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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn Beast

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Speaker 1: start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, a drum roll please? Okay, here we are at

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Speaker 2: the Bechdel Cast episode of Wait, the lights are not

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Speaker 2: the lights are not? Shoot? Oh no, I guess I

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Speaker 2: don't understand electricity.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Dante, and this is our show

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Speaker 2: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 2: the Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point for

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Speaker 2: a larger discussion about representation and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Ain't that the freaking truth? And here we are at

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Speaker 1: the end of the holiday season. I'll say it, we're

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Speaker 1: scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of holiday

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Speaker 1: classics at this point. I think next year we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to really figure out something something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like every year we kind of come

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Speaker 2: up on this, but I thought of a whole new

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Speaker 2: list of things that we haven't covered. We haven't done

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Speaker 2: the Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. Oh true.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that there's a bunch of like eighties

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've almost done Scrooged, like for eight

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Speaker 1: years in a row. Yeah, listeners, if there is a

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Speaker 1: holiday movie that we haven't covered, I would absolutely love

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Speaker 1: to know, because Netflix is just not churning out the

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Speaker 2: They're just not and it's a damn shame.

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Speaker 1: I hate to see that.

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Speaker 2: We did a poll recently for matrons to kind of

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Speaker 2: vote on what other holiday movie we would do this month,

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Speaker 2: and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation one, which is why we're

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Speaker 2: doing that today. But then there's also movies like Ghosts

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Speaker 1: I confuse it with my super ex Girlfriends, so I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have seen Ghost of Girlfriends Past and retained

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Speaker 2: very little of it, but that is a Christmas time movie.

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Speaker 2: Then you've got Black Christmas. There's the original from the seventies,

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Speaker 2: a Christmas time we forget.

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Speaker 2: And then we've also got The Long Kiss good Night,

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Speaker 2: which not enough people voted for, but it's a fun

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Speaker 2: action romp starring Geena Davis forgetting like she like doesn't

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Speaker 2: remember that she used to be a spy, like an assassin.

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Speaker 1: See this sounds good, it's awesome. I have not seen

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I was like you had me at Gena

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Speaker 1: Davis like say no more exactly.

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Speaker 2: And Samuel L. Jackson is in it, like hello, say.

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Speaker 1: No more again?

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Speaker 2: Like this rocks. So there's more. There's more movies to cover. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's no shortage.

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Speaker 1: There's more, but you know what I mean. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: just like what, Okay, what we're saying is this is

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Speaker 1: worry too much about the Bechdel test when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this movie. Oh, it doesn't technically pass in a

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Speaker 1: that's the episode. But if in case you're wondering. The

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test is a media metric created by queer cartoonist

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Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel often called the Bechdel Wallace Test because it

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Speaker 1: was in fact co created with Alison Bechdel and her

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Speaker 1: one off joke, in Bechdel's iconic comic collection Dikes To

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Speaker 1: Watch Out For. It was originally centered specifically on why

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Speaker 2: Right, because there's a bunch of movies specifically in this

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Speaker 1: They were making these things as late as twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: They're at home, it's a staycation.

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Speaker 1: It's a staycation, and it's a movie.

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Speaker 2: So I have seen this before, probably one time as

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I basically remembered nothing about this movie. I'm

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Speaker 1: Say, my entry point for chevy Chase was community, and therefore.

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Speaker 2: He sucks. So yeah, this movie wasn't really going to

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen this damn thing. I remember the second

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Speaker 1: Makes oh my god, yes, which is wild because I

433
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: think he like might be my favorite comedy director of

434
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: all time.

435
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: Why the hell haven't we done best in show waiting

436
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: for Guffman spinal Tap?

437
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: So look, I mean that's a Matrean theme waiting to happen.

438
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's I love that man. Anyways, Yes, so

439
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: he's he's joining my Royal Society of lest famous Siblings.

440
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the first meeting.

441
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a bummer.

442
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So then I think it's the next day.

443
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: Clark goes into the attic to hide some gifts, but

444
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: then Ellen's mom closes the attic door, not realizing that

445
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: he's in there, so he's trapped there while the family

446
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 2: leaves and goes Christmas shopping, And so he passes the

447
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: time watching old reels of family Christmases, which I.

448
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: Guess is a reference to the source material, which is

449
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: a short story about Christmas nineteen fifty nine. So that's

450
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: a fun Easter rag for boring people.

451
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, So he watches that and he's feeling

452
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: very sentimental because this guy freaking loves Christmas. Then the

453
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: decorative Christmas lights thing comes back, where there's this whole

454
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: thing where the lights still won't turn on, but then

455
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: someone finds a light switch and then they do turn on,

456
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: but there's all this confusion because no, no one really

457
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: knows the source of what's making the lights turn on. Also,

458
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: these bright lights going on and off are making the

459
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: mean dinky neighbors pratfall all over their house.

460
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: These dinks, these freaking dinks. I have nothing to say

461
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: about the dinks, I don't think. I just think that

462
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they're like, yeah, they're low hanging eighties

463
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: comedy fruit. And I guess they are kind of making

464
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: fun of married couples with no kids, but I feel

465
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: like they're more making fun of the class.

466
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: Like the snobbiness them not having kids, I think is

467
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: commentary on like what selfish adults they are for not,

468
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, pro creating and having a nuclear family the

469
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: way that you're supposed to in America kind of thing.

470
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I agree, But I also think it's like they're coded

471
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: as so like snobby, wealthy that I feel like it

472
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: almost like I don't know, for me, at least, it

473
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: like kind of leveled out in terms of like it's

474
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: ultimately saying not very much.

475
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Right, Well, this movie has an interesting approach to class

476
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: where the movie does not like rich people, which we

477
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: see with the Neighbors and with the Boss, but the

478
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: movie also hates poor people, and it deems the middle

479
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: class is the only acceptable socioeconomic class.

480
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: To be in, which is very jarring watching in a

481
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: modern context because I think to most people, the Griswolds,

482
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: they are like living what is now considered to be

483
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: a wealthy lifestyle. Their homeowners they have a ton that

484
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: they have room to host like ten people at their house.

485
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: You're like, they're living in what would be a multi

486
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: million dollar house.

487
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: Now they're about to have a swimming pool maybe like

488
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: there is he already put down the down payment, he.

489
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: Had the money for the down payment. Where I fit

490
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: now in you know, like we're not living in flush

491
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: times and so, you know, I'm sure this was unrealistic

492
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: for the time as well, but it's like, you know,

493
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: thirty almost thirty years on, like or more than thirty

494
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: years on, all the more unrealistic because you're like, well,

495
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: what second, you guys are rich, but they're sort of yeah,

496
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: presented as these middle class heroes in a way that

497
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure was more realistic at the time, but I'm

498
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: not totally assold that it would have been totally realistic

499
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine to be like, I'm just a

500
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: normal guy, and meanwhile, you have like a three floorhouse

501
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: that you own. Come on, come on, But yes, the

502
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: hatred of the poor is brutal.

503
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: You will talk more about it. Yeah, I just did

504
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: an inflation calculation for seventy five hundred dollars, which is

505
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: what he did for the down payment on the swimming pool.

506
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: So adjusted for inflation, seventy five hundred dollars in eighty

507
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: nine is almost twenty thousand dollars in twenty twenty four money.

508
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: So he just had twenty thousand lying around dollars.

509
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a working class hero, like you know.

510
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: And the thing that's frustrating is like, yes, this should

511
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: be a lifestyle that is accessible with the far more

512
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: people than it is, like you know, and even the

513
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: whole like I felt myself being mad at tiv Chase,

514
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: which it was so bisguy was like he wants this

515
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: bonus for this pool, and you're like, fuck you man,

516
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Like it's hard not But then you're also like, well,

517
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: everyone deserves a holiday bonus. I feel like we're also

518
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: like modern times pilled with like, I don't know, like

519
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I just feel inherently resentful looking at people from the

520
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: past having more than we will ever have in our lives.

521
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: But that's just modernity, baby.

522
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: That's late stage capitalism.

523
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I hope everyone I've never gotten a

524
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: holiday bons my damn life. I think Grant got a

525
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: thirty five dollars best Buy gift certificate last year. Oh

526
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: my god. Wow, night on the town. Let's go.

527
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: You can buy one DVD with that? Are DVD is

528
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: still a thing? Or kidding? What blu ray? All right? Anyway,

529
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: so there's the whole Christmas lights thing again. Then cousin

530
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Eddie played by Randy Quaid and his family show up

531
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: in their RV and everyone's like, oh wow, what a

532
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: nice surprise. Sure you can stay here, there's plenty of room.

533
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: And again, what's happening here is that this movie hates

534
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: poor people and thinks they are a joke. Yes, Then

535
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: the family goes sledding at night. Okay, yeah, right, what

536
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: sledding at night?

537
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: I've been sledding at night. It's not really patrarian. Yes,

538
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: I've been slutting at night.

539
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: It seems very dangerous.

540
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Well, we were doing it at I did at my

541
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: cousins with my cousins, but it was like at like

542
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: a designated area, Like it wasn't just like, yeah, that

543
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: would have been scary, but there was like I don't

544
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: know where this would have been, but there was like

545
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: a designated area for late night sliding where they had

546
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: like big floodlights and stuff, so you couldn't just like

547
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: soar into the abyss or whatever.

548
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Okay, there's doesn't seem to be lights at wherever they

549
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: are or not significant ones. So and then Clark greases

550
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: up his sled because he works for some It reminded

551
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: me of Eddie Murphy's job in Daddy Don's Care.

552
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: I wrote that down too, where I was like, why

553
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: so many cereal jobs?

554
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Men, these like comedy dads had like a food

555
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: processing breakfast cereal job.

556
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: He's making like corn flake lube or something like. It

557
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: was really weird. And he makes six figures at this

558
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: breakfast job. Wow. Okay, okay, thank you Jesus Christ.

559
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, so he greases up his sled with some weird

560
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: food product, and then he goes really really fast down

561
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: the hill and crashes, and that's just another one of

562
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: the little comedy bit that happens in the movie. Then Clark,

563
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: despite him not receiving his Christmas bonus, still he fantasizes

564
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: about the swimming pool that he's planning to buy. And

565
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: this fantasy includes the hot saleswoman from the store from

566
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: earlier taking off her swimsuit and diving into the pool.

567
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: And he's horny, horny, horny, so exhausting.

568
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I have to say, I was getting really scared. I

569
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: was getting fearful watching that scene that he was going

570
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: because his niece disturbs him, and I thought there was

571
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: gonna be some like horrible bonder do same because he

572
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: turns around because I was like, am I perverse for

573
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: having this anxiety? But I thought he's gonna be like covering,

574
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think that they were gonna show, you know,

575
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: but like I thought he's gonna be like cut, which

576
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: would have been really gross. They don't. He's flaccid as

577
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: he's having this sexual fancy and so whatever like that.

578
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: That's what I would prefer I guess I would prefer

579
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to it if not happened at all. But again, that's

580
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: a very National lampooon. I feel like that is almost

581
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: a weird like wink and knot to like what National

582
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Lampoon was famous for, which was misogynist jokes. Yeah right, yeah,

583
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: so she's just a nameless almost naked but not naked

584
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: enough to make it so that kids couldn't see the movie.

585
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: National Lampoon model essentially.

586
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: Also reminded me there's a similar swimming pool fantasy sequence

587
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: in Is It Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

588
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think that's Is that a fantasy though,

589
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: because I think that that.

590
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Was just like there's a part where and Phoebe Kate's, Yeah,

591
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: Phoebe Kate's, And then I think it's Judge Reinholder. I

592
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: forget which character is having the fantasy, but he's fantasizing

593
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: about her like being really sexy and like doing like

594
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: very like male gaze choreography. But then it cuts to

595
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: what she's actually doing, which is like choking on the

596
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: pool water or something.

597
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh right, yes, you see, like the the two

598
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: different versions of it. God, if I was Phoebe Kate's

599
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I would have gotten the fuck out of Hollywood too.

600
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Like Phoebe Kase who is one of the stars of

601
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: Gremlins too, my kid.

602
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't well, I just didn't think she would

603
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: come back. Look at that. Wow, I love I love

604
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: that expanded family. I like Kevin Klein, I like her,

605
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: and I love their NEPO daughter. I think I probably

606
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: brought this up when we covered Gremlins, but their neto

607
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: daughter was one of my favorite indie musicians in college.

608
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Frankie Cosmos.

609
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, is Phoebe Kate's married to Kevin Klein.

610
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has been since the eighties. What.

611
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea.

612
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: So hopefully that means they like each other. It's a

613
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: long time angers, but cross you know many such cases. Anyways, Yes,

614
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: I was reminded of that scene as well. It was

615
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: like if Phoebe Kate's didn't even have a character to

616
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: snap back to, that's what they're doing.

617
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, So he's having the day dream, which is

618
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: interrupted by cousin Eddie's young daughter named Ruby Sue, who

619
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: tells Clark that she is skeptical that Santa exists because

620
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: she didn't get any presents last year. And we know

621
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: this is probably because her parents are poor and they

622
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: couldn't afford to buy gifts, so Clark is determined to

623
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: prove to her that Santa does exist aka, presumably he

624
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: and Ellen will give gifts to cousin Eddie's two kids,

625
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: and a big moment is made of this, and yet

626
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: it never pays off. We never see those kids getting gifts. Nope,

627
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: we don't see Clark shopping for the gifts. Nothing.

628
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: We're just told I feel like again, like this, Vivie

629
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: tells us that Clark is a good guy a lot

630
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and never really shows us.

631
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: There's no evidence on screen.

632
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: No.

633
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So cousin Eddie meanwhile is dumping his sewage from

634
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: his RV into the storm drain and that's going to

635
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: pay off. Weird, just unfunny way, but that's happening day.

636
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Then some more relatives show up. This is Aunt Bethany

637
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: and Uncle Lewis, and there's a lot of jokes to

638
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: the effect of old people are so.

639
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Clueless, and I'm laughing.

640
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: And that's those characters.

641
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm laughing already, yeah.

642
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And now it's Christmas Eve and everyone sits

643
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: down for a big family dinner, but it's a disaster.

644
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: The turkey is disgusting. Aunt Bethany's cat and the Christmas

645
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: tree get burnt to a crisp because oh yeah, this

646
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: movie thinks that animal abuse is hilarious as well.

647
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: And even more to the point, I mean, because we

648
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Speaker 1: were just talking about this in our eight Crazy Nights episode.

649
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Speaker 1: Like then, old people are ridiculous, which is really frustrating

650
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: given the like prestige of.

651
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: The actors they have.

652
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: Cassidy's roles, I did a little digging there. Like Aunt

653
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Bethany is played by actress named May Questelle. This is

654
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: her last film appearance. She's the original voice of Betty

655
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Boop in Olive Oil. She's a bit of a legend.

656
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: Doris Roberts, who most people will know from Everybody Loves Raymond,

657
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: isn't it. Diane Ladd, who's literally in Chinatown. She has

658
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: like won a shitload of awards, like famous prestige actor,

659
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: like just all of these famous actors, and then they're like, okay,

660
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: so here's the assignment. You're old, and you're annoying, and

661
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: you're just like no respect, no respect, particularly because like

662
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: Diane Ladd is like in her early fifties when this

663
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: movie comes out, and they're already treating her like she's

664
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: a thousand years old.

665
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Does she play one of the grandparents?

666
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: She plays chevy Chase's mother. Oh okay, while being let's see,

667
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: while being less than ten years older eight years older

668
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: than chevy Chase playing his mother. I just like the

669
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: hatred for women knows no bounds anyways.

670
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So all this chaos ensues at the family dinner,

671
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: and then things seem like they're going to turn around

672
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: when Clark finally receives what he thinks is his holiday

673
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: bonus check, but instead it's like a Jelly of the

674
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: Month club. So he throws a fit because now he

675
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: can't afford the swimming pool, and he says that all

676
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: he wants for Christmas is for someone to bring him

677
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: his boss so he can punch him or something. I

678
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: don't know. I was like tuning out during this long

679
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: tirade he's going on.

680
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Cousin Eddie is like, I'm poor, so I can't detect nuance.

681
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: So seriously, so he leaves and goes to kidnap the boss. Meanwhile, Clark,

682
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: who is still acting berserk, goes outside and cuts down

683
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: a new tree from the yard of their dinky neighbors.

684
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 2: But oh no, there's a squirrel in the tree and

685
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: it's running around the house and terrorizing the family.

686
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: There's a snake in my boot, more like there's a

687
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: squirrel in my tree exactly. I think this squirrel part

688
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of woke me back up a little bit. I

689
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: do like a good Rodent chase, uh huh. And then

690
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: they lost me again. But for a second, I was like, oh,

691
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: squirrel fun.

692
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: That reminded me of the scene in Monty Python The

693
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Holy Grail where that like killer Bunny is just sort

694
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: of like flying horizontally across space.

695
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: Like furious Rodent. I'm laughing. I'm laughing.

696
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: It's funny.

697
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: It's good.

698
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: I like Rodent movies, Rattatui, Ratchatowing.

699
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is I like Rattatui and Rattatowing.

700
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: Those are movies that I like. And so the squirrel

701
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: worked for me.

702
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

703
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: There is a great wait. I feel like we've talked

704
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: about you continue I need I'm thinking about Rodents for

705
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: a second.

706
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: Okay, we should do Rodent tober Well.

707
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: Okay, because I was looking for I know, I bring

708
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: him up all the time. But Mike's Mike, one of

709
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: my favorite YouTubers. Who made an iconic video called the

710
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: Animated Rodent Agenda of two thousand and six and two

711
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: thousand and seven because there was flushed away over the Hedge,

712
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: Alvin and the Chipmunks and Ratatui back to back to

713
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: back to back, all Rodent centric movies that all did

714
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: well in the space of two years.

715
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: Wild and why is that? It makes you think?

716
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Anyways, Rodent tober is well within our reach. Does anyone

717
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: want that?

718
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: Thoughts too bad? We're doing it anyway.

719
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we're doing it. Cut print done anyway.

720
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: Okay. So there's the squirrel and Clark eventually gets the

721
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: squirrel out of the house, but everyone is just like

722
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: freaked out, mostly by Clark's behavior and the various tie

723
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: raids he's gone on. Yeah, so they try to leave,

724
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: but Clark demands that they all stay, and then cousin

725
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: Eddie shows back up with Clark's boss, who Eddie has

726
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: kidnapped as per Clark's wish earlier, and Clark calls out

727
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: his boss for withholding bonus checks and being a greedy prick,

728
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: and his boss is like, oh, damn, you're right. I

729
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: guess capitalism is bad, and he like has this weird

730
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: redemption and then a bunch of cops show up because

731
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: of this abduction, but the boss is like, no, no, no,

732
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: it's fine, everything's fine. I learned my lesson.

733
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: Classic rich guy, classic rich guy.

734
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, rich people are always regretting exploiting the labor

735
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: famously of people in the classes below them.

736
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: And then he tells his wife, who shows up, who

737
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: I was, Like, I recognize her from something. And what

738
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I recognize her from is she was on a Star

739
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: Truk show and she's own Star Trek tng in a

740
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: small part a few times.

741
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Very nice. Yeah, Okay, So then they go outside because

742
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: they spot a shooting star and Clark is like, it's

743
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: the Christmas Star, except it's actually something to do with

744
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: the gas that was created by the raw sewage that

745
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: cousin Eddie dumped down the storm drain and then there's

746
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: a big explosion and the family's like, ha ha ha,

747
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: what a wacky Christmas.

748
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: Now this is like the second sewage plot point in

749
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: a holiday movie we've covered this week on the show

750
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: beauh Yeah. Crazy Nights also has a big sewage Like, guys, come.

751
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: On, let's not have shit.

752
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, poo poo joke. Can be funny, but neither

753
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: of these are.

754
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: No.

755
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: But thankfully that's the end of the movie.

756
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: That is the end. So let's take a quick break

757
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: and we'll come back to discuss.

758
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back. I think I kind of said everything

759
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: I already had to about National Lampoon magazine, but I

760
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: did just want to touch on, like if you're not

761
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: familiar with now Lampoon or why it's called these. It

762
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: was a humor humor magazine that existed from nineteen seventy

763
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety eight. It was very popular. I think

764
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: it like kind of peaked in the late seventies into

765
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: the eighties when these movies were coming out. I remember

766
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: that my dad had a copy of it. I think

767
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: one of the funny I mean, but all of the

768
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever seen that if you don't

769
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: buy this magazine, will kill this dog cover of National Lampoo.

770
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

771
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: I do think it is quite funny. My dad used

772
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: to have a copy of the Yeah it is you know,

773
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: it's edge lord shit. You know, it's late twentieth century

774
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: edge lordism, and it is a dog with a gun

775
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: to its head. It's photoshopped. If you don't buy this

776
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: magazine will kill this dog and I'm laughing. However, most

777
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: of the things in National Lampoon, I would not be laughing.

778
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: I think it's whatever an extremely mixed bag. But there

779
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: were some like famous comedy writers that did more surreal, funny,

780
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: actually funny stuff that was in there, but there was

781
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: plenty of stuff that wasn't. It was pretty notorious for

782
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: having a lot of casual racism, and it was all

783
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: but branded as being like overtly misogynist, where many of

784
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: the covers are like there's like popless women on the covers.

785
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: The jokes are often exploitative and fucked up. So that's

786
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: the legacy of the magazine, and so that's very much

787
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: obviously the playbook that the NLU is pulling from, And

788
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I would guess that this movie is probably on the

789
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: lower end of that as opposed to I mean, I

790
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen Animal House. I'm sure we'll have to get

791
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: around to it someday, someday, but I think that like

792
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: these are sort of like less leaning into that, and

793
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: it's still pretty bad. So I just wanted to say.

794
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, Yeah, my guess is that they wanted to

795
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: appeal to a wider demographic and so they had to

796
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: make it like more family friendly.

797
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I think this is just like their family

798
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: the family branding of a very dirty magazine. And then

799
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: they are like, or you know, if you.

800
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: Just want a night out with the books, you can

801
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: go see you.

802
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: Know what, Animal House or Van Wilder whatever the fuck?

803
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah right, but yeah, this one is like a little

804
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: more tame, but it's still there's still plenty, plenty plenty

805
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: to talk about. Where would you like to start, kay them?

806
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I would just say that the opening sequence

807
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: of this movie pretty well sets the tone for all

808
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 2: the things we're going to see throughout the movie, because

809
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: it's a father who is dragging his family into this

810
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: bad idea that he has. Like you said, it's like

811
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: he's doing the thing that no one wants and no

812
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: one asked for. But he's like, well, I'm the man

813
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: of the family, so everyone needs to listen to me,

814
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: and I'm in control, and what I say goes. So

815
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: he's taking his family to go into the wilderness to

816
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: dig up an enormous, comically large Christmas tree. On the way,

817
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: he gets into a like road rage dick measuring contest

818
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: with people who are like very poverty coded, and it's

819
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: another like, look at these poor people, aren't they horrible?

820
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: They're out to get him? Yeah, yeah, it is very

821
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: like you're saying a masculine dick measuring contest. I mean,

822
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: most of the setups here and I know this is

823
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: very intentionally done, is like, look at how ridiculous Clark is.

824
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like look how misguided. Like the thing that's

825
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: tricky is like I don't think we're supposed to think

826
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: he's right much of the time, but we are supposed

827
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: to always like him and write what would make this

828
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: whole situation so much easier to swallow? And it wouldn't

829
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: resolve every problem with the movie certainly, But if like

830
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: it was a married couple doing this, like if it

831
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: was a clueless married couple as opposed to it's just

832
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: like so clear that Beverly DiAngelo, who again is way

833
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: too talented to be in these movies, like, is never

834
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: going to get a laugh line. She's going to be

835
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: the straight person in every single scene. She's going to

836
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: be heavily gender coded. Like it sucks because you get

837
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly probably just because Julia Louis Drivius

838
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: is cast in that role, but like that's the only

839
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: straight couple where you really see the woman in the

840
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: couple get precedence in terms of getting the jokes and

841
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: getting the laughlines, because the movie is just like it's

842
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: Beverly D'Angelo is just a like reflection board to prioritize

843
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: Clark's feelings. You know, whatever Clark wants, she has to

844
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion to do, even to the point

845
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: that like at the end it really bummed me out

846
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: and felt very again telling of like how conservative a

847
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: household this is that when you know, first of all,

848
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: we're not really it's not indicated that Ellen works. It

849
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: seems like she's a day at home mom, which certainly

850
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: happened in the eighties, but does feel more late fifties

851
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: than late eighties. But that like when she finds out

852
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: that Clark has put down the equivalent of twenty thousand

853
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: dollars today on something without talking to her, right, like

854
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: she has no reaction to that, and like it's just

855
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: like goes to show how clearly unequal this like household

856
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: is where it's like, oh my god, like my mom

857
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: would have just, i don't.

858
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: Know, blew a gasket, Like yeah.

859
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would have run over him with the car,

860
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: like if one parent. But I feel like it's implied like, well,

861
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: he's the breadwinner, so he gets to make all financial decisions,

862
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: and you know, like work in the home, it has

863
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: no value, and you know, homemakers just have to get

864
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: in line. You know, just all these very like traditional

865
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: conservative values that these movies sort of embody.

866
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: Right, So she has no reaction to learning that her

867
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: husband just spent an enormous sum of money without consulting her.

868
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: She does have other reactions throughout the movie, but it's

869
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: always just like Clark, Oh, come on, stop that, stop it.

870
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: And yeah, like her whole character is just like, oh my,

871
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: that's my husband. He's annoying and I hate him, but

872
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: I love him, but he's always doing something and I'm

873
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: always nagging him.

874
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's like and thankfully she's not like

875
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: hyper like she's certainly not even in the top fifty

876
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: percentile of naggiest mother characters. True scene, she is, like,

877
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: she's a very likable character. It's just that we don't

878
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: get anything for her. She doesn't really get to be funny.

879
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: She does, like you're saying, like push against Clark very lightly.

880
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, but he always overrides her

881
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: where She's like, I don't know, do we really want

882
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 1: to have like our entire family stay here? And he's

883
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: like yes, and then does nothing to contribute. It's also

884
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: heavily implied that, like it's okay that Clark is having

885
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: these horny fantasies about the woman who plays in the

886
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: store clerk. I guess her name is Mary, and she's

887
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: played by a model named Nicolette Scorsese, but not related

888
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: to Wow, not of those scarseces Because I was gonna

889
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: say that would be a wild I.

890
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, is she the less famous sibling? And

891
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: then she could join the club your club if she

892
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: was the less famous sibling of Martin.

893
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: No, have you seen Caitlyn Martin Scorsese's like TikTok collaborations

894
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: with his gen Z daughter. No, Oh my god, Martin

895
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Scarcese has like a twenty five year old daughter named Francesca,

896
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: and she has like I'll send them to you, this

897
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: like series of very funny, very sweet tiktoks of her

898
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: just like talking to her dad about like she had

899
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: him like live comment on her doing a like makeup

900
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: get Ready with Me video and he's like trying to

901
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: keep up. He's like, okay, frand Tusks putting on some

902
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: rouge and like he's trying to narrate it, and it's

903
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: so Yeah, Francesca Scorsese is my my NEPO baby of choice.

904
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: She's very funny.

905
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: That's great. I love the And I don't think we've

906
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: brought this up on the podcast before, but there's that

907
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: clip that's been circulating around the internet. Ever heard of

908
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: it of al Pacino doing an interview and his phone

909
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: has a Shrek case on it.

910
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: Jendsey's daughter too, Yeah, and.

911
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: The interviewers like, why do you have Shrek on your phone?

912
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: And like al Pacino tells this like very weirdly constructed

913
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: story about how his daughter like took his phone, put

914
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: a Shrek case on his phone and then gave it back.

915
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: And then the interviewers like, oh, so that's why you

916
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: shrek it or something like that. He uses Shrek as

917
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: a verb. It's incredible.

918
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: He al Pacino is cracking up too. He's like he

919
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: loves it. He noticed who would be Okay, I watched it,

920
00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: who would be expecting Shrek? Who that's mine? He's so

921
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: protective of his Shrek Phone case. Who would be extracting?

922
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: Who would be extracting?

923
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh that's mine. We have to show that at the

924
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: Shrek Tannex shows.

925
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: Another reason to come to our shows. Listeners.

926
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she came back and she had this

927
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: on it. She said it's Shrek Dad. I said, Shrek.

928
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

929
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Okay, babe, I'll hold on to it. That's all story

930
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: I got.

931
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Awesome.

932
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: It must be so weird having a very old dad.

933
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

934
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: But anyways, good for them for supporting their gen Z

935
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: daughters and their various pranks. Anyways, Nicolet Scorsese, I just

936
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: wanted to like shout her out because I feel.

937
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: Like she's just done no justice in this for sure.

938
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: Anyways, we were talking about we were talking about Ellen's

939
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: yes before we got distracted by the Shrek Phone case.

940
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: It's a part of a longer conversation about just the

941
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: way that Clark interacts with women in general, because I

942
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: kind of just made a list of all the women

943
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: he interacts with and what that looks like hit me.

944
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: And with Ellen, his wife, it's her you know, quote

945
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: unquote nagging, Although to be fair, the movie doesn't super

946
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: frame it that way. It is more just that she

947
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: is calling him out for his ridiculous behavior. But it

948
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: also means like, yeah, she's not having any fun. None

949
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: of the comedy is anything that she generates. Yeah, and

950
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: she doesn't get to be you know, quirky or eccentric

951
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: the way that Clark.

952
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 1: Is, which sucks because I feel like it would you know, again,

953
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: it would still be a boring movie, but it would

954
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: resolve a lot of the more obvious misogyny of this

955
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: movie if she was simply allowed to participate instead of

956
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: being relegated to reacting. Right.

957
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: For sure. Then you have his daughter, Audrey Juliette Lewis,

958
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: who I don't think Clark ever interacts with one on one.

959
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: There are several scenes where he interacts with his son.

960
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: He's having rusty you know, help him with something or

961
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: just like talking to him about something, But Clark and

962
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: Audrey never have like a one on one scene.

963
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: Again, it's this very conservative thing where I think we

964
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: see Audrey helping her mom cook. We see they have

965
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a brief interaction in the kitchen, and then Russ is

966
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: outside helping his dad. It's again that like very rigid

967
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: gender family unit.

968
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: Staff for sure. Yeah, Now with Clark and his mom,

969
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: I think he also does not ever interact with her.

970
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: There are a few scenes where Clark will have like

971
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: a pretty significant emotional moment with his dad, especially there's

972
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: one toward the end where Clark's dad comes in to say, like, yeah,

973
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: the holidays are hard, but you're handling this terribly, so

974
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: get your head on straight. Son.

975
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: Fathers and sons. Fathers and sons.

976
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: For sure. But Clark and his mom don't say a

977
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: word to each other, or if they do, it's not

978
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: memorable enough that you'd notice.

979
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Which is it's fucking Diane lad And yeah, I think

980
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: the most we get from her is like there's three

981
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: different women who come again, it's just like the very

982
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: gendered reactions. Right when when Clark, you know, the house

983
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: doesn't light up the way he wanted it to, I

984
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: think it's Ellen Audrey and his mom all comfort him

985
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and are like it's okay, dad, it's all good. I

986
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: think Russ sort of does. But the like older men

987
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: are like Clark, you suck, You're alert, like there's just

988
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: no one is stepping outside of stock gender roles according

989
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: to their age and relationship to him, and yeah, yeah,

990
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: it's just so it's irritating, but it's also just so boring.

991
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: It's so boring.

992
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: There's no interesting choices made in the.

993
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: Entire movie, not a single one. Yeah. Similarly, he interacts

994
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 2: with cousin Eddie a lot, but he bears acknowledges Eddie's

995
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: wife Catherine.

996
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: She has to have like two lines of dialogue like, yeah,

997
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. And the thing is they still go out

998
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: of their way because she's not a woman, she's a

999
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: poor woman, so they still go out of the way

1000
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: to be like, to be clear, she's gross, she's gross,

1001
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: and we don't like her, but also you will not

1002
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: hear her speaking. I think, like, honestly, the character, the

1003
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: poor character that gets the most characterization is his niece

1004
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Ruby Sue. So yeah, she has the longest i think

1005
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: interaction with him that a woman has in the whole movie.

1006
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: Possibly, yeah, because there's that long scene where she's like,

1007
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: she's questioning the existence of Santa Claus because he didn't

1008
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: bring her any gifts aka, her family can't afford to

1009
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: buy them Christmas gifts, and it's implied that Clark will

1010
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: be like, oh gosh, how tragic. I'll get her gifts.

1011
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: I'll prove to her that the magic of Christmas is real.

1012
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: But then again, as we mentioned, this is never paid

1013
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: off on. It's just a loose end. And it's like, well,

1014
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: then why spend that like five minute scene setting all

1015
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 2: of that up if you're not gonna pay it off

1016
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: John Hughes.

1017
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I know, like because the to that like that actor

1018
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: Ellen Hamilton Latson, she's adorable, and she also gets a

1019
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: couple of jokes in too, where she's like swearing and

1020
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't be swearing, which I do think is like poverty

1021
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: coded of like these kids are like lash key kids,

1022
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: they're not well behaved.

1023
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: Well. The other grammar too, like she's speaking in quote

1024
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: unquote improper English, and it's right implied that like, oh yeah,

1025
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: poor people don't know how to use proper grammar.

1026
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I feel like the only women that are

1027
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: or women or girls that are allowed to have any

1028
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: laugh lines because she does deliver it in a funny way.

1029
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: The child actor the only two women that have laugh lines.

1030
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: It's either because of their class status or their age,

1031
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: where like bethany clear example of just ageous tropes top

1032
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: to bottom right with Ruby Sue classest tropes about the

1033
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: lower class, and then Julia.

1034
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: Louis Dink whoa Dinks.

1035
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 1: Is like another like upper class coated like that's what's

1036
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: generating the comedy. Like none of them are just funny

1037
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: because you can be. It's all like connected to some

1038
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: other aspect of their personhood that it comes from. Totally,

1039
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: it's just again boring.

1040
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: Boring, right, So his interactions with Aunt Bethany, for example,

1041
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: are him basically just like berating her for ageis reasons,

1042
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: and she's characterized in a way that is extremely ageis

1043
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: where she's oh so confused. Oh no, she wrapped up

1044
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: her cat and a jello mold as if they're Christmas gifts.

1045
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: Oh she says the Pledge of Allegiance instead of saying

1046
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: grace at dinner. So just all these things and then

1047
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: her husban and similarly is like played for ageist jokes

1048
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: where he like doesn't know that he's on fire.

1049
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Or like he doesn't know how fire works. A classic

1050
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: ageis trope of forgetting how fire works.

1051
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't notice that his tupe fell off, that kind

1052
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: of stuff. So yeah, but yeah, back to the point

1053
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: of how Clark interacts with women. It seems especially egregious

1054
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: with Aunt Bethany, where he's just like, oh, look at

1055
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: this old broad so annoying and.

1056
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: Also very national lampoon coned. I think that with both

1057
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: of the elder fathers, there's when they're cutting through, like

1058
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: where is everyone staying in the bed, both of the

1059
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: fathers are like one is like looking at like a

1060
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: teen magazine, implied to be horny. The other is looking

1061
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: at the ceiling at like a scantily clad poster of

1062
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: a woman in Russ's room, implied to be horny. So like,

1063
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: even though quiet moments with them, they're like the same

1064
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: way that Chevy Chase's character is like I'm horny behind

1065
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: my wife's back, and like a horny woman that is

1066
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: like real does not appear in the entire movie. Because

1067
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: even with that moment with Mary the sales clerk, yes,

1068
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: at the beginning, she is sort of uncomfortable with him,

1069
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: but then as the scene goes on, it almost feels

1070
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: like the movie buys into Clark's delusional read of the scene,

1071
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: and by the end, she's like pulling her skirt up

1072
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: and she's like, look, there's no lines on my brepa

1073
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: B And You're like, well, so it just doesn't matter,

1074
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Speaker 1: Like and I know we've talked about this with John

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00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: Hughes before, but it's like under duress. He has written

1076
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: women semi competently, but there's just entire movies, years decades

1077
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: where he just is like I don't feel like it.

1078
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: Not this time.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

1080
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Also to the to marry the sales clerk, he tells

1081
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: her first that his wife is dead, and then he's like,

1082
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: oh no, she's alive, but we're divorced and she's long gone.

1083
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Speaker 2: Just the idea that like this lazy Joe man has

1084
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: a wife who's a ball in chain keeping him from

1085
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: being able to flirt with and kiss on hot younger women.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is like I know the trope this is referencing,

1087
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: but like it's just not doing anything. Meanwhile, his wife

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: isn't even allowed to be interesting for forty five seconds,

1089
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: like it's just it's it's a bummer again, you get

1090
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: like with it, just to go back to Audrey for

1091
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: a second, you get like a suggestion of a character

1092
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: from her, like where you get yeah, where she's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's again a stock character, but she's

1094
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: like a moody, like eighties teen girl that like screw

1095
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: my family. Like okay, that's a starting point. But it's

1096
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: also a finishing point for this and it also kind

1097
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: of goes away after a while because she goes away

1098
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: after a while because I guess we just don't care

1099
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Speaker 1: about her, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then the final person my list was his mother

1101
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: in law, Ellen's mom, and it's said that Ellen's parents

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: don't like Clark. Clark doesn't really like them if he

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: does have any interactions with his mother in law, who

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Speaker 2: I forgot to look up who she's played by. Also,

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: I was having a hard time. It took me, like

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: by the end of the second watch to be like, Oh,

1107
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: this is who his parents are versus this is who

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: Ellen's parents are, because I could not really tell who

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: is who because they're so like kind of just just

1110
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: like a blob of grandparents. To me, I was just like, yeah,

1111
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: do any of them have any distinguishing qualities besides one

1112
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: of them having like orange hair. Oh, Doris Roberts plays

1113
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: his mother in law.

1114
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: Right, who's so iconic, And yeah, she was also fading

1115
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: into the background for me, which you're like, that's certainly

1116
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: not her fault, Like she's awesome.

1117
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just wasn't given anything in the script yet.

1118
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, if he does have an interaction with her.

1119
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: It's again brief and unmemorable, and I don't really know,

1120
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: but they do have a pretty like antagonistic relationship because

1121
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: in laws are so horrible. Another boring cliche choice.

1122
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: I will say not to like give the movie any

1123
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: unnecessary credit, but there is there is a little bit

1124
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: of a button on the like Santa Israel thing, because

1125
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Ruby su does think that the little like the shooting

1126
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: star is. He's like, that's the Christmas Star. So I

1127
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: think that there is a little bit of a button

1128
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: on that. Not enough, I no, no, I just there

1129
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: was an attempt. But again it was like going back

1130
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: to the discussion of class. I mean cousin ed right,

1131
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: that's his name, Eddie, Eddie whatever. It's implied that they

1132
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: are poor through a fault of their own, which I

1133
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: think is a very very common trope with these kinds

1134
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: of characters. Yeah, they're present essentially like Hillbilly's the mother

1135
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: has no sense of autonomy or character. We get a

1136
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: little bit of information from cousin Eddie where it's implied

1137
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: that he made some bad decisions that led to their

1138
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: living in an RV as opposed to poverty is a

1139
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: systemic issue they're implied to not smell good, They're implied

1140
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: to like somehow not have an awareness of social cues.

1141
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: They're implied to be entitled to be like freeloading off

1142
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: of others. And even in that scene at Walmart with Clark,

1143
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Clark is clearly presented to be the better person, and

1144
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: it's also implied that cousin Eddie was expecting him to

1145
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 1: do this and is going to take advantage of him

1146
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: for sure, when he suggests like, well, could I maybe

1147
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: get the kids some gifts? And Cousin Eddie's like, oh yeah,

1148
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I have the whole list right here,

1149
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: and also I want this, and my wife was says,

1150
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: so it's just like presenting, you know, poor people as

1151
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: freeloaders who are poor as a result of their own carelessness.

1152
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: And it's just like some of the most pernicious UH

1153
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: tropes around poverty that exist, and they're all in this movie,

1154
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: and that they're violent as well, with cousin Eddie kidnapping

1155
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: the boss.

1156
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: They're delusional because there's a moment where Ellen and Clark

1157
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: are talking about cousin Eddie being out of work and

1158
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: she says something like, oh yeah, it's been seven years

1159
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: since he's had a job. It's because he's holding out

1160
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: for a management position, presumably one he wouldn't be able

1161
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: to get. But he's like so delusional to be holding

1162
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: out for that for so.

1163
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: Long, and again to like just heap misogyity on top

1164
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: of that. It's not implied that they had even considered

1165
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: that she would possibly work, because this movie weirdly takes

1166
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: place in the late fifties. And yeah, I mean it's

1167
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: just like the way that they're costumed, the way that

1168
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: they talk, the way that they have is all just

1169
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: like so heavy laid in with the recognizable stereotypes. They're

1170
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: also like I think that there is like ableism encoded

1171
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: within the ageism of the grandparent character. Yeah, but there's

1172
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: also ableism towards the poor characters too, where there's like

1173
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: this one off joke about how Ruby Sue used to

1174
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: be cross eyed but then she had an accident, now

1175
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: she's not, and just like lazy, shitty nonsense. It's just

1176
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: this is like some of the most like lazy bottom

1177
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: of the barrel, clearly written by a white guy who's

1178
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 1: never experienced.

1179
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: Poverty, for sure.

1180
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I like it less and less.

1181
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even like it. I was just like,

1182
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm completely neutral, and now I'm just like the sucks.

1183
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: The more you interrogate it, the more you realize it's bad.

1184
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1185
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: And again, as we said, the movie has criticisms of

1186
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: rich people, but the Boss has this weird redemption arc

1187
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: at the end where he magically realizes that capitalism is

1188
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: bad and he shouldn't have withheld the bonus checks from

1189
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: what seems like an already pretty cushy salary.

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: For Clark, right, which I get. It's like I don't

1191
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: want to like be like, oh, he doesn't like I

1192
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess the question of like who deserves

1193
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: what is like always that's not an easy question to answer, Like, yes,

1194
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: they should have given out Christmas bonuses to their entire

1195
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: but like you're saying, like there is a clear cutoff

1196
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: for where justice should be served in terms of like

1197
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: redistributing money. Certainly we wouldn't want that for cousin Eddie

1198
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: or his family.

1199
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Speaker 2: M mmm no, And the rich capitalist boss is like, oh, fooey,

1200
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 2: I was wrong about withholding that, and I'm nice now

1201
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: because again, rich capitalists always see the error of their

1202
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 2: ways JK, JK.

1203
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's a very neat solution. But yeah, I

1204
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: mean it's just it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And you're like, okay,

1205
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: so the lesson we learned is nothing, and now they

1206
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: have an expensive in ground pool and this is the

1207
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: last movie from this like particular family unit. Oh so

1208
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: this is effectively where their story ends. Is they get

1209
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: a pool?

1210
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: Wow? Good for them. There are other National Lampoon vacation movies.

1211
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: It's just focusing on a different family after this.

1212
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: I guess, yes, this is the last, or at least

1213
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: my understanding is that this is the last one that

1214
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, there is no that's not true. There's

1215
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: one in there's Vegas. Yeah, vacause like ten years after that. Yeah,

1216
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: and okay, so no, there's there's there's one more there.

1217
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Don't worry. It doesn't end at pool.

1218
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't really have that much else to say about

1219
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: this movie. Do you have anything else?

1220
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: I really don't either. I would say, like, this is,

1221
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: if anything, a movie to like fall asleep to at

1222
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: your aunt's house. I guess, but I don't know. It

1223
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: is just like I think, very dated and uh, for

1224
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: my money at least profoundly boring.

1225
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm already yawning about it.

1226
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: And it's just a waste of so many talented actors

1227
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: of this day and spotlights. I think the two worst

1228
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: people in the movie personally Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid.

1229
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: And you're like, we're just shoving all of these very

1230
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: talented women out of the way to make way for

1231
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: like two famously horrible men and live laugh love. This

1232
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: movie does paradoxically pass the back to Little test a

1233
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, but spiritually it doesn't. Like how

1234
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: many nipples do you even like one one?

1235
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even give it that I really truly. It's

1236
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: weird because it's not the most hateful movie we've seen

1237
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: and not the most problematic, but it is still doing

1238
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: a lot of very problematic things, and I don't really

1239
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: have anything nice to say about it. I did like

1240
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: the scene where the cute fluffy cat is released from

1241
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: the box, not before it's violently shaken around by Chevy Chase,

1242
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: who knows there's a cat inside and still shakes the

1243
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,440
Speaker 2: box several times.

1244
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: That was a little bad, Like I don't mind a

1245
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: cartoonish death in that way, but the box shaking bothered

1246
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: me more than the cat launching through the floor. I

1247
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: did think that was a little bit funny, but I

1248
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: also thought the National Lampoon, if you don't buy this magazine,

1249
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: will kill this dog with a little funny too.

1250
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: I guess they don't mind killing animals, because, yeah, the

1251
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: cat burns to a crisp, it gets electrocuted and then

1252
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: fries and burns up.

1253
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: Something like that.

1254
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: Sad. So I'll get the movie zo point five nipples

1255
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 2: for I don't even know what, because what little we

1256
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: get from the women in the movie, I don't know.

1257
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching them on screen. That's the best I

1258
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: can say for it. And I like the cat, so

1259
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 2: half a nipple to all of them.

1260
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: In the giving Christmas spirit, I'm gonna give it one

1261
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: nipple because we do get some at least some physical

1262
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: comedy from Julia Luis Dreyfuss. I love oh and it's

1263
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: just nice to know that she went on to actually

1264
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: get to play real roles. I'll give it one nipple,

1265
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give it to miss Julia. And with that, folks,

1266
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: that's a year. That's a year of the buzzle cast.

1267
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it is. You can follow us on Instagram

1268
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 2: and join our Matreon at patreon dot com Slash Bechdel Cast,

1269
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: and we want to tell you about the upcoming live

1270
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: shows we have in La San Francisco and Portland. In

1271
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: kind of the back half of January, we're doing a

1272
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 2: fun LA show where we're just celebrating the Bechtel Cast

1273
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: and we have all these special guests and it's a

1274
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: variety show, lots of fun little segments and stand up

1275
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: sets and everything. And then we're doing Shrek Tannic in

1276
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: San Francisco for a Titanic show and in Portland for

1277
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: a Shrek show. So all the dates and details and

1278
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 2: tickets are on our link tree link Tree Slash Bechtel Cast,

1279
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: and the shows for LA and Portland are being live streamed,

1280
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: so even if you don't live in any of those places,

1281
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: you can still access the live streams.

1282
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: We're so excited. We love our annual tours and I'm

1283
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: excited to do Shrek Tanic. And in the meantime, if

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Speaker 1: get in on that, you can get two additional episodes

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Speaker 1: with just Caitlin and myself every month around a theme

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Speaker 1: of ours or sometimes you're choosing very fun community and

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Speaker 1: You can also if you want to get some seasonal merch,

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Speaker 1: The Bechdel Cast and with that, let's just never talk

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Speaker 1: about National Lampoon again.

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Speaker 2: Fine, Bye me, Bye bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is

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Speaker 2: a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by Caitlin Derante and Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 2: produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited by Moe Laborde. Our theme

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Speaker 2: song was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by Katherine Voskresenski.

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Speaker 2: Our logo in Merch is designed by Jamie Loftus and

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Speaker 2: a special thanks to Aristotle Acevedo. For more information about

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