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Speaker 1: Star Trek The Pod Directive, the official Star Trek podcast,

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Speaker 1: is back for season three. Journey with Lower Decks cast

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Speaker 1: members Tawny Newsome, Very Funny and the wonderful Paul F.

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Speaker 1: Tompkins through discussions about all things in the Star Trek universe.

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Speaker 1: This season, go behind the scenes of hit shows with

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Speaker 1: the guests from Deep Space nine and the Next Generation,

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Speaker 1: and explore the impact of the franchise, including pick Good.

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Speaker 2: Season three.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Star Trek The Pod Directive every Tuesday, March seventh,

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast now be one Engage pod. Warning,

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Speaker 1: this podcast canning spoilers for season three, episode three of

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Speaker 1: The Mandalorian.

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Speaker 2: Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Knight,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to story Vision.

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Speaker 1: The Crooked media podcast where we dive deep but to

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 3: In this episode, we are stepping out of the airlock

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Speaker 3: and into an unexpectedly diverted episode of.

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Speaker 2: The Mandalorians Dorian.

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Speaker 3: One might say it was very Andorian season three episode

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Speaker 3: of The Mandalorian, though there is very little Mandalorian and

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Speaker 3: even less Baby Booo. But it's a good episode in

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Speaker 3: that out listener, I has thoughts about The Mandalorian season

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Speaker 3: three episode two from last.

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Speaker 1: Week, and uh, as always, if you want to jump around,

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Speaker 1: check the show notes for the time stance. We understand

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Speaker 1: there have been some issues with the timestamps and their accuracy.

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Speaker 1: We're working on it, but it's somewhat out of our hands.

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Speaker 2: Just bear with us.

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Speaker 1: Up next to the airlock, stepping out of the airlock

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Speaker 1: and back onto the beautifully constructed surface of coruscon thriving

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Speaker 1: the duel of the galaxy for season three, episode three

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Speaker 1: of The Mandalorian on Disney Plus, Chapter nineteen, The Convert

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Speaker 1: written by Noah Clurer and John Favreau, directed by Academy

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Speaker 1: Award nominee Lee Isaac Chung. Folks, let's get into it,

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Speaker 1: so we we open up right after we ended the

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Speaker 1: previous episode by the living waters under the mines of Mandalor.

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Speaker 1: Din wakes up beside Bokatan, who just saved his life.

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Speaker 1: Grogu is very cutely standing over him, looking concerned, and

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Speaker 1: Dinn's very very first thought, first thing on his lips,

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Speaker 2: He's just it.

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Speaker 3: He's like he's ready, I know it's happened.

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Speaker 2: Boagrees, and she's like, yeah, you did it. You you

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Speaker 2: bathe in the living waters.

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Speaker 1: And it's very clear that Dinn passed out before the mythica,

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Speaker 1: and so Bo is just ready to get out of

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Speaker 1: there because she's really processing what she saw. She says,

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Speaker 1: can we leave? Din wisely takes a vial of the water.

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Speaker 1: Is proof?

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Speaker 2: Wisely? I say yeah, especially as we just wouldn't have gone.

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Speaker 2: So he really like he made it.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're going to go get the proof. Also,

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Speaker 3: this will be a retiring question in this episode, but Bogatan,

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Speaker 3: why keeping that mythoso safe? Why keeping a secret?

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Speaker 2: I want to know?

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Speaker 1: It's very very interesting to me. More on that in

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Speaker 1: a bit. Uh Bo then quizzes Din a little further,

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Speaker 1: you know, like did you see anything at all? Are

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Speaker 1: you sure you didn't see anything before you you know,

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Speaker 1: like before you passed out. He's like, no, not at all,

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Speaker 1: and then uh he says, well, I did see like

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Speaker 2: It was so deep, It was so deep down.

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Speaker 1: And she says, well, maybe the Imperial bombs, you know,

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Speaker 1: They both give you know, the their cursory this is

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Speaker 1: Our five is like not ready for this level of stress.

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Speaker 1: We get a trademark Star Wars Canyon Run. Is it

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Speaker 3: I feel like the guys at ILM who are really

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Speaker 3: Because ILM is like probably doing a lot of this

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Speaker 2: It looks if you watched it.

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Speaker 3: On an Imax you would be like, this is fucking unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: And like the funny thing is like in her like,

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Speaker 3: the droids. Bo, you should be sad, but like we

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Speaker 1: A big barrage, Like this is I mean, they this

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Speaker 3: because like, as they point out, they say, like that's

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Speaker 1: She wants to take out the ties and bombed her house.

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Speaker 1: mortal enemy. And mortal enemy I use that, I use

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Speaker 1: that phrase, you know, Catholic. Yeah, our friend Doctor Pershing,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just say, just in case you don't

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Speaker 3: This is very interesting to learn about this amnesty, and

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Speaker 3: I think this episode has some quite interesting I really

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Speaker 3: some interesting parallels with our other Pagro show that we

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Speaker 3: all kind of comparisons in this.

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Speaker 1: This is an episode that is a lot about bureaucracy.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's favorite Star Wars topic.

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Speaker 3: Definitely George Lucas's favorite Star Wars topic.

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Speaker 2: It's feeling very prequels.

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Speaker 1: Baby Pershing admits that his former research was cruel or

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Speaker 1: and he lays all the responsibility for that quote. Someone

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Speaker 1: intent on using cloning technology to secure more power for himself,

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Speaker 1: probably talking about maf Gideon, but who knows.

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Speaker 2: Thing to be thinking about. Doctor Pershing then continues it.

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Speaker 1: You know, he hopes that he'd be able to use

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Speaker 1: and he talks about in a very Elizabeth Holmes moment.

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Speaker 1: He talks about the loss of his mother and how

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Speaker 2: Could have saved her life.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stick up for the New Republic here.

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Speaker 2: Probably it's a very good point.

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Speaker 1: So so this is actually like not a you know, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you have to you have to hand it to them.

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Speaker 3: You absolutely have to hand it to them, where you

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Speaker 1: They all start reminiscing about stuff they missed from the Empire,

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Speaker 3: It's like it's really I actually thought that was a

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Speaker 2: Anything about it. No no, no, you're talking about like you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Empire had a box at the pod races

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Speaker 1: They mostly agreed later that night. Pershing is like reading

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good car. I will once again

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Speaker 2: You can't let this. He shouldn't be the one doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like ex Empire people cannot be the people who

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Speaker 2: Like be happier. He's very criminal and he's very like

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Speaker 3: I think the best thing to do is take him

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Speaker 2: Like no, just like let him creep a street. He

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Speaker 1: He keeps saying stuff like, well, you know and under

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Speaker 1: It's like yeah, I mean, like you can throw a

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Speaker 1: not worth it. Pershing later on has some ice cream

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00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: cones with G sixty eight to explore corauson.

440
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: Lovely delightful blowing ice cream cones.

441
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: She has been on planet before during her academy days.

442
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: She's like, we thought we were doing good. Pershing agrees.

443
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: He also was like, yeah, I thought when I was

444
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: experimenting on that baby, that cute little baby with those

445
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: cute little eyes, I thought I was doing the right thing.

446
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: And every yeah, It's like it's like, and everyone who

447
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: was coming and all these different people trying to stop me,

448
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: who seemed like they were on the other side of history,

449
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: they were definitely in the wrong. I was, I was

450
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: doing the right thing, and I definitely wasn't testing this

451
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: baby's midichlorians to see if they could somehow use to

452
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: give someone else medichlorians.

453
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: This was all good, It was all good.

454
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: So gee when we were like blowing up whole planets,

455
00:23:50,840 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: that was yeah. Anyway, Pershing is like, you know, we

456
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: were close to some really really cool breakthroughs when they

457
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: shut us down. And he says, again, in the right hands,

458
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: our discoveries could have helped a lot of people. And

459
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: she's like, well, why don't you keep doing it, you know,

460
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: just like as a hobby, just like at home.

461
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: She's like, you went to the Republic New Republic, Now

462
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: you can do that, right, There's no reason you.

463
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Could just give it up in your yeah, up in

464
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: your apartment and just like run some tests on them,

465
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: Like what would you need to make that happen? And

466
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: Pershing's like, well, like, unfortunately, the New Republic considers it

467
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: horrifying to.

468
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Experiment on children. Like unfortunately he.

469
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: Also like New Republic kind of like very aligned with

470
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: the Jedi and that whole like fass things probably not

471
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: gonna go well to.

472
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: Be tested on medichlorian babies.

473
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: And she is like, well, you know, you were just

474
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: falling orders and and it's just following orders, even if

475
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: it's coming from the New Republic, just kind of like

476
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: how we become the Empire, wasn't that isn't that kind

477
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: of the same thing. He's like, that makes a lot

478
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: of sense, and she says, you know, sometimes you just

479
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: got to trust your gut, and if your gut's telling

480
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: you experiment on babies, you.

481
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: Gotta do it.

482
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 3: I have to say, he is to having the most

483
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: unhinged conversations.

484
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I just have to say.

485
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: The performances by wonderful Kat O'Brien and then uh Ahmed

486
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 3: Abdi who plays uh dr pershing, Like I cannot tell

487
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: you how well they cast this chemistry, Like I willson,

488
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: you believe that she can convince him, and you believe

489
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: that he is like morally weak enough to kind of

490
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: believe that he would be doing the right thing when really,

491
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 3: you know, he just wants to keep doing it.

492
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: But there's just he just wants to keep experimenting. Baby. Yeah,

493
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: it's so believable and like so bleak. Moreover, I think

494
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: that this is actually a really.

495
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: Important concept and it's one that I think about all

496
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: the time, which is how very often people's political and

497
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: philosophical beliefs are backfilled to support the thing that they

498
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah, doctor Pershing is like, I'm a

499
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: good person. Yes I want to experiment on babies. But

500
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: when I was doing that before, I was forced to

501
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: and now that I want to do it again, I

502
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: want to do it because something good can happen that

503
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to happen last time. And and he's created

504
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: this and is in the process of creating this entire

505
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: like ideology around I just want to do horrible genetic experiments.

506
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: How can I continue to do it? Oh, here's this

507
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: political philosophy that says, if you want to do good,

508
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: then you are doing good. That allows me to do it.

509
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: And that's really I think that a lot of people

510
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: fall under this, where they create their politics around what

511
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: they really.

512
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: Were offending that.

513
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I think as well as something really

514
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: interesting in the notion of like this is the only

515
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 3: thing he knows how to do, and rather than actually

516
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: like putting in the work to become valuable in another

517
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: way to the empire, he's clearly incredibly intelligent. He has

518
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: some kind instead of being like, oh, the New Republic,

519
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: like what do you need from me? Like how can

520
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: I help you? And they'll be like you can walk

521
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: up to that, but here's some ideas. He's just like,

522
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: bet they don't know it, but what they really need

523
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: is someone who does genetic testing on babies, fifty three

524
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: year old babies.

525
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: And after she says sometimes you have to trust your gut,

526
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: g makes it very very clear that she is part

527
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: of some sort of group of ex imperials who want

528
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: to continue doing imperial stuff, but this time for the good.

529
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: And it's very, i think, very notable with all the

530
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: connections that we have mentioned to the latest trilogies that

531
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: while they're at this you know outdoor you know, walking park,

532
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: you hear in kind of like Carnival form, the John

533
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: Williams masterpiece. I think, I agree, Force Awakens March of

534
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: the Resistance, you know when podamer In and the rest

535
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: come screaming over the water bomb bomb but bomb, so

536
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of very conscious ties.

537
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is I think one of the most

538
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: interesting things about this episode is it, as we will

539
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: talk about more, it really feels like Favreau and Felony

540
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: are doing what they do best and coming in to

541
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: kind of fill in these gaps in Star Wars law,

542
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: but they're also doing the things that they love, which

543
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: is referencing the prequels and trying to build this kind

544
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: of holistic world with the prequels and now as we're

545
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: seeing the sequel trilogy. So it's very interesting. I love

546
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: that March of the Resistance catch too, like what a

547
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: great song.

548
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, as we were talking about

549
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: off Mic, I think this is very very much in

550
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: the Felony wheelhouse, which is you build out the context

551
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: around something from Star Wars, and if you do it

552
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: in a compelling enough way, as he did with Clone Wars,

553
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: it lifts up.

554
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: The original story.

555
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, with Clone Wars, obviously it was the prequels,

556
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: and in this case, perhaps I think we would both

557
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: argue this is an attempt to lift up the latest,

558
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: the most recent.

559
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: Trilogy, and specifically I would say like Rise of Skywalker,

560
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: like the Final Entry, kind.

561
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: Of this Skywalker building.

562
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: This context around as we will get to how this

563
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: genetic testing may or may have not been involved in

564
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: the iconic moment where Oscar Isaac delivered the line. Somehow

565
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: Palpatine has returned, Yes, and.

566
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: I think I think that's where this is. And I

567
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: think the coolest thing is like that is such a

568
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: maligned moment. Oh forever.

569
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: I obviously we love Oscar Isaac in this pod, in

570
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: this house, in this like community, but like I will

571
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: forever love him for being are in character in that moment.

572
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: He didn't want to deliver that line the way he

573
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: put it across. And if you can turn something like

574
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: that where even the actor was disappointed with the route,

575
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: the film went into a nuanced, interesting look at the conversations.

576
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: We're talking about science, the ethics of genetic testing. This

577
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: is obviously alluding to and built on, like the fact

578
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: that a lot of contemporary science that we have now

579
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: is based on Nazi science. You know, like this is

580
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: like a real world analogous thing that Stars does so well,

581
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: and they're bringing that in to potentially as we are guessing,

582
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: and I think we are right, especially by the time

583
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: we get to the end of the episode, to bring

584
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: gravitas and context to what was essentially a throwaway line

585
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: to do like fan service, and I just think that

586
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: is like really really cool, And like you say, that

587
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: is the power of what Feloni does and has done.

588
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: That is the reason that the prequels are so beloved. Now,

589
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: that is the reason why Hayden got to come back.

590
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: He is a huge, huge part of it.

591
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: Obviously, it's the fans and the people who love this stuff,

592
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: but Clone Wars gave people who loved Anakin and wanted

593
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: to see more of him, who had grown up on

594
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: those movies and felt like they were really special to

595
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: them and there was something there even if they didn't

596
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: see it come to life the way they did. And

597
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: it gave people who didn't like them something.

598
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: To glob onto.

599
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: And then revisit the prequels and say, oh, well, this

600
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: matters to me now because I know what was going

601
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 3: on in between.

602
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: So I just I think it's really cool.

603
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: And I have to say, when The Mandalorian first came out,

604
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: I definitely thought as soon as they mentioned the babies

605
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: Midichlorians that this was where we were going to go.

606
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really hear me like we got here

607
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: till today.

608
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: So if this episode feels different to that fun, creature

609
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: heavy adventure that we've all been loving, this is why

610
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: this is actually important. This is not an unnecessary diversion.

611
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: This is probably the major thesis of The Mandalorian as

612
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: an arc.

613
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: I completely agree Pushing attends hit a regular debrief with

614
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: a therapy droid, who is there essentially to make sure

615
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that his integration is going smoothly.

616
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like therapy droid slash like spy like does he really?

617
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: He just wants to know, like, are you gonna be

618
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: an imperial?

619
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: Like hello?

620
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Although it's like the honor system like there, he's not

621
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: looked up to machines. The droid is not oh no,

622
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: ptenuated too, is not attenuated at all to like pick

623
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: up any stress in his voice or anything like whatever

624
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: he tells this droid, the droid is just like okay, yeah,

625
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: walks away. So you know, he's asked Aryus questions about

626
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: how his integration is going, does he have any uh,

627
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: does he have any resentments towards the New Republic? And

628
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: at the end of this, he says, hey, quick question,

629
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: what would happen if I was to, you know, just

630
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: like as a hobby while I'm driving, you know, yeah,

631
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: private sy just like a person start pursuing my genetic

632
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: research on babies one more time, you know.

633
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: Just by myself. Also likely be one baby, Like does

634
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: any really one that could happen? So I'm gonna have

635
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: to hunt down a baby kid and then do it.

636
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: How would that go?

637
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: And the Joid is like that's a hard No. Cloning

638
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: is illegal under the Corosonic Chords, and you know that

639
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: is the treaty which ended the civil war and brought

640
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: peace to the galaxy, which I am a little shocked

641
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: that Pershing didn't realize, didn't realize.

642
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: I know, it's it's really you can really see how

643
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: like brainwashed or like in the in the Empire.

644
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Was because he's like cloning just like fully illegal. Huh.

645
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, fully, I'm.

646
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: Like, you know how in every Star Wars movie, whether

647
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: it's we saw it with our five last episode, like

648
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, you can just always download what is on

649
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: a droid and like give that information to someone else.

650
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you even asking a New Republic

651
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: droid about cloning if you're trying to do it, Like

652
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: this is a bad idea, You're basically snitching on yourself.

653
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: But I love he was just like he really didn't know,

654
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: like he really thought it might just be okay by

655
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: that token.

656
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Also, it it does show that on some level, Pershing,

657
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: I think it feels like he's really making an honest

658
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: effort of integrating to New Republics.

659
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: I think he feels like you know what I'm really trying.

660
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't. But now they're wrong about this, and so

661
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: I have to go my own. Well, so let's be real.

662
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: He is being like fully manipulated by G sixty eight,

663
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: like she is like.

664
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: I think he wanted to do it, but I do think.

665
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: She is like I think he's kind of like a

666
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: weak enough person that if she hadn't been that, he

667
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: probably would have just kept doing his imperial jobs.

668
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: And actually I don't I don't actually fully disagree. We'll

669
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: get back to that more in a second. So later,

670
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: after you know, this therapy session, Pershing is like, Okay,

671
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: the New Republic are fucked. What the hell he finds

672
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, He's like, you know what, I want

673
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: to go back to work. We're going to do it again.

674
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: And you know what, when the New Republic sees the

675
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: value of my work, I think they'll come around. And

676
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: she's like, I love it. You need what do you

677
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: need to start splicing baby jeans? He says that, uh,

678
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: and she's like, wait, I can get.

679
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: You you know, whatever you need.

680
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: It would just mean just so you know, it means

681
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: sneaking out of amnes seahouse and breaking some other rules.

682
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Person's like, well, I don't want to go back to

683
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: the integration Institute, which was is clearly some other like

684
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: if this is a halfway house, would be like a

685
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: quarterhouse that's like one step away from being jail. And

686
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: so he's like, no, I'm not gonna I'm not.

687
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: Gonna see that. Okay.

688
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: To me is the moment where I feel like this

689
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: is not necessarily a moral strength in him that wouldn't

690
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: have made him do this. I just think he's easily led.

691
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: So I think if she wasn't bring him these options,

692
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: he probably would have not done this till somebody else

693
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: did it.

694
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: But he's not gonna say no.

695
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't have like the moral core to understand what

696
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: he's doing is wrong.

697
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree. At the same time, there is

698
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: something fucked up in this guy, you know what I mean.

699
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: And at the very least he should not be doing

700
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the job that he's doing and be given as much

701
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: free rein as he's given. But I agree with you

702
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: that she is pulling him in for sure. The next

703
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: day at work, Pershing sees that he's being ordered to

704
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: destroy a bunch of Imperial files, which contain technical documents,

705
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: other perhaps valuable information. He's like, hey, can I access

706
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: these to find if there's anything useful here? And that's

707
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: a no from his boss. He says, listen, we're really

708
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: busy actually, like his bosses like we're really busy, Like

709
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: just do as your really the real yeah, when really

710
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: the real answer is, hey, former imperial guy, we're not

711
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: going to have you like accessing imperial technology is so

712
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: want it?

713
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: You shut the fuck up and like go to jail.

714
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: His boss is like very kind and like definitely wants

715
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: to be his frid grade.

716
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: Like his boss is like trying to check in on him.

717
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: Also, this is the other thing is like this man,

718
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: I do not know where he got such goal because.

719
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: When we saw him with was always telling him no, no, no,

720
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: do your job go back in there. No no.

721
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: He never at any point like had someone who he

722
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: could tell what to do.

723
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: Like so I'm just like, was he just always like this?

724
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: Like you don't understand. And I think it's hard if

725
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you've never had a passion for experimenting with babies.

726
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: I've had to really understand how it.

727
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: Drives you and how it becomes an if you have

728
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: watched taken the blood without consent, of a baby full

729
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: of medicoreans.

730
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: You just can't.

731
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: Splice it, you know, with the other DNA. Like the

732
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: rush of it is just amazing. So after this, uh,

733
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: this like running with his boss. In a very very

734
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: subtle metaphor, he then takes a big bite out of

735
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: the Imperial biscuits.

736
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: He's feeling nostalgia, and they're gonna become taste of Empire.

737
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: They're gonna become a very subtle theme throughout the episode.

738
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: He had earlier someone mysteriously a d them off outside

739
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: of his room, and it's obviously g but now he's

740
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: like snacking, He's feeling nostalgic. He's thinking, Oh, I wish

741
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 3: I was back working for the Empire, or I could

742
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 3: just experiment on a baby all the time while eating

743
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: some delicious biscuits.

744
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

745
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: Also, he doesn't have questions about how G got those biscuits,

746
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: because I'm saying.

747
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Well he doesn't fully know it's her, even

748
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: though I'm sure he's yeah, like because really, who would

749
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: have access to imperial biscuits other than an imperial Just say,

750
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: just another person, another person with a sweet two At

751
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: his therapy session, his next one, he then lies that

752
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel any anger resentment towards any Republican and

753
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: it's very obvious that he's the same, but the droid

754
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: doesn't catch it. And then he goes straight to jess

755
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: apartments like let's go, let's fucking do this.

756
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and there's like Jesse, I just want to say,

757
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: there's a moment I love here because this shows again

758
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: like about his like his the way he's just constantly

759
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: convincing himself. He's not doing it because he wants to

760
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: do it. He's doing it because it's good for the

761
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: New Republic, because he says to afterwards, he's like, is

762
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: role as New Republic like people in the New Republic?

763
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: Is it to do what is best for the New

764
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: Republic no matter what.

765
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: And the Droid's like yeah, broh, and he's like, okay,

766
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.

767
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Test a baby and he just like, hey, I'm like no,

768
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: my therapy droid said, gave me the okay, just told.

769
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: You, like you can't do this. But he's like he's

770
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: like in his head he's created he's turning it into

771
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: a moral crusade when as we can see, it's more

772
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: of like an addiction.

773
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like also it's illegal, Bruther anyway, Yeah, x

774
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: ray Vision will be back and we're back, Gee and

775
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Pushing sneak out of Amnesty Housing. They go down by

776
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: train to the disposed yards where much of the equipment

777
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: and files he's been cataloging are held in these decommissioned

778
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Imperial ships and G's like computer ships have mobile labs, right.

779
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Pushing is like, I don't really, I don't want to

780
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: do this, but really he does.

781
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: You can tell he really really? I guess what Bro,

782
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: you could have told around at any point? Yeah?

783
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

784
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: He learns now, absolutely definitively that it was G who

785
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: got the case of biscuits and this is how she

786
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: did it by sneaking into the yards. They have to

787
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: jump between train cars and in order to avoid the

788
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Detroit conductors. Pushing is like getting a real rush out

789
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: of this week with this little mini heist feeling. They're

790
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: skulking through the decommissioned Imperial craft and looking for lab stuff.

791
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: G setting the hook.

792
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: For doctor Pershing like even deeper now is like, you

793
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: know what, I'm sorry, I never introduced myself to you.

794
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: Back on off Guinning, isn't that crazy?

795
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Like think me just walked by each other all the time, Like,

796
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: isn't it like you're in the bathroom, I'm in the

797
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: cafeteria next door, and then we never talked to Now

798
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: we're bringing into ships together. I'm Elijah Kane, communication officer,

799
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: and he's like doctor Penn Pershing scientist. And it feels

800
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: here experiment on babies.

801
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: I experiment on babies, and it feels yeah, she was

802
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: the communication officer for fascists.

803
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: But like it does to the.

804
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: To the like success and skill of the showmakers and

805
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: the creatives behind it, Like it feels like a huge

806
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: moment because not only were they nameless underneath the Empire,

807
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: but they're now nameless under the new Republican. Here is

808
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: a moment where they can kind of like being coots,

809
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: even if it's to get stuff to experiment on babies.

810
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: And this idea of sharing the name and the power

811
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: of a name, it's a really great way for her

812
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 3: to get the hook. That's it, because it feels big,

813
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: it feels like a trust moment. Also, kind of talking

814
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: about this, it makes me think how much a liar

815
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: is kind of like one that's a classic Star Wars name.

816
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: She's lying to her name's a liar. I love that

817
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: that's just like the best, silliest, poppiest thing, But also like,

818
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: I love how much she's almost like a cool kid

819
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: at school, because like, at no point should has he

820
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: been given any reason to trust her. He just met her,

821
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: she was on off Gideon ship. He's not considering for

822
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: a moment that this might be someone who betrays you.

823
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: She bit at every point, she's like she's given him

824
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: a little bit. She's nice to him. She's like when

825
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to go, she's like, nah, nah, it'll

826
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: be cool, I promise.

827
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: Is this very interesting kind of weird delayed like adolescence

828
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: that they never got to have being in the Empire.

829
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: But Pershing is just he's he's ridiculous. See he's not good.

830
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: He's not good at this.

831
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: He's not absolutely falling for it. They eventually find the

832
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: stuff lab stuff. Pershing is absolutely stoked. He's reminiscing now

833
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: but the first time he walked into it like a

834
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: really high tech professional lab to experiment on, you know, babies,

835
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: and what a rush it was, and how he always

836
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be a scientist. And Elia, for her part,

837
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: has never got to think about what she wanted to be,

838
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: which is like an interesting comment that she makes and

839
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: that suddenly very weight there's noise, Yeah, very weighted. Suddenly

840
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: there's noise and they see flashlights bobbing, and Doc and

841
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: G run for it. They're immediately arrested outside the ship.

842
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: The cops know exactly who Pershing is and what he's

843
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: here for. It was a setup, and we realized that

844
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: G sold them out.

845
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a great twist because to me,

846
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: the way it was going, I felt like she was

847
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: going to sell him out to the Empire and some

848
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 3: kind of like Empire group, not for any real reason,

849
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: just because she would be like, well, now we've got

850
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: this stuff. But I love that when they turn up

851
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: it's New Republic and she's obviously rising up these ranks quickly.

852
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: I will say, put a pin in that, because I do.

853
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: I think she's playing the lot of.

854
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: She is she is, But this moment, this little reveal, yeah,

855
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: she sells him out to the New Republic, felt like

856
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: a great twist on what I expected. But then yeah,

857
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: by the time we get to end of the episode,

858
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: her aims are clear, and it's really great because she

859
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: is playing the New Republic like a fucking fiddle.

860
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: Now here's where I will say, good idea new Republic.

861
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad at all like it was pershing

862
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: and trapped. On a certain level, Yes, absolutely should the

863
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: new Republic, who are showing incredible generosity in large just

864
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: in allowing these nex Nazi imperials to reintegrate with society

865
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: and a high level given jobs, et cetera, shouldn't they

866
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: have some sort of security measures just to make sure

867
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: nobody's out here like trying to do empire stuff. Not

868
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: to mention, we should say, the Empire well known for

869
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: using mind programming techniques, very serious mind programming techniques. And

870
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna be generous to these people and

871
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: not just like line them up against the wall as

872
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the Empire would have done, you do have to put

873
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: in measures to make sure that programming is broken, that

874
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: the imperial mindset is not there. And even when there

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: wasn't this kind of like you know, heavy heavy mind

876
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: preparation as there were for the start, for the stormtroopers

877
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: and others, there was you know, an unbelievable level of propaganda.

878
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, they lived inside their own imperial like communications bubble,

879
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: like so piercing that I think is important. And so

880
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: while I definitely would quibble with the morality of some

881
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: of the stuff that you know Ellie is doing here

882
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: and trapping doctor Penn. I think overall it's a good

883
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: idea which make sure the Imperials are not up to

884
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: neferial even.

885
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: If it's not like imperial shit. It's like, bro, you

886
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: just joined, like, just just don't be breaking these rules

887
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: of going and sneaking on too imperial ships. It looks

888
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: she looks shifty as fuck. I will say as well,

889
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: Elijah using a true time worn informant technique here of

890
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: snitching on other people and setting them up to be

891
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: informants when you are the informant. It's a really common

892
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: real life technique that has it happened in real life.

893
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a really interesting space that

894
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: she's in.

895
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: Also, this maybe seems like this is her job within

896
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: the Empire or within the New Republic like she did.

897
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: The New Recruits.

898
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought this was really interesting. It was

899
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: not what I was expecting. I agree with you, there

900
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: should be. I'm kind of way that that checking in

901
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: on these.

902
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: X Nazis who are now living within that one though,

903
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: I will say what happens next. I again, I'm not

904
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: a fan of what the New Republic choose to do.

905
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan.

906
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of what happens nowt So what

907
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: happens next is they hook pushing up to a mind flare.

908
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: Sounds like a mistake.

909
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: But hold on, hold on before you say anything, the

910
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: Monclomari technician says to Pershing, who's like this the mind flair?

911
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, we lowered the voltage. The new

912
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: Plassic ones, the New.

913
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Republic ones operate in a much lower voltage. It will

914
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: give you relief from your imperial programming and it will

915
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: wipe you know, the kind of like troubled imperial memories

916
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: and preconceived you know, consciousness sectors from your mind and

917
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: it will feel great. And it's not mind fling. I

918
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: promise you it's not mind flag. You're gonna love the

919
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: way it flays you. Okay, he trust me, had it

920
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: done myself, and I love it.

921
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: Freshing. I will say this again, just blowing me away.

922
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: This this felt to me very andririan.

923
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: It's this idea of how, like the New Republic, they

924
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: need to do some stuff, but they're getting rid of

925
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: all this Empire technology.

926
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: But they kept the mind.

927
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 4: Flare and not just that but lower and then arguing

928
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: essentially like they're basically these are the things that they

929
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: used to say about giving women electric shock therapy that

930
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: they still do say about using it on people.

931
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: You know, I just I thought this was it was

932
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: this great balance and this is.

933
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: So good in the writing.

934
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: It's hilarious because of the way the mon Kalamari delivers it,

935
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: but it's really chilling. And even though you're like, ashit,

936
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: what the fuck, bro, You're like, this went really deep,

937
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: really quickly. This like wrong direction where you're just like

938
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: mind flayers. You're like, guys, literally listen to the name,

939
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: don't do it, but do whatever you need to do.

940
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Again, we've lowered the vaultage and we prefer to call

941
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: them mind Yeah, we're not We're not quite flaying. There

942
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a lot of textural Yeah,

943
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: that's what it is.

944
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: I will say. He looked very chill when they first

945
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: thaw it, like he enjoying your Yeah.

946
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: So Pershing is then arguing, hey, wait it first of all,

947
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: before you turn the flayir on like I was entrapped.

948
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: It was Ellie.

949
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: He then says very funnily to the Moncli Mari. It

950
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: was a trapped in absolutely wonderful statement.

951
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: We see Ellie watching from the other side of the window,

952
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: which is weird. You shouldn't be allowed to do this.

953
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: You JUSTI this is a sadistic good choice. Yeah.

954
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Also like this is just bad trade craft from the

955
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Coruscant police, Like you shouldn't let your informer. You should

956
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: arrest your informer as well and be like you're both

957
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: taken into customs. So like the person has no idea

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: who ratted a mat. This is a great informant.

959
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: You make a great point, and I think this again

960
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 3: showcases what we were talking about about the early days

961
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: of the New Republic and where they are in this

962
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: kind of like bureaucratic space. Because the other cop who's

963
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: in there with hers kind of the the mind flayer technician.

964
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: He's just like the mind what do you do? What

965
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: do you do? Honey? How is working on a tough

966
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: day of mind flawing fight ten minds?

967
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: You know, accidentally nudged it when I was reaching for

968
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: my coffee and flayed it instead of jostling it flatd

969
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: guy today played ten guys O dear, like he's literally

970
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: just in there, like you're incredible.

971
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: This is the ship, like this is You're so good

972
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: at what you do. This is why you're here.

973
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: He's like, for every failure, like this man in front

974
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: of us, there is a success, and you are that success.

975
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: In informing on these people. And I'm just like these

976
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: these guys they're as they're at. Sometimes they are as

977
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: silly as pershing for not seeing what is clearly going

978
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: on here.

979
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Yes, completely agree. Uh so elliot is like, man, this

980
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: is crazy to watch this.

981
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, just definitely be flaying before. I do not believe.

982
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: The technician is like, hey, you can leave. You don't

983
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: have to stay here, and she's like, no, no, I

984
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: got it. If you want to take a breast or break,

985
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: I will watch.

986
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: She's like, he's my friend. I need to watch, you know.

987
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: Like he was wrong, but like there's a connection there

988
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: and I just I want to be here for him.

989
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: The tech then leaves her alone, which is.

990
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: Like, and so does everyone else. Calmar why everyone's just leaving?

991
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Don't this is like, don't leave a candle on in

992
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: an unattended in a room. Don't leave someone hooked up

993
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: to a mind flare and walk away.

994
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: Stay there in the whole time. If we are. If

995
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: we are, as we have been saying that you should.

996
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: Be keeping a better eye on the holistic existence of

997
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: ex imperials in your space.

998
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: Don't just leave an.

999
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: Ex imperial with the mind flat. That's a bad idea,

1000
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: like the mind flower has one of the most ominous

1001
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: names of all time. Don't do it, just don't do it.

1002
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: Like so, as soon as the tech leaves, as soon

1003
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: as it tech leaves, g cranks up the voltage to

1004
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: full mind potentially let all the way slaying. And as

1005
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: she's flaying, she cracks open one of those delicious a

1006
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: tin of delicious biscuits, Imperial biscuits.

1007
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: In case you wondered which side she was on.

1008
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: That's right, that's not the force choking you. That's the

1009
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: dryness of the biscuit. And she and she just cranks

1010
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: one down. Uh in what again is a it is

1011
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: a very very over it in your face.

1012
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Yes, she is remains And also as we kind of

1013
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: like we we kind of touched on it.

1014
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: But when she informs on uh pershing and he yets caught.

1015
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: She is so trusted by the New Republic that she

1016
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: takes away the box of imperial tools that he stole,

1017
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 3: so arguably she and whoever she is working for now

1018
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: have what they need to start testing on babies and

1019
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: building a Palpatine.

1020
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: I think what I think what she is trying to

1021
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: do here is to say, look at how they treated you.

1022
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: They're no better than the In fact, aren't they're just

1023
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: the same. Look what they did.

1024
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: They said they weren't gonna mind flame. Then they fleeed you.

1025
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's really sick.

1026
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: You should just do you know, you're trying to help.

1027
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: If he's realize it, Yeah, I mean this is this

1028
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: is almost directly from the Palpatine playbook, which is like, my,

1029
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: see what they're trying to do. They're trying to stop

1030
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: us from doing good. They're the same as the bad guys,

1031
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: aren't they are.

1032
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: They Look they're gonna hut you and everyone around you,

1033
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: and in this case, you're gonna get your mind flawed.

1034
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that that's exactly what her play I

1035
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: think she definitely was always gonna crank it. I'm interested

1036
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: to know if when he basically started being like no,

1037
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: it was her she like entrapped me. Like that's when

1038
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: she was like, maybe I'll crank you a bit high.

1039
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: I see why I can.

1040
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Just make sure we get all of the.

1041
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

1042
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: We go back to the the titular character this show,

1043
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: Mandlo and Bo. He's taking her to the covert, his covert,

1044
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, I know I don't need to

1045
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: say this, but you're they go by the old ways. Uh.

1046
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: And I know that you've not been so fine. You've

1047
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: been kind of openly critical, honestly of the old ways,

1048
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: not to mention hanging out like in your castle in

1049
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: front of her taking your helmet off, so please please, please, okay,

1050
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: leave your helmet on. Also, a crocodile can come out

1051
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: of that water at anytime, and.

1052
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: You need to be ready.

1053
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: They land pas Visla is like, hey, what are you

1054
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: doing here? Apostate den Jarren, the Mandalorian who's been cast

1055
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: out because you took your helmet off dinner is like, bitch,

1056
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm redeemed.

1057
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like it's me, Almah Walls. You are

1058
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: not redeemed. Like it's not happening for you.

1059
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: He's like, actually, that's like no, fuck, I've been redeemed.

1060
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: And this is how I went to our home planet.

1061
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I went to the I went to Mandalor and guess

1062
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: what it's all lies about how they say it's polluted,

1063
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: it's not. You can live there, and you can go there.

1064
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: And I went and I bathed in the fucking living waters.

1065
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: And Bo is like, yep, that's true. We have been

1066
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: to the living waters. And then Din pulls out the

1067
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: vial in case anybody dares to question him, the armor,

1068
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: let's test fuck off.

1069
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck this shit. The Armor then runs a test

1070
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: on the waters. Uh very SCIENTI okay, she's pouring it

1071
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: into some other water and it does something and she's like, you.

1072
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: Know what, that's Mandalorian uh living water folks, and uh,

1073
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: Din jarn, you are redeemed. This is the way, babe.

1074
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: And uh by the way, Bo, who we have a

1075
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of political disagreements with you, but you have also

1076
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: not removed your helmet in like thirty minutes, But it's

1077
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: the thirty minutes since you bathe the living waters. Therefore

1078
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: you are redeemed as well.

1079
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: As long as you stay domed up, you can.

1080
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Stay with us and Bo. It's the physical acting. Whoever

1081
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: is in either of the you.

1082
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: Know, he is like, I feel like she's in that suit.

1083
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: Because she is, but I think it's Katie and Pedro

1084
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: most of the time, but whoever it is, the physical

1085
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: acting here is amazing because it's, well, how would that

1086
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: being able to see her face? You can tell that Bo,

1087
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: while she doesn't want to admit, it feels like feels

1088
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: the weight of that acceptance and feels like, on some

1089
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: level like she is home.

1090
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of I love this as well

1091
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: because it's really funny because they kind of go, oh,

1092
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, you haven't taken off your helmet, right, and

1093
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: she's like, no, like casually, and she acts surprised, and

1094
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 3: you get these great shoulder movements and this had boh, look,

1095
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 3: this is Bo. This bitch takes off her helmet everywhere.

1096
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: And guess what, they knew it was safe in the minds.

1097
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 3: They knew it was safe on that planet. But after

1098
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: she came out of that water, at least subconsciously, she

1099
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: kept it on.

1100
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: You know. I feel like deep down she.

1101
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 3: Kind of in the back of her mind, like when

1102
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: you do when you're a kid, or when you're just

1103
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: kind of daydreaming.

1104
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: You're like, imagine if this happened, like.

1105
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 3: It seems rare, but I think in her mind she

1106
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: had probably played out like what if I went back,

1107
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: and they were just like, well, you went in the

1108
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: water too, so you're a deem.

1109
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1110
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a really great moment as well, because

1111
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: I think this shows a shift in how the Armorer

1112
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: sees the Mandalorians, like they need more people.

1113
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: And I love this kind of It's very different to

1114
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 3: anything we've seen her do. She's usually very hardcore. But

1115
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: the fact that she says to Bo, she's like, look,

1116
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: you can leave whenever you want. She's like, if you

1117
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: want to take the helmet off, you can go, but

1118
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: if you keep it on, you're welcome here. That seems

1119
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 3: to me like that widening of kind of who and

1120
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: what a Mandalorian can be. And I think that's gonna

1121
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 3: be an interesting next step.

1122
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Why hasn't Beau mentioned anything

1123
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: about the Methosaur.

1124
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: That's why I want to know. I have a theory.

1125
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: You tell me if this I think a lot of

1126
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: it is what you know, we've seen over the course

1127
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: of these last few episodes, how disconnected feels, and I

1128
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: think for a lot of good reasons. You know, she's

1129
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: had her heartbroken numerous times with regards to the internal

1130
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: politics politics of Mandalor or her own connection to Mandalorian identity,

1131
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: the genocide of her people, et cetera.

1132
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: You know, the inability to do anything.

1133
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: About it, all of these things, and and and it's

1134
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: only natural that would lead you to wonder, like.

1135
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: Are we doing something wrong?

1136
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Like why can't we defend ourselves even when our whole

1137
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: ethos is supposed to.

1138
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: Be about our house in battle?

1139
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: Like what is it about our philosophy that is weakening?

1140
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: Is I think that she is has been, you know,

1141
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: so divorced from Mandalorian culture to the point where you know,

1142
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: she's been openly of it. And I think she's taken

1143
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: the apostate identity in some way to heart. And and

1144
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: yet this incredible revelation has been delivered to her. The

1145
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: mythosaurt is real. And it must be a very lonely

1146
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: feeling because not only does do all these people her

1147
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: people view her as an outsider, an identity that she

1148
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: kind of was coming, you know, some ways towards embracing.

1149
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: But now she has this incredible news for them that

1150
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: they are going to be blown away, Like they are

1151
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: going to take it very emotionally, spiritually, It's going to

1152
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: mean a lot. It's this is a historic moment in

1153
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: the in the annals of the mandalaring people, and here

1154
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: is this person who doesn't believe in any invasion any more,

1155
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: and that information has been given to her. Yeah, it

1156
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: must it just must be such a weird, strange and

1157
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: discomfitting feeling. And I'm sure she just with regardless to

1158
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: her not saying anything. She just doesn't know how to

1159
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: say it or how it will be received exactly.

1160
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: It's really scared.

1161
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: About, like what will happen when I say this thing

1162
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: to them?

1163
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: What woul like?

1164
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: It would be heartbreaking on a certain level for her

1165
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: to say, guys, the Mithsissaur is real. I saw it,

1166
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: and for them to go get the fuck.

1167
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and why would they believe? I think you

1168
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: summed it up so succinctly. I think she's I think

1169
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 3: there's two levels to it, and you basically eloquently put

1170
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: it across in the perfect way. But I would say

1171
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: overwhelmed and shocked, like she's in shock this thing exists.

1172
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: She saw it, and she has already worked out very

1173
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: quickly that she is the only one who saw it.

1174
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: She has no backup, she has no one to you know,

1175
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: collaborate her story.

1176
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: And I just.

1177
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: Think it's like like you said, it's that it's kind

1178
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: of incredible narrative storytelling that the one person who doesn't

1179
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: believe Eve is given.

1180
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: This burden of truth, you know.

1181
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: And then like you said, I mean that this is

1182
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: obviously in a way super heavily on her because the

1183
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: episode ends with her looking at the Mythosaur on the wall,

1184
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 3: the kind of logo of the Mandalorian and not telling people. Also,

1185
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: I think another added layer is you get she turns

1186
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: up Pasvisla, doesn't believe them, doesn't want to hear about it.

1187
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: That cements in her mind, oh, well, they're not gonna

1188
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: believe me. Then she's welcomed into the fold, and there's

1189
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: this incredible moment of kind of camaraderie at the end

1190
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: when everyone says this is the way and they kind

1191
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: of welcome them in and they hug them and stuff,

1192
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: and then she's like, well, fuck, like now I found

1193
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: this kind of like acceptance and home and I got

1194
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: to tell these people there's a mythysaur. And then she

1195
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: is also someone who has wielded the Dark Saber. Arguably

1196
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: I believe she could have taken it back after having

1197
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: it last episode. I think there's like an interesting thing there,

1198
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: but she knows what it is to be a legendary

1199
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: Mandalorian who wields a legendary thing, and what is the

1200
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: legend of the mythsaur Mandalorians ride them? So then does

1201
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: that set up this kind of inflict between her and

1202
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: whoever else does it? The fact that she saw it

1203
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: mean she is the one who's gonna ride it or

1204
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: will she end up being pushed aside? So Din or

1205
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: another Mandlauring can write it. There's so many interesting layers,

1206
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: but let's just say this. I think what we can

1207
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: say is we're gonna be going back to Mandalor this season.

1208
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: That is my prediction. Ohly, even if she only tells Din.

1209
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: Lastly, it really feels like with the middle piece of

1210
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: this episode, we're heading towards Snoke, right, We're gonna let's

1211
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: find out that's what it's gonna be. We're gonna find

1212
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: the origins of Snoke. It's gonna be Palpatin's DNA, some

1213
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: of Grogu's horrifically, some of Grogu's DNA, and who knows

1214
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: what else. But it feels like that's yeah, I think

1215
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: connection towards.

1216
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: Snow, and I think I think we're heading towards how

1217
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: they resurrected Palpatine, which was this kind of this this

1218
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 3: amalgamation of blood from his bloodline, you know, mixed with

1219
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: probably baby Yoda's blood.

1220
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: Poor baby.

1221
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: I don't like what it says for the baby, but

1222
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: I am very interested. I thought, I think if they

1223
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: lean into that and Dorian more politically nuanced, like in depth,

1224
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: and we had a lot of laughs talking about it,

1225
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: because that's just how we enjoy talking about this stuff.

1226
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: But there's a lot there. It's deep, it's.

1227
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: Kind of upsetting, it's really unsettling. I think that is

1228
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: the way to explore and add gravitas to what felt like, Oh,

1229
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: we just want to bring Palpatine back, and I would

1230
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: love to see that.

1231
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: I think great.

1232
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 3: Call on on Snooke being our first stopping gap. I think,

1233
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, Jon Favreau's talked about the Mandalorian. I don't

1234
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: think he said he doesn't really know how many seasons

1235
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: it's going to go, So I think Palpatine would probably

1236
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 3: be later. But I think we can assume that we're

1237
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: heading towards the sequel trilogy. Now, what does that mean

1238
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: for who we will see or what we will hear

1239
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 3: about that's very interesting to me.

1240
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: Well, a really media episode. I was shocked when it

1241
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: came in at like fifty three minutes.

1242
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, longest longest one so far.

1243
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: I think I can't wait to see where this goes

1244
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: up next.

1245
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: Nerd Out.

1246
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1247
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 2: In today's nut Out, will you tell us what you love?

1248
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Am why?

1249
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: Or a theory that Eric excites shah listena Ike brings

1250
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: an RPGA's mindset to the Mandalorian.

1251
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: Hi Yang One strong thought I couldn't stop having since

1252
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: seeing the Mandalorian Season three Episode two was about bestcar

1253
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: they've already shown. The metal is incredibly rare, super useful

1254
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: and can be reforged in the creepy monster's layer on Mandalor.

1255
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: There are just heaps of helmets and armor and stuff

1256
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: laying around. If I'm Boca ten or gin Ordnjarren, I'd

1257
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: be filling my ship with that stuff.

1258
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: You'd be set for life.

1259
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the RPG gamer in me, but they need

1260
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: to be looting that dungeon. Not even a word about it.

1261
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: We're just gonna ignore piles of precious metal armor. Maybe

1262
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: there's a world Bird upgrade in there. Just look at it.

1263
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: It can't hurt to try best, Ike, right, boy, I

1264
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: mean it is like a great point. There's like a

1265
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: there's billions of credits like mad lawyer r.

1266
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 3: I would be smashing every jaw, you know, every every

1267
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 3: part to see what is hidden inside.

1268
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: I would assume that the plain answer is.

1269
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: People thought that Mandolo was poisoned, so they didn't go there.

1270
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the the propaganda about the place

1271
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: has held And I and further, you know, it's unclear

1272
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: to me that any you know, other than this person

1273
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: who then you know, intersected with the jaws. It's not

1274
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: clear to me that very many people at all have

1275
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: ever even dared to go there. Like it's it's very

1276
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: possible that it was just whoever that one individual was.

1277
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: So I think that it's it might be that. I'm

1278
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: sure that there's a scientific reason for everybody to believe

1279
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: that the planet is poisoned. But I think that I

1280
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: think that probably most people just assume that it's poisoned,

1281
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: which is why they haven't gone there. But yeah, I

1282
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: agree with I agree with you Ike, Like next thing

1283
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: should be go there and get all the stuff that's

1284
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: useful and get it out.

1285
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: Although the one person, and I will say should have

1286
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 3: been doing this earlier. Is Bokatan Babe, you knew it

1287
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: wasn't poisoned. You told Dinn it wasn't poisoned. You should

1288
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: have been in there with your crew raiding all that

1289
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: Best Scar. Maybe you we'll find out you did raid

1290
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 3: some of it.

1291
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: But I think it would be interesting.

1292
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 3: I do think that this is likely gonna be a

1293
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: plot point going forward, because if they're trying to rebuild

1294
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 3: Mandolin and Bestcar is incredibly rare, the fact that there

1295
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: is at least some in the minds gives them a

1296
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: reason to go, even.

1297
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: If they don't believe Bo about the mythosole.

1298
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: Also, I will say, I think because of Dinn's obsession

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Speaker 3: with being redeemed and that happening, and then Bo see

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Speaker 3: this legendary creature that she didn't know if or believe in,

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Speaker 3: I think that they're both that is probably at the

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Speaker 3: back of their mind, even though they should absolutely be

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Speaker 3: be rayed in the dungeon.

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Speaker 1: About this hair brain tinfoil head theory under some not all,

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Speaker 1: because I think the timelines don't quite line up. Some

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Speaker 1: of the materials used to build Star Killer Base come

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Speaker 1: from mandalor.

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Speaker 3: Ooh see, now you're talking I love this. I love

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Speaker 3: imagining the connections. I mean, why not they are taking all.

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Speaker 1: This material there, metal of you know, incredibly strong metal,

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Speaker 1: other types of mind.

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Speaker 2: We also know that they weapons of our kids.

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Speaker 3: We also know that the First Order Troopers were orphaned

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Speaker 3: babies and kids that they stole. Very likely that some

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Speaker 3: of them would know of Manned the Law, maybe it

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Speaker 3: had heard rumors of it or had family from there.

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Speaker 3: It would not at all be a stretch to imagine

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Speaker 3: that may come into play, which would also be great

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Speaker 3: because again it adds more of that conflict between Mandalor

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Speaker 3: and Din's two sides of like the Force and Mandalor

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Speaker 3: and going against you know, this kind of fascistic New

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Speaker 3: Force user.

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Speaker 2: I love that idea.

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Speaker 1: Now, the timelines are a little fuzzy because the construction

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Speaker 1: on Star Killer happened like way way earlier than this,

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Speaker 1: But maybe some of the materials, you know, to build

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Speaker 1: the super weapon or something I could imagine that happening anyway,

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Speaker 1: great question, Ike, Thank you so much. If you have

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Speaker 1: theories or passions you want to share, hit us up

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Speaker 1: at x ray at crooker dot com instructions or in

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Speaker 1: the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Rosie.

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Speaker 1: That is it for us plugs, plugs, plugs, plugs, what

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Speaker 1: do you have to plug?

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Speaker 3: You can find me here twice a week with you,

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Speaker 3: which is just the most fun talking about all this

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I have cool pieces recently at polygon

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Speaker 3: ign all kinds of fun places like that.

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Speaker 2: I'll be writing a lot about yellowjackets.

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Speaker 3: And you can find me Rosie marks on social and yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's it.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode Wednesday, March twenty second, and of

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Speaker 1: course remember bringing you two episodes a week. That's Wednesday

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Speaker 3: we're in a fancy studio, so you never know what

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Speaker 3: we're up to, nice retweets, fun reimaginings of the account.

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Speaker 3: Like Pager a Pascal and join our discord like we

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Speaker 2: A lot, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Everyone on the discord feels like the Spider Man meme

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Speaker 3: whenever we mention the discord on here, so you get that,

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Speaker 3: and me and Jason are in there and we do

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Speaker 3: cool watch parties and talk about all kinds of things,

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Speaker 3: even outside the realm of the stuff we talk about

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Speaker 3: on Extra Vision.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Five star ratings, five star fine them.

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Speaker 2: You gotta give it to us. One from Max Power.

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Speaker 1: So ten fantastic. Rosie and Jason are so much fun

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Speaker 1: to listen to. Even with the properties I don't follow,

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Speaker 1: I still enjoy their recaps because they really get free insight.

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Speaker 1: I recommend it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Mad Max Max Powers, the Famous Max Powers Wow.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Sal Rubin.

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Speaker 1: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy's Rhart

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Speaker 1: handles social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for a theme music.

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Speaker 2: We will see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Right, Hey, Mike, this is not from Marine. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Listen, Mike. There's no good way

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Speaker 1: to say this. You know, I know this. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of complicated feelings about the Empire these days. They did.

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Speaker 1: They made a lot of mistakes, Mike. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: say she didn't make a lot of mistakes. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: know I did vote for him, but it was for

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Speaker 1: tax purposes. But one thing nobody talks about. They always

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Speaker 1: bring up all their on they bring up the kids

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Speaker 1: at the Jedi time. One thing nobody talks about. They

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Speaker 1: never give them their credit for this is the biscuits, Mike.

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Speaker 1: They travel biscuits. They're amazing, Mike. They will change your life, Mike,

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Speaker 1: if you ever get a chance to try them. I

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Speaker 1: understand the biscuits are illegal under the Corosont Accords right now,

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Speaker 1: but if you ever by Hooker by cook, you get

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Speaker 1: your hands on them, they will, Mike, the change of life,

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Speaker 1: The change your life, Mike. I'll take my hands off

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Speaker 1: the air. May thank you.