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Speaker 1: M from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 1: or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel, and today I am Ben. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you to know. At least, we hope you're feeling like yourself,

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Speaker 1: and if you're feeling like someone else, well it's nice

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Speaker 1: to talk to that person too. We have a very

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Speaker 1: special announcement as we begin the show today. We are

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Speaker 1: I believe we are the last show recording for the year.

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Speaker 1: We're on the cusp. Gentleman, that is correct as long

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Speaker 1: as we finish after Jonathan finishes his session. That's happening

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Speaker 1: simultaneously theoretically. Theoretically yes, which means that by the time

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Speaker 1: you hear this, it will be twenty sixteen. So there's

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Speaker 1: something that we would like to wish you guys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: good luck, Mary New New Order Day? Oh what what? Mary?

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Speaker 1: New Order Day? Is this thing? Nolan I started and

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Speaker 1: started it's take it off. Well, it was more like

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Speaker 1: Walter White. I'm kind of wood shopping and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to try it out. It's quite yet.

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Speaker 1: only cool but a television events. So happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to you guys. So today, whether or not we are

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Speaker 1: the last podcast, we are definitely the first podcast for

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Speaker 1: stuff they want you know. Twenty sixteen and today we're

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Speaker 1: talking about something that's somewhat a propose. Correct, Yes, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about profits and the seeing into the future and

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Speaker 1: predicting things that are to come. Maybe perhaps yes, an

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Speaker 1: idea that goes back to the earliest days of religion,

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Speaker 1: right the oracle of Delphi, where wherein these priestesses would

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Speaker 1: that is a very cool image and I wish I

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Speaker 1: could have seen that right. Funny story about the famous

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Speaker 1: oracles at Delphi is that the predictions or mutterings of

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Speaker 1: these priestesses were interpreted by their us we'll find. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a commonality that we will seem among different profits.

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Speaker 1: And I should note that the people who were performing

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Speaker 1: these acts of divination, those were the specifically the oracles.

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Speaker 1: So the English word prophecy appears in Europe in the

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Speaker 1: Greek um. This comes from a word that's profema, which

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Speaker 1: what we see is that even before then people have

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Speaker 1: been making predictions, right, Well, yeah, it's a fun thing

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Speaker 1: palms or terroris? Oh? It's groundhog Day. It's the one

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Speaker 1: Skeptics like James Randy will tell us that most prophecies

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Speaker 1: where it's the Latin name for like the lower stretch

426
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Speaker 1: of the Danube. Okay, okay, so yeah, so that that Sunds.

427
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: We're Here's just the show everybody, how different these translations

428
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: can be. We've got the original friends Shire, which I'm

429
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: not going to butcher, but then someone else translates it

430
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: to remember what um what we just heard from no earlier?

431
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Someone else says, beast wild with hunger shall cross the rivers.

432
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: Most of the fighting shall be close by the history.

433
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: It shall result in the great One being dragged in

434
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: an iron cage, while the Germans shall be watching over

435
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: the infant rhine. What vastly? Yeah? Yeah, and so what

436
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: what part of that is fabricated? Right? Uh? So again,

437
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: you can read various interpretations of this, especially with no

438
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Stradamus in mind, because there's so many, so many translations

439
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: that are people actually trying to transliterate. I mean, the

440
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: original is so innocuous. It's just it's like in a

441
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: place not far from Venus, like like it's how much

442
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: more vague can you be? And then it gets it

443
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: gets more specific, and they will be said to have

444
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: come cries tears at Malta and the Ligurian side. It's

445
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: just so open ended, you know that you can just

446
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: shoehorn whatever idea you want into that if you choose. Now,

447
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: is that what you think is happening? I think it's

448
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: what's happening with this other translation that you're talking about.

449
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: And I think, like you say, it's it's if you

450
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: get excited about the idea that maybe this guy really

451
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: did have something, your brain starts to make all these

452
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: leaps and fill in the gaps, and you know, kind

453
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: of like what is the confirmation bias? Kind of Yeah,

454
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: this this makes me think about so many other things.

455
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: We've looked at the psychotronics studies in the USSRUH in

456
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: the aftermath of World War Two, the various m k

457
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: ultra type experiments people have tried to conduct with or um.

458
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: Was it stargate with INGOs Swan, where people were trying

459
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: to access what they were certain was an extra sensory ability.

460
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm not here to say that that stuff conclusively doesn't exist,

461
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: though it is true that governments have spent a lot

462
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: of money on things that ultimately didn't pan out. Well, yeah,

463
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: and that's why we had to do right. We talked

464
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: about this, but with the reason why the United States

465
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: government had to do research into this, uh, this this

466
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: subject is because it was being done by the other side.

467
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: And if the other side somehow unlocked psychic powers or

468
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: these you know, ways to see through buildings and perhaps

469
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: even moved to them and we didn't have it, oh

470
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: we're in trouble if they've got X men and we don't.

471
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, but okay, I while I get that, it's

472
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: also somewhat disingenuous, and I know this is a bit

473
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: of a different topic. It's disingenuous, uh, at least on

474
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the part of some members of the military the bureaucracy,

475
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: because clearly it's war is good for the winner's economy, right,

476
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: so it's also a way to rationalize more spending. We'll

477
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: watch out this week thing. I mean, remember, we live

478
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: in a country where mere decades ago someone said, what

479
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: if we could make a bomb, it would just turn

480
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: people gay? Yeah, what if? Why don't we just try

481
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: that and let's spend a couple let's spend a couple

482
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: of mill on it and just see if that's a

483
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: real thing. All right, So we should mention though one

484
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: common misinterpretation about nostradamis is that he created all of

485
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: his work independently. That is not true. He pulled. There's

486
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: pretty convincing evidence that he pulled from existing literature of

487
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: his time, histories, things like that. So a lot of

488
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: his work is referential, but not necessarily referring to future events.

489
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: It's referring to or alluding to existing works in his

490
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: time in the fifteen hundreds, similar to the way that T. S.

491
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Eliot's The Waste Land refers so heavily and is so

492
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: elusive in terms of it how it leans on other

493
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: existing works. So some of these prophecies are these translations

494
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: or more amalgamations of other things. He didn't write this

495
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: all independently, and he didn't predict the end of the

496
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: world the Mayan cycle, which itself is kind of based

497
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: on a mistranslation. In Instead, he said his prophecies extend

498
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: from now to the year thirties, seven, nineties seven or

499
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: something like that is a long time from now, that's

500
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: a while, a really long time from fifteen five. But

501
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: his major astrological source at the time, Richard Rousseau, said

502
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that forty two might be a date for the end

503
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: of the world. Uh I don't remember the arcane logic

504
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: they use, and three seven nine seven minus fifteen fifty

505
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: five when he published the book is twenty two two.

506
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I was gonna say one, that's

507
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: probably a better, better year. It's just so funny because

508
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: when you it doesn't matter who you are. I don't

509
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: care how popular you are among any circles. If you

510
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: just throw out a number like that, I don't know.

511
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Well I'll throw I'll throw out a number for you.

512
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Um well, I can't. I know this is weird because

513
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you much about the person who told

514
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: me this, but I am convinced by this source the

515
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: world is ending for someone or some group of people.

516
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: Every every day and every year. There are between fifty

517
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: and two hundred apocalyptic groups who believe that this is

518
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: it is a big finish. And without without being disrespectful

519
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: or dismissing these people's beliefs, I will say that there's

520
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: something inherently narcissistic and self center to assume that a

521
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: thing that existed for thousands of years is going to

522
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: stop that and you showed up just in time. Job.

523
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's something inherently not selfish but self

524
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: important about that And so far, the one thing that

525
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: all apocalyptic groups have in common is that they have

526
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: not accurately predicted the end of the world. You know,

527
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: my favorite end of the world um prophecy is what

528
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: are you guys familiar with the Church of the SubGenius.

529
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: So they celebrate this holiday every year in July fifth,

530
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: called X Day and UM. Initially X Day was supposed

531
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: to be the end of the world and was supposed

532
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: to be on July, at which point um an alien

533
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: race known as the exists or men from Planet X

534
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: would come to Earth and destroy the world and rid

535
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: the world of the quote normals or pinks or glorps

536
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: which or the non sub genii that inhabit the planet.

537
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: But you know, as as you know, from time time happens,

538
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: everyone makes mistakes. The creators of the Church of the

539
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: SubGenius got the calendar date wrong, uh and apparently looked

540
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: at it upside down. So it's actually going to take

541
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: place in the year eight six sixty one. Who So

542
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: that gives them plenty of padding there, you know, their

543
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: parties up until the new end of the world comes.

544
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: So I love I love SubGenius because it takes all

545
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the wind out of these kind of endo the world

546
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: death conspiracies, you know, and just sort of like it's

547
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: a very tongue in cheek and I'm a big fan.

548
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I again, you guys know that I have

549
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: a fascination with alternative religious beliefs. I guess is the

550
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: most fair way to dance around the word cults. But

551
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: the thing that fascinating to me is that there are

552
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: so many instances where someone predicts the end of the world.

553
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: And you know, apocalypse or of an apocalyptic event does

554
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: not necessarily mean the end of the world. We use

555
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: it that way in English today, but what it means

556
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: at heart is the revealing of hidden things. So that

557
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: revelation right the end of the world. It's become conflated

558
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: or synonymous in modern speech, but a lot of these

559
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: groups will talk more in terms of a great spiritual

560
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: revelation and when't they are wrong. If the date comes

561
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: and it passes, then there's a wealth of a plethora,

562
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: And I am using that word correctly of reasons that

563
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: the thing will have to be adjusted. So kudos to

564
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: the SubGenius Church for moving and giving themselves a little

565
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: bit of a buffer. I hope they make it to

566
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: the eight hundreds eight thousands. Okay, So next is someone

567
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: who might be a deep cut for some listeners. This

568
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: actually might be new to some of you out there,

569
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoy it. Let's talk about the

570
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: Nostradamis of the Balkans, as she is sometimes called. You're

571
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to see her name. Baba Vanga, like Baba Yaga,

572
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: the Russian witch of folklore, but Baba Vanga born Vangelia

573
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Pandeva Dimitrova in January nineteen eleven. She was in She

574
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: was born in what was then known as the Ottoman Empire,

575
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: and when she was born she was completely normal until

576
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: the age of twelve. Yeah, and allegedly, or at least

577
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: according to stories, she was blinded during a storm that

578
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: occurred when she was only twelve years old. I almost

579
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: wanted to seem blinded by the light. No, that's messed up, ben,

580
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: and don't do that well. Um, But yeah, So she

581
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: was missing for a number of days. At some point

582
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: she had that kind of mystical thing where she's disappeared

583
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: but now she's returned. Her eyes were when she returned

584
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: sealed shut, and her family couldn't afford to get them fixed,

585
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: couldn't take her to the doctor or the uh yeah,

586
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: let's say the doctor. So she was going to be

587
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: blind for the rest of her life, but yeah, she

588
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: was going to have that sense replaced, at least according

589
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: to her and her supporters. She claimed she began having

590
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: visions during the first few days of her disappearance, and

591
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: that's a super common trope in you know, historical accounts

592
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: of um prophets or sybyls, right, like, that's a thing,

593
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the blind prophet, you know, yes, and mythology

594
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: and what and also yeah, in history and leaving and

595
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: not being seen for a period of time then returning

596
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: and then this completely changed the new things. And that

597
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: goes back to Joseph Campbell, right, I was saying when

598
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: that that that period of disappearances when you know, some

599
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: significant events took place and changed the person's perspective wherever. Yeah,

600
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I would recommend Hero with a Thousand Faces or Heroes

601
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: Journey by Joseph Campbell to learn some more of that.

602
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: This happened in real life. She believed that because of

603
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: her visions in her quest, she could predict the future

604
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: and heal people using otherworldly powers and scientists and government officials,

605
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: not to mention the wealthy, came to visit her for advice.

606
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: According to the story, she served as an advisor to

607
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: the Bulgarian Communist Party leaders, who would ask her questions

608
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: to advance their cause. Right in the Great in the

609
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Great Game of geopolitical intrigue, she was kept under surveillance

610
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: by the secret police, and politicians and businessmen would come

611
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: meet with her. And that I can believe because if

612
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: your secret police, you want to bug those conversations. Yeah,

613
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: even if even if what she's telling them is completely untrue,

614
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: just having those individuals in a room speaking, Yeah, we're

615
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna bug that if we're in charge. So let's talk

616
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: about her specific prophecies. Right. According to The Independent, she

617
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: allegedly predicted the forty four US president would be black

618
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: also the last president, which is predictions of who will

619
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: be the last president are distressingly common. Uh, And I

620
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of them are made up by people

621
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: on the internet. But as well, she has thought to

622
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: have predicted uh nine eleven. And we we have the

623
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: quote from the Guardian here, and here's that image that

624
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: seemed to crop up and that was attributed to Notre

625
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: damas horror, horror. The American Brethren will fall after being

626
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: attacked by the steel Birds, the wool will be howling

627
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: in a bush, and innocent blood will gush. So clearly

628
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: that steel Bird's imagery was pilfered from this and kind

629
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: of connected with some nostradamous lines and then you know,

630
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: thrown out there on the internet. Now, one study, uh,

631
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: one one study says that she was accurate. I have

632
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: a hard time believing this. This game from Dr Georgie Lozonov,

633
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: who is director of the Institute of I'm not making

634
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: this up. Suggest ology and parapsychology and Sophia Bulgaria and

635
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: uh he said that I like that word suggest ology,

636
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: suggests ologies. Sounds very subgenious. So there's also here's the thing.

637
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Though this was a legit place at thirty staff members.

638
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: The Bulgarian government was paying for it. They thought that

639
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: a lot of Baba Anga's predictive abilities, especially the stuff

640
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: where she was looking for lost relatives and friends, were

641
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: pretty accurate. However, the issue with this is you can

642
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: find it in the methodology. You know. I'll post this

643
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: online if anybody wants to check it out. But we've

644
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: talked before about parapsychology experiments and how easy it is

645
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: to how easy it is to do something that renders

646
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: the experiment on sound um. Anyhow, there's also the additional

647
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: side note that many of the people who are close

648
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: to Bob a Vanka during her life claims she never

649
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: made prophecies attributed to her on the internet. She died,

650
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: and she left behind several other alleged predictions for the future.

651
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: Vice has a good Vice has a good article on it,

652
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: and we can check in with that maybe towards the

653
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: close of the show. Well, let's move on, because I

654
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what other people say about Bob

655
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: a Vanka. But we would be remiss if we did

656
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: not talk about another um, another profit or seer that

657
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: you ladies and gentlemen asked us to check out for

658
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: a while now. Yeah, and it's also getting a little

659
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: bit closer to the present day, which is kind of cool.

660
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: So it's somebody that actually has stuff written down about them,

661
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: perhaps even books that are published with English that we

662
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: will be able to understand readily. Right. Oh, also, our

663
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: first English speaker that's correct of this of this run,

664
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: and that goes to Mr Edgar Casey, Casey was born

665
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: in March of eighteen seventy seven and passed away in

666
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: January of He had a pretty interesting alias, I guess

667
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: you could say, which was the Sleeping Profit, because he

668
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: would go into these trances, these kind of like fugue

669
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: states reveries when he was diagnosing illnesses or recounting ancient wisdom,

670
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: were just making these different predictions that that is fascinating

671
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: to me. And a lot of the I would say

672
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: pop culture references to a lot of things where someone

673
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: will go into a trance and then make a prediction

674
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: like this. I feel like it's especially in film, goes

675
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: back to maybe being influenced by this guy. Also some

676
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: of the theatrics of uh, you know, communicating with spirits

677
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: and the seance or something where you know, the medium

678
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: would sort of rock back and forth and enter into this, uh,

679
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: this trance like state and then be inhabited by the

680
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: spirit of a past loved one, you know. As we know,

681
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that was you know, largely theater, but

682
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: definitely was a very impactful presentation for folks of the

683
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: time for sure. And as we said before, this guy

684
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: is very well documented, perhaps the most well documented profit

685
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: that we know of and we even know a lot

686
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: about his history growing up in early life. Right, yeah,

687
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: you can. You can find various different accounts. We'll read

688
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: one from someone who we'll we'll read one from Edgar

689
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: Casey on Atlantis, which was which contains several statements about

690
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: his beliefs regarding Atlantis, delivered under his trance, edited by

691
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: the director the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Hugh Lynn Casey,

692
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: a descendant. And we'll also talk about the A R

693
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: E a little bit too. So the thing is that, um,

694
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be in his waking life, pretty

695
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: good husband's olive father, uh taught Sunday school, pretty nice guy,

696
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: gifted protect professional photographer, But when he was in a

697
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: trance he became a medical diagnostician, a prophet, a proponent

698
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: of biblical lore. So even as a child in Kentucky,

699
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: his parents said that he displayed powers of perception that

700
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: seemed to go beyond the five senses. At the age

701
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: six or seven, he told his parents he was able

702
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to see and talk to visions, sometimes of dead relatives.

703
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories about him. His parents said

704
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: that he probably had no overactive imagination, but one of

705
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: my favorite stories is that apparently he was able to

706
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: learn by some sort of range osmosis uh. Sleeping with

707
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: his head on school books, he got a photographic memory,

708
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: which helped him advance rapidly in school. This faded uh

709
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: as he grew older, and he was only able to

710
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: complete complete the seventh grade of formal education. Uh. So

711
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: he started to develop a paralysis of the throat muscles

712
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: in and was in his early twenties. Doctors weren't able

713
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: to find a cause for this condition, so they tried everything.

714
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: They tried hypnosis too, and then, in desperation, Casey apparently

715
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: asked one of his friends to help him achieve the

716
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: same kind of trance he had used when he was

717
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: sleeping on school books as a kid. And then all

718
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he uh did the old diagnose thyself

719
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: physician kind of thing, and he got medicine and recommended

720
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: a therapy that restored his voice, cured his throat. A

721
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: group of doctors came by and started asking him to

722
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: diagnose their own patients. One thing leads to another, Wow

723
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: really and uh yeah, and he becomes the sleeping profits.

724
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: So when he dies in forty five in Virginia, left

725
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: well over fourteen thousand documented stenographic records of the statements

726
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: he had given for more than eight thou and different

727
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: people over forty three years. So we got a lot

728
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: of stuff on them. So the Association for Research and

729
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: Enlightenment which we mentioned exists today. It is a nonprofit

730
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: organization founded to facilitate the study of his work. You

731
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: can see their website right now, it's Edgar Casey dot Org.

732
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're driving or something, don't don't do

733
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: it while you're driving and see perhaps he has a

734
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: prediction that applies to you, or does he. Because here

735
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: is the thing about Edgar Casey, ladies and gentlemen, he

736
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: because he is so well documented, we also know a

737
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: lot of what he got wrong, not interpretively wrong, but

738
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: factually inaccurate. One example that really sticks out is that

739
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: he said the pilt Down Man was real, the Piltown

740
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: Man being a famous hoax where the jaw of an

741
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: orangutang was combined with the cranium of a modern human

742
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: to argue that there was this evidence of human evolution

743
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: in uh in the area of its discovery, which was

744
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: puilt out in East Sussex. So Edgar Casey, however, said

745
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: that this was evidence of an Atlantean race or a

746
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: someone who survived in Atlantis or was from Atlantis. UH

747
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: colonizer specifically, who had traveled to Britain. And in ninety three,

748
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a little bit after Casey's death, it was exposed as

749
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: hopes he read through the Bible entirely each year and

750
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: this helped him reconcile his Christian beliefs with the metaphysical

751
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: stuff he he said while he was in a trance.

752
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 1: He's often called one of the founders of the New

753
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Age movement. However, critics say that he UH. Critics say

754
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: that he cribbed some stuff from other authors like Carl

755
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Young or Elena Blovotsky from the Theosophy movement. I don't

756
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily plagiarism, though. If it is a

757
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: real trance, people might just be free associating, you know

758
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. We've all been in that area between

759
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: sleep and wakefulness, where sleep paralysis occurs and where thoughts

760
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: spring unbidden. You know, you're singing a song you love

761
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: and then realize it doesn't exist in the real world

762
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: and that your mind is writing it for you. I'm

763
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm there right now, man, So most of

764
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: the weirder beliefs about Atlantis come from cases. When you

765
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: hear people talk about fantastically advanced civilization brought to Ruin

766
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: by meddling with strange powers, some of that comes from Casey.

767
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: And if you would like to learn more about Edgar Casey,

768
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: you can again check out their website Edgar Casey dot org.

769
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: You can also, let's see, I would there are a a

770
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: ton of books. Yeah, there are a ton of books,

771
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: but I recommend looking at stuff from that society because

772
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: at least although they definitely are starting with the opinion

773
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: that the guy is correct, uh, they're also using the

774
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: actual translations, so you won't run into a nostrodamist thing

775
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: where someone made it up. Okay, that makes sense. So

776
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: start with the materials from Casey dot org and then

777
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: maybe move on to another spot, get some other books

778
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: and stuff like that if you really want to deep

779
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: delve deep into this. I do like the head or

780
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: the header on the pages. Edgar Casey's are a r E,

781
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: which stands for Association for Research and Enlightenment, acted since

782
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty one. They do have a health SWAS center.

783
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: Did you mention that already? Because you can go you

784
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: can go there. I mean, if you really want to

785
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: get into this, head on out. Where is it? Where

786
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: is the main main office? Looks like it's in Virginia Beach,

787
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: Virginia Beach, Virginia, right, that's where he was living at

788
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: the time. To see what the what the scene is like.

789
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: It would be nice to be nice to visit that.

790
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Here's another prediction that he got wrong. It seems that

791
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: the US were discovering Atlantean death ray as in a

792
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: death ray from the Law Civilization of Atlantis in nineteen

793
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: Got it wrong or did he been beat me to

794
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: the punch? We don't know at this point. Perhaps sometime

795
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: we will in the future. We do want to end, however,

796
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: on something a little bit difference. We're talking about secrets,

797
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: so let's not just talk about another secret. Let's talk

798
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: about three at once, and that would be the three

799
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: Secrets of Fatima. This is a little bit different because

800
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't involve um, it doesn't involve lifelong career sort

801
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: of profits, you know, like Edgar Casey, No tre Damas

802
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: Baba Vanga spent decades uh making predictions. This, however, is this, however,

803
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: is something different that involves apparently divine direct divine intervention.

804
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: So these three young Portuguese shepherds le see A Santos primarily,

805
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: and then her cousins are visited by an apparition of

806
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary several times, starting on the thirteenth of

807
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: May nineteen seventeen. They said they were visited six times

808
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: between May and October that year. Now this apparition is

809
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: popularly own as our Lady of Fatima. She entrusted the

810
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: children with three secrets in July nine seventeen. Two of

811
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: these secrets were revealed in nineteen forty one at the

812
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: request of a bishop named Jose Alvas Correa del Silva,

813
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: and he wanted to assist with the publication of a

814
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: new edition of a book on one of the cousins.

815
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: As for the third secret, the bishop ordered her to

816
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: put it in writing. Lucia wrote it down, sealed it

817
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: in an envelope that wasn't not supposed to be opened

818
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: until nineteen sixty when it would quote appear clearer. The

819
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: text of this third secret was officially released by poop

820
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: John Paul the second in two thousand or or was

821
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: it because some people claim that it was not the

822
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: entire secret, and we will never know for sure because

823
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: only a few people were actually in control of that information, right. Yeah,

824
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: it reminds me of when we did some of the

825
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: we did some of our earlier episodes on the the

826
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Restricted Material and the Vatican Archives, because the secret archives

827
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: of Vatican are real, but they're using secret in a

828
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: different way. It's still tricky though, because you can request

829
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: something if you know exactly what you're requesting. Yeah. I

830
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: feel like someone should make a list of all possible

831
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: things that could ever exist and then just submit them

832
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: daily to the Vatican. What what are the What are

833
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: the secrets? Yes, great question. Okay, So the first secret

834
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 1: is a vision of hell. I've got some of the text.

835
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Our ladies showed us. A great sea of fire which

836
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire

837
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: with demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning

838
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: embers all black and they're burnished bronze that goes on.

839
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: The second was a statement that World War One would end,

840
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: along with the prediction of another war during the reign

841
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: of Pope Pious. Uh, and then that would happen if

842
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Russia did not convert to Catholicism. Yeah, So basically one

843
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: is a vision of health, one is about communist Russia, uh,

844
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: and then the third one. Though the third one, at

845
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: least the way it was published, was that there would

846
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: be an assassination attempt on Pope John Paul the second.

847
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: And that's the crazy thing there was, you know. So

848
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: the thing is that there actually was an assassination attempt

849
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: on Pope John Paul, which occurred on the thirteenth of

850
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: May nineteen one. You can see a video of that

851
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: if you wish and just head on over to YouTube.

852
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: And people have thought about this back in worth you

853
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: know that it is actually a prophecy or is it

854
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: just something that would happen because the Pope is up

855
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: there with the US president or other heads of state

856
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: who would be much more likely than the average person

857
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: to have an assassination attempt occur, perhaps even higher because

858
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: of the vitriol that you can have between religions. So

859
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: in June of two thousand, UH the that it can

860
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: finally release this uh, this secret. But there there have

861
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: been several other people who were involved with it who

862
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: said that um, that the the handwritten four page text

863
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: is not the real secret or not the full thing.

864
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: And they believe that the third Secret is actually composed

865
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: of two texts. One of those is the four page

866
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: published version. The other is a single page letter containing

867
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: the real truth. And their Italian journalists like Antonio soshi

868
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Um who say that they have proof that there's a

869
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: second secret. All right, and here's here's just some of

870
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: the proof quickly. Uh Lucia Santo says she wrote the

871
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: message in the form of assigned letter to the bishop.

872
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: The text is supposed to contain words attributed to the

873
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: Virgin Mary, which the published one doesn't really the full secret.

874
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: Bishops working with Pope Pious, Pope John and Pope Paul

875
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: all commented that the text was written on one sheet

876
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: of paper, not four, and the full secret, according to

877
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: these people, contains information about the apocalypse, a great apostasy,

878
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: and Satanic infiltration of the Catholic Church. Who and then

879
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: you would hear I remember a couple of years ago

880
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: you heard a lot about, oh gosh, what is the

881
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: name of the pope that is prior to the one

882
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: we currently have. And then after Pope John Paul second

883
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: was Ratzinger rat Okay that I remember hearing lots and

884
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: lots of people talking about rattling here being this version

885
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: of these prophecies where he had infiltrated in his group

886
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: had infiltrated and they were evil. That's the thing about prophecies.

887
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so easy to let your imagination run

888
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: wild and use it to confirm something that you already believe.

889
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, like this pope feels like an outsider or

890
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: something right, and to be totally to be totally fair. Here,

891
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: one of the people who served as Vatican Secretary of

892
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: State until two thousand thirteen, a Cardinal Bertoni, wrote a

893
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: book called The Last Secret of Fatima, and he published

894
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: an Italian English and it has an interview that touches

895
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: on this where the journalists, a journalist named Giuseppe de

896
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: Carli is interviewing Um is interviewing the cardinal, and he says, well,

897
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: what about this rumor that you're concealing a one page

898
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: text of the Third Secret that predicts Rome will lose

899
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: the faith and become the throne of the anti Rist

900
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: and the cardinal I just wanna read this too, affair.

901
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: The cardinal says, that's absolutely crazy. Are you claiming that

902
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: the Prophecy of Fatima is about the apostasy of the

903
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: Church of Rome? And Fatima is a prediction of Rome's

904
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: transformation into the throne of the Antichrist. Despite the love

905
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: our lady capitalized our Lady of Fatima has for the

906
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: pope and the popes for our lady. Anyone can write books,

907
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: can based on conspiracy theories, on biased interpretations. Anyone can

908
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: take sentences out of context and present them as clues

909
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: to some supposed plot to avoid divulging the truth and

910
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: to transmit it in a code that only the initiates

911
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: can understand. No, the whole theory you allude to is

912
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: a fabrication, and this supposedly factual account is actually the

913
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: sort of device the Mason's used to invent to discredit

914
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: the church. I'm surprised that journalists and writers who claim

915
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: to be Catholic let themselves be taken in strong words,

916
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: really strong words. Sounds like somebody I don't. My brain goes,

917
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: oh boy, this guy sounds guilty, But well he might

918
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: also just be irritated with having heard that, right, I mean,

919
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: I can imagine how irritating that would be. But at

920
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: the same time, to fight back that hard, well, that's

921
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: also that's our That's where we're ending. Just because this

922
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: is this thing where it's not as far as the

923
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Catholic Church is concerned, this is not a matter of interpretation.

924
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: This is a true for telling of an event before

925
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: it occurred. And the other three examples um k C,

926
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: Baba Banga and no Stradamis are all a little bit

927
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: more muddy. And I know we didn't get to everything,

928
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: but there's so many profits now. But it's is interesting

929
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: to have these prophecies like officially sanctioned by such a

930
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, an important body as you know, the Holy

931
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: Roman Church. It's pretty intense. There are a lot of

932
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting things that we could

933
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: talk about regarding the power structure of the Catholic Church,

934
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: not the faith or religion in any way. Uh, we've

935
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: discussed it a bit in the past, but there's just

936
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: some fascinating things I think we got into when we

937
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 1: were talking about possessions and the it's just some old

938
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: things that still exist now in the Catholic Church. I

939
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: mean referring to the official exorcise. Yes, yes, that is

940
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: that is a true and fascinating thing. We would like

941
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: your help, folks. Do you have any profits that you

942
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: would like us to look into in the future. Or prophecies,

943
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: because we'll tell you right now. One thing in our

944
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: experience that occurred was that it was surprisingly difficult to

945
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: find some of the actual like the what what our

946
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: some of our co workers would call the actual facts translations?

947
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: Uh and and to separate the chaff from the wheat,

948
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, the internet echo chamber. But we would like

949
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: to hear some more people that we should check out.

950
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: And I gotta I gotta ask you guys. I know

951
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: that we went on some tangents and discovered some future

952
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: episodes we could cover, But what do you think about

953
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: upcoming prophecies? And what do you what do you think

954
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: we had talked about this before. Do you think that

955
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: software and big data will eventually be able to do

956
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: what human beings have been trying to do predict disasters

957
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: and changes, big global changes like that. I mean, we've

958
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: I think so, I think we're gonna get darn close.

959
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are folks are at work

960
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, some of my whole professors actually, yeah, oh,

961
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: the the guy who's making the huge map or the simulation. Yeah,

962
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: that's super cool. Not to mention things like predicting trends

963
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: and you know, commerce in this doctor, I mean that's

964
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: the other world. But that's true. So how do we

965
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: get in on this? Well, if you know how to

966
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: do this, give us a write us an email. Will

967
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: tell you how to do that in a minute. Um right,

968
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: it's like they'll joke about time traveling. Time Traveler Club

969
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: meets here two days ago. Yeah, we meet every every

970
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday here, So come join us in the

971
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, in the booth. We will allow you to

972
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: be on here every every time we record. Oh man,

973
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do If somebody burst in and

974
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 1: uh Doc Brown style and claims to have traveled through

975
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: time or to have a prediction the future. I would

976
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: hear them out. Absolutely, I don't see the harm. I

977
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: would give John Feter my seat and give them a see.

978
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: We could just have them pull up another seat. No, no no,

979
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I just said, hey man, you go in there. I'm

980
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna stay out here. There's there's a chair, there's an

981
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: extra chair. I don't want any I don't know time radiation,

982
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm scared of that stuff. All right, Well,

983
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: we'll we'll table that for future discussion, barring any unexpected

984
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: time travelers arriving. It's almost time for us to head out.

985
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any message for the New Year. Well,

986
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: I just want to say we all didn't die in

987
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: September of Uh. There were a lot of people and

988
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: predictions being made about something crazy happening at that time,

989
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: and they nothing happened. That's good. Or maybe we did

990
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: die and that we're just like on the Lost Island. Oh,

991
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: how could you tell? That's kind of cool if this

992
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: is the afterlife. I gotta say, Um, I'm I'm having

993
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: a good time. It's not so bad. It's not as

994
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: bad as I thought. See, maybe we've always been making

995
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: this podcast and we will always be making this podcast.

996
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a flat circle, bro, what about you know? Oh yeah,

997
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently you're supposed to eat black eyed

998
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: peas and color greens and it gives you good financial luck.

999
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give that a go. Um, mainly, I

1000
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: don't know. No, it's been a good year. Um, still

1001
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: biting this uh, this Christmas crowd here. So I I

1002
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: hope that in the new Year that I don't have

1003
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: a cold. I hope so too. Man. You know, I

1004
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: was talking to one of my friends recently and she

1005
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: said that people were not supposed to be lobster or

1006
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: chicken on the New Year because something about like chickens

1007
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: walking or how both animals move backwards or something. I'm

1008
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: not sure. I didn't sort it out. But then also,

1009
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: I have failed often to eat the collared greens and

1010
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: black eyed peas bo. A friend of mine just suggested it,

1011
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you just just do it. You

1012
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: have to do it. Yeah, I wonder it's a Southern thing, right,

1013
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: hop and John, Like Hop and John the Cuban side

1014
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: of my family, we have to eat a certain number

1015
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: of grapes right up to the Yeah, there's a to do.

1016
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: That's cool. So there we are, guys. We hope that

1017
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: you have adventures in the New Year's If you are

1018
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: making resolutions, keep in mind that you are statistically more

1019
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: likely to keep a resolution if you make it almost

1020
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: any other month. Your birthday is really good for resolutions. January,

1021
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: out of all twelve months, is the worst month to

1022
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: attempt a resolution. Or don't tell anybody but your diary

1023
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: or yourself or whatever it is that you use to

1024
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: write down your resolution. Don't tell a single human being,

1025
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: or make a resolution to start doing something in February

1026
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: doing it in February, give yourself some breathing like that,

1027
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: unlike the third February three third, So you have that

1028
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: one day at the first, the second um in two days.

1029
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: All right, So, folks, we're going to head out. If

1030
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: you would like to hear our podcasts about predicting the

1031
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: future through big data and software, you can find that,

1032
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: along with every other podcast we have ever done, on

1033
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: our website Stuff they Don't Want you to Know dot Com.

1034
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: You can also find us on Twitter and Facebook. We

1035
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: are conspiracy stuff on both of those. Huge shout out

1036
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: to the Nurdest for mentioning this podcast. Holy mackerel. Cool.

1037
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: I know we're just honorably mentioned, but still thanks Nurnest.

1038
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: It was very nice. It was very It was very kind.

1039
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: You know that's because one of us one that usher

1040
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: league game right what anyway, story for another day. I

1041
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: don't mean to derail us. Uh. If you would like

1042
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 1: to email us directly, all of our best ideas come

1043
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: from you, So let us know what you think about

1044
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: this episode and profits and prophecy, and also let us

1045
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: know what you think we should take a closer look

1046
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: at in the future. Our email is conspiracy at how

1047
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: stuff works. Dot com from on this topic. Another unexplained phenomenon,

1048
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Speaker 1: visit YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also

1049
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: get in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy stuff.