WEBVTT - National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn Beast

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<v Speaker 1>start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie, a drum roll please? Okay, here we are at

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<v Speaker 2>the Bechdel Cast episode of Wait, the lights are not

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<v Speaker 2>the lights are not? Shoot? Oh no, I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Caitlin Dante, and this is our show

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<v Speaker 2>where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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<v Speaker 2>the Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point for

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<v Speaker 2>a larger discussion about representation and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't that the freaking truth? And here we are at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the holiday season. I'll say it, we're

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<v Speaker 1>scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of holiday

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<v Speaker 1>classics at this point. I think next year we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to really figure out something something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I feel like every year we kind of come

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<v Speaker 2>up on this, but I thought of a whole new

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<v Speaker 2>list of things that we haven't covered. We haven't done

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<v Speaker 2>the Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. Oh true.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is that there's a bunch of like eighties

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<v Speaker 2>and nineties movies that you might not be like as

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with, but they were like pretty big, like cultural

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<v Speaker 2>moments of like Scrooged.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've almost done Scrooged, like for eight

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<v Speaker 1>years in a row. Yeah, listeners, if there is a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday movie that we haven't covered, I would absolutely love

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<v Speaker 1>to know, because Netflix is just not churning out the

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<v Speaker 1>slop like they used to.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just not and it's a damn shame.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a poll recently for matrons to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>vote on what other holiday movie we would do this month,

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<v Speaker 2>and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation one, which is why we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing that today. But then there's also movies like Ghosts

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<v Speaker 2>of Girlfriends Past that is a I think vague Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Carol adaptation something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I confuse it with my super ex Girlfriends, so I

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<v Speaker 1>actually don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have seen Ghost of Girlfriends Past and retained

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<v Speaker 2>very little of it, but that is a Christmas time movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you've got Black Christmas. There's the original from the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the remake. There's in Bruges, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a Christmas time we forget.

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<v Speaker 1>That that is technically yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we've also got The Long Kiss good Night,

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<v Speaker 2>which not enough people voted for, but it's a fun

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<v Speaker 2>action romp starring Geena Davis forgetting like she like doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>remember that she used to be a spy, like an assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>See this sounds good, it's awesome. I have not seen

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I was like you had me at Gena

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<v Speaker 1>Davis like say no more exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And Samuel L. Jackson is in it, like hello, say.

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<v Speaker 1>No more again?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this rocks. So there's more. There's more movies to cover. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no shortage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more, but you know what I mean. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like what, Okay, what we're saying is this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Bechdel cast. Yeah, you know, I would say, don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry too much about the Bechdel test when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to this movie. Oh, it doesn't technically pass in a

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<v Speaker 1>few passing moments. However, spiritually you know it doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the episode. But if in case you're wondering. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bechdel test is a media metric created by queer cartoonist

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<v Speaker 1>Alison Bechdel often called the Bechdel Wallace Test because it

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact co created with Alison Bechdel and her

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<v Speaker 1>friend Liz Wallace. It was originally created as a joke,

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<v Speaker 1>one off joke, in Bechdel's iconic comic collection Dikes To

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<v Speaker 1>Watch Out For. It was originally centered specifically on why

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<v Speaker 1>there was no representation of queer women, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>later sort of straightify for the mainstream. And the version

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<v Speaker 1>of the test that we use requires that two characters

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<v Speaker 1>of a marginalized gender with names speak to each other

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<v Speaker 1>about something other than a man for more than two

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<v Speaker 1>lines of dialogue. And today we are covering a movie

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<v Speaker 1>that it's so interesting. I feel like it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>straddles worlds we've covered before, but I don't think we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever This is the first thing we've covered in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Lampoon EU, right, the nl EU, because there's like

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<v Speaker 1>twelve of these movies that range like forty years, which

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of did not remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because there's a bunch of movies specifically in this

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<v Speaker 2>like vacation series where the Griswold family goes on some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of vacation and then you've got like National Lampoons,

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<v Speaker 2>Animal House.

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<v Speaker 1>They were making these things as late as twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, yeah, I've got I've got some nl

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<v Speaker 1>EU lore to share. It's not particularly interesting, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just is like it's historically they were making these movies

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<v Speaker 1>for nearly forty years. But I think these are sort

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<v Speaker 1>of outside of Animal House. The vacation movies appear to

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<v Speaker 1>be the more famous ones, but we're covering of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that time of the year, Christmas vacation. Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I feel like vacation is a bit of a stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>They're at home, it's a staycation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a staycation, and it's a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And we watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>But caven, what's your history with this?

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<v Speaker 2>So I have seen this before, probably one time as

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<v Speaker 2>a young person, and remembered very little. I remembered vague

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<v Speaker 2>moments of like they get stuck under the log truck.

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<v Speaker 1>That was kind of thrilling. I have to say, the

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<v Speaker 1>log truck. It was like movies from the eighties and nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, damn, they were just destroying cars. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fun. They really did do that a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is also a stunt that happens in the first

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<v Speaker 1>Fest and the Furious movie where they're like little Hondas

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<v Speaker 1>drive under a big rig. Wow, brave of you to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and very true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I call it like I see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that. It's not even that I like had that memory.

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<v Speaker 2>But as soon as I was watching this movie, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that is familiar to me. I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen this before. Other moments, like when he staples his

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<v Speaker 2>sleeve to the roof, I was like, oh, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>is familiar. But there was a moment that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was in this movie that I very distinctly remembered, which

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<v Speaker 2>was there's a scene where they're driving in the car

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<v Speaker 2>and an elderly relative is with them in the back seat,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the kids realize that she's dead and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of flopping her body back and forth. So

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<v Speaker 2>that does not take.

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<v Speaker 1>Place in this It was like, excuse me, well.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this was in this movie, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>another National Lampoon Vacation movie that I was confusing it with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that one that I'm referring to, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's just called National Lampoon's Vacation. Okay, listeners, If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>incorrect about this, let me know, but I had this memory.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, I can't wait for the part

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<v Speaker 2>where the dead relative is in the back of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it never happened in Christmas Vacation, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, guess it's a different movie. So wow, Gaslighting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I basically remembered nothing about this movie. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a big National lampoon head, not a big chevy

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<v Speaker 2>Chase head. He's my least favorite character from Community. I

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<v Speaker 2>was about to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, my entry point for chevy Chase was community, and therefore.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you're so young.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very youthful. But I just I feel like people

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<v Speaker 1>whose entry point for chevy Chasse was community have been

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<v Speaker 1>socially conditioned to hate him, and it seems like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of rightfully.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he doesn't seem like a I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how he is as a person. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know his politics or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what his politics are. I just know

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<v Speaker 1>that he's like a famously a monster to his coworkers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well then fuck him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe he is a freakin lib He goes

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<v Speaker 1>blue no matter who. So it's not his politics. I

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<v Speaker 1>have quite as much issue with as much as just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure if I'm remembering correctly, I'm gonna check

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<v Speaker 1>this really quick. But he like had beef with every

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<v Speaker 1>single person on the set of Community, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't on the show the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they kill him off. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say at some point, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so okay, sorry this is unpleasant, but so chevy

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<v Speaker 1>Chase was fired from Community after he said a racial

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<v Speaker 1>slur on set. So he is a confirmed bad person.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well yeah, fuck him straight to hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Glover has spoken about I'm pulling from a Variety

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<v Speaker 1>article from last year, from twenty twenty three. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>chevy Chase was removed from the show for literally the

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<v Speaker 1>safety and like comfort of the cast. Didn't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>extent to which he's a wants, but he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He sucks. So yeah, this movie wasn't really going to

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<v Speaker 2>appeal to me, and so when I rewatched it to

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<v Speaker 2>prep for this episode, I was like, Yep, this movie

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<v Speaker 2>is not for me. Maybe if I had more of

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<v Speaker 2>a nostalgic attachment to it or something. And I get

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people do, and you'll just have

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<v Speaker 2>to be ready for us to dunk on it. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's our job. There you go, Jamie. What's your history

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<v Speaker 2>with the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen this damn thing. I remember the second

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<v Speaker 1>wave of national lampoon movies. I remember, you know, hearing

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<v Speaker 1>titles like Van Wilder. You know, Circulary that is a

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<v Speaker 1>national lampoon thing, right, It's like it made it all

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<v Speaker 1>the way to young Ryan Reynolds. Here is some more

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<v Speaker 1>recent titles, more recent, I mean last twenty or so years,

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<v Speaker 1>Van Wilder, Van Wilder, The Rise of Taj, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a cal Pen character. I guess, okay, let's see what else.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, for some reason, there was another one

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, which stars Ed Helms as a grown

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<v Speaker 1>up Russ, which is interesting because Russ is played by.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny GLUCKI, who is a working actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a MULTIHI millionaire. It's Leonard for crying out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know why Leonard did. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be interesting if Johnny Glucky's like, here's where

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<v Speaker 1>I draw the line, and not the Big Bang theory

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<v Speaker 1>whatever these movies were coming out for. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>was another Randy Quaid one in two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Vacation two cousin Eddie's Island Adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone, because I certainly have never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of it. At least I heard of Van Wilder. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was successful. Anyways, this is a whole eu. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had not seen any of these movies. They

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<v Speaker 1>were not shown in my household. We just like weren't

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<v Speaker 1>a big like John Hughes's Household.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Chevy Chase is a piece of shit, Randy Quaid,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even get me started. However, I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is like an interesting piece of kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>moment in time cultural stuff. This movie feels so eighties

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<v Speaker 1>in its presentation of like an upper middle class that

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<v Speaker 1>no longer exists. Yeah, it's interesting. I'm excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that sort of aspect of it. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very John Hughes. It is weird that, like, once

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<v Speaker 1>I read that this was based on a story that

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<v Speaker 1>John Hughes had written about the late fifties, it made

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<v Speaker 1>much more sense to me because I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>this world even existed in the eighties. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>post World War two middle class sort of politics. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even place it. I was like, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>just what Chicago suburbs were like back then, growing up

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<v Speaker 2>in a very small rural town. I'm just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what suburbs are like. I would never go

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<v Speaker 2>to one. Is this what it is? I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't even I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unclear on that as well, like because this is

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<v Speaker 1>like a class that neither of us were ever a

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<v Speaker 1>part of, and I know that there's so much movie

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<v Speaker 1>fed versions of it. Also, I mean, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>more detailed version of this conversation in our Matreon Ferris

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<v Speaker 1>Bueller episode. But John Hughes also kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>right wing kind of guy. This movie does feel conservative coded,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say yes. Anyways, there were a few things

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<v Speaker 1>that got me. I liked that Julia Louis Dreyfuss is

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie, for example, I like kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very low hanging fruit, but the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like wasp criticism like bits with that couple is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of funny. My mom introduced me to a term over

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<v Speaker 1>the summer that like my brother and I kept laughing

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<v Speaker 1>because we thought she was like she was unwell, have

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<v Speaker 1>you heard of the phrase dinks No, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I also hadn't, and my brother and I were laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>were like, Mom, what's wrong with you? Dink is I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like coated with this sort of yuppy culture of

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<v Speaker 1>the ragged era. It's an acronym that stands for double

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<v Speaker 1>income no kids dnk oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard that full expression, but I haven't heard it

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<v Speaker 2>abbreviated as dink.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, because it sounds ridiculous. But yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>mom was like, oh, those dinks. I was like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you say? So that's what's going on with Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Dreyfus.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a dance yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>As is her right. Anyways, this movie was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it felt longer than it was. I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you grew up with this movie, I understand why

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<v Speaker 1>it might feel like a warm blanket in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that like a Christmas Story isn't my favorite, but

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<v Speaker 1>I get why people like it. It's a series of

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<v Speaker 1>like you can leave the room for twenty minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>comeback and be able to understand what's going on. Every scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Chevy Chase is either like oie or I'm horny and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the whole movie. That's like, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>drunk on eggnog, then live, laugh, love. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting. Angela Battlamente did this score for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm not familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>He most famously worked with David Lynch. He did like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole theme for Twin Peaks. He's like a very

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, like blue velvet like. He did very iconic

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<v Speaker 1>scores and then he also did the xylophone when Chevy

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<v Speaker 1>Chase gets bunked on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie was like, maybe it won't make for a

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<v Speaker 1>great episode because I struggle to conjure a strong feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about this movie. I didn't like it. I get what

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<v Speaker 1>others do, and I probably won't watch it ever again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was hanging out with our mutual friend Brian

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<v Speaker 2>last night and we were like what movie should we watch?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, I have to watch National

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<v Speaker 2>Lampoon's Christmas Vacation for work and he's like no, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>So instead we were like, okay, well, what's another maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like Christmasy movie or what should we watch instead? And

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<v Speaker 2>Gremlins came up, not as something we really wanted to watch,

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<v Speaker 2>but We're like, oh, that's another Christmas movie, And then

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<v Speaker 2>we both realized we had never seen Gremlins two, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we watched that.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have covered that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is my new favorite movie I love, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>already been a longtime fan of the Key and Peel

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<v Speaker 2>Gremlins two sketch.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a classic, even if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about, which I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I never did, but it was still so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that I have seen Gremlins two and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like further contextualized, I love it even more. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the sketch even more. But now I also love the

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<v Speaker 2>movie Gremlins too. It rocks so hard. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>what anyone says. It's awesome. It should have swept the

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<v Speaker 2>Oscars that year. It's the best movie I've ever seen anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's cover it a different time. Okay, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not a fan of this movie. Shall we take

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<v Speaker 2>a break and then come back for the recap?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do it all right, and we're freaking back.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should have said really quickly. So this movie, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>movie written by John Hughes, directed by a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah s Checchik, who I gotta say, not much to

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<v Speaker 1>say about him, not much is known, hopefully he's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. And it's connected to obviously National Lampoon Magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>which I have more on in the contact section, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's where we're coming into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and as you hinted at, it's a movie with

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<v Speaker 2>just not exactly sketches, but it's just like little moments,

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<v Speaker 2>little vignettes of like the things that the family is

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<v Speaker 2>getting up to, except it's mostly just what Clark Griswold

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<v Speaker 2>is getting up to.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he's getting up to is aUI or Boner Corny.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are his two settings, aUI and Boner huh. And

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<v Speaker 1>we love that he's the last family man, as is

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<v Speaker 1>a line of dialogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, okay, So we open on an animated sequence featuring

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Claus Ever heard of him? He is visiting the

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<v Speaker 2>home of the Griswold family on Christmas Eve and then

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<v Speaker 2>chaos ensues.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of miss this is something I miss? Is

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<v Speaker 1>the animated intro?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yeah, whatever happened to them anyway? Then we

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<v Speaker 2>meet the Griswold family who are in the car on

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<v Speaker 2>their way to get a Christmas tree. The dad is

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<v Speaker 2>Clark played by Chevy Chase. The mom is Ellen played

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<v Speaker 2>by Beverly DiAngelo. They have a teen daughter named Audrey

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<v Speaker 2>played by Juliet Lewis, and a like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve ish year old son, Russ, played by a young

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Glecky. As we mentioned, there's this whole thing with

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<v Speaker 2>like a pickup truck that's like driving like an asshole,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a huge logging truck that Clark gets stuck

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<v Speaker 2>under in their car. A lot of high jinks, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of road high jinks, and then they end up

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<v Speaker 2>in the wilderness where they take an enormous tree that

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<v Speaker 2>looks like it's like three stories tall from the forest

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<v Speaker 2>and then they put it up in their living room somehow. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's that. Then Ellen tells Clark that her parents

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<v Speaker 2>are coming to visit for the holidays. Clark's parents are

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<v Speaker 2>also planning to come, and these two sides of the

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<v Speaker 2>family don't really get along, so Ellen wonders if they

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<v Speaker 2>should change their plans and do something else, but Clark

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<v Speaker 2>is like, no, it's my dream to have a big

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<v Speaker 2>family gathering for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't worry, he won't be doing very much.

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<v Speaker 2>To make it happen, he will be stapling lights on

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<v Speaker 2>the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he does the lights, but he'll do it one

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<v Speaker 1>very complixent This actually does feel kind of I'm painting

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<v Speaker 1>with a broadbrush hair. But this is kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>father coded behavior to me to do one incredibly complicated

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<v Speaker 1>thing that no one asked for or wants, while the

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<v Speaker 1>mother is tasked with all of the childcare and doing

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<v Speaker 1>the things that people both want and need, such as.

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<v Speaker 2>Eating food yeah yeah, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And wrapping gifts and you know, all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that are required versus the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That nobody wantss at all. Yeah. Yeah, That is the

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<v Speaker 2>whole narrative of this movie. Okay, so then we see

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<v Speaker 2>Clark at work. He is counting on his holiday bonus

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<v Speaker 2>because he wants to install a pool and he's already

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<v Speaker 2>put down a seventy five hundred dollars deposit on the

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<v Speaker 2>like installation of a swimming pool, but his asshole boss

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<v Speaker 2>played by Brian Doyle Murray has not sent out the

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<v Speaker 2>holiday bonus checks yet, so Clark is kind of panicking.

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<v Speaker 1>It must really suck being the simil looking sibling of

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<v Speaker 1>a famous person, because they do just look like Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle Murray to me just looks like uncanny Valley Bill Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if like he and I mean is he.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's probably dead, right, he was old

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's still living.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see. Oh no, he's alive. He's alive. He's alive

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seventy nine years old. He should meet up

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<v Speaker 1>with like Haley Duff and like Elle Fanning, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said all like sort of have a kekey about this

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<v Speaker 1>because it has to be like a very disorienting experience. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Elle Fanning is now the more I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if she's the more famous, but she's getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Like more work. That's true. Okay, well then maybe Elle

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<v Speaker 1>Elle's out Haley Duff is it. I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 1>of a third example of this phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Kevin Dylon, who is an Entourage and he's the

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<v Speaker 2>brother of Matt Dlon. Matt Dylan. I was like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the more famous one's name? Can't remember?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, good for Kevin Dylan for having the Caitlin Toronte recall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just because I've seen all those seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Entourage, same with what's the other Oh, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wahlberg's the Donnie Wahlberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie is invited to the last famous sibling party. This

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<v Speaker 1>all sounds like a bad robot check and sketch I

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<v Speaker 1>would have written, like five years ago. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a free idea for whoever whatever hack comedy writers listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this free idea there you don't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, So there's the whole thing with his boss

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<v Speaker 2>and Clark hasn't received the bonus yet, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to a department store for some Christmas shopping, except

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<v Speaker 2>what he does instead is just ogle at the hot

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<v Speaker 2>saleswoman and he's like, uh woo ga hubba hubba.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the hot sales lady, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we get a name, no, And of course she's behaving

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<v Speaker 1>completely apathetical to the way that a human woman who's

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<v Speaker 1>being actively sexually harassed would. She's like, lift her skirt

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<v Speaker 1>up in the middle. This is all very connected to obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>just like garden variety misogyny, but also national lampoon, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>a pin in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, that's okay. So then all of the grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>show up at the Griswold home, and it's chaos. Clark

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<v Speaker 2>starts decorating for Christmas. He's stapling twenty five thousand lights

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<v Speaker 2>onto his house. It looks like shit, if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 2>And then with this decorating process, there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>high jinks with the ladder and the stapler, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when he turns the lights on, they don't work, and

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<v Speaker 2>so Clark is so disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's also this running gag with the neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the Julia Louis Dreyfus character. And what a

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<v Speaker 2>dank guy is The danks, right, They are very like

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<v Speaker 2>pretentious and they think Clark is a loser. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>this part where while Clark is decorating, a large shard

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<v Speaker 2>of ice goes flying out of his gutter and then

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<v Speaker 2>smashes through the neighbor's window and destroys their stereo.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, sorry, yeah, I just I didn't. I was not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with this character. Actor who plays the other Dink,

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<v Speaker 1>the non Julia Lawie drives dank. He's a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Last Famous Sibling Club. He's Christopher Guest's brother, whoa

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<v Speaker 1>look at that, look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that just reminds us that we haven't covered a

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Guest movie on the podcast, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes oh my god, yes, which is wild because I

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<v Speaker 1>think he like might be my favorite comedy director of

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<v Speaker 1>all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the hell haven't we done best in show waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for Guffman spinal Tap?

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I mean that's a Matrean theme waiting to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's I love that man. Anyways, Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's joining my Royal Society of lest famous Siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for the first meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So then I think it's the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Clark goes into the attic to hide some gifts, but

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<v Speaker 2>then Ellen's mom closes the attic door, not realizing that

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 2>he's in there, so he's trapped there while the family

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<v Speaker 2>leaves and goes Christmas shopping, And so he passes the

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<v Speaker 2>time watching old reels of family Christmases, which I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess is a reference to the source material, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a short story about Christmas nineteen fifty nine. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a fun Easter rag for boring people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Yeah, So he watches that and he's feeling

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<v Speaker 2>very sentimental because this guy freaking loves Christmas. Then the

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>decorative Christmas lights thing comes back, where there's this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing where the lights still won't turn on, but then

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 2>someone finds a light switch and then they do turn on,

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>but there's all this confusion because no, no one really

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>knows the source of what's making the lights turn on. Also,

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 2>these bright lights going on and off are making the

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>mean dinky neighbors pratfall all over their house.

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>These dinks, these freaking dinks. I have nothing to say

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>about the dinks, I don't think. I just think that

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, they're like, yeah, they're low hanging eighties

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>comedy fruit. And I guess they are kind of making

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>fun of married couples with no kids, but I feel

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>like they're more making fun of the class.

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Like the snobbiness them not having kids, I think is

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>commentary on like what selfish adults they are for not,

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, pro creating and having a nuclear family the

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>way that you're supposed to in America kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, But I also think it's like they're coded

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>as so like snobby, wealthy that I feel like it

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>almost like I don't know, for me, at least, it

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>like kind of leveled out in terms of like it's

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>ultimately saying not very much.

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, this movie has an interesting approach to class

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>where the movie does not like rich people, which we

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 2>see with the Neighbors and with the Boss, but the

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 2>movie also hates poor people, and it deems the middle

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>class is the only acceptable socioeconomic class.

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>To be in, which is very jarring watching in a

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>modern context because I think to most people, the Griswolds,

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>they are like living what is now considered to be

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>a wealthy lifestyle. Their homeowners they have a ton that

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>they have room to host like ten people at their house.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>You're like, they're living in what would be a multi

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar house.

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Now they're about to have a swimming pool maybe like

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>there is he already put down the down payment, he.

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Had the money for the down payment. Where I fit

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>now in you know, like we're not living in flush

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>times and so, you know, I'm sure this was unrealistic

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>for the time as well, but it's like, you know,

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty almost thirty years on, like or more than thirty

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>years on, all the more unrealistic because you're like, well,

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>what second, you guys are rich, but they're sort of yeah,

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>presented as these middle class heroes in a way that

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure was more realistic at the time, but I'm

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>not totally assold that it would have been totally realistic

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty nine to be like, I'm just a

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>normal guy, and meanwhile, you have like a three floorhouse

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that you own. Come on, come on, But yes, the

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>hatred of the poor is brutal.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>You will talk more about it. Yeah, I just did

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>an inflation calculation for seventy five hundred dollars, which is

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>what he did for the down payment on the swimming pool.

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>So adjusted for inflation, seventy five hundred dollars in eighty

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>nine is almost twenty thousand dollars in twenty twenty four money.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>So he just had twenty thousand lying around dollars.

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's a working class hero, like you know.

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>And the thing that's frustrating is like, yes, this should

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>be a lifestyle that is accessible with the far more

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>people than it is, like you know, and even the

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>whole like I felt myself being mad at tiv Chase,

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>which it was so bisguy was like he wants this

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>bonus for this pool, and you're like, fuck you man,

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Like it's hard not But then you're also like, well,

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>everyone deserves a holiday bonus. I feel like we're also

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>like modern times pilled with like, I don't know, like

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I just feel inherently resentful looking at people from the

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>past having more than we will ever have in our lives.

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>But that's just modernity, baby.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>That's late stage capitalism.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I hope everyone I've never gotten a

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>holiday bons my damn life. I think Grant got a

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:42.719
<v Speaker 1>thirty five dollars best Buy gift certificate last year. Oh

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>my god. Wow, night on the town. Let's go.

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>You can buy one DVD with that? Are DVD is

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>still a thing? Or kidding? What blu ray? All right? Anyway,

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>so there's the whole Christmas lights thing again. Then cousin

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Eddie played by Randy Quaid and his family show up

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>in their RV and everyone's like, oh wow, what a

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 2>nice surprise. Sure you can stay here, there's plenty of room.

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>And again, what's happening here is that this movie hates

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>poor people and thinks they are a joke. Yes, Then

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the family goes sledding at night. Okay, yeah, right, what

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>sledding at night?

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I've been sledding at night. It's not really patrarian. Yes,

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I've been slutting at night.

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It seems very dangerous.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, we were doing it at I did at my

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>cousins with my cousins, but it was like at like

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a designated area, Like it wasn't just like, yeah, that

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>would have been scary, but there was like I don't

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>know where this would have been, but there was like

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a designated area for late night sliding where they had

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>like big floodlights and stuff, so you couldn't just like

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:58.959
<v Speaker 1>soar into the abyss or whatever.

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's doesn't seem to be lights at wherever they

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are or not significant ones. So and then Clark greases

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 2>up his sled because he works for some It reminded

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>me of Eddie Murphy's job in Daddy Don's Care.

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I wrote that down too, where I was like, why

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>so many cereal jobs?

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Men, these like comedy dads had like a food

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>processing breakfast cereal job.

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>He's making like corn flake lube or something like. It

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>was really weird. And he makes six figures at this

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:39.479
<v Speaker 1>breakfast job. Wow. Okay, okay, thank you Jesus Christ.

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so he greases up his sled with some weird

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>food product, and then he goes really really fast down

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the hill and crashes, and that's just another one of

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the little comedy bit that happens in the movie. Then Clark,

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>despite him not receiving his Christmas bonus, still he fantasizes

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>about the swimming pool that he's planning to buy. And

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>this fantasy includes the hot saleswoman from the store from

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>earlier taking off her swimsuit and diving into the pool.

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 2>And he's horny, horny, horny, so exhausting.

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, I was getting really scared. I

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>was getting fearful watching that scene that he was going

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>because his niece disturbs him, and I thought there was

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna be some like horrible bonder do same because he

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>turns around because I was like, am I perverse for

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>having this anxiety? But I thought he's gonna be like covering,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't think that they were gonna show, you know,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>but like I thought he's gonna be like cut, which

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>would have been really gross. They don't. He's flaccid as

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>he's having this sexual fancy and so whatever like that.

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>That's what I would prefer I guess I would prefer

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to it if not happened at all. But again, that's

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a very National lampooon. I feel like that is almost

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>a weird like wink and knot to like what National

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Lampoon was famous for, which was misogynist jokes. Yeah right, yeah,

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>so she's just a nameless almost naked but not naked

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>enough to make it so that kids couldn't see the movie.

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>National Lampoon model essentially.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Also reminded me there's a similar swimming pool fantasy sequence

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>in Is It Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't think that's Is that a fantasy though,

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>because I think that that.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Was just like there's a part where and Phoebe Kate's, Yeah,

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Phoebe Kate's, And then I think it's Judge Reinholder. I

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>forget which character is having the fantasy, but he's fantasizing

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>about her like being really sexy and like doing like

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>very like male gaze choreography. But then it cuts to

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 2>what she's actually doing, which is like choking on the

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>pool water or something.

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh right, yes, you see, like the the two

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 1>different versions of it. God, if I was Phoebe Kate's

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I would have gotten the fuck out of Hollywood too.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Like Phoebe Kase who is one of the stars of

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Gremlins too, my kid.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't well, I just didn't think she would

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>come back. Look at that. Wow, I love I love

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>that expanded family. I like Kevin Klein, I like her,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and I love their NEPO daughter. I think I probably

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>brought this up when we covered Gremlins, but their neto

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>daughter was one of my favorite indie musicians in college.

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Frankie Cosmos.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, is Phoebe Kate's married to Kevin Klein.

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she has been since the eighties. What.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had no idea.

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So hopefully that means they like each other. It's a

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>long time angers, but cross you know many such cases. Anyways, Yes,

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I was reminded of that scene as well. It was

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like if Phoebe Kate's didn't even have a character to

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>snap back to, that's what they're doing.

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yes, So he's having the day dream, which is

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>interrupted by cousin Eddie's young daughter named Ruby Sue, who

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>tells Clark that she is skeptical that Santa exists because

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>she didn't get any presents last year. And we know

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>this is probably because her parents are poor and they

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>couldn't afford to buy gifts, so Clark is determined to

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 2>prove to her that Santa does exist aka, presumably he

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and Ellen will give gifts to cousin Eddie's two kids,

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 2>and a big moment is made of this, and yet

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>it never pays off. We never see those kids getting gifts. Nope,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>we don't see Clark shopping for the gifts. Nothing.

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>We're just told I feel like again, like this, Vivie

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>tells us that Clark is a good guy a lot

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and never really shows us.

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence on screen.

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So cousin Eddie meanwhile is dumping his sewage from

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>his RV into the storm drain and that's going to

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 2>pay off. Weird, just unfunny way, but that's happening day.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Then some more relatives show up. This is Aunt Bethany

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and Uncle Lewis, and there's a lot of jokes to

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.919
<v Speaker 2>the effect of old people are so.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Clueless, and I'm laughing.

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's those characters.

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing already, yeah.

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. And now it's Christmas Eve and everyone sits

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 2>down for a big family dinner, but it's a disaster.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>The turkey is disgusting. Aunt Bethany's cat and the Christmas

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>tree get burnt to a crisp because oh yeah, this

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>movie thinks that animal abuse is hilarious as well.

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And even more to the point, I mean, because we

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>were just talking about this in our eight Crazy Nights episode.

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Like then, old people are ridiculous, which is really frustrating

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>given the like prestige of.

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>The actors they have.

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Cassidy's roles, I did a little digging there. Like Aunt

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Bethany is played by actress named May Questelle. This is

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>her last film appearance. She's the original voice of Betty

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Boop in Olive Oil. She's a bit of a legend.

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Doris Roberts, who most people will know from Everybody Loves Raymond,

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. Diane Ladd, who's literally in Chinatown. She has

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>like won a shitload of awards, like famous prestige actor,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>like just all of these famous actors, and then they're like, okay,

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>so here's the assignment. You're old, and you're annoying, and

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>you're just like no respect, no respect, particularly because like

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Diane Ladd is like in her early fifties when this

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>movie comes out, and they're already treating her like she's

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>a thousand years old.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Does she play one of the grandparents?

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:49.240
<v Speaker 1>She plays chevy Chase's mother. Oh okay, while being let's see,

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>while being less than ten years older eight years older

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>than chevy Chase playing his mother. I just like the

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>hatred for women knows no bounds anyways.

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. So all this chaos ensues at the family dinner,

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and then things seem like they're going to turn around

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>when Clark finally receives what he thinks is his holiday

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 2>bonus check, but instead it's like a Jelly of the

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Month club. So he throws a fit because now he

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 2>can't afford the swimming pool, and he says that all

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>he wants for Christmas is for someone to bring him

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>his boss so he can punch him or something. I

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I was like tuning out during this long

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>tirade he's going on.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Cousin Eddie is like, I'm poor, so I can't detect nuance.

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So seriously, so he leaves and goes to kidnap the boss. Meanwhile, Clark,

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 2>who is still acting berserk, goes outside and cuts down

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>a new tree from the yard of their dinky neighbors.

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:58.359
<v Speaker 2>But oh no, there's a squirrel in the tree and

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 2>it's running around the house and terrorizing the family.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 1>There's a snake in my boot, more like there's a

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>squirrel in my tree exactly. I think this squirrel part

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of woke me back up a little bit. I

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>do like a good Rodent chase, uh huh. And then

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>they lost me again. But for a second, I was like, oh,

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>squirrel fun.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>That reminded me of the scene in Monty Python The

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Holy Grail where that like killer Bunny is just sort

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>of like flying horizontally across space.

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Like furious Rodent. I'm laughing. I'm laughing.

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>It's funny.

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>It's good.

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I like Rodent movies, Rattatui, Ratchatowing.

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess what I'm saying is I like Rattatui and Rattatowing.

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Those are movies that I like. And so the squirrel

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>worked for me.

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense.

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>There is a great wait. I feel like we've talked

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>about you continue I need I'm thinking about Rodents for

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a second.

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we should do Rodent tober Well.

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because I was looking for I know, I bring

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>him up all the time. But Mike's Mike, one of

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 1>my favorite YouTubers. Who made an iconic video called the

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Animated Rodent Agenda of two thousand and six and two

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven because there was flushed away over the Hedge,

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Alvin and the Chipmunks and Ratatui back to back to

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>back to back, all Rodent centric movies that all did

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>well in the space of two years.

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Wild and why is that? It makes you think?

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, Rodent tober is well within our reach. Does anyone

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>want that?

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Thoughts too bad? We're doing it anyway.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're doing it. Cut print done anyway.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So there's the squirrel and Clark eventually gets the

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 2>squirrel out of the house, but everyone is just like

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:42.879
<v Speaker 2>freaked out, mostly by Clark's behavior and the various tie

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>raids he's gone on. Yeah, so they try to leave,

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>but Clark demands that they all stay, and then cousin

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Eddie shows back up with Clark's boss, who Eddie has

0:39:54.280 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 2>kidnapped as per Clark's wish earlier, and Clark calls out

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 2>his boss for withholding bonus checks and being a greedy prick,

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and his boss is like, oh, damn, you're right. I

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>guess capitalism is bad, and he like has this weird

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 2>redemption and then a bunch of cops show up because

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>of this abduction, but the boss is like, no, no, no,

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it's fine, everything's fine. I learned my lesson.

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 1>Classic rich guy, classic rich guy.

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, rich people are always regretting exploiting the labor

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.359
<v Speaker 2>famously of people in the classes below them.

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And then he tells his wife, who shows up, who

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I was, Like, I recognize her from something. And what

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I recognize her from is she was on a Star

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Truk show and she's own Star Trek tng in a

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>small part a few times.

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Yeah, Okay, So then they go outside because

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>they spot a shooting star and Clark is like, it's

0:40:55.760 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas Star, except it's actually something to do with

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the gas that was created by the raw sewage that

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.839
<v Speaker 2>cousin Eddie dumped down the storm drain and then there's

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>a big explosion and the family's like, ha ha ha,

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>what a wacky Christmas.

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Now this is like the second sewage plot point in

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a holiday movie we've covered this week on the show

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>beauh Yeah. Crazy Nights also has a big sewage Like, guys, come.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 2>On, let's not have shit.

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, poo poo joke. Can be funny, but neither

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 1>of these are.

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>But thankfully that's the end of the movie.

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 2>That is the end. So let's take a quick break

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and we'll come back to discuss.

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're back. I think I kind of said everything

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I already had to about National Lampoon magazine, but I

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 1>did just want to touch on, like if you're not

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>familiar with now Lampoon or why it's called these. It

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>was a humor humor magazine that existed from nineteen seventy

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen ninety eight. It was very popular. I think

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it like kind of peaked in the late seventies into

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the eighties when these movies were coming out. I remember

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 1>that my dad had a copy of it. I think

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the funny I mean, but all of the

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, have you ever seen that if you don't

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>buy this magazine, will kill this dog cover of National Lampoo.

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 1>I do think it is quite funny. My dad used

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a copy of the Yeah it is you know,

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it's edge lord shit. You know, it's late twentieth century

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 1>edge lordism, and it is a dog with a gun

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to its head. It's photoshopped. If you don't buy this

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>magazine will kill this dog and I'm laughing. However, most

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of the things in National Lampoon, I would not be laughing.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's whatever an extremely mixed bag. But there

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>were some like famous comedy writers that did more surreal, funny,

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.840
<v Speaker 1>actually funny stuff that was in there, but there was

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>plenty of stuff that wasn't. It was pretty notorious for

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>having a lot of casual racism, and it was all

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but branded as being like overtly misogynist, where many of

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the covers are like there's like popless women on the covers.

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>The jokes are often exploitative and fucked up. So that's

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the legacy of the magazine, and so that's very much

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously the playbook that the NLU is pulling from, And

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I would guess that this movie is probably on the

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>lower end of that as opposed to I mean, I

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen Animal House. I'm sure we'll have to get

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>around to it someday, someday, but I think that like

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>these are sort of like less leaning into that, and

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>it's still pretty bad. So I just wanted to say.

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, Yeah, my guess is that they wanted to

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>appeal to a wider demographic and so they had to

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>make it like more family friendly.

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I think this is just like their family

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the family branding of a very dirty magazine. And then

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>they are like, or you know, if you.

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Just want a night out with the books, you can

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 2>go see you.

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Know what, Animal House or Van Wilder whatever the fuck?

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, but yeah, this one is like a little

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>more tame, but it's still there's still plenty, plenty plenty

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Where would you like to start, kay them?

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would just say that the opening sequence

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of this movie pretty well sets the tone for all

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the things we're going to see throughout the movie, because

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a father who is dragging his family into this

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>bad idea that he has. Like you said, it's like

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>he's doing the thing that no one wants and no

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>one asked for. But he's like, well, I'm the man

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of the family, so everyone needs to listen to me,

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'm in control, and what I say goes. So

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>he's taking his family to go into the wilderness to

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 2>dig up an enormous, comically large Christmas tree. On the way,

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 2>he gets into a like road rage dick measuring contest

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 2>with people who are like very poverty coded, and it's

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 2>another like, look at these poor people, aren't they horrible?

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>They're out to get him? Yeah, yeah, it is very

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying a masculine dick measuring contest. I mean,

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>most of the setups here and I know this is

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 1>very intentionally done, is like, look at how ridiculous Clark is.

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, like look how misguided. Like the thing that's

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 1>tricky is like I don't think we're supposed to think

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>he's right much of the time, but we are supposed

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>to always like him and write what would make this

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:45.720
<v Speaker 1>whole situation so much easier to swallow? And it wouldn't

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>resolve every problem with the movie certainly, But if like

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it was a married couple doing this, like if it

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 1>was a clueless married couple as opposed to it's just

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 1>like so clear that Beverly DiAngelo, who again is way

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>too talented to be in these movies, like, is never

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 1>going to get a laugh line. She's going to be

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the straight person in every single scene. She's going to

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>be heavily gender coded. Like it sucks because you get

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I think it's honestly probably just because Julia Louis Drivius

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>is cast in that role, but like that's the only

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 1>straight couple where you really see the woman in the

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 1>couple get precedence in terms of getting the jokes and

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 1>getting the laughlines, because the movie is just like it's

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Beverly D'Angelo is just a like reflection board to prioritize

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Clark's feelings. You know, whatever Clark wants, she has to

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>rise to the occasion to do, even to the point

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that like at the end it really bummed me out

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>and felt very again telling of like how conservative a

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 1>household this is that when you know, first of all,

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 1>we're not really it's not indicated that Ellen works. It

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>seems like she's a day at home mom, which certainly

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.720
<v Speaker 1>happened in the eighties, but does feel more late fifties

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>than late eighties. But that like when she finds out

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that Clark has put down the equivalent of twenty thousand

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars today on something without talking to her, right, like

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 1>she has no reaction to that, and like it's just

0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like goes to show how clearly unequal this like household

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is where it's like, oh my god, like my mom

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 1>would have just, i don't.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Know, blew a gasket, Like yeah.

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she would have run over him with the car,

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>like if one parent. But I feel like it's implied like, well,

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>he's the breadwinner, so he gets to make all financial decisions,

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, like work in the home, it has

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 1>no value, and you know, homemakers just have to get

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>in line. You know, just all these very like traditional

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>conservative values that these movies sort of embody.

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, So she has no reaction to learning that her

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.919
<v Speaker 2>husband just spent an enormous sum of money without consulting her.

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>She does have other reactions throughout the movie, but it's

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>always just like Clark, Oh, come on, stop that, stop it.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, like her whole character is just like, oh my,

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that's my husband. He's annoying and I hate him, but

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 2>I love him, but he's always doing something and I'm

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>always nagging him.

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean it's like and thankfully she's not like

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>hyper like she's certainly not even in the top fifty

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>percentile of naggiest mother characters. True scene, she is, like,

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>she's a very likable character. It's just that we don't

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>get anything for her. She doesn't really get to be funny.

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:45.240
<v Speaker 1>She does, like you're saying, like push against Clark very lightly.

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while, but he always overrides her

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>where She's like, I don't know, do we really want

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.959
<v Speaker 1>to have like our entire family stay here? And he's

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like yes, and then does nothing to contribute. It's also

0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 1>heavily implied that, like it's okay that Clark is having

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 1>these horny fantasies about the woman who plays in the

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 1>store clerk. I guess her name is Mary, and she's

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>played by a model named Nicolette Scorsese, but not related

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 1>to Wow, not of those scarseces Because I was gonna

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 1>say that would be a wild I.

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Was gonna say, is she the less famous sibling? And

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>then she could join the club your club if she

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 2>was the less famous sibling of Martin.

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>No, have you seen Caitlyn Martin Scorsese's like TikTok collaborations

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>with his gen Z daughter. No, Oh my god, Martin

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Scarcese has like a twenty five year old daughter named Francesca,

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and she has like I'll send them to you, this

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>like series of very funny, very sweet tiktoks of her

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 1>just like talking to her dad about like she had

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>him like live comment on her doing a like makeup

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>get Ready with Me video and he's like trying to

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>keep up. He's like, okay, frand Tusks putting on some

0:49:55.640 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>rouge and like he's trying to narrate it, and it's

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>so Yeah, Francesca Scorsese is my my NEPO baby of choice.

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 1>She's very funny.

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>That's great. I love the And I don't think we've

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 2>brought this up on the podcast before, but there's that

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>clip that's been circulating around the internet. Ever heard of

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 2>it of al Pacino doing an interview and his phone

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 2>has a Shrek case on it.

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Jendsey's daughter too, Yeah, and.

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 2>The interviewers like, why do you have Shrek on your phone?

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>And like al Pacino tells this like very weirdly constructed

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>story about how his daughter like took his phone, put

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>a Shrek case on his phone and then gave it back.

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 2>And then the interviewers like, oh, so that's why you

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 2>shrek it or something like that. He uses Shrek as

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 2>a verb. It's incredible.

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>He al Pacino is cracking up too. He's like he

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>loves it. He noticed who would be Okay, I watched it,

0:50:54.719 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>who would be expecting Shrek? Who that's mine? He's so

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 1>protective of his Shrek Phone case. Who would be extracting?

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Who would be extracting?

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's mine. We have to show that at the

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Shrek Tannex shows.

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Another reason to come to our shows. Listeners.

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:19.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, she came back and she had this

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.840
<v Speaker 1>on it. She said it's Shrek Dad. I said, Shrek.

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, babe, I'll hold on to it. That's all story

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:31.959
<v Speaker 1>I got.

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It must be so weird having a very old dad.

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:41.120
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, good for them for supporting their gen Z

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:46.680
<v Speaker 1>daughters and their various pranks. Anyways, Nicolet Scorsese, I just

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:48.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted to like shout her out because I feel.

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Like she's just done no justice in this for sure.

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, we were talking about we were talking about Ellen's

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 1>yes before we got distracted by the Shrek Phone case.

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a part of a longer conversation about just the

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 2>way that Clark interacts with women in general, because I

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of just made a list of all the women

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 2>he interacts with and what that looks like hit me.

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 2>And with Ellen, his wife, it's her you know, quote

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>unquote nagging, Although to be fair, the movie doesn't super

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 2>frame it that way. It is more just that she

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>is calling him out for his ridiculous behavior. But it

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.399
<v Speaker 2>also means like, yeah, she's not having any fun. None

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:29.400
<v Speaker 2>of the comedy is anything that she generates. Yeah, and

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't get to be you know, quirky or eccentric

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the way that Clark.

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Is, which sucks because I feel like it would you know, again,

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.359
<v Speaker 1>it would still be a boring movie, but it would

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 1>resolve a lot of the more obvious misogyny of this

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>movie if she was simply allowed to participate instead of

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 1>being relegated to reacting. Right.

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 2>For sure. Then you have his daughter, Audrey Juliette Lewis,

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.879
<v Speaker 2>who I don't think Clark ever interacts with one on one.

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 2>There are several scenes where he interacts with his son.

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>He's having rusty you know, help him with something or

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 2>just like talking to him about something, But Clark and

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Audrey never have like a one on one scene.

0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Again, it's this very conservative thing where I think we

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 1>see Audrey helping her mom cook. We see they have

0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a brief interaction in the kitchen, and then Russ is

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 1>outside helping his dad. It's again that like very rigid

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>gender family unit.

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Staff for sure. Yeah, Now with Clark and his mom,

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he also does not ever interact with her.

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 2>There are a few scenes where Clark will have like

0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:44.439
<v Speaker 2>a pretty significant emotional moment with his dad, especially there's

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>one toward the end where Clark's dad comes in to say, like, yeah,

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the holidays are hard, but you're handling this terribly, so

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>get your head on straight. Son.

0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Fathers and sons. Fathers and sons.

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>For sure. But Clark and his mom don't say a

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:02.839
<v Speaker 2>word to each other, or if they do, it's not

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 2>memorable enough that you'd notice.

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Which is it's fucking Diane lad And yeah, I think

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the most we get from her is like there's three

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.359
<v Speaker 1>different women who come again, it's just like the very

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 1>gendered reactions. Right when when Clark, you know, the house

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't light up the way he wanted it to, I

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 1>think it's Ellen Audrey and his mom all comfort him

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and are like it's okay, dad, it's all good. I

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>think Russ sort of does. But the like older men

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>are like Clark, you suck, You're alert, like there's just

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:42.280
<v Speaker 1>no one is stepping outside of stock gender roles according

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to their age and relationship to him, and yeah, yeah,

0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just so it's irritating, but it's also just so boring.

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>It's so boring.

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 1>There's no interesting choices made in the.

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Entire movie, not a single one. Yeah. Similarly, he interacts

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>with cousin Eddie a lot, but he bears acknowledges Eddie's

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:03.399
<v Speaker 2>wife Catherine.

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>She has to have like two lines of dialogue like, yeah,

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it's ridiculous. And the thing is they still go out

0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of their way because she's not a woman, she's a

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:12.799
<v Speaker 1>poor woman, so they still go out of the way

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to be like, to be clear, she's gross, she's gross,

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and we don't like her, but also you will not

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>hear her speaking. I think, like, honestly, the character, the

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:26.240
<v Speaker 1>poor character that gets the most characterization is his niece

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Ruby Sue. So yeah, she has the longest i think

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>interaction with him that a woman has in the whole movie.

0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Possibly, yeah, because there's that long scene where she's like,

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:42.720
<v Speaker 2>she's questioning the existence of Santa Claus because he didn't

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 2>bring her any gifts aka, her family can't afford to

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 2>buy them Christmas gifts, and it's implied that Clark will

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh gosh, how tragic. I'll get her gifts.

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll prove to her that the magic of Christmas is real.

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 2>But then again, as we mentioned, this is never paid

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.480
<v Speaker 2>off on. It's just a loose end. And it's like, well,

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:08.279
<v Speaker 2>then why spend that like five minute scene setting all

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.479
<v Speaker 2>of that up if you're not gonna pay it off

0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 2>John Hughes.

0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, like because the to that like that actor

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Ellen Hamilton Latson, she's adorable, and she also gets a

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>couple of jokes in too, where she's like swearing and

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be swearing, which I do think is like poverty

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>coded of like these kids are like lash key kids,

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:30.800
<v Speaker 1>they're not well behaved.

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Well. The other grammar too, like she's speaking in quote

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 2>unquote improper English, and it's right implied that like, oh yeah,

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.680
<v Speaker 2>poor people don't know how to use proper grammar.

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. I feel like the only women that are

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.479
<v Speaker 1>or women or girls that are allowed to have any

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>laugh lines because she does deliver it in a funny way.

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 1>The child actor the only two women that have laugh lines.

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's either because of their class status or their age,

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 1>where like bethany clear example of just ageous tropes top

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.799
<v Speaker 1>to bottom right with Ruby Sue classest tropes about the

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 1>lower class, and then Julia.

0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Louis Dink whoa Dinks.

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:18.959
<v Speaker 1>Is like another like upper class coated like that's what's

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>generating the comedy. Like none of them are just funny

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 1>because you can be. It's all like connected to some

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:30.000
<v Speaker 1>other aspect of their personhood that it comes from. Totally,

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 1>it's just again boring.

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Boring, right, So his interactions with Aunt Bethany, for example,

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>are him basically just like berating her for ageis reasons,

0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's characterized in a way that is extremely ageis

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 2>where she's oh so confused. Oh no, she wrapped up

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 2>her cat and a jello mold as if they're Christmas gifts.

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh she says the Pledge of Allegiance instead of saying

0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 2>grace at dinner. So just all these things and then

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 2>her husban and similarly is like played for ageist jokes

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 2>where he like doesn't know that he's on fire.

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Or like he doesn't know how fire works. A classic

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>ageis trope of forgetting how fire works.

0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't notice that his tupe fell off, that kind

0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. So yeah, but yeah, back to the point

0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>of how Clark interacts with women. It seems especially egregious

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 2>with Aunt Bethany, where he's just like, oh, look at

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 2>this old broad so annoying and.

0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Also very national lampoon coned. I think that with both

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of the elder fathers, there's when they're cutting through, like

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 1>where is everyone staying in the bed, both of the

0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>fathers are like one is like looking at like a

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>teen magazine, implied to be horny. The other is looking

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>at the ceiling at like a scantily clad poster of

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a woman in Russ's room, implied to be horny. So like,

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 1>even though quiet moments with them, they're like the same

0:58:57.120 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>way that Chevy Chase's character is like I'm horny behind

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:04.760
<v Speaker 1>my wife's back, and like a horny woman that is

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 1>like real does not appear in the entire movie. Because

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:12.880
<v Speaker 1>even with that moment with Mary the sales clerk, yes,

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, she is sort of uncomfortable with him,

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:20.120
<v Speaker 1>but then as the scene goes on, it almost feels

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 1>like the movie buys into Clark's delusional read of the scene,

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and by the end, she's like pulling her skirt up

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, look, there's no lines on my brepa

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 1>B And You're like, well, so it just doesn't matter,

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Like and I know we've talked about this with John

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Hughes before, but it's like under duress. He has written

0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:43.680
<v Speaker 1>women semi competently, but there's just entire movies, years decades

0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 1>where he just is like I don't feel like it.

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Not this time.

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay.

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Also to the to marry the sales clerk, he tells

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.760
<v Speaker 2>her first that his wife is dead, and then he's like,

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 2>oh no, she's alive, but we're divorced and she's long gone.

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Just the idea that like this lazy Joe man has

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:10.240
<v Speaker 2>a wife who's a ball in chain keeping him from

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:15.520
<v Speaker 2>being able to flirt with and kiss on hot younger women.

1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, which is like I know the trope this is referencing,

1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:22.080
<v Speaker 1>but like it's just not doing anything. Meanwhile, his wife

1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't even allowed to be interesting for forty five seconds,

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like it's just it's it's a bummer again, you get

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like with it, just to go back to Audrey for

1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a second, you get like a suggestion of a character

1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:38.800
<v Speaker 1>from her, like where you get yeah, where she's like,

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's again a stock character, but she's

1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:45.560
<v Speaker 1>like a moody, like eighties teen girl that like screw

1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:49.040
<v Speaker 1>my family. Like okay, that's a starting point. But it's

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 1>also a finishing point for this and it also kind

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:54.200
<v Speaker 1>of goes away after a while because she goes away

1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.440
<v Speaker 1>after a while because I guess we just don't care

1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:58.960
<v Speaker 1>about her, right, Yeah.

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.680
<v Speaker 2>And then the final person my list was his mother

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:07.600
<v Speaker 2>in law, Ellen's mom, and it's said that Ellen's parents

1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 2>don't like Clark. Clark doesn't really like them if he

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.560
<v Speaker 2>does have any interactions with his mother in law, who

1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to look up who she's played by. Also,

1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I was having a hard time. It took me, like

1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:23.200
<v Speaker 2>by the end of the second watch to be like, Oh,

1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.840
<v Speaker 2>this is who his parents are versus this is who

1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Ellen's parents are, because I could not really tell who

1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:33.760
<v Speaker 2>is who because they're so like kind of just just

1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:37.240
<v Speaker 2>like a blob of grandparents. To me, I was just like, yeah,

1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 2>do any of them have any distinguishing qualities besides one

1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:44.720
<v Speaker 2>of them having like orange hair. Oh, Doris Roberts plays

1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:46.080
<v Speaker 2>his mother in law.

1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, who's so iconic, And yeah, she was also fading

1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.440
<v Speaker 1>into the background for me, which you're like, that's certainly

1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:53.880
<v Speaker 1>not her fault, Like she's awesome.

1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she just wasn't given anything in the script yet.

1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.240
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, if he does have an interaction with her.

1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:04.680
<v Speaker 2>It's again brief and unmemorable, and I don't really know,

1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:09.760
<v Speaker 2>but they do have a pretty like antagonistic relationship because

1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:14.360
<v Speaker 2>in laws are so horrible. Another boring cliche choice.

1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I will say not to like give the movie any

1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.439
<v Speaker 1>unnecessary credit, but there is there is a little bit

1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of a button on the like Santa Israel thing, because

1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Ruby su does think that the little like the shooting

1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:31.720
<v Speaker 1>star is. He's like, that's the Christmas Star. So I

1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:33.800
<v Speaker 1>think that there is a little bit of a button

1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:38.080
<v Speaker 1>on that. Not enough, I no, no, I just there

1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 1>was an attempt. But again it was like going back

1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to the discussion of class. I mean cousin ed right,

1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that's his name, Eddie, Eddie whatever. It's implied that they

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<v Speaker 1>are poor through a fault of their own, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a very very common trope with these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of characters. Yeah, they're present essentially like Hillbilly's the mother

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<v Speaker 1>has no sense of autonomy or character. We get a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of information from cousin Eddie where it's implied

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<v Speaker 1>that he made some bad decisions that led to their

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<v Speaker 1>living in an RV as opposed to poverty is a

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<v Speaker 1>systemic issue they're implied to not smell good, They're implied

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<v Speaker 1>to like somehow not have an awareness of social cues.

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<v Speaker 1>They're implied to be entitled to be like freeloading off

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<v Speaker 1>of others. And even in that scene at Walmart with Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>Clark is clearly presented to be the better person, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also implied that cousin Eddie was expecting him to

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<v Speaker 1>do this and is going to take advantage of him

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, when he suggests like, well, could I maybe

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<v Speaker 1>get the kids some gifts? And Cousin Eddie's like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess I have the whole list right here,

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<v Speaker 1>and also I want this, and my wife was says,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's just like presenting, you know, poor people as

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<v Speaker 1>freeloaders who are poor as a result of their own carelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like some of the most pernicious UH

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<v Speaker 1>tropes around poverty that exist, and they're all in this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they're violent as well, with cousin Eddie kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>the boss.

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<v Speaker 2>They're delusional because there's a moment where Ellen and Clark

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about cousin Eddie being out of work and

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<v Speaker 2>she says something like, oh yeah, it's been seven years

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<v Speaker 2>since he's had a job. It's because he's holding out

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<v Speaker 2>for a management position, presumably one he wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get. But he's like so delusional to be holding

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<v Speaker 2>out for that for so.

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<v Speaker 1>Long, and again to like just heap misogyity on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It's not implied that they had even considered

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<v Speaker 1>that she would possibly work, because this movie weirdly takes

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<v Speaker 1>place in the late fifties. And yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like the way that they're costumed, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they talk, the way that they have is all just

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<v Speaker 1>like so heavy laid in with the recognizable stereotypes. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also like I think that there is like ableism encoded

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<v Speaker 1>within the ageism of the grandparent character. Yeah, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>also ableism towards the poor characters too, where there's like

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<v Speaker 1>this one off joke about how Ruby Sue used to

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<v Speaker 1>be cross eyed but then she had an accident, now

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<v Speaker 1>she's not, and just like lazy, shitty nonsense. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>this is like some of the most like lazy bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the barrel, clearly written by a white guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>never experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Poverty, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know, I like it less and less.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't even like it. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm completely neutral, and now I'm just like the sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>The more you interrogate it, the more you realize it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, as we said, the movie has criticisms of

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<v Speaker 2>rich people, but the Boss has this weird redemption arc

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<v Speaker 2>at the end where he magically realizes that capitalism is

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<v Speaker 2>bad and he shouldn't have withheld the bonus checks from

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<v Speaker 2>what seems like an already pretty cushy salary.

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<v Speaker 1>For Clark, right, which I get. It's like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to like be like, oh, he doesn't like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I guess the question of like who deserves

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<v Speaker 1>what is like always that's not an easy question to answer, Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they should have given out Christmas bonuses to their entire

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<v Speaker 1>but like you're saying, like there is a clear cutoff

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<v Speaker 1>for where justice should be served in terms of like

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<v Speaker 1>redistributing money. Certainly we wouldn't want that for cousin Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>or his family.

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<v Speaker 2>M mmm no, And the rich capitalist boss is like, oh, fooey,

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrong about withholding that, and I'm nice now

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<v Speaker 2>because again, rich capitalists always see the error of their

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<v Speaker 2>ways JK, JK.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a very neat solution. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's just it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And you're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the lesson we learned is nothing, and now they

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<v Speaker 1>have an expensive in ground pool and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>last movie from this like particular family unit. Oh so

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<v Speaker 1>this is effectively where their story ends. Is they get

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<v Speaker 1>a pool?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Good for them. There are other National Lampoon vacation movies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just focusing on a different family after this.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, yes, this is the last, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding is that this is the last one that

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, wait, there is no that's not true. There's

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<v Speaker 1>one in there's Vegas. Yeah, vacause like ten years after that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and okay, so no, there's there's there's one more there.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. It doesn't end at pool.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really have that much else to say about

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. Do you have anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't either. I would say, like, this is,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything, a movie to like fall asleep to at

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<v Speaker 1>your aunt's house. I guess, but I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>is just like I think, very dated and uh, for

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<v Speaker 1>my money at least profoundly boring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm already yawning about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just a waste of so many talented actors

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<v Speaker 1>of this day and spotlights. I think the two worst

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<v Speaker 1>people in the movie personally Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, we're just shoving all of these very

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<v Speaker 1>talented women out of the way to make way for

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<v Speaker 1>like two famously horrible men and live laugh love. This

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<v Speaker 1>movie does paradoxically pass the back to Little test a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. Yeah, but spiritually it doesn't. Like how

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<v Speaker 1>many nipples do you even like one one?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even give it that I really truly. It's

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<v Speaker 2>weird because it's not the most hateful movie we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>and not the most problematic, but it is still doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of very problematic things, and I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>have anything nice to say about it. I did like

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<v Speaker 2>the scene where the cute fluffy cat is released from

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<v Speaker 2>the box, not before it's violently shaken around by Chevy Chase,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows there's a cat inside and still shakes the

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<v Speaker 2>box several times.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a little bad, Like I don't mind a

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonish death in that way, but the box shaking bothered

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<v Speaker 1>me more than the cat launching through the floor. I

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<v Speaker 1>did think that was a little bit funny, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also thought the National Lampoon, if you don't buy this magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>will kill this dog with a little funny too.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they don't mind killing animals, because, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>cat burns to a crisp, it gets electrocuted and then

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<v Speaker 2>fries and burns up.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad. So I'll get the movie zo point five nipples

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<v Speaker 2>for I don't even know what, because what little we

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<v Speaker 2>get from the women in the movie, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy watching them on screen. That's the best I

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<v Speaker 2>can say for it. And I like the cat, so

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<v Speaker 2>half a nipple to all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>In the giving Christmas spirit, I'm gonna give it one

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<v Speaker 1>nipple because we do get some at least some physical

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<v Speaker 1>comedy from Julia Luis Dreyfuss. I love oh and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just nice to know that she went on to actually

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<v Speaker 1>get to play real roles. I'll give it one nipple,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna give it to miss Julia. And with that, folks,

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