WEBVTT - Star Wars: The Mandalorian S3 Ep 3

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek The Pod Directive, the official Star Trek podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>is back for season three. Journey with Lower Decks cast

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<v Speaker 1>members Tawny Newsome, Very Funny and the wonderful Paul F.

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<v Speaker 1>Tompkins through discussions about all things in the Star Trek universe.

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<v Speaker 1>This season, go behind the scenes of hit shows with

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<v Speaker 1>the guests from Deep Space nine and the Next Generation,

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<v Speaker 1>and explore the impact of the franchise, including pick Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Season three.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to Star Trek The Pod Directive every Tuesday, March seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast canning spoilers for season three, episode three of

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<v Speaker 1>The Mandalorian.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Knight,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to story Vision.

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<v Speaker 1>The Crooked media podcast where we dive deep but to

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<v Speaker 3>In this episode, we are stepping out of the airlock

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<v Speaker 3>and into an unexpectedly diverted episode of.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mandalorians Dorian.

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<v Speaker 3>One might say it was very Andorian season three episode

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<v Speaker 3>of The Mandalorian, though there is very little Mandalorian and

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<v Speaker 3>even less Baby Booo. But it's a good episode in

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<v Speaker 3>that out listener, I has thoughts about The Mandalorian season

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<v Speaker 3>three episode two from last.

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<v Speaker 1>Week, and uh, as always, if you want to jump around,

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<v Speaker 1>check the show notes for the time stance. We understand

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<v Speaker 1>there have been some issues with the timestamps and their accuracy.

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<v Speaker 1>We're working on it, but it's somewhat out of our hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Just bear with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next to the airlock, stepping out of the airlock

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<v Speaker 1>and back onto the beautifully constructed surface of coruscon thriving

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<v Speaker 1>the duel of the galaxy for season three, episode three

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<v Speaker 1>of The Mandalorian on Disney Plus, Chapter nineteen, The Convert

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<v Speaker 1>written by Noah Clurer and John Favreau, directed by Academy

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<v Speaker 1>Award nominee Lee Isaac Chung. Folks, let's get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>so we we open up right after we ended the

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode by the living waters under the mines of Mandalor.

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<v Speaker 1>Din wakes up beside Bokatan, who just saved his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Grogu is very cutely standing over him, looking concerned, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dinn's very very first thought, first thing on his lips,

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<v Speaker 1>I am redeemed.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like he's ready, I know it's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Boagrees, and she's like, yeah, you did it. You you

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<v Speaker 2>bathe in the living waters.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very clear that Dinn passed out before the mythica,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Bo is just ready to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>there because she's really processing what she saw. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>can we leave? Din wisely takes a vial of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Is proof?

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<v Speaker 2>Wisely? I say yeah, especially as we just wouldn't have gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So he really like he made it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're going to go get the proof. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>this will be a retiring question in this episode, but Bogatan,

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<v Speaker 3>why keeping that mythoso safe? Why keeping a secret?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very very interesting to me. More on that in

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. Uh Bo then quizzes Din a little further,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like did you see anything at all? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you sure you didn't see anything before you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like before you passed out. He's like, no, not at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh he says, well, I did see like

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<v Speaker 1>a chasm of some kind.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so deep, It was so deep down.

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<v Speaker 1>And she says, well, maybe the Imperial bombs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>during the purge must have opened a fissure or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Anything anything alive or anything. Nope, Okay, They

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<v Speaker 1>head back to Kalavalah to get Mando's ship in thanks bow.

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<v Speaker 1>They both give you know, the their cursory this is

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<v Speaker 1>the ways, and just then Grogu says something in a

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<v Speaker 1>very kind of cute all as always, but serious tone

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And then right then the ship comes under

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<v Speaker 1>attack from Thai interceptors, the kind of upgraded.

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<v Speaker 2>Gun tie fighters.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really at this stage in the timeline, we know

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<v Speaker 3>that those are probably connected to mof Gideon or his

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<v Speaker 3>little cult. This is not like a normal empire attack.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of mention of imperial warlords, these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like remnants of the Empire that splintered off to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like do their own thing. And the idea is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think, uh, you know, the at least

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that they Bo and Dinner probably dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe this is something like that or mof Gideon.

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<v Speaker 1>Mando gets on the guns, Boh stays on the stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Really cool sequence where Bo brings the ship screaming over

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<v Speaker 1>her castle and Mando drops out of a door of

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<v Speaker 1>the ship using his jets so you can get in

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<v Speaker 1>the end one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's super cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Grogho, you know, flipping the cover of this little pod closed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we get a really great dog fight. Great

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone except for our five and the Ties themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Our five is like not ready for this level of stress.

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<v Speaker 2>He is an anxious boy.

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<v Speaker 1>We get a trademark Star Wars Canyon Run. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>even a Star Wars dog.

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<v Speaker 2>F there's no canyone, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the guys at ILM who are really

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<v Speaker 3>showing their skills him. Yeah, this is another episode where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I feel like the way they're diverting money

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<v Speaker 3>to the MCU and to Star Wars is not making sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm happy with how good the Mandalorian looks. It

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<v Speaker 2>also might.

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<v Speaker 3>Because ILM is like probably doing a lot of this

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<v Speaker 3>work in house or at least designing it, that this

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<v Speaker 3>shit looked so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks if you watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>On an Imax you would be like, this is fucking unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is trademark really Star Wars action.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look two CG. Yeah, any top of quality

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's this is epic and I'm I love I

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that there's like a little board ILM and they're

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<v Speaker 3>like Canyon Run, Like if there's a film that has

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<v Speaker 3>to be a canyon run, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it would not shock me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure somebody with more technical skills could do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure they have templates for like seven different

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<v Speaker 1>canyon runs sitting in your computer animation files. So they

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<v Speaker 1>just go put another canyon run, put another put just

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<v Speaker 1>reskin it differently and then put it in anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>looked great. They fall into a really easy chemistry Bow

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<v Speaker 1>and Mando. Bow leads the ties while Mando comes up

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<v Speaker 1>behind them to pick them off one by one. Then

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<v Speaker 1>finally to take out the last one, Bo pulls it,

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<v Speaker 1>hits the brakes, pulls a one to eighty, takes out

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<v Speaker 1>the last tie fighter as our five completely just blacks

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<v Speaker 1>out from stress.

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<v Speaker 3>Mad for him, it's like, though, you know those videos

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<v Speaker 3>of people who go on those catapults at carnivals, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they just and they just pass out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's off five. In this moment, He's like, nah.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly he would not have wanted to see the next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Bo's castle, get completely wiped out by a

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<v Speaker 1>further squadron of ties. Bo is At first, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>Bo's gonna be mad about like the people that live

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<v Speaker 1>and work in her house. But she's I think she

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<v Speaker 1>was really just more mad about the house.

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<v Speaker 2>She's mad about the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the funny thing is like in her like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's put it in in the Edcomma's defense, like we've

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<v Speaker 3>only seen droids in that I would be sad about

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<v Speaker 3>the droids. Bo, you should be sad, but like we

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen it flog. But she just cause she's like,

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<v Speaker 3>that was my castle. Do you know how it is

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<v Speaker 3>to come across a castle in the galaxy when all

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<v Speaker 3>your people have left you and you had apostate But

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<v Speaker 3>I had a castle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone. And this is like, okay, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>A big barrage, Like this is I mean, they this

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<v Speaker 1>meant a lot of bombs blowing out.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first hint and I think the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>direct kind of connection to what this episode is really about,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what we're going to skip to in a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>because like, as they point out, they say, like that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of ships for an imperial warlord, and you

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<v Speaker 3>got to think, like who has that many ships and

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<v Speaker 3>who would waste that many bombs on this?

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<v Speaker 1>And it certainly seems like something beyond Mofkeineon's pay grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Bo is furious.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to take out the ties and bombed her house.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there's a whole hornets worth of ties

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<v Speaker 1>coming at them, and so Mando sends both some cordinates

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<v Speaker 1>and they jump hyperspace to go somewhere. We go to

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<v Speaker 1>Danda Da Da Coruscant. We see our good friend and

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<v Speaker 1>mortal enemy. And mortal enemy I use that, I use

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<v Speaker 1>that phrase, you know, Catholic. Yeah, our friend Doctor Pershing,

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<v Speaker 1>former Imperial collaborator, former will put in air quotes, is

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<v Speaker 1>speaking before a large audience at the Opera House from

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<v Speaker 1>the Revenge of the sith Uh. He is free and

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<v Speaker 1>able to give these public talks that are very very

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<v Speaker 1>well attended thanks to the amnesty program that the New

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<v Speaker 1>Republic runs, which allows those who cooperated with the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>and its remnants to join New Republic society. Doctor Pershing says,

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<v Speaker 1>there were many of us who had no choice, none,

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<v Speaker 1>I say, in working for the Empire. But now the

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<v Speaker 1>New Republic has given us a second chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would just say, just in case you don't

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<v Speaker 3>immediately recognize him, you lost saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was doing days German.

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<v Speaker 3>They the baby at the behest of Werner Herzog. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is not like this is not like a stormtrooper

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<v Speaker 3>who was like kidnapped or drafted in or something. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a scientist who is using his science to test

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<v Speaker 3>on the world's cutest baby, the galaxy's cutest baby.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know he wants a second chance.

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<v Speaker 3>This is very interesting to learn about this amnesty, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think this episode has some quite interesting I really

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<v Speaker 3>like that me too. I also think this episode has

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<v Speaker 3>some interesting parallels with our other Pagro show that we

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<v Speaker 3>just said goodbye to the Last of Us when it

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<v Speaker 3>looks at like the way that people take over and

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<v Speaker 3>change from like fascistic regimes. There's lots of interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>all kind of comparisons in this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an episode that is a lot about bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's favorite Star Wars topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely George Lucas's favorite Star Wars topic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's feeling very prequels.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby Pershing admits that his former research was cruel or

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<v Speaker 1>at least was employed for cruel means in cruel ways,

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<v Speaker 1>and he lays all the responsibility for that quote. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>intent on using cloning technology to secure more power for himself,

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<v Speaker 1>probably talking about maf Gideon, but who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also, let's remember the last time in the

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars canon that we saw somebody return via a

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<v Speaker 3>cloning technique.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's more on that in a bit. Let's let's put

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<v Speaker 1>a pin on that for now. But I think a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing to be thinking about. Doctor Pershing then continues it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he hopes that he'd be able to use

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<v Speaker 1>his skills as a genetic scientist to help the New Republic,

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<v Speaker 1>and he talks about in a very Elizabeth Holmes moment.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about the loss of his mother and how

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<v Speaker 1>her organ cloning. You know, if only I could have

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<v Speaker 1>cloned a new heart for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have saved her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Pershing's work, which is, you know, built on the foundation

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<v Speaker 1>laid by the camino In researchers, who of course produced

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<v Speaker 1>and delivered the cloned Soldiers prequel Siren Gards.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is all about splicing the DNA dunt dunt

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<v Speaker 1>dum of numerous individuals together to create a single, stronger

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<v Speaker 1>genetic sequence in one individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound familiar, sound familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go into that in more detail quite soon after

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<v Speaker 1>the speech. Pershing hop knobs with some of the New

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<v Speaker 1>Republic elites. They're feeding him they think it's wonderful what

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about. However, these are like the most cynical

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<v Speaker 1>politicians imaginable. They were politicians under the public, under the Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and now under the new Republic, to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>one of these uh, these elites can't even remember like

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<v Speaker 1>event one, which which one was? Which his wife has

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, no, no, no, honey, that was the Republic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, who can even who can even do?

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<v Speaker 3>They will live in life, they will live in the

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<v Speaker 3>high life. No, ma, who was in charge? That's right,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's still living now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And they see in Pershing something of a reflection of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a lesser evolved version of themselves, survivors who just

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<v Speaker 1>want to do what they do and don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>who's paying the bills as long as they keep getting

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, whether it's acquiring wealth or getting to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, attend fancy talks at the opera house, or,

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of Pershing, performing grotesque genetic experiment on

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<v Speaker 1>very very cute babies. How Da, Pershing lives at Amnesty House,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of halfway house. He arrives home late

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<v Speaker 1>that night and he he gets to meet some of

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<v Speaker 1>the fellow former Imperials who also live there. Everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>to wear like a kind of like dumbed down version

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<v Speaker 1>of their old uniform, same kind of cut, with these

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<v Speaker 1>special red pins that identify them as ex imperials. They

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<v Speaker 1>invite him Pershing for a drink, and Pershing recognizes one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, G sixty eight from mof gideon Ship.

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<v Speaker 2>They used to work together. The mention of Gideon kind

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<v Speaker 2>of changes the mood.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned that he was on trial for war crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>for crimes against the galaxy, but as either escaped or

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<v Speaker 1>that's a cover story for him dying while being mind flawed.

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<v Speaker 2>No one really knows.

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<v Speaker 1>G sixty eight then makes all the right you know,

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<v Speaker 1>makes all the right kind of notions about integrating with

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<v Speaker 1>the New Republic and how important that is to her,

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<v Speaker 1>But she does it in a very kind of robotic

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<v Speaker 1>way that makes you think, like, does she really want

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<v Speaker 1>to integrate with the rule?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? K, And then they then toast to the new Republic.

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<v Speaker 3>Kat E O'Brien is so great in this role she

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<v Speaker 3>played with Kerrella in Aman and the Wasp Quantumnia. She's

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<v Speaker 3>so good is she's so menacing. I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>say something. I'm not trying to get back on a

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<v Speaker 3>Arlene's style hype against the New Republic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to instill loyalty and give people a

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of some kind of redemption or a part of

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<v Speaker 3>being able to be part of society, probably like let

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<v Speaker 3>them use their names and don't give them Stormtrooper esque

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<v Speaker 3>like numerical kind of I think that that.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. This is early day, So the point is

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<v Speaker 2>this is all.

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<v Speaker 3>Bureaucratic, right, and everyone's trying stuff out, So this is

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<v Speaker 3>like you've got so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>They even make a point.

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<v Speaker 3>About that, But like G sixty eight, I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 3>could just be like you're not part of the Empire.

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<v Speaker 3>Now now you get a name, Like now you can

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<v Speaker 3>what's your name? I feel like there's many interesting This

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<v Speaker 3>is a This is very Andorian because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff in this that is about the Republic trying

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<v Speaker 3>its best but still making some of the same mistakes

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<v Speaker 3>as the Empire, and I think they're much smaller mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>But I found this to be a very interesting one,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the arc that the characters go on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stick up for the New Republic here.

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<v Speaker 1>I do agree that this is it's dehumanizing, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessarily so. But even but as the imperials themselves note,

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<v Speaker 1>if this had been in the empire in charge, all

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<v Speaker 1>the ex republic soldiers would have just been fallen into

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<v Speaker 1>a Sarlac pitt and you know, executed en mass in

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<v Speaker 1>their millions and billions.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably it's a very good point.

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<v Speaker 1>So so this is actually like not a you know, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a miss here with the with the numerical names,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are working to integrate them into new Republic society,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to you have to hand it to them.

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<v Speaker 3>You absolutely have to hand it to them, where you

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<v Speaker 3>do not absolutely have to hand it to money. I

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<v Speaker 3>will not hand it to the Republican Republic, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will let you hand it to them. But also I

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<v Speaker 3>will say this scene is so good ten out of ten.

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<v Speaker 3>All these actors. They bring such an interesting like depth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very quiet, it's very Andorian, it's very much in

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of morally gray area of there are you

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<v Speaker 3>can see like.

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<v Speaker 2>And G sixty eight as we will call her.

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<v Speaker 3>They were quite high up. But it seems from the

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<v Speaker 3>others that you might have some like stormtroopers here some grunts,

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<v Speaker 3>some people who really probably didn't want to be in

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<v Speaker 3>that situation, and there's this kind of like real grounded

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<v Speaker 3>honesty to this scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just really, this was when the switch.

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<v Speaker 3>Between what we usually expect from the Mandalorianto. This, this,

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of seemed really sold it to me. X

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<v Speaker 3>Ray Vision will be back, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>They all start reminiscing about stuff they missed from the Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're careful to be like not the not the

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<v Speaker 1>destroying planets.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't say like yeah yeah, don't yeah yeah, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Gray Socks, the Gray Special, the hot water Pressure was

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<v Speaker 2>really really good on the store.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's really I actually thought that was a

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<v Speaker 3>really great moment as well to highlight this like weird,

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<v Speaker 3>complex situation that the New Republics got themselves into. Because

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<v Speaker 3>immediately Pashon's like, well, you know, I just loved and

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<v Speaker 3>they're like no, no, no, don't say.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything about it. No no, no, you're talking about like you

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<v Speaker 2>loved having the science to test on a baby. Like

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<v Speaker 2>now they're like, yeah, they'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk if they're like, we don't want to erase your experience,

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<v Speaker 3>but also like don't talk about genocide. Just be like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the mundane day to day things you know that you

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<v Speaker 3>missed living under the Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Empire had a box at the pod races

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<v Speaker 1>and exactly like you get to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Like sitting and looking out at the galaxy in the messo,

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<v Speaker 3>like those are the kind of things they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>And hilariously, I guess it turns out they weren't actually

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<v Speaker 3>many good things about the Empire, just one and they.

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<v Speaker 1>All agreed and pushing brings it up. It's the biscuits,

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<v Speaker 1>the travel biscuits in your little mual ration kit apparently

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<v Speaker 1>quite good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of them's like I don't want it. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want it, but the other ones, like these were banging.

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<v Speaker 1>They mostly agreed later that night. Pershing is like reading

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<v Speaker 1>up on the culture and society of Coursan, just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get acclimated, you know, the big city. She spent

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<v Speaker 1>so much time kind of ensconced on a ship that

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of a lot of ways is like

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<v Speaker 1>a small city that flies through the space, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But like now he's on.

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<v Speaker 1>This huge, vast planet size city and he's feeling out

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<v Speaker 1>of place, and he's reading about it when there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ring of his doorbell and he goes outside and he

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<v Speaker 1>finds the travel biscuits laying there. We get to see

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Pershing's work life. He works doing

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<v Speaker 1>data entry in the archives, and we later learned that

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing is cataloging imperial hardware that has been captured,

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<v Speaker 1>decommissioned weapons ships, all the things that are on the ships,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's cataloging them and so they can eventually be destroyed.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to jump in ahead. New Republic Syney,

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<v Speaker 3>she's back at it. I don't like the Empire, just

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<v Speaker 3>need to specify that and not supporting the Empire. Glad

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<v Speaker 3>the Empire has gone. But I found one thing. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of all that stuff. That's stupid. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>have anything. Keep that stuff, repurpose it. That would be

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<v Speaker 3>better on a less logical point, but a more of

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<v Speaker 3>like a thing that I thought was really powerful about

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. I kind of like how Pershing's job and

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<v Speaker 3>the tone of it and the vibe of his life.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels very similar to Cyril Khns Like it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like the New Republic some of the stuff that they

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<v Speaker 3>could take on from the Empire, the kind of data

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<v Speaker 3>entry and the day to day mundanity of the lower

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<v Speaker 3>level people is just still there and the same. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's not necessarily a judgment on them. It's just something

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<v Speaker 3>I found really interesting and I thought was smart because

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<v Speaker 3>it's true for a lot of people, your life on

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<v Speaker 3>the lowest level of society probably wouldn't like materially change immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought it was really interesting that he had

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of mind numbingly boring job where he mostly

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<v Speaker 3>just interacted with droids.

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<v Speaker 2>It really reminded me of Cyril early on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good car. I will once again

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<v Speaker 1>lightly stick up for you this time in that when

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<v Speaker 1>we eventually go to the shipyard, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is torn out of it, so stuff has been

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<v Speaker 1>scavenged out of it. But now I will criticize the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican say, I mean, this guy's got to have supervision.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't let this. He shouldn't be the one doing

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<v Speaker 2>this job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like ex Empire people cannot be the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are like, you know, like writing the catalog of history

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<v Speaker 1>here without anybody looking over his shoulder.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like, also, you know, specifically this man, like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there's probably a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 3>the empire who were doing like different kinds of jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Who that is kind of a punishment in itself because

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<v Speaker 3>very mundane and it's in the office. This man guess

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<v Speaker 3>what he needs to do his work, very specific imperial technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess what you are giving him access to it all times,

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<v Speaker 3>the knowledge of a very specific imperial technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this guy should be this guy should be

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<v Speaker 1>like sweeping the streets of course on like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even both.

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<v Speaker 2>Like be happier. He's very criminal and he's very like

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<v Speaker 2>conflicted in his kind of space.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the best thing to do is take him

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<v Speaker 3>out of anywhere where he could be thinking about doing

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<v Speaker 3>tests on babies for dodgy Nazi science.

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, just like let him creep a street. He

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<v Speaker 2>can't help it.

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<v Speaker 1>He keeps saying stuff like, well, you know and under

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<v Speaker 1>the right circumstances that this kind of research could be good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like yeah, I mean, like you can throw a

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<v Speaker 1>child like out of an airplane and see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>and you could probably get some good data from Also,

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<v Speaker 1>would you want to do a.

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<v Speaker 3>Great This is really great writing on this episode because he,

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<v Speaker 3>as we will see as the episode goes on, that

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<v Speaker 3>mindset that he has ends up becoming like his undoing

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<v Speaker 3>and this really brute a way, and I love again

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 3>that comparison of like, no, actually, sometimes there isn't something

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.400
<v Speaker 3>good that can come out of a bad thing. It's

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<v Speaker 3>always bad, no matter who uses it, it's always bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the ends and the means are both so terrible

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<v Speaker 1>that there's no reason, you know, the means can be

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<v Speaker 1>so terrible that whatever ends you end up at are

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<v Speaker 1>not worth it. Pershing later on has some ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>cones with G sixty eight to explore corauson.

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<v Speaker 2>Lovely delightful blowing ice cream cones.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been on planet before during her academy days.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, we thought we were doing good. Pershing agrees.

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<v Speaker 1>He also was like, yeah, I thought when I was

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<v Speaker 1>experimenting on that baby, that cute little baby with those

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<v Speaker 1>cute little eyes, I thought I was doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And every yeah, It's like it's like, and everyone who

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<v Speaker 3>was coming and all these different people trying to stop me,

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<v Speaker 3>who seemed like they were on the other side of history,

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<v Speaker 3>they were definitely in the wrong. I was, I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing the right thing, and I definitely wasn't testing this

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<v Speaker 3>baby's midichlorians to see if they could somehow use to

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<v Speaker 3>give someone else medichlorians.

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<v Speaker 2>This was all good, It was all good.

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<v Speaker 1>So gee when we were like blowing up whole planets,

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<v Speaker 1>that was yeah. Anyway, Pershing is like, you know, we

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>were close to some really really cool breakthroughs when they

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>shut us down. And he says, again, in the right hands,

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>our discoveries could have helped a lot of people. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, why don't you keep doing it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like as a hobby, just like at home.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, you went to the Republic New Republic, Now

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<v Speaker 3>you can do that, right, There's no reason you.

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Could just give it up in your yeah, up in

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>your apartment and just like run some tests on them,

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Like what would you need to make that happen? And

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Pershing's like, well, like, unfortunately, the New Republic considers it

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 1>horrifying to.

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Experiment on children. Like unfortunately he.

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.439
<v Speaker 3>Also like New Republic kind of like very aligned with

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.200
<v Speaker 3>the Jedi and that whole like fass things probably not

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna go well to.

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Be tested on medichlorian babies.

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>And she is like, well, you know, you were just

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>falling orders and and it's just following orders, even if

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it's coming from the New Republic, just kind of like

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 1>how we become the Empire, wasn't that isn't that kind

0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>of the same thing. He's like, that makes a lot

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.639
<v Speaker 1>of sense, and she says, you know, sometimes you just

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>got to trust your gut, and if your gut's telling

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you experiment on babies, you.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Gotta do it.

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 3>I have to say, he is to having the most

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 3>unhinged conversations.

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great. I just have to say.

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 3>The performances by wonderful Kat O'Brien and then uh Ahmed

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Abdi who plays uh dr pershing, Like I cannot tell

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 3>you how well they cast this chemistry, Like I willson,

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 3>you believe that she can convince him, and you believe

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 3>that he is like morally weak enough to kind of

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 3>believe that he would be doing the right thing when really,

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, he just wants to keep doing it.

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>But there's just he just wants to keep experimenting. Baby. Yeah,

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>it's so believable and like so bleak. Moreover, I think

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>that this is actually a really.

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Important concept and it's one that I think about all

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the time, which is how very often people's political and

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 1>philosophical beliefs are backfilled to support the thing that they

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>want to do. Yeah, doctor Pershing is like, I'm a

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>good person. Yes I want to experiment on babies. But

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>when I was doing that before, I was forced to

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.199
<v Speaker 1>and now that I want to do it again, I

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>want to do it because something good can happen that

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't allowed to happen last time. And and he's created

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>this and is in the process of creating this entire

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>like ideology around I just want to do horrible genetic experiments.

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>How can I continue to do it? Oh, here's this

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>political philosophy that says, if you want to do good,

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>then you are doing good. That allows me to do it.

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's really I think that a lot of people

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>fall under this, where they create their politics around what

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>they really.

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Were offending that.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And also I think as well as something really

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 3>interesting in the notion of like this is the only

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.719
<v Speaker 3>thing he knows how to do, and rather than actually

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 3>like putting in the work to become valuable in another

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 3>way to the empire, he's clearly incredibly intelligent. He has

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 3>some kind instead of being like, oh, the New Republic,

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 3>like what do you need from me? Like how can

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 3>I help you? And they'll be like you can walk

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 3>up to that, but here's some ideas. He's just like,

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 3>bet they don't know it, but what they really need

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 3>is someone who does genetic testing on babies, fifty three

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 3>year old babies.

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>And after she says sometimes you have to trust your gut,

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>g makes it very very clear that she is part

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of some sort of group of ex imperials who want

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to continue doing imperial stuff, but this time for the good.

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's very, i think, very notable with all the

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>connections that we have mentioned to the latest trilogies that

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>while they're at this you know outdoor you know, walking park,

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>you hear in kind of like Carnival form, the John

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Williams masterpiece. I think, I agree, Force Awakens March of

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>the Resistance, you know when podamer In and the rest

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:15.239
<v Speaker 1>come screaming over the water bomb bomb but bomb, so

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of very conscious ties.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like this is I think one of the most

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 3>interesting things about this episode is it, as we will

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 3>talk about more, it really feels like Favreau and Felony

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>are doing what they do best and coming in to

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of fill in these gaps in Star Wars law,

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 3>but they're also doing the things that they love, which

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 3>is referencing the prequels and trying to build this kind

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 3>of holistic world with the prequels and now as we're

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 3>seeing the sequel trilogy. So it's very interesting. I love

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 3>that March of the Resistance catch too, like what a

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 3>great song.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, you know, as we were talking about

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>off Mic, I think this is very very much in

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the Felony wheelhouse, which is you build out the context

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>around something from Star Wars, and if you do it

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>in a compelling enough way, as he did with Clone Wars,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it lifts up.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The original story.

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, with Clone Wars, obviously it was the prequels,

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>and in this case, perhaps I think we would both

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>argue this is an attempt to lift up the latest,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the most recent.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Trilogy, and specifically I would say like Rise of Skywalker,

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 3>like the Final Entry, kind.

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Of this Skywalker building.

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 3>This context around as we will get to how this

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 3>genetic testing may or may have not been involved in

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 3>the iconic moment where Oscar Isaac delivered the line. Somehow

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Palpatine has returned, Yes, and.

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's where this is. And I

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think the coolest thing is like that is such a

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>maligned moment. Oh forever.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 3>I obviously we love Oscar Isaac in this pod, in

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 3>this house, in this like community, but like I will

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 3>forever love him for being are in character in that moment.

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 3>He didn't want to deliver that line the way he

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>put it across. And if you can turn something like

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 3>that where even the actor was disappointed with the route,

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 3>the film went into a nuanced, interesting look at the conversations.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about science, the ethics of genetic testing. This

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 3>is obviously alluding to and built on, like the fact

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 3>that a lot of contemporary science that we have now

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 3>is based on Nazi science. You know, like this is

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 3>like a real world analogous thing that Stars does so well,

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 3>and they're bringing that in to potentially as we are guessing,

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 3>and I think we are right, especially by the time

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 3>we get to the end of the episode, to bring

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>gravitas and context to what was essentially a throwaway line

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>to do like fan service, and I just think that

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 3>is like really really cool, And like you say, that

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>is the power of what Feloni does and has done.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 3>That is the reason that the prequels are so beloved. Now,

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 3>that is the reason why Hayden got to come back.

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:00.719
<v Speaker 2>He is a huge, huge part of it.

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Obviously, it's the fans and the people who love this stuff,

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 3>but Clone Wars gave people who loved Anakin and wanted

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 3>to see more of him, who had grown up on

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 3>those movies and felt like they were really special to

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 3>them and there was something there even if they didn't

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 3>see it come to life the way they did. And

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 3>it gave people who didn't like them something.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 2>To glob onto.

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 3>And then revisit the prequels and say, oh, well, this

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 3>matters to me now because I know what was going

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:24.479
<v Speaker 3>on in between.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>So I just I think it's really cool.

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 3>And I have to say, when The Mandalorian first came out,

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 3>I definitely thought as soon as they mentioned the babies

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Midichlorians that this was where we were going to go.

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't really hear me like we got here

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>till today.

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 3>So if this episode feels different to that fun, creature

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 3>heavy adventure that we've all been loving, this is why

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 3>this is actually important. This is not an unnecessary diversion.

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 3>This is probably the major thesis of The Mandalorian as

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 3>an arc.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree Pushing attends hit a regular debrief with

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a therapy droid, who is there essentially to make sure

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>that his integration is going smoothly.

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like therapy droid slash like spy like does he really?

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 3>He just wants to know, like, are you gonna be

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>an imperial?

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Like hello?

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Although it's like the honor system like there, he's not

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>looked up to machines. The droid is not oh no,

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>ptenuated too, is not attenuated at all to like pick

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>up any stress in his voice or anything like whatever

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>he tells this droid, the droid is just like okay, yeah,

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>walks away. So you know, he's asked Aryus questions about

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>how his integration is going, does he have any uh,

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>does he have any resentments towards the New Republic? And

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this, he says, hey, quick question,

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>what would happen if I was to, you know, just

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>like as a hobby while I'm driving, you know, yeah,

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>private sy just like a person start pursuing my genetic

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>research on babies one more time, you know.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Just by myself. Also likely be one baby, Like does

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>any really one that could happen? So I'm gonna have

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 2>to hunt down a baby kid and then do it.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>How would that go?

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And the Joid is like that's a hard No. Cloning

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>is illegal under the Corosonic Chords, and you know that

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>is the treaty which ended the civil war and brought

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:16.479
<v Speaker 1>peace to the galaxy, which I am a little shocked

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>that Pershing didn't realize, didn't realize.

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I know, it's it's really you can really see how

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 3>like brainwashed or like in the in the Empire.

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Was because he's like cloning just like fully illegal. Huh.

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, fully, I'm.

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know how in every Star Wars movie, whether

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 3>it's we saw it with our five last episode, like

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, you can just always download what is on

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 3>a droid and like give that information to someone else.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, why are you even asking a New Republic

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 3>droid about cloning if you're trying to do it, Like

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 3>this is a bad idea, You're basically snitching on yourself.

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>But I love he was just like he really didn't know,

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 3>like he really thought it might just be okay by

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>that token.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Also, it it does show that on some level, Pershing,

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it feels like he's really making an honest

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>effort of integrating to New Republics.

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I think he feels like you know what I'm really trying.

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't. But now they're wrong about this, and so

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to go my own. Well, so let's be real.

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 3>He is being like fully manipulated by G sixty eight,

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 3>like she is like.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I think he wanted to do it, but I do think.

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 3>She is like I think he's kind of like a

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 3>weak enough person that if she hadn't been that, he

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 3>probably would have just kept doing his imperial jobs.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>And actually I don't I don't actually fully disagree. We'll

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>get back to that more in a second. So later,

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>after you know, this therapy session, Pershing is like, Okay,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>the New Republic are fucked. What the hell he finds

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like yeah, He's like, you know what, I want

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to go back to work. We're going to do it again.

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, when the New Republic sees the

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>value of my work, I think they'll come around. And

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I love it. You need what do you

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>need to start splicing baby jeans? He says that, uh,

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, wait, I can get.

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>You you know, whatever you need.

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It would just mean just so you know, it means

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>sneaking out of amnes seahouse and breaking some other rules.

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Person's like, well, I don't want to go back to

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>the integration Institute, which was is clearly some other like

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 1>if this is a halfway house, would be like a

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>quarterhouse that's like one step away from being jail. And

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>so he's like, no, I'm not gonna I'm not.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Gonna see that. Okay.

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 3>To me is the moment where I feel like this

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>is not necessarily a moral strength in him that wouldn't

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 3>have made him do this. I just think he's easily led.

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 3>So I think if she wasn't bring him these options,

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 3>he probably would have not done this till somebody else

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 3>did it.

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>But he's not gonna say no.

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't have like the moral core to understand what

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 3>he's doing is wrong.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily disagree. At the same time, there is

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>something fucked up in this guy, you know what I mean.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And at the very least he should not be doing

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the job that he's doing and be given as much

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>free rein as he's given. But I agree with you

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that she is pulling him in for sure. The next

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>day at work, Pershing sees that he's being ordered to

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>destroy a bunch of Imperial files, which contain technical documents,

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>other perhaps valuable information. He's like, hey, can I access

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 1>these to find if there's anything useful here? And that's

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>a no from his boss. He says, listen, we're really

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>busy actually, like his bosses like we're really busy, Like

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>just do as your really the real yeah, when really

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the real answer is, hey, former imperial guy, we're not

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>going to have you like accessing imperial technology is so

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>want it?

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>You shut the fuck up and like go to jail.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 3>His boss is like very kind and like definitely wants

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 3>to be his frid grade.

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Like his boss is like trying to check in on him.

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 3>Also, this is the other thing is like this man,

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 3>I do not know where he got such goal because.

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>When we saw him with was always telling him no, no, no,

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 2>do your job go back in there. No no.

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 3>He never at any point like had someone who he

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 3>could tell what to do.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Like so I'm just like, was he just always like this?

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't understand. And I think it's hard if

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you've never had a passion for experimenting with babies.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I've had to really understand how it.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Drives you and how it becomes an if you have

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.399
<v Speaker 1>watched taken the blood without consent, of a baby full

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of medicoreans.

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 2>You just can't.

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Splice it, you know, with the other DNA. Like the

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>rush of it is just amazing. So after this, uh,

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>this like running with his boss. In a very very

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 1>subtle metaphor, he then takes a big bite out of

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the Imperial biscuits.

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 3>He's feeling nostalgia, and they're gonna become taste of Empire.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna become a very subtle theme throughout the episode.

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 3>He had earlier someone mysteriously a d them off outside

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>of his room, and it's obviously g but now he's

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 3>like snacking, He's feeling nostalgic. He's thinking, Oh, I wish

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.479
<v Speaker 3>I was back working for the Empire, or I could

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:10.800
<v Speaker 3>just experiment on a baby all the time while eating

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 3>some delicious biscuits.

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, he doesn't have questions about how G got those biscuits,

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>because I'm saying.

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, Well he doesn't fully know it's her, even

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.919
<v Speaker 1>though I'm sure he's yeah, like because really, who would

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>have access to imperial biscuits other than an imperial Just say,

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>just another person, another person with a sweet two At

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>his therapy session, his next one, he then lies that

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't feel any anger resentment towards any Republican and

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it's very obvious that he's the same, but the droid

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't catch it. And then he goes straight to jess

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>apartments like let's go, let's fucking do this.

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and there's like Jesse, I just want to say,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.080
<v Speaker 3>there's a moment I love here because this shows again

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 3>like about his like his the way he's just constantly

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 3>convincing himself. He's not doing it because he wants to

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 3>do it. He's doing it because it's good for the

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>New Republic, because he says to afterwards, he's like, is

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 3>role as New Republic like people in the New Republic?

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Is it to do what is best for the New

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Republic no matter what.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>And the Droid's like yeah, broh, and he's like, okay,

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna.

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Test a baby and he just like, hey, I'm like no,

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.280
<v Speaker 1>my therapy droid said, gave me the okay, just told.

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 3>You, like you can't do this. But he's like he's

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 3>like in his head he's created he's turning it into

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 3>a moral crusade when as we can see, it's more

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 3>of like an addiction.

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like also it's illegal, Bruther anyway, Yeah, x

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>ray Vision will be back and we're back, Gee and

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Pushing sneak out of Amnesty Housing. They go down by

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>train to the disposed yards where much of the equipment

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>and files he's been cataloging are held in these decommissioned

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Imperial ships and G's like computer ships have mobile labs, right.

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Pushing is like, I don't really, I don't want to

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>do this, but really he does.

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You can tell he really really? I guess what Bro,

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 2>you could have told around at any point? Yeah?

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>He learns now, absolutely definitively that it was G who

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>got the case of biscuits and this is how she

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>did it by sneaking into the yards. They have to

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 1>jump between train cars and in order to avoid the

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Detroit conductors. Pushing is like getting a real rush out

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of this week with this little mini heist feeling. They're

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:27.240
<v Speaker 1>skulking through the decommissioned Imperial craft and looking for lab stuff.

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 2>G setting the hook.

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>For doctor Pershing like even deeper now is like, you

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm sorry, I never introduced myself to you.

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Back on off Guinning, isn't that crazy?

0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Like think me just walked by each other all the time, Like,

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>isn't it like you're in the bathroom, I'm in the

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 1>cafeteria next door, and then we never talked to Now

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>we're bringing into ships together. I'm Elijah Kane, communication officer,

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and he's like doctor Penn Pershing scientist. And it feels

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>here experiment on babies.

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 3>I experiment on babies, and it feels yeah, she was

0:40:58.239 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the communication officer for fascists.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>But like it does to the.

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 3>To the like success and skill of the showmakers and

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 3>the creatives behind it, Like it feels like a huge

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 3>moment because not only were they nameless underneath the Empire,

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 3>but they're now nameless under the new Republican. Here is

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 3>a moment where they can kind of like being coots,

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 3>even if it's to get stuff to experiment on babies.

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 3>And this idea of sharing the name and the power

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 3>of a name, it's a really great way for her

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.439
<v Speaker 3>to get the hook. That's it, because it feels big,

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 3>it feels like a trust moment. Also, kind of talking

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 3>about this, it makes me think how much a liar

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like one that's a classic Star Wars name.

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 3>She's lying to her name's a liar. I love that

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 3>that's just like the best, silliest, poppiest thing, But also like,

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 3>I love how much she's almost like a cool kid

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 3>at school, because like, at no point should has he

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 3>been given any reason to trust her. He just met her,

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 3>she was on off Gideon ship. He's not considering for

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 3>a moment that this might be someone who betrays you.

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 2>She bit at every point, she's like she's given him

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. She's nice to him. She's like when

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to go, she's like, nah, nah, it'll

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 2>be cool, I promise.

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Is this very interesting kind of weird delayed like adolescence

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 3>that they never got to have being in the Empire.

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 2>But Pershing is just he's he's ridiculous. See he's not good.

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 2>He's not good at this.

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>He's not absolutely falling for it. They eventually find the

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff lab stuff. Pershing is absolutely stoked. He's reminiscing now

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 1>but the first time he walked into it like a

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>really high tech professional lab to experiment on, you know, babies,

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and what a rush it was, and how he always

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a scientist. And Elia, for her part,

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 1>has never got to think about what she wanted to be,

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>which is like an interesting comment that she makes and

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>that suddenly very weight there's noise, Yeah, very weighted. Suddenly

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>there's noise and they see flashlights bobbing, and Doc and

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>G run for it. They're immediately arrested outside the ship.

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>The cops know exactly who Pershing is and what he's

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>here for. It was a setup, and we realized that

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>G sold them out.

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think this is a great twist because to me,

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 3>the way it was going, I felt like she was

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 3>going to sell him out to the Empire and some

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.800
<v Speaker 3>kind of like Empire group, not for any real reason,

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 3>just because she would be like, well, now we've got

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 3>this stuff. But I love that when they turn up

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 3>it's New Republic and she's obviously rising up these ranks quickly.

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I will say, put a pin in that, because I do.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I think she's playing the lot of.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 3>She is she is, But this moment, this little reveal, yeah,

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 3>she sells him out to the New Republic, felt like

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 3>a great twist on what I expected. But then yeah,

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 3>by the time we get to end of the episode,

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>her aims are clear, and it's really great because she

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>is playing the New Republic like a fucking fiddle.

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Now here's where I will say, good idea new Republic.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel bad at all like it was pershing

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and trapped. On a certain level, Yes, absolutely should the

0:43:54.480 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 1>new Republic, who are showing incredible generosity in large just

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>in allowing these nex Nazi imperials to reintegrate with society

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 1>and a high level given jobs, et cetera, shouldn't they

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 1>have some sort of security measures just to make sure

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>nobody's out here like trying to do empire stuff. Not

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 1>to mention, we should say, the Empire well known for

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>using mind programming techniques, very serious mind programming techniques. And

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>so if you're gonna be generous to these people and

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.879
<v Speaker 1>not just like line them up against the wall as

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the Empire would have done, you do have to put

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>in measures to make sure that programming is broken, that

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 1>the imperial mindset is not there. And even when there

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't this kind of like you know, heavy heavy mind

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>preparation as there were for the start, for the stormtroopers

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and others, there was you know, an unbelievable level of propaganda.

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, they lived inside their own imperial like communications bubble,

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>like so piercing that I think is important. And so

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>while I definitely would quibble with the morality of some

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff that you know Ellie is doing here

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 1>and trapping doctor Penn. I think overall it's a good

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 1>idea which make sure the Imperials are not up to

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>neferial even.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 3>If it's not like imperial shit. It's like, bro, you

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 3>just joined, like, just just don't be breaking these rules

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 3>of going and sneaking on too imperial ships. It looks

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.279
<v Speaker 3>she looks shifty as fuck. I will say as well,

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Elijah using a true time worn informant technique here of

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 3>snitching on other people and setting them up to be

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 3>informants when you are the informant. It's a really common

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 3>real life technique that has it happened in real life.

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 2>And I thought that was a really interesting space that

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 2>she's in.

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Also, this maybe seems like this is her job within

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:51.879
<v Speaker 3>the Empire or within the New Republic like she did.

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:55.360
<v Speaker 2>The New Recruits.

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I thought this was really interesting. It was

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 3>not what I was expecting. I agree with you, there

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 3>should be. I'm kind of way that that checking in

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 3>on these.

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 2>X Nazis who are now living within that one though,

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I will say what happens next. I again, I'm not

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 2>a fan of what the New Republic choose to do.

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan.

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of what happens nowt So what

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>happens next is they hook pushing up to a mind flare.

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a mistake.

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>But hold on, hold on before you say anything, the

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Monclomari technician says to Pershing, who's like this the mind flair?

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no no, we lowered the voltage. The new

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Plassic ones, the New.

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Republic ones operate in a much lower voltage. It will

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>give you relief from your imperial programming and it will

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:44.279
<v Speaker 1>wipe you know, the kind of like troubled imperial memories

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and preconceived you know, consciousness sectors from your mind and

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>it will feel great. And it's not mind fling. I

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 1>promise you it's not mind flag. You're gonna love the

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 1>way it flays you. Okay, he trust me, had it

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>done myself, and I love it.

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Freshing. I will say this again, just blowing me away.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>This this felt to me very andririan.

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 3>It's this idea of how, like the New Republic, they

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 3>need to do some stuff, but they're getting rid of

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 3>all this Empire technology.

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 2>But they kept the mind.

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.240
<v Speaker 4>Flare and not just that but lower and then arguing

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 4>essentially like they're basically these are the things that they

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 4>used to say about giving women electric shock therapy that

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 4>they still do say about using it on people.

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I just I thought this was it was

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 3>this great balance and this is.

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>So good in the writing.

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 3>It's hilarious because of the way the mon Kalamari delivers it,

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 3>but it's really chilling. And even though you're like, ashit,

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck, bro, You're like, this went really deep,

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>really quickly. This like wrong direction where you're just like

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.399
<v Speaker 3>mind flayers. You're like, guys, literally listen to the name,

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 3>don't do it, but do whatever you need to do.

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Again, we've lowered the vaultage and we prefer to call

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 1>them mind Yeah, we're not We're not quite flaying. There

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:09.720
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of a lot of textural Yeah,

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is.

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I will say. He looked very chill when they first

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.800
<v Speaker 2>thaw it, like he enjoying your Yeah.

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 1>So Pershing is then arguing, hey, wait it first of all,

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 1>before you turn the flayir on like I was entrapped.

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>It was Ellie.

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 2>He then says very funnily to the Moncli Mari. It

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 2>was a trapped in absolutely wonderful statement.

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>We see Ellie watching from the other side of the window,

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>which is weird. You shouldn't be allowed to do this.

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 3>You JUSTI this is a sadistic good choice. Yeah.

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Also like this is just bad trade craft from the

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Coruscant police, Like you shouldn't let your informer. You should

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>arrest your informer as well and be like you're both

0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 1>taken into customs. So like the person has no idea

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 1>who ratted a mat. This is a great informant.

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 3>You make a great point, and I think this again

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.280
<v Speaker 3>showcases what we were talking about about the early days

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 3>of the New Republic and where they are in this

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 3>kind of like bureaucratic space. Because the other cop who's

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 3>in there with hers kind of the the mind flayer technician.

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 2>He's just like the mind what do you do? What

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 2>do you do? Honey? How is working on a tough

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>day of mind flawing fight ten minds?

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, accidentally nudged it when I was reaching for

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:29.280
<v Speaker 3>my coffee and flayed it instead of jostling it flatd

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:34.320
<v Speaker 3>guy today played ten guys O dear, like he's literally

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 3>just in there, like you're incredible.

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.319
<v Speaker 2>This is the ship, like this is You're so good

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 2>at what you do. This is why you're here.

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 3>He's like, for every failure, like this man in front

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 3>of us, there is a success, and you are that success.

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 2>In informing on these people. And I'm just like these

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>these guys they're as they're at. Sometimes they are as

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>silly as pershing for not seeing what is clearly going

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 2>on here.

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, completely agree. Uh so elliot is like, man, this

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is crazy to watch this.

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:09.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, just definitely be flaying before. I do not believe.

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 1>The technician is like, hey, you can leave. You don't

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.279
<v Speaker 1>have to stay here, and she's like, no, no, I

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>got it. If you want to take a breast or break,

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I will watch.

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>She's like, he's my friend. I need to watch, you know.

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Like he was wrong, but like there's a connection there

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 1>and I just I want to be here for him.

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>The tech then leaves her alone, which is.

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:35.879
<v Speaker 2>Like, and so does everyone else. Calmar why everyone's just leaving?

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Don't this is like, don't leave a candle on in

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 1>an unattended in a room. Don't leave someone hooked up

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to a mind flare and walk away.

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Stay there in the whole time. If we are. If

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>we are, as we have been saying that you should.

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Be keeping a better eye on the holistic existence of

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 3>ex imperials in your space.

0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't just leave an.

0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Ex imperial with the mind flat. That's a bad idea,

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.400
<v Speaker 3>like the mind flower has one of the most ominous

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 3>names of all time. Don't do it, just don't do it.

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Like so, as soon as the tech leaves, as soon

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>as it tech leaves, g cranks up the voltage to

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>full mind potentially let all the way slaying. And as

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>she's flaying, she cracks open one of those delicious a

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>tin of delicious biscuits, Imperial biscuits.

0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 2>In case you wondered which side she was on.

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's not the force choking you. That's the

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>dryness of the biscuit. And she and she just cranks

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>one down. Uh in what again is a it is

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a very very over it in your face.

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she is remains And also as we kind of

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:44.880
<v Speaker 2>like we we kind of touched on it.

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:51.239
<v Speaker 3>But when she informs on uh pershing and he yets caught.

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 3>She is so trusted by the New Republic that she

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.720
<v Speaker 3>takes away the box of imperial tools that he stole,

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 3>so arguably she and whoever she is working for now

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.719
<v Speaker 3>have what they need to start testing on babies and

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 3>building a Palpatine.

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I think what I think what she is trying to

0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.839
<v Speaker 1>do here is to say, look at how they treated you.

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>They're no better than the In fact, aren't they're just

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the same. Look what they did.

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>They said they weren't gonna mind flame. Then they fleeed you.

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really sick.

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You should just do you know, you're trying to help.

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 1>If he's realize it, Yeah, I mean this is this

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>is almost directly from the Palpatine playbook, which is like, my,

0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 1>see what they're trying to do. They're trying to stop

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>us from doing good. They're the same as the bad guys,

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:41.879
<v Speaker 1>aren't they are.

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>They Look they're gonna hut you and everyone around you,

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and in this case, you're gonna get your mind flawed.

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think that that's exactly what her play I

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 3>think she definitely was always gonna crank it. I'm interested

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 3>to know if when he basically started being like no,

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 3>it was her she like entrapped me. Like that's when

0:52:58.120 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 3>she was like, maybe I'll crank you a bit high.

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I see why I can.

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Just make sure we get all of the.

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 1>We go back to the the titular character this show,

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Mandlo and Bo. He's taking her to the covert, his covert,

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, listen, I know I don't need to

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 1>say this, but you're they go by the old ways. Uh.

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 1>And I know that you've not been so fine. You've

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 1>been kind of openly critical, honestly of the old ways,

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>not to mention hanging out like in your castle in

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 1>front of her taking your helmet off, so please please, please, okay,

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.120
<v Speaker 1>leave your helmet on. Also, a crocodile can come out

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of that water at anytime, and.

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 2>You need to be ready.

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.840
<v Speaker 1>They land pas Visla is like, hey, what are you

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:50.680
<v Speaker 1>doing here? Apostate den Jarren, the Mandalorian who's been cast

0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 1>out because you took your helmet off dinner is like, bitch,

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm redeemed.

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's like it's me, Almah Walls. You are

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 2>not redeemed. Like it's not happening for you.

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>He's like, actually, that's like no, fuck, I've been redeemed.

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>And this is how I went to our home planet.

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I went to the I went to Mandalor and guess

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.760
<v Speaker 1>what it's all lies about how they say it's polluted,

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not. You can live there, and you can go there.

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.240
<v Speaker 1>And I went and I bathed in the fucking living waters.

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And Bo is like, yep, that's true. We have been

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to the living waters. And then Din pulls out the

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.879
<v Speaker 1>vial in case anybody dares to question him, the armor,

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 1>let's test fuck off.

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck this shit. The Armor then runs a test

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 2>on the waters. Uh very SCIENTI okay, she's pouring it

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 2>into some other water and it does something and she's like, you.

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Know what, that's Mandalorian uh living water folks, and uh,

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Din jarn, you are redeemed. This is the way, babe.

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 1>And uh by the way, Bo, who we have a

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of political disagreements with you, but you have also

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.319
<v Speaker 1>not removed your helmet in like thirty minutes, But it's

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the thirty minutes since you bathe the living waters. Therefore

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 1>you are redeemed as well.

0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>As long as you stay domed up, you can.

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Stay with us and Bo. It's the physical acting. Whoever

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is in either of the you.

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Know, he is like, I feel like she's in that suit.

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Because she is, but I think it's Katie and Pedro

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.800
<v Speaker 1>most of the time, but whoever it is, the physical

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>acting here is amazing because it's, well, how would that

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 1>being able to see her face? You can tell that Bo,

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>while she doesn't want to admit, it feels like feels

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the weight of that acceptance and feels like, on some

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 1>level like she is home.

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I kind of I love this as well

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 3>because it's really funny because they kind of go, oh,

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, you haven't taken off your helmet, right, and

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 3>she's like, no, like casually, and she acts surprised, and

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.800
<v Speaker 3>you get these great shoulder movements and this had boh, look,

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.720
<v Speaker 3>this is Bo. This bitch takes off her helmet everywhere.

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:04.480
<v Speaker 3>And guess what, they knew it was safe in the minds.

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.919
<v Speaker 3>They knew it was safe on that planet. But after

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 3>she came out of that water, at least subconsciously, she

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 3>kept it on.

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 2>You know. I feel like deep down she.

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:14.919
<v Speaker 3>Kind of in the back of her mind, like when

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 3>you do when you're a kid, or when you're just

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of daydreaming.

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>You're like, imagine if this happened, like.

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.760
<v Speaker 3>It seems rare, but I think in her mind she

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 3>had probably played out like what if I went back,

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 3>and they were just like, well, you went in the

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:26.399
<v Speaker 3>water too, so you're a deem.

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a really great moment as well, because

0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 2>I think this shows a shift in how the Armorer

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 2>sees the Mandalorians, like they need more people.

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 3>And I love this kind of It's very different to

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 3>anything we've seen her do. She's usually very hardcore. But

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:42.600
<v Speaker 3>the fact that she says to Bo, she's like, look,

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 3>you can leave whenever you want. She's like, if you

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 3>want to take the helmet off, you can go, but

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 3>if you keep it on, you're welcome here. That seems

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.399
<v Speaker 3>to me like that widening of kind of who and

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 3>what a Mandalorian can be. And I think that's gonna

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:57.720
<v Speaker 3>be an interesting next step.

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, Why hasn't Beau mentioned anything

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>about the Methosaur.

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 2>That's why I want to know. I have a theory.

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>You tell me if this I think a lot of

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 1>it is what you know, we've seen over the course

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of these last few episodes, how disconnected feels, and I

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 1>think for a lot of good reasons. You know, she's

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 1>had her heartbroken numerous times with regards to the internal

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:28.440
<v Speaker 1>politics politics of Mandalor or her own connection to Mandalorian identity,

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the genocide of her people, et cetera.

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, the inability to do anything.

0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>About it, all of these things, and and and it's

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 1>only natural that would lead you to wonder, like.

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Are we doing something wrong?

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Like why can't we defend ourselves even when our whole

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>ethos is supposed to.

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Be about our house in battle?

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Like what is it about our philosophy that is weakening?

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Is I think that she is has been, you know,

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>so divorced from Mandalorian culture to the point where you know,

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>she's been openly of it. And I think she's taken

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the apostate identity in some way to heart. And and

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>yet this incredible revelation has been delivered to her. The

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>mythosaurt is real. And it must be a very lonely

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:23.439
<v Speaker 1>feeling because not only does do all these people her

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 1>people view her as an outsider, an identity that she

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of was coming, you know, some ways towards embracing.

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<v Speaker 1>But now she has this incredible news for them that

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to be blown away, Like they are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take it very emotionally, spiritually, It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>mean a lot. It's this is a historic moment in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the annals of the mandalaring people, and here

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<v Speaker 1>is this person who doesn't believe in any invasion any more,

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<v Speaker 1>and that information has been given to her. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>must it just must be such a weird, strange and

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<v Speaker 1>discomfitting feeling. And I'm sure she just with regardless to

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<v Speaker 1>her not saying anything. She just doesn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>say it or how it will be received exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really scared.

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<v Speaker 1>About, like what will happen when I say this thing

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<v Speaker 1>to them?

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<v Speaker 2>What woul like?

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<v Speaker 1>It would be heartbreaking on a certain level for her

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<v Speaker 1>to say, guys, the Mithsissaur is real. I saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>and for them to go get the fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, and why would they believe? I think you

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<v Speaker 3>summed it up so succinctly. I think she's I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's two levels to it, and you basically eloquently put

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<v Speaker 3>it across in the perfect way. But I would say

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmed and shocked, like she's in shock this thing exists.

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<v Speaker 3>She saw it, and she has already worked out very

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<v Speaker 3>quickly that she is the only one who saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>She has no backup, she has no one to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>collaborate her story.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it's like like you said, it's that it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of incredible narrative storytelling that the one person who doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe Eve is given.

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<v Speaker 2>This burden of truth, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And then like you said, I mean that this is

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<v Speaker 3>obviously in a way super heavily on her because the

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<v Speaker 3>episode ends with her looking at the Mythosaur on the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of logo of the Mandalorian and not telling people. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>I think another added layer is you get she turns

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<v Speaker 3>up Pasvisla, doesn't believe them, doesn't want to hear about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That cements in her mind, oh, well, they're not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>believe me. Then she's welcomed into the fold, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>this incredible moment of kind of camaraderie at the end

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<v Speaker 3>when everyone says this is the way and they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of welcome them in and they hug them and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she's like, well, fuck, like now I found

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of like acceptance and home and I got

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<v Speaker 3>to tell these people there's a mythysaur. And then she

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<v Speaker 3>is also someone who has wielded the Dark Saber. Arguably

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<v Speaker 3>I believe she could have taken it back after having

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<v Speaker 3>it last episode. I think there's like an interesting thing there,

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<v Speaker 3>but she knows what it is to be a legendary

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<v Speaker 3>Mandalorian who wields a legendary thing, and what is the

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<v Speaker 3>legend of the mythsaur Mandalorians ride them? So then does

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<v Speaker 3>that set up this kind of inflict between her and

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<v Speaker 3>whoever else does it? The fact that she saw it

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<v Speaker 3>mean she is the one who's gonna ride it or

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<v Speaker 3>will she end up being pushed aside? So Din or

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<v Speaker 3>another Mandlauring can write it. There's so many interesting layers,

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<v Speaker 3>but let's just say this. I think what we can

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<v Speaker 3>say is we're gonna be going back to Mandalor this season.

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<v Speaker 2>That is my prediction. Ohly, even if she only tells Din.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, it really feels like with the middle piece of

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're heading towards Snoke, right, We're gonna let's

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<v Speaker 1>find out that's what it's gonna be. We're gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>the origins of Snoke. It's gonna be Palpatin's DNA, some

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<v Speaker 1>of Grogu's horrifically, some of Grogu's DNA, and who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what else. But it feels like that's yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>connection towards.

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<v Speaker 3>Snow, and I think I think we're heading towards how

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<v Speaker 3>they resurrected Palpatine, which was this kind of this this

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<v Speaker 3>amalgamation of blood from his bloodline, you know, mixed with

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<v Speaker 3>probably baby Yoda's blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like what it says for the baby, but

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<v Speaker 3>I am very interested. I thought, I think if they

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<v Speaker 3>lean into that and Dorian more politically nuanced, like in depth,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had a lot of laughs talking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's just how we enjoy talking about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot there. It's deep, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of upsetting, it's really unsettling. I think that is

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<v Speaker 3>the way to explore and add gravitas to what felt like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we just want to bring Palpatine back, and I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think great.

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<v Speaker 3>Call on on Snooke being our first stopping gap. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Jon Favreau's talked about the Mandalorian. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he said he doesn't really know how many seasons

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to go, So I think Palpatine would probably

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<v Speaker 3>be later. But I think we can assume that we're

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<v Speaker 3>heading towards the sequel trilogy. Now, what does that mean

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<v Speaker 3>for who we will see or what we will hear

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<v Speaker 3>about that's very interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a really media episode. I was shocked when it

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<v Speaker 1>came in at like fifty three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, longest longest one so far.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can't wait to see where this goes

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<v Speaker 1>up next.

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<v Speaker 2>Nerd Out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's nut Out, will you tell us what you love?

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<v Speaker 2>Am why?

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<v Speaker 3>Or a theory that Eric excites shah listena Ike brings

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<v Speaker 3>an RPGA's mindset to the Mandalorian.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Yang One strong thought I couldn't stop having since

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the Mandalorian Season three Episode two was about bestcar

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<v Speaker 1>they've already shown. The metal is incredibly rare, super useful

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<v Speaker 1>and can be reforged in the creepy monster's layer on Mandalor.

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<v Speaker 1>There are just heaps of helmets and armor and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>laying around. If I'm Boca ten or gin Ordnjarren, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be filling my ship with that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be set for life.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the RPG gamer in me, but they need

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<v Speaker 1>to be looting that dungeon. Not even a word about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just gonna ignore piles of precious metal armor. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's a world Bird upgrade in there. Just look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't hurt to try best, Ike, right, boy, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is like a great point. There's like a

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<v Speaker 1>there's billions of credits like mad lawyer r.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be smashing every jaw, you know, every every

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<v Speaker 3>part to see what is hidden inside.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume that the plain answer is.

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<v Speaker 3>People thought that Mandolo was poisoned, so they didn't go there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that the the propaganda about the place

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<v Speaker 1>has held And I and further, you know, it's unclear

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<v Speaker 1>to me that any you know, other than this person

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<v Speaker 1>who then you know, intersected with the jaws. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>clear to me that very many people at all have

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<v Speaker 1>ever even dared to go there. Like it's it's very

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<v Speaker 1>possible that it was just whoever that one individual was.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that it's it might be that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that there's a scientific reason for everybody to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the planet is poisoned. But I think that I

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<v Speaker 1>think that probably most people just assume that it's poisoned,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why they haven't gone there. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with I agree with you Ike, Like next thing

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<v Speaker 1>should be go there and get all the stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>useful and get it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Although the one person, and I will say should have

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this earlier. Is Bokatan Babe, you knew it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't poisoned. You told Dinn it wasn't poisoned. You should

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<v Speaker 3>have been in there with your crew raiding all that

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<v Speaker 3>Best Scar. Maybe you we'll find out you did raid

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<v Speaker 3>some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it would be interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that this is likely gonna be a

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<v Speaker 3>plot point going forward, because if they're trying to rebuild

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<v Speaker 3>Mandolin and Bestcar is incredibly rare, the fact that there

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<v Speaker 3>is at least some in the minds gives them a

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<v Speaker 3>reason to go, even.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't believe Bo about the mythosole.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I will say, I think because of Dinn's obsession

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<v Speaker 3>with being redeemed and that happening, and then Bo see

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<v Speaker 3>this legendary creature that she didn't know if or believe in,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they're both that is probably at the

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<v Speaker 3>back of their mind, even though they should absolutely be

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<v Speaker 3>be rayed in the dungeon.

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<v Speaker 1>About this hair brain tinfoil head theory under some not all,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think the timelines don't quite line up. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the materials used to build Star Killer Base come

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<v Speaker 1>from mandalor.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh see, now you're talking I love this. I love

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<v Speaker 3>imagining the connections. I mean, why not they are taking all.

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<v Speaker 1>This material there, metal of you know, incredibly strong metal,

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<v Speaker 1>other types of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>We also know that they weapons of our kids.

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<v Speaker 3>We also know that the First Order Troopers were orphaned

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<v Speaker 3>babies and kids that they stole. Very likely that some

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<v Speaker 3>of them would know of Manned the Law, maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>had heard rumors of it or had family from there.

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<v Speaker 3>It would not at all be a stretch to imagine

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<v Speaker 3>that may come into play, which would also be great

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<v Speaker 3>because again it adds more of that conflict between Mandalor

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<v Speaker 3>and Din's two sides of like the Force and Mandalor

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<v Speaker 3>and going against you know, this kind of fascistic New

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<v Speaker 3>Force user.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the timelines are a little fuzzy because the construction

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<v Speaker 1>on Star Killer happened like way way earlier than this,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe some of the materials, you know, to build

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<v Speaker 1>the super weapon or something I could imagine that happening anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>great question, Ike, Thank you so much. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>Rosie.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Hey, Mike, this is not from Marine. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about Listen, Mike. There's no good way

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<v Speaker 1>to say this. You know, I know this. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of complicated feelings about the Empire these days. They did.

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<v Speaker 1>They made a lot of mistakes, Mike. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say she didn't make a lot of mistakes. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>know I did vote for him, but it was for

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<v Speaker 1>tax purposes. But one thing nobody talks about. They always

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<v Speaker 1>bring up all their on they bring up the kids

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<v Speaker 1>at the Jedi time. One thing nobody talks about. They

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<v Speaker 1>never give them their credit for this is the biscuits, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>They travel biscuits. They're amazing, Mike. They will change your life, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever get a chance to try them. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand the biscuits are illegal under the Corosont Accords right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you ever by Hooker by cook, you get

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<v Speaker 1>your hands on them, they will, Mike, the change of life,

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<v Speaker 1>The change your life, Mike. I'll take my hands off

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<v Speaker 1>the air. May thank you.