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Speaker 3: In this episode, we are stepping out of the airlock
Speaker 3: and into an unexpectedly diverted episode of.
Speaker 2: The Mandalorians Dorian.
Speaker 3: One might say it was very Andorian season three episode
Speaker 3: of The Mandalorian, though there is very little Mandalorian and
Speaker 3: even less Baby Booo. But it's a good episode in
Speaker 3: that out listener, I has thoughts about The Mandalorian season
Speaker 3: three episode two from last.
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Speaker 1: Up next to the airlock, stepping out of the airlock
Speaker 1: and back onto the beautifully constructed surface of coruscon thriving
Speaker 1: the duel of the galaxy for season three, episode three
Speaker 1: of The Mandalorian on Disney Plus, Chapter nineteen, The Convert
Speaker 1: written by Noah Clurer and John Favreau, directed by Academy
Speaker 1: Award nominee Lee Isaac Chung. Folks, let's get into it,
Speaker 1: so we we open up right after we ended the
Speaker 1: previous episode by the living waters under the mines of Mandalor.
Speaker 1: Din wakes up beside Bokatan, who just saved his life.
Speaker 1: Grogu is very cutely standing over him, looking concerned, and
Speaker 1: Dinn's very very first thought, first thing on his lips,
Speaker 1: I am redeemed.
Speaker 2: He's just it.
Speaker 3: He's like he's ready, I know it's happened.
Speaker 2: Boagrees, and she's like, yeah, you did it. You you
Speaker 2: bathe in the living waters.
Speaker 1: And it's very clear that Dinn passed out before the mythica,
Speaker 1: and so Bo is just ready to get out of
Speaker 1: there because she's really processing what she saw. She says,
Speaker 1: can we leave? Din wisely takes a vial of the water.
Speaker 1: Is proof?
Speaker 2: Wisely? I say yeah, especially as we just wouldn't have gone.
Speaker 2: So he really like he made it.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're going to go get the proof. Also,
Speaker 3: this will be a retiring question in this episode, but Bogatan,
Speaker 3: why keeping that mythoso safe? Why keeping a secret?
Speaker 2: I want to know?
Speaker 1: It's very very interesting to me. More on that in
Speaker 1: a bit. Uh Bo then quizzes Din a little further,
Speaker 1: you know, like did you see anything at all? Are
Speaker 1: you sure you didn't see anything before you you know,
Speaker 1: like before you passed out. He's like, no, not at all,
Speaker 1: and then uh he says, well, I did see like
Speaker 1: a chasm of some kind.
Speaker 2: It was so deep, It was so deep down.
Speaker 1: And she says, well, maybe the Imperial bombs, you know,
Speaker 1: during the purge must have opened a fissure or something
Speaker 1: like that. Anything anything alive or anything. Nope, Okay, They
Speaker 1: head back to Kalavalah to get Mando's ship in thanks bow.
Speaker 1: They both give you know, the their cursory this is
Speaker 1: the ways, and just then Grogu says something in a
Speaker 1: very kind of cute all as always, but serious tone
Speaker 1: as well. And then right then the ship comes under
Speaker 1: attack from Thai interceptors, the kind of upgraded.
Speaker 2: Gun tie fighters.
Speaker 3: I'm really at this stage in the timeline, we know
Speaker 3: that those are probably connected to mof Gideon or his
Speaker 3: little cult. This is not like a normal empire attack.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of mention of imperial warlords, these kind
Speaker 1: of like remnants of the Empire that splintered off to
Speaker 1: kind of like do their own thing. And the idea is,
Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, you know, the at least
Speaker 1: the idea that they Bo and Dinner probably dealing with
Speaker 1: is maybe this is something like that or mof Gideon.
Speaker 1: Mando gets on the guns, Boh stays on the stick.
Speaker 1: Really cool sequence where Bo brings the ship screaming over
Speaker 1: her castle and Mando drops out of a door of
Speaker 1: the ship using his jets so you can get in
Speaker 1: the end one.
Speaker 2: It's super cool.
Speaker 1: Grogho, you know, flipping the cover of this little pod closed,
Speaker 1: and then we get a really great dog fight. Great
Speaker 1: for everyone except for our five and the Ties themselves.
Speaker 1: Our five is like not ready for this level of stress.
Speaker 2: He is an anxious boy.
Speaker 1: We get a trademark Star Wars Canyon Run. Is it
Speaker 1: even a Star Wars dog.
Speaker 2: F there's no canyone, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I feel like the guys at ILM who are really
Speaker 3: showing their skills him. Yeah, this is another episode where
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like the way they're diverting money
Speaker 3: to the MCU and to Star Wars is not making sense.
Speaker 2: But I'm happy with how good the Mandalorian looks. It
Speaker 2: also might.
Speaker 3: Because ILM is like probably doing a lot of this
Speaker 3: work in house or at least designing it, that this
Speaker 3: shit looked so good.
Speaker 2: It looks if you watched it.
Speaker 3: On an Imax you would be like, this is fucking unbelievable,
Speaker 3: Like it is trademark really Star Wars action.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look two CG. Yeah, any top of quality
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this is epic and I'm I love I
Speaker 3: imagine that there's like a little board ILM and they're
Speaker 3: like Canyon Run, Like if there's a film that has
Speaker 3: to be a canyon run, like.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would not shock me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody with more technical skills could do this,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure they have templates for like seven different
Speaker 1: canyon runs sitting in your computer animation files. So they
Speaker 1: just go put another canyon run, put another put just
Speaker 1: reskin it differently and then put it in anyway, it
Speaker 1: looked great. They fall into a really easy chemistry Bow
Speaker 1: and Mando. Bow leads the ties while Mando comes up
Speaker 1: behind them to pick them off one by one. Then
Speaker 1: finally to take out the last one, Bo pulls it,
Speaker 1: hits the brakes, pulls a one to eighty, takes out
Speaker 1: the last tie fighter as our five completely just blacks
Speaker 1: out from stress.
Speaker 3: Mad for him, it's like, though, you know those videos
Speaker 3: of people who go on those catapults at carnivals, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they just and they just pass out.
Speaker 2: That's off five. In this moment, He's like, nah.
Speaker 1: Certainly he would not have wanted to see the next thing,
Speaker 1: which is Bo's castle, get completely wiped out by a
Speaker 1: further squadron of ties. Bo is At first, I was like,
Speaker 1: Bo's gonna be mad about like the people that live
Speaker 1: and work in her house. But she's I think she
Speaker 1: was really just more mad about the house.
Speaker 2: She's mad about the house.
Speaker 3: And like the funny thing is like in her like,
Speaker 3: let's put it in in the Edcomma's defense, like we've
Speaker 3: only seen droids in that I would be sad about
Speaker 3: the droids. Bo, you should be sad, but like we
Speaker 3: haven't seen it flog. But she just cause she's like,
Speaker 3: that was my castle. Do you know how it is
Speaker 3: to come across a castle in the galaxy when all
Speaker 3: your people have left you and you had apostate But
Speaker 3: I had a castle.
Speaker 2: It's gone. And this is like, okay, this is.
Speaker 1: A big barrage, Like this is I mean, they this
Speaker 1: meant a lot of bombs blowing out.
Speaker 3: This is the first hint and I think the biggest
Speaker 3: direct kind of connection to what this episode is really about,
Speaker 3: which is what we're going to skip to in a minute,
Speaker 3: because like, as they point out, they say, like that's
Speaker 3: a lot of ships for an imperial warlord, and you
Speaker 3: got to think, like who has that many ships and
Speaker 3: who would waste that many bombs on this?
Speaker 1: And it certainly seems like something beyond Mofkeineon's pay grade.
Speaker 2: Bo is furious.
Speaker 1: She wants to take out the ties and bombed her house.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a whole hornets worth of ties
Speaker 1: coming at them, and so Mando sends both some cordinates
Speaker 1: and they jump hyperspace to go somewhere. We go to
Speaker 1: Danda Da Da Coruscant. We see our good friend and
Speaker 1: mortal enemy. And mortal enemy I use that, I use
Speaker 1: that phrase, you know, Catholic. Yeah, our friend Doctor Pershing,
Speaker 1: former Imperial collaborator, former will put in air quotes, is
Speaker 1: speaking before a large audience at the Opera House from
Speaker 1: the Revenge of the sith Uh. He is free and
Speaker 1: able to give these public talks that are very very
Speaker 1: well attended thanks to the amnesty program that the New
Speaker 1: Republic runs, which allows those who cooperated with the Empire
Speaker 1: and its remnants to join New Republic society. Doctor Pershing says,
Speaker 1: there were many of us who had no choice, none,
Speaker 1: I say, in working for the Empire. But now the
Speaker 1: New Republic has given us a second chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just say, just in case you don't
Speaker 3: immediately recognize him, you lost saw him.
Speaker 2: He was doing days German.
Speaker 3: They the baby at the behest of Werner Herzog. So
Speaker 3: this is not like this is not like a stormtrooper
Speaker 3: who was like kidnapped or drafted in or something. This
Speaker 3: is a scientist who is using his science to test
Speaker 3: on the world's cutest baby, the galaxy's cutest baby.
Speaker 2: But you know he wants a second chance.
Speaker 3: This is very interesting to learn about this amnesty, and
Speaker 3: I think this episode has some quite interesting I really
Speaker 3: like that me too. I also think this episode has
Speaker 3: some interesting parallels with our other Pagro show that we
Speaker 3: just said goodbye to the Last of Us when it
Speaker 3: looks at like the way that people take over and
Speaker 3: change from like fascistic regimes. There's lots of interesting and
Speaker 3: all kind of comparisons in this.
Speaker 1: This is an episode that is a lot about bureaucracy.
Speaker 2: Everyone's favorite Star Wars topic.
Speaker 3: Definitely George Lucas's favorite Star Wars topic.
Speaker 2: It's feeling very prequels.
Speaker 1: Baby Pershing admits that his former research was cruel or
Speaker 1: at least was employed for cruel means in cruel ways,
Speaker 1: and he lays all the responsibility for that quote. Someone
Speaker 1: intent on using cloning technology to secure more power for himself,
Speaker 1: probably talking about maf Gideon, but who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also, let's remember the last time in the
Speaker 3: Star Wars canon that we saw somebody return via a
Speaker 3: cloning technique.
Speaker 1: Let's more on that in a bit. Let's let's put
Speaker 1: a pin on that for now. But I think a good.
Speaker 2: Thing to be thinking about. Doctor Pershing then continues it.
Speaker 1: You know, he hopes that he'd be able to use
Speaker 1: his skills as a genetic scientist to help the New Republic,
Speaker 1: and he talks about in a very Elizabeth Holmes moment.
Speaker 1: He talks about the loss of his mother and how
Speaker 1: her organ cloning. You know, if only I could have
Speaker 1: cloned a new heart for her.
Speaker 2: Could have saved her life.
Speaker 1: Pershing's work, which is, you know, built on the foundation
Speaker 1: laid by the camino In researchers, who of course produced
Speaker 1: and delivered the cloned Soldiers prequel Siren Gards.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is all about splicing the DNA dunt dunt
Speaker 1: dum of numerous individuals together to create a single, stronger
Speaker 1: genetic sequence in one individual.
Speaker 2: Sound familiar, sound familiar.
Speaker 1: We'll go into that in more detail quite soon after
Speaker 1: the speech. Pershing hop knobs with some of the New
Speaker 1: Republic elites. They're feeding him they think it's wonderful what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. However, these are like the most cynical
Speaker 1: politicians imaginable. They were politicians under the public, under the Empire,
Speaker 1: and now under the new Republic, to the point where
Speaker 1: one of these uh, these elites can't even remember like
Speaker 1: event one, which which one was? Which his wife has
Speaker 1: to be like, no, no, no, honey, that was the Republic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who can even who can even do?
Speaker 3: They will live in life, they will live in the
Speaker 3: high life. No, ma, who was in charge? That's right,
Speaker 3: and that's still living now.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 1: And they see in Pershing something of a reflection of
Speaker 1: maybe a lesser evolved version of themselves, survivors who just
Speaker 1: want to do what they do and don't really care
Speaker 1: who's paying the bills as long as they keep getting
Speaker 1: to do it, whether it's acquiring wealth or getting to,
Speaker 1: you know, attend fancy talks at the opera house, or,
Speaker 1: in the case of Pershing, performing grotesque genetic experiment on
Speaker 1: very very cute babies. How Da, Pershing lives at Amnesty House,
Speaker 1: which is kind of halfway house. He arrives home late
Speaker 1: that night and he he gets to meet some of
Speaker 1: the fellow former Imperials who also live there. Everyone has
Speaker 1: to wear like a kind of like dumbed down version
Speaker 1: of their old uniform, same kind of cut, with these
Speaker 1: special red pins that identify them as ex imperials. They
Speaker 1: invite him Pershing for a drink, and Pershing recognizes one
Speaker 1: of them, G sixty eight from mof gideon Ship.
Speaker 2: They used to work together. The mention of Gideon kind
Speaker 2: of changes the mood.
Speaker 1: We learned that he was on trial for war crimes,
Speaker 1: for crimes against the galaxy, but as either escaped or
Speaker 1: that's a cover story for him dying while being mind flawed.
Speaker 2: No one really knows.
Speaker 1: G sixty eight then makes all the right you know,
Speaker 1: makes all the right kind of notions about integrating with
Speaker 1: the New Republic and how important that is to her,
Speaker 1: But she does it in a very kind of robotic
Speaker 1: way that makes you think, like, does she really want
Speaker 1: to integrate with the rule?
Speaker 2: Yeah? K, And then they then toast to the new Republic.
Speaker 3: Kat E O'Brien is so great in this role she
Speaker 3: played with Kerrella in Aman and the Wasp Quantumnia. She's
Speaker 3: so good is she's so menacing. I just want to
Speaker 3: say something. I'm not trying to get back on a
Speaker 3: Arlene's style hype against the New Republic.
Speaker 2: But I will say.
Speaker 3: If you want to instill loyalty and give people a
Speaker 3: feeling of some kind of redemption or a part of
Speaker 3: being able to be part of society, probably like let
Speaker 3: them use their names and don't give them Stormtrooper esque
Speaker 3: like numerical kind of I think that that.
Speaker 2: I understand. This is early day, So the point is
Speaker 2: this is all.
Speaker 3: Bureaucratic, right, and everyone's trying stuff out, So this is
Speaker 3: like you've got so many people.
Speaker 2: They even make a point.
Speaker 3: About that, But like G sixty eight, I'm like, you
Speaker 3: could just be like you're not part of the Empire.
Speaker 3: Now now you get a name, Like now you can
Speaker 3: what's your name? I feel like there's many interesting This
Speaker 3: is a This is very Andorian because there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff in this that is about the Republic trying
Speaker 3: its best but still making some of the same mistakes
Speaker 3: as the Empire, and I think they're much smaller mistakes.
Speaker 3: But I found this to be a very interesting one,
Speaker 3: especially the arc that the characters go on this episode.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick up for the New Republic here.
Speaker 1: I do agree that this is it's dehumanizing, and it's
Speaker 1: unnecessarily so. But even but as the imperials themselves note,
Speaker 1: if this had been in the empire in charge, all
Speaker 1: the ex republic soldiers would have just been fallen into
Speaker 1: a Sarlac pitt and you know, executed en mass in
Speaker 1: their millions and billions.
Speaker 2: Probably it's a very good point.
Speaker 1: So so this is actually like not a you know, like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's a miss here with the with the numerical names,
Speaker 1: but they are working to integrate them into new Republic society,
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to hand it to them.
Speaker 3: You absolutely have to hand it to them, where you
Speaker 3: do not absolutely have to hand it to money. I
Speaker 3: will not hand it to the Republican Republic, but I
Speaker 3: will let you hand it to them. But also I
Speaker 3: will say this scene is so good ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: All these actors. They bring such an interesting like depth.
Speaker 3: It's very quiet, it's very Andorian, it's very much in
Speaker 3: this kind of morally gray area of there are you
Speaker 3: can see like.
Speaker 2: And G sixty eight as we will call her.
Speaker 3: They were quite high up. But it seems from the
Speaker 3: others that you might have some like stormtroopers here some grunts,
Speaker 3: some people who really probably didn't want to be in
Speaker 3: that situation, and there's this kind of like real grounded
Speaker 3: honesty to this scene.
Speaker 2: I was just really, this was when the switch.
Speaker 3: Between what we usually expect from the Mandalorianto. This, this,
Speaker 3: this kind of seemed really sold it to me. X
Speaker 3: Ray Vision will be back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: They all start reminiscing about stuff they missed from the Empire,
Speaker 1: and they're careful to be like not the not the
Speaker 1: destroying planets.
Speaker 2: Don't say like yeah yeah, don't yeah yeah, like the
Speaker 2: Gray Socks, the Gray Special, the hot water Pressure was
Speaker 2: really really good on the store.
Speaker 3: It's like it's really I actually thought that was a
Speaker 3: really great moment as well to highlight this like weird,
Speaker 3: complex situation that the New Republics got themselves into. Because
Speaker 3: immediately Pashon's like, well, you know, I just loved and
Speaker 3: they're like no, no, no, don't say.
Speaker 2: Anything about it. No no, no, you're talking about like you
Speaker 2: loved having the science to test on a baby. Like
Speaker 2: now they're like, yeah, they'll.
Speaker 3: Talk if they're like, we don't want to erase your experience,
Speaker 3: but also like don't talk about genocide. Just be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the mundane day to day things you know that you
Speaker 3: missed living under the Empire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Empire had a box at the pod races
Speaker 1: and exactly like you get to go.
Speaker 3: Like sitting and looking out at the galaxy in the messo,
Speaker 3: like those are the kind of things they're looking for.
Speaker 3: And hilariously, I guess it turns out they weren't actually
Speaker 3: many good things about the Empire, just one and they.
Speaker 1: All agreed and pushing brings it up. It's the biscuits,
Speaker 1: the travel biscuits in your little mual ration kit apparently
Speaker 1: quite good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them's like I don't want it. I
Speaker 3: don't want it, but the other ones, like these were banging.
Speaker 1: They mostly agreed later that night. Pershing is like reading
Speaker 1: up on the culture and society of Coursan, just trying
Speaker 1: to get acclimated, you know, the big city. She spent
Speaker 1: so much time kind of ensconced on a ship that
Speaker 1: in a lot of a lot of ways is like
Speaker 1: a small city that flies through the space, you know.
Speaker 2: But like now he's on.
Speaker 1: This huge, vast planet size city and he's feeling out
Speaker 1: of place, and he's reading about it when there's a
Speaker 1: ring of his doorbell and he goes outside and he
Speaker 1: finds the travel biscuits laying there. We get to see
Speaker 1: a little bit of Pershing's work life. He works doing
Speaker 1: data entry in the archives, and we later learned that
Speaker 1: what he's doing is cataloging imperial hardware that has been captured,
Speaker 1: decommissioned weapons ships, all the things that are on the ships,
Speaker 1: and he's cataloging them and so they can eventually be destroyed.
Speaker 3: I just want to jump in ahead. New Republic Syney,
Speaker 3: she's back at it. I don't like the Empire, just
Speaker 3: need to specify that and not supporting the Empire. Glad
Speaker 3: the Empire has gone. But I found one thing. Don't
Speaker 3: get rid of all that stuff. That's stupid. You don't
Speaker 3: have anything. Keep that stuff, repurpose it. That would be
Speaker 3: better on a less logical point, but a more of
Speaker 3: like a thing that I thought was really powerful about
Speaker 3: this episode. I kind of like how Pershing's job and
Speaker 3: the tone of it and the vibe of his life.
Speaker 3: It feels very similar to Cyril Khns Like it seems
Speaker 3: like the New Republic some of the stuff that they
Speaker 3: could take on from the Empire, the kind of data
Speaker 3: entry and the day to day mundanity of the lower
Speaker 3: level people is just still there and the same. And
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily a judgment on them. It's just something
Speaker 3: I found really interesting and I thought was smart because
Speaker 3: it's true for a lot of people, your life on
Speaker 3: the lowest level of society probably wouldn't like materially change immediately.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was really interesting that he had
Speaker 3: this kind of mind numbingly boring job where he mostly
Speaker 3: just interacted with droids.
Speaker 2: It really reminded me of Cyril early on.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good car. I will once again
Speaker 1: lightly stick up for you this time in that when
Speaker 1: we eventually go to the shipyard, a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff is torn out of it, so stuff has been
Speaker 1: scavenged out of it. But now I will criticize the
Speaker 1: Republican say, I mean, this guy's got to have supervision.
Speaker 2: You can't let this. He shouldn't be the one doing
Speaker 2: this job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like ex Empire people cannot be the people who
Speaker 1: are like, you know, like writing the catalog of history
Speaker 1: here without anybody looking over his shoulder.
Speaker 3: I just like, also, you know, specifically this man, like
Speaker 3: I feel like there's probably a lot of people in
Speaker 3: the empire who were doing like different kinds of jobs.
Speaker 3: Who that is kind of a punishment in itself because
Speaker 3: very mundane and it's in the office. This man guess
Speaker 3: what he needs to do his work, very specific imperial technology.
Speaker 3: Guess what you are giving him access to it all times,
Speaker 3: the knowledge of a very specific imperial technology.
Speaker 1: I mean this guy should be this guy should be
Speaker 1: like sweeping the streets of course on like I'm not
Speaker 1: even both.
Speaker 2: Like be happier. He's very criminal and he's very like
Speaker 2: conflicted in his kind of space.
Speaker 3: I think the best thing to do is take him
Speaker 3: out of anywhere where he could be thinking about doing
Speaker 3: tests on babies for dodgy Nazi science.
Speaker 2: Like no, just like let him creep a street. He
Speaker 2: can't help it.
Speaker 1: He keeps saying stuff like, well, you know and under
Speaker 1: the right circumstances that this kind of research could be good.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, I mean, like you can throw a
Speaker 1: child like out of an airplane and see what happens
Speaker 1: and you could probably get some good data from Also,
Speaker 1: would you want to do a.
Speaker 3: Great This is really great writing on this episode because he,
Speaker 3: as we will see as the episode goes on, that
Speaker 3: mindset that he has ends up becoming like his undoing
Speaker 3: and this really brute a way, and I love again
Speaker 3: that comparison of like, no, actually, sometimes there isn't something
Speaker 3: good that can come out of a bad thing. It's
Speaker 3: always bad, no matter who uses it, it's always bad.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the ends and the means are both so terrible
Speaker 1: that there's no reason, you know, the means can be
Speaker 1: so terrible that whatever ends you end up at are
Speaker 1: not worth it. Pershing later on has some ice cream
Speaker 1: cones with G sixty eight to explore corauson.
Speaker 2: Lovely delightful blowing ice cream cones.
Speaker 1: She has been on planet before during her academy days.
Speaker 1: She's like, we thought we were doing good. Pershing agrees.
Speaker 1: He also was like, yeah, I thought when I was
Speaker 1: experimenting on that baby, that cute little baby with those
Speaker 1: cute little eyes, I thought I was doing the right thing.
Speaker 3: And every yeah, It's like it's like, and everyone who
Speaker 3: was coming and all these different people trying to stop me,
Speaker 3: who seemed like they were on the other side of history,
Speaker 3: they were definitely in the wrong. I was, I was
Speaker 3: doing the right thing, and I definitely wasn't testing this
Speaker 3: baby's midichlorians to see if they could somehow use to
Speaker 3: give someone else medichlorians.
Speaker 2: This was all good, It was all good.
Speaker 1: So gee when we were like blowing up whole planets,
Speaker 1: that was yeah. Anyway, Pershing is like, you know, we
Speaker 1: were close to some really really cool breakthroughs when they
Speaker 1: shut us down. And he says, again, in the right hands,
Speaker 1: our discoveries could have helped a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, why don't you keep doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: just like as a hobby, just like at home.
Speaker 3: She's like, you went to the Republic New Republic, Now
Speaker 3: you can do that, right, There's no reason you.
Speaker 1: Could just give it up in your yeah, up in
Speaker 1: your apartment and just like run some tests on them,
Speaker 1: Like what would you need to make that happen? And
Speaker 1: Pershing's like, well, like, unfortunately, the New Republic considers it
Speaker 1: horrifying to.
Speaker 2: Experiment on children. Like unfortunately he.
Speaker 3: Also like New Republic kind of like very aligned with
Speaker 3: the Jedi and that whole like fass things probably not
Speaker 3: gonna go well to.
Speaker 2: Be tested on medichlorian babies.
Speaker 1: And she is like, well, you know, you were just
Speaker 1: falling orders and and it's just following orders, even if
Speaker 1: it's coming from the New Republic, just kind of like
Speaker 1: how we become the Empire, wasn't that isn't that kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing. He's like, that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, and she says, you know, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: got to trust your gut, and if your gut's telling
Speaker 1: you experiment on babies, you.
Speaker 2: Gotta do it.
Speaker 3: I have to say, he is to having the most
Speaker 3: unhinged conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I just have to say.
Speaker 3: The performances by wonderful Kat O'Brien and then uh Ahmed
Speaker 3: Abdi who plays uh dr pershing, Like I cannot tell
Speaker 3: you how well they cast this chemistry, Like I willson,
Speaker 3: you believe that she can convince him, and you believe
Speaker 3: that he is like morally weak enough to kind of
Speaker 3: believe that he would be doing the right thing when really,
Speaker 3: you know, he just wants to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: But there's just he just wants to keep experimenting. Baby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so believable and like so bleak. Moreover, I think
Speaker 2: that this is actually a really.
Speaker 1: Important concept and it's one that I think about all
Speaker 1: the time, which is how very often people's political and
Speaker 1: philosophical beliefs are backfilled to support the thing that they
Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah, doctor Pershing is like, I'm a
Speaker 1: good person. Yes I want to experiment on babies. But
Speaker 1: when I was doing that before, I was forced to
Speaker 1: and now that I want to do it again, I
Speaker 1: want to do it because something good can happen that
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to happen last time. And and he's created
Speaker 1: this and is in the process of creating this entire
Speaker 1: like ideology around I just want to do horrible genetic experiments.
Speaker 1: How can I continue to do it? Oh, here's this
Speaker 1: political philosophy that says, if you want to do good,
Speaker 1: then you are doing good. That allows me to do it.
Speaker 1: And that's really I think that a lot of people
Speaker 1: fall under this, where they create their politics around what
Speaker 1: they really.
Speaker 2: Were offending that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I think as well as something really
Speaker 3: interesting in the notion of like this is the only
Speaker 3: thing he knows how to do, and rather than actually
Speaker 3: like putting in the work to become valuable in another
Speaker 3: way to the empire, he's clearly incredibly intelligent. He has
Speaker 3: some kind instead of being like, oh, the New Republic,
Speaker 3: like what do you need from me? Like how can
Speaker 3: I help you? And they'll be like you can walk
Speaker 3: up to that, but here's some ideas. He's just like,
Speaker 3: bet they don't know it, but what they really need
Speaker 3: is someone who does genetic testing on babies, fifty three
Speaker 3: year old babies.
Speaker 1: And after she says sometimes you have to trust your gut,
Speaker 1: g makes it very very clear that she is part
Speaker 1: of some sort of group of ex imperials who want
Speaker 1: to continue doing imperial stuff, but this time for the good.
Speaker 1: And it's very, i think, very notable with all the
Speaker 1: connections that we have mentioned to the latest trilogies that
Speaker 1: while they're at this you know outdoor you know, walking park,
Speaker 1: you hear in kind of like Carnival form, the John
Speaker 1: Williams masterpiece. I think, I agree, Force Awakens March of
Speaker 1: the Resistance, you know when podamer In and the rest
Speaker 1: come screaming over the water bomb bomb but bomb, so
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of very conscious ties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is I think one of the most
Speaker 3: interesting things about this episode is it, as we will
Speaker 3: talk about more, it really feels like Favreau and Felony
Speaker 3: are doing what they do best and coming in to
Speaker 3: kind of fill in these gaps in Star Wars law,
Speaker 3: but they're also doing the things that they love, which
Speaker 3: is referencing the prequels and trying to build this kind
Speaker 3: of holistic world with the prequels and now as we're
Speaker 3: seeing the sequel trilogy. So it's very interesting. I love
Speaker 3: that March of the Resistance catch too, like what a
Speaker 3: great song.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, as we were talking about
Speaker 1: off Mic, I think this is very very much in
Speaker 1: the Felony wheelhouse, which is you build out the context
Speaker 1: around something from Star Wars, and if you do it
Speaker 1: in a compelling enough way, as he did with Clone Wars,
Speaker 1: it lifts up.
Speaker 2: The original story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, with Clone Wars, obviously it was the prequels,
Speaker 1: and in this case, perhaps I think we would both
Speaker 1: argue this is an attempt to lift up the latest,
Speaker 1: the most recent.
Speaker 3: Trilogy, and specifically I would say like Rise of Skywalker,
Speaker 3: like the Final Entry, kind.
Speaker 2: Of this Skywalker building.
Speaker 3: This context around as we will get to how this
Speaker 3: genetic testing may or may have not been involved in
Speaker 3: the iconic moment where Oscar Isaac delivered the line. Somehow
Speaker 3: Palpatine has returned, Yes, and.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's where this is. And I
Speaker 2: think the coolest thing is like that is such a
Speaker 2: maligned moment. Oh forever.
Speaker 3: I obviously we love Oscar Isaac in this pod, in
Speaker 3: this house, in this like community, but like I will
Speaker 3: forever love him for being are in character in that moment.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to deliver that line the way he
Speaker 3: put it across. And if you can turn something like
Speaker 3: that where even the actor was disappointed with the route,
Speaker 3: the film went into a nuanced, interesting look at the conversations.
Speaker 3: We're talking about science, the ethics of genetic testing. This
Speaker 3: is obviously alluding to and built on, like the fact
Speaker 3: that a lot of contemporary science that we have now
Speaker 3: is based on Nazi science. You know, like this is
Speaker 3: like a real world analogous thing that Stars does so well,
Speaker 3: and they're bringing that in to potentially as we are guessing,
Speaker 3: and I think we are right, especially by the time
Speaker 3: we get to the end of the episode, to bring
Speaker 3: gravitas and context to what was essentially a throwaway line
Speaker 3: to do like fan service, and I just think that
Speaker 3: is like really really cool, And like you say, that
Speaker 3: is the power of what Feloni does and has done.
Speaker 3: That is the reason that the prequels are so beloved. Now,
Speaker 3: that is the reason why Hayden got to come back.
Speaker 2: He is a huge, huge part of it.
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's the fans and the people who love this stuff,
Speaker 3: but Clone Wars gave people who loved Anakin and wanted
Speaker 3: to see more of him, who had grown up on
Speaker 3: those movies and felt like they were really special to
Speaker 3: them and there was something there even if they didn't
Speaker 3: see it come to life the way they did. And
Speaker 3: it gave people who didn't like them something.
Speaker 2: To glob onto.
Speaker 3: And then revisit the prequels and say, oh, well, this
Speaker 3: matters to me now because I know what was going
Speaker 3: on in between.
Speaker 2: So I just I think it's really cool.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, when The Mandalorian first came out,
Speaker 3: I definitely thought as soon as they mentioned the babies
Speaker 3: Midichlorians that this was where we were going to go.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really hear me like we got here
Speaker 2: till today.
Speaker 3: So if this episode feels different to that fun, creature
Speaker 3: heavy adventure that we've all been loving, this is why
Speaker 3: this is actually important. This is not an unnecessary diversion.
Speaker 3: This is probably the major thesis of The Mandalorian as
Speaker 3: an arc.
Speaker 1: I completely agree Pushing attends hit a regular debrief with
Speaker 1: a therapy droid, who is there essentially to make sure
Speaker 1: that his integration is going smoothly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like therapy droid slash like spy like does he really?
Speaker 3: He just wants to know, like, are you gonna be
Speaker 3: an imperial?
Speaker 2: Like hello?
Speaker 1: Although it's like the honor system like there, he's not
Speaker 1: looked up to machines. The droid is not oh no,
Speaker 1: ptenuated too, is not attenuated at all to like pick
Speaker 1: up any stress in his voice or anything like whatever
Speaker 1: he tells this droid, the droid is just like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: walks away. So you know, he's asked Aryus questions about
Speaker 1: how his integration is going, does he have any uh,
Speaker 1: does he have any resentments towards the New Republic? And
Speaker 1: at the end of this, he says, hey, quick question,
Speaker 1: what would happen if I was to, you know, just
Speaker 1: like as a hobby while I'm driving, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: private sy just like a person start pursuing my genetic
Speaker 1: research on babies one more time, you know.
Speaker 2: Just by myself. Also likely be one baby, Like does
Speaker 2: any really one that could happen? So I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to hunt down a baby kid and then do it.
Speaker 2: How would that go?
Speaker 1: And the Joid is like that's a hard No. Cloning
Speaker 1: is illegal under the Corosonic Chords, and you know that
Speaker 1: is the treaty which ended the civil war and brought
Speaker 1: peace to the galaxy, which I am a little shocked
Speaker 1: that Pershing didn't realize, didn't realize.
Speaker 3: I know, it's it's really you can really see how
Speaker 3: like brainwashed or like in the in the Empire.
Speaker 2: Was because he's like cloning just like fully illegal. Huh.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, fully, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, you know how in every Star Wars movie, whether
Speaker 3: it's we saw it with our five last episode, like
Speaker 3: you know, you can just always download what is on
Speaker 3: a droid and like give that information to someone else.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you even asking a New Republic
Speaker 3: droid about cloning if you're trying to do it, Like
Speaker 3: this is a bad idea, You're basically snitching on yourself.
Speaker 3: But I love he was just like he really didn't know,
Speaker 3: like he really thought it might just be okay by
Speaker 3: that token.
Speaker 1: Also, it it does show that on some level, Pershing,
Speaker 1: I think it feels like he's really making an honest
Speaker 1: effort of integrating to New Republics.
Speaker 2: I think he feels like you know what I'm really trying.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. But now they're wrong about this, and so
Speaker 2: I have to go my own. Well, so let's be real.
Speaker 3: He is being like fully manipulated by G sixty eight,
Speaker 3: like she is like.
Speaker 2: I think he wanted to do it, but I do think.
Speaker 3: She is like I think he's kind of like a
Speaker 3: weak enough person that if she hadn't been that, he
Speaker 3: probably would have just kept doing his imperial jobs.
Speaker 1: And actually I don't I don't actually fully disagree. We'll
Speaker 1: get back to that more in a second. So later,
Speaker 1: after you know, this therapy session, Pershing is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the New Republic are fucked. What the hell he finds
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, He's like, you know what, I want
Speaker 1: to go back to work. We're going to do it again.
Speaker 1: And you know what, when the New Republic sees the
Speaker 1: value of my work, I think they'll come around. And
Speaker 1: she's like, I love it. You need what do you
Speaker 1: need to start splicing baby jeans? He says that, uh,
Speaker 1: and she's like, wait, I can get.
Speaker 2: You you know, whatever you need.
Speaker 1: It would just mean just so you know, it means
Speaker 1: sneaking out of amnes seahouse and breaking some other rules.
Speaker 1: Person's like, well, I don't want to go back to
Speaker 1: the integration Institute, which was is clearly some other like
Speaker 1: if this is a halfway house, would be like a
Speaker 1: quarterhouse that's like one step away from being jail. And
Speaker 1: so he's like, no, I'm not gonna I'm not.
Speaker 2: Gonna see that. Okay.
Speaker 3: To me is the moment where I feel like this
Speaker 3: is not necessarily a moral strength in him that wouldn't
Speaker 3: have made him do this. I just think he's easily led.
Speaker 3: So I think if she wasn't bring him these options,
Speaker 3: he probably would have not done this till somebody else
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 2: But he's not gonna say no.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have like the moral core to understand what
Speaker 3: he's doing is wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree. At the same time, there is
Speaker 1: something fucked up in this guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And at the very least he should not be doing
Speaker 1: the job that he's doing and be given as much
Speaker 1: free rein as he's given. But I agree with you
Speaker 1: that she is pulling him in for sure. The next
Speaker 1: day at work, Pershing sees that he's being ordered to
Speaker 1: destroy a bunch of Imperial files, which contain technical documents,
Speaker 1: other perhaps valuable information. He's like, hey, can I access
Speaker 1: these to find if there's anything useful here? And that's
Speaker 1: a no from his boss. He says, listen, we're really
Speaker 1: busy actually, like his bosses like we're really busy, Like
Speaker 1: just do as your really the real yeah, when really
Speaker 1: the real answer is, hey, former imperial guy, we're not
Speaker 1: going to have you like accessing imperial technology is so
Speaker 1: want it?
Speaker 2: You shut the fuck up and like go to jail.
Speaker 3: His boss is like very kind and like definitely wants
Speaker 3: to be his frid grade.
Speaker 2: Like his boss is like trying to check in on him.
Speaker 3: Also, this is the other thing is like this man,
Speaker 3: I do not know where he got such goal because.
Speaker 2: When we saw him with was always telling him no, no, no,
Speaker 2: do your job go back in there. No no.
Speaker 3: He never at any point like had someone who he
Speaker 3: could tell what to do.
Speaker 2: Like so I'm just like, was he just always like this?
Speaker 1: Like you don't understand. And I think it's hard if
Speaker 1: you've never had a passion for experimenting with babies.
Speaker 2: I've had to really understand how it.
Speaker 1: Drives you and how it becomes an if you have
Speaker 1: watched taken the blood without consent, of a baby full
Speaker 1: of medicoreans.
Speaker 2: You just can't.
Speaker 1: Splice it, you know, with the other DNA. Like the
Speaker 1: rush of it is just amazing. So after this, uh,
Speaker 1: this like running with his boss. In a very very
Speaker 1: subtle metaphor, he then takes a big bite out of
Speaker 1: the Imperial biscuits.
Speaker 3: He's feeling nostalgia, and they're gonna become taste of Empire.
Speaker 3: They're gonna become a very subtle theme throughout the episode.
Speaker 3: He had earlier someone mysteriously a d them off outside
Speaker 3: of his room, and it's obviously g but now he's
Speaker 3: like snacking, He's feeling nostalgic. He's thinking, Oh, I wish
Speaker 3: I was back working for the Empire, or I could
Speaker 3: just experiment on a baby all the time while eating
Speaker 3: some delicious biscuits.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, he doesn't have questions about how G got those biscuits,
Speaker 2: because I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Well he doesn't fully know it's her, even
Speaker 1: though I'm sure he's yeah, like because really, who would
Speaker 1: have access to imperial biscuits other than an imperial Just say,
Speaker 1: just another person, another person with a sweet two At
Speaker 1: his therapy session, his next one, he then lies that
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel any anger resentment towards any Republican and
Speaker 1: it's very obvious that he's the same, but the droid
Speaker 1: doesn't catch it. And then he goes straight to jess
Speaker 1: apartments like let's go, let's fucking do this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and there's like Jesse, I just want to say,
Speaker 3: there's a moment I love here because this shows again
Speaker 3: like about his like his the way he's just constantly
Speaker 3: convincing himself. He's not doing it because he wants to
Speaker 3: do it. He's doing it because it's good for the
Speaker 3: New Republic, because he says to afterwards, he's like, is
Speaker 3: role as New Republic like people in the New Republic?
Speaker 2: Is it to do what is best for the New
Speaker 2: Republic no matter what.
Speaker 3: And the Droid's like yeah, broh, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Test a baby and he just like, hey, I'm like no,
Speaker 1: my therapy droid said, gave me the okay, just told.
Speaker 3: You, like you can't do this. But he's like he's
Speaker 3: like in his head he's created he's turning it into
Speaker 3: a moral crusade when as we can see, it's more
Speaker 3: of like an addiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like also it's illegal, Bruther anyway, Yeah, x
Speaker 1: ray Vision will be back and we're back, Gee and
Speaker 1: Pushing sneak out of Amnesty Housing. They go down by
Speaker 1: train to the disposed yards where much of the equipment
Speaker 1: and files he's been cataloging are held in these decommissioned
Speaker 1: Imperial ships and G's like computer ships have mobile labs, right.
Speaker 1: Pushing is like, I don't really, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this, but really he does.
Speaker 2: You can tell he really really? I guess what Bro,
Speaker 2: you could have told around at any point? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He learns now, absolutely definitively that it was G who
Speaker 1: got the case of biscuits and this is how she
Speaker 1: did it by sneaking into the yards. They have to
Speaker 1: jump between train cars and in order to avoid the
Speaker 1: Detroit conductors. Pushing is like getting a real rush out
Speaker 1: of this week with this little mini heist feeling. They're
Speaker 1: skulking through the decommissioned Imperial craft and looking for lab stuff.
Speaker 2: G setting the hook.
Speaker 1: For doctor Pershing like even deeper now is like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm sorry, I never introduced myself to you.
Speaker 2: Back on off Guinning, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: Like think me just walked by each other all the time, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't it like you're in the bathroom, I'm in the
Speaker 1: cafeteria next door, and then we never talked to Now
Speaker 1: we're bringing into ships together. I'm Elijah Kane, communication officer,
Speaker 1: and he's like doctor Penn Pershing scientist. And it feels
Speaker 1: here experiment on babies.
Speaker 3: I experiment on babies, and it feels yeah, she was
Speaker 3: the communication officer for fascists.
Speaker 2: But like it does to the.
Speaker 3: To the like success and skill of the showmakers and
Speaker 3: the creatives behind it, Like it feels like a huge
Speaker 3: moment because not only were they nameless underneath the Empire,
Speaker 3: but they're now nameless under the new Republican. Here is
Speaker 3: a moment where they can kind of like being coots,
Speaker 3: even if it's to get stuff to experiment on babies.
Speaker 3: And this idea of sharing the name and the power
Speaker 3: of a name, it's a really great way for her
Speaker 3: to get the hook. That's it, because it feels big,
Speaker 3: it feels like a trust moment. Also, kind of talking
Speaker 3: about this, it makes me think how much a liar
Speaker 3: is kind of like one that's a classic Star Wars name.
Speaker 3: She's lying to her name's a liar. I love that
Speaker 3: that's just like the best, silliest, poppiest thing, But also like,
Speaker 3: I love how much she's almost like a cool kid
Speaker 3: at school, because like, at no point should has he
Speaker 3: been given any reason to trust her. He just met her,
Speaker 3: she was on off Gideon ship. He's not considering for
Speaker 3: a moment that this might be someone who betrays you.
Speaker 2: She bit at every point, she's like she's given him
Speaker 2: a little bit. She's nice to him. She's like when
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go, she's like, nah, nah, it'll
Speaker 2: be cool, I promise.
Speaker 3: Is this very interesting kind of weird delayed like adolescence
Speaker 3: that they never got to have being in the Empire.
Speaker 2: But Pershing is just he's he's ridiculous. See he's not good.
Speaker 2: He's not good at this.
Speaker 1: He's not absolutely falling for it. They eventually find the
Speaker 1: stuff lab stuff. Pershing is absolutely stoked. He's reminiscing now
Speaker 1: but the first time he walked into it like a
Speaker 1: really high tech professional lab to experiment on, you know, babies,
Speaker 1: and what a rush it was, and how he always
Speaker 1: wanted to be a scientist. And Elia, for her part,
Speaker 1: has never got to think about what she wanted to be,
Speaker 1: which is like an interesting comment that she makes and
Speaker 1: that suddenly very weight there's noise, Yeah, very weighted. Suddenly
Speaker 1: there's noise and they see flashlights bobbing, and Doc and
Speaker 1: G run for it. They're immediately arrested outside the ship.
Speaker 1: The cops know exactly who Pershing is and what he's
Speaker 1: here for. It was a setup, and we realized that
Speaker 1: G sold them out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a great twist because to me,
Speaker 3: the way it was going, I felt like she was
Speaker 3: going to sell him out to the Empire and some
Speaker 3: kind of like Empire group, not for any real reason,
Speaker 3: just because she would be like, well, now we've got
Speaker 3: this stuff. But I love that when they turn up
Speaker 3: it's New Republic and she's obviously rising up these ranks quickly.
Speaker 2: I will say, put a pin in that, because I do.
Speaker 2: I think she's playing the lot of.
Speaker 3: She is she is, But this moment, this little reveal, yeah,
Speaker 3: she sells him out to the New Republic, felt like
Speaker 3: a great twist on what I expected. But then yeah,
Speaker 3: by the time we get to end of the episode,
Speaker 3: her aims are clear, and it's really great because she
Speaker 3: is playing the New Republic like a fucking fiddle.
Speaker 1: Now here's where I will say, good idea new Republic.
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad at all like it was pershing
Speaker 1: and trapped. On a certain level, Yes, absolutely should the
Speaker 1: new Republic, who are showing incredible generosity in large just
Speaker 1: in allowing these nex Nazi imperials to reintegrate with society
Speaker 1: and a high level given jobs, et cetera, shouldn't they
Speaker 1: have some sort of security measures just to make sure
Speaker 1: nobody's out here like trying to do empire stuff. Not
Speaker 1: to mention, we should say, the Empire well known for
Speaker 1: using mind programming techniques, very serious mind programming techniques. And
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna be generous to these people and
Speaker 1: not just like line them up against the wall as
Speaker 1: the Empire would have done, you do have to put
Speaker 1: in measures to make sure that programming is broken, that
Speaker 1: the imperial mindset is not there. And even when there
Speaker 1: wasn't this kind of like you know, heavy heavy mind
Speaker 1: preparation as there were for the start, for the stormtroopers
Speaker 1: and others, there was you know, an unbelievable level of propaganda.
Speaker 1: You know, they lived inside their own imperial like communications bubble,
Speaker 1: like so piercing that I think is important. And so
Speaker 1: while I definitely would quibble with the morality of some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you know Ellie is doing here
Speaker 1: and trapping doctor Penn. I think overall it's a good
Speaker 1: idea which make sure the Imperials are not up to
Speaker 1: neferial even.
Speaker 3: If it's not like imperial shit. It's like, bro, you
Speaker 3: just joined, like, just just don't be breaking these rules
Speaker 3: of going and sneaking on too imperial ships. It looks
Speaker 3: she looks shifty as fuck. I will say as well,
Speaker 3: Elijah using a true time worn informant technique here of
Speaker 3: snitching on other people and setting them up to be
Speaker 3: informants when you are the informant. It's a really common
Speaker 3: real life technique that has it happened in real life.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a really interesting space that
Speaker 2: she's in.
Speaker 3: Also, this maybe seems like this is her job within
Speaker 3: the Empire or within the New Republic like she did.
Speaker 2: The New Recruits.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought this was really interesting. It was
Speaker 3: not what I was expecting. I agree with you, there
Speaker 3: should be. I'm kind of way that that checking in
Speaker 3: on these.
Speaker 2: X Nazis who are now living within that one though,
Speaker 2: I will say what happens next. I again, I'm not
Speaker 2: a fan of what the New Republic choose to do.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of what happens nowt So what
Speaker 1: happens next is they hook pushing up to a mind flare.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a mistake.
Speaker 1: But hold on, hold on before you say anything, the
Speaker 1: Monclomari technician says to Pershing, who's like this the mind flair?
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, we lowered the voltage. The new
Speaker 2: Plassic ones, the New.
Speaker 1: Republic ones operate in a much lower voltage. It will
Speaker 1: give you relief from your imperial programming and it will
Speaker 1: wipe you know, the kind of like troubled imperial memories
Speaker 1: and preconceived you know, consciousness sectors from your mind and
Speaker 1: it will feel great. And it's not mind fling. I
Speaker 1: promise you it's not mind flag. You're gonna love the
Speaker 1: way it flays you. Okay, he trust me, had it
Speaker 1: done myself, and I love it.
Speaker 2: Freshing. I will say this again, just blowing me away.
Speaker 2: This this felt to me very andririan.
Speaker 3: It's this idea of how, like the New Republic, they
Speaker 3: need to do some stuff, but they're getting rid of
Speaker 3: all this Empire technology.
Speaker 2: But they kept the mind.
Speaker 4: Flare and not just that but lower and then arguing
Speaker 4: essentially like they're basically these are the things that they
Speaker 4: used to say about giving women electric shock therapy that
Speaker 4: they still do say about using it on people.
Speaker 3: You know, I just I thought this was it was
Speaker 3: this great balance and this is.
Speaker 2: So good in the writing.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious because of the way the mon Kalamari delivers it,
Speaker 3: but it's really chilling. And even though you're like, ashit,
Speaker 3: what the fuck, bro, You're like, this went really deep,
Speaker 3: really quickly. This like wrong direction where you're just like
Speaker 3: mind flayers. You're like, guys, literally listen to the name,
Speaker 3: don't do it, but do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 1: Again, we've lowered the vaultage and we prefer to call
Speaker 1: them mind Yeah, we're not We're not quite flaying. There
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a lot of textural Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I will say. He looked very chill when they first
Speaker 2: thaw it, like he enjoying your Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Pershing is then arguing, hey, wait it first of all,
Speaker 1: before you turn the flayir on like I was entrapped.
Speaker 1: It was Ellie.
Speaker 2: He then says very funnily to the Moncli Mari. It
Speaker 2: was a trapped in absolutely wonderful statement.
Speaker 1: We see Ellie watching from the other side of the window,
Speaker 1: which is weird. You shouldn't be allowed to do this.
Speaker 3: You JUSTI this is a sadistic good choice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also like this is just bad trade craft from the
Speaker 1: Coruscant police, Like you shouldn't let your informer. You should
Speaker 1: arrest your informer as well and be like you're both
Speaker 1: taken into customs. So like the person has no idea
Speaker 1: who ratted a mat. This is a great informant.
Speaker 3: You make a great point, and I think this again
Speaker 3: showcases what we were talking about about the early days
Speaker 3: of the New Republic and where they are in this
Speaker 3: kind of like bureaucratic space. Because the other cop who's
Speaker 3: in there with hers kind of the the mind flayer technician.
Speaker 2: He's just like the mind what do you do? What
Speaker 2: do you do? Honey? How is working on a tough
Speaker 2: day of mind flawing fight ten minds?
Speaker 3: You know, accidentally nudged it when I was reaching for
Speaker 3: my coffee and flayed it instead of jostling it flatd
Speaker 3: guy today played ten guys O dear, like he's literally
Speaker 3: just in there, like you're incredible.
Speaker 2: This is the ship, like this is You're so good
Speaker 2: at what you do. This is why you're here.
Speaker 3: He's like, for every failure, like this man in front
Speaker 3: of us, there is a success, and you are that success.
Speaker 2: In informing on these people. And I'm just like these
Speaker 2: these guys they're as they're at. Sometimes they are as
Speaker 2: silly as pershing for not seeing what is clearly going
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 1: Yes, completely agree. Uh so elliot is like, man, this
Speaker 1: is crazy to watch this.
Speaker 2: You know, just definitely be flaying before. I do not believe.
Speaker 1: The technician is like, hey, you can leave. You don't
Speaker 1: have to stay here, and she's like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: got it. If you want to take a breast or break,
Speaker 1: I will watch.
Speaker 2: She's like, he's my friend. I need to watch, you know.
Speaker 1: Like he was wrong, but like there's a connection there
Speaker 1: and I just I want to be here for him.
Speaker 1: The tech then leaves her alone, which is.
Speaker 2: Like, and so does everyone else. Calmar why everyone's just leaving?
Speaker 1: Don't this is like, don't leave a candle on in
Speaker 1: an unattended in a room. Don't leave someone hooked up
Speaker 1: to a mind flare and walk away.
Speaker 2: Stay there in the whole time. If we are. If
Speaker 2: we are, as we have been saying that you should.
Speaker 3: Be keeping a better eye on the holistic existence of
Speaker 3: ex imperials in your space.
Speaker 2: Don't just leave an.
Speaker 3: Ex imperial with the mind flat. That's a bad idea,
Speaker 3: like the mind flower has one of the most ominous
Speaker 3: names of all time. Don't do it, just don't do it.
Speaker 1: Like so, as soon as the tech leaves, as soon
Speaker 1: as it tech leaves, g cranks up the voltage to
Speaker 1: full mind potentially let all the way slaying. And as
Speaker 1: she's flaying, she cracks open one of those delicious a
Speaker 1: tin of delicious biscuits, Imperial biscuits.
Speaker 2: In case you wondered which side she was on.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's not the force choking you. That's the
Speaker 1: dryness of the biscuit. And she and she just cranks
Speaker 1: one down. Uh in what again is a it is
Speaker 1: a very very over it in your face.
Speaker 2: Yes, she is remains And also as we kind of
Speaker 2: like we we kind of touched on it.
Speaker 3: But when she informs on uh pershing and he yets caught.
Speaker 3: She is so trusted by the New Republic that she
Speaker 3: takes away the box of imperial tools that he stole,
Speaker 3: so arguably she and whoever she is working for now
Speaker 3: have what they need to start testing on babies and
Speaker 3: building a Palpatine.
Speaker 1: I think what I think what she is trying to
Speaker 1: do here is to say, look at how they treated you.
Speaker 1: They're no better than the In fact, aren't they're just
Speaker 1: the same. Look what they did.
Speaker 2: They said they weren't gonna mind flame. Then they fleeed you.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really sick.
Speaker 1: You should just do you know, you're trying to help.
Speaker 1: If he's realize it, Yeah, I mean this is this
Speaker 1: is almost directly from the Palpatine playbook, which is like, my,
Speaker 1: see what they're trying to do. They're trying to stop
Speaker 1: us from doing good. They're the same as the bad guys,
Speaker 1: aren't they are.
Speaker 2: They Look they're gonna hut you and everyone around you,
Speaker 2: and in this case, you're gonna get your mind flawed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that that's exactly what her play I
Speaker 3: think she definitely was always gonna crank it. I'm interested
Speaker 3: to know if when he basically started being like no,
Speaker 3: it was her she like entrapped me. Like that's when
Speaker 3: she was like, maybe I'll crank you a bit high.
Speaker 2: I see why I can.
Speaker 1: Just make sure we get all of the.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: We go back to the the titular character this show,
Speaker 1: Mandlo and Bo. He's taking her to the covert, his covert,
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, I know I don't need to
Speaker 1: say this, but you're they go by the old ways. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I know that you've not been so fine. You've
Speaker 1: been kind of openly critical, honestly of the old ways,
Speaker 1: not to mention hanging out like in your castle in
Speaker 1: front of her taking your helmet off, so please please, please, okay,
Speaker 1: leave your helmet on. Also, a crocodile can come out
Speaker 1: of that water at anytime, and.
Speaker 2: You need to be ready.
Speaker 1: They land pas Visla is like, hey, what are you
Speaker 1: doing here? Apostate den Jarren, the Mandalorian who's been cast
Speaker 1: out because you took your helmet off dinner is like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'm redeemed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like it's me, Almah Walls. You are
Speaker 2: not redeemed. Like it's not happening for you.
Speaker 1: He's like, actually, that's like no, fuck, I've been redeemed.
Speaker 1: And this is how I went to our home planet.
Speaker 1: I went to the I went to Mandalor and guess
Speaker 1: what it's all lies about how they say it's polluted,
Speaker 1: it's not. You can live there, and you can go there.
Speaker 1: And I went and I bathed in the fucking living waters.
Speaker 1: And Bo is like, yep, that's true. We have been
Speaker 1: to the living waters. And then Din pulls out the
Speaker 1: vial in case anybody dares to question him, the armor,
Speaker 1: let's test fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck this shit. The Armor then runs a test
Speaker 2: on the waters. Uh very SCIENTI okay, she's pouring it
Speaker 2: into some other water and it does something and she's like, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, that's Mandalorian uh living water folks, and uh,
Speaker 1: Din jarn, you are redeemed. This is the way, babe.
Speaker 1: And uh by the way, Bo, who we have a
Speaker 1: lot of political disagreements with you, but you have also
Speaker 1: not removed your helmet in like thirty minutes, But it's
Speaker 1: the thirty minutes since you bathe the living waters. Therefore
Speaker 1: you are redeemed as well.
Speaker 2: As long as you stay domed up, you can.
Speaker 1: Stay with us and Bo. It's the physical acting. Whoever
Speaker 1: is in either of the you.
Speaker 2: Know, he is like, I feel like she's in that suit.
Speaker 1: Because she is, but I think it's Katie and Pedro
Speaker 1: most of the time, but whoever it is, the physical
Speaker 1: acting here is amazing because it's, well, how would that
Speaker 1: being able to see her face? You can tell that Bo,
Speaker 1: while she doesn't want to admit, it feels like feels
Speaker 1: the weight of that acceptance and feels like, on some
Speaker 1: level like she is home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of I love this as well
Speaker 3: because it's really funny because they kind of go, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, you haven't taken off your helmet, right, and
Speaker 3: she's like, no, like casually, and she acts surprised, and
Speaker 3: you get these great shoulder movements and this had boh, look,
Speaker 3: this is Bo. This bitch takes off her helmet everywhere.
Speaker 3: And guess what, they knew it was safe in the minds.
Speaker 3: They knew it was safe on that planet. But after
Speaker 3: she came out of that water, at least subconsciously, she
Speaker 3: kept it on.
Speaker 2: You know. I feel like deep down she.
Speaker 3: Kind of in the back of her mind, like when
Speaker 3: you do when you're a kid, or when you're just
Speaker 3: kind of daydreaming.
Speaker 2: You're like, imagine if this happened, like.
Speaker 3: It seems rare, but I think in her mind she
Speaker 3: had probably played out like what if I went back,
Speaker 3: and they were just like, well, you went in the
Speaker 3: water too, so you're a deem.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really great moment as well, because
Speaker 2: I think this shows a shift in how the Armorer
Speaker 2: sees the Mandalorians, like they need more people.
Speaker 3: And I love this kind of It's very different to
Speaker 3: anything we've seen her do. She's usually very hardcore. But
Speaker 3: the fact that she says to Bo, she's like, look,
Speaker 3: you can leave whenever you want. She's like, if you
Speaker 3: want to take the helmet off, you can go, but
Speaker 3: if you keep it on, you're welcome here. That seems
Speaker 3: to me like that widening of kind of who and
Speaker 3: what a Mandalorian can be. And I think that's gonna
Speaker 3: be an interesting next step.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Why hasn't Beau mentioned anything
Speaker 1: about the Methosaur.
Speaker 2: That's why I want to know. I have a theory.
Speaker 1: You tell me if this I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is what you know, we've seen over the course
Speaker 1: of these last few episodes, how disconnected feels, and I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of good reasons. You know, she's
Speaker 1: had her heartbroken numerous times with regards to the internal
Speaker 1: politics politics of Mandalor or her own connection to Mandalorian identity,
Speaker 1: the genocide of her people, et cetera.
Speaker 2: You know, the inability to do anything.
Speaker 1: About it, all of these things, and and and it's
Speaker 1: only natural that would lead you to wonder, like.
Speaker 2: Are we doing something wrong?
Speaker 1: Like why can't we defend ourselves even when our whole
Speaker 1: ethos is supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be about our house in battle?
Speaker 1: Like what is it about our philosophy that is weakening?
Speaker 1: Is I think that she is has been, you know,
Speaker 1: so divorced from Mandalorian culture to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: she's been openly of it. And I think she's taken
Speaker 1: the apostate identity in some way to heart. And and
Speaker 1: yet this incredible revelation has been delivered to her. The
Speaker 1: mythosaurt is real. And it must be a very lonely
Speaker 1: feeling because not only does do all these people her
Speaker 1: people view her as an outsider, an identity that she
Speaker 1: kind of was coming, you know, some ways towards embracing.
Speaker 1: But now she has this incredible news for them that
Speaker 1: they are going to be blown away, Like they are
Speaker 1: going to take it very emotionally, spiritually, It's going to
Speaker 1: mean a lot. It's this is a historic moment in
Speaker 1: the in the annals of the mandalaring people, and here
Speaker 1: is this person who doesn't believe in any invasion any more,
Speaker 1: and that information has been given to her. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: must it just must be such a weird, strange and
Speaker 1: discomfitting feeling. And I'm sure she just with regardless to
Speaker 1: her not saying anything. She just doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: say it or how it will be received exactly.
Speaker 2: It's really scared.
Speaker 1: About, like what will happen when I say this thing
Speaker 1: to them?
Speaker 2: What woul like?
Speaker 1: It would be heartbreaking on a certain level for her
Speaker 1: to say, guys, the Mithsissaur is real. I saw it,
Speaker 1: and for them to go get the fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and why would they believe? I think you
Speaker 3: summed it up so succinctly. I think she's I think
Speaker 3: there's two levels to it, and you basically eloquently put
Speaker 3: it across in the perfect way. But I would say
Speaker 3: overwhelmed and shocked, like she's in shock this thing exists.
Speaker 3: She saw it, and she has already worked out very
Speaker 3: quickly that she is the only one who saw it.
Speaker 3: She has no backup, she has no one to you know,
Speaker 3: collaborate her story.
Speaker 2: And I just.
Speaker 3: Think it's like like you said, it's that it's kind
Speaker 3: of incredible narrative storytelling that the one person who doesn't
Speaker 3: believe Eve is given.
Speaker 2: This burden of truth, you know.
Speaker 3: And then like you said, I mean that this is
Speaker 3: obviously in a way super heavily on her because the
Speaker 3: episode ends with her looking at the Mythosaur on the wall,
Speaker 3: the kind of logo of the Mandalorian and not telling people. Also,
Speaker 3: I think another added layer is you get she turns
Speaker 3: up Pasvisla, doesn't believe them, doesn't want to hear about it.
Speaker 3: That cements in her mind, oh, well, they're not gonna
Speaker 3: believe me. Then she's welcomed into the fold, and there's
Speaker 3: this incredible moment of kind of camaraderie at the end
Speaker 3: when everyone says this is the way and they kind
Speaker 3: of welcome them in and they hug them and stuff,
Speaker 3: and then she's like, well, fuck, like now I found
Speaker 3: this kind of like acceptance and home and I got
Speaker 3: to tell these people there's a mythysaur. And then she
Speaker 3: is also someone who has wielded the Dark Saber. Arguably
Speaker 3: I believe she could have taken it back after having
Speaker 3: it last episode. I think there's like an interesting thing there,
Speaker 3: but she knows what it is to be a legendary
Speaker 3: Mandalorian who wields a legendary thing, and what is the
Speaker 3: legend of the mythsaur Mandalorians ride them? So then does
Speaker 3: that set up this kind of inflict between her and
Speaker 3: whoever else does it? The fact that she saw it
Speaker 3: mean she is the one who's gonna ride it or
Speaker 3: will she end up being pushed aside? So Din or
Speaker 3: another Mandlauring can write it. There's so many interesting layers,
Speaker 3: but let's just say this. I think what we can
Speaker 3: say is we're gonna be going back to Mandalor this season.
Speaker 2: That is my prediction. Ohly, even if she only tells Din.
Speaker 1: Lastly, it really feels like with the middle piece of
Speaker 1: this episode, we're heading towards Snoke, right, We're gonna let's
Speaker 1: find out that's what it's gonna be. We're gonna find
Speaker 1: the origins of Snoke. It's gonna be Palpatin's DNA, some
Speaker 1: of Grogu's horrifically, some of Grogu's DNA, and who knows
Speaker 1: what else. But it feels like that's yeah, I think
Speaker 1: connection towards.
Speaker 3: Snow, and I think I think we're heading towards how
Speaker 3: they resurrected Palpatine, which was this kind of this this
Speaker 3: amalgamation of blood from his bloodline, you know, mixed with
Speaker 3: probably baby Yoda's blood.
Speaker 2: Poor baby.
Speaker 3: I don't like what it says for the baby, but
Speaker 3: I am very interested. I thought, I think if they
Speaker 3: lean into that and Dorian more politically nuanced, like in depth,
Speaker 3: and we had a lot of laughs talking about it,
Speaker 3: because that's just how we enjoy talking about this stuff.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot there. It's deep, it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of upsetting, it's really unsettling. I think that is
Speaker 3: the way to explore and add gravitas to what felt like, Oh,
Speaker 3: we just want to bring Palpatine back, and I would
Speaker 3: love to see that.
Speaker 2: I think great.
Speaker 3: Call on on Snooke being our first stopping gap. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, Jon Favreau's talked about the Mandalorian. I don't
Speaker 3: think he said he doesn't really know how many seasons
Speaker 3: it's going to go, So I think Palpatine would probably
Speaker 3: be later. But I think we can assume that we're
Speaker 3: heading towards the sequel trilogy. Now, what does that mean
Speaker 3: for who we will see or what we will hear
Speaker 3: about that's very interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Well, a really media episode. I was shocked when it
Speaker 1: came in at like fifty three minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, longest longest one so far.
Speaker 1: I think I can't wait to see where this goes
Speaker 1: up next.
Speaker 2: Nerd Out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In today's nut Out, will you tell us what you love?
Speaker 2: Am why?
Speaker 3: Or a theory that Eric excites shah listena Ike brings
Speaker 3: an RPGA's mindset to the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: Hi Yang One strong thought I couldn't stop having since
Speaker 1: seeing the Mandalorian Season three Episode two was about bestcar
Speaker 1: they've already shown. The metal is incredibly rare, super useful
Speaker 1: and can be reforged in the creepy monster's layer on Mandalor.
Speaker 1: There are just heaps of helmets and armor and stuff
Speaker 1: laying around. If I'm Boca ten or gin Ordnjarren, I'd
Speaker 1: be filling my ship with that stuff.
Speaker 2: You'd be set for life.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the RPG gamer in me, but they need
Speaker 1: to be looting that dungeon. Not even a word about it.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna ignore piles of precious metal armor. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's a world Bird upgrade in there. Just look at it.
Speaker 1: It can't hurt to try best, Ike, right, boy, I
Speaker 1: mean it is like a great point. There's like a
Speaker 1: there's billions of credits like mad lawyer r.
Speaker 3: I would be smashing every jaw, you know, every every
Speaker 3: part to see what is hidden inside.
Speaker 2: I would assume that the plain answer is.
Speaker 3: People thought that Mandolo was poisoned, so they didn't go there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the the propaganda about the place
Speaker 1: has held And I and further, you know, it's unclear
Speaker 1: to me that any you know, other than this person
Speaker 1: who then you know, intersected with the jaws. It's not
Speaker 1: clear to me that very many people at all have
Speaker 1: ever even dared to go there. Like it's it's very
Speaker 1: possible that it was just whoever that one individual was.
Speaker 1: So I think that it's it might be that. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there's a scientific reason for everybody to believe
Speaker 1: that the planet is poisoned. But I think that I
Speaker 1: think that probably most people just assume that it's poisoned,
Speaker 1: which is why they haven't gone there. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with I agree with you Ike, Like next thing
Speaker 1: should be go there and get all the stuff that's
Speaker 1: useful and get it out.
Speaker 3: Although the one person, and I will say should have
Speaker 3: been doing this earlier. Is Bokatan Babe, you knew it
Speaker 3: wasn't poisoned. You told Dinn it wasn't poisoned. You should
Speaker 3: have been in there with your crew raiding all that
Speaker 3: Best Scar. Maybe you we'll find out you did raid
Speaker 3: some of it.
Speaker 2: But I think it would be interesting.
Speaker 3: I do think that this is likely gonna be a
Speaker 3: plot point going forward, because if they're trying to rebuild
Speaker 3: Mandolin and Bestcar is incredibly rare, the fact that there
Speaker 3: is at least some in the minds gives them a
Speaker 3: reason to go, even.
Speaker 2: If they don't believe Bo about the mythosole.
Speaker 3: Also, I will say, I think because of Dinn's obsession
Speaker 3: with being redeemed and that happening, and then Bo see
Speaker 3: this legendary creature that she didn't know if or believe in,
Speaker 3: I think that they're both that is probably at the
Speaker 3: back of their mind, even though they should absolutely be
Speaker 3: be rayed in the dungeon.
Speaker 1: About this hair brain tinfoil head theory under some not all,
Speaker 1: because I think the timelines don't quite line up. Some
Speaker 1: of the materials used to build Star Killer Base come
Speaker 1: from mandalor.
Speaker 3: Ooh see, now you're talking I love this. I love
Speaker 3: imagining the connections. I mean, why not they are taking all.
Speaker 1: This material there, metal of you know, incredibly strong metal,
Speaker 1: other types of mind.
Speaker 2: We also know that they weapons of our kids.
Speaker 3: We also know that the First Order Troopers were orphaned
Speaker 3: babies and kids that they stole. Very likely that some
Speaker 3: of them would know of Manned the Law, maybe it
Speaker 3: had heard rumors of it or had family from there.
Speaker 3: It would not at all be a stretch to imagine
Speaker 3: that may come into play, which would also be great
Speaker 3: because again it adds more of that conflict between Mandalor
Speaker 3: and Din's two sides of like the Force and Mandalor
Speaker 3: and going against you know, this kind of fascistic New
Speaker 3: Force user.
Speaker 2: I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Now, the timelines are a little fuzzy because the construction
Speaker 1: on Star Killer happened like way way earlier than this,
Speaker 1: But maybe some of the materials, you know, to build
Speaker 1: the super weapon or something I could imagine that happening anyway,
Speaker 1: great question, Ike, Thank you so much. If you have
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