WEBVTT - Knicks Stay Alive, Thunder are Built Different, and NBA Front Office Talk with Keith Smith

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of the Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>One series is over, another is headed to game six

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<v Speaker 2>and Indie, Yes, the Knicks took care of business in

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<v Speaker 2>Madison Square Garden and maybe, just maybe, and he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>the case of the meat sweats with Okay, see waiting

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<v Speaker 2>the winner.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to break down.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have Keith Smith, the genius from spot Track

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was fow Track for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time. So just very really really today to give

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<v Speaker 2>us all the details on the finals as well as

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<v Speaker 2>all the tea from around the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith is the best.

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<v Speaker 2>So Wyatt's dropped that motherfucking beat that should be Rihanna.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to the Hottest the Hottest Indy a podcast

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<v Speaker 3>out here. I said what I said, it's the heat

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<v Speaker 3>Check check which stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Crit So the Knicks you were dying scut check game cut.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pacers lead in the Eastern Conference Finals now to

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<v Speaker 2>three to two.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately you could tell the Knicks had come to play.

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<v Speaker 2>They were desperate, bloodthirsty, physical, intense, focused in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that normally they have these lapses. A lot of out

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<v Speaker 2>of control plays on both sides, particularly from the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has been a hot minute since the Pacers

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<v Speaker 2>played a game with this many turnovers, which is nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen turnovers for the Pacers, not the type of thing

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<v Speaker 2>that they normally do. But the funny part was at

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<v Speaker 2>various times in the second half the Knicks were up

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and yet Madison Square Garden has seen enough of

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<v Speaker 2>these games that they treated it like it was a

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<v Speaker 2>three point game. That is how traumatized they are, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's how traumatized they've been over time by the Pacers.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had two things tonight that they absolutely needed.

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<v Speaker 2>One with Karl Anthony Town's very aggressive in a monster

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<v Speaker 2>game despite playing with a little bit of a knee contusion.

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<v Speaker 1>The big Perr, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kitty cat was unstoppable. He was an a grown main coon,

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<v Speaker 2>a grown man that was a big aggressive cat. We

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<v Speaker 2>got it again from Karl Anthony Towns in one second

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<v Speaker 2>quarter sequence. He had a smooth three sprinted back on

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<v Speaker 2>defense and he was the first knick back, then helped

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<v Speaker 2>defend the paint, led to a turnover, ran down to

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<v Speaker 2>the other end and scored a two three possessions that

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<v Speaker 2>he dominated in less than a minute, resulting in.

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<v Speaker 1>Five Knicks points.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended the game as the second leading scorer for

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<v Speaker 2>the Knicks. What did he have in terms of his points?

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<v Speaker 2>Karl Anthony Towns had twenty four, Jalen Brunson thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting stuff. The other thing that the Knicks had

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the folks that I was on right after the

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<v Speaker 2>game in the live stream. We should have known that

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson was gonna have one hell of a game

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a law in order game. Baby done,

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<v Speaker 2>don unduh. And like Mariska Haggerty from Waterer sdu if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know her, she's like Jalen Brunson's idol. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that he's she's the only celebrity on Celebrity Roll

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<v Speaker 2>that he gets excited about seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he puts up thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Two to five and five on a night that almost

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<v Speaker 2>every veteran the met in America had played his under

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and a half. He was four to seven from deep,

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<v Speaker 2>just looked incredible, unstoppable, unguardable, immediately hot from three, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think when Jalen Brunson is hitting step back three

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<v Speaker 2>splashed in your face, this team is very hard to beat.

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<v Speaker 2>And he only played thirty four minutes and for Tibbs

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<v Speaker 2>and a TIBs coach team. When are we getting that?

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<v Speaker 2>When do we get a thirty four minute game from

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<v Speaker 2>any star on a team that Tibbs coaches. No, Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Starter actually had more than thirty six minutes. We got

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<v Speaker 2>Precious che Chulia minutes, we got Landry Schamet chance, we

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<v Speaker 2>got Delawn right minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was insane. The Pacers were also ice cool, terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Halliburton had seven shots Turner and nem hard Nie Smith

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<v Speaker 2>top and all were negative twenty or worse on Net ratings.

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<v Speaker 2>Halliburton slash line was eight two and six, and two

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<v Speaker 2>of those shots that he took were in the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>quarter when the game was already over. I told Dan

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the Dan Levatard stream right after the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I told Juju, Tony and Dan. I thought maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacers just knew they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have it and said, we're just not gonna expend this

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<v Speaker 2>much energy trying to get back into the game.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a punt, but it's kind of a punt.

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<v Speaker 2>How bad was it?

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<v Speaker 3>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>We had Johnny Murphy minutes, Johnny Furfey minutes, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Jeris Walker minutes, we had Ben Shephard offensive fouls.

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<v Speaker 2>We had just insane amount of players that you should

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<v Speaker 2>not ever see for this many minutes, like our man

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Mathurn was the leading scorer. Some Knicks fan on

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<v Speaker 2>Reddit hired a witch on Etsy to place a hex

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<v Speaker 2>on the Pacers and use the sixty percent off coupon

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. Must have been saving up for some

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<v Speaker 2>pizza and some some sort of beer champagne after the

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks win.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She's about to be the richest witch on the west

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<v Speaker 2>in the planet right now because Knicks fans are jumping

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<v Speaker 2>on board trying to put another He's on the Pacers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we have an unreal Game six in Indiana on Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 2>and I for one cannot wait.

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<v Speaker 1>The Knicks are still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Their championship's odds dropped from plus twenty five hundred twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five to one to sixteen hundred, but the Pacers still

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<v Speaker 2>have two more chances to put a stake in their heart.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they don't, we got a Game seven in

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<v Speaker 2>the Garden on Monday night and.

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<v Speaker 1>All bets are off up next.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Smith from spot Track, All right, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>My guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith smith Man host the Front Office Show podcast, The

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<v Speaker 2>Man at Spoke Track, the Guy and the place that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody goes to break down the dollars, to break down

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<v Speaker 2>the sense. With this new CBA, it's more important than

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<v Speaker 2>ever to get the download. And you and Trevor Lane

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<v Speaker 2>together are just electric.

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<v Speaker 3>Keith, I appreciate that. Yea, we have a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Who would think a Celtics guy and a Lakers guy

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<v Speaker 3>could come together and have a pretty fun podcast, But

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<v Speaker 3>I think we managed to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 1>That just shows you piece, give piece a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it basketball universal language.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start off with the teams in the

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<v Speaker 2>West Okase finishing off Minnesota in five games, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was really only one close good game to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you saw also the Thunder blow out the Nuggets

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<v Speaker 2>one game. You saw them blow out the Grizzlies one game,

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<v Speaker 2>And to that, I kept going back to how skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>people were all year of the Thunder and I just

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't really understand it other than we haven't seen it before.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, like, what do you make of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that even NBA teams were hoping to draw the

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<v Speaker 2>Thunder because they weren't afraid of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the NBA is a weird sport in that unless

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<v Speaker 3>you've done it, no one really believes you can. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of other sports don't really feel that way.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like in baseball or football, if you have

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<v Speaker 3>a good regular season, they're like they're the best team

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this year, and off we go. But in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 3>you could win seventy games and the Thunder almost did

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<v Speaker 3>and people are like, yeah, prove it to me in

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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs. And it's part of that is the nature

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<v Speaker 3>of it, right, it's seven game series. You gotta calm,

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<v Speaker 3>you gotta bring it. You're gonna be tested. Nobody he

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<v Speaker 3>gets super lucky. I don't think in the NBA. Every

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<v Speaker 3>once in a while you get lucky with matchups. But

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<v Speaker 3>you got to be healthy yourself. You got to win

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<v Speaker 3>four times four times to win a title, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's huge. So I think when you get into it

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<v Speaker 3>with the Thunder, that was just it. People needed to

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<v Speaker 3>see it. But I now's they making the finals better

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<v Speaker 3>if removed all doubt. If anybody still has Deubt left,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to tell them at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, it's kind of insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's also because it's a different type

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<v Speaker 2>of game in the postseason, right, Like there's more disparity

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<v Speaker 2>between what a regular season NBA game looks like and

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<v Speaker 2>a postseason NBA game looks like than say NFL or

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<v Speaker 2>college football or any other sport.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there is. I think games get more physical.

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<v Speaker 3>Pace slows way down in the playoffs. The thunder were

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<v Speaker 3>they're They're clearly ready for the physical part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They love to play a physical game. The pace. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they're super worried about the games slowing down

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. They're gonna do what they do, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was some of the doubt there. They

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<v Speaker 3>also extremely young team. They only have two guys that

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<v Speaker 3>are over the age of thirty, that's Alex Crusoe and

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<v Speaker 3>Kenrick Williams. So I think when you're relying on so

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<v Speaker 3>much of your rotation and your key guys as young guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a fact question of are they ready

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<v Speaker 3>for this or are they gonna be ready? What are

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<v Speaker 3>they gonna do when it's a close game late. I

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<v Speaker 3>think some of the way they remove those questions are

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really let them be close late. They're the

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<v Speaker 3>best team I can ever remember, and I've been watching

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA for a very long time at flipping games

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<v Speaker 3>from a five point deficit to a fifteen point lead happens.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I said, this morning, you walk to the

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<v Speaker 3>fridge to get a drink and you come back and

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<v Speaker 3>like what happened? Like where did this go? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>They're just so good with the way they do that

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<v Speaker 3>to start forcing the turnovers when they're at home, the

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<v Speaker 3>crowd gets rocking and everybody's going, so yeah. Just a really,

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<v Speaker 3>really good team.

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<v Speaker 2>Defensively, the thing that I'm impressed about is that they

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<v Speaker 2>basically just create these ten oher runs just off their

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<v Speaker 2>defense alone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I also thought it was interesting that the Thunder could

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<v Speaker 2>go from losing by forty to winning by forty in

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<v Speaker 2>the same series.

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<v Speaker 1>What explains that to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think that was Mark Dagnall basically very early

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<v Speaker 3>in the loss saying it's not happening tonight. I am

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<v Speaker 3>not putting any more miles on my guys. I'm pulling

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<v Speaker 3>the plug and that's it. Like he didn't mess around

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<v Speaker 3>at all. I don't know that anybody really even got

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<v Speaker 3>to twenty five thirty minutes in that game, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>something a lot of coaches they'll they'll kind of keep going,

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<v Speaker 3>keep going until there's seven eight minutes left in the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth quarter, and then maybe they'll finally give up. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he was like, it doesn't matter in the playoff

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<v Speaker 3>we lose by one hundred, it doesn't matter. It's one game,

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<v Speaker 3>y know, we'll come back and play again tomorrow. We

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<v Speaker 3>still have a good series lead, and let's go. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's huge. I think too often coaches are like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>let's chase, we don't want to get embarrassed. Let's keep going,

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<v Speaker 3>keep going. And it's just not the way to handle it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I think you want to. You'll pull

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<v Speaker 3>the plug early. And then yeah, like you said, they

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<v Speaker 3>get these runs in these games and it's like an avalanche.

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<v Speaker 3>They start turning you over live ball turnovers leading to

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<v Speaker 3>runout baskets, and the next thing you know, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>lead is expanded and you're kind of out of the

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<v Speaker 3>game and you're standing around looking around like what just happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Like where did this come from? So yeah, they're just

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<v Speaker 3>a really really good team.

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<v Speaker 2>So Shae MVP, I've been really excited about Shay since

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<v Speaker 2>probably I mean when Chris Paul came over to the

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<v Speaker 2>Thunder and we saw what he could be, and even

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<v Speaker 2>back when they got Pokashvski and everybody's excited about him,

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<v Speaker 2>and Shae felt like he was kind of the next

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<v Speaker 2>man up even back then. But what I find to

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<v Speaker 2>be so fascinating about Shay's ascent I've never heard maybe

0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson, but again, he kind of came out of

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote nowhere as well, the foul merchant controversy, the

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<v Speaker 2>asterisk around him being the scoring champion and the MVP

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<v Speaker 2>Doris Burke saying the words foul merchant. Why do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's becoming such a storyline with him when so

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<v Speaker 2>many great NBA players of the course of history have

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<v Speaker 2>been quote unquote also foul merchants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, That's the thing that's been kind of bothersome to

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<v Speaker 3>me is a lot of great scorers have been guys

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<v Speaker 3>who pile up, pile up free throws, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>with with like, even if we go back more recent history,

0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.960
<v Speaker 3>James Harden was that way with the Rockets when he

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<v Speaker 3>was winning the MVP, and in that conversation he was

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<v Speaker 3>getting the free throw line of time. And I think

0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.079
<v Speaker 3>there's two parts. One is nobody really likes free throws,

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<v Speaker 3>right that they're kind of the worst part of the game,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it just everything stops. It's one guy and you

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<v Speaker 3>watch for a minute he takes two free throws and

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<v Speaker 3>then we move on with the rest of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that part annoys people. And then I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of it is the thunder are there. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It usually takes winning a couple of times for this

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<v Speaker 3>to happen. But they're kind of already flipping the script

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<v Speaker 3>where people like, I don't really like this team, like

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<v Speaker 3>some of it is. They're kind of brash, right, they'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk trash, they'll they'll you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a better version of the Memphis Grizzlies.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Yep, yeah, exactly. And I think I think people,

0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.960
<v Speaker 3>you haven't wont anything yet, you know, shut it, shut up,

0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.880
<v Speaker 3>we don't want to watch it. But I think the

0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.960
<v Speaker 3>reality is like you have some of that. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I think there are some questionable calls in there, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna scream and yell at about it, yell

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<v Speaker 3>about it. It's what happens, you know. It's fine I

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<v Speaker 3>think for shake Yo, just Alexander in particular. The issue

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<v Speaker 3>with him is he moves like like one of I

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<v Speaker 3>compare him to when you go buy a car dealership,

0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.360
<v Speaker 3>they've got that blow up guy and he's kind of

0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.040
<v Speaker 3>like winking all over and stuff like that's what it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like to me with him, Like he's just like

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<v Speaker 3>one of those blow up things, and it's like he

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<v Speaker 3>gets these angles and I say, he's slithery, like that's

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.400
<v Speaker 3>what he reminds me of it. And there's times he

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<v Speaker 3>just draws fives that other guys wouldn't draw, but more

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<v Speaker 3>often than not, they're there. And my overarching thing with

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<v Speaker 3>this point is the less folks worry about the officiating

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<v Speaker 3>in games, the more you'll enjoy the game. Like just

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<v Speaker 3>watch the game, like it's it's I see so many

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<v Speaker 3>people there and it's the same people on social media

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<v Speaker 3>every game it's that's a bad call, that's a bad call.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a bad call, and it's like, what, like is

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<v Speaker 3>that why you watch to call bad calls? Like just

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know. I have a hard time

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<v Speaker 3>with that much complaining about the refs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the referee police, they want to like the free

0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 2>throw disparity police. The Laker fans are big free throw Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's incredible too, because maybe it also is because

0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the thunder are so physical themselves, and then you see

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<v Speaker 2>Shake get so many touch fouls.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that has anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>it either, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. I think there's definitely some of that

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<v Speaker 3>in there as well. And I think, you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>all of the things that the thunder uh do really well,

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<v Speaker 3>they gave up a lot of free throws in their games.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they were, Yeah, I just looked it up.

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<v Speaker 3>They were twenty six in free opponent free throws this

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<v Speaker 3>year for free throws per you know, per field goal attempt.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really not good. And but that's part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then when you play that physical defense, you're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>in a way daring the referees call all the files right,

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<v Speaker 3>like we're gonna do what We're going to challenge you

0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.080
<v Speaker 3>with this, and that gets to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>tricky with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get your thoughts on Jalen Williams J

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<v Speaker 2>DUB because man, if you juxtapose the Denver series outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Game seven, he was I mean there were legit

0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:05.000
<v Speaker 2>pundits being like, can Jada be your second score on

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<v Speaker 2>a championship team?

0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Do we have to rely on chets development more?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you have in game six, six, seven, and ten,

0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.200
<v Speaker 2>shot three for sixteen from the field, And then you

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<v Speaker 2>juxtapose that with Game four against Minnesota where they needed

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<v Speaker 2>these points from.

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<v Speaker 1>Him in a game that could have been in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>Win thirty four, three and five on thirteen for twenty four. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your take and your thoughts on him and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what we've seen blossom before our very eyes and

0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.640
<v Speaker 2>his impact on this team and offensively and defensively.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think when you look at his full body

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<v Speaker 3>of work regular season plus playoffs, he's terrific. And that's

0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.320
<v Speaker 3>why he made All NBA. That's why he made all defense.

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<v Speaker 3>Really versatile defender. There were moments I think people have

0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of forgotten because it was so long ago. Chet

0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Holmgren out and as a Hardenstein out, he was playing

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.199
<v Speaker 3>the five for them. You're starting games at center, and

0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.720
<v Speaker 3>he's like, I think they list him at six's eight,

0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 3>but he's like six' six at, best and did they

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 3>were holding up and doing what they do and playing

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.600
<v Speaker 3>hyper aggressive and and all. That he's you, know arguably

0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.880
<v Speaker 3>one of the more versatile defenders we have in the entire.

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<v Speaker 3>League and then, offensively his his game is really rounded out.

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Nicely he came in as a pretty good playmaker and

0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.320
<v Speaker 3>a guy who could, score but he's really turned into

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<v Speaker 3>a terrific score. Now AND i think what's unfortunate is

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<v Speaker 3>if this was the middle Of march and he was

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<v Speaker 3>going through a slump like he was going, through we

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<v Speaker 3>do always just kind of, know whatever he's in a,

0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.120
<v Speaker 3>slump what happens in the? Playoffs it, starts, well he's

0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.080
<v Speaker 3>not clutch and he can't. Win he's not going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Perform AND i think what we're really looking at is

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<v Speaker 3>already he just went through it a little bit and

0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.280
<v Speaker 3>now he's you, know kind of back on. Track AND

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<v Speaker 3>i think that's that's important context to bring into it

0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.359
<v Speaker 3>of sometimes guys just go through. Slumps things.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen, yeah it's tough if you get in slumps during

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<v Speaker 2>multiple playoff series or multiple years of playoff. Series AND

0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.959
<v Speaker 2>i think that was what people were, wondering, Was, man

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<v Speaker 2>when the lights are bright and the let leverage is,

0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.920
<v Speaker 2>high is JDub going to rise to the, occasion and

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.040
<v Speaker 2>then you see the game six Against denver and you're, like,

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.000
<v Speaker 2>whoh we've seen these moments where he shrunk before and

0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is this a slump or is this like who he?

0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Is kind of like what we think About James, harden,

0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 2>right like so, talented but when the lights get, bright

0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.000
<v Speaker 2>we haven't seen a lot of really Great James harden.

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<v Speaker 3>Performances, yeah absolutely, Right AND i think the for, ME

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.720
<v Speaker 3>i would need to see it. More this is really

0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.000
<v Speaker 3>this team's second real, run, right so like let's see

0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.960
<v Speaker 3>what it looks. Like AND i think the fact that

0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 3>and he does that big games and then people kind

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.400
<v Speaker 3>of want to excuse, him, Right it's, like YEAH i had,

0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.160
<v Speaker 3>thirty but they won by, forty so who? Cares, well

0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.399
<v Speaker 3>well that still, counts, Right it all still, Matter like

0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 3>it's it's. There and a lot of teams are front.

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Runners like that term's always made me laugh a little

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.200
<v Speaker 3>bit when it's, like you know all the teams are front? Runner, well,

0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 3>yeah of course they are when things are going really.

0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.399
<v Speaker 3>Good of course you know teams are front. Runners but,

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<v Speaker 3>YEAH i think he's really. GOOD i THINK i think

0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.040
<v Speaker 3>too That Mark diagnal just sticks with, him right and

0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.199
<v Speaker 3>just keeps going with him and doesn't try to do

0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 3>anything where it is all, right we're, gonna you, know

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.240
<v Speaker 3>take him off the, court like he just trusts his,

0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.000
<v Speaker 3>guys even Like Lou door we've seen go through some

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.600
<v Speaker 3>really awful shooting slumps throughout the course of these, playoffs

0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.480
<v Speaker 3>but he just keeps rolling with him because it's, like

0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.200
<v Speaker 3>that's my, guy, Right i'm gonna trust that when it's

0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.840
<v Speaker 3>when it's really, needed it'll be. There and that goes

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.000
<v Speaker 3>a long way with players to have when their coach

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 3>has their back like.

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<v Speaker 2>That from a cap standpoint or just a transactional, STANDPOINT

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.000
<v Speaker 2>i want to get your thoughts on this because you've

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.720
<v Speaker 2>probably seen the the meme going around or the graphic

0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>going around where It's Richard Lewis Sam presty Turning Richard

0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:08.879
<v Speaker 2>lewis into this whole thundered like the paper clip into the,

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 2>house right with the trade exceptions and Turning Paul george

0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Into shay and five first.

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<v Speaker 1>Round all this from all of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Experience that you've had analyzing THE nba on a transactional,

0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 2>level can you put how impressive this GMing is historically

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 2>from what you've seen in your.

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Career, yeah it's way way way up, there because this

0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 3>is a team, that outside of a couple of years

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 3>which were very intentional down, years from the Time Sam

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:47.160
<v Speaker 3>pressy has taken, over hasn't really been. Bad The seattle

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.679
<v Speaker 3>team was starting, over they GOT, kd they Get Russell,

0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 3>westbrook the team, moves then they're. Good they're good for

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.560
<v Speaker 3>a number of years In Oklahoma. City then POST Kd,

0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.679
<v Speaker 3>westbrook as they started to move into a little bit

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:04.239
<v Speaker 3>of a different, error it was, like all, right, well

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.879
<v Speaker 3>we've Got Chris paul and we're still pretty. Good and

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.159
<v Speaker 3>then they were good into the. Bubble then coming out of,

0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 3>That presty was, like all, right but we're not good.

0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Enough we don't want to be just a playoff, Team

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 3>So i'm Gonna i'm gonna strip it, right But i'm

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.440
<v Speaker 3>not getting rid OF. Sga we're gonna build around. Him

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 3>got him on a good, contract and they just kept adding,

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 3>pieces adding. PIECES i like TO i have a MEME

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.440
<v Speaker 3>i created in post all the. Time whenever they make a,

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.680
<v Speaker 3>trade it's like it's the guy walking with his girlfriend

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.359
<v Speaker 3>looking at the other girl and it's Like Sam presty

0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.679
<v Speaker 3>with draft, picks but he's, like oh more draft. Picks

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.959
<v Speaker 3>cause that's just you know how these things seem to

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 3>go for years in his, trades like it's it is

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.199
<v Speaker 3>incredible that he's built. This and the great thing is

0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.479
<v Speaker 3>everybody's the discussion point since, yesterday AND i think some

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.159
<v Speaker 3>of it is it's people trying to cope with the

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 3>fact of, like all, right, well this team won't be

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 3>around for too, long, right because how are we gonna

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.640
<v Speaker 3>deal with these? Guys they're set up really.

0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Well it kind of kills like a long Time keith,

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 2>yeahs like sixty six years or.

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah it really, is because you HAVE i tweeted

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 3>it out last night in the aftermath of them winning

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.240
<v Speaker 3>fourteen of fifteen players through twenty, six twenty seven or

0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.720
<v Speaker 3>under team control either they're, signed they have The thunder

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 3>of an option for, them or they have their restricted

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 3>free agent. Rights they're going to get, Expensive there's no

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 3>doubt about. That but the nice thing for The thunder

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.480
<v Speaker 3>is as they get, expensive when they Extend williams and

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 3>they extend Home grin and then they have to do

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 3>a new deal WITH, sga the cap will continue to go.

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Up it's not going to go up ten percent every,

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 3>year but it'll go. Up that'll make those contracts more.

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Palatable and then the other thing that comes in, is,

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 3>yeah they may Lose Aaron wiggins Or Isaiah joe or Even,

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.639
<v Speaker 3>hartenstein but they still have all these extra draft picks

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.639
<v Speaker 3>that they can start to, replenish and that's going to

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.120
<v Speaker 3>be how they'll build it. Up and in these next

0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 3>couple of years where they probably don't have roster spots

0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 3>for all the draft picks they, Have Sam presci will, say, hey,

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Well i'll take one And i'll turn it into two later,

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Ya i'll take take one this, Year i'll turn it

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.359
<v Speaker 3>into one down the, line and that's gonna be how

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 3>they're going to keep backfilling those rotation spots around the

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.880
<v Speaker 3>three main, guys and that's why they should be able

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 3>to extend this window out for a.

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<v Speaker 2>While. Yeah, yeah it's pretty, impressive especially considering it's a small.

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Market and we'll talk About indiana as, well because they

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 2>did something similar but in a totally different. Way BUT

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 2>i do want to just get your thoughts On minnesota

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>because again a lot of people.

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Were not sold on this.

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Team posts, Uh Karl Anthony towns trade And Julius rendall

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of seemed like he was just there temporarily as

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.919
<v Speaker 2>a salary, match and he's sort of turned some things

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.640
<v Speaker 2>around outside of this last series AGAINST okc and they

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>found their.

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Rhythm you.

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Know obviously The Julius randall injury was a, blow but

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 2>he came back so much. Better if you're A wolves

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 2>fan knowing what's, coming knowing about the cap situation and

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.479
<v Speaker 2>the new ownership and what they're probably going to have

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to do make, change he's got multiple guys that are

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.879
<v Speaker 2>now free. Agents is but you're also coming off of

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.959
<v Speaker 2>Two Western Conference finals appearances back to. Back is this

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 2>a glass, full half full or a glass half empty?

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 3>SCENARIO i think it's half, full mostly Because Anthony edwards

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.479
<v Speaker 3>is that. GOOD i know he had a little bit

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 3>of a Rough West, finals BUT i kind of liked

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.160
<v Speaker 3>what he was saying coming out of that of, like,

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Hey i'm gonna be better next year AND i want

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 3>to get back here again AND i want to go

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 3>further next. Time and then you're talking to somebody who

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 3>was The celtics, guy you, know covering the team. Forever

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 3>i've been a fan my whole. Life they beat their

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 3>heads against the wall in The East finals a million

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 3>years in a. Row it felt like and then finally

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 3>broke through AND i have faith With edwards that'll get.

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 3>There AND i love that he's talking about, like, HEY

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 3>i want to do this For Mike, conley, RIGHT i

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 3>want to get him over the hump and get get.

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Further AND i think they're set up fairly well with.

0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Things they're, again very expensive, team but we've got a

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit of. Flexibility we'll see what happens With randall

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 3>And reed in their. Options they may end up Losing Ni,

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Kile Alexander. Walker we'll see. That it really comes down

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 3>to how deep into the second apron do they want

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 3>to go? Again do They are they okay with that

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 3>because now that the ownership transition is moving, forward are

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 3>they gonna kind of put the brakes on things or

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>is it just gonna Be Tim connolly in the front office, saying,

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.399
<v Speaker 3>hey we got to back off because we can't do

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 3>a lot to improve the. Roster we'll see where it.

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Goes but it's a really forward thinking group there In.

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 3>MINNESOTA i like the way they kind of just they

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 3>do things in a little bit of a different way

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 3>and that that's that's been fun to see. Them LIKE

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 3>i thought The Rob dillingham trade a year ago at the,

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 3>draft was really inspired of a way to let's add

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 3>some high level talent when we don't have a lot

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.640
<v Speaker 3>of assets inability to do. SO i thought they were

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 3>smart with doing that so AND i like that they're

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.360
<v Speaker 3>also saying they're gonna play their kids. More get let's

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 3>get dealing him And channon in the fold next. Year

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 3>let's really try to work them in the rotation so

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>then you're you're not as relying on, five, six seven.

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Guys you can go ten deep when you need to

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 3>in the.

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Playoffs what do you think the future looks like For?

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Rudyobert because when he had his contract, extension it kind

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of looked like it was in albatross then and now

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 2>thirty five million.

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Dollars doesn't look that bad at.

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>All and he's such a such a firebrand and like

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>a controversial player in the, playoffs specifically because he'll have

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>these epic games like he did against The, lakers and

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>then he'll disappear and pretty much be on a milk

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>carton like he did In game one against the Thunder,

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>like what do you think this team feels about?

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Him, YEAH i think they're. Committed that's why they gave

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 3>him the, extension and you're absolutely. Right this is the

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 3>thing with these, contracts and IT'S i, Mean i'm not

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 3>turning down thirty five. Million if everyone wants to throw

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 3>it my. Way if people watch this way to contact.

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Me it's in My twitter. Bio let me. Know if

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 3>you got millions laying, around, WELL i think With Rudy,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 3>gobert the thing is anybody on those kind of, contracts

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 3>as the cap continues to go, up it's just about

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 3>percent of cap, Now like that's what you really have

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 3>to focus on versus just the raw dollar amount because

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the raw dollar amounts they're, staggering, Right they're gonna be.

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Crazy Kate Kate cunningham's contract is. Huge the CONTRACT sga

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 3>can sign, for it's gonna be. Ridiculous you, know we're

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 3>we're closing in on five hundred million dollar contracts here

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 3>pretty soon over you're gonna have one hundred million dollar

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 3>a year player within probably the decade like. That but

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.640
<v Speaker 3>that's just where things are. Going SO i, think now

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 3>what what we look at is when we look in

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>percent a, cap it's pretty. Good now With, GOBART i

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 3>think this is why it's important to Keep bake nas

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 3>reed in the, fold because you want to have somebody

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 3>else to turn to on those nights When gobart is

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 3>just he just doesn't have. It he's not. There he's you,

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 3>know a zero on, offense and the defense isn't exactly

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 3>what you. Need but more often than, not you, know

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 3>even with the offensive, challenges you're gonna have somebody can

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 3>really be a game changer on, defense and that's. Huge so,

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 3>YEAH i think they're pretty happy to have him and

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 3>have him at the number they got him.

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 2>At, yeah we'll see what happens With nasried because if

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>they lose, him boy oh, boy that makes things a

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>lot more problematic for. Sure let's turn to The knicks

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and The, Pacers. Keith there's a lot of chatter About

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 2>brunston right.

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>NOW i Love.

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Brunson he's probably one of my top five favorite players to,

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.959
<v Speaker 2>watch especially in the fourth. Quarter and there's a lot

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>of chatter about whether The knicks can win with them

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 2>on the highest level with him as their ONE. A

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's also now conversations about whether you can win

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>With brunson and kat together because of the defensive deficiencies

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>that they both. Have what are your thoughts as you

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:43.959
<v Speaker 2>watch the game and analyze it about that.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Notion, yeah clearly their hope was putting together the perimeter

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 3>trio Of Bridges anenobian heart would be enough to cover

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 3>For towns And. Brunson but once you get into the

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>higher levels of the, playoffs you're going against teams that

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 3>they're just they're gonna wait and work to get you

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 3>to a spa where it just doesn't matter how good

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 3>three of your five defenders. Are if there's one guy

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 3>that can't hold, up they're gonna find them and they're

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 3>gonna go after, them and they're gonna try to, really you,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 3>know make it. Happen SO i think with The, knicks

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>it's just gonna have to be a conversation around what

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 3>can you do. SCHEMATICALLY i thought they did a better

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 3>job Against boston than they've done Against indiana of kind

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 3>of baiting The celtics, into, hey you know, what you

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 3>want to attack, this and then it's but as you're Attacking,

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 3>towns we're gonna have somebody else digging in on the

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.239
<v Speaker 3>weak side to. Help we're gonna do these. Things we're

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 3>gonna make it, Harder we're gonna we're gonna press you

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 3>out to half court or even beyond where by the

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 3>time you finally get to the matchup you, want there's

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 3>four seconds left on the shop clock and you have to.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Go problem, is Against indiana that doesn't work because they

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 3>just race the ball up the floor and they're getting

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>into their stuff with seventeen seconds on the shop, clock

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 3>and then then it is all, right you you maybe

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 3>stop the first thing we want to go, to but

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>we'll just a second action and move forward with. That

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 3>so that's a little bit of a challenge. There SO

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 3>i don't want to throw it all, away but it

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 3>sounds crazy to say it because it's A TIBs coach,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 3>team but you almost gotta lean into your offense a

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 3>little bit more and really, say all, right you know,

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 3>what we we can't stop these. Guys not that means

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't try, defensively but let's go with a little

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 3>bit more. Offense let's try, to you, know pick up

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 3>our own. Pace that's the one ISSUE i have With Jalen.

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 3>BRUNSON i love him, too but, man he wants to

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 3>play slow and play in the half. Court and there's

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 3>times with that knicks and it was Against, boston it

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 3>stood out at times in Against indiana where just get

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>the ball up the, floor get. Going there's easier offense

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 3>then you're having to work so deep into the shot.

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Clock but, yeah it's, tough but not impossible to build

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 3>around A bruns And towns led.

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Team you're right, too because the thing that you see

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>sometimes at the end of games is just a lot

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>of dribbling by bruntson and it's a lot of we

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what you're gonna. Do you're telegraphing that It's

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>brunton and Only. Brunson if they could get a little

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>bit more chaotic Like, indiana a little bit more whack

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>a mole where you don't know who's gonna have the hot,

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>hand then it almost Makes brunton even more.

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Potent when you do go to.

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Him, yeah, move, Move just get into your stuff quicker like.

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 3>That that's my biggest thing.

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>With, them push the pace off of makes Is Tom

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>dibbodeau underrated or overrated as a.

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Coach he's rated properly, rated you. Know IT'S i think

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 3>he's done a really good job of getting teams to

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 3>a level where it is better than what they were

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 3>before he came. IN i don't know that he is

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 3>a true championship level. COACH i do have some. Doubts

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 3>one of my big things and it's minutes police sound the, siren,

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 3>right is his team's d often worn down by the

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 3>time they get deep into the playoffs because he pushes

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>them so hard in the regular. Season but on the flip,

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>side that comes with a really good regular season. Results

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 3>so it really, is you, know where are we trying

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 3>to go when the goal is win a whole lot

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>in the regular season and in the, Playoffs but it

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 3>doesn't always work out that, way SO i. Think but

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 3>he's by no means a bad. Coach i've heard some

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 3>people suggesting, like this guy's not even. Good it's you,

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 3>know the matter of the talent that he, has AND

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 3>i don't think that's true at. ALL i think he's

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 3>does what he, does AND i think this PARTICULAR nixt

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 3>team they don't have the talent to play the way

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>he wants to. Play that's WHY i think you've seen

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 3>him go To Mitchell. Robinson that's a lot more the

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 3>defensive style he, wants or it is let's press out,

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 3>high let's hedge, hard, recover get back to, it and

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>he can't do that with talents because he's just not

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 3>that kind of.

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Defender, yeah he has a style of a play he

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>wants to institute that may or may not be twenty

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty five championship. Caliber The, pacers, Though, keith they're kind

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>of like a mix Between okac in the sense that

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the GMing that got this team here is just so fucking,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Impressive like you just look at, it and, You i'm

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>sure know all About Aaron nesemith from the time he

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>was buried at the back of the bench For Romeo

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>langford back in the, day and both of, them both

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of them were buried. Together you're, right but you were, wondering,

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>okay like what Was indiana thinking Moving Malcolm brogden for For?

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Meet Nei smith and and the list kind of

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>goes on and on in terms of the moves that they've.

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Made but the way that they were also remind me

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of The wolves in the sense that

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>they went to the conference finals the year before and

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>had a horrible first start to the year where we, thought,

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>oh my, god, like Is tyree's haliburt not that? Good

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>like or is he still working through that hamstring injury

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>that he was working on the year? Before are they

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a for real team or did they just get fluky

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>to get to this place and they've shown that they

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>are they are no fluke and they actually look more

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>impressive this year than they did last. Year can you

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about just juxtapose the the GMing

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>between WHAT okc did and and What indiana, did and

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>like Why indiana maybe even more or impressive or at

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 2>least equally.

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Impressive, yeah okaysee built a lot of theirs through draft and,

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 3>development And i'll Include sga in. That they did not draft.

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 3>Him they acquired him via, trade but they developed him

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>into this through through their, process Where indiana was a

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 3>little bit more Of they definitely did some draft in,

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 3>development but there's a lot more of smart trades to

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 3>get their. Guys Getting haliburton For, Sabonis i'm Not i'm

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 3>still not going to kill The kings BECAUSE i think

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 3>there's a little too much of forgetting where the teams

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 3>were at at the time that trade was. Made but,

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 3>yeah obviously The pacers have come out ahead on. That

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 3>haliburtons now you, know regular L nba guy And sibonis

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 3>is merely a very GOOD nba center WHO i happen

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.359
<v Speaker 3>to like quite a bit as a. Player but then

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 3>The siakam trade last, year which was just a perfect,

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 3>fit right that we need a power. Forward it can

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 3>go out and score and do some stuff for. Us

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 3>we can get. Him let's go get, him let's get this.

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Done just amazing trade. There and then like you, say

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Getting Nee smith in a trade where The brogden deal, was,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 3>well we Have. Halbard now we like this nem hard, Kid,

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 3>like we don't really Need Malcolm brogden, anymore let's move him.

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Off Innee smith was the guy they. Got they also

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 3>got to pick in that, deal and In Nei smith's

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 3>big problem With boston was every time he was like

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 3>already starting to come, along he get hurt. Again and

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:25.720
<v Speaker 3>then it was like all, right and then it became

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 3>very clear he's never gonna have a very big role

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 3>With Tatum brown in the fold because he's just not

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 3>gonna be how it. Goes so now he glenns, there

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 3>he's been very. Good and then the rest of their, GUYS.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 3>Tj McConnell really underrated acquisition when they went out he got,

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 3>him and he's just he's just a pest like AND

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 3>i mean that is a complete, compliment but he's just,

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's just always up in you and doing stuff

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 3>where it's, like, man, like would you get away from? Me,

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 3>like you, know just annoying out there the way he,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 3>plays and it's so. Good but then he Drafted, mathern

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 3>WHO i Think matherin gives them another level of like

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of chaotic. Energy you never kind of know what

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna. Do and there's times when even in this,

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 3>series he had a game the other day where it

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 3>wasn't going so, good So Rick carlile just pulled him.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 3>OUT i was, Like i'm not gonna play you because

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 3>you're a little out of. Control and Then Ben, sheppard you,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 3>know got the minutes. Instead and then the other Night

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 3>mathen was out there doing his thing and looked really

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 3>good and he Played he's scored like twenty points in

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 3>like twelve minutes or. Whatever it, was so, like, hey

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it's just a really smartly constructed. Roster and THEN i

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Think Rick carlile as the coach so key Because Rick

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>carlile doesn't necessarily want to play super fast and up.

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Tempo that's never been his. Style BUT i think he's

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>a smart enough coach to know this is what works

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 3>for the. GUYS i have let's, go let's get after

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 3>it this.

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Way, yeah he really has adapted his team's scheme to

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the personnel that he. Has he's almost the inverse Of Tom,

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 2>thibodeau Where Tom thibodau' is, like this is What i'm

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 2>running regardless of the personnel THAT i, have And Rick

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>carlile has done a really great job of doing the.

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Opposite more coaches need to do that is, like that's

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of what being a coach is is using the

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>ingredients that you have in the kitchen and chaffing it.

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>UP i do Think Tyrese halliburton as good as he

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>was last, year especially in The Ntason tournament and some

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>of the moments that we've seen with. Him he talked

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to a bunch of high, end you, know greats in

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>terms of point guard. POSITIONS i know that something came

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>out recently that he was talking to super just about

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 2>how to balance the.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Scoring load with the facilitating.

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Load and it FEELS i don't know about, you but

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it feels like he's taken a huge.

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Leap in the last two.

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Series just the moments that he's given us and the

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>presence of, mind for, example to miss that free throw

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 2>intentionally and shoot the three and you, know the fake

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 2>the jab step and hit it right in the. Face

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>there was just so many of. Those oh my, god

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 2>this is now etched in. History i'm kind of stunned

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>that people Thought Tyrese haliburton in the. League his peers

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 2>thought he was the most overrated.

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 3>Player, yeah that's a little, crazy and THAT i think

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 3>often in those surveys that they, do there's a lot

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 3>of that's rooted in jealousy of, like, MAN i should

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 3>have been On TEAM usa and he didn't even. Play

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 3>he was at the end of the bench and all

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 3>the things got that get said about. Him But i'm with.

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 3>YOU i think he is now as a point guard.

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Mastered for, me arguably the most important skill a point

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 3>guard can, have which is controlling the pace of the.

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 3>Game and it is not just game to. Game it's

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 3>possession of. Possession if it is the best thing for

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 3>us is to fly down the. Floor he gets that

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 3>going and the keys it and off they. Go if

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 3>it is, nope we're gonna slow it down And i'm

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna find the matchup we need to go. To not

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 3>always for, himself it might be the best thing for

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 3>me to do is pull the defense defender over, here

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 3>get it over To nemhar to get it To, sam

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 3>And siakam attacks because he's got. It my my job

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 3>is keep the other defenders out of there by pulling

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 3>them off to the other side of the. Floor he

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 3>is really good at, that and that those are the

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 3>things that the very best point guards, do the Magic

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 3>johnson back in the, day Or Steve nash Or Chris.

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Paul for, YEARS i always said With Chris, paul you

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.439
<v Speaker 3>play the game of whatever Speed Chris paul wants to play.

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 3>That if he wants to play, fast we're all playing fast.

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Today if he wants to play, solow we're all playing.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Slow And Tyres alburn's now there, too and he does

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 3>just such a good job of varying it within. Games

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 3>it's everybody thinks of the pacers as all they do

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 3>is run and run and. Run but like watch when

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 3>they play play The, knicks or if they make the,

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 3>finals there'll be moments where it Is, nope the best

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 3>thing to do now is slow it, down lead the

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.399
<v Speaker 3>clock a little bit and. Go and he's equally as

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 3>good at.

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 2>That how do you assess the matchup BETWEEN i think

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>obviously you know it might not be done. Tonight obviously

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>we're recording this earlier than the show's coming. Out but

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>how do you assess AN Okac pacer final like matchup?

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Wise do you think that that looks, like.

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah give the advantage To okay, See BUT i think

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be closer than people think because they

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of counter each other in ways that are really.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Good The pacers are actually fairly solid in interior defense

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 3>With Miles turner kind of lurking as a help. Guy

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 3>that helps when you've Got sga And Jalen williams who

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>just want to get downhill over and over and over.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Again they've got good athletes Because siakam's pretty good, Athlete

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Nie smith good. Athlete then you've Got Obi topping good

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 3>athlete coming off the. Bench so some of those drives

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 3>and lobs and those, things they're gonna be competitive on,

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Those they're not just gonna give them Up ah with.

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.919
<v Speaker 3>Ease and THEN i Think indiana they control the. Ball

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 3>they don't throw the ball away very, often and the

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.479
<v Speaker 3>thunder we talked about it. Before they feed so much

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 3>off turnovers and really getting that ball and getting it

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 3>running the other way and all those. Things that's so

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 3>huge for, them AND i don't know that that's gonna

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 3>be there quite as. EASY i just think it's gonna

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 3>be an overall depth of options that will Wear they

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 3>will just Wear indiana down. Eventually BUT i do, think you,

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 3>know if that's the series we, get AND i think

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 3>that's where we're probably, ADDED i think it's gonna be

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 3>a really fun, finals a lot better THAN i think

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, are, like, Well i'm not watching.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 3>This who cares about these two? Teams you're gonna miss

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 3>out on some really good.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Basketball, yeah, fun, competitive high level. Firework anything's bound to

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>happen type of. BASKETBALL i. DO i can't let you

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>go without talking about The. Celtics just a rough way

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to end the season in so many, ways the catastrophic

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 2>leads that they let slip away In game one And game. Two,

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>obviously The Jason tatum injury now extends past this.

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Year another team that's been.

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Very clear everyone's reporting is that they're gonna get less.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Expensive what does that mean to?

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>You because that could mean we get rid of Kristavs

0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>porzingis and we bring on some you, Know south expirings

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and then we maybe call. Them that could mean we

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 2>get rid Of Drew holiday AND kp all the way

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to oh, well maybe we explore reloading and moving on

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 2>From Jalen, brown WHICH i don't think would, happen but

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>those rumors are out here.

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Too, Yeah i'm ready for anything this. Summer part of

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 3>the wild card is it is a new ownership group coming.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 3>In one of the things That i've said for months

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 3>before obviously their run, ENDED i didn't think if they

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 3>were in the finals, again or obviously if they won

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 3>the finals, again that the first steps for a new

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 3>ownership group was going to be let's start trading guys

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 3>because we need to get. CHEAPER i Know celtics, fans

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't stand for. It they would have rioted if

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 3>that was the case, NOW i, think and it's not

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 3>the right exact term to, use but they have a

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 3>little bit of cover on doing that BECAUSE i think

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.320
<v Speaker 3>most folks are, like, eh it's probably gonna be a

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 3>little bit of a gap. Year and that's WHAT i

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 3>think it's gonna, be is just a step, back as

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 3>they kind of said a little. BIT i think there's

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 3>a good chance someone Like Drew holiday gets, Moved Chris

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 3>porzingis maybe gets. MOVED i Think Sam hauser is maybe

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 3>the most logical guy to get. Traded It's Sam houser

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 3>being a really good bench shooter on a team that's

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.479
<v Speaker 3>not a title. Contender it's like having a really good

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 3>closer on a bad baseball. Team what's the, Point like

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't really. Matter and they've got a guy Like

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Baylor shireman in the fold now where it's, like just

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 3>give him those minutes and see what he can. Do

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>SO i think what we're really looking at with them

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 3>is it's probably gonna take a series of transactions to get.

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 3>There there's not gonna be one big transaction because that

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 3>would mean dealing with the nets and be, like, hey

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 3>you want to eat this one contract for holiday or For,

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 3>portzingis and that would clear everything they need to. Clear

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:45.799
<v Speaker 3>BUT i don't think that's gonna be how it, goes

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 3>BECAUSE i don't think they think they're excited about the

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 3>idea let's give up draft capital to do. That BUT

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 3>i think a series of transactions over a couple, cycles so,

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 3>offseason trade, deadline the next, offseason that's how they're gonna

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 3>get themselves under the second. Apron i'm with. YOU i

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 3>don't think they'll Trade Jalen. BROWN i don't know that

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 3>it's completely off the. Table, clearly they've had him in

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 3>trade talks previously that you, know he felt a certain

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 3>way about, that but it didn't end up, happening and

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 3>he came back great and won a. Title but he's

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 3>also dealing with a knee, injury so he'll take a step.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Back the good news is The Eastern cofford, stinks so

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.320
<v Speaker 3>they can be a little worse and still probably be

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 3>a playoff. Team and the good news With Jason tatum

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.319
<v Speaker 3>is all the reports that are coming out is he

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 3>had this surgery very, early very, quickly basically within twenty

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 3>four hours of it, happening and all the indications are

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 3>if you get it done very quickly and in the

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 3>manner that they repaired the, injury you can return quicker

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 3>and better then most guys have from These achilles tears that,

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 3>said they're not gonna rush him. Back they're not gonna be,

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 3>like get back on the floor and by the trade

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 3>deadline or by The All star break or anything like.

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 3>That BUT i think if he's, ready they'll bring him.

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Back it might look a little bit Like Brandon clark

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 3>did a couple of seasons ago with The, griz where

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 3>it was at the end of a lost. SEASON a

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 3>lot of, people why are they Bringing Brandon clark? Back they,

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 3>stink they're, Terrible but it was get them back out,

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 3>there let him go, through all. Right they can play in.

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.760
<v Speaker 3>TRAFFIC i could play in a. CROWD i got knocked,

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 3>down somebody fell into my. Leg it's not the end

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 3>of the. World i'm. Good so that, way when we

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 3>start the next, season you just started free and clear

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 3>and you're ready to, Go so that that's kind of

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 3>be how that might might might play out.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Here, yeah so you expect major. MOVES i.

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Do, yeah it's it would be at this point in my. Opinion,

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 3>IRRESPONSE i don't care about the luxury, tax But i'm

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 3>not paying, It like what pay pay it half a

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 3>billion dollars if you want. To that's. You you bought the,

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.399
<v Speaker 3>team don't you know you need to pay that PART

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 3>i don't care. About WHAT i care about is the

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.879
<v Speaker 3>roster restrictions that come from being a Second apron, team

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 3>And boston's now starting to feel the weight of those

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 3>where becomes a lot harder to make moves and becomes

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.839
<v Speaker 3>a lot harder to improve the. Team and you have.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Holiday he's thirty. Five porzingis is NOW i think he's,

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 3>thirty but he misses a lot of time every. Year

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 3>this year was a lot with this mystery, illness which

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 3>hopefully gets resolved over the offseason and he's healthy and,

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 3>okay but you know it's gonna be something else he's

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 3>gonna miss some. Time SO i think this is a

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 3>good chance to reset a little bit and see where it.

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 3>GOES i know Some celtics fans are, like, hey IF

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 3>i gonna watch a year At Peyton pritchard And Derek,

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 3>white you, know shooting contests for forty minutes a, night that's.

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 3>FINE i can do. It you, know there's a lot

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 3>of people, like we want a. Title we're still one

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 3>up on The. Lakers it's all, Right, like let's keep

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 3>going because that's a major goal For celtics fans at this. Point.

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i THINK i interviewed you the day that the

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 2>NEW cba came out and we had no idea really

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.959
<v Speaker 2>even what to make of it at that. Point now

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen the ramifications of, it The celtics obviously

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.720
<v Speaker 2>being example number one in terms of how it affects

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>what you can and can't do and even if you're

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a title, team what you can do with your roster

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 2>and what you're forced to. Do do you think this is,

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 2>now looking at it and holistically this is a good

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>thing for the, LEAGUE i don't know.

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 3>YET i think so is Where i'll say It's AND

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 3>i tend to be a lot more conservative with these,

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>things like we. Weren't we were days into the NEW

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 3>cba rules and effect and people are, like this is.

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Ruining it's ruined to THE, nba and then no trades

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 3>will ever get made. Again and then we just had

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 3>the craziest trade deadline we've ever. Had this summer is

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna be. Wild there's more big names available than. Ever

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 3>teams will find a, way you, know it's Like Jurassic, park,

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 3>right life finds a, Way like they'll they'll figure it.

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:49.439
<v Speaker 3>Out they're gonna make things happen for. ME i. THINK

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 3>i think parody is, good BUT i don't like it

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 3>if we start breaking teams up too, Quickly like if

0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 3>we get to a position where the thunder like we

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 3>just we got to move one of our three best,

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 3>players that's not. Good like in THAT i don't think

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna have, to but if they have, to that's not.

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Great you want trades to be made out of basketball,

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 3>reasons not just true financial. Reasons and it's rare that

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 3>trades are made solely just about on court. Reasons it's

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 3>always for one team or another about the salary cap

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 3>in the cap. Sheet so BUT i think it's okay

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 3>as long as we can still get some teams that

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like AND i know that team like The. Warriors

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 3>part of the fun with The warriors was we all

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.200
<v Speaker 3>loved the first couple of seasons with The, warriors then

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 3>everybody hated them two seasons, later, right because it's, well

0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 3>what do they, Say you become the, hero then live

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 3>long enough to become the. Villain like that's that's what

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 3>happened with The. Warriors and you know, what. Dynasties you

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 3>either want to root for them or you want to

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 3>root against. Them AND i think those are good for,

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 3>for you, know sports in general. Anyway and so, Yeah

0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I'M i let's, see you, know let's let it play

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>out for a couple more years and then then we'll

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 3>have a better handle on.

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 2>IT a Team keith that maybe made a trade for financial,

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 2>reasons but they told us that they made them for basketball.

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Reasons he's A Dallas mavericks.

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Who got absolutely dragged all season long after the, deadline

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 2>only to be a playing team and fuck around and

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:29.720
<v Speaker 2>get the first White american born player to go number

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 2>one since LIKE.

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't even.

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.000
<v Speaker 2>REMEMBER i, know it's BEFORE i was, born AND i,

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>REMEMBER i know it's a name THAT i don't really

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 2>even have stuck into my. Cerebellum and that's Not Larry.

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Bird so now they're messing around and they Get Cooper,

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 2>flag what do you see for them this? Offseason, like

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 2>we've got The kyrie? Injury any chance he doesn't sign With?

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Dallas like do you think that the pr disaster has

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 2>been mitigated By? Flag are there some people still kind

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 2>of a little suspicious about what this franchise is doing or?

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 3>What, yeah and this is. TIMELY i just posted their

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 3>offseason preview on spot track. TODAY i it's what an

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 3>incredible you, know uh luck to have that happen in the.

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Lottery AND i don't buy into conspiracy theories or any of.

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 3>That you you've worked in the media a long, time So,

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.959
<v Speaker 3>vie there's media members in the, room and we would

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 3>love nothing more than to break that, story right it's,

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 3>rigged AND i saw how you, know good luck getting

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 3>all those people plus thirty teams to all. Agree, yeah

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 3>the best thing for our league is to Give Dallas Cooper.

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.959
<v Speaker 3>Flag why do The pelicans want?

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>That?

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Right, like that's not a. Thing so that, said it's

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 3>funny because this always happens at draft when you're a

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 3>month out from the draft. Book maybe you, know could

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 3>they draft somebody? Else, no, like take that out of the.

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 3>Mix It's Cooper. FLAG i had a chance because he

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.439
<v Speaker 3>went To Montvert academy for the last couple of, years

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 3>right down the road from my, house SO i saw

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 3>him play a. LOT i think the thing that gets

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 3>forgotten with how good of a prospect he. Is this

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 3>kid is. Eighteen he should be a high school senior right.

0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Now he should be graduating high school like this week

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 3>here in the state Of, florida and and here we

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 3>are he's prepping for the draft and prepping to go

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 3>to The. Mavericks all that, SAID i think they're gonna Resign.

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:17.919
<v Speaker 3>KYRIE i think they're gonna keep. HIM i think they're

0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna do what they need to to have him in the.

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Fold and THEN i think we're going to see them,

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:28.279
<v Speaker 3>basically go get another point guard that can play For

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 3>kyrie un til he's ready to. Go kyrie has been

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 3>very adamant he's gonna be back earlier than people. THINK

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 3>i think there's a good chance that. Happens kyrie's not

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 3>trying to protect ten more years of a. Career he

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 3>probably knows he's got four or five years left that

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 3>on the top end, Anyway so why not come back

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 3>a little. Early i'm not trying to protect an entire career,

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 3>here AND i think they got a chance to be pretty.

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 3>GOOD i think they can flip this very. Quickly they've

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 3>now got front court depth that they didn't have. Before

0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:55.799
<v Speaker 3>you can trade some of. It gonna be a little

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 3>careful because he gets. Hurt derek G liively's been hurt

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 3>his first couple of years, too so you don't want

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.840
<v Speaker 3>to sell all of it off to get your guard

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 3>that you, need but you can do some of. IT

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I i think they're gonna turn it around very very.

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Quickly as far As MAVs fans, GO i think the

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 3>true fans of the, TEAM i think a lot of

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 3>them have kind of for you, know forgive and forget.

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 3>Right it's, like now we Have cooper, flag let's go.

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 3>That you, know obviously they've sold a ton of season tickets,

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 3>now so they feel pretty good about. THAT i think

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 3>where they've lost is like the the, uh the people

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Became MAVs fans because they Were luca, fans like a

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.879
<v Speaker 3>lot of The european, fans they're never ever coming, Back

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.480
<v Speaker 3>like that's, Done you're You're. Finnah you need to get

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 3>the Next Dirk oh for that to bring those guys.

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.919
<v Speaker 1>Back and no longer A MAVs Fin, yeah.

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, yeah that's been not great. Either so, yeah so

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 3>they're they're they're they're in trouble, there but, YEAH i

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 3>think they'll trade that that off for Having cooper in

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 3>the fold and feeling pretty good about.

0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 2>That speaking of the, draft before we let your, ROLE

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 2>i would love to get your. OPINION i, mean it

0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 2>feels like it's just It's, cooper It's Yellen, harper and

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 2>then who the hell, Knows and a lot of it

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 2>could be team specific for, you who's your sleeper in this,

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 2>Draft like who's the kid that rises and who's the

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:18.399
<v Speaker 2>kid that that, sinks like like we saw with With

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>cam and The Houston rockets a couple of years.

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Ago oh, Yeah Kim, Wbmore, yeah we'll know he's gonna

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:25.240
<v Speaker 3>be a top ten pick and went in the. Twenties,

0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 3>yeah it's he's not gonna fall that. Far he may

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 3>not even fall past. Three i'm a little worried About Ace,

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>bailey Like i'm just not when he he didn't, measure you,

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 3>know like big at the, combine that's that's a little

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 3>worrisome for. Me if he'd come in AND i know

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.279
<v Speaker 3>they do it without shoes and all that, silliness which

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Is i've never, understood we don't play. Barefoot who? Cares but,

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 3>anyway when he didn't come in at six nine without,

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 3>SHOES i think that was a little more. Worrisome the

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 3>kid's never seen the top shot he won't, take which

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.879
<v Speaker 3>can be, good but it's also not. RIGHT i think

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.320
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna be a good, player BUT i am a

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 3>little worried about. HIM i kind of have him AND.

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Vj edgecombe as the next two guys kind of almost

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 3>in a tier of their, own Behind flag Than, harper

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:16.319
<v Speaker 3>than those two sleepers THAT i really kind of. Like

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 3>i'm a, big big fan Of Jani broom out Of.

0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 3>AUBURN i have him way higher than most people. DO

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 3>i think he should be a mid to late first round.

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.239
<v Speaker 3>PICK i think he's really. GOOD i think he does

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 3>things that help teams. Win there's just not a lot

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 3>there as far as like super athleticism or those kind of.

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Things but he's a good, rebounder he's a smart, defender

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 3>he can pass the ball quite. WELL i Like A'san

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 3>newell quite a, bit as is just a, bouncy athletic

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 3>forward WHO i think is going to really help. Teams

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of reminds me a little bit of What jayden

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 3>McDaniels is for The. WOLVES a little bit worse of a,

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 3>shooter but a little bit better of an. Athlete so

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 3>he's SOMEBODY i really. LIKE i like their queen, too you,

0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 3>know if anybody's noticed singing, Trend, YES i do like

0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 3>some of the kids who went to Mont Vert, academy

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.960
<v Speaker 3>but they just had a loaded group that. Year But

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 3>queen's gonna be a be a good fun player as.

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Well so those are some of the guys THAT i

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:12.239
<v Speaker 3>like in the like first round area outside Of broom

0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 3>who may end up slipping into the second round.

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Just falling up On Ace, Bailey did it bother you at?

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:20.279
<v Speaker 2>All outside of his size stuff that in his. Measurements

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 2>that some of the things that he said at the,

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>combine LIKE i have no, WEAKNESSES i need to not

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 2>work on.

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Anything i'm.

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Good, yeah as long as he knows that's not, TRUE

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.840
<v Speaker 3>i don't really care very much if you, know wherever

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 3>he gets drafted, to whether It's philly Or charlotte or

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 3>you know somebody, else you, Know, Utah, washington if he

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 3>slips a little further than we, think as long as

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 3>the day one when he gets the training camp he

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of. KNOWS i guess summer league, camp, like, yeah

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<v Speaker 3>you're not, Perfect, like, like, yo what are we. Doing

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 3>these guys come in so confident, Now AND i think

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.920
<v Speaker 3>that comes from when you're really, good like he. Is

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.439
<v Speaker 3>you've been playing against pro level guys for probably since

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 3>he was fourteen years. Old he's probably been in gyms

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.359
<v Speaker 3>against other, pros and he probably does feel really. Good

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.760
<v Speaker 3>and that's part of what makes these guys really, special

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<v Speaker 3>is they believe in, that you know so. Much SO

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<v Speaker 3>i don't have a huge issue with, it but, yeah

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 3>it WAS i let's have a little bit more, humility

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 3>like you, know because now what you've done is you're

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna come in the league and everybody's gonna be, Like, okay,

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 3>kid let's let's show.

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<v Speaker 2>You, yeah let me show you how you're welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the rookie welcome to the league moment really. QUICK i

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<v Speaker 2>want to get your thoughts On Walter Clayton, junior BECAUSE

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<v Speaker 2>i think what we saw from him in the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>six to. Three maybe he's less than sixty three and

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<v Speaker 2>Just wikipedia tells me he's six to.

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<v Speaker 1>Three but this kid can get. Buckets, Key yeah you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't so you, Know, Tristan i'm not that. Tall he

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<v Speaker 3>if he's six to, three Then i'm like six feet

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<v Speaker 3>tall And i'm not anywhere near six feet, Tall so

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<v Speaker 3>he's HE'S i think he's a lot closer to like

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<v Speaker 3>six foot or six to. One but he does. SCORE i,

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<v Speaker 3>mean this kid is. Tough talk about, confidence but in

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<v Speaker 3>the right. Way if there's the right way to have,

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 3>confidence he you, know every SHOT's gonna go in like

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 3>he wants the ball in the big. Moments we spent

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 3>some time talking About Jalen. Brunsay he reminds me a

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 3>little bit of A Jalen brunson style, player where it's

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Like i'm gonna go out here And i'm gonna do my,

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.840
<v Speaker 3>thing And i'm gonna supreme. Belief his big question will

0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 3>be can he hold up. Defensively if he can hold up,

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 3>defensively he can be a really really GOOD nba. Player at,

0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 3>worse think he's gonna be a really good bench. Guard

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 3>and that you know clearly has. Value we've seen a

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of guys turn that into really good. Stuff like

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 3>people get critical about like six, men BUT i always

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:41.600
<v Speaker 3>remind People Lou williams And Jamal crawford had twenty year

0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 3>careers as six, Men like you can be awesome in

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.840
<v Speaker 3>that role for years and years and. Years and if

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 3>that's all it turns into for, Him, okay that's not

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 3>the end of the, world BUT i think it might

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 3>even be. More I'm I'm i'm excited to see what

0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 3>happens with him. Now THAT uf team was was tough

0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 3>and they got after. IT i, mean and he was

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<v Speaker 3>a huge part of why the one of the national.

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<v Speaker 3>Title AND i can't wait to see what happens with

0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 3>him in THE.

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Nba huge buckets Against, houston huge buckets Against, yukon contested

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 2>buckets falling to his right and backwards from deep in the,

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>corner just ridiculous stuff from From Walter Clayton.

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Jr Those aliburton shots right where it's like, yes, wait,

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 3>wait drive and, No i'm gonna, yeah turn it. Around yeah,

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah i'm Gonna i'm gonna go one hundred miles an

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:28.400
<v Speaker 3>hour to the free throw. Line Then i'm gonna turn

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 3>around and go back and shoot a step back three

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna go in and And i'm already jogging

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 3>back on defense before it's through the. Rim like day he.

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<v Speaker 3>SUPREME i, mean confidence pours out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid, yeah awesome, Stuff, Keith thanks so much for coming.

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<v Speaker 2>On we'll have to have you on in the off

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 2>season as. Well and, Uh i'll see you In vegas

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<v Speaker 2>if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Go, Yeah i'll be. There i'll be there hoping up

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 3>WITH Us Sports business classroom this, year So i'm super,

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 3>excited so we'll definitely catch up.

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Then, awesome, fine Fine keith The Front office show along

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<v Speaker 2>With spots WHICH i always mispronounced the spo, track BUT

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>i Think i'm not the only. One definitely follow him

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<v Speaker 2>to break down all the dollars and cents of the,

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 2>sports but his actual basketball takes her fucking fire as.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's all the time that we have for this

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