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Speaker 1: What's that ad? It's spooky Joky. I'm really sure it's dead.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I ghosted I days.

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Speaker 1: Pa, Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 1: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I like to talk

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Speaker 1: to people that I like about mysterious shit. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by an absolute icon of horror, a true legend, and

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Speaker 1: not only does horror. I mean this guest today, Rachel True.

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Speaker 2: She's working non stop.

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Speaker 1: You might know her from Half and Half, Half Baked,

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Speaker 1: the Gregor Rokey classic Nowhere, but of course we most

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Speaker 1: know her and love her as a spooky weirdos from

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Speaker 1: The Craft. She played Rochelle and the Craft. That movie

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Speaker 1: life changing for so many of us. And I have

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Speaker 1: had the honor of knowing Rachel a bit for a while,

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Speaker 1: and finally the day has come. I ran into her

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Speaker 1: at a horror convention. I said, Rachel, come on, come on, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: you gotta come on the show. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you how many people have requested Rachel True come

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Speaker 1: on the show, and we finally got her. She's also

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Speaker 1: honestly a legendary tarot card reader. She's very well known

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Speaker 1: as a Tarot reader. She even has a book about it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that she's got Tarot dex. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's incredible, and I also had the honor of having

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Speaker 1: her read me just a little bit. So let's just

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Speaker 1: get into it. Here is my conversation with Rachel True

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Speaker 1: and with the show. You guys, I am joined at

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Speaker 1: last by Honestly, I'm gonna say the most requested guest

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Speaker 1: I have had the past nearly five years of doing

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Speaker 1: this show, Rachel True.

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Speaker 2: Hello, what seriously, that's thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was lucky enough to run into

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Speaker 2: the fabulous rosin person not that long ago, and well,

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Speaker 2: the first thing I said was do you just stare

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Speaker 2: in the mirror and go, I'm so pretty? I'm so pretty?

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Speaker 1: And then sometimes I leave the house. I people. You

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Speaker 1: don't know how many times people have said to me,

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Speaker 1: did you know that Rachel True is a really a

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Speaker 1: Tarot reader? You have to have her on your pie

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, not only did I know that? I

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Speaker 1: know Rachel True as well? I know the I know

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Speaker 1: Rachel True a bit. So it's finally worked out to

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Speaker 1: have you here, and this is exciting for me.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's exciting for me because I love this subject matter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean we we know you're a terror

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Speaker 1: reader you wrote this.

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Speaker 2: Wait, let me correct that because I am a Tarra reader,

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Speaker 2: but I also am a Tara author, because I think

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Speaker 2: that there is maybe even in my own mind, Roz,

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Speaker 2: we're connotation to Tyra reader. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: You picture them in it in like a book in

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Speaker 2: the back of the bodega.

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Speaker 3: Reading cards or worse worse, TikTok readers have ruined everything

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Speaker 3: for me, Roz, because if I see another newbile twenty

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Speaker 3: year old pull out like the Three of Swords, rub

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Speaker 3: it on her tits and go they're coming.

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Speaker 2: Back, which, like I can't take it anymore. First of all,

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Speaker 2: three of Swords a heartbreak card. They're probably not coming back.

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Speaker 2: The heartbreak's probably fresh. And second of all, what do

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Speaker 2: your tits have to do? Tits are great, I have them,

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Speaker 2: I you know, I live with them. But what does

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Speaker 2: that have to do with your reading? And that's why

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Speaker 2: I wrote the book so that people could learn to

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Speaker 2: read their own cards, because I started reading at like eight,

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Speaker 2: and I think it is so important and empowering to

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Speaker 2: learn to read your own cards rather than rely on

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Speaker 2: some random terror reader out there reading. But think about it,

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Speaker 2: it's Tara reader on Instagram or wherever.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying there's not good readers on there. There

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Speaker 2: They're reading for the mass as if it's an astrology.

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Speaker 2: It's not. It's literally very specific to you. If I

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Speaker 2: read for you, ras, I'm picking up on your energy, right,

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Speaker 2: so I can do a sort of collective thing, but

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Speaker 2: it's not as helpful, I think. Listen, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of Vegas card sharks slinging Tarot cards out there. Everybody

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Speaker 1: Serious, So how does somebody sniff out a bad Tarot reader?

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Speaker 2: Oh? You know what I'm gonna say, It's tough because

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Speaker 2: it to end, you have no discernment, and you're literally

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Speaker 2: gonna pick the reading like you would pick a TV show.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go on YouTube and you're gonna go, well,

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Speaker 2: it says they're coming back on this one, so oh,

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Speaker 2: listen to this one. And then a couple months later,

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Speaker 2: when you're a little weeks later, days later, when you're

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Speaker 2: which is fun and entertaining, but it's not a personal reading.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't get things out of that

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Speaker 2: But my whole thing about learning to read for yourself

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Speaker 1: I sound yeah, I because that's I have a long

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Speaker 1: history with Taro with I want so badly to be

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Speaker 1: that lady in the back of the bodega. That's like

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Speaker 1: my dream, Like I really right there, yeah, very much

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Speaker 1: want like just I don't know, scarves everywhere and like

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Speaker 1: dim lighting. I actually have in my home like one

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Speaker 1: of those big neon signs from a tarot reader place.

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Speaker 1: I just love, I love or and I even think

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Speaker 1: that like just the writer wait decks, like I think

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Speaker 1: love Taro, But I cannot comprehend it. Listen. So if

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Speaker 2: If that's not First of all, it's perfectly fine to

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Speaker 2: look things up. What do you like a pro taro

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Speaker 2: reader grifting for money in times square? Then you don't

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Speaker 2: need one day? God will it? If I'm lucky, then

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Speaker 2: you listen. If you're reading for money, you should know

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Speaker 2: the cards inside and out. Period. But if you're just

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Speaker 2: reading for yourself, look things up. In fact, I know

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Speaker 2: the cards inside out. I know all seventy eight cards,

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Speaker 2: but I still will look up an interpretation. Why because

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Speaker 2: there's so many different schools of thought. Right, So you

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Speaker 2: what this person, what Rachel Pollak says compared to this person,

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Speaker 2: compared to what I put in my book all going

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Speaker 2: to be similar but different. And there you can just

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Speaker 2: keep expanding. And the other thing about Tara cards is

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Speaker 2: my definition. My interpretation of them changes constantly, or as

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Speaker 2: I learn. So I hear you that you can't read

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Speaker 2: it or learn it for yourself. But like, and I

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Speaker 2: don't even have my book here, I'm the worst. I

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Speaker 2: have the box, I don't have the book. Right, But

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Speaker 2: there's a full side. There's a big book in there

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Speaker 2: which also is memoir essays in it. Twenty two Memories

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Speaker 2: is about my sort of gen X life. But basically

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Speaker 2: I break it down and if you ever spent more

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Speaker 2: than three hours, give yourself three hours to learn a deck,

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Speaker 2: and you'll probably know the ins and outs, because I

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Speaker 2: bet you you've never done that. I know you've pulled

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Speaker 2: out your cards and you've read them, but have you

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Speaker 2: ever actually spent a couple hours learning the cards? No?

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Speaker 2: I have, I have you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But what I will say, I have read your book,

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Speaker 1: but I read mainly just the essays. Like that was

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Speaker 1: like the I was like, oh, I want to hear

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Speaker 1: more stories from read no listen.

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Speaker 2: I actually appreciate that because I worked really really hard

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Speaker 2: on that book. I wrote it by'm a big girl self.

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Speaker 2: It was challenging project. But the way I break it

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Speaker 2: down in the book makes it simple. Like if you

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Speaker 2: try to learn seventy eight cards, that's very intimidating, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know seventy eight anything, but if

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Speaker 2: you start thinking about it. There's four suits in the

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Speaker 2: deck that represent earth, air, fire, water. You know that

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Speaker 2: cups pentacles, right, is.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, wands.

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Speaker 2: And swords, so those all correspond those are that's four

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Speaker 4: Earth that's earth energy.

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Speaker 2: It's like practical day to day things, money, Air, that's mind,

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Speaker 2: which represents swords, which is your intellect and you know,

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Speaker 2: making decisions and things like that. Cups your emotions which

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Speaker 2: is water. And what do I leave at wands which

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Speaker 2: is your fiery creative energy. So you can You're not

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Speaker 2: gonna learn them as like just say them now, but

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Speaker 2: if you learn those four things, that's it, right.

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Speaker 1: And numerology too, right, Yes, that was my next thing.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if you learn ten things, all

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Speaker 2: fourteen things altogether, which is the four suits that I

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Speaker 2: just mentioned, and then I break it down in the book,

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Speaker 2: I talk about the numerology of the cards. So let's

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Speaker 2: say I say to you five. You know, twos is

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Speaker 2: just trying to juggle on life. But what twos represents

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Speaker 2: take five because that's a difficult number in numerology, not difficult,

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Speaker 2: but it represents change. So it can be either good change,

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Speaker 2: bad change, but change even if it's great. Change can

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Speaker 2: often feel like sandpaper on the skin, right, like friction.

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Speaker 4: So if I say to you swords five of swords.

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Speaker 2: And you've never picked up a deck, You've never been

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Speaker 2: conflict and change and swords is mind and words, well

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Speaker 2: five card then represents perhaps some conflict in how you communicate.

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Speaker 2: Or let's take the five of cups conflict and change.

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Speaker 2: But we're talking about cups, which is what roz your

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Speaker 1: Water life, Yeah, your water. You cut me off.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, because I realized I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: I didn't kidd at all.

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Speaker 2: I don't I might learner. No, it's fine, and I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of feeding through it. But my point is, if

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Speaker 2: you learn in numerology, you know conflict and change. Five. Now,

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Speaker 2: the five of cups, it's going to be me perhaps

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Speaker 2: conflict and change or resolution of conflict and change. Those

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Speaker 2: So any five is going to present a little conflict

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Speaker 2: in change challenge and how you respond to that is

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Speaker 2: where you're at in life. Like, let's take another card,

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Speaker 2: the High Priestess.

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Speaker 1: Do you know her ros she's sickening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like when I first started reading tarot, and

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Speaker 2: that was again I was very young. But let's say

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Speaker 2: when I really dealt in, I had a deck where

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Speaker 2: the High Priestess looked like the meanest Catholic nun you've

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, f the High priest is I

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Speaker 2: don't even get that. Now that I'm a grown up,

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Speaker 2: I get why I was like that, because the High

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Speaker 2: Priestess represents wisdom and knowledge but also the ability to

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Speaker 2: shut your trap, Rachel. That's why I didn't get it

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Speaker 2: when I was younger, because I'm a talker and edit

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Speaker 2: a neurotic. So I had to learn about the High

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Speaker 2: Priest's card where she knows enough to keep her mouth shut.

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Speaker 2: And I really I had copious grimoires, meaning just notebooks

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Speaker 2: So that all of that really helped me get to

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Speaker 2: but it's calming to me. And I didn't grow up.

428
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Everyone's parents mostly did the best they could, even if

429
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't what you wanted. But I don't think I

430
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: was taught South soothing. We're gen X. They were like,

431
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, that's what like that was the

432
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: comfort we got, like stop your whining. So you know,

433
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: developing a pattern to comfort myself was important. And I

434
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: encourage everyone listening to go out there and get a jack,

435
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: whether it's mine or anyone else is like my deck

436
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: I designed to feel like a closer. You're hanging out

437
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: with a good friend, not a friend of me, like

438
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: a friend you love. And I feel like a favorite blanket.

439
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: Now I have many decks. I pull out the thoughts

440
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: deck when I'm like, give it to me, brutal, kill me,

441
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: kill me, now, tell me. I want to see the blood.

442
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: So he'll drag up that you know and like ride

443
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: or wait. Fantastic deck to start on. Even though it's

444
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: mostly you know, the original images by Pamela Colman Smith,

445
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: who is mixed. They're very Anglo images, right, So it's

446
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: like once we get past that and we just look

447
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: at the imagery itself and.

448
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 4: The story it is telling.

449
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: Writer Wait Smith does one of the best jobs in

450
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: storytelling because ra's the magic isn't in the card. If

451
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: I pull out this card and I say what do

452
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: you see in this card? You're going to see.

453
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: Something completely different than what I'm going to see.

454
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: You know, you may look at him and be like

455
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: them and be like cups, Yeah, like what do you

456
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: when you look at this card? What is your into?

457
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 4: A can tell you right now what are you getting

458
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: from this card? And I'm sure it's hard to see,

459
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: but you can tell.

460
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm getting that he is like, honey, it is all good.

461
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: Like he's just like looking at the room like everyone

462
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: wants to be me, but I'm good with it, Like

463
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm in a good place and it's all good.

464
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love your interpretation of that, by the way,

465
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: because first of all, I say true or intuitive terraak

466
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: because we want you to use your intuition. That's literally

467
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: what you just did, right. It also is at work.

468
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: Cards which confuse people so much, are just simply other people.

469
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: But mostly they are sides of ourselves. That's it. It's

470
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: a side of yourself, so around and this surrounds emotional

471
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: life pups. Right, So you know what this tells me

472
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: about ros That Ross is probably in a pretty good place.

473
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying emotionally and secure wise, Like no, I'm pretty good,

474
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: but inside yourself, I could be totally wrong. You can

475
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: get off and be like I cry every day. I

476
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm saying you your interpret your impression

477
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: of this card is very upbeat. I look at him

478
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: because I'm cynical today and I'm like, he's like, I'm

479
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna take you out on a date, but it's a

480
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: disc cup for that cup, I'm like a little boy

481
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: with my cups. That's literally my interpretation of it today.

482
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: Something I'm going to be emotionally draining to me. Now,

483
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: that is the LoVa. If you were to reverse this card,

484
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: meaning and reversals are just blocked and energy people. Right,

485
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: it's either upright and flowing in a good vibe or

486
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: it's reversed and it's a little block. And how you

487
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: can tell is, let's say, for example, me if I

488
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: got this card and I'm looking at the King of

489
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Cups and today I'm not seeing his joyful side like

490
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: ros did. I'm seeing someone's gonna drown me in their

491
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 2: fucking river at the bottom. So that's but who does

492
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: I give you insight to me right now about men? Right?

493
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: So again, it's very like if we look at anyone

494
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: from the past and ignore their horrible misogyny, racism and

495
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: everything else. Right, So let's take a young Carl Young

496
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: who you know, let's forget what he said about lots

497
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: of groups of people who do didn't look exactly like him.

498
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: But some of the psychology things that Carl Jung was

499
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: talking about, they're all in this deck. This is literally

500
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: the fool's journey, you know, the arc type of being

501
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: born till when you die, and these are YOUNGI and

502
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: arch types. So I think it's, like I said, it's

503
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: a way to psychoanalyze yourself. But by doing that, you

504
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: free yourself of your ego and your bullshit, and then

505
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: you're able to lock into what you're truly feeling instead

506
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: of the mask we wear all the time.

507
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm an obsessive fan,

508
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: but I've also I also have the audible recording of

509
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: you tell to you actually speaking of and like, I'm

510
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: having this problem that I have sometimes when I have

511
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: on guests where I'm like, I'm I feel like an

512
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: audience member. I forget that I'm also on this podcast

513
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: right now because I'm like so like into every second

514
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: of what you're saying. Have you ever, like, I mean,

515
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've like taught classes and stuff, right Like

516
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: you seem like a professor. How much you know about

517
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: this now?

518
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm just old.

519
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about like a couple of

520
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: other things too. First of all, do you consider this

521
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: like paranormal? Like when you hear that word paranormal, does

522
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: that like go along with taro for you, I'm gonna.

523
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Say yes and no. Like when I was younger.

524
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: Sure, I loved it when I was a kid, Like

525
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: I got my first deck at eight, and I was.

526
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: Like, oh, witches, you know what I mean. It's like

527
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm just so expogic, which is now as a grown

528
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: I sort of look at it as Yes, it's a

529
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: part of that. It's a gateway drug to opening up

530
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: your psychic abilities. You can quote me on that. That's great,

531
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But it is it's a

532
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: bit of a gateway drug to opening that up. Buying

533
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: a deck or being gifted at decks suddenly make you

534
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: like the world's greatest psychic no or intuitive person. Know,

535
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: you have to develop it.

536
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: It's a muscle like anything else.

537
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: So first, being paranormal, it is useful for those situations,

538
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: but I don't actually look at it as Colonel. It

539
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: can tell your future, but not until you're clear about

540
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: your present. That's kind of the truth, you know. Chris

541
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: carl Jung says, the best way to interpret I'm paraphrasing,

542
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: the best way to predict the future is to understand

543
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: how the present evolved out of the past. That's psychology,

544
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: not magic, right, but it is kind of I think

545
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: the alchemy of figuring out yourself is magical. By the way,

546
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: and you've probably had here's a thing I'm gonna segue

547
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: into this because I'm sort of embarrassed I haven't had.

548
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: You know, Everyone's like I see ghosts every day, Rachel.

549
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't, like, I don't at all. I

550
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: wish I don't wish I did. But I think some

551
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: people are Claire, you know, Claire Audi and Claire Visual, Claire,

552
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: all these different Claires that you can be Claire sentient,

553
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: Claire Danes, Claire Danes. I'm not very Claar dance today.

554
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: But I don't really see things as much as I

555
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: sense or hear, like I'm more clear audio audio.

556
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: Audience, Audiah audience girl.

557
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, because like when i'm when my intuition

558
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: kicks in, it's usually like this little like a rustling

559
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: noise in the back of my head, and that's probably

560
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: my sign to like pay attention to whatever little whisper

561
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: is floating through my head.

562
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: But it's more like I hear it or I see.

563
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: It in my mind. I rather than there's a kind

564
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: of strung like I wish, But you know, I've been

565
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: places cities where I can kind of be there and

566
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: and look around and kind of almost see sometimes things

567
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: shift to a different time. But I think that's time travel.

568
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Really think you shut time travel.

569
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: I don't know time travel, but I've always felt like

570
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: I like fall through time, right. And then I'm on

571
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: TikTok listening to the girl and was like, I have

572
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: time blindness. I can't show up anywhere on time. Wow.

573
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 2: And I was like I knew what. I actually hear her.

574
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Everyone's making fun of her, but I kind of understand

575
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: what she's saying. Now. The other thing is like eighteen

576
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: year old well then said it alarm.

577
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, like I thought, what you're gonna talk about

578
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: TikTok is there's there's a whole thing. I mean, people

579
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: have done this on YouTube or whatever for forever where

580
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: it's like somebody with like their voices distorted and like

581
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: they've come back from the year twenty fifty so and

582
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: they're here to tell you everything that's happened.

583
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean, again, I wish, but like nice grifted, that's

584
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: what I say.

585
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: I always am like, let me just hear them out.

586
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: Does it say anything about me being president.

587
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: What sign are you?

588
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm a Libra.

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, well, okay, that's oh, that makes

590
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: sense why you're so pretty.

591
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: Libras are all about resignment and beauty and all those

592
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: and air sign but I'm surprised you'll hear them out.

593
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: Maybe it is yourn airs, like because I'm a water side,

594
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, shut up your big phony.

595
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe any of it, and I

596
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: do want to scroll past. But I also have time

597
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: on my hands. Well I'll just.

598
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: Girl, so do I.

599
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: But when I said time traveler, what I meant by

600
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: that when I was younger is I could be sitting

601
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: here and just this is an endpath thing, which is

602
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: what I'm working on. My next book is about for

603
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: m pass. But I can be sitting here and then

604
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: like a memory will come in, but it's all of

605
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm there, like the smells, the sounds, the

606
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: taste of being there. So that may be just an

607
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: actor thing, but it literally will feel like I'm sliding through,

608
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: you know. And so what I've started to do is

609
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: when I end up sliding through and I'm like in

610
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn apartment I had when I was nineteen, you know,

611
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden I'm there. Instead of being

612
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: like whoa, it's opening like I normally am, I'm like, oh,

613
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 2: let me clean, let me fluff that, and give her

614
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: a pep talk. You know I'm here. Yeah, So I

615
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: don't know if she's hearing me, meet young me. It's

616
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: hearing me or seeing me. But I'm like, caln, I

617
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: shift the future that way. I won't say when I

618
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: was young. Ever, since I was very little, I dealt

619
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: with sleep paralysis a lot, and I feel it's so rough. Man.

620
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: It's not as bad now that I'm a grown up,

621
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: but it would happen.

622
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: You sleep on your back.

623
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: I'm a sound sleeper, actually sometimes on my back like

624
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: a corpse. But then I'm like, what if I die

625
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: like this? That's weird.

626
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: So does it happen? How does it happen? Like how

627
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: are you saying?

628
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: It could happen anytime? Like as a kid on my

629
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: back on my side in a car, in a thing.

630
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: But I would be hyper aware that I was awake

631
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: and I'm in a car.

632
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: I have never even heard somebody's tell I mean, it

633
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: would make that it could happen anywhere, But like, oh,

634
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: that's scary.

635
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: In a car is like an eight year old and

636
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: and the thing that happens for me is like, because

637
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: you're not a dream state at first, I'll force myself

638
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: to go back into one, but like you're really aware

639
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: you're in your body, you cannot move it. You feel

640
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: like you're paralyzed, and you're might be in a you

641
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: think you're in a coma or something like that. And

642
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: when it happened in the car, I was like floating

643
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: above myself, kind of watching myself sleep. And I remember

644
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: as a kid being worried, I can't do that. You

645
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: have to stay with your body because A you don't

646
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: want to be paralyzed, but b you're in a car,

647
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Like what if? What if you leave your body and

648
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: you can't get back to it? That was my eight

649
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: year old break or what if?

650
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Like a freeway sign was all of that's right.

651
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: They clocked me on that, But I do think, you know,

652
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot of theories, like back in the Middle Ages,

653
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: they were like, it's because a demon is sitting on

654
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: your chest. Reach that's what I thought, But I think that, uh,

655
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis is an in between state that can be

656
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: utilized for astral production totally.

657
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: That's what I think, you know, And so as an adult,

658
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: I don't freak out about it.

659
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: I go, oh, okay, I'm dreaming. Great, let's see what

660
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: I can do. You know, Can I walk to the moon?

661
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: And I try to be consciously maneuvered. It's a little

662
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: tougher though, because sometimes it's scary. You're like aware that

663
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: you're asleep, but maybe you're not. I've had a couple

664
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: of times where it did feel like someone was entering

665
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: into the room and watching me, and I was like,

666
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: is I just are in Venice? When I lived in Venice?

667
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: And I was like, is it an alien? Because You're like,

668
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: it could be. I don't know.

669
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: I always say about sleeperroll, this is you know a

670
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: lot of people have to say, oh, there's scientific reasons

671
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: why it happens, Sure, great, whatever, But I also think

672
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: that it also can be like that could be a

673
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: real energy of some sort. It could be a spirit,

674
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: it could be I don't know.

675
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: I do wonder, but I'm not sure. But here, well,

676
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: let me tell you about my latest crisis. Because you know,

677
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm all woo woo and whatever. That's the most airy

678
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: fairy because I'm not actually very practical with my Capricorn rising,

679
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm the first to be like prove it. Yeah,

680
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very cynical when it comes to stuff

681
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: like that. But one of the things I'm trying to

682
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: write through and work for right now, because I'm like,

683
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: all right, writing this book for empaths and how amazing

684
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: it is to be so sensitive. And you know, the

685
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: kids are so overwhelmed by it, right They're like, I'm

686
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: an EmPATH and you know, so it's kind of like

687
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: for that if you're feeling overwhelmed. But and I was

688
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: so gung ho, and then I had to do a routine.

689
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: I was having stomach issues, had to do a routine

690
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: procedure to exploratory just to check out my gut, and

691
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: I fucking have an allergic reaction. I ask for it.

692
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: They have to intubate, Like I almost die because I'm

693
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: allergic to whatever anesthesia there there, you know, And I

694
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: wake up in a puddle of my own vombit. I'm like, oh,

695
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: I got it. So anyway, the week all that to say,

696
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: the next five days after that, this is like two

697
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: months ago. All I could think was, there's nothing, There's nothing,

698
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: You're just dead. If you die, you're just dead, because

699
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: I was really freaked out because I thought the last

700
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: thing I'd be dead, like if they hadn't managed to

701
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: revive me, I just begad. And so that kind of

702
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: threw me into a chizzy of like what if there's

703
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: not And I've never actually felt like I don't feel

704
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: like there's nothing. I'm just wor you know, these are

705
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: the things I talked through with myself. People who are listening.

706
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I believe what I'm saying. Is this

707
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: what I love to do s her for to help

708
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: me suss out my uh, you know, conflicting opinions on things, right, But.

709
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: That's also the human experience, I think, so to not

710
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: know and to question and have moments where.

711
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: But I was so sure before it happened.

712
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Have you ever like you kind of touched on this

713
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: but whether you believe it or not or whatever, have

714
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: you had experiences where you're like, I think that was

715
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: a ghost or I was out of place and everyone

716
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: else said that that was a ghost, but I don't

717
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: believe it, or like I don't know anything like that.

718
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: No, I definitely, like I said, I don't see I

719
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: sensed more, but sure I've definitely been in many places

720
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: that I'm like, the ground is sour, you know, it's

721
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: crazy out there, like energetically. Like I was in New

722
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Orleans last year working, and that's a really conflicted, haunted city. Man. Yeah,

723
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: you know, with a lot of there's a lot of

724
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: anger underneath it too. And I mean the people I'm

725
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: talking about the actual ground in history, there's a lot

726
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: of tension there and that to me is a lot

727
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: is a lot of those unsettled spirits, right who haven't

728
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: left maybe because of the trauma that was inflicted. I

729
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: did go to one of the cemeteries that's slightly outside

730
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: of New Orleans, and it has it has a beautiful

731
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: pyramid shape crip. That's why I wanted to go there,

732
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, and photograph it. But so I'm walking around

733
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: in the area I'm in in the cemetery. It was

734
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: called Millionaire's Row, you know, very fancy section of the

735
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: cemetery that like in eighteen ninety six, that's where you

736
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: would have been buried if you were fancy. And I'd

737
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: taken all these pictures, absolutely stunning, and then all of

738
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 2: a sudden, I went it hit me like a bolt

739
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: of lighting. It wasn't from me. It was like from

740
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: above or the side. It was like you were in

741
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: the la siu dad de las bertas time to leave.

742
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Like it was so strong that this message was like great, great,

743
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: time to go. And I was like, okay, okay, now

744
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: is that a ghost? Is that a thing? Is that?

745
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: I feel like? It's like messages can come from anywhere, right,

746
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that was from a deceased

747
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: ghost or a spirit or I don't know that I

748
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: necessarily like these are my guides, but I do know

749
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: there's been times in life where I haven't listened. Like,

750
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: let me tell you. When I was a kid, I

751
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: was used to complain that my dad didn't buy that

752
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: loft in Soho for five thousand dollars. How could you

753
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: pass that up? That's what it was that he could

754
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: have done, right. But as an adult I had a

755
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: little messenger from God sit down at my table. This

756
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: is at the Kentucky Derby literally say to me, sitting

757
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: chatting with us, and then goes this horse do that.

758
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: And I'm not a gambler, So I was like, wait,

759
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: I didn't fat on it, but if I didn't also

760
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: that this for other people listening or get insecure about

761
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: how they look. I seriously, the only reason I think

762
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: I did not get up and go make this bet

763
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: at the time is I just felt uncomfortable in my body.

764
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: You know, maybe my weight was heavy or I didn't

765
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: like whatever it was. I was like, oh, I'm just

766
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: gonna sit here, bitch. If I just wind place or

767
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: showed I would walk with a million dollars based on

768
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: a fifty dollars bet.

769
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: So that's like an angel message that I missed.

770
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: We all have the no girl, and I knew it.

771
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I should get up, and there was

772
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: a voice, the little whispering said you should make this bet.

773
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: And I'm not, again not a gambler, but like fifty bucks, right,

774
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: I could have done that or whatever I did in

775
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: and I regret it. But we all have those moments

776
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: like I said, my dad not buying you know, a

777
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: loft and so for five thousand dollars, probably an angel

778
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: said to him there's a good yeah, here's the thing

779
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: you can get in on. He was like, no, thanks.

780
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: We all have these moments.

781
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 4: So now I just try to listen to where my

782
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 4: intuition is kind of crackling to.

783
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Just get up, make the bet or do the thing,

784
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: or take the chance or whatever it is to be bolder,

785
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, because I think a lot of us, including myself,

786
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: have a lot of fear. A lot of a lot

787
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: of our decisions are motivated by fear. A lot of

788
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: our anxieties and jealousies, they're motivated by fear, right, fear

789
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: of being abandoned alone or whatever it is. So I'm like, oh, okay,

790
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I get it. Like for me, it's about working through

791
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: that fear and then sometimes back to like ghosts and

792
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: stuff out there, I'm like, why are you still here?

793
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: Where's the here? Like it actually breaks me out sometimes

794
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: because I'm like this just is this just electricity, like

795
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: the the you know, essence of a ghost of a

796
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: ghost and the actual spirit is somewhere else Because it

797
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: makes me sad. Sometimes I'm like what if that's the

798
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: world spirit and they're just stuck there?

799
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of times it's sad. I yeah, right,

800
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: even like where it's like, no, this is a happy ghost,

801
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: but it's like yeah, but are you happy? But you're

802
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: like one of those people that is like happy because

803
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: they love talking about their high school days? Still, is

804
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: it like that kind of happened.

805
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: Fine, weren't you popular in high school? Though? Look at you?

806
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: No, I was not, but girl police, I didn't fierce

807
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: like this until a couple of years ago. Okay, one

808
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: thing that I really want to ask you about that

809
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: people love talking about, and I'm just curious if you

810
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on this being one of the most

811
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: iconic stars of one of the most iconic horror movies,

812
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: the whole idea of spooky things happen on the set

813
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: of spooky movies, like what do you what do you

814
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: think of that? I mean, did any of that happen

815
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: for you guys?

816
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, listen, they said they picked I think to just

817
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: sing meno mano mano is a faith, you know, that's

818
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: a spring in France.

819
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: I remember reading that your book and like, I actually

820
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: didn't know that.

821
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, which I which I kind

822
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: of like because I'm more of the I had to

823
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: head my bets in a kind of agnosticy way. I'm

824
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: like you, I don't know would be you know, So

825
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad we didn't use a real deity, you know

826
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Just in Okay, I don't want to

827
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: summon Kuthulu or whatever. I do think some things happened because,

828
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, Fruz and I were the two who were

829
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: into the subject matter, who drove our asses into I

830
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: don't even know how far deep Valley I had to

831
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: drive to go to Pat Devin, who was our witch consultant.

832
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: She had they were having a Beltane festival. So Fruz

833
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: and I are the two went to that and participated,

834
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: and we're really into it. So I think when you're

835
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: talking about a movie like this, sometimes, yes, sometimes those

836
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: things do happen, Like there was a white owl that

837
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: moved around from set to set. And I don't think

838
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: that people don't get about magic or you know, things

839
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: that are outside our perception, and to me, they're usually

840
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: kind of quiet. It's not suddenly like the big micheline

841
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: Man ghost Marshmallow puff Man appears outside your window and

842
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: it's a spectral phenomenon. That's just not how it happens.

843
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: It's more like an energy and a synchronicity. Like the store,

844
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: the witch store that was some dude's apartment actually, which

845
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: was a really cool apartment in East Hollywood.

846
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: When I first moved to La I looked up where

847
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: it was and still to this day, every time I

848
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: drive through Hollywood, I'm like, if I'm with them, and

849
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you recognize that?

850
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Right? It's right there on Holly. I think it's on

851
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Hollywood Boulevard, not even Sunset, it's Hollywood. So so that

852
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: was someone's apartment and they, you know, set decorated it

853
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: for the movie. So there was a table with hundreds

854
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: of journals on them, you know, or at least one

855
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: hundred or more. So we're like action rolling and the what.

856
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: I pick up a journal and I open it and

857
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: there's writing in it, and I'm like, oh wow, they're

858
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: so thorough, these Hollywood professionals. And then they're like cut

859
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: and the guy who's a partner's like, who's that's my journal?

860
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: That's why journal? Out of all those books, I stuck

861
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: it in there, and you picked up my journal. So

862
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's kind of magic in its own way,

863
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: isn't it that there was an energetic connection to this

864
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: thing that I just intuitively, out of all the ones,

865
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: that's the one because it probably had some energy coming

866
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: off it, rather than a blank set book that had

867
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: been bought just to be a prop.

868
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Do you know which goes along with your story of

869
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: when your TV broke and you know, gave you time

870
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: to focus.

871
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like if you start to pay attention

872
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: to the small things, right, So if you're just starting

873
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: out and you're like, oh, wow, I noticed that there's

874
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: this synchronicity here. If you start to pay attention to

875
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: the synchronicities, now, I don't mean go crazy and be

876
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: like I got to tote and that means like, girl,

877
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: it means you look at the clock probably you know,

878
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: because that's why I've got to say. This is where

879
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm a little cynical, right, I'm like, you have to

880
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: off and raiser things.

881
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: You have to get rid of.

882
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: What's the simplest explanation. You always have to look at

883
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: the simplest, you know, scientific way before you before you

884
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: go to the woo woo with things. But I don't know,

885
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: I know I'm digressing all over the place. I think

886
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: for me, I believe in it all. I just think

887
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: a healthy dose of skepticism is how we don't get

888
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: taken advantage of in this world. And let's face it,

889
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: like spirituality, tarot card seances, all of that, you know,

890
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: started with some real griftory people in America back one

891
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: hundred years ago or more, and it was a trend to,

892
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, set up a fake room and do you know,

893
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: like just put on a show really and my thing

894
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: is with Tara, like it's not a parlor trip actually,

895
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: so I that's probably why you don't see me doing

896
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: too many public readings. Although I dook a Patreon where

897
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: we talked taro and I'd read for people a little

898
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: bit on there. It's more of an informal tarot talk

899
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of learning, but it's not a proper

900
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: class class class saying, got time for that, frankly. But

901
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: I think it's about accepting there are lots of things

902
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: around that I don't know. Again, let's go back to

903
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: the ghost for a second. I've sat a freedom, you know,

904
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: because I feel like if your energy is bound here,

905
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: like to a barn in New Jersey, you deserve a

906
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: better life.

907
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I agree, but I also think sometimes

908
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: like if they don't want to be free, like if

909
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: they're like free me, baby, I want to go like okay,

910
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: then fine, maybe I'll help you, like I'll do my best.

911
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: But by the way, I did stay with a boyfriend

912
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: and his family's like it's we're our farmhouse is haunted.

913
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: That shit? Was that ghost? I was like, is it

914
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: a racist ghost because it seems to be really annoyed

915
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: with me the wife.

916
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: Why was it annoyed?

917
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: It could have probably wasn't anything to the race, but

918
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: it seemed like like I remember I put my cup

919
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: down and moved away. I'd come back in the room

920
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: and the cup is on the floor now and no

921
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: one had been in there, you know, And it wasn't

922
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: like I walked away in this ceramic teacup. I would

923
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: have noticed, you know, if I'd knocked it over. It

924
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: was moving things around, but it was doing it a lot,

925
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: a lot. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, I

926
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: guess when it's irritated. And I was like, just get

927
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: me out of it here then, because the last thing

928
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: I wanted like an angry ghost on my back.

929
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. These are the ghost

930
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: stories I'm looking for.

931
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: This is great. I don't really have to ready though,

932
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: like is it Although you know, after my dad died,

933
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: which was a long time ago in the early aughts,

934
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: I am so conscious of his energy around. Believe me,

935
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: I was sad I missed my dad that he died,

936
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: but I was like, she's your dad. You're here all

937
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: the time, Like go to the Yangsee River where you

938
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: said you wanted to go and you never got to go.

939
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: Like it actually started to feel like the energy was

940
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: there so much that I had to have like a

941
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: little chat and say, listen, it's all good, Like it's

942
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: all good if you're here because you feel dot dot

943
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: dot dot dot, whatever the stuff might be, it's all good.

944
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: It's all good because the thing I realized it's a

945
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: living person and listens to people who are like I

946
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: hate my parents, and I get it. Some of you

947
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: that's so valid, as your parents did you wrong, But

948
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: the rest of you, I'm like, listen, once they're dead,

949
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: there's no one to argue with accept their ghosts.

950
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: But when you say like his energy was around all

951
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: the time, Like what do you mean?

952
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know how you'll feel like again,

953
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: I don't really see there's a form of what over.

954
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: What I do is I'll walk in a room and

955
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: I'll just feel the energy from a section of the room.

956
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: You know, I suppose it's like when the cat stares

957
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: in the corner too long, You're like, what is there? Yeah,

958
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: are you looking at probably nothing, but it could be

959
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: a doorway to another dimension for all I know. You

960
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: know it could be. So I'll just feel like almost

961
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: like a heat signature thing over there. It's not eat necessarily,

962
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: but I'm saying almost like you would see a heat signature. Yeah.

963
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: So I you know, there's certain sections of rooms I

964
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: just won't want to sit in or be in if

965
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: I feel because my dad's energy felt like it felt bad,

966
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: like and this could all be a projection from my

967
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: mind grass, right, but I felt the energy and I

968
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: felt like said, there was like this heaviness to it,

969
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: and so that's why I was like, it's all good, man,

970
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's all good. There's

971
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: no need to feel heavy or bog down or tied

972
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: to this earth because of X, Y and Z. But

973
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: also my dad was his mother or grandmother was a

974
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: Romanian gypsy do so you know, I'd like to think

975
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 2: some of it came from there, right.

976
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And didn't she like see the future? Wasn't that

977
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: like something?

978
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little I mean you can't like, let's

979
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: sidebar to that. You can definitely use teraparts to tell

980
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: your future. Absolutely, They're a great tool. For helping you

981
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: develop your intuition and your you know, you're all your

982
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: clear senses to be able to tell the future. But again,

983
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: future to me is so malleable. It's all based on

984
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: your choices, right, So.

985
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: You don't think it's like predetermined, like you know.

986
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: I mean again, I'm agnostic. I'm like, yo, maybe yeah,

987
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: but I don't really know for sure. I don't think so.

988
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: I think we're presented with a fair amount of choices

989
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: and options. You know. I believe we have choices that

990
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 2: are so big they switch the path we're going down,

991
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: for sure. But we make those choices. So I think

992
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: everything's predetermined like a chess piece on a board, or

993
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: like a TV show that's already been filmed and we're

994
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: just playing through our parts. I don't I personally don't

995
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: feel that doesn't mean that's true. That's just my opinion.

996
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: For all I know, I'm like a non player character

997
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 4: in a shitty game.

998
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I want to do because we don't have

999
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: a ton more time.

1000
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: But if you can cut out the sections where I

1001
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: babble too much, right.

1002
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? What you might consider babbel is gold.

1003
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I like pull one card. If you

1004
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: could help me interpret ittely? Is one card like enough?

1005
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: That's usually what I do because I'm here's what I'm.

1006
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: Going to start. Yeah, sure, pull one card? Yep?

1007
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay? And do you recommend I ask a question of

1008
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: the deck or I think.

1009
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: It depends on what you want to do. I think

1010
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: it is helpful to ask a question. Decks are not

1011
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: always so great with you or no, because once again,

1012
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: that yes or no depends on what choice you make

1013
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: to get to that yes or no. Right, So I

1014
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: would say it's up to you. Like that's the thing

1015
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: I think people don't forget about her. A lot of

1016
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: it really is dealer's choice. Do you If I don't

1017
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: have a question on my mind, I'll just be like,

1018
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: what's the general energy? And then I pull a general one.

1019
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: If you have a specific question like are they gonna

1020
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: ask me out? Or am I going to get that job?

1021
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: Then yes, that question?

1022
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: You know? So you do you? Okay? Well?

1023
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: See, I think this might be kind of an interesting

1024
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: conversation because you know, I've been around this town for

1025
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a long time and been a lot of joints, have you,

1026
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: I've sort of managed to be able to survive making

1027
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: people laugh and talking about ghosts and whatever. But I've

1028
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: always kind of been terrified of like being on TV.

1029
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: But I really have always been like, I don't know

1030
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: if I want like that. It scares me. It just

1031
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: has always scared me. Okay, And so talking to somebody

1032
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: that has also have you know, has experience with that.

1033
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: And then also at the time of this recording, my

1034
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: first ever television show that I'll be one of the

1035
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: stars of was just announced and at the time of

1036
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: the release of this show will be after it has

1037
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: already been premiered all eight episodes.

1038
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I can't wait to watch this. I've

1039
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: I've heard about it for a while. I'm super excited.

1040
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: In fact, if you get another season, can you bring

1041
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: me as your sister friend? Yeah? I really it goes on.

1042
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: We can just do that anyway in LA just for fun,

1043
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: you and me. Okay, But okay, So I don't know

1044
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: exactly what I want to know, but I kind of

1045
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: just want to know, like I don't know, some sort

1046
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: of guidance from the deck and you about like as

1047
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: I enter this next stage of my life.

1048
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 4: So that's a great question. But like, as I enter

1049
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: this next stage of my life.

1050
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: What should I keep in mind? You know, that might

1051
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: be a nice general that's a general one to ask.

1052
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, and how do you recommend I pull one? Does

1053
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: it matter?

1054
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: It's you know again, here's the thing. It's about developing

1055
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 2: your own ritual. So for years and years and years,

1056
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: my ritual was shuffle, suffer, shuffle, split it into three parts,

1057
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: stack it back up, and take off the top. And

1058
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: I had to do it like that or I was

1059
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: a neurotic creak. Now I'm like, I don't give a fuck.

1060
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: However you want to do it, because it is about

1061
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: your own thing. So if you want to shuffle and

1062
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: just pulling out the middle, that's great. If you want

1063
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: to take it off the top, it's really your choice,

1064
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: and I'm encouraging you to go with. Sometimes what I'll

1065
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: do is just shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, and I'll run my

1066
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: hands like this across the deck and I'll get a

1067
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 2: little electric shock from one and I'll take that card.

1068
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I do have I do have a way

1069
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: that I do it, which is this is to tell

1070
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: you more about who I am. I just basically mush

1071
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: them around and then when one of them falls out.

1072
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Then I go, that's the one that wanted to be.

1073
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: And if a couple of them fall out, it's whichever

1074
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: one I looka.

1075
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: It's so Libra, it's there. I can take it or

1076
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: leave it.

1077
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: Okay, one just fell out, you guys. Okay, a bunch

1078
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: fell out.

1079
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 2: I think now it's just one. It's just one.

1080
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I got the King of Pentacles.

1081
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: Amazing. Okay. So here's my thing that here's how my

1082
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: intuition works. Right, that's a beautiful card. It says it's

1083
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's going to do well. King

1084
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 2: of Pinnacles. The thing you should keep in mind was

1085
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: a question you asked, So listen. I don't know if

1086
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: you spend all the money already. Leaders are pretty good

1087
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: with money though, but I have a feeling that you

1088
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: are so pretty you might have some rising sign influence

1089
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: in there that isn't as great as the Libra side.

1090
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: So my thing is King of Pinnacles. It's gonna bring

1091
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: more opportunity, more money. You're probably gonna get some like branding,

1092
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: you know, people who want you to shock products and

1093
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: things like that. I think you should be super careful

1094
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: with what you pick. Maybe not super careful, but just

1095
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: make sure it's in alignment with you. Yeah, right, because

1096
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: it's so easy to be like I like money. I

1097
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: like money. Don't get me, I do. So you just

1098
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: don't want to start schucking anything and everything. Does that

1099
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: make sense? You're gonna have a lot of opportunity.

1100
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: I am like that anyway, I don't, I'm not interested.

1101
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the libra. You're gonna have a lot of

1102
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: financial it's financial. First of all, what did we say

1103
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 2: look at start? Instead of being so like, oh ourds,

1104
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't get it. It's the king. First, it's a king.

1105
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: We know that card that it is. What suit is it? Oh,

1106
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: it's pinnacles. We said. Pinnacles are basic you know, day

1107
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: to day things, reality world money, practical things. And then

1108
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: it's the king. It's kind of the apex, well, the aces,

1109
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: but the apex. It's the person who has all the

1110
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: money is benevolent. They're not a dick about like, they're

1111
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: not a hoarder. You know, they can be if the

1112
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: energy's reversed. But what that is saying to me, King

1113
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: of pinicles, you're coming into a space we're probably going

1114
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: to you know, probably hopefully fingers crossed gets picks up

1115
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: from I feel good about it getting picked up for

1116
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: another season. First of all, So who more money coming

1117
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: in is what I see with King of Pinnacles.

1118
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: But so what do I keep in mind is just.

1119
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: Don't spend all your money stupidly. Don't spend all your

1120
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: money stupidly. You can spend your money just you know

1121
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: what I'm You know what I mean, Like I love

1122
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: beautiful things too, you know, but at a certain point

1123
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: I had to look around my house and be like

1124
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, how many God damn ganess statue do I need?

1125
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: You keep me away from a damn crystal store?

1126
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, Like, you know, it

1127
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 4: just means that, like don't you're fine for finances.

1128
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: But the other thing I see in that, since we're

1129
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: talking about your career, is it'll probable. Oh and look

1130
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: what I just pulled. So we're we're bouncing it off

1131
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: that King of Pinnacles coupled with a wheel of Fortune.

1132
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 2: It's great.

1133
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: It's gonna bring in a lot of Really, I mean, you.

1134
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: Already have great opportunities, Like we have the thing if

1135
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: you've never met Rob's it's like very striking energy. You

1136
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: know you have, you have this presence, which you need

1137
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: frankly to be. You know, everyone's like, I could be

1138
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: an actor, I could be on TV. Like, no, you can't.

1139
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: Some of you don't have the charisma that it takes.

1140
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: I know, I'm being tough, heer, but it's actually true.

1141
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's a certain energy that has to be

1142
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 2: able to pop off a person, and that's what people

1143
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: gravitate towards.

1144
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 4: And the people they like on TV.

1145
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: And you have that. Not everyone has it. Some people

1146
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: are amazingly clever and smart, but they just can't you know,

1147
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: when they tell a story, it's like this and it's

1148
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: really boring. Yeah, so you're you're the opposite of that, right,

1149
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: You have all these opportunities coming in again, it's the

1150
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: thing it wants you to be. You have a lot,

1151
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: and then you got the magician card.

1152
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: Okay, those those are two majors I pulled for you.

1153
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: Right. That's the other thing we note as King of Panicles,

1154
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: Wheel of Fortune, magician. So opportunities, opportunities, wheel of fortune,

1155
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: life shifting and changing magician. What do you want to

1156
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: create for yourself next? That's what I think I'd be

1157
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: focused on, because you're already here's the truth you already

1158
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: shot the show, right, It's already you can't so there's

1159
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: nothing else you can do about it other than prepare

1160
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: what you're What did I say? The last card was magician?

1161
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: What is it you want to magic up next? So

1162
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: that you're the.

1163
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 4: Producer next time? You know, not that we want Kristen

1164
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 4: Seward to be the producer.

1165
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: But I'm safe. But you when I say she's the producer,

1166
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: what I mean is as actors or performers from just

1167
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: acting in it, that's amazing, and I get paid. But

1168
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: if I'm producing it, I get a lot. I have

1169
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: a stake in the show. Right, and you know what

1170
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1171
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Right, I'm kind of speechless.

1172
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: What right? Now? Wait?

1173
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: Can you can you pull just one more? I'm just

1174
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: curious what it would be so you had real.

1175
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: Well okay again, I will. But this is why I

1176
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: love spreads, because especially when.

1177
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: We don't but because we're doing a magic trick right now.

1178
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: Because okay, let me just tell you. Let me just

1179
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: tell you. I when I was manifesting this TV show,

1180
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: I put on my altar the magician, Yeah, wheel of

1181
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: Fortune and one more card?

1182
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I bet you're let's say that's why I

1183
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: love her. And you know, like my intuition is pretty

1184
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: developed and it's easier for other people, Like sometimes I

1185
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: can't see myself as I can read for myself, and

1186
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: it's harder. But because I'm guaranteeing you this is not

1187
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: the card you got.

1188
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: But this is like a magic trick that's happening right now.

1189
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: So the last card that I pulled and yet yet

1190
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: another major right, So this one's interesting because it's also

1191
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: the card that represents scorpios. They don't freak out because

1192
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: it's death, right, But then.

1193
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: He's definitely not that one. But I know that's pretty good.

1194
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: Two out of three. That's pretty crazy.

1195
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: But wait in my deck and I don't think I

1196
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: have do I have it here? I just want to

1197
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: show you. Really, I think I put it away. Death

1198
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: card is literally a person. I don't think I have

1199
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: it here is literally a person instead of death death death,

1200
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: it's a person going like this, peeling themselves apart so

1201
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: that I knew them can be rebored.

1202
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: So this is what I say.

1203
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. Don't I death as a

1204
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: heavy thing. The death that I see for you is

1205
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: the death of the person who's like, I'm just doing

1206
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: a right and I'm you know, in Hollywood and doing

1207
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: it all right, like I don't want to be fair.

1208
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: It's the death of all that bullshit because you do,

1209
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: you do, you do well. But I also I know

1210
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: you do because here's my next car.

1211
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: You do because this of pentacles, which.

1212
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: You don't need to be a terror reader or mind

1213
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: reader to be like, there's a big hand with a

1214
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: big offering you a huge fucking disc piece of money

1215
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: right there. So I'm not saying you want to be famous,

1216
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: but what I'm saying is you do want to level up,

1217
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: and you do want more money. I know you do, Libra.

1218
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: But what I was going to say is a word

1219
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: I know very well is transition. And I do view

1220
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: being just like a local person and then all of

1221
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: a sudden like being on a TV show as like

1222
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: a transition.

1223
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's what death represents, the transition exactly.

1224
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: That's how I have viewed like a few times in

1225
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: my life where I do feel like one door's closing,

1226
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: another one's open, whatever, And you could view that as

1227
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: like the death card or or like the tower I

1228
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: think you know is like the other one that people

1229
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: get scared of. And I think that sort of has

1230
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: happened a lot of times in my life where I'm

1231
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: like something is ending, but it is good because something

1232
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: is about to bloom and maybe a whole nother phase.

1233
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: So I think that is what I see for you.

1234
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like you want to be famous,

1235
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: because really the only people who want to be famous

1236
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: are like nineteen year olds who don't understand what fame

1237
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: really means. You know what I mean, because I've certainly

1238
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 2: not had the j low lifestyle of had a small

1239
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: face of it, and it's a lot. I'm an introverted extrovert.

1240
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: When people crowd around me, I get really sweaty. I

1241
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: don't love that part of it. I actually never really

1242
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: loved going to events and red carpets made me uptime,

1243
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: like all of it was made really anxious, you know.

1244
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: Like right, So I know what you mean about not

1245
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: necessarily wanting all that that I really get loud and clear.

1246
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: But what I do think you want is you are

1247
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: ready to level up, You are ready to lead your

1248
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: own show saying whatever it is. And so this goes

1249
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: hand in hand with that. So what if I were you,

1250
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: what I would be working on with my tar isn't

1251
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: what do I need to do? It's how do I

1252
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: release my fear around my anxiety totally around saying and

1253
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: also listen, you're very charming and fabulous. I think you're

1254
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of attention, but I don't know

1255
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: if you're gonna become super famous office.

1256
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 4: So you know, get out of the future, come back

1257
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: to the present.

1258
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: But no, I would say that to myself too.

1259
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: No know what I'm saying that, but either way, like

1260
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: being thrust into a lot of people now knowing who

1261
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: you are that you don't know is like my biggest

1262
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: fear ever where I'm like, how did you know my name?

1263
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: Oh? How do you know me?

1264
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know you? Like all that kind of stuff rosreaks.

1265
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: For me yours, I always think, like I'm literally like

1266
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: do we go to school together? Or do I have

1267
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: a booger on my note? Like, well, how do you

1268
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: like it? It makes me super uptight actually, all that

1269
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: stuff around it even though I very much wanted to

1270
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: be an actor and a known actor and I want

1271
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 2: when I was young, I'm saying I wanted all those things,

1272
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: but the truth is, like it's it is a lot

1273
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: you're just you, and then people are staring at you

1274
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: all the time. It's weird. Yeah, but people stared at

1275
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: you before you were famous, you know, I bet or

1276
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: before you're you in this incarnation because I know for me,

1277
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: when I was like twenty or twenty one, my stepmother

1278
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: was visiting New York City, where I lived, and she

1279
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, if the way people are

1280
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: looking at you on the street is any response, you'll

1281
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: probably work a lot. And I guess that's what I

1282
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: mean by that energy thing. You know. It's it's not

1283
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: that I was so the most prettiest or anything, but

1284
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: it's an energy that people were drawn to. And you

1285
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: have the same thing. You're just more libra about it.

1286
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1287
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: One time I saw you at the grove before I

1288
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: ever met you, and I was.

1289
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: Like, shut up, really, oh my god, really, I swear

1290
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: to god, I'm such a dork. I really do. Like

1291
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: half the time when I look over I'm like, what

1292
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: did I do wrong? That's where my.

1293
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: Brain probably Going back to the podcast that we're on,

1294
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that also goes along with your intuitive

1295
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: biness and your energy. I mean, it's all energy, really.

1296
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: It is all It is all energy. I try to

1297
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: actually make a bubble around me when I'm out and

1298
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: about because I realize if I'm looking around because I'm nervous,

1299
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: people are looking at me. It's really the same energy

1300
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: as my friends who are looking around, going are they

1301
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: looking at me? I'm famous? So I was like, I

1302
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: need to just block all of that out, you know

1303
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's a matter whether they're looking at

1304
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: you or not. It's that you just I think, listen

1305
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: back to you. I think it's golden. Nothing is golden,

1306
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: but it's golden. Like I think the show is going

1307
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: to be received well. I think you're going to do

1308
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: well right now, bought out. You should be pitching your show.

1309
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's what you should be doing and focusing.

1310
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: On I Actually it's kind of reminds me of your

1311
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: story with your TV and all that. When I first

1312
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: got a phone call about this TV show, I was like,

1313
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this show. They were like, you know,

1314
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this show's happening here, are you interested

1315
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: in like interviewing? And I was like, yes, I'm going

1316
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: to get this show. And I went to this metaphysical

1317
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: store and you know, just to get some supplies. I'm

1318
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: a little witchy. I don't call myself a witch, but

1319
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm into it. And there was a woman that was

1320
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: in the line because there was a line at the catcher.

1321
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: Certain she had like a deck of cards and she

1322
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: was like, you want me to read your cards? And

1323
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and she just had like she

1324
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: was doing it with like regular playing cards and then

1325
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: she like pulled three and she or she like pulled

1326
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: one and she was like, you're up for a job.

1327
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: And then she's like you're going to get the job.

1328
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: And then she's like and it's going to be amazing.

1329
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, you're going to get this

1330
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: job and it's going to change your life and it's

1331
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: going to be huge. She's like does that resonate? And

1332
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm like yes, this is why I'm like literally at

1333
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: the store right now.

1334
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: Say that's a little messenger from spirit whatever you want

1335
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: to call it, you know, but it is right because

1336
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm like, what was that person Like is

1337
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: there connection or is it just like a bolt of

1338
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: lightning that comes hits that other person And they're like,

1339
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: I have to tell you this, you know, I is

1340
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: a divine and sproall never know because I don't know

1341
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: when I'm picking up on it half the time, or

1342
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: when I'm offering stuff out to people, or I didn't

1343
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: know those cards were going to be the exact ones. Raws,

1344
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, picked up them. But because the one card

1345
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: that was different was death, I'm saying, what can you

1346
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: release to make this easier and better for yourself? You know,

1347
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: like more more productive, more joyful, more fun? Because how

1348
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: fun to be on a TV show, right, ghost hunting

1349
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: something you're passionate about.

1350
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting if we do read into this.

1351
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: The other card was the Tent of Pentacles that I had.

1352
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. But in your little.

1353
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: Magic trick that you just somehow did, I don't know

1354
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: if you went to the magic castle and learned how

1355
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: to choose the right card, but death replaced the Tent

1356
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: of Pentacles. I mean, is there a way to interpret that?

1357
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? By the way, that's great thing. That's how one

1358
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: should think if you do reading.

1359
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: And more than just a pretty faith reach.

1360
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: But that's why I used to keep notes on it,

1361
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: because I got one reading one day and then the

1362
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: next thing, all the same cards except for one is different.

1363
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 4: That's exactly what you should be paying at time to do.

1364
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 4: What was it done and what is it before?

1365
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: So I would say list and labor's like I said,

1366
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 2: they have pretty they get money and they get beauty.

1367
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: But a ton of pentacles usually represents, you know, financial stability,

1368
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: financial happiness. It's also the part of the lost interpretation

1369
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: of that card would be it's a hard it's usually

1370
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: a hard thought thing to get to that position, meaning

1371
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: I mean like fighting, but like it took a lot

1372
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: to get to that ten of pinnacles position. Took a

1373
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: lot of work, took a lot of hard work, took

1374
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: a lot of ups, downs, crying, successes, failures, you know,

1375
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: just to get to that position. So that's why I

1376
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: like the ton of tentacles for you there, because it's

1377
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: not just like eighth of Pinnacles, like here's just a

1378
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: gift of money or the possibility of money. It's like, no,

1379
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: you work for this shit, right and you have over

1380
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: these many many years, and you worked with that audition,

1381
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, like you probably didn't work that hard.

1382
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: It's the true of people you just laid it down

1383
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,879
Speaker 4: and were amazing, I'm sure.

1384
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: But you had to make the tape and do the thing.

1385
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 2: So what I see I wouldn't look at is one

1386
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: replaces the other so much as how do they work together.

1387
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: I would look into any release around any odd issues

1388
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: around money, because like, if you are like I don't

1389
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: know if I want to be you know, famous or

1390
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: really successful, that might mean there's a place in you

1391
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: where you purposefully or or you know, subconsciously pass up

1392
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: some opportunities that could have put more money in your pocket,

1393
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, along the way, because you subconsciously were like, well,

1394
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: if I do that, then I'll have all this new

1395
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: aggn if I didn't fear about what it's like to

1396
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: be successful.

1397
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Yeah, a little bit.

1398
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: Also, the only reason that I chose those three cards

1399
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: is because I literally saw somebody on the internet say,

1400
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: if you want to get a job, put these three

1401
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: cards on your own.

1402
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: Good. Nothing wrong with that, I would say. I'm like,

1403
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: if you want anysing to happen, there's seventy cards to

1404
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: choose from. There is no magical tarot combination that's going

1405
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: to put money in your pocket or give you a job.

1406
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: There are only the cards that inspire you. Like you

1407
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: pick those cards because that resonated with you, right. But

1408
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you could have easily picked the

1409
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: Ace of Discs and other cards that also represent.

1410
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 4: Getting the job and money, that those are the ones

1411
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 4: you went.

1412
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 2: Through, aren't say? You know, just hard to look through

1413
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: the deck and see what inspires you, because those cards

1414
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: are great and obviously worked, right. But if you look

1415
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: through and you're like, ooh, I really like this chariot

1416
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: card because that's victory and marching forward, then this is

1417
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: my magical card for that spell. Think of it as

1418
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: a spell. Combining these cards together, putting them on an altar,

1419
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: lighting a candle. It's really kind of a spell, right,

1420
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: a prayer a spell. And then I also sidewire. Lastly,

1421
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: I look into I'm working on my fitness right now,

1422
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 2: but I look at food is a spell for your body?

1423
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: Do the way with foods we've put in our systems.

1424
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: Think about it. It's you're literally saying, here's here's the

1425
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 2: nourishment I'm giving you. Right, here's a spell for you.

1426
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: How are you operating? How do you feel? On all that?

1427
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying people have to be fit or not

1428
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: eat junk to be magical, but at all at all

1429
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: I know you can do it because I've eaten plenty

1430
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: of jugs and been magical. But I also think there's

1431
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 2: a reason why spiritual people, you know, did fast before

1432
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 2: a spell or you know, a ceremony. The body's just

1433
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: zinging a little easier, right, It's not. It's not it's

1434
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: spending energy digesting cheetos. It's it's it's all there.

1435
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 4: She is all working towards the goals that you have

1436
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 4: in mind.

1437
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,879
Speaker 2: But for you again, it's uh, you know, it's interesting

1438
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: pull that Ace of disc you know, which I said

1439
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: could replace death, and the next guard I pulled out

1440
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: was Ace of Wands. For those two aces, that's there's

1441
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: only four in the whole deck. The aces represent the

1442
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: possibility of the entirety of it all. So Ace of

1443
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 2: diss is literally like all the all the cards that

1444
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: are pinnacle cards, it's all within that one ace.

1445
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 4: You want some more money, it's there. I see you

1446
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: as a producer, oz, do you like?

1447
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: Because yeah, like I see when I for some reason

1448
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: when I was like aceve just and as of one like,

1449
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,839
Speaker 2: I think there's a concept you can sell. I'm produced

1450
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: to yourself. So you can either be the talent or

1451
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: not be the chalent, your greatest talent. You're so greedy

1452
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 2: and talented, but like if you just want to like

1453
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 2: libras also like to sit back and be beautiful and

1454
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 2: make all the money while someone else toils away.

1455
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm not money obsessed, Okay, I swear I'm so well security.

1456
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: It's not security, it doesn't have to.

1457
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: Be my it's security then whatever that means, like emotional financials.

1458
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying you're stressed about money, but with

1459
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: that ace of just it's like, listen, you're probably not,

1460
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: but you could also bring in a lot. You have

1461
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: the possibility right to bring I feel.

1462
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: Like I've been broke for so long that I'm just

1463
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: like it'll work out, Like, just do things that you love.

1464
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 2: Do you believe that you can have Do you see

1465
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: yourself with a lot of money? Actually, though, well, do

1466
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 2: you talk yourself down.

1467
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,440
Speaker 1: I would love to own a house, but jeez, Louise,

1468
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: in this world, this economy, my dream is to have

1469
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: a house with a bunch of tortoises in the backyard.

1470
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: That is like my ultimate dream and that is what

1471
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: I will get.

1472
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: YEA.

1473
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: So that does require money, But what I don't want

1474
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: is to fear having money, like I just I've had

1475
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: that my whole life and I don't want that.

1476
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think that's the thing

1477
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 4: to dig into.

1478
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: That's fear part. So I will say this, like as

1479
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: far as fear, because fear, you know, so like I said,

1480
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: it's so ubiquitous and overwhelming, but it's also it's really

1481
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: helpful sometimes too, right, Like fear will stop you from

1482
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: getting in somebody's drunk car to drive home, like no thanks.

1483
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: I So that's what I'm saying, fear is helpful. So

1484
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: one of the things I used to do and I

1485
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 2: don't have to do it consciously anymore because it sounds

1486
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 2: a little nerdy, but it may help you. Is like,

1487
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm feeling really fearful or worried or

1488
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: especially with fear, you know, overwhelmed by it, I'm like,

1489
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm about to spiral down. I'll be like, oh,

1490
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: you know what, fear, talk to the fear like, thank

1491
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: you so much for being a presence of my life,

1492
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: because clearly you've helped me. I have a lot of it.

1493
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: So clearly I needed a lot of fear because I

1494
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: have a ton of it. I said, but at this point,

1495
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: I feel like I really work through, I really appreciate

1496
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: the times where it's been helpful, and I want to

1497
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: send this fear to someone who actually needs it. And

1498
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: that sounds insane, but yet there is someone, huh, but

1499
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 2: there is someone in a war zone who needs fear

1500
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: because right they need to be in fire light because

1501
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 2: something's going they actually need fear, or they're in a

1502
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: bad situation with an abusive partner. They need a little

1503
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 2: fear to get the fuck out right. So that's what

1504
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I will just talk to my fear

1505
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: and send it along the way. And then the other

1506
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: thing is lastly, it's like I say, do seven year

1507
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: cycles of your life, So you picture yourself at seven

1508
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: years old, but instead of like right here in your mind,

1509
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: like I pictured almost like a small movie broadcasts on

1510
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: the across the room on a wall and a small screen.

1511
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: Why do I do that Because I'm not trying to

1512
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: relive all my emotional joy or pain from back then, right,

1513
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look at it like a director would like.

1514
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 2: So I'm picturing myself at seven years old, and I'm

1515
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: thinking about how fear affected me at seven, and then

1516
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: I go fourteen years old, how did fear plan in

1517
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: my life? Then twenty one years old? Do seven year

1518
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: cycles and see if you can start to see a pattern.

1519
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: Those are all basic, like non magical things, but they

1520
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: work dovetail really well with then doing a terror reading

1521
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: with what you think about, what realization comes up. You

1522
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: then go to your cards and you go, Okay, I

1523
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 2: realized that when I was fourteen, this thing happened and

1524
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: it made me realize I you know, where I felt

1525
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: abandoned or I felt like I had money or right,

1526
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: whatever it was.

1527
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 4: And then you pull a card and you start to

1528
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 4: have a conversation with yourself.

1529
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: Does that make sense totally?

1530
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: Whoa?

1531
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: Okay, we've done way more time than I was even planning.

1532
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for being so generous with your time. Wait

1533
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 1: real quickly, can I play you some ghost voices?

1534
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, do so?

1535
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev Please. Have you

1536
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: ever heard the term EVP?

1537
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: Yes?

1538
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: Do you know what it stands for? It's it's not

1539
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: so much of a test, not really, that's okay, Electric

1540
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: electronic voice phenomenal.

1541
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: Oh I had an app that's whatever? Go ahead?

1542
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, are apps? So it's basically when people believe

1543
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: that they've captured ghosts speaking. And what I do is

1544
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 1: I go to the trust your Internet, and I find

1545
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: two EVPs for my listeners or for my guests every

1546
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: single week, and I'm gonna play it. I want you

1547
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: to tell me what you hear, maybe make a guess,

1548
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: and then I'll give you some options, one of the

1549
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: options being what the person that posted it believed it said. Okay, okay,

1550
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: the first one comes from TikTok and it's from at

1551
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:43,879
Speaker 1: Whispering SPT or whisperings PT. I'm not sure whatever unknown location.

1552
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: What is it saying? Okay, that was kind of a

1553
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: long one. I know, I'll play it again.

1554
01:17:53,640 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, your wolf, you have no face? You know?

1555
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: That is not what Whispering thought that it said. Was

1556
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: it a what you heard about me is a lie

1557
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: very reality show? Is it B go through the Light?

1558
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: Love you bye? Was it C Sometimes when it's right,

1559
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: it's just right?

1560
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: Or was it D?

1561
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 1: Don't you remember Vine? I really loved Vine.

1562
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go for D, which is not what

1563
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 2: they thought and said, but it's what I want them

1564
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: to have, said a.

1565
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: Person on TikTok posting about Remember Vine they believe it

1566
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: was b go through the light, love you bye? Okay,

1567
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: I can hear it. Let's listen again right now.

1568
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like it's a bit of a stretch because

1569
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: it also says like it's like ghost. I mean I heard,

1570
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: well not light. I think it could be. That's the

1571
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 2: kind of thing I would obsess about and slow it

1572
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: down and listen to it like ten times. But why

1573
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: would they be like go to the light? What do

1574
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: they want me to kill? Like? What? That sounds weird?

1575
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they were talking to themselves like a go

1576
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: through the light, love you?

1577
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice? Who?

1578
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: Okay, there's one more. This one is from East Valley

1579
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: Paranormal on TikTok and they are an all female ghost

1580
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: hunting group in Arizona. And so shout out to the queens.

1581
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 2: So dry there it really is?

1582
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: And uh, what do you think this goes as saying?

1583
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: What do okay? I mean again, I'm the Queen of

1584
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: ockham raizoring this ship before we go to it? That

1585
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: goes I mean, I don't even I didn't even hear

1586
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: a word. I heard some birds tweeting.

1587
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: Rachel true, come on, it be a little fun, all right,

1588
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: all right.

1589
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: All right? Play again, play it one more time. I

1590
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 2: heard get up, get up, and then the birds tweeted,

1591
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: so that makes sense to me.

1592
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: All right, here's some options.

1593
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: Was it a.

1594
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: Excuse you? Was it b oh, it's you? Was it

1595
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 1: c oh, get you?

1596
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: Or d.

1597
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: That's cute? So they do a tongue pop and then

1598
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: they say that's cute. That's cute. Okay, now that you

1599
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: know those, let me play it again.

1600
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: I think that's cute.

1601
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: They believe it is. I'll get you and I come on,

1602
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: you don't hear this. Listen it goes oh, get you

1603
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: or I think it could be a tongue pop and

1604
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: then get you. Either way, I hear get you, Let

1605
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: me play it.

1606
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 2: Get you.

1607
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: Well, Rachel, this has been magical.

1608
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: Or two words tweeting what they have? All right, go ahead,

1609
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you wrap it up.

1610
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: But oh jesus, now I want you a TikTok account

1611
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: of you listening to EVPs and offering all the different

1612
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: things that happened.

1613
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: I know what I should. I'm on there. I'm gonna

1614
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: find you on there, ross because at first, first when

1615
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: I got on TikTok, I was like, what is it?

1616
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: How hole? And now I love it. You know, I'm like, oh,

1617
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,879
Speaker 2: I get it. And there's a lot of great information

1618
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: on there as well as a lot of shit, but

1619
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: there's also a lot of really good information.

1620
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: I still have not gotten into it, like as a

1621
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: poster person. Oh, nowadays I do look at them, but

1622
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't get super again because like I get really

1623
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: like so many people. I don't know, I'm very weird.

1624
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting over.

1625
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: That's not so weird. It's like I said, I think

1626
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 2: you are perfect candidate to use your taro deck and

1627
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 2: go and do that seven year, fourteen year, twenty one year,

1628
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: Like what is it?

1629
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 4: Because at some point when we're little kids.

1630
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: Were like, hello, look at me. You know what you

1631
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 2: know what I mean? We are so like at a

1632
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: certain point that switched, but not entirely because look at you.

1633
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: You like a little attention, you like fabulousness, you like performing.

1634
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: But then so I'm like, dig in there, because at

1635
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: some point something happened where perhaps getting attention was negative.

1636
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I've worked a lot with my therapist.

1637
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: It's actually control stuff, I think, because oh I like

1638
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: attention if I can control it. I like attention if

1639
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: it's in like a room where I'm doing stand up.

1640
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't like it when the entire internet is watching me.

1641
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 3: Do you knew what?

1642
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: Like? And we're signing off now. But I love that

1643
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: you said that because I just said to my friend yesterday,

1644
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 2: like the two things I'm sure of. Used to only

1645
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: be sure of one thing that I know nothing or

1646
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: very little, but now I'm sure two things I know

1647
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 2: very little, and ultimately I cannot control anyone else, you know,

1648
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people's issues come from

1649
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 2: control of themselves, are trying to control other people. And

1650
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: I'll say it for me, like every time we've had

1651
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: a break up, like but it's almost like I can't

1652
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: can't believe it happened to me, like bitch, but your

1653
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 2: ego in check, Yes, it happened to you, and you

1654
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 2: cannot and you cannot control someone else's behaviors. So I

1655
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: love that you know that, ras and like, I don't

1656
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: mean to harp on that at the end. It's just

1657
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: most people don't get it when they're like I'm mad

1658
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 2: at you because you didn't take me here.

1659
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 4: It's like you cannot control anyone else.

1660
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: That's why I don't date, because if I'm dating someone, oh,

1661
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: I'm the boss Oh my god, I bet you we're

1662
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: gonna eat what I want tonight.

1663
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: Oh that is control.

1664
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: Look at you. I'm like so controlling. I swear to God,

1665
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm only you know what I've realized.

1666
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 2: I didn't never thought I was. But I'm very controlling

1667
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: with myself. Like I like to I'm a homebody because

1668
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm in control, same of my same. Yeah, you know

1669
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like this is the one thing I like.

1670
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 2: I'm a night ol. That's a childhood holdover. But also

1671
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: I think it's about control. Like nobody will call or

1672
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: bother me or make me do anything at two am.

1673
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: You know. So again, the taro is really great because

1674
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: control issues. First of all, they're there in place for

1675
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 2: a reason. They helped you, you know, they helped you

1676
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: feel in control.

1677
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: But now someone that needs control, I want them to

1678
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: have it.

1679
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: That's right. You have to give it away.

1680
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 4: If to Jana Jackson, release that control exactly.

1681
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: Okay, go do a charity. Let's control how people can

1682
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: get your book. Oh, tell them all about it.

1683
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: It's first of all, it's a major Everybody's like, do

1684
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 2: you sell it out of the back of your car?

1685
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I have It's that a major publisher.

1686
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 2: You can get it at Barnes and Noble.

1687
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: I thought, at Barnes and Noble.

1688
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god, take a picture girl, next time. You

1689
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: see what I love singing in the wild. I don't

1690
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: know what if you if you write a book, you'll

1691
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 2: still get what I'm saying, like, there's something kind of

1692
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: neat about your book in a bookstore, because there's so

1693
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 2: a few bookstores but Amazon. But also it's a really

1694
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 2: great time to support your local indie bookstore, which may

1695
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: not have it in but you can order it and

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Speaker 2: it'll come in in a couple of days from them,

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01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: and that's one way to support a small business. I

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Speaker 2: do have a patron I never talk about it because

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Speaker 2: I like it small. I like it being small, and

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I do because I

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01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 2: enjoy talking about taro. So I didn't actually want to

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01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: grow it too a million people. But at this point

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01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: it's a great little tarot talk And if you google

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01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 2: Rachel True and Patreon you'll find it. And if you

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01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 2: can't be bothered to do that, you don't probably need

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Speaker 2: to be in the class. Oh wait, and then I'm

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I guess I'm still on Instagram and my

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01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 2: story's more. I think I'm true Rachel True on there,

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Speaker 2: I'm on TikTok. I'm verified. There's six million clones of

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Speaker 2: me though, grifting people for terror reading, so make sure

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Speaker 2: to see that I the verified account. Those are all

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Speaker 2: the places I hang out, I guess amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this has been five years in the making and

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Speaker 1: you have not disappointed. This is so cool. You've been

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01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: an amazing guest, so thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 2: It was so great to see you and Hannah. Wait

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Speaker 2: for your TV sure show. I cannot wait to see it.

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Speaker 2: I'm super excited, and I do want to go ghost

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Speaker 2: hunting so that I'm slightly less cynical about ghosts right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it all right, all right? Bye?

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Speaker 2: Bye?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Rachel True. Be sure to

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01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 1: go check out all the stuff that she does. Follower

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Speaker 1: get the book. I could listen to her tell stories

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Speaker 1: for hours. Ugh. Okay, we have got so many fun

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Speaker 1: ones coming at you, so make sure you are subscribed

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Speaker 1: to the show. I can't wait to talk to you

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: next week. I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 1: haunt me. Okay, bye, this has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the I read

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Speaker 1: stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so

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Speaker 1: email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 1: show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

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Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

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01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the

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01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by

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01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

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Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start,

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Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.