1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Runner Gang, Welcome back to Post Run High. We're here 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: today in LA with James, Charles and you guys. I 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: was so excited for this conversation. James is someone I 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: followed online and have loved for so many years. He's 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: been in the social media space for nearly a decade, 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: starting out as a beauty creator and completely changing the game. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: James has built a massive platform, he recently launched his 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: own brand, and he is a key example of staying 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: at the forefront of the industry while constantly evolving. Today 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: we got into everything his upbringing, how he got to 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: where he is today, his insane work ethic, how he 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: keeps pushing himself creatively, and what it's really been like 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: navigating the highs and lows of internet fame. As you 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: guys know, the premise of Post Run High is we 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: go for a run before sitting down for our full conversation. 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: But sometimes we mix up the form of movement we do, 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: and you guys, don't worry. You get a high from 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: all sorts of workouts, so the endorphins are still always there. 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: But today, for context, James and I went for a 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: walk in his neighborhood before sitting down for the conversation 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: you guys are about to listen to, and of course 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: that walk has been posted on my socials at Kate 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: Max for you guys to watch. And guys, I was 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: low key really excited to see James run, but that's okay, 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: maybe we'll get him next time. 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Okay, Runner Gang, let's get into today's episode 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: with James. 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: What is up? 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: Guys. 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Post Run High, Post Friend Walk today, 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: Post Walk High, Post Walk High, which I kind of love. 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: We're here with James Charles. 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: Hi you guys. 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm so excited to be sitting down 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: with you, James. I was telling you this on our 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: walk eyes. James and I just got back from a 44 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: one mile. 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: Walk with his dogs. Yes, it was beautiful, like. 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: Welcome to my home. Welcome to the neighborhood. Glad you 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: enjoyed Finn and Theodore. 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so cool being at your house. 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: I just have to really quickly say, I've grown up 50 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: watching you on social media, so it really is so 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: cool to be able to like step into your home, 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: like see your house. 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: And what I love about it. 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: I just kept saying to James, I was like, your 55 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: house is so well designed. Thanks, and I know design 56 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: is such a big part of you and your life. Yeah, 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: it's cool to see. 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: Thank you. We were welcome anytime. 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: How is the walk for you? 60 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: The walk was good? 61 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: I mean I don't I'm not a big physical activity 62 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 4: type of person. When they told me that your team 63 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: had reached out about doing this, I was like, oh 64 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: my god, is she I'm not running with her? 65 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: Or she can't make me run. I can't do it. 66 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 4: But I was so excited when we got to do 67 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: a walk because I do love getting out, and the 68 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: dogs love a walk, and the weather's been so beautiful recently, 69 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 4: so I was excited to chat and get a little 70 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 4: little bit of exercise. End that would be my workout 71 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: for the next month. 72 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm shocked that you don't work out at all, Like 73 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: not even yoga. 74 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: No, wow, I've really I've genuinely really tried, because obviously 75 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: I know that everyone loves it, and I know obviously 76 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: that it's very good for the human body. 77 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm human body too. 78 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: Well. 79 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I genuinely can't get into it, and 80 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 4: I've tried multiple times. I've tried different personal trainers, I've 81 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: tried different gyms, I've tried so many different workouts. 82 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: Like, it's actually really funny. 83 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: We filmed YouTube like series probably like two years ago 84 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 4: now where I was like, I'm going to get fit 85 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: because I had gained a little bit of weight during 86 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: COVID that I wanted to get rid of. So I 87 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 4: converted my entire garage to a gym, hired a personal 88 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: trainer for two months, cut out all fast food. What 89 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: if you yo me? Yeah, that's a that's a big 90 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: I mean you saw the Cooke Foe. 91 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, what is your diet? 92 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Like bad? 93 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: It's disgusting, Okay, like it's so bad, but that's fine, Okay, love. 94 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: But I definitely, like I complimented with working out. But 95 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: if I don't think, I don't know whatever. 96 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: I don't mean. I just couldn't get into it. 97 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: But for two months I fully cut out, also to 98 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: off us food, and was working out three or four 99 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: times a week and like not stupid little like workout 100 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: was like a girl. I was really going in and 101 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: by the end of the two months, I had gained 102 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: two pounds. And yes, I'm aware that muscle weighs more 103 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: than fat. I'm not looking for that. I don't want 104 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: to be jacked and muscular. I'm trying to be tiny 105 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: and skinny and disappearing before your very eyes. I love 106 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 4: that I need camera to zoom in so far that 107 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: because I'm like a little speck of dust floating around 108 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 4: in the backyard. 109 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, I can't even see you right now? 110 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Oh, thank you. 111 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: That's what I was going for. 112 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, Okay, So I like, personally I run because it 113 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: like keeps me very grounded, and I feel like with 114 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: social media and content, our lives are just can be 115 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: super chaotic and overwhelming. So I'm curious, Like, for me, 116 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: working out is definitely my escape and what keeps me 117 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: really grounded. 118 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: So what do you do to stay grounded? 119 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: Okay? 120 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 4: I have a few couple of ones that are kind 121 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: of like weird niche interests. I love building Legos, love 122 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 4: Love Love goos. My entire office is covered in all 123 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 4: sorts of different Lego builds, So that's like a really 124 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: nice way of like distract myself and put on like 125 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: a TV show, put my phone away, and just like 126 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: build for a couple of hours. I love escape rooms. 127 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 4: They're my favorite pastime in the entire world. And it 128 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: sounds so stupid, but like my life is really crazy sometimes, 129 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: so it's so cheesy to say, but I do enjoy 130 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: putting my phone away for an hour and like pretending 131 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: like I really am in the Titanic and we're sinking 132 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 4: and we have one hour to get. 133 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: Out, and I like that. 134 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: It's fun. 135 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: It's fun even though it's like a high stress situation, 136 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 4: like you know, it's like you know, it's playing for tend. 137 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 4: It's like it's just like fun little it's a game. 138 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 4: But I like turning my brain on. I like thinking 139 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: and I like strategizing, and that's like genuinely fun for me. 140 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: I love puzzes. I love brain teasers. 141 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: So that's kind of like my escape where I get 142 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: to turn my phone off and be like disconnected from 143 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: like the social media world, but still be like thinking. 144 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: I love that. 145 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: I feel like it makes so much sense because I mean, 146 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 2: you don't build the empire that you've built without being smart. 147 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: And you can tell I feel like Legos especially you know, 148 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: when you're a kid growing up like they, you'd think that, 149 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: like all kids play with Legos, but it's really not true. 150 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: It's like a certain type of kid plays with Legos 151 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: that likes doing activities that turn their brain on and 152 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: challenge them. 153 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: So I love knowing that about it. 154 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well did you did you grow up with Legos 155 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: or did you ever? 156 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: My older brother is very smart and she was the 157 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: kid in our family that like loved Legos, So I 158 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: feel like there's some synergy there. Guys comment down below, 159 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: let us know what you think, But I think Legos 160 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: kids playing with Legos is a sign of adultgy. Well. 161 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: I loved I loved Legos, and I also loved there's 162 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 4: just like kids agat that no longer exists anywhere. But 163 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: it was called Canacs and they were like, they were like, 164 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: you would build. 165 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: Things. How do I explain it? 166 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: It wasn't like it wasn't It was different than Legos, 167 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 4: where you're like building a building, but with connects. It 168 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: was like you would build like a roller coaster, or 169 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 4: you'd build like a ferris wheel, or you build like 170 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 4: I don't eve really know how to explain it. I 171 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: love the Amusic Park ride for some reason. That was 172 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: like my special interest as a kid. And from there, 173 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: like I would always build like giant roller coasters and 174 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 4: like that was like my interest as a kid. I 175 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: wanted to be in a music park designer. So I've 176 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: always just been very like engineering focus. My dad's a 177 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 4: self employed contractor as well, and I will never forget 178 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: like when my when my when I lost my two 179 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: front teeth. Of course, all parents have the tooth fairy. 180 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 4: So when I lost my tooth front teeth, I didn't 181 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: ask for money. I didn't ask for any sort of 182 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: special prize. I asked for a shark vacuum. I'm not kidding. 183 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 4: And my dad, for my like I think it was 184 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: third or fourth birthday, built me a It was like 185 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: a wooden box with just plugs, switches and outlets on it. 186 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: None of them did anything. They were not connected to anything, 187 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: nothing was wired together. But he built the boxing because 188 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: he saw that I was always watching him when he 189 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 4: was working, like wiring electrical and like installing outlets and 190 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: plugs into people's homes. Yeah, and I was interested in that. 191 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: So it's like that's so weird and such a good Like, No, 192 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: I love it, kid, But I wanted to be an engineer. 193 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: I wanted to be a designer. 194 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: I've always been really interested in just like figuring out 195 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: how things work. 196 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: I was just going to say that, Yeah, it seems 197 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: like it. Are you the type of person that will 198 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: get and want to assemble it? 199 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: Low? 200 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Want to assemble It. 201 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: Depends on how complicated it is. 202 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: Maybe not that, because like I'd rather hire our task 203 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: robbers to do that instead. 204 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: But if it was, but bye bye. 205 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: But you go into James's garage and there's like a 206 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: shed of all essentials Iikia furniture, like eight different. 207 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: Nights, say it's ready for a stressful night. Jame's gonna 208 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: take one on and ready to go. No, not like that, 209 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 4: Like I would never choose to put it together. However, 210 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: if you were like, Hi, for our podcast today, we're 211 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: racing to see who can build an IKE addresser faster. 212 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: You bet? Are bet? I am clocking in to that challenge. 213 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: No, I love the competitive side of you. 214 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: Love it, Okay, I want you to kind of take 215 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: us back because we're getting to know from these stories 216 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: what you were kind of like as a kid, but really, like, 217 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: walk us back through your childhood. You grow up in 218 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: upstate New York. Yes, what were you like as a 219 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: kid outside of these annoyings? 220 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: Okay, I was really really stubborn, very outgoing. My little 221 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: brother and I could not have been more polar opposites. 222 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: I put my poor parents through absolute hell growing up 223 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,239 Speaker 4: just because I. 224 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: I knew what I wanted. 225 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: I was definitely little bit difficult as a child, but 226 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: I was very smart, very outgoing, and very just like 227 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: always was innovating and wanting to try something new. 228 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: I had a million different hobbies. 229 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: I actually started like my social media journey when I 230 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: was eleven. I had a Twitter account back in the day, 231 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 4: it was called That's what Kids Do, and I used 232 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 4: to post like relatable teen quotes and tweets like that 233 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 4: awkward moment when blah blah blah blah blah, or like 234 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,479 Speaker 4: that moment when your crush says blah blah, like so stupid. 235 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: But I grew that account to like eighty or ninety 236 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 4: thousand followers when I was eleven. That's insane and I 237 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: literally I got banned because I put my age in 238 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: my Twitter bio because I was proud of being an 239 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: eleven year old with a one hundred thousand followers, and 240 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 4: then they're like, nope, you have to be thirteen banned. 241 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: So my poor mom had to like write an email 242 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: to Twitter being like, Hi, this account is managed by 243 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: a parent. Let him back on because I was making 244 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: money from him. I was running Google ads on my 245 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: Twitter account, and then eventually I sold that account, moved 246 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: over to Tumblr, learned how to code htmail and CSS, 247 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: and started designing web themes for people and for people blogs. 248 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: Then I use that money to buy my first ever 249 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: DSLR camera and a MacBook. 250 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: And then I made a comedy. 251 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: YouTube channel when I was like thirteen or fourteen, fully 252 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: made like a PowerPoint presentation for my parents as to 253 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: why they should allow me to make YouTube videos. Started 254 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: posting the comedy videos, and then I eventually got into 255 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: doing girls hair and makeup for school like prom and ball, 256 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 4: then did my own makeup, and then. 257 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: It's a realzing and it's so cool how you ended up, 258 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: like because you love the techie side of things too, 259 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: but also you have such a creative side of you. 260 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: It's so cool to see how all of these things 261 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of merge together. 262 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you always had such a high production quality 263 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: even when you first started out, so it's cool knowing 264 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: that you were really the brains behind that. 265 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: I've always been. 266 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: Really interested in that. Like for me, I said this 267 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: like when we were walking earlier. But yeah, I know that, 268 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: Like I know that I'm great at what I do, 269 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 4: but I'm never the best. 270 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: I truly love my part of the job that. 271 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 4: Entails learning, whether it's you know, how I can improve 272 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: my landing, how how I can I proved my video settings, 273 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: how I can make a videos retention a couple of 274 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: seconds higher, how I can photoshop my thumbnails to be better. Like, 275 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: I really do enjoy that part of the content creation process. 276 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: I'm not competing with anybody other than myself to continue 277 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: one up in what I've already done. 278 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I find that fun. 279 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: It's like a fun challenge, absolutely, And it's so hard. 280 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: I would say, like, what would you say for people 281 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: just starting out on content, including some of those things 282 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: that you just mentioned, right, because like we're just getting 283 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: started in the YouTube game, and it's crazy how important 284 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: thumbnails are, and it's so hard to find really good 285 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: thumbnail designers. It's like, honestly the hardest. 286 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 4: Thing, right, I been doing it myself really, Yeah, I 287 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 4: only just started recently. I just started working with a 288 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: guy that I found on social media. Yeah, but I've 289 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 4: done my own thumbnails for the last seven years. 290 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Which means I'm shook. 291 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, your thumbnails are incredible, Like I use your thumbnails 292 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: as reference all the time because I'm like, this is 293 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: what great looks like. 294 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: That's so impressive. 295 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 4: I learned how to use photoshop when I was like 296 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 4: seven or eight because I ran a Club Penguin blog too. 297 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: That one didn't that one was ever. 298 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: Successful, so I didn't include that in my story journey. 299 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 4: But I learned how to use photosop because I needed 300 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: to or how to edit the Club Penguin Penguin into 301 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: like different positions. 302 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: You were such an interesting kid. I feel like you're 303 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: like giving boy genius. 304 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: It was giving like loser nerds. No, definitely not giving boigenius. 305 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: But also social and outgoing. 306 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: So it seems like I feel like the smartest people 307 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: kind of have every box ticked, like right where they're 308 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: outgoing and social and they're also smart. 309 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: I knew really early on that I didn't want to. 310 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: I didn't want to take a regular path. I wanted 311 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 4: to be I don't think like I wanted to be famous. 312 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: I wanted to do something in the public eye. I 313 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: wanted to create. I wanted to inspire people. I wanted 314 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: to do something positive to impact people's lives, and I 315 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: knew that I wanted to do it with people watching. 316 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: My rise on social media was very quick, for sure, 317 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: but there's been you know, ups and downs over the years. 318 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: I had. 319 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 4: You know, when I started about a year in is 320 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: when I had my big break and I got my 321 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 4: senior photos went viral. When I rechok my senior pho tell. 322 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: Us the story behind that, because I kept seeing that 323 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: everywhere and I was like, what is the lore behind 324 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: this senior year? 325 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: I took my photos with makeup on and the lighting 326 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 4: was disgusting. 327 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: I looked terrible. 328 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: So I emailed this company being like, Hi, this is crazy, 329 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 4: but like I know how to use photoshop. Can I 330 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: either retake these photos or just like retouch them myself? 331 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: And they're like, we don't care, sure, come back on, 332 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: Like come back on these days you could just pay 333 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 4: a retake of gun I said, absolutely, you better bat 334 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to be there. So I went back, brought 335 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: my ring light, retook the photos, and then retouched them myself. 336 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 4: They let me photoshop the pictures posted on social media, 337 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: not even like not even with the attention about going viral. 338 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 4: But one of my other content creator friends at the 339 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: time was like, you should turn this into a meme. 340 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: And this was like right at the like, memes weren't 341 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: even like a thing yet. The memes at the time 342 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: were like nian Cat, the stupid pop tart rainbow thing 343 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 4: you over. 344 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: That for the closure is a world of its own. 345 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, this was like brand new, like what memes really meant. 346 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 4: So she was like, you should turn this into like 347 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: a meme, like at a funny caption about like when 348 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 4: you retake your photos and bring your ring light. And 349 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: I was sitting there being like that is so stupid, 350 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 4: and she's like, just try it. 351 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: So I posted it, not. 352 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 4: Really thinking anything of it, and literally the next morning 353 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 4: woke up to my email and being flooded with every 354 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: single news outlet. 355 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: On planet Earth being like, Hi, we need to interview 356 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: about this. 357 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Wow. 358 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: And I was like, and that was a photo that 359 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: went viral like a meme photo. 360 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: Wow, that was it. That was literally and from there 361 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 4: I got noticed by Cover Girl. I signed as cover 362 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 4: girls first ever mail ambassador for the brand. I did 363 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: my commercial with Katie Perry, Chloe Helly Bailey were in it. 364 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: At the time. 365 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 4: It was so cool. And then that I went on 366 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: The Ellen Show and from there it was like crazy. 367 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: And when you posted that photo of your senior yearbook 368 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: photo online, were you already creating beauty content on the internet? Okay, 369 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: so you had started kind of that journey. 370 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: I had already been making beauty content, but I hadn't 371 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: gone viral yet. There was a couple of I mean, 372 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: Instagram was just different background. That was like when they 373 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: had like the popular page, right, do you remember, Yes, 374 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: I do remember. 375 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: God, Like those were the days. 376 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, what I would do to go back in time 377 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: to twenty sixteen Instagram, Yeah. 378 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: Fill little notification like you made it on to the tay. 379 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Was probably iconic. 380 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: Girl. 381 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: If a time machine powered up for the ground right there, 382 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: you better bet I am jumping and that and. 383 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: Going right back right. 384 00:14:58,880 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 385 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: Those so days were just it was just an easier, simpler, 386 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: better time back then. But that was when, like it was, 387 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: it was easy for things to go viral and like 388 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: take over the entire internet like that, so that it 389 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: was really unexpected. Like I said, I when my friends suggested, 390 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: I honestly was like, that's so stupid. Yeah, but I'm 391 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: so grateful that she gave me that advice because it 392 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: definitely worked and got. 393 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Me noticed definitely. 394 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: And I feel like one of the most impressive things 395 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: that I find from beauty content in general and beauty 396 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: girls is it's like, when you start out, you're not 397 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: an expert, right, and I'm sure you were good at it, 398 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: but it's amazing, Like what gave you the call? I all? 399 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Actually, so what did your initial content look like? 400 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: Well, so I. 401 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: Started on Instagram first, okay, and I had I had 402 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: already been doing girls makeup for prom and ball at 403 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: my school beforehand. Looking back now, it wasn't bad by 404 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: any means. 405 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: And how did you get into that? Like what made you? 406 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: Because like you're interested in all these different things techi stuff, 407 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: building stuff, legos like so I was. 408 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 4: I was always a huge fan of watching YouTube, and 409 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed watching videos of like girls hairstyles. I 410 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 4: loved watching braids and just intricate liked and I just 411 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: loved that you could like change someone's hair and like 412 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 4: this like these fun like sculptural, beautiful ways for events. 413 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: I don't know why that was so fascinating to me. Well, 414 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: I mean, as a good kid, is it really not surprising? 415 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: But you know, I tried doing girls hair, just like 416 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: like on the bus or like during our middle school 417 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 4: musical rehearsals. I would like just braid the girl's hair 418 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: in front of me, and I was like, this is 419 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 4: so fun. So I started doing girls hair. And I 420 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: was in the middle of an appointment once and my 421 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: high school friend at the time, her name was Callie Noonan. 422 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: She booked me for her hair appointment, but she was 423 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: supposed to go get her makeup done at MAC after 424 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: I had finished, but she was running so behind, so 425 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: she just asked if I would do it, and I 426 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: was like, I mean, I had been watching makeup tutorials 427 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 4: online from Michelle von and Naked Tutorials and jacqulin Hill 428 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: were some of my biggest role models growing up, so 429 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: I knew what I was doing, but I had never 430 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: done it myself before. So I was like, listen, Diva, 431 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 4: I'll try this out. But if you look ugly, it is. 432 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: Not my problem. 433 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 4: This is this is a do it your own risk 434 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: type of situation. You're requesting this, I will do it. 435 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: I will fulfill your requires right now. But if this 436 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: looks ugly, it's not my problem because you miss your appointment, 437 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 4: not my fault. So I did it and it looked good, 438 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: definitely in terms of today's standards. I mean nothing in comparison, 439 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: but it was different. It was so and I kind 440 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 4: of love yeah, and it turned. 441 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: Out okay, and I was like, wait, wait, I kind 442 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 3: of ate that up. 443 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: That was fun. 444 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 4: That was fun, and she felt so beautiful, and that 445 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: to me was just the coolest feeling of like, Okay, 446 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 4: thirty minutes of playing around with these creams and powders 447 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: put a smile on this beautiful girl's face and made 448 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: her feel so confident for this really special light of hers. 449 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: That's cool. That's cool. That's why I want to do 450 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: more of that. So that's how I got into practicing with, 451 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 4: you know, with makeup as well as doing the hair 452 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: on the girlies. And then it was Halloween when I 453 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: did makeup on myself for the first time. I did 454 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: a skeleton look on myself. It's still on my Instagram 455 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 4: and for some reason, that day is what really made 456 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: me believe in Beginner's luck. Because the makeup looks that 457 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: I did on myself after that, oh my god, they 458 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: were disgusting. But for some reason, that skeleton was so 459 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: good even by today's standards. If I if I walked 460 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: out of the house right now, would that. 461 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 3: Look at it? 462 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: I'd be like, yeah, great, right, so weird. I do 463 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: not know how I did that. 464 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: Well, you were always those art, right, but it looks. 465 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: After we're bad. They were really really, really really bad. 466 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: So I just think it was a case of, like 467 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 4: Beginner's luck, this is aside from the universe, that this 468 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 4: is what I meant to be doing. So I'm so 469 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: glad that I didn't give up, right, But that was 470 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: what started it at all. 471 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like that's the most important thing with 472 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: makeup and anything in the creative world. 473 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: Like I grew up. 474 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: Painting and oil painting, right, so like it's like the 475 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: first day you oil painted, it's going to look like shit, 476 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: And then you practice and you learn kind of the 477 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: processes and the techniques behind it and you start figuring 478 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: it out. And I feel like that is also makeup art, right. 479 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: I love you have that mentality too, because that is 480 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: really what we're trying to focus a lot on with Painted. 481 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting. 482 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: You know, when we first launched the brand, my kind 483 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: of stick with makeup has always been Yeah, I don't 484 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to say educating, because truthfully, I'm not 485 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 4: an educator. 486 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: I'm not professionally trained. 487 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 4: Whenever I've done orials, I'm certainly not sitting there and 488 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: really going in depth and breaking down the steps because 489 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 4: that's not where my passion lies. It's kind of like, 490 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: you guys can watch me do this and if you 491 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: want to follow along, great, If you're just watching for 492 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 4: the entertainment value, that's cool too, you know. 493 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: So for me, but I feel like sometimes you like 494 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: even in your videos, you'll be like, I'm not going 495 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: to show you how I feel in my eyebrows because 496 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: I've showed you it hundreds of times before. 497 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's truthfully like, yeah, you know, I'm this might 498 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: come across bad. We can edit it out if it does. 499 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 4: But for me, like I'm a I'm a visual learner. 500 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: So for me, when I'm watching a video and like 501 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: somebody like does an eyeshadow look, my brain knows how 502 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 4: to recreate that if I'm watching it happen. Some people's 503 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: brains are just not wired that way. I am self 504 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: aware enough to realize that I do not. I do 505 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: not have the patience or the like educator level of 506 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 4: the educate, the educational way of explaining it to somebody. 507 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 4: I just don't care enough and like, here's how I 508 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: did it. You can follow along. 509 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: Great. 510 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 4: If this isn't for you, there are a million other 511 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 4: educators out there that actually will take, you know, thirty 512 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: to forty five minutes to really slow down and teach 513 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 4: somebody how to do it. 514 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 3: That is just not my style. I'm not a professional edit. 515 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 4: I was never trained, and there are a million people 516 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 4: that could do a far better job at that than 517 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: I can, and I recognize that. So my specialty and 518 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 4: content has always been like, sure, if you're learning from it, 519 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: that's incredible. But for me, it's more about like having 520 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: fun while doing it and really inspiring people to try. 521 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 4: Cause I think that's what's so hard with make up, 522 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: Especially for some of my more intricate, artistic, complicated makeup looks. 523 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 4: People see them and they're always blown away and like, 524 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: oh my god, how did they do that? 525 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 526 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 4: You just have to try. And when you first try, 527 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 4: it might be awful, it might be so ugly. 528 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: It probably will. 529 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: Mine were garbage when I first started, absolutely hideous. However, 530 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: I would have never gotten to the level that I 531 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: met today if I didn't just keep going. It's makeup, 532 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: it's creams, it's powder. It washes off with you know, 533 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 4: a nice gorgeous oil cleanser or a makeup wipe, not sponsored. 534 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: But you're like, take it off and start over, Maybe 535 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: try and. 536 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: Try and try again. 537 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 4: It's never going to be perfect on the first try. 538 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: It really does take practice. And that's always kind of 539 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 4: been my mantra, like all throughout YouTube, I'm not a 540 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 4: professional educator or I'm not a professional educator. 541 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: I was never professionally trained. 542 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: I got to the level that I'm at by trying, 543 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: by failing, by starting over, by attempting new techniques, by posting, 544 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: by getting feedback, and by always trying to better myself 545 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 4: and learn from people that inspire me. 546 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you touched on painted in like the beginning, 547 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: but what we were just talking about, so like, let's 548 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: go back to painted tell us a little bit, because 549 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: I think it's so cool what you're doing. You aren't 550 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: seeing other brands do what you're doing at all, Like, 551 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: it's very unique and it's so true to you. So 552 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: like to everybody listening, explain to us what Painted is 553 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: and what your goal is with the rand. 554 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 4: So with Painted, my goal is to provide pro artistry 555 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: level products to everyday consumers for an affordable price. So 556 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: when you think back to like, were you ever like 557 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 4: a Mac early? Did you ever go shopping at Mac, 558 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 4: like for makeup when you were younger? 559 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: No? 560 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. 561 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: So Mac back in the day had a pro line 562 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: where if you went into Mac, you could buy the lipsticks, 563 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 4: you could buy the islanders, you could buy the foundations. 564 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 4: But if you wanted to buy the paints, if you 565 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: wanted to buy the sponges, if you wanted to buy 566 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: the brushes, you had to have a cosmetology license and 567 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: you had to basically go in and apply for a membership, 568 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: and only then could you actually buy the pro products. 569 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: It no longer exists anymore. 570 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: And obviously I still love Max, So I don't say 571 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: this in a shady way, but I always found that 572 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 4: concept as really stupid because when I was getting into things, 573 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: I was not a professional by any stretch of the means. 574 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 4: But I wanted to be I wanted to learn, and 575 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: I wanted to use the same products that I was 576 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: watching other people use in their videos. Yeah, if I'm 577 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 4: trying to recreate that, Look, why would I want to 578 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: go in and buy the Walmart version for lack of 579 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 4: a better term, or the cheaper version, the t move version. 580 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: And you want to explain to people what you mean 581 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: by that, because do you mean, like, do you sell 582 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: certain colors and then the pro artists will mix the 583 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: colors together to get the shades that they want. 584 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: Not even that like a math pro. 585 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: There were certain products that were only available to everyday consumers, 586 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: and there were there were pro level products that were 587 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 4: only available if you had the license and if you 588 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 4: applied and got into this membership and we're paying for it. 589 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 4: So I hated that idea that like the best products 590 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: were being kept behind closed doors and you only exclusive 591 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 4: people cannot access to it. 592 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: That to me was really stupid. So for me, my 593 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: goal painted. 594 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 4: Was to provide really high quality, level, professional grade of 595 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: products to everybody. But I wanted to educate people and 596 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: show people how they can use them regardless of their 597 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: skill level. So if you're a pro, if you're a 598 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 4: working makeup artist, if you're a drag queen, if you're 599 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: you know, if you're just a makeup lover who's been 600 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: practicing for years and years and years, you can use 601 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 4: the products and they're going to give you the exact 602 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 4: performance level that you are expecting and you're used to 603 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 4: in your career path. 604 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: But if you were a beginner, you still have the 605 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: good shit. 606 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: So if you don't know how to use it, now, 607 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 4: you can sell practice and when you are good, it'll 608 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: still be there performing at the same level. 609 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: Can I tell you about something that this kind of 610 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: reminds me of? So I just did an interview. I 611 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: just did an with one of the heads of production 612 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: for Makeup for Ever, And what I didn't know about 613 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: their brand was that when they first started, it was 614 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: started by Danny Sons in nineteen eighty four. So Danny 615 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 2: Sons in nineteen eighty four started Makeup Forever and the 616 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: origin story happened. Basically, what it was was she started 617 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: out working on theater set design and she was a 618 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: painter on the theater sets, and then one day they 619 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: had a performer and the crew was like, do you 620 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: mind painting the performer, and she loved it so much 621 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: that she ended up creating a line that was all 622 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: about like professional makeup and makeup Prever obviously has turned 623 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 2: into a brand that's more about kind of everyday products, 624 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: but it was so cool hearing their origin story. And 625 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: literally I was walking around the office the headquarters in 626 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 2: New York the other day and they were showing me, 627 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: I guess they do a thing with students maybe one 628 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: year or whatever it is where they all kind of 629 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: do beautiful designs with makeup, kind of how some of 630 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: your makeup art looks. And I was walking around looking 631 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: at the art that they had printed out of these students' designs, 632 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: and I was thinking to myself, I'm like, what's so 633 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: cool about Makeup Forever is I feel like they don't 634 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: do that same level of artistry anymore, but you are. 635 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: You're like bringing it back. 636 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So what's so interesting to you that you bring 637 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: that up? And I've talked about this in our Painted 638 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 4: initial launch video. Yeah, my first product with Painted are 639 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: called Create Paints and they're literally a makeup paint. 640 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: So same thing that you were just talking about. 641 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 4: The Makeup Forever Flash palette is like a two hundred 642 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: dollars ten color cream paint pan for makeup, and that 643 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: product is what inspired me to create Create Paints. I 644 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 4: love that because in a lot of my original makeup 645 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 4: looks I would be doing these crazy, intricate, artistic looks 646 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: where I was painting my face, doing crazy designs, doing 647 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: colors all over. But I hated as great as that 648 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 4: product was, it was really expensive and they were also 649 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 4: a cream formula that didn't dry down. So that was 650 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: the inspiration behind our Create Paints was I wanted a 651 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: cream makeup paint that you could use all throughout your 652 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 4: makeup routine, whether you're a pro artist or if you're 653 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 4: a beginner, for a super affordable price. Right when we 654 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 4: launched those paints, people thought we were crazy. There were 655 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 4: immediate press articles being like this is a complete flop. 656 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: Who cares about this? 657 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 4: Like no one's gonna buy paints, no one's wearing this thing, 658 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: And I knew that it was so annoying watching those 659 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: articles come out, But I was fine with it because 660 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: to me, I was well aware that that launch was 661 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 4: never going to be a billion dollar launch for the brand. 662 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: To me, it was about establishing the brand identity, and 663 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: what we stood for. How stupid would it have been 664 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 4: if I'm like, Hi, this brand is called paints. It 665 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 4: it's all about artistry and being creative. And then my 666 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 4: first launch was, you know, a four color brown eye 667 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 4: shot up palette. 668 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 3: No one would have cared, so to me, I wanted. 669 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: I was willing to take the risk and the hit 670 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 4: on having that crazy, global, over the top launch for 671 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: making sure that I was launching a product that was 672 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: true to me as an artist and that would establish 673 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 4: what the brand stands for. And sure, we didn't have 674 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 4: a ten trillion dollar launch day, but. 675 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: We still sold out. 676 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: And those paints ended up on Beyonce, those paints ended 677 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: up on Nicki Minaj, those paints ended up on Cardi b. 678 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: Those paints ended up on Becky g. Those paints have 679 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 4: ended up on a different incredible celebrities that I am 680 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 4: so grateful that their makeup artists have trusted me and 681 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 4: my formulation and my labs and. 682 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: My product design. 683 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: But they've also ended up on girlies, guys, moms, dads 684 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: and everybody in between all across the world that have 685 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: never tried makeup before. 686 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: And that's what the whole. 687 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: Point was, is that sure the idea of a paint 688 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 4: in your makeup routine might seem really crazy. I get it, 689 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: I completely understand. But when you realize that you can 690 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: use the brown as eyeliner, you can use the block 691 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 4: in your waterliner, smoke it out, you can use the 692 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 4: rid as a lipstick, you can use the pink as 693 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 4: a blush. It can It's a multi use product that 694 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily need to be for crazy artistic makeup books. 695 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 4: And I think that was so cool to launch the 696 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 4: brands in a different way that really set us up 697 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 4: for long term success in the future and hopefully a 698 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: platform to really bring back creativity and artistry to an 699 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 4: industry that has kind of fallen off of it a 700 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: little bit at least in terms of the gene, social 701 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: media culture, beauty space. 702 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's like you launched with a very niche thing 703 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: targeting a very specific audience, and now it's kind of 704 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: you get the opportunity to educate people on what we're 705 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: doing right now. You know, why do these pro artists 706 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: use this style of paint? Why is Beyonce wearing it 707 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: on stage? How can you make it something that you 708 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: use on a day to day basis? And you know, 709 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: you can always evolve and implement more products the way 710 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: these other of course. 711 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: But that's why I just thought it was really interesting 712 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 4: that people were like, he's like releasing the stupid product. 713 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: It's going to be a flop. And I just really 714 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 4: think that there was no strategy behind. 715 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: This hell out because some of my favorite videos that 716 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: you've done are ones where you show how talented you 717 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: are at art and you do portraits and different things, 718 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: and yeah, I just think it's so cool. 719 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: So when you launched it, I was like, Wow, this 720 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: makes so much sense for him. 721 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: And again, like you said, you're saying so true to yourself, 722 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: so it really is amazing. Really quickly, I just want 723 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: to back up and talk about like when you first 724 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: moved to LA, moved to LA so young to live 725 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: on your own out here. What made you at the 726 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: time want to move to LA. Was it that all 727 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: the beauty gurus at the time were living out here? 728 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So my opportunity with cover Girl had come before that. 729 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 4: So I signed with cover Girl when I was seventeen, 730 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: but I was already coming out to LA so frequently 731 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 4: to work with them for different photo shoots for different events. 732 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: At that point, I had around like a million followers 733 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: at this time, So I was already traveling so often 734 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: just to continue pursuing my career that it made the 735 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: most amount of sense to me. You know, I got really, really, 736 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 4: really lucky. I had incredible educators and teachers and a 737 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 4: support system around me in my high school growing up. 738 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: They were really really. 739 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 4: Understanding of what was happening, and you know, I was 740 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: really blessed because not every school is that way, but 741 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 4: I think they really had the mentality of, like, you know, 742 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: our job as educators and as administrators are to make 743 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 4: sure that our high school students. 744 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: Have a path to success. 745 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 4: So although I wasn't taking their tradition one, it was 746 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 4: imminent that I was going to do something really special. 747 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: So during my senior year, I had already started doing 748 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 4: all these things. I was in school for three out 749 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: of the first ten weeks of the semester, so I 750 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: took it upon myself to go into the guidance councilor 751 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: and be like, hey, I gotta go, Yeah, I have 752 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 4: to move. I want to get out of here. Help 753 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 4: me graduate early. And thank god, I had already been 754 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: taking all AP and honors classes, so I almost had 755 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: expected I had almost enough credits to graduate twice, right, 756 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: I just had. I was missing up. You're gonna love this. 757 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: I was missing gym credits. 758 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: Perfect, stupid gym credits. 759 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So he was not running high school mile. 760 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: I was, and I got a great time too, but 761 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 4: I didn't have enough gym credit, so I had to 762 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 4: write like a couple of like physical fitness essays about 763 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 4: like the body whatever I was doing. 764 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: But that's always so. 765 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: So you graduatedly, what were your parents like? 766 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: I know, I saw a video of yours that you 767 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: posted showing the setup that your dad created for you 768 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: at your childhood home. Yeah. Actually when you post that video, 769 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 2: I commented on it and you liked my So that 770 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: was our first little like social media dress fun. Yes, 771 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: And I love that so much because it was so 772 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: cool to see how much your parents supported your goals, 773 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: especially when YouTube at the time was so fresh and 774 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: so new. 775 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. Truthfully, it wasn't always that way, okay, And they 776 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 4: were never they were never against it, but they were 777 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 4: definitely really hesitant, as any parents should be, right, like your. 778 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: Kid coming home and be like, hey, I'm gonna be 779 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: famous online. 780 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 4: WHOA, No, that's crazy, that's crazy, So they were definitely 781 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 4: really hesitant to be like, what's going on here, where 782 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 4: is this money coming from? 783 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 3: Who are you working with? 784 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: They were definitely very protective in that sense, and it 785 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: was also really hard to because I did have really 786 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 4: good grades. So my parents were like, you're going to college. 787 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 4: We have these offers from these various schools, we have 788 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 4: scholarships on the table. You're not going to abandon that 789 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: and you think you're going to be an influencer in 790 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: LA haha, And those that they know, I'm like, sorry, 791 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 4: it's already happening well. 792 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: Because at the time, it's like your parents are used 793 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: to LA and Hollywood and actors. It's like, it's amazing 794 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: how much the beauty industry. I mean, it's amazing how 795 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: it's always been a huge space to you know, do 796 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: really well. 797 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: But really lucky I had, you know, I had a 798 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: lot of friends already in LA that I was meeting 799 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: from different events and from different just trips and stuff, 800 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: and they were able to meet them and know that 801 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 4: I had a good support system here built around me already, 802 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 4: so it's not like I was truly moving here alone. 803 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: I lived with one of my best friend's family for 804 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: like six or seven months on and off over in 805 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 4: Wady or maybe like an hour away from here. And 806 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: you know, her mom put her name on my lease 807 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: when I moved to LA for the first time because 808 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 4: I couldn't find to lease myself because I was having teams, right, 809 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 4: So I was really lucky that I had great people 810 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 4: around me to help me and take care of me 811 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 4: when I was, you know, just a kid being here, 812 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 4: So that was really incredible. And my parents had already 813 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 4: met them from the different trips, so they knew that 814 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily alone. 815 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: But I think, as any parent. 816 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 4: Should be, they were just worried that I was, you know, 817 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: gonna make the right decisions, that I would come here 818 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 4: and you know, wouldn't get overwhelmed with partying or drugs 819 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: or drink or just the lacne in general. But you know, 820 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 4: I think I had really worked super hard to prove 821 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 4: to them that I had a good head on my 822 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 4: shoulders and that I really wanted this. Yeah, I wasn't 823 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 4: gonna let it, you know, slip away. 824 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it was cool that there were other examples 825 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: in the space of people already living out here like 826 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: you were truly part of such an iconic I'm going 827 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: to call it such an iconic class of beauty girls, right, yeah, yeah, 828 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think were like the pros 829 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: and cons of being part of this amazing like people, 830 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, I used. 831 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: To love watching like all of you guys. 832 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 4: You know, I think, you know, there there was definitely 833 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 4: a golden age of like the beauty community on YouTube, 834 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 4: and I think it really did provide such a crazy 835 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 4: sort of entertainment for people for a very long time. 836 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 4: At the same time, I think it also got really 837 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: toxic really quickly, just because there was so much money, 838 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 4: so many views, and just so many different players involved 839 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 4: in the space. I think that, you know, it's really interesting. 840 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 4: One thing that I've always like paid attention to over 841 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 4: the years is, you know, it's very natural that people 842 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: become friends and maybe go their separate ways, or people 843 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 4: grow apart. And I think that, you know, when the 844 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 4: audience is watching, it makes growing or being an adult 845 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 4: really difficult because people are paying attention too closely to 846 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 4: things like that. And I think with being an influencer, 847 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 4: you know, really a lot of times the only things 848 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 4: we have in common is making content online. So I 849 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 4: think there was just a lot of really crazy, fun, 850 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 4: entertaining personalities that worked for a second and maybe didn't 851 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 4: work at another certain point. 852 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: And that's fine, absolutely. 853 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 4: But I think it was really cool to grow up 854 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 4: in that era and be a part of something that 855 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 4: really was so impactful to so many people. And as 856 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 4: much you know, drama or crazy things online that may 857 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 4: have happened, there are some really great people out there 858 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 4: that are still making great content. You know, Nicki Tatorrels 859 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 4: is my absolute favorite people in the entire world, who 860 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: is always so sweet and so helpful to me growing up. 861 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: Same thing with Jaqueline Hell. 862 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 4: Jaqueline was one of my biggest role models and I 863 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 4: got to meet her when I was seventeen years old. 864 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 4: She was so kind to me when she didn't have 865 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 4: to be, and she was so just willing to offer advice, 866 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 4: to help, just to be a friend. And you know, 867 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 4: there were a lot of people like that as well. 868 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 4: So I will, I really, I will forever be grateful 869 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 4: for those times and how they shape me to be 870 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 4: the guru that I am. 871 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a good That was such a 872 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: well worded answer, you like all you What I love 873 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: about James is his answers like your answers answer my 874 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: follow up questions, which is perfect. 875 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: As we wrap it up, I heard you in. 876 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: We talked about escape rooms in the beginning of his interview, 877 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: and I heard you once in an interview say your 878 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: career is like an escape room where you're always trying 879 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: to get out and get to the next level. Yeah, 880 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 2: so I'm curious what is the level that you feel 881 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: like you're currently in and where are we trying to go? 882 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a great question. 883 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: Also, that was an iconic quote. I was like, look 884 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: at him using these analogies. 885 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 3: I love. 886 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 887 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 4: I think for me, you know, the last couple of 888 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: years have really been about, like I would say, like 889 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 4: reinventing myself. I've been doing this for a very long 890 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 4: time now, and I think that through making especially long 891 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 4: form content for so long, I think that people really 892 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 4: had a super solidified idea of who I was as 893 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 4: a human being from my content. And it was really funny, 894 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: you know, growing up, my friends would always say like, gosh, James, 895 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 4: like I wish you would just be more yourself in 896 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 4: your videos. People would just love it, and I was like, what, 897 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about? Because I never felt 898 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 4: like I was playing a character. Of course, as soon 899 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 4: as the camera turns on, you know, we all have 900 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: a more energetic personality. Of course, I always focus on, 901 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 4: you know, making sure I had a future for myself 902 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 4: and my family. So I was watching what I was saying. 903 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 4: I was making sure that I was being brand and 904 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 4: family friendly to make the most amount of AD revenue. 905 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 4: I'm not ashamed to say that. But for the most part, 906 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 4: I always felt like I was being myself. But my 907 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 4: friends would always be like, no, girl, like this is 908 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 4: not you. Like, when you truly figure out how to 909 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 4: like be yourself, that's when you'll be unstoppable. And I 910 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 4: never really got it until quite honestly, like the last 911 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 4: like maybe two years, just like from being on TikTok 912 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 4: and from starting my spamach hount and just posting random 913 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 4: rants and tangents and going on live streams and sometimes 914 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: saying some things that are a little too unhinged. 915 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: I managers calling me be like, get a funny you do. 916 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 4: But you know, people responded so well to like seeing 917 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 4: what I'm really like behind the scenes. I think that, 918 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 4: you know, I've also gone through plenty of ups and downs. 919 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 4: I will never you know hide away from that, But 920 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 4: in those situations, I've always tried to use embarrassing or 921 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 4: bad moments to truthfully learn and grow and try to 922 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 4: become a better, smarter, stronger person. That's how I've always 923 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 4: looked at everything. So to me, after doing this for 924 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 4: so long, I now have the mentality of like, I'm 925 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 4: just gonna have fun. I have seen that a career 926 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 4: or social media cloud or relevancy can truly go away 927 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 4: in a matter of a couple of hours and can 928 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 4: come back later on as well. So I used to 929 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 4: really focus every single day on what am I doing today? 930 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 4: How can I do this? How can I do this? 931 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 4: How can I gain more followers, how can I. 932 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 3: Get more views this? 933 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 4: And of course I still do have that mentality that's 934 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 4: part of running a business, but I think now more 935 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 4: than ever, I'm just really trying to have fun and 936 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 4: make things that I'm proud of. And I think that 937 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 4: the audience will always find its way if they're interested 938 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 4: in watching what you're putting out there. 939 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: I love that it's so important too. 940 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: I think like with content, it can be so stressful 941 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: and sometimes the fun can get sucked out of it, 942 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: and I feel like the best videos and the most 943 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: organic videos come from just having fun with it, So 944 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: I love that so much. You are amazing guys. James 945 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 2: is the best person on and off camera. When I 946 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 2: showed up here, I swear to god, you were like 947 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: your aura was just so kind and sweet. 948 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 3: So I love that thing. Yeah. 949 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thank you so much for welcoming my team into 950 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 2: your home. 951 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 4: Pleased to have you guys. Thanks for coming everybody, Thank you, 952 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. This is a blast. 953 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: I love you. Maybe next time I'll get you go 954 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: for a run. 955 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 3: You won't, but you're welcome to indite me. 956 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: Okay, that's ron. 957 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, We'll see you next time on post run high. 958 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe. 959 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 3: Timbs up clicked about icon Hm