Speaker 2: focused on, because you're already here's the truth you already
Speaker 2: shot the show, right, It's already you can't so there's
Speaker 2: nothing else you can do about it other than prepare
Speaker 2: what you're What did I say? The last card was magician?
Speaker 2: What is it you want to magic up next? So
Speaker 2: that you're the.
Speaker 4: Producer next time? You know, not that we want Kristen
Speaker 4: Seward to be the producer.
Speaker 2: But I'm safe. But you when I say she's the producer,
Speaker 2: what I mean is as actors or performers from just
Speaker 2: acting in it, that's amazing, and I get paid. But
Speaker 2: if I'm producing it, I get a lot. I have
Speaker 2: a stake in the show. Right, and you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm kind of speechless.
Speaker 2: What right? Now? Wait?
Speaker 1: Can you can you pull just one more? I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what it would be so you had real.
Speaker 2: Well okay again, I will. But this is why I
Speaker 2: love spreads, because especially when.
Speaker 1: We don't but because we're doing a magic trick right now.
Speaker 1: Because okay, let me just tell you. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you. I when I was manifesting this TV show,
Speaker 1: I put on my altar the magician, Yeah, wheel of
Speaker 1: Fortune and one more card?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I bet you're let's say that's why I
Speaker 2: love her. And you know, like my intuition is pretty
Speaker 2: developed and it's easier for other people, Like sometimes I
Speaker 2: can't see myself as I can read for myself, and
Speaker 2: it's harder. But because I'm guaranteeing you this is not
Speaker 2: the card you got.
Speaker 1: But this is like a magic trick that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: So the last card that I pulled and yet yet
Speaker 2: another major right, So this one's interesting because it's also
Speaker 2: the card that represents scorpios. They don't freak out because
Speaker 2: it's death, right, But then.
Speaker 1: He's definitely not that one. But I know that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Two out of three. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: But wait in my deck and I don't think I
Speaker 2: have do I have it here? I just want to
Speaker 2: show you. Really, I think I put it away. Death
Speaker 2: card is literally a person. I don't think I have
Speaker 2: it here is literally a person instead of death death death,
Speaker 2: it's a person going like this, peeling themselves apart so
Speaker 2: that I knew them can be rebored.
Speaker 1: So this is what I say.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. Don't I death as a
Speaker 2: heavy thing. The death that I see for you is
Speaker 2: the death of the person who's like, I'm just doing
Speaker 2: a right and I'm you know, in Hollywood and doing
Speaker 2: it all right, like I don't want to be fair.
Speaker 2: It's the death of all that bullshit because you do,
Speaker 2: you do, you do well. But I also I know
Speaker 2: you do because here's my next car.
Speaker 1: You do because this of pentacles, which.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be a terror reader or mind
Speaker 2: reader to be like, there's a big hand with a
Speaker 2: big offering you a huge fucking disc piece of money
Speaker 2: right there. So I'm not saying you want to be famous,
Speaker 2: but what I'm saying is you do want to level up,
Speaker 2: and you do want more money. I know you do, Libra.
Speaker 1: But what I was going to say is a word
Speaker 1: I know very well is transition. And I do view
Speaker 1: being just like a local person and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden like being on a TV show as like
Speaker 1: a transition.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's what death represents, the transition exactly.
Speaker 1: That's how I have viewed like a few times in
Speaker 1: my life where I do feel like one door's closing,
Speaker 1: another one's open, whatever, And you could view that as
Speaker 1: like the death card or or like the tower I
Speaker 1: think you know is like the other one that people
Speaker 1: get scared of. And I think that sort of has
Speaker 1: happened a lot of times in my life where I'm
Speaker 1: like something is ending, but it is good because something
Speaker 1: is about to bloom and maybe a whole nother phase.
Speaker 2: So I think that is what I see for you.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like you want to be famous,
Speaker 2: because really the only people who want to be famous
Speaker 2: are like nineteen year olds who don't understand what fame
Speaker 2: really means. You know what I mean, because I've certainly
Speaker 2: not had the j low lifestyle of had a small
Speaker 2: face of it, and it's a lot. I'm an introverted extrovert.
Speaker 2: When people crowd around me, I get really sweaty. I
Speaker 2: don't love that part of it. I actually never really
Speaker 2: loved going to events and red carpets made me uptime,
Speaker 2: like all of it was made really anxious, you know.
Speaker 2: Like right, So I know what you mean about not
Speaker 2: necessarily wanting all that that I really get loud and clear.
Speaker 2: But what I do think you want is you are
Speaker 2: ready to level up, You are ready to lead your
Speaker 2: own show saying whatever it is. And so this goes
Speaker 2: hand in hand with that. So what if I were you,
Speaker 2: what I would be working on with my tar isn't
Speaker 2: what do I need to do? It's how do I
Speaker 2: release my fear around my anxiety totally around saying and
Speaker 2: also listen, you're very charming and fabulous. I think you're
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of attention, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're gonna become super famous office.
Speaker 4: So you know, get out of the future, come back
Speaker 4: to the present.
Speaker 2: But no, I would say that to myself too.
Speaker 1: No know what I'm saying that, but either way, like
Speaker 1: being thrust into a lot of people now knowing who
Speaker 1: you are that you don't know is like my biggest
Speaker 1: fear ever where I'm like, how did you know my name?
Speaker 2: Oh? How do you know me?
Speaker 1: I don't know you? Like all that kind of stuff rosreaks.
Speaker 2: For me yours, I always think, like I'm literally like
Speaker 2: do we go to school together? Or do I have
Speaker 2: a booger on my note? Like, well, how do you
Speaker 2: like it? It makes me super uptight actually, all that
Speaker 2: stuff around it even though I very much wanted to
Speaker 2: be an actor and a known actor and I want
Speaker 2: when I was young, I'm saying I wanted all those things,
Speaker 2: but the truth is, like it's it is a lot
Speaker 2: you're just you, and then people are staring at you
Speaker 2: all the time. It's weird. Yeah, but people stared at
Speaker 2: you before you were famous, you know, I bet or
Speaker 2: before you're you in this incarnation because I know for me,
Speaker 2: when I was like twenty or twenty one, my stepmother
Speaker 2: was visiting New York City, where I lived, and she
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, if the way people are
Speaker 2: looking at you on the street is any response, you'll
Speaker 2: probably work a lot. And I guess that's what I
Speaker 2: mean by that energy thing. You know. It's it's not
Speaker 2: that I was so the most prettiest or anything, but
Speaker 2: it's an energy that people were drawn to. And you
Speaker 2: have the same thing. You're just more libra about it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One time I saw you at the grove before I
Speaker 1: ever met you, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, shut up, really, oh my god, really, I swear
Speaker 2: to god, I'm such a dork. I really do. Like
Speaker 2: half the time when I look over I'm like, what
Speaker 2: did I do wrong? That's where my.
Speaker 1: Brain probably Going back to the podcast that we're on,
Speaker 1: I feel like that also goes along with your intuitive
Speaker 1: biness and your energy. I mean, it's all energy, really.
Speaker 2: It is all It is all energy. I try to
Speaker 2: actually make a bubble around me when I'm out and
Speaker 2: about because I realize if I'm looking around because I'm nervous,
Speaker 2: people are looking at me. It's really the same energy
Speaker 2: as my friends who are looking around, going are they
Speaker 2: looking at me? I'm famous? So I was like, I
Speaker 2: need to just block all of that out, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's a matter whether they're looking at
Speaker 2: you or not. It's that you just I think, listen
Speaker 2: back to you. I think it's golden. Nothing is golden,
Speaker 2: but it's golden. Like I think the show is going
Speaker 2: to be received well. I think you're going to do
Speaker 2: well right now, bought out. You should be pitching your show.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's what you should be doing and focusing.
Speaker 1: On I Actually it's kind of reminds me of your
Speaker 1: story with your TV and all that. When I first
Speaker 1: got a phone call about this TV show, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this show. They were like, you know,
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this show's happening here, are you interested
Speaker 1: in like interviewing? And I was like, yes, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get this show. And I went to this metaphysical
Speaker 1: store and you know, just to get some supplies. I'm
Speaker 1: a little witchy. I don't call myself a witch, but
Speaker 1: I'm into it. And there was a woman that was
Speaker 1: in the line because there was a line at the catcher.
Speaker 1: Certain she had like a deck of cards and she
Speaker 1: was like, you want me to read your cards? And
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and she just had like she
Speaker 1: was doing it with like regular playing cards and then
Speaker 1: she like pulled three and she or she like pulled
Speaker 1: one and she was like, you're up for a job.
Speaker 1: And then she's like you're going to get the job.
Speaker 1: And then she's like and it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, you're going to get this
Speaker 1: job and it's going to change your life and it's
Speaker 1: going to be huge. She's like does that resonate? And
Speaker 1: I'm like yes, this is why I'm like literally at
Speaker 1: the store right now.
Speaker 2: Say that's a little messenger from spirit whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it, you know, but it is right because
Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm like, what was that person Like is
Speaker 2: there connection or is it just like a bolt of
Speaker 2: lightning that comes hits that other person And they're like,
Speaker 2: I have to tell you this, you know, I is
Speaker 2: a divine and sproall never know because I don't know
Speaker 2: when I'm picking up on it half the time, or
Speaker 2: when I'm offering stuff out to people, or I didn't
Speaker 2: know those cards were going to be the exact ones. Raws,
Speaker 2: you know, picked up them. But because the one card
Speaker 2: that was different was death, I'm saying, what can you
Speaker 2: release to make this easier and better for yourself? You know,
Speaker 2: like more more productive, more joyful, more fun? Because how
Speaker 2: fun to be on a TV show, right, ghost hunting
Speaker 2: something you're passionate about.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting if we do read into this.
Speaker 1: The other card was the Tent of Pentacles that I had.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. But in your little.
Speaker 1: Magic trick that you just somehow did, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you went to the magic castle and learned how
Speaker 1: to choose the right card, but death replaced the Tent
Speaker 1: of Pentacles. I mean, is there a way to interpret that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? By the way, that's great thing. That's how one
Speaker 2: should think if you do reading.
Speaker 1: And more than just a pretty faith reach.
Speaker 2: But that's why I used to keep notes on it,
Speaker 2: because I got one reading one day and then the
Speaker 2: next thing, all the same cards except for one is different.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what you should be paying at time to do.
Speaker 4: What was it done and what is it before?
Speaker 2: So I would say list and labor's like I said,
Speaker 2: they have pretty they get money and they get beauty.
Speaker 2: But a ton of pentacles usually represents, you know, financial stability,
Speaker 2: financial happiness. It's also the part of the lost interpretation
Speaker 2: of that card would be it's a hard it's usually
Speaker 2: a hard thought thing to get to that position, meaning
Speaker 2: I mean like fighting, but like it took a lot
Speaker 2: to get to that ten of pinnacles position. Took a
Speaker 2: lot of work, took a lot of hard work, took
Speaker 2: a lot of ups, downs, crying, successes, failures, you know,
Speaker 2: just to get to that position. So that's why I
Speaker 2: like the ton of tentacles for you there, because it's
Speaker 2: not just like eighth of Pinnacles, like here's just a
Speaker 2: gift of money or the possibility of money. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: you work for this shit, right and you have over
Speaker 2: these many many years, and you worked with that audition,
Speaker 2: you know, like you probably didn't work that hard.
Speaker 4: It's the true of people you just laid it down
Speaker 4: and were amazing, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: But you had to make the tape and do the thing.
Speaker 2: So what I see I wouldn't look at is one
Speaker 2: replaces the other so much as how do they work together.
Speaker 2: I would look into any release around any odd issues
Speaker 2: around money, because like, if you are like I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want to be you know, famous or
Speaker 2: really successful, that might mean there's a place in you
Speaker 2: where you purposefully or or you know, subconsciously pass up
Speaker 2: some opportunities that could have put more money in your pocket,
Speaker 2: you know, along the way, because you subconsciously were like, well,
Speaker 2: if I do that, then I'll have all this new
Speaker 2: aggn if I didn't fear about what it's like to
Speaker 2: be successful.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: Also, the only reason that I chose those three cards
Speaker 1: is because I literally saw somebody on the internet say,
Speaker 1: if you want to get a job, put these three
Speaker 1: cards on your own.
Speaker 2: Good. Nothing wrong with that, I would say. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if you want anysing to happen, there's seventy cards to
Speaker 2: choose from. There is no magical tarot combination that's going
Speaker 2: to put money in your pocket or give you a job.
Speaker 2: There are only the cards that inspire you. Like you
Speaker 2: pick those cards because that resonated with you, right. But
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you could have easily picked the
Speaker 2: Ace of Discs and other cards that also represent.
Speaker 4: Getting the job and money, that those are the ones
Speaker 4: you went.
Speaker 2: Through, aren't say? You know, just hard to look through
Speaker 2: the deck and see what inspires you, because those cards
Speaker 2: are great and obviously worked, right. But if you look
Speaker 2: through and you're like, ooh, I really like this chariot
Speaker 2: card because that's victory and marching forward, then this is
Speaker 2: my magical card for that spell. Think of it as
Speaker 2: a spell. Combining these cards together, putting them on an altar,
Speaker 2: lighting a candle. It's really kind of a spell, right,
Speaker 2: a prayer a spell. And then I also sidewire. Lastly,
Speaker 2: I look into I'm working on my fitness right now,
Speaker 2: but I look at food is a spell for your body?
Speaker 2: Do the way with foods we've put in our systems.
Speaker 2: Think about it. It's you're literally saying, here's here's the
Speaker 2: nourishment I'm giving you. Right, here's a spell for you.
Speaker 2: How are you operating? How do you feel? On all that?
Speaker 2: I'm not saying people have to be fit or not
Speaker 2: eat junk to be magical, but at all at all
Speaker 2: I know you can do it because I've eaten plenty
Speaker 2: of jugs and been magical. But I also think there's
Speaker 2: a reason why spiritual people, you know, did fast before
Speaker 2: a spell or you know, a ceremony. The body's just
Speaker 2: zinging a little easier, right, It's not. It's not it's
Speaker 2: spending energy digesting cheetos. It's it's it's all there.
Speaker 4: She is all working towards the goals that you have
Speaker 4: in mind.
Speaker 2: But for you again, it's uh, you know, it's interesting
Speaker 2: pull that Ace of disc you know, which I said
Speaker 2: could replace death, and the next guard I pulled out
Speaker 2: was Ace of Wands. For those two aces, that's there's
Speaker 2: only four in the whole deck. The aces represent the
Speaker 2: possibility of the entirety of it all. So Ace of
Speaker 2: diss is literally like all the all the cards that
Speaker 2: are pinnacle cards, it's all within that one ace.
Speaker 4: You want some more money, it's there. I see you
Speaker 4: as a producer, oz, do you like?
Speaker 2: Because yeah, like I see when I for some reason
Speaker 2: when I was like aceve just and as of one like,
Speaker 2: I think there's a concept you can sell. I'm produced
Speaker 2: to yourself. So you can either be the talent or
Speaker 2: not be the chalent, your greatest talent. You're so greedy
Speaker 2: and talented, but like if you just want to like
Speaker 2: libras also like to sit back and be beautiful and
Speaker 2: make all the money while someone else toils away.
Speaker 1: I'm not money obsessed, Okay, I swear I'm so well security.
Speaker 1: It's not security, it doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: Be my it's security then whatever that means, like emotional financials.
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying you're stressed about money, but with
Speaker 2: that ace of just it's like, listen, you're probably not,
Speaker 2: but you could also bring in a lot. You have
Speaker 2: the possibility right to bring I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I've been broke for so long that I'm just
Speaker 1: like it'll work out, Like, just do things that you love.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that you can have Do you see
Speaker 2: yourself with a lot of money? Actually, though, well, do
Speaker 2: you talk yourself down.
Speaker 1: I would love to own a house, but jeez, Louise,
Speaker 1: in this world, this economy, my dream is to have
Speaker 1: a house with a bunch of tortoises in the backyard.
Speaker 1: That is like my ultimate dream and that is what
Speaker 1: I will get.
Speaker 2: YEA.
Speaker 1: So that does require money, But what I don't want
Speaker 1: is to fear having money, like I just I've had
Speaker 1: that my whole life and I don't want that.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think that's the thing
Speaker 4: to dig into.
Speaker 2: That's fear part. So I will say this, like as
Speaker 2: far as fear, because fear, you know, so like I said,
Speaker 2: it's so ubiquitous and overwhelming, but it's also it's really
Speaker 2: helpful sometimes too, right, Like fear will stop you from
Speaker 2: getting in somebody's drunk car to drive home, like no thanks.
Speaker 2: I So that's what I'm saying, fear is helpful. So
Speaker 2: one of the things I used to do and I
Speaker 2: don't have to do it consciously anymore because it sounds
Speaker 2: a little nerdy, but it may help you. Is like,
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm feeling really fearful or worried or
Speaker 2: especially with fear, you know, overwhelmed by it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm about to spiral down. I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, fear, talk to the fear like, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for being a presence of my life,
Speaker 2: because clearly you've helped me. I have a lot of it.
Speaker 2: So clearly I needed a lot of fear because I
Speaker 2: have a ton of it. I said, but at this point,
Speaker 2: I feel like I really work through, I really appreciate
Speaker 2: the times where it's been helpful, and I want to
Speaker 2: send this fear to someone who actually needs it. And
Speaker 2: that sounds insane, but yet there is someone, huh, but
Speaker 2: there is someone in a war zone who needs fear
Speaker 2: because right they need to be in fire light because
Speaker 2: something's going they actually need fear, or they're in a
Speaker 2: bad situation with an abusive partner. They need a little
Speaker 2: fear to get the fuck out right. So that's what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I will just talk to my fear
Speaker 2: and send it along the way. And then the other
Speaker 2: thing is lastly, it's like I say, do seven year
Speaker 2: cycles of your life, So you picture yourself at seven
Speaker 2: years old, but instead of like right here in your mind,
Speaker 2: like I pictured almost like a small movie broadcasts on
Speaker 2: the across the room on a wall and a small screen.
Speaker 2: Why do I do that Because I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: relive all my emotional joy or pain from back then, right,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look at it like a director would like.
Speaker 2: So I'm picturing myself at seven years old, and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about how fear affected me at seven, and then
Speaker 2: I go fourteen years old, how did fear plan in
Speaker 2: my life? Then twenty one years old? Do seven year
Speaker 2: cycles and see if you can start to see a pattern.
Speaker 2: Those are all basic, like non magical things, but they
Speaker 2: work dovetail really well with then doing a terror reading
Speaker 2: with what you think about, what realization comes up. You
Speaker 2: then go to your cards and you go, Okay, I
Speaker 2: realized that when I was fourteen, this thing happened and
Speaker 2: it made me realize I you know, where I felt
Speaker 2: abandoned or I felt like I had money or right,
Speaker 2: whatever it was.
Speaker 4: And then you pull a card and you start to
Speaker 4: have a conversation with yourself.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense totally?
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 1: Okay, we've done way more time than I was even planning.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being so generous with your time. Wait
Speaker 1: real quickly, can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, do so?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev Please. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard the term EVP?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you know what it stands for? It's it's not
Speaker 1: so much of a test, not really, that's okay, Electric
Speaker 1: electronic voice phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Oh I had an app that's whatever? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, are apps? So it's basically when people believe
Speaker 1: that they've captured ghosts speaking. And what I do is
Speaker 1: I go to the trust your Internet, and I find
Speaker 1: two EVPs for my listeners or for my guests every
Speaker 1: single week, and I'm gonna play it. I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me what you hear, maybe make a guess,
Speaker 1: and then I'll give you some options, one of the
Speaker 1: options being what the person that posted it believed it said. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: the first one comes from TikTok and it's from at
Speaker 1: Whispering SPT or whisperings PT. I'm not sure whatever unknown location.
Speaker 1: What is it saying? Okay, that was kind of a
Speaker 1: long one. I know, I'll play it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, your wolf, you have no face? You know?
Speaker 1: That is not what Whispering thought that it said. Was
Speaker 1: it a what you heard about me is a lie
Speaker 1: very reality show? Is it B go through the Light?
Speaker 1: Love you bye? Was it C Sometimes when it's right,
Speaker 1: it's just right?
Speaker 2: Or was it D?
Speaker 1: Don't you remember Vine? I really loved Vine.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go for D, which is not what
Speaker 2: they thought and said, but it's what I want them
Speaker 2: to have, said a.
Speaker 1: Person on TikTok posting about Remember Vine they believe it
Speaker 1: was b go through the light, love you bye? Okay,
Speaker 1: I can hear it. Let's listen again right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it's a bit of a stretch because
Speaker 2: it also says like it's like ghost. I mean I heard,
Speaker 2: well not light. I think it could be. That's the
Speaker 2: kind of thing I would obsess about and slow it
Speaker 2: down and listen to it like ten times. But why
Speaker 2: would they be like go to the light? What do
Speaker 2: they want me to kill? Like? What? That sounds weird?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they were talking to themselves like a go
Speaker 1: through the light, love you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice? Who?
Speaker 1: Okay, there's one more. This one is from East Valley
Speaker 1: Paranormal on TikTok and they are an all female ghost
Speaker 1: hunting group in Arizona. And so shout out to the queens.
Speaker 2: So dry there it really is?
Speaker 1: And uh, what do you think this goes as saying?
Speaker 2: What do okay? I mean again, I'm the Queen of
Speaker 2: ockham raizoring this ship before we go to it? That
Speaker 2: goes I mean, I don't even I didn't even hear
Speaker 2: a word. I heard some birds tweeting.
Speaker 1: Rachel true, come on, it be a little fun, all right,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: All right? Play again, play it one more time. I
Speaker 2: heard get up, get up, and then the birds tweeted,
Speaker 2: so that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: All right, here's some options.
Speaker 2: Was it a.
Speaker 1: Excuse you? Was it b oh, it's you? Was it
Speaker 1: c oh, get you?
Speaker 2: Or d.
Speaker 1: That's cute? So they do a tongue pop and then
Speaker 1: they say that's cute. That's cute. Okay, now that you
Speaker 1: know those, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: I think that's cute.
Speaker 1: They believe it is. I'll get you and I come on,
Speaker 1: you don't hear this. Listen it goes oh, get you
Speaker 1: or I think it could be a tongue pop and
Speaker 1: then get you. Either way, I hear get you, Let
Speaker 1: me play it.
Speaker 2: Get you.
Speaker 1: Well, Rachel, this has been magical.
Speaker 2: Or two words tweeting what they have? All right, go ahead,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you wrap it up.
Speaker 1: But oh jesus, now I want you a TikTok account
Speaker 1: of you listening to EVPs and offering all the different
Speaker 1: things that happened.
Speaker 2: I know what I should. I'm on there. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: find you on there, ross because at first, first when
Speaker 2: I got on TikTok, I was like, what is it?
Speaker 2: How hole? And now I love it. You know, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it. And there's a lot of great information
Speaker 2: on there as well as a lot of shit, but
Speaker 2: there's also a lot of really good information.
Speaker 1: I still have not gotten into it, like as a
Speaker 1: poster person. Oh, nowadays I do look at them, but
Speaker 1: I don't get super again because like I get really
Speaker 1: like so many people. I don't know, I'm very weird.
Speaker 1: I'm getting over.
Speaker 2: That's not so weird. It's like I said, I think
Speaker 2: you are perfect candidate to use your taro deck and
Speaker 2: go and do that seven year, fourteen year, twenty one year,
Speaker 2: Like what is it?
Speaker 4: Because at some point when we're little kids.
Speaker 2: Were like, hello, look at me. You know what you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? We are so like at a
Speaker 2: certain point that switched, but not entirely because look at you.
Speaker 2: You like a little attention, you like fabulousness, you like performing.
Speaker 2: But then so I'm like, dig in there, because at
Speaker 2: some point something happened where perhaps getting attention was negative.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I've worked a lot with my therapist.
Speaker 1: It's actually control stuff, I think, because oh I like
Speaker 1: attention if I can control it. I like attention if
Speaker 1: it's in like a room where I'm doing stand up.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when the entire internet is watching me.
Speaker 3: Do you knew what?
Speaker 2: Like? And we're signing off now. But I love that
Speaker 2: you said that because I just said to my friend yesterday,
Speaker 2: like the two things I'm sure of. Used to only
Speaker 2: be sure of one thing that I know nothing or
Speaker 2: very little, but now I'm sure two things I know
Speaker 2: very little, and ultimately I cannot control anyone else, you know,
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people's issues come from
Speaker 2: control of themselves, are trying to control other people. And
Speaker 2: I'll say it for me, like every time we've had
Speaker 2: a break up, like but it's almost like I can't
Speaker 2: can't believe it happened to me, like bitch, but your
Speaker 2: ego in check, Yes, it happened to you, and you
Speaker 2: cannot and you cannot control someone else's behaviors. So I
Speaker 2: love that you know that, ras and like, I don't
Speaker 2: mean to harp on that at the end. It's just
Speaker 2: most people don't get it when they're like I'm mad
Speaker 2: at you because you didn't take me here.
Speaker 4: It's like you cannot control anyone else.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't date, because if I'm dating someone, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the boss Oh my god, I bet you we're
Speaker 1: gonna eat what I want tonight.
Speaker 2: Oh that is control.
Speaker 1: Look at you. I'm like so controlling. I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I'm only you know what I've realized.
Speaker 2: I didn't never thought I was. But I'm very controlling
Speaker 2: with myself. Like I like to I'm a homebody because
Speaker 2: I'm in control, same of my same. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like this is the one thing I like.
Speaker 2: I'm a night ol. That's a childhood holdover. But also
Speaker 2: I think it's about control. Like nobody will call or
Speaker 2: bother me or make me do anything at two am.
Speaker 2: You know. So again, the taro is really great because
Speaker 2: control issues. First of all, they're there in place for
Speaker 2: a reason. They helped you, you know, they helped you
Speaker 2: feel in control.
Speaker 1: But now someone that needs control, I want them to
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 2: That's right. You have to give it away.
Speaker 4: If to Jana Jackson, release that control exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, go do a charity. Let's control how people can
Speaker 1: get your book. Oh, tell them all about it.
Speaker 2: It's first of all, it's a major Everybody's like, do
Speaker 2: you sell it out of the back of your car?
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I have It's that a major publisher.
Speaker 2: You can get it at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 1: I thought, at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, take a picture girl, next time. You
Speaker 2: see what I love singing in the wild. I don't
Speaker 2: know what if you if you write a book, you'll
Speaker 2: still get what I'm saying, like, there's something kind of
Speaker 2: neat about your book in a bookstore, because there's so
Speaker 2: a few bookstores but Amazon. But also it's a really
Speaker 2: great time to support your local indie bookstore, which may
Speaker 2: not have it in but you can order it and
Speaker 2: it'll come in in a couple of days from them,
Speaker 2: and that's one way to support a small business. I
Speaker 2: do have a patron I never talk about it because
Speaker 2: I like it small. I like it being small, and
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I do because I
Speaker 2: enjoy talking about taro. So I didn't actually want to
Speaker 2: grow it too a million people. But at this point
Speaker 2: it's a great little tarot talk And if you google
Speaker 2: Rachel True and Patreon you'll find it. And if you
Speaker 2: can't be bothered to do that, you don't probably need
Speaker 2: to be in the class. Oh wait, and then I'm
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I guess I'm still on Instagram and my
Speaker 2: story's more. I think I'm true Rachel True on there,
Speaker 2: I'm on TikTok. I'm verified. There's six million clones of
Speaker 2: me though, grifting people for terror reading, so make sure
Speaker 2: to see that I the verified account. Those are all
Speaker 2: the places I hang out, I guess amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, this has been five years in the making and
Speaker 1: you have not disappointed. This is so cool. You've been
Speaker 1: an amazing guest, so thank you for doing this.
Speaker 2: It was so great to see you and Hannah. Wait
Speaker 2: for your TV sure show. I cannot wait to see it.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited, and I do want to go ghost
Speaker 2: hunting so that I'm slightly less cynical about ghosts right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it all right, all right? Bye?
Speaker 2: Bye?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Rachel True. Be sure to
Speaker 1: go check out all the stuff that she does. Follower
Speaker 1: get the book. I could listen to her tell stories
Speaker 1: for hours. Ugh. Okay, we have got so many fun
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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start,
Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.