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Speaker 1: Thoughts have no strategy. Thoughts cannot solve a problem intent, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's thinking is what you say. Thoughts are what

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Speaker 1: So you can imagine when a big bull's coming and

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Speaker 1: loud with the right words at the right moment, which

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Speaker 1: So it's all based on this. Thoughts aren't thinking the

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Speaker 1: ultimate skill to human being open and closed the control

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Speaker 1: mental game equation, yeah, that's a big one, right, so

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Speaker 1: figuring that out like what is the mental game.

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Speaker 2: Out here? The stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness,

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Speaker 2: but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience,

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Speaker 2: and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most.

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Speaker 2: Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of

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Speaker 2: wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in

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Speaker 2: the back country. This is In Pursuit, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Mount Knums in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt Joel Turner. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 2: it's been a year in the making, right since Brian backstory.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into your backstory, but my backstory with you

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Speaker 2: is if this is the first time we've met it

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Speaker 2: for some we really even talk. You get in here,

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Speaker 2: but Brian call, we were shooting at Tack last year

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Speaker 2: and no less than twenty times. Well it was as

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Speaker 2: soon as you shot. Yeah, yeah, it didn't start out

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Speaker 2: been shooting Hoye for years and I got an elite

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Speaker 2: probably what the week before, and we didn't really sight it.

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Speaker 2: In first two targets. We're kill shots, but they were

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Speaker 2: head shots. Oh good. Yes, we got her dialed in

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Speaker 2: for the second day and it was infinitely better. But yeah, Brian,

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Speaker 2: Brian was uh, he just kept saying, Man, I gotta

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Speaker 2: get you a Joel Joel, fix you you know, so

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Speaker 2: uh here we are. Oh yeah, man, glad to have you.

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Speaker 2: We just kind of did a little mock shot IQ.

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Speaker 2: Course it was awesome. Yeah, tell tell everybody who doesn't

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Speaker 2: because that was awesome, but like kind of walk us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just, uh, my life has been

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Speaker 1: do I have to do in my workout to force

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Speaker 1: myself to get super loud in my shot? I mean,

430
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: that's so powerful, powerful.

431
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 3: That's working out. One of the first things you said

432
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: this morning was that it would be interesting for you

433
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: just to see how we handled it. Rich being an athlete.

434
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 3: What what were you thinking there? And then were you

435
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: surprised at all with how today went?

436
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 1: I was surprised on I shouldn't say surprised, because you're

437
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: obviously with what you've done in your life and what

438
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: all of you have done with your lives. You're very determined,

439
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: right so, and that's the first ingredient. But we never knew.

440
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: Like I used to say, I can't teach you determination,

441
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: but I can teach you how to find it. Yeah,

442
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: now I know how to teach it because I know

443
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: the determination is now in the words you just spoke

444
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: very quickly in the signature test. Right, you only do

445
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: it twice, Josh, you only to do it twice? That

446
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: is that's very rare. We don't like to lose, yeah right, yeah,

447
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: but so you took that you don't like to lose

448
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: your life. Oh oh, this is like you had it

449
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: on your first one. Really, I just made you do

450
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: it again. So right, you are welcome, But actually one

451
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: line was off.

452
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, my personal sucked.

453
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: So that's what it is, though, is really I wasn't

454
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say surprised. What I saw in your shooting

455
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: is what I expected. But once you get the solution.

456
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: I knew that you'd get it pretty quickly, right, just

457
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: because of what I saw in the signature test. And

458
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: you've been able to do that so quickly.

459
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm all for the next. Like right now I'm doing

460
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: it on the back seam of this chair. Is just

461
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: like trying to go as slow as I can pulling

462
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: into this back seam of this chair. It's going to

463
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: be an obsession for the next.

464
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: And I think the handshake demonstration yeah helped.

465
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, obviously we're we're talking about

466
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: this release and you get to a point where you

467
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: take the tension out and then from there, now I

468
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: can just like I can feel it, see it like

469
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: I can, you know, I'm on the back of this

470
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: chair just doing it. I also have a touch of

471
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: add so my brain goes to all those different spaces.

472
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: So but you'll just use things differently. The approach is

473
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: now changed.

474
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

475
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: So now what you're doing when you hunt, you're actually

476
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Speaker 1: using that animal for concentration practice.

477
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: That's that's why you know, does are cool for meat,

479
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: but they don't they don't make you get as loud

480
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: as bucks. That's why people say, man, I can smoke

481
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: dose all day long, but you put a big bucket

482
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: from it and I just fall apart. That's because they

483
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: talk on the does or with the doe. Their thoughts

484
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: are not as loud, so they don't have to override it.

485
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: They don't have to get their thinking as loud. But

486
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: as soon as you put one hundred and eighty inches

487
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: of anler in front of on a white tailed bucket're like,

488
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna be a hero.

489
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Right that is?

490
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: That's all thoughts man, Let's start talking with the right

491
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: words in the right moments.

492
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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how now.

493
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: One of the things I asked Rich a while back

494
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: is just that did he think like the high stress

495
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: moments he's been in high stress as far as competing

496
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: helped him in high stress moments, honey? And he said yes,

497
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: But would you say no because he wasn't necessarily talking

498
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: to himself.

499
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: Anytime you can inoculate yourself from stress is good, but

500
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: if you don't realize how you did it, it's not

501
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: as good as it could be.

502
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Right.

503
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure putting ourselves in stressful situations is awesome. But

504
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: let's say one time you were successful and you're like yeah, man,

505
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: I freaking did it. I don't know, and then the

506
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: next time you didn't do it, like, oh man, what

507
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: was it? And you know, talking to the Philadelphia Phillies

508
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: the pitching team, like, if you don't know how you

509
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: do what you do, you're you're a victim of good

510
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: days and bad days. And if you don't know the difference,

511
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: then you're just yeah, you're just on this emotional roller

512
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: coaster constantly. Like I want you to have those successes,

513
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: have those failures and know the difference. The difference is

514
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: you stopped talking right or you do or you weren't

515
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: loud enough. And that's all we've done today, is we've

516
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: put words to how you do what you do.

517
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: And that you know, there has to be a point

518
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: too that it just becomes second nature. You are talking,

519
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: but you're not even thinking those thoughts because you've done

520
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: that repetition so many times. Does that happen to you?

521
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: I think about that with like a clean or a

522
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: snatch or any like the high complex movements for us,

523
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: or I know when I do it bad, when a

524
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: bar comes out or a bar you know the bar

525
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: path is is not good? Does that well that eventually.

526
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Well one of the things in your workouts is all

527
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: of your movements are open loop. When you teach them,

528
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: you're teaching them closed loop. You're teaching them slow enough

529
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: that people can get the feedback and you know all

530
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: the stuff that you're doing. But then the natural path

531
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: of adult learning is you have the cognitive stage of

532
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: learning where you do most of your self instruction. Then

533
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: you practice with the goal of becoming automatic. So in

534
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: the past when you would shoot during your workouts, you're

535
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: shooting for results on the target. Right, Oh yeah, stricken

536
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: smoked it. And then you go back to working on

537
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and I smoked it, but you couldn't couldn't be because

538
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: you're still working the trigger open loop. You were not

539
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: treating that rep as you could. Right now you're like,

540
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: of course you're gonna smoke it. Why wouldn't you because

541
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: you've aimed in the middle and this is the goal

542
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: now is just jorking through that trigger so slow, Like

543
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: that's why I shoot on one foot like during during

544
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: the Vegas shoot and the practice ends, like you get

545
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: two practice ends of two minutes and you can shoot

546
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: as many arrows as you want, like you know in

547
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: the actual competition is three arrows for two minutes indoor.

548
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: But in these practice sessions you'll see me standing on

549
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: the line shooting on one foot, and people like, Turner,

550
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I'm like, well, here's the deal.

551
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: I know that on my first scoring ends at Vegas

552
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: or big tournaments, I shake more than normal. Right, And

553
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: if I go up there and I shoot on one

554
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: foot in my practice ends and I replicate that amount

555
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: of shake, I'm like, cool. I get reps and letting

556
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: go of the aim, right, whereas everybody else is just

557
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: trying to shoot x's in their practices. To make sure

558
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: everything's right. Right, you've got to be able to step

559
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: away from the shake, the aim. Those are all just

560
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: problems that increase the volume of thoughts. So I'm getting

561
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: reps and increasing the volume of my thinking. Right. So,

562
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: now you're using your workouts in that same way. Of course,

563
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: you're going to hit the middle. Why wouldn't you? Right, So,

564
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: and if you don't hit the middle, but you still

565
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: broke a clean shot, well that is an absolute win.

566
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: Maybe not for the arrow, but it's a win for

567
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: what you were trying to accomplish.

568
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: Right, that ultimate skill like this the old brains brain.

569
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: Well, and then you would say mental toughness. Like for us,

570
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: we say we do hard things and that actually makes

571
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: us mentally tough for the next thing. But you would

572
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: say you're mentally tough when you can talk to yourself

573
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: loud enough.

574
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're creating situations where if you're

575
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: not loud enough, you will fail.

576
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a great question for you. Hit me,

577
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: because this is what people Internet people say. One of

578
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: the things we do like to do is like shoot,

579
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: I say, under fatigue, but everybody's under fatigues different. So

580
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: like do like a zone two, get your heart rate

581
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: sixty seventy percent, and maybe do a shot or two

582
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 3: from there. Some people say it's so crazy, that's the

583
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: dumbest thing to do.

584
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: What would you.

585
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: Say, I'd say it's beautiful, of course, hell ya right,

586
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: because you have to get loud. That's what you're doing.

587
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: You're forcing yourself because when you're fatigued, you have thoughts

588
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: of oh my god, my breathing, I can't breathe, Oh

589
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's no way I can do this. Those

590
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: are all thoughts, man, and they're coming whether.

591
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: You like it or not.

592
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Let them in.

593
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the truth is if you're out counting.

594
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: Like those thoughts. You can't there's so much you can't get.

595
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: We've hiked two miles literally up hills and had to

596
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: shoot almost right, Yeah, as soon as we got there,

597
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: had to shoot, you know what I mean. So like

598
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: there's to me, that's the best thing to put yourself

599
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 3: into that such.

600
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're manually increasing the volume of thoughts.

601
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: When you work out, when you stand on one foot,

602
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: you're manually increasing the volume of thoughts so that you

603
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: get reps and increasing the volume of your thinking.

604
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: I hope everybody listens to this.

605
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: I want to go shoot on that BOSU ball out

606
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: there too.

607
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's rad. Yeah, it's all good anything you can do.

608
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: But we have this uh I don't know. Yeah, you

609
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: draw that thing and it starts doing this right here.

610
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: It's a it must stand on the top of it when.

611
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: You are one foot doing some like crane and stuff.

612
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

613
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: So what you guys are doing is spot on, and

614
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: I wish more people would do that. But I think

615
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: that it's starting to get out there. Like like we said,

616
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: if somebody puts a shot on the internet and they

617
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: punch a trigger, like they are judged.

618
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: Everybody finds it. It's like me when I did a

619
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: hunt like years ago, not years ago. Still happens hunting posts.

620
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: Everybody finds it. Like people that don't even follow me

621
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: unfollow you know whatever, but the same sing with a

622
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: punch of trigger man man. Everybody loves to tell you

623
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: they get on it.

624
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of really good archers out there, a

625
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: lot of really.

626
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: Good Internet archers. Internet archers. You get, you get much Internet? Yeah, lots.

627
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: You like it too, huh yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it.

628
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: At this point. My wife gets a little bit down

629
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: on it, and I'm just like, let it come.

630
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh. You know when Dan Staton we used

631
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: to do that. We still do the Elk Shape camp

632
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: and and I was pretty hard on people in that

633
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: first few arrows, right, And I did that for a

634
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: purpose to get them to increase. I mean, I'm talking

635
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: to him, I'm asking them, you know, all kinds of questions,

636
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: and I'm razing them. And and he put that first

637
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: video out of me doing that. Beople like who is

638
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: this guy? He's a major a hole and stuff, and

639
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: so much so that Dan had to put out another

640
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: video explain I'm just I'm just increasing the volume of

641
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: their thoughts. Yeah, that's all I'm doing.

642
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: I think it's great because when that animal walks out.

643
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean I've had thoughts of like, you know, when

644
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: it walks out and it's just not happening and not

645
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: turning and doing what you need it to do, and

646
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: you're just like, I want this to end at some point,

647
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: Like I don't care if it's an arrow fired or something.

648
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: But you're like in this stuck in this lock step.

649
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: People get to the point where they they hope it

650
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: doesn't happen.

651
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't want to fail.

652
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hope it does. Oh good that elk

653
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: went the other way, right man.

654
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: I used to be that.

655
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it took me thirteen years to kill a

656
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: bull elk with my bow. I'm a two time world

657
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: out calling champion. I can call these things in like

658
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: a chicken on a string, but I couldn't hit them

659
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: come up with us. Yeah, I mean, thirteen years of failure.

660
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: But I loved it so much. But I was that guy.

661
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, oh good he didn't come in.

662
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have to fail again. Thirteen years of that.

663
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Right Yeah?

664
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: And then now that I have control. I'm like, come on,

665
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: bring it on. Man.

666
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: I love it because it's just the ultimate test that

667
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: you're uh yeah, well, you know we've talked a couple

668
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: of times. I feel like hunting is for me. You know,

669
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: it was such an easy transition from competing to elk hunting.

670
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Elk hunting is kind of my passion. Well, definitely my passion.

671
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate competition, you know, like it's the first

672
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: competition that was ever on earth. Really, what's your what's

673
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: your elk? Your favorite?

674
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I like collars, like everybody else is like, man,

675
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I stock him. I you know, I don't stand. I'm like,

676
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't do any of that. I call them. Yeah,

677
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: that's the experience that I want. I've killed enough bulls

678
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: now that you know I've I can feel a freezer.

679
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: But I want to call bulls and that's the experience

680
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: that I am hunting, right. I want to have that

681
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: as that experience as many times as possible until I

682
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: am dead.

683
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: We're at the like stage of we just want experiences,

684
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: you know. Sure, you know we we talked last time too.

685
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you what a three hundred inch bull

686
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: looks like if he's legal. I like people. I've had

687
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: to be talked out of animals at times because I'm

688
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: in that phase. You know, I just enjoy it, man,

689
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: I love being out there. It's just kind of my

690
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: it's where I'm at. Everybody's like, if you could hunt

691
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: anything anywhere, I'm like, September Oak, you know for sure,

692
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't care where.

693
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so on that note, right, you've got your

694
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: your CrossFit competitions, you've got hunting. Those are all primal skills. That's,

695
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what we're supposed to be doing. And

696
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: I saw that as a cop where I didn't have

697
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: to go to I don't think I ever went to

698
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: a family that hunted together for domestic violence or anything, right,

699
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Like that just wasn't part of the equation. And on

700
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: that note, it's like silent places are special, and that's

701
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: what I find. Like I've dealt with lots of very

702
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: wealthy people now, and it seems like they don't have

703
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: the silent places, right, whether that's to get close to

704
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: God or just be quiet for a minute or whatever

705
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: it is. Right, Like you get on a mountaintop in

706
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: September and just just don't talk for a second, just

707
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: like take it all in and it's amazing. That's one

708
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: of the things about Montana where I live in Montana,

709
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: of like there's places out there where you can just

710
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: stop moving and you can't hear it.

711
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: I never understand. I never understood that, and you just stop. Yeah,

712
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: You're sitting there one morning and it was so quiet

713
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: that it was loud, you know, like it's just it

714
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: blew my mind.

715
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Like I was. I was wolf hunting

716
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: two years ago. Yeah, and I well, we had had

717
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: some kill somewhere, cattle, but we were I was laying

718
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: there and it was cold, its five degrees and it

719
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: was dark, and I'm laying there and it's so quiet

720
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: that I can hear the snowflakes hitting my face. It

721
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: was it was wild man, so good. But that's you know,

722
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: people don't have those places. And if you don't have

723
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: those places, man, you don't realize how loud your thoughts are.

724
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, because those the thoughts will be

725
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: loud when it's boy even more quiet or man, when

726
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: even when it's loud, when you got that screaming bowl, Yeah,

727
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: that's when they're the loudest, huh, or you're hearing those

728
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: footsteps if you're close enough to hear footsteps, yeah, or

729
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: Antler's breaking things. Oh yeah, it's cool. It's awesome and

730
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: and it's hard to tell people how awesome that is

731
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: until they experience it, you know, Man, Yeah, it just

732
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 2: makes me want what month is it now? It's June? June,

733
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: not close. I just got off an Axis hunt and

734
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: it was it was. It moved pretty close to Elk.

735
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: It was awesome. It was a great time in Texas.

736
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: But man, I just I'm ready for September. What do

737
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: you what? What hunts do you have planned this year? Oh?

738
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: Man, I've got how many you calling versus how many

739
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: are you hunting? Let's see, I'll be calling for body first.

740
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: He's got a good Elk tag in Montana. I've got

741
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: a good Elk tag in Montana. But I'll be calling

742
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: for him, and I'm calling for another family, and then

743
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I'm calling in Colorado and I'll be able to hunt

744
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: down there as well. Then back to Montana ago.

745
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Okayahs, So you know you two things I want to

746
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: talk about. Well, one is you said you called in

747
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: how many two years ago? So fifty four two years

748
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: ago and thirty eight thirty I don't know if I've

749
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: ever seen fifty four bull elk and then thirty eight

750
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: last year. That's insane, that's awesome.

751
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, to haunt some amazing places, But do.

752
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: You want to give away those like two things you

753
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: told me, like the two Tucher calls? Yeah, let's go

754
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: because that was interesting.

755
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: So I learned how to elk call from being a cop,

756
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: like I learned how to make all I've been calling

757
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: elk since I was twelve years old. That's when my

758
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: dad bought me my first mouth read. And lucky for me,

759
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: I started out right nobody to teach me. I just

760
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: was able to make sounds with it. And then those

761
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: sounds got pretty good and I figured some stuff out.

762
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: But when I became a cop, like I became a

763
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: cop in two thousand and one, I won the World

764
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Championships in two thousand and eight and in twenty ten,

765
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: So I could make all the sounds, but I hadn't

766
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: put it all together yet because I was doing the

767
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: same stuff that I was hearing other bugling with chuckling,

768
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: cow calling, you know, you challenge the bull or you

769
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: cow call and all this stuff, and I'm like, hmm,

770
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: this isn't how it works in real life, Like, this

771
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: isn't how humans behave. So I listened to a CD

772
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: one time Sounds by the Elk from Elk Nat Paul

773
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: Madell and he's a fantastic wealth of knowledge on elk calling.

774
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: But I listened to CD and he's got this is

775
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: a bull calling cows And it had all these bulls

776
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: bugling doing this bugle. I'm like, none of those are chuckling.

777
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: This is strange. There was no chuckles in any of those,

778
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: so I'm like, hmm. So then i started watching all

779
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: this footage of elk. I'm like, when these bulls are

780
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: in their cows, they don't chuckle. That's when they're talking

781
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: to their cows, they don't chuckle. So I'm thinking, okay,

782
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: but when you hear another bull bugle in the background

783
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: or something, then that bull will bugle with a chuckle.

784
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: So we know that a bull bugling with a chuck

785
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: is a multiple communication. And I'm thinking, I mean, I've

786
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: been to hundreds of bar fights, right, and as a cop,

787
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: and like, what's the fight over? Oh he's talking to

788
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: my girl, right, I'm like ding ding ding ding, Okay,

789
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: this is I mean, this is how you would get

790
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: in a fight. Ye, Like, you don't just walking if

791
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: you want to get in a fight with the dude,

792
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't walk in a bar and insult the dude.

793
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: You insult his female, his female, right, his significant other,

794
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: whatever that may be. You talk to them and only them.

795
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: You don't even talk to him like you imagine, like, hey, baby,

796
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: you want to go to make a calf, right, and

797
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, dude, you're talking to my girl. That's

798
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: him bugling back at you. And you just give him

799
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: the hand and you keep talking to her. He's going

800
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: to become so enraged that he just loses his mind

801
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and he's going to punch you. Right, Well, that's what

802
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: we're seeking in the Elk Woods. So why are we

803
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: going into the bar and talking to the dude? Why

804
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: are we going in and bugling and chucklin Because yeah,

805
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: you'll get in a fight every now and again that way.

806
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: But it's all based on the attitude of the recipient

807
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: of that call. Right, if you deal with his significant other,

808
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: it's instinctive. Right now, he has to remove you from

809
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: the bar because he wants to make a calf with

810
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: that cow every single year, right, So that's just the

811
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: way it works, So I quit bugling with chuckling. Now,

812
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: when a bull has cows, I just slide in tight

813
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: on the cows. I try to get within one hundred

814
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: yards of them. Sixties better right, and you just bugle, short, raspy,

815
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: no chuckles is the key. Don't chuckle because then he

816
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: will talk back to you. You don't talk to him.

817
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: If he starts raking a tree to display, you just

818
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: talk right over the top of him to his ladies.

819
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Just do that bull calling cow's bugle again, short, raspy,

820
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: no chuckles, and he will come in and try to

821
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: kill you. There's no hang up spot. That's the beautiful

822
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: part about it. There's no suspicion. There's no hang up spots.

823
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: They get all puffed up and they just walk in

824
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: real slow like a bull moose. They all do it right.

825
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: So that's one spectrum if he's got cows that we're

826
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna use. The other spectrum is everybody wants a cow call. Well,

827
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: when was the last time that a group of females

828
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: human females got together and talk nicely about another female

829
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: that wants to procreate with the man that they've chosen

830
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: as a group. That's never happened, right, So when you

831
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: get close to cows and you cow call, they will

832
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: not allow the bull to go play with the hussy

833
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: and the bushes. So you no cow calls, keep it

834
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: on the calf spectrum, because then you dive into the

835
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: instincts again. When you stay on the calf spectrum, you're

836
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: sexually neutral. Now, you're not a sexual threat to these

837
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: cows anymore. So, Like, if we're sitting here having this

838
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: podcast and an adult female starts screaming outside, we're gonna

839
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: move our location. We're gonna look at the door like

840
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: peak out, like, what the heck's going on out there?

841
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: But if it's a it's suspicion. That's where you get

842
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: the hang up spots on these bulls. They hung they

843
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: hang up seventy eighty yards away. But when you calf call,

844
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: like if there's a kid, if there's a kid hurt

845
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: out there, we're all running out there, willy nilly, inhibitions

846
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: thrown to the wind. We don't care, right, we're gonna

847
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: help that infant. Well, bulls just happen to be pedophiles

848
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: as well. They don't care how old.

849
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: The calf is.

850
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Right, So you've got the maternal instincts of the female,

851
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: you've got the sexual drive of the male, and it's

852
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: just like a free for all. So when you learn

853
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: that calf distress call, and get emotional with it, even

854
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: to the point where if you've got to use a

855
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: predator call, do that. If you can't use a mouth

856
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: rade very well, but get emotion in there. And if

857
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: there are cows there that you didn't know about, like,

858
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: if you knew about them, then you'd use the bull

859
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: calling cow's miigel. But if sometimes you don't know that

860
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: there's cows there, they come right in and the bulls

861
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: are right on their tail. But if that bull doesn't

862
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: have cows, he will he comes in just willy nilly.

863
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: They come in super close. There's no hang up spot.

864
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: You don't have have to you know, you don't have

865
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: to move locations. He's coming right to you. And you

866
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: can also do almost inaudible calf sounds when he's close.

867
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: A lot of times the bull will mew to you

868
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: and it sounds hideous, really oh my ah, all right,

869
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: And you know if you hear this real raspy, deep mew,

870
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: he's mewing to the calf. He is fully committed to

871
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: the relationship with that calf. At that point, they will

872
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: like the first time you do a calf's a distressed calf,

873
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: they will usually do a bull calling cow's bugle, So

874
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: they'll bugle, short, raspy, no chuckles. They will not chuckle

875
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: when there's when you do a calf sound, unless every

876
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: now and again they'll do a bull check what I

877
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: call a bull check that they'll check to see if

878
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: you have a bull with you, So they'll bugle with

879
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: kind of this wimpy chuckle and if they don't hear anything,

880
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: if you just keep your calf call going, that's when they'll.

881
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: It's the exact situation that happened last year. I know, yeah,

882
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: remember that bull just kind of did.

883
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to bring up the moment I.

884
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: Was not going to bring up.

885
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: So that's what happens. They'll bull check you, and then

886
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: you stick with the calf sounds and then they just

887
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: they come right and they'll start muant.

888
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Situation as we call I'm just messing around with my

889
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn my cow cal and I probably

890
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: did a crappy little women higher pitch than no, and

891
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: so we hear it. We're like, oh, sweet. So we

892
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: start you going at him, can't get him to come in.

893
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: We try to move in on him. He keep he

894
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: would answer, but he was going away. Noah with born

895
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: and raised like calf call rake right in yep.

896
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: And you probably didn't even need to do the raking

897
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: portion of it, because raking is a display.

898
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: I mean you.

899
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't introduce a bull into the situation unless I

900
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: have to write, and when I do, the bull is

901
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: never the subject of my calling. Like I don't talk

902
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: to him at all either. I'm a distressed calf and

903
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: I want to know where everybody's at. And that's a

904
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about that distressed calf sound is it doesn't

905
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: drive elk away. So use it to sound check when

906
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you go over that next ridge, sound check that canyon.

907
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: If nothing calls back to you or breaks a branch

908
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: or moves, there's nothing there. That's how I treat it.

909
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: Nothing there, Move on right, and I'll go to the

910
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: next train feature. Because bugles and calf calls don't go

911
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: over train features. So when you get to that next

912
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: train feature, sound check it nothing there? Cool? Sound check

913
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: it Oh a cow? Muwe back to me? Now I

914
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: know he's got cows. Now I'm gonna hunt the cows.

915
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: Goull calling cow's bugle.

916
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: Right.

917
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: If a bull bugles back to me, I'm gonna check

918
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: him like okay, when he bugles again. If he has moved,

919
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't have cows. If he has not moved, he

920
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: has cows. So I treat it as such. Right, So

921
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: it's super simple. You only need to really know two sounds.

922
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: Never focus on your target.

923
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Right, bull calling cows bugle and calf distress and you're

924
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: calling odds will skyrocket?

925
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: You heard you heard it? There? See what else you got?

926
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: Really kind of for both of you. Just would you agree, disagree,

927
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: or even talk about just how if it does. Does

928
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: controlled shooting complement explosive fitness, because that's what some people say,

929
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: you know, crossfits explosive fitness. So do those two compliment

930
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 3: each other in any way?

931
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I would say yes, because you're practicing getting loud in

932
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: your head, right, you can use this is the ultimate

933
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: skill of the human being. It's how we literally do everything.

934
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: So if you're using it for fitness, cool, Just realize

935
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: that most of those movements are open loop. But take

936
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: that same loudness, that same speech to this very minute

937
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: movement in the trigger press. Just take that and focus

938
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: it in to this movement that's so slow you could

939
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: stop it, like every now and again, move a barbell

940
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: so slow that you could stop, right, you could do

941
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: this everywhere.

942
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: And use everyone actually slow And yeah, so that's great.

943
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: Right, And so just realize how you're doing what you're

944
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: doing and then put it into everything in your life.

945
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: And it just works sense. Yeah, yeah, I would say, yes,

946
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: there's so many parallels. There's so many things you can

947
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: flip flop. I will say, the one piece that is

948
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: missing is that just single finger kind of dexterity type thing.

949
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, we are, you know, you are

950
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: switching grips. You are, you know, But there's just the

951
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: one thing that I will have to work on a

952
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: ton of. But I also, I mean, I guess when

953
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm jumping rope, at times I'll move my thumbs around

954
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: or like try to change different things. But I'll now

955
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: think about those things more and attach, you know, just

956
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: when I'm doing them that I notice that I am

957
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: thinking of those little things, like little things that I

958
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: don't you know, there are more thoughts than thinking to

959
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: your the way you say it. But I think there's Yeah,

960
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: there's so many parallels. There's you know what we were

961
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: when I was showing him earlier with that bamboo bar

962
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 2: and just how much it moves, Like, the more you could,

963
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: you know, get all those muscles to kind of work

964
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: and fire in the kinesthetic awareness, appropriate reception, whatever, interchangeable. Yeah,

965
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: Like there is so many parallels to archery to other

966
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: types of shooting that why would we not train and

967
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: why would we not create balance across different muscle groups

968
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 2: to where you know, yes, you can draw a heavier bow,

969
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: you can do certain things, you can have more control

970
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: of those those motor patterns.

971
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just understanding. Again, I know I sound like

972
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: a broken record. I'd say it, man, Now, it's how

973
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: do you do it? Right? And again when you are

974
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: the athlete, when you if you don't know how you

975
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: do it, your skills are gonna die with you.

976
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, even more of just like the actual movement

977
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: I would say, probably doesn't happen with you as much.

978
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: But just like when you're shooting that you're putting your

979
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: concentration somewhere else, right, so eliminate the target. Whereas a

980
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 3: lot of times maybe you're hurting so bad if you

981
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: your thoughts are loud enough you then you stop concentrating

982
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: on that and you can maybe even go a little further.

983
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Your mind stops way before your body does, right, I

984
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: mean that's what you guys are doing that. Well, we

985
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: need one more rep How are you going to get it?

986
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: The only way you can get it is by getting loud,

987
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know what it means

988
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: to get loud. So that's where you know, some of

989
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: the online courses that I do, the mind IQ course,

990
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: we teach you how to get loud in your head.

991
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty it's not difficult, but if you don't

992
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: ever practice it, practice it's it's we know now that

993
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: it's the skill, and we're all chasing so we're everything

994
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: that we're doing and working out or shooting bows or

995
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: whatever you do in your life, right, use it words,

996
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: use it to strengthen that skill.

997
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: Man. It's it's you know, so basic as simple, but

998
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: also pretty profound if you think about it. We just

999
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: don't you just do it right, you know, and especially

1000
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: with what to connect it back to what we do.

1001
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: And I've done it for so long, and I you

1002
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: know I said it earlier, but I just never thought

1003
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: about it. It was just well I thought about it,

1004
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: but I never really like really broke it down and

1005
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: put those things into words.

1006
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: It's when you're you know, when you're the athlete. If

1007
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: you don't know, okay, you don't know, but if you

1008
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: if you're really good at it, but then you're gonna

1009
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: have to teach it.

1010
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're going to get old and you can't do

1011
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: it right.

1012
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: And you're gonna have to coach it sometime. And that's where,

1013
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, don't let your skills die with you. And

1014
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: that's when we do it where good coaches do it

1015
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: this way, but maybe they don't realize it, and maybe

1016
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: they're not having their students do the talking form right.

1017
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: We got it as coaches. We give them the right

1018
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: words in the right moments. But then we got to

1019
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: hand it all off and let them do it so

1020
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: we can see what did they actually get out of

1021
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: what I.

1022
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: Just told them? Yeah, make them do it, Like are

1023
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: they actually paying attention? Are they actually taking away what

1024
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: I want them to?

1025
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: Where are they putting their conscious mind? And when are

1026
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: they putting it there? And because you know where to

1027
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: put it and when to put it there, you're like, oh,

1028
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I need you to say it a little sooner, Like

1029
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: as soon as you start lifting, as soon as you

1030
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: start pressing, chin right, you gotta say chin right, elbows, chin,

1031
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Right. So, and you're you're coaching then,

1032
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: and people like, well.

1033
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: What do I say? I don't know what to say?

1034
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: Just talk like you're teaching. If you talk like you're teaching,

1035
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: you'll never be searching for words, and like, really, how

1036
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: do you talk somebody through something? And people like I

1037
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: draw back an aim, then I address a trigger and

1038
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: here I go, and then squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. Well there's

1039
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of little speech in there.

1040
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: There's need to keep freaking squeezing. I wish this stupid

1041
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 2: thing would go off, or you're ever going to go off?

1042
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: Is they're going to go there?

1043
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Who are you talking to?

1044
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 2: Right?

1045
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Is this thing ever gonna go off? You're talking to

1046
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: a piece of metal. Are you not talking to your

1047
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: muscles anymore? You gotta talk to your muscles. But if

1048
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: you didn't talk out loud, you don't know what you're saying.

1049
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: And when you have people talk out loud, you instantly

1050
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: cut through the thoughts like nobody's gonna draw back.

1051
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm drawing back and aiming. Okay, I got my

1052
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: pin in the middle. Okay, I'm putting my thumb on

1053
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: the button.

1054
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: Got that here?

1055
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: I go.

1056
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Man, I hope I don't miss.

1057
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1058
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: They're never gonna say that out loud. Yes, they just

1059
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: they had that thought. You can't control thoughts. But because

1060
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: they're not gonna say that out loud, that's why the

1061
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: commentary shooting is so important. It cuts through all the

1062
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: crap and you just say what you need.

1063
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: To say because you're trying to say it right. Makes sense? Yeah, man,

1064
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: so simple yet so profound. Once again, what else you

1065
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: got anything else on there?

1066
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 3: Not much? I was the last thingk just lighter note.

1067
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: Just you did train today?

1068
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1069
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: How'd that go?

1070
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I learned a lot about my I

1071
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: was nervous, like I didn't know.

1072
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: Who you were.

1073
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: Bro.

1074
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I love that I looked you.

1075
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy smokes man. I haven't done a CrossFit

1076
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: workout since I left the SWAT team. I'm like, oh man,

1077
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: that was three years ago. So at home, I've been

1078
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: doing some stuff. Yeah, a little bit of prep work,

1079
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, man, this guy's gonna just absolutely crush me,

1080
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: and you certainly could have. Thank you for not absolutely

1081
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: crushing me. But I learned a lot about like how

1082
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: weak my left shoulder is, Like I've always had movement problems.

1083
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: That necessarily weak. You're just weak in certain ranges of me.

1084
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, that was an eye opener. Like you

1085
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: had me try to lift an eighteen pound kettlebell upside down,

1086
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: upside down and I could like get it to right here.

1087
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to get loud in my head,

1088
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I got it going anywhere, Like it

1089
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't matter how loud I got, I couldn't go anymore.

1090
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: And so all the exercise we did were very eye open.

1091
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for working out with me, Bird, it was awesome.

1092
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: We did a ton of just to give people well

1093
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: you can see it on the accompanying video. We did

1094
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: a ton of shoulder stuff just because you'd been, you know,

1095
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: talking about how your shoulder had been bugging you. I've

1096
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: had shoulder issues. I've switched to left handed because of

1097
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: those shoulder issues, and so I've been there, done that,

1098
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: and uh, Bird has some shoulder issues, but didn't even

1099
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: jump in we'll fix that. Sorry.

1100
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: It was working.

1101
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but did a great job in what's lucky

1102
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: for you. You know, if this was fifteen years ago,

1103
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: we would have just like we're just gonna We're just

1104
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: gonna go in and we're gonna smash each other. Like yeah,

1105
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta like there's like a badge of

1106
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: honor of we got to show people how hard this

1107
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: is and how awesome it is. And over the years,

1108
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: probably like you have, yeah, you've learned if you scare

1109
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: people away, it's.

1110
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: Not And that's where I've been scared away from it

1111
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: because like on the SWAT team, we had all these

1112
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: CrossFit dudes and I was never that guy and we

1113
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: do this CrossFit workout and I couldn't walk for like

1114
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: three days, and like this, man, I gotta be able

1115
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: to like you still the next day.

1116
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: I'll get There are going to be some some days.

1117
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: If you get into it, you are going to have

1118
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: some of those days and they're going to happen. These

1119
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: were like.

1120
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Once a month. Yeah, I rush your face and then

1121
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't want I hate this, but

1122
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: today was like functional and learned a lot and it

1123
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: was awesome and I you know, I'm going to go

1124
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: home and I'm gonna get the equipment that I need,

1125
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: which is not a lot, and I need to get

1126
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: this shoulder fixed fixed up. I don't want to do surgery.

1127
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I just want to get it better, like I've been

1128
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: living with it. I heard it in twenty nineteen. Cool

1129
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: thing was I heard it packing out a giant bowl,

1130
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: which was cool, but it wasn't some whimp story. Yeah

1131
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: so but yeah, man, I really appreciate it. It was awesome.

1132
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you did great, And you know that's what

1133
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: we want to, like, meet people where they're at in

1134
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: the fitness. I wanted you to get a similar stimulus.

1135
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: Like the workout we did was just as hard as

1136
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: it was for me and Ben as it was for

1137
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: you guys. So that's the whole point, all right, if

1138
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: somebody's to walk like, first of all, shot iq you

1139
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: courses and yeah iq.

1140
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Dot com so I've got online courses in archery, rifle, pistol,

1141
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: and then the mind iq courses for all other sports.

1142
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: All right, one takeaway that you want everybody listening, what

1143
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: do you got?

1144
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: The one thing is talk yourself through a shot out loud.

1145
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: And record it, record it. I hate hearing my voice.

1146
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, people hate hearing themselves. Whatever. It's public speaking, it's

1147
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: public humilation, it's the this is the greatest fear of

1148
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: the human being. But when you talk out loud, you go,

1149
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: oh and record it so you can play it back.

1150
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: And because now, I mean when they I've done enough

1151
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: of these podcasts talking about this stuff, and the people like, oh,

1152
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm not talking anymore, or I never talked, or I'm

1153
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the game. I'm talking about the game.

1154
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: Like I had a guy the other day, okay, draw back.

1155
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 4: An aaim, got it, I'm addressing the trigger here, I

1156
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 4: go game aim.

1157
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: And you're still talking about the aim, and then he

1158
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: punched the trigger. I'm like, who are you talking to?

1159
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: Right?

1160
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: What are you talking to? So just get out there,

1161
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: even if you don't know anything about shot IQ, just

1162
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: how do you talk yourself through it? Because just doing

1163
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: that it will override your thoughts and it will set

1164
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: you on the path.

1165
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: So cool. Yeah, my big takeaway was I've just had

1166
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: so much emphasis on the front side of the shot

1167
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: that i just forget about the backside, right, you know,

1168
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: you think punch or just hit the trigger, I'm on

1169
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: the target whatever, And so for me, the big takeaway was.

1170
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: The emphasis goes from once that set, you forget about

1171
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: that front side, and then it's almost like you cut

1172
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: your body in half and I'm like, all right, I'm

1173
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: just thinking about what's going on back here.

1174
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you subcon allow your subconscious to handle the aiming

1175
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: for you. Never let it handle the trigger work for you.

1176
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: And that's been a big thing in archery instruction for

1177
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: a long time, like just you know, shoot so many

1178
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: times and groove it into the subconscious and then in

1179
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: high stress, the subconscios take care are you. Of course

1180
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: it will, but it's also going to punch the trigger. Right,

1181
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: but it's kept you alive for this long. But just

1182
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: delegate it, right, Allow it to do the work that

1183
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: it's really good at. Don't allow it to do the

1184
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: work that it's perfect at.

1185
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: It.

1186
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: Hey, don't let it take this stuff from you.

1187
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: Sweet awesome man. Well, I appreciate you coming out. It

1188
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: was awesome. You have to come back and hang out anytime.

1189
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: Appreciate it and hunt with us and actually teach us

1190
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: what to do the right way. I'll call you. I'm in.

1191
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: We've got some fox a spot that you need. More

1192
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: spots