1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: a real special guys. What's up with your Brodie? With 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: the virtual handshake, I'm gonna tell you something that I 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: never told your back. I want to smoke. Welcome back 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: to another edition All the Smoke. Jack, what's happening with 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: your brother and man cooling? My brother Just and John 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: his beautiful life. Man, what's up with you? Man? I 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: can't call it out here in l A. Was trying 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: to give the baby a bath a little bit earlier 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: in this little nigger ship all in the toilet clug 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: everything up. So hey, I'm off to a good start today. 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Let me tell you that anyway. Outside of that, Man, 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up a huge football fan and 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: this dude is to me, one of the best defensive 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: backs to ever play the game. It's an honor to 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: have him today. Welcome our friend, Charles Woodson, Welcome to 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: the show. Bro appreciate it, man, I appreciate it. Man. 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Good to see your boys. Many will Man. We appreciate 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: at your time. Man. So let's let's get right to it. Man, 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: was a definitely a year to forget. Um, what do 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: you take away from that year personally? You know? Man, 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: it was it was like you just mentioned that it 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: was a tough year. Was it was an odd, you know, 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of weird year, man. And I feel like, Um, 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: everyone had to you either move, you know, you either 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: get better you get worse, right, And so everybody had 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: to find a way man too, um do their thing 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, Like we're on this zoom 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: call right now, you know, and you know, before you 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: had to travel, you know, you had to pick up, 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: leave your house, leave for two or three days wherever 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: you were going, um to to do an interview or 35 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: to meet with people, and all of these different things. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: But now all of these things are done through zoom. 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: So I feel like everybody had to adjust. I think 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: was a year for adjustment if you wanted to survive. 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: And if you didn't want to survive, then you don't adjust, 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: and you stick to what you doing, then you find yourself. 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna find yourself in one trying to catch up, 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I feel like that 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: was a big part of it. And then I felt 44 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: like I felt blessed, to be honest with you, because 45 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: you know, you watch television and you see people struggling. Man. 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: You see, um, where people are cooped up in in 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: their homes, apartments, or wherever they are. I'm so blessed 48 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: to be to live where I lived, where I could 49 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: actually get outside, I could get out, ride my bike, 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of enjoyed my surroundings. And 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: I didn't really felt like I had a care in 52 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: the world. Man. My family was good, you know, everybody 53 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: was healthy. So man, we just we just maintained through 54 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: the whole thing and just and just try to, like 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: like I said, survive. Man. In adjust how do you 56 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: feel about the NFL finally back in their players in 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: the social justice fight. Yeah, I think they had to, man, 58 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was it was it was 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: up in the face of everybody. Um. You know, I've 60 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: watched you know, all that you guys have done, especially 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, surrounding George it um and when people saw that. Man, 62 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, I remember watching Dave Chappelle's uh stand up 63 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: when he emphasized eight minutes and forty six seconds, you 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And when he when he emphasized it. 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: It almost it almost shook your body because the whole 66 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: world actually sat there and watched that, and you could 67 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: you can sit there and watch it for eight minutes 68 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: in forty six seconds, and when you watch that, it 69 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: just it tears you apart because the look on the 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: face of the officer to me, was the most disheartening 71 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: part of the whole thing, because he, for one, he 72 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: didn't care about the life in which he took, but 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: then his face also told you ain't nothing gonna happen 74 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: to me. I have all of these cameras on me, 75 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I got all these cell phones, probably got cameras from 76 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: the store zooming down on him, and his face said, man, 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't care, you can't do nothing to me, and 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen to me. And the world saw that man, 79 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: and that's why there was an upris and not just 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: here in the States, but around the world and in 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: different countries. You saw people who were standing up and 82 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: actually felt like at that point they had the courage 83 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: to stand up and say something. So the NFL, you 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: know what, what something with that with that moment symbolized this. 85 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: I think they mentally you got a picture of Colin 86 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: Kappernick kneeling down, and then you got a picture of 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: that officer kneeling down, and you said, wait, you got 88 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: to step back and say, wait a minute. We we 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: just we just vilified this guy for kneeling down for change, 90 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: and he's no longer allowed to play in our NFL 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: because we pitted him against the American flag. And then 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: we got this officer of the law who's kneeling down 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: taking a life as if he's gonna have immunity, and 94 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen to him. And so the NFL had 95 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: to they had to come around man. Otherwise Man, it 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: was there's gonna be a big problem. Absolutely. Did you 97 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: kind of feel obviously you came in in the late nineties, um, 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: but played eighteen years. Were there ever issues? I mean, 99 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: the NBA is kind of always freely, been very free 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: and has always backed its players and stood behind us 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: when we spoke on things. Were there ever a time 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: in your career that anything came up or or possibly 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: anything that you know, not necessarily that affected you, but 104 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: came up in general, But you didn't really feel comfortable 105 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: speaking on it because, like I said, in the NFL 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: is really to me on the outside looking in, never 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: really had the backs of its players when it came 108 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: to speaking up for things that are unjust, things that 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: are wrong, just in general speaking up. Did you ever 110 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: have that feeling as a player while you were playing. No, 111 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: I never had that feeling in I don't feel like 112 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: during my time like there was there was an issue 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: that I felt like I really needed to, you know, 114 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: step up and speak out about. UM. Most of the 115 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: things that happened to me during my career that I 116 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: felt like I needed to speak out against, as far 117 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: as maybe the you know, a team or coach or whatever. 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: I never had no issues with that. I said what 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: I what I would feel at that moment. But of course, 120 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, guys, you know, depending on UM, you know 121 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: where you are in the economic you know, ladder, as 122 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: far as the sports is concerned. You know, that does 123 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: silence a lot of guys. And that's that's the one 124 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: thing that I would say about NFL players that we 125 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: always envied about basketball and the NBA is that they 126 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: did always seem to have the backup the players. You know, 127 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: even even even when it comes down to coaching in 128 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: the NBA, hiring black coaches, you know, those types of 129 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: things we were in the NFL. We look at will 130 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: be like, man, those guys are miles ahead of us. 131 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: Um as far as you know what we're doing. So 132 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: but but as far as me being uh, you know, 133 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: afraid to speak out about something, thoughts on how the 134 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: NFL is navigated through COVID and and it's you know, 135 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: efforts to try to finish this season. Uh, you know, 136 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: the NBA is definitely facing it right now with you know, 137 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: games being canceled because guys don't have enough you know, 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: players to to feel the team. The NFL for the 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: most part, obviously you guys have a lot more people 140 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: on your roster. But they've done a fairly good job 141 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: of kind of being able to navigate through this COVID. 142 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on on what they've been doing. 143 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: I think I think they've done a great job. Consider it, man, 144 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, the the NFL is a machine. You know, 145 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: this is fifteen sixteen billion dollar a year business man. 146 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: They were they were going to make it work. Um. 147 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: You know, you had a few hiccups, you know during 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: the middle of the season where they had to push 149 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: some games back and you know kind of rearranged scheduling 150 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think the NFL, man, the 151 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: owners and the commissioners and and everybody involved. Man, they 152 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: were dead set on making sure that this that this 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: season worked. And if if somebody was to you know, 154 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: get COVID or come down with symptoms or you know, 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: you had people that were um around that person and 156 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: they had the quarantine. You know, if you had to, 157 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: if you were to the Broncos that you had to 158 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: bring in a guy who never played it down, then 159 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: you brought it in because you were gonna make you 160 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: were gonna make it work. Man. So I think the 161 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: NFL that they done a new outstanding job. But I 162 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: think they have the bully pulpit, man, you know, they 163 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: they call the shots. So yeah, I think they did 164 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: a great job now, I think and I think it's 165 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: been an outstanding season. Uh thus far in the playoffs. 166 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Who who's caught your I teams players? Yeah, Man, I 167 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: really like, um what I see out of Buffalo. I've 168 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: been I've been really high on you know, their quarterback 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: this year. I think he's you know, kind of making 170 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: he's making that leap as far as being one of 171 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: the elite quarterbacks in the game. I think what they 172 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: did in the off season trading for Stefane Diggs was 173 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the the one thing that 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: they really needed, like a like a stud on the 175 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: outside that was gonna draw attention. And you see the 176 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: way that their relationship has really developed over the course 177 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: of this season. These guys are like best friends. And 178 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, when you got a quarterback and a receiver 179 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: on the same page the way that they are, you know, 180 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna put up a lot of yards, score touchdowns, 181 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: which is ultimately going to help you win games. And 182 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: when you think about it, you know, if it was 183 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: to come down to you know, the Bills and and 184 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: say the Chiefs, then you got to score points because 185 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: the Chiefs are going to score points. So you gotta 186 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: have you gotta have an offense that's that's gonna be 187 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: able to shoot it out with those guys. Um if 188 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: they happen to meet down the road black quarterbacks in 189 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs, Lamar Mahomes weston how special these guys man. 190 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's great because you know, when you 191 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: think back right when we were growing up, you know 192 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: it was you know, it was that stigma about you know, 193 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: black quarterbacks and playing you know, playing that position right. 194 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: And to have you know, so many of these young 195 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: guys coming in and really being able to you know, um, 196 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: you know take that quarterback and quarterback in position to 197 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: the next level. It just it does you some good, 198 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: right because we all, all of us, you know, had 199 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: some guys that we you know, we knew growing up 200 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: or watched you know, in high school or other high 201 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: schools that were athletic quarterbacks, but you knew as soon 202 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: as they got the college they were moving to receiver, 203 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: right or as soon as they left college and went 204 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: to the pros, somebody's gonna say, no, he maybe he'll 205 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: be a good punt returner. And so those guys never 206 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: got they never got a shot to play play the game. 207 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: And so now like you said, you know, having uh 208 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in there, man who who got his you know, 209 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: first playoff win, which is outstanding. So he's gonna be dangerous, 210 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, He's gonna be a dangerous 211 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: guy in his playoffs. So um, it's fun to watch him, man, 212 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: because they bring so much excitement into the game. You know, 213 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: you talk about my homes throwing uh no look passes 214 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: and behind his back and underhand and dude, he's a 215 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: special guy. Man. So I just I like watching all 216 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: these guys. It's just it just makes the game fun. 217 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: Thoughts on the lack I mean you touched on it 218 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: a second ago, but the lack of black head coaches 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: um in the NFL. Is there a recipe that kind 220 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: of change that? I know, Eric b Enemy as someone 221 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: who's been sitting in line definitely uh paid his dues. Um. 222 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the possible way of getting 223 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: more to versity uh? For for NFL head coaches, Well, 224 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: we thought we had that way with the Rooney rule, 225 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, but it seems like it seems like guys 226 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: are brought in, you know, just as like that that 227 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: token interview and then and then it's all about you know, 228 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: the buddy buddy system, you know, and bringing in, you know, 229 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: a guy that maybe brought you in years ago, or 230 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: a guy that's been coaching forever. You know. I think back, 231 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: or I think about a coach of mine, Joe Witt, 232 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: who's my defensive backs coach in Green Bay, and I 233 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: noticed I've been around this guy as as as a 234 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: player on the same team with him, coached by him. 235 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I know he understands football. I know he's waiting on 236 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: this shot to possibly get a coordinator position, but he 237 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: could never get that shot, you know, and he just 238 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: continues to get you know, passed over and get and 239 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: gets looked over. And you know, I'm you know, I'm 240 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter, you know how, you know, talking about him 241 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and giving him his props as as as a coach, 242 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to you know, use my voice to 243 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: help him out. He just continues to get looked over. 244 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: And so the thing is going to happen is he's 245 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, fifty years old, never having a shot, 246 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, to run a run a run of defense 247 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: and then ultimately maybe becoming head coach in the NFL. 248 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, if you look at my team, the Raiders, 249 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: they just let their coordinator go and then they immediately 250 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: go get a head coach that just got fired by 251 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: another team and to be the defensive coordinator. You know, 252 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: I sent I sent a you know text the group 253 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: and hey, bring Joe in and at least interview him. 254 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: And you know, when you when you can't get those 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: things done and be able to vouch for guys and 256 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: get him those opportunities, then they just continue to get 257 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: looked over, you know. So I mean you just need 258 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: you need some some coaches out there man to you know, hey, 259 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: man step out on a limb, you know, and bring 260 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: some of these guys in and eric b enemy that 261 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: ain't stepping out on the limb that we we've seen. 262 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: We've seen this track record and he's still not getting 263 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: a job, which I don't understand that at all. So 264 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: if they hire people to look like them at the 265 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, And I think the fact that 266 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: they had to create a rule called the Rudy Rule 267 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: to give minorities and the opportunity to really say something, 268 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: and the fact that there's really been no follow up 269 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: with that rule or enforce and enforcement of the rule, 270 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: um is unfortunate. But like I said, I mean, we're 271 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: not only good for scoring touchdowns, throwing touchdowns to getting interceptions. 272 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: We can definitely lead teams and coach teams to you know, 273 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: on the highest level as well. Yeah, no, no doubt. 274 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: Like I said, just just just don't bring in your buddy. 275 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Just don't bring in uh, you know, somebody that that 276 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: you knew along the way, you know, take a shot. Man. 277 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: This this this game is this game is evolving, and 278 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, you need guys that know truly understand the 279 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: game and can relate to players. Man. And I know 280 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: Joe w is one of those guys. So that's why 281 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: I always, you know, give him his process whenever I can. 282 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Best of luck to man, our man, Joe Witt and 283 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: his opportunities and the journeys. Um born, Fremont, Ohio. What 284 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: would your childhood like well with with sports prominted in 285 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: your family, what drew you to sports? Yeah? Man, my 286 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: my uh my mom has three kids. So older brother 287 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: and older sister who were who I grew up with 288 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: in my household. And both of them were My sister 289 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: was in the track, volleyball, my brother was football, ran track, wrestle, 290 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: and you know those were those were like my first 291 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, my childhood idols. And they were right there 292 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: in the house. And uh you know they were they 293 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: were they were beasts, you know what I mean. So 294 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: I grew up in that environment of playing sports, and 295 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, playing playing everything, you know, football, basketball, baseball, 296 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, whatever whatever you could, whatever, what kind of 297 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: ball you can put your hands on. Man, we was 298 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: out there getting it done. You know. We meet up 299 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: in the yard, man, everybody to get together player pick 300 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: up games. So whether it was baseball or what, we 301 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: were out there playing. Man. So I definitely grew up 302 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: around sportsman, and um, you know figured out fairly well 303 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: that I was pretty decent at what I was doing. 304 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: So absolutely, when did football becomes serious to you? I 305 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: would say, I think it was probably always serious. Um, 306 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I think when you know, when you're out there playing 307 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: in the yard. You know, I was one of the 308 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: kids that you know, they the older kids would bring 309 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: me out, you know, in the neighborhood and they say, hey, man, 310 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: you come on, you're playing right. That says a lot though, 311 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: because kids don't play outside the way I understand. When 312 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: you get the older kids to vouch for you, they 313 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: want you on your team. You're nice, especially if you're young. 314 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: And so I think that's where I developed some of 315 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: my moves as an offensive player, because the big dudes, man, 316 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: they wasn't playing around. Man. You know, if I was 317 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna be out there, you know what I'm saying. If 318 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna be out there, man, you gotta take 319 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: some of this pain. Man. So I was I was 320 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: trying to get to that sidelining and get up that sideline. 321 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, they're players or teams 322 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: you grew up watching or or idolizing or trying to 323 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: emulate as a youngster. I grew up watching you know, 324 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals, the browns Um. I was a big New 325 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: York Giants fan um as a kid. And then as 326 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: far as you know players, you know, like I said, 327 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: other than my brother and sister, man Walton pay was 328 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: that was That was the guy. That was the guy 329 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: for me. You always tell people that, you know when 330 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: I would be, you know, on the playground, and you 331 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: know how kids are. Man, Hey, I'm just playing. I'm 332 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: just playing. Walter Walter playing was the guy for me. 333 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: Man like sweetness, you know, had the rules on and 334 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and and that that rules Kangaroo head band, little little 335 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: Jerry curl or not. Man, See, I wondered because we 336 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: had we had Dion. Dion said his Jerry Curl was dry. 337 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: Still don't believe my wonder if Walter ship was wetter 338 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: dry Walter ship, hold on, hold on, hold on, you 339 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: gotta get dions quote correct. It was. It just looked, yeah, 340 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: it was looking wet. It looked like, Hey, I'm just 341 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: saying I'm just saying. I'm gonna say Walters was wet 342 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: because he had the head band. You gotta keep you 343 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: gotta keep that stuff about you, keep that ship out 344 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: your eyes. Yeah, my dad used to play these little 345 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood games and he would have to have the towel 346 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: around his workshirt so that ship didn't drip on this shirt. 347 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: So his ship was always listening the Classic on the 348 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: couch and everything. Man, what that ship was? What that's 349 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: so glow glove? That was? I'm from Texas, bro So 350 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: growing up, I think I'm two years older than be. 351 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: Growing up, high school football is crazy, especially on Fridays, 352 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? What was high school football 353 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: like for you in Ohio? Yeah? Well, high school football 354 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: in Ohio is one of those states. So you talk 355 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: about Texas, you talk about California, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania like 356 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: those those are the states man, and of course now 357 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: you know Jersey and there's some other other states, but 358 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: those those states there, man, high school football was everything, 359 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, and we you know, we we grew up 360 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: under the you know, the Friday night lights and you know, 361 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: you couldn't wait for Friday football. You know, the stadium 362 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: was right in the middle of our small little town, man. 363 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: And when it was time for them games, man, you 364 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: people lined up down the street, you know, trying to 365 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: get on the other side of that on the other 366 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: side of that fence, you know, to get into the 367 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: stands man, to watch football. Man. So football was it 368 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: was it was the life life blood of our community, 369 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of other places. Man. And 370 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: so like for me, you know, growing up and starting 371 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: out playing the game, man, and watching my older brother 372 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: play on Friday nights while I was still in middle school, 373 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait, you know, to get to high school 374 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: and play in that environment. Man. So that that's that's 375 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: that's a big part of growing up in my childhood 376 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: is a football that's still to me. Obviously being able 377 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: to play fifteen years in the NBA, Friday night football 378 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: sticks out to me. Yeah, I mean that like that 379 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: was the ship. It gives me chills even saying that, 380 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: Like Friday night football games for everything, man, and that 381 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: ship was the fun to me, that was the funniest. 382 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: I love the NBA, don't get me wrong, have fun 383 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: and cod but then there was nothing like them Friday 384 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: night high school football games. Now because after you know, 385 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: the game goes on and everybody's cheering, right, and then 386 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about, hey, what we're doing after the game. 387 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: You know, we we're gonna meet up at get up 388 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: at Burger King and sit out in the parking lot, 389 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially when you got older 390 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: and you can hang out. Man, that was that was 391 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: the deal man. So we wasn't we wasn't going to 392 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: burg King. The White boys had the kegs and I 393 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: had to lead, and he was going to roll up 394 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: and the joy. But I feel so very decorated. High 395 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: school career, um USA today all American Mr Football, Ohio. 396 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: What was your recruiting experience? Like, you know, I think 397 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: it came down to Ohio State in Michigan. You being 398 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: from Ohio, How hard was it to turn down Ohio 399 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: State and go to Michigan? Really? Not not hard at all. 400 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned my brother, my older brother was a big 401 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: Michigan fan. And as as I said earlier, man, he 402 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: was my first you know football, you know, childhood idol 403 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: and something. For some reason, he fell in love with Michigan. 404 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, you like Michigan. I like Michigan, 405 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, And so when it came down and recruiting, um, 406 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: I looked at Ohio State, the rival, you know. So 407 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: it was like I'm not going to the rival, you 408 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I took my my college 409 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: business to North of Dame and uh, the Miami, the Hurricanes, 410 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, down in South Florida. But but in my mind, 411 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: I think I was just always a Wolverine, you know. 412 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: So I mean I got of course letters from everywhere. 413 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Ohio State recruited me, but it was 414 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: like that was one school and I just felt like, uh, 415 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: that's why the rivalry to me is is so huge. 416 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Is because like that that determined where I went to school, 417 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: that it was the rivalry, you know what I mean. 418 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: So that's why it's it's so upsetting away our games 419 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: have gone against them, you know, the last fifteen sixteen years. 420 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, so Michigan was always you know, at the 421 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: top of the list, and you know, when that opportunity came, man, 422 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: it was like this, this is it. That's where I'm 423 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna be. So you were very talented running back and 424 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: crossed over to dB at Michigan. Was that a tough transition? 425 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Did you want to play running back still or you 426 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: were good with playing dB. That was a business decision. 427 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: Man had issues with my knees as a running back, 428 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: and then you know, every year, you know, my knees 429 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: would um swell up. You know, there was times when 430 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: I would have to you know, go get my knee 431 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: drained before the game, and I was like, I was 432 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like, I don't know if it 433 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: would be able to you know, do this long term. 434 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: And so I played. I played both sides and the 435 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: ball played defense as well. So when it came time 436 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: to go to college, I remember telling, you know, the 437 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: my my recruiter at the time. You know, he was 438 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: talking about getting me up there and you know, get 439 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: me actlimated and talking about you know, me being an 440 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: offensive weapon. I'm like, hey man, I'm gonna play defense. 441 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: So he was like what really, Really, I was like, yeah, man, 442 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play defense, man. And um, you know part 443 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: of part of that too was when you think about it, 444 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: you guys mentioned Dion Dn was like, you know, the 445 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: first defensive back that that really demanded. Hey man, y'all 446 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: gotta pay me to come out here and do this thing. 447 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: So then at that point, man, we was calling you 448 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: baby Dean at Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, man, 449 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't have to play offense or 450 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: to get a big pay day in the NFL. I 451 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: can go play defensive. So let me let me jump 452 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: on the other side and let me try to have 453 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: some longevity in the game and not have my knees 454 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: toward up every week. And so that was that was 455 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: the reason why I switched over there to the defensive side. 456 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: So what was that experience like in Michigan? Obviously a 457 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: historical program. Uh, you know, you guys went to a 458 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: national championship or won a national championship. What was the 459 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: experience of being a Wolverine life? Man? It was? It 460 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: was It was lovely, man. I mean, this is this 461 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: is the first time uh that you you know, kind 462 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: of leave home and you're kind of you know, you 463 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: you're your own man, you know you you know, you 464 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: go up there. Of course we had to stay in 465 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: the dorms in the first two years, um, but you're 466 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of making decisions on your own now, man, your 467 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: mom ain and you know, telling you to come downstairs 468 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: and get ready for this and that and all that stuff. 469 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: So it was a great experience to be around. You know, 470 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: your class of freshman that are coming in, and all 471 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: of you guys are basically just as kids, man, kind 472 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: of navigating life, you know, kind of kind of learning 473 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: the ropes man of you, kind of having that type 474 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: of freedom. But then playing for a big time program. 475 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, the first time I ran out into the stadium, 476 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: uh as as it. You know, we came out for 477 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: warm ups and then when you come out for the 478 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: actual game and it was full, Like, man, I lost 479 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: my breath. Man, I was like, oh man, I'm in 480 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: this thing. They're like, whoof you know what I mean? 481 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: So it was it was a great experience, man, and 482 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: we did you know, eventually you get to that championship 483 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: game my junior year, which really just capped it off. Man, 484 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: just capt off a great experience. So I loved my 485 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: time in inn Arbor, so big ten Freshman of the Year, 486 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: sophomore year, you achieve All American honors, and then your 487 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: junior year you pick up that heisman over Peyton Manning 488 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and get a chance to share the national championship with Nebraska. 489 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: What was that final season? Like? It was crazy, you know, 490 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: but I'll get to the championship part. But you know, 491 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: coming off of my my sophomore year. You know, we 492 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: we lost a couple of close games man, that we 493 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: that I feel like we shouldn't have lost, and that 494 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people just really start, you know, 495 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: crushing Michigan. And I remember one one sports commentator called 496 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: us um they said to him and Michigan still for mediocre, 497 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: And dude, you want to talk about you want to 498 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: talk about burning? You want to talk about burning? Man. 499 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: So I remember man going into that, uh to that season, 500 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: and I just said to myself, you know what I'm 501 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: about to show these guys, man, how how we gonna work, 502 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: How we gonna work the entire offseason? Man? And so 503 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: I just went out there, man, focus, and throughout throughout 504 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: that season, I felt like everybody kind of you know, 505 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: fed off what people were saying about us. But then 506 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: at the same time, we went out there and put 507 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: the work in and we end up, you know, of course, 508 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: going undefeated. You know, come down to the our last 509 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: game playing against you know, Ohio State, and need to 510 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: get that win. And always felt like, man, I my 511 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: my my college experience won't be fulfilled the right way 512 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: if I don't go out without going to the Rose Bowl, 513 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: you gotta go to the Rose Bowl, and so finally 514 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: gotta come. I got to Man. So finally achieved that, Man, 515 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: and got out there, played against Washington State, Man and 516 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: got got a chance to hold that trophy up as 517 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: a number one team in the country, man, and that 518 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: was that was everything to me. It's to me, it's 519 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: all about. All of the individual stuff I was able 520 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: to achieve is great, but Man, when you can hold 521 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: that trophy up man as the best team you know 522 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: in the country, Man, that's to me, that's what it's 523 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: all about. When you talk about making a business decision 524 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: going to Michigan to play defense, and then you talk 525 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: about all the ship y'all had to hear after your 526 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: sophomore season, did that play into you wanted to get 527 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: more involved on the offensive in your junior year being 528 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: apart returner in the receiver at times. Yeah. So after 529 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: my my freshman year, we had, uh two receivers um 530 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: a money tumor. You guys do money and mercury hags 531 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and those who are starting receivers and those guys were leaving. 532 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: So my my sophomore year, you know, I approached you know, 533 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: the coach and I was like, you know what, we 534 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: got two of our best guys leaving. Man, you might 535 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: need a little help over there, man, but I'll go 536 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: out on the outside. Man. You know what you think 537 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: about be playing some receiver and uh, he was like, yeah, 538 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, you know, let me think about it. So 539 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: then it gave me a couple of plays in spring ball, 540 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: and uh, I made you know, one one quick, like 541 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: a little quick hitch and you know, made a guy 542 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: missing up the sideline. I think the coach is like, yeah, 543 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: I think we we can do something with that. Man. 544 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: So uh, you know, my my road increased just a 545 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, my junior year, made some timely 546 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: plays on offense, but it was it was it was 547 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: all to just help the team win. I just I 548 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 1: just wanted to win the championship. Man, I don't care 549 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: how I got it done. So you end up beating 550 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: out Peyton Manning um for the Heisman that year, a 551 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: rarely awarded that is that is awarded to the defense. 552 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: How confident were you? I know, obviously winning is most important, 553 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: but but but what was how was your confidence going 554 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: into that Heisman situation? Knowing how good Peyton Manning was 555 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: on the other side, of the ball, and the Heisman 556 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: normally goes to an offensive no confidence, no confidence, you know, 557 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: not that not that I now, I thought I should win. 558 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: But you know, if you if you go back to 559 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: that season and you, um, you go back to everything 560 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: that was written or said about you know, Payton. I 561 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: think he could have he could have left early, I 562 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: believe and going to the NFL. But he came back 563 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: for his senior year, and that was kind of what 564 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: people were talking about. Oh, he's coming back to win 565 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy and basically it was his trophy at 566 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: that point to lose, like he was gonna win it. 567 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: And so every week it was it was paid Man 568 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: and Payton Manning. Um. Kind of midway through then I 569 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: started to pick up some traction, you know, as as 570 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: being the best player in the country. Um. And I 571 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: remember getting to New York and and I was sitting 572 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: in um the car going to the hotel, and it 573 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: was just this this huge, you know, four page article 574 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: and picture of Peyton Man and I was like, god, man, 575 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just gonna be up here. Yeah, I done, man, 576 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be up here for a couple of days. Man. 577 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: And that's and that's gonna be it. But you know, 578 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: to be in that moment, and you know, sitting there, 579 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, in that panel, I got my man Randy 580 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Moss to my right, you know, paging and Ryan Leaf 581 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: and you know, I always, you know, share this story 582 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: that you know they said my name. You know, um 583 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: uh the guy's name was Rudy Riska. You know, he's 584 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: like from Michigan, and you know I heard it and 585 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, my mind is turning. 586 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: It's happening all fast, but in my mind is like 587 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: slow motion, like did he say? Did he say from Michigan? 588 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: And uh, Randy's on my right, and Randy just he 589 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of gave me a nudge, man like get up. 590 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, snap, man, I just wouldn't. I 591 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: was like, man, this is what's up? Man. So I didn't. 592 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: I didn't have a speech prepared, man, none of that. Man. 593 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: I just got to get up there and wing it. 594 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: But to think, you know what I mean, the dB 595 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: took it from Randy ya credible, Peyton Manning who was incredible, 596 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: and Ryan Lepho was a great college player. For dB 597 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: to get that award, that's huge. Yeah, don't happen. Man, 598 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: only one, It's only one, baby, It's only one, right, 599 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: the fourth pick to the Oakland Raiders. What was that experience? Like? 600 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: It was great. You know, I got to get a 601 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: chance to go, you know, to the draft, you know, 602 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: bring your family up there. Um, you know, it was 603 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, everybody was saying that, you know, I was 604 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, the fourth pig to the Raiders. 605 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: But then there was you know, there was some rumblings 606 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: that maybe the Raiders might trade out of it, and 607 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: so then all of a sudden, at the last minute, 608 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, man, I could I could 609 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: I could actually be sitting here for a while. The 610 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: Raiders don't pick me at four, you know what I mean. 611 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: But boom, you get that call, man, and that wait 612 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: in that green room, and uh, I mean it's just yeah, 613 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know how you explain that, man, 614 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: because you know, you grew up watching, you know, the NFL, 615 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: and you know, hoping one day maybe you get a 616 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: chance to play it in all of us, and you 617 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: get that call and it's like it's solidified, like, man, hey, man, 618 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: you're going into the NFL, you know, And so to 619 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: be able to get drafted by you know, a story franchise, 620 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, Al Davis, the Silver and Black, you know, 621 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders, Tim Brown, Howie Long. Willie Brown was like, 622 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't really know you know the 623 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: history at this point, like like I do now, but 624 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, once I got in there and kind of 625 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: got you know, immersed in it, it was like, Man, 626 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm a I'm a Raider, you know what 627 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean? So yeah, man, So what was that experience? 628 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: Like Jack and I got a chance to That's where 629 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, Jack and obviously knew each other playing, but 630 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: we became brothers when we played in Oakland together for 631 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: the Warriors. Talk to us about what that city was like, 632 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: an energy around the town because sports is everything to 633 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: the fans. Yeah, man, that town love is deep, man. 634 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: That the town love is deep, man. And they absolutely 635 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: loved the Oakland Raiders. Man. And there's there's there's a 636 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's a like you said, you guys played there, man, 637 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: So there's a there's an energy there, um that you 638 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: just don't catch a lot of other places. Man. You 639 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: know when you when you walk into that stadium, man 640 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: on game day and you know, you see the silver 641 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: and black, you see the black hole. You know, you 642 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: see them guys, you see the fans in the stands 643 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: man ready to root their team. Oh man, it's like 644 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: you can yeah yeah, yeah, yeah they will, they will, 645 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, we we will come out of games man 646 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, man, something happened to Buddy in 647 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: the bathroom, and we'll be like they're getting down right. 648 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: So it's kind of they came to down as the 649 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: years went on. But man, when hey, when I got there, Man, 650 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: don't don't come in there, man with that other jersey 651 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: on talking slip. Sometimes you ain't even gotta talk. Sometimes 652 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: you just gotta have that. It could be it could 653 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: be the wrong day, straight up. Any crazy stories you 654 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: remember from your time kind of either on or off 655 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the field that we're just like, yo, I mean, this 656 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: is what the NFL is like. Um, you know, I 657 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: think probably like just off the top of my head, 658 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: like you know, being being you know, going on the 659 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: way games. You know, everybody, you know, you brought your 660 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, your favorite beverage, you know what I mean, 661 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: And a lot of times, a lot of times coming 662 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: home from them games man, you know, when when it 663 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: gets the flowing. You know, a lot of those real 664 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: emotions come out, man. And you know times when guys 665 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: was getting heated on the plane. Man, all of a sudden, 666 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: man to step off that bus back at the facilities, 667 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, these cats in the NFL ain't 668 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: playing around, you know what I mean? So so yeah 669 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that they the NFL man to get real on you. 670 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: We have some crazy uh returning to Oakland story. Remember 671 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: remember that time we was going to my place, Jacket 672 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: and uh, we was in my truck and Beaty was 673 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: talking about who's riding with us? Yeah, yeah, and he 674 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: blew my mind when he said Biggie he said, he said, 675 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: he said, big what's cheering for us? And when he 676 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: was getting off the elebody, he said, yeah a stack 677 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: park two. Come on, hey, this is when this this 678 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: is we was making our we believe. I gotta just 679 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: a random mass story. So I remember my freshman year 680 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: in u c l A. Was night and you came 681 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: to u c l A. And he was working with 682 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: bad and I happened to just go over Beata's house 683 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: this one this one time, and I come in and 684 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: I fanned out like I saw you, and then I 685 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: backed away for a little bit. I said, does that 686 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: motherfucking Charles, what's something there? Sitting on Baron's couch? Like, 687 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: I tripped out because I'm a huge, huge football fan 688 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: and came in and you was kicking and you was 689 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: cool as a fan man, just quiet to yourself, but 690 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: just a real cool dude. So I remember meeting you 691 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: my freshman year at u c l A because you 692 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: was kicking it with bearn. But you know, we got 693 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of crazy ass Baron David stories, but we'll 694 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: save those. Remember that story, man, Yeah, no, that was crazy. 695 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: So you win Defensive Rookie of the Year Pro Bowl 696 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: soon after all Pro playing sixteen years, there's I guess 697 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: it's more in the NBA now, is that this management 698 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: and we kind of you know, we resting all this up. 699 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: But for you to consistently play sixteen games every season 700 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: in such a physical sport, I mean, we just got 701 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: to commend you for that, man, because that that ship 702 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: is tough to do. You know, we play basketball, it's 703 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: a little bit physical, but to be out there every 704 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: single day and suit up as a football player, man, 705 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: that that that that that's that's tough to do. You know, 706 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: it's It's It's funny you say that because you know, 707 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: I sit back I watched games now, or if I'm 708 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: at a game and I'm on the sideline and you know, 709 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: guys are out there giving it everything they've gotten. All 710 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's a tackle that's near you, and 711 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: I can I can hear the contact, I see the 712 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: physicalness of the game. And I sit there and I 713 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: think to myself, Man, how in the hell did you 714 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: do this for so long? You know, getting up every week, man, 715 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, practice and you know, playing on Sundays and 716 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you you know, you get up on 717 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, you're still feeling last Sunday, you know, um, 718 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: and the one thing that gets you through, you know, 719 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: going back to the fans and walking out into the 720 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: walking out into the stadium. Like once you get out 721 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: there into that stadium, man, sometimes that energy from the 722 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: crowd hits you, man, and that's you That's what you need, 723 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: you know. Otherwise, man, you'll be trying to stay back 724 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: in the in the hotel room and sleep it off. 725 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a tough game, man, But you 726 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 1: know what, when you love it, you know, and you 727 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: you you're fighting for a chance to win the championship. Man, 728 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: you'll run through a wall? Can you really quit? Kind 729 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: of walk us through because like I said to me, 730 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: being a fan of the game, my brother getting a 731 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: chance to play some semi pro football. What's your week 732 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: is like? Because your guys bodies are really beat up 733 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: and like you just said, without that adrenaline sometimes ship 734 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: you don't know where you would be. So what is 735 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: your routine? So if you play on Sunday, walk us 736 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: through the week leading up to the following Sunday games over. 737 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, now it's on to the next opponent. But 738 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: what you're doing is on that Monday, you're going and 739 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: you'll watch film of the game you just played, you know, 740 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: kind of go over. Um. You know, any corrections that 741 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: that the coaches have seen, you know, they'll give you 742 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: a grade, you know, as far as how you perform, 743 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: whether or not you missed any assignment. So you I 744 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: have some if you got a bunch of red checkmarks on, 745 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: it's like school, your ads had a bad day. Um. 746 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: So then you know, after that, either either before or 747 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: after that, you know, you get your workout in, you know, 748 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, try to you know, just trying to work 749 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: through everything man and keep yourself mobile. And then uh, 750 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: you know after that, you know, usually mondy usually Tuesdays 751 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: or your days off, So between Monday and Tuesday you're 752 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, when you're gonna try 753 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: to get your massage in and all that stuff man, 754 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: and try to you know, work some of that stuff out. Wednesdays, 755 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Thursdays are your long practice. Usually Wednesdays are 756 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, first and you go over first and second down. Um, 757 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: so that that day is gonna be long. You're gonna 758 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: get out of there maybe five, you know, five thirty 759 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: or so. Um, Thursday is gonna kind of be the 760 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: same thing. You're gonna go over your third down and 761 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: then you know, kind of marry some some some red 762 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: zone which will have on Friday, and then some still 763 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: some first and second down stuff, but it's mainly you know, 764 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: you focus on that third down and trying to get 765 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: off the football field. So that's gonna be another long 766 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: day five five thirty. Then Friday row around, Uh, Friday, 767 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna go over red zone. You know, it's gonna 768 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: be more of a walk through tempo for portions of it, 769 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: and then you'll get into uh really some some game 770 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: management type stuff. Uh so, but it's a shorter day. 771 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, you probably get out of there. You know, 772 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: everything will be done probably one thirty two o'clock on Saturday. 773 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,479 Speaker 1: You're gonna walk through in the morning, you know, meet 774 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, watching films. It's gonna be pretty light. And 775 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: then uh uh Saturday night you meet up at the 776 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: hotel and you also you go through your individual meetings, 777 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: uh team meeting, you know, uh pregame or nightly before 778 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: the game, meal or whatnot. Curfew at eleven and then man, 779 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: you're back at it again on Sunday, ready to roll. 780 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: Let me touch on that that that curfew because you know, 781 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: as basketball players, we didn't have the I guess maybe 782 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: the the structure from a standpoint, and you guys are 783 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: really in there all day. When you go at facility, 784 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: you in there in the morning and like you said, 785 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: five thirty, you know, like a real like a real 786 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: work yeah nine if I know, Yeah, yeah, we're going there. 787 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: We get our extra shots, we watch film, we get stretched, 788 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: we left, we do all that ship we practice. We're 789 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: still out of there and no more than three hours sometimes, 790 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: but Nellie, we mother be at the end and out 791 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: that bitch in forty five minutes sometimes. But to have 792 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: that kind of like curfew, And did you guys have roommates? 793 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: It was that only for the players that weren't like superstars. 794 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: How did that ship work? Some guys like the room 795 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: on the road. Um, I had my own room when 796 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: you first came in, like rookie, I think rookies second 797 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: year of players, you had to have a roommate. But 798 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: if you if you older in the game, you stay 799 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: in the room by yourself. So yeah, okay, I couldn't 800 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: imagine having no ruck. Couldn't get nothing off on the 801 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: road right now. I couldn't have done that spen speaking 802 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: of y'all, man, I know, I know y'all don't have curfew. 803 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: I lived in Atlanta for about eight years. Man, I remember, man, 804 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: so you've seen Jack an, I've seen Jack, seen Jack 805 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: a few times. I've seen him a few times, man. 806 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: And uh, I remember being out one night. Man, it's 807 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: it's five six and on it. Man, I see my man, hey, 808 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: hey eyes out there and you know, at the club, man, 809 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: and like, damn this man, how's he got a game tomorrow? Man? Man? Hey, 810 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: I got out there and gave the people forty or 811 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: five points. Man, I said, she, well, you know what 812 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: he's doing. You know what he's doing. Some of us 813 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: canna do it because I always wanted that I would 814 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: hear the curfew out here, the roommates, and then you 815 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: are on the flip side with us, you know, that 816 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: whole Warrior team. We would be out till the sun 817 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: came up sometimes and still have a game that night, 818 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: and still went hard the whole night. Like I said, 819 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: it was just so much different to where, like I said, 820 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: the Strug, not that we were we were actually while, 821 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: but I'm saying as far as the structure and the 822 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: rules and the regulations, we didn't have that kind of ship. 823 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: You know. Once we got to the league, it was like, 824 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: like you say, like you're real, like you really so 825 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: everything you on your own, doing whatever you gotta do, 826 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: and some people can handle in. Some came right right 827 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,240 Speaker 1: and and to really, I mean, I think that freedom, 828 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: that leash that they give you. Some of fucker's hating themselves. 829 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: But because like you said, if you can't you out 830 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: here doing whatever and you're not perform them and on 831 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: Sunday or when the ball goes up at seven for us. 832 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: You hanging yourself, no doubt about it. Talk about you 833 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: was able to turn that that that a leash into 834 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: a motherfucking gold change jack assholes that cash. So what 835 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: what was it like you as a player evolving into 836 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: the one of the best defensive players of the game, 837 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: your team evolving into a contender all why under John 838 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: gruten Yeah, man, it's it's really to me, it's about experience. 839 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, the more you play, um, I think, the 840 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: better you get, the more understanding of the game, the 841 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: more time you in certain situations, the better you get, 842 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 1: the more times you see things, the better you get. Um. 843 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: So I just you know, as a player, you know, 844 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: being able to come in as a rookie and start 845 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: and play sixteen games, I felt like, I feel like 846 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: for any player, man, from your first year to your 847 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: second year, it should be your biggest your biggest jump 848 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: if you're able to play, you know, sixteen games. So, um, 849 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: I was thrown into the fire, you know, in the NFL, man, 850 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: and which was great for me because I wanted to 851 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: be out there anyway. But we we we built the 852 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: team man Grouten and um you know, our gym and 853 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: everything they started building building that contender, you know, bringing 854 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: in some pieces, you know, and putting them in the 855 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: right places. You know. We were a veteran team, you 856 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: know that. So we had Tim Brown who was there 857 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: when I already got there. Then Jerry Rice came outside 858 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: linebacker named William Thomas, and you know, Eric Allen was there. 859 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: So we had some veteran guys. And then we added 860 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: some pieces man that you know, got us to to 861 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: being a contender in the league. And so you know, 862 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: I was around some some guys man, like some real lives, 863 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, legends man, Eric Turner, Eric Allen, you know. 864 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: Then rich Gannon came in and so I was, I 865 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,479 Speaker 1: was Jerry right, man, come on, man, Charlie Garner, my boy, 866 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: Charlie Man. So I as yeah, man, So I had 867 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: some real that has some real dudes. I felt like 868 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but get better. So in two thousand, 869 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: uh twelve and fourth season, you guys losing the a 870 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: f C Championship to the Ravens two thousand one, you 871 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: guys go ten and six meat the Jets in the 872 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: wild card go to New England two thousand. Tell me 873 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: what you remember about this day, because I remember it 874 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: was crazy I don't know where we're at, but we 875 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: were walking through the airport and we caught the end 876 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: of this game. January nine two two Raiders at the 877 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: Patriots the snow game and where a new rule was 878 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: created on the fly because of a bullshit call. Talked 879 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: to us about what happened, Uh, that particular play with 880 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, which eventually led them to go on to 881 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: win their first Super Yeah, they pulled that thing out 882 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: of thin air. Man. Uh, but you know, I just remember, um. 883 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: You know, they called a blitz. You know, I was, 884 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: I was playing it on the on the inside. I 885 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: was playing nickel. They called a blitz and uh, you know, 886 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: I'm coming off that that left side. He don't see 887 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: me coming, you know, he don't he don't know him coming. 888 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: And I could see him, you know, bring that ball 889 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: this way because he was about to throw it, and 890 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: then he brought it back. And right as he was 891 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: bringing that thing back, boom, I'm slapping the ball. Now 892 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: the game The game is over, you know what I'm saying. 893 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: Because there was a think a minute and fifty two 894 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: seconds left or some something crazy like that, and all 895 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: we had to do was kneel on the ball. And 896 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna run the clock out, boom, game over. We 897 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: move on. I think we would have played Pittsburgh and 898 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: we had our shot at U you know, getting to 899 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: the super Bowl at that point. And so we get 900 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: to the sideline and and they say it's under two minutes. 901 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: So then it's a it's a booth review, right automatic, 902 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: and so but we're like, it's so fun. But what 903 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: they're looking at it, what they're looking at it anywhere, 904 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it seemed like 905 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: it took a lifetime for them to come back with 906 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: a decision. So we're all sitting on the sideline like 907 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: what what would be taking so long? The man FROMB 908 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: with the ball and not the ball out we recovered 909 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: like game over. And so he comes back, you know 910 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: with the quarterback's hand was going forward, you know, tug rule, 911 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: and so man, you could have you could have you 912 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: could have you could have pushed me over, man with 913 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,240 Speaker 1: with with your with with your index finger. Man just 914 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: just pushed me down. Man, you talk about you're talking 915 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: about the sideline deflated. Man, You guys play sports, man, 916 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: you know how you know how momentum uh affects your team, 917 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: whether you have it or if you don't have it, 918 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: and it just man, it just family crushes, man. And 919 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: so they end up going down and believe you know, 920 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: kicking the field goal, tying tying it up, and then 921 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now went overtime, and we're I'll 922 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: be honest, man, I think we're still trying to figure 923 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: out how are we in overtime? You know? Man, this game, 924 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,439 Speaker 1: this game ships been over. And then they drove down 925 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: far enough and kick a field goal um to win 926 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: the game. Man. And that was that. Man. I just 927 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: I was devastating. I was hurt, you know. I think 928 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: when you know it, man, when you put when you 929 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: put your heart and soul into something and you feel 930 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: like he gets taken from you, like not faring squarely, 931 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 1: like not just not just head up. Man, that hurts. Man. 932 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: That's the worst part, especially for you guys because you 933 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: guys don't play as many games as us. But anytime, 934 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: like you said, you put everything into it and it's 935 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: and it's out of your hands, it's taken from like 936 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: you lose, you lose a game. That ship is hard 937 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: to swallow. But when that ship is taken from you 938 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: with the with with with the circumstances that were on 939 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: the line for you guys in that particular game. And 940 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: like I said, I remember being in the airport. We 941 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: were at U C. L A, and we're come. We 942 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: had just finished the game, maybe in Arizona, so that 943 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: like the whole little terminal was watching this motherfucking game 944 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: and everyone's like what wait, wait, what just they what? 945 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: They gave him the ball back? Like we were all 946 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: trimmling out, like how did that happen? But that had 947 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: to be tough, man, And like I said, that was 948 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: the first time they get a chance to go on 949 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 1: and get their first Super Bowl. So two thousand two, Um, 950 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 1: Gruden moves on to Tampa Bay. How did that go down? 951 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: Did you have any sense that you know, there was 952 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: there was some rumblings in the front office between him 953 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: and the front office or was it a random move? 954 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: What happened? Yeah? I mean I don't, I don't. I don't. 955 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: I still don't really truly understand how it went down. 956 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: But I remember I think I was I think I 957 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: was at home, Um, and somebody gave me a car. 958 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: They were like, hey, uh you your team just traded 959 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: gihn Grouten to to Tampa and and uh, I was 960 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: like traded. I was like, you can't. You can't trade 961 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: a coach, you know what I'm saying, Like like that 962 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: was that was so foreign to me, Like they traded 963 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: John grow And I was like, I don't even know 964 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I don't even understand that. And 965 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: so then all of a sudden, man, you know, you get, 966 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: you get. You go over to the facilities like, yeah, man, 967 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: Groom is gone, Like what the like, we just we 968 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,959 Speaker 1: just we got a good team. We just got beat 969 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: by such and such, you know, so we're basically gonna 970 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: have the same team coming back, and you trade the coach, 971 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: come on, man. So that was that was just uh, 972 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, that was straight out of the Twilight zone. Man. 973 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: I still don't quite understand. Man, what what may al 974 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: at that time say, you know, let's let's trade Grooden. 975 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: And then after that, man, we went to the Super Bowl, 976 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: played Grooden in the Super Bowl, and we know how 977 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: that went down. Man, it got everly for us out there, 978 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: but it was it was tough. But talk to us 979 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: about that though, because I mean in two thousand two 980 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: when he left, that was the first time you used 981 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: to stay in. Your first real injury, you had a 982 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: shoulder injury that you know had you missed eight games, 983 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: also the leg injury. You come back, You guys win 984 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: the a f C. You guys are facing your former 985 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: coach the very next year in the Super Bowl. What 986 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: went wrong that week? I remember you're sending what was 987 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: the baron Robinson Center was in Mexico or some ship? 988 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: So like, what what did you feel the energy was 989 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: off for? You? Feel like you guys were all the 990 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: way locked in um for that particular matchup. Or was 991 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: the energy off? And that Tampa Bay defense was a problem. 992 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: Now tele based defense was good, but we felt like 993 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: we had the team that could beat him. But we 994 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: we feel, you know a lot of us feel like, 995 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, our game plan ended up. You know, our 996 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: coach at the time ended up switching the game plan, 997 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, last minute, and it really takes you to 998 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, talk to Tim Brown who played on the 999 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: offense and kind of right, get in get into the 1000 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: details of that. But yeah, Bary Robbins later in the 1001 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: week ended up. Um, you know, I don't know where 1002 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: he I don't know where he was, you know, but 1003 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you hear these whispers. Hey man, 1004 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: Baron Robbins is missing. Now, Barry Robbins, people don't really remember. 1005 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: He's probably he's probably the best center in football, and 1006 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: now that's facts. I probably best center in football. And 1007 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: so to lose him, you know, it hurt. But as 1008 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: long as we were able to if we would have 1009 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: stuck to our game plan, I think we would have 1010 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: been fine. So when we get out to that game, 1011 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: you know a lot of what we did offensively was 1012 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: to the outside. What Tampa Bay runs Tampa two, So 1013 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: you can't you're not gonna beat them to the sideline. 1014 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: Were running because they are fast defense. Derek Brooks in 1015 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: the middle east sideline, the sideline, sapping them. Boys, they coming. 1016 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: You have to really attack them, like up the middle, 1017 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: and we waited way too late. And late in the 1018 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: game we scored, you know a couple of touchdowns by 1019 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: hitting them up the middle of the field, but it 1020 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,760 Speaker 1: was too late. We had thrown two interceptions. By that time, 1021 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,720 Speaker 1: they had ran maybe two interceptions back for touchdowns. Something crazy. 1022 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: Then they scored another one on defense. Before you know it, man, 1023 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: we were down twenty one points and something crazy. I 1024 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: remember that because that to yeall won the NBA Championship, 1025 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: and I remember celebrating with Tampa Bay and I was 1026 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,479 Speaker 1: looking at their defense. Bro. That's why I said that 1027 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,800 Speaker 1: Warren Sapp, David dig Brooks, McFarland, they had some animals 1028 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: on their defense. Bro. Yeah, it was fast, tast flowing defense. Man. 1029 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: Take that away from See. I thought the Raiders had 1030 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: the offense though they had Rich Getting, they had the receivers. 1031 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 1: Had you still had Garner? Didn't you garner that Wheatley? Yeah? Yeah, 1032 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 1: I thought, I see that's what I thought. Like I said, 1033 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: they had a hell of a defense, but I thought 1034 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: that offense matched up well with them, you know, well 1035 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: enough to beat them. But you know, it happened. So 1036 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: the next three seasons kind of go up in the air, 1037 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: riddled the injury. You signed a seven year deal with 1038 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: Green Bay. Was that a tough decision the Raiders or 1039 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: was the time you felt like your time was up 1040 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: to make a move. Yeah? They the Raiders had franchised 1041 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: me twice. Um at that point and then after that 1042 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: scene with your money, playing with your money, and then 1043 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: after that season, um, I believe I forget who the 1044 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: GM was at the time. I think he made a 1045 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: statement that you know, there was no value of bringing 1046 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: me back to the Raiders. So it was like, all right, 1047 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: well the rights on the wall. I got to get 1048 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: up out of here. So that offseason, you know, I'm 1049 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: a free agent and uh, you know I was. I 1050 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: was trying to get to Tampa because Groom was there, right, 1051 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,320 Speaker 1: so he's my coach. I'm trying to get to Tampa. Uh. 1052 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: That didn't work out. So then it was Jacksonville had 1053 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: a great defense. I was then I was My focus 1054 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: was on Jacksonville. They said they didn't need a corner, 1055 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: like damn. Uh. So then you know, I'm trying for 1056 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: for a few other teams and then all of a sudden, 1057 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, green Bay start reaching out. Um, and you know, 1058 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: I was very reluctant. You know, I've never had any 1059 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: plans on going to green Bay. But green Bay they 1060 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: made the effort, and uh, you know, they made an 1061 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: offer that it was like, hey, you know what I'm saying, 1062 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: I want to I know, I want to play football, 1063 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they made me a 1064 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: great offer. It was like, all right, well, you know what, 1065 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to Green Bay and see what happens. And 1066 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: then you know, I got there, man, and all of 1067 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, people start trying me out there 1068 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: on the field, and then the interceptions start rolling in. Man, 1069 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: it was it was all good from there. So we 1070 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: wanted to know what was it like. You know, obviously 1071 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 1: Lambeau was a historic field. There's so much tradition to history. 1072 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 1: As cold as a motherfucker out there. What was it 1073 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 1: like playing like called the Lambeau your homes. It's interesting 1074 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,399 Speaker 1: because we talked about growing up in my hometown and 1075 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, having the stadium kind of being right in 1076 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: the center of the community. That's the way Green Bay was, 1077 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: and so it kind of felt like, you know, growing up, 1078 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: it felt like you know that Friday night light, this 1079 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: type of field, you know what I mean when you know, 1080 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: the families got together and you walked to the football 1081 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: game and tell five dollar tail gating signs and people's 1082 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 1: driveway you need to park, you park right here, you 1083 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: walk to the game, and you know, til gating was 1084 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: was live and uh, you know, I remember, um, they 1085 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: have a team scrimmage every year and I remember going 1086 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: to this scrimmage. This this is you know, in training 1087 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,400 Speaker 1: camp and it was seventy two thousand people there for 1088 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: the scrimmage, and we didn't even we didn't even really going. 1089 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: We ain't going really live live. I mean it's live, 1090 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: but it ain't. I was like, oh, man, okay, this 1091 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: is this, this this is cool, right, ain't there meet 1092 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,240 Speaker 1: up meet up at the game? Man? Yeah? So um 1093 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: so yeah man, it ended up, um, you know, being 1094 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: a great experience. It took me a while to kind of, 1095 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,799 Speaker 1: you know, get acclimated to it, you know, because I 1096 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: was reluctant to go there. Um. But once I just 1097 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: got got there, you know, kind of settled down and 1098 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,880 Speaker 1: started making plays. Um had some young guys with me, man, 1099 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: some young dogs you know back there in the secondary 1100 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: who um was out there making plays too. So then 1101 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,440 Speaker 1: we just started having fun, man. And so that's that 1102 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: to me, Man, it made all the difference, you know, 1103 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: settling down in the community and then having fun on 1104 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: the football field. Man. It was all good from there, absolutely. 1105 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: So like you said, your first year, they thought you 1106 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: had lost a step and you had to funk around 1107 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: and lead the league and intersect pans where eight interceptions 1108 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: that had to what was that feeling like? You know 1109 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: what I mean, had had battled a little bit go 1110 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: to a place you're really sure with, but once you 1111 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 1: got your footing, you come out like like nothing could changed. 1112 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: Was it was that refreshing obviously to kind of let 1113 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, okay, let's go, we're here. Yeah. I was 1114 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: like que man messed around and hit a triple double 1115 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: on him, you know what I mean? Uh, you know 1116 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 1: you I had to hear. I had to hear all 1117 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: of the talk. You know. Of course, you know I 1118 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,279 Speaker 1: did have some injuries, like you mentioned, but everybody was 1119 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: talking about, hey, you know, he's lost the step. And 1120 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: I remember one one, uh, like I forget what it was. 1121 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: Magazine had me raided like the two hundred something player 1122 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: in the league, and that reminded me of the mediocre Michigan. 1123 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 1: So I was like, man, we can't have that. We 1124 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: can't have that on my have that on my name, man. 1125 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: So um, you know, the competition, as far as I 1126 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: was talking about the young fellas on the team, man, 1127 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: we like really started competing man in practice, and you know, 1128 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to let these guys know, Man, hey, 1129 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, when you get out on the field, man, 1130 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna see everything you saw on film. And let's 1131 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: start getting this ball. So we started having a lot 1132 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: of competition and it just made the game fun. And 1133 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 1: so we just continue to get better and better as 1134 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: a group. Um and I played with you know, um 1135 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: Brett Farr was there at first. So my second year there, 1136 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, we make it to the championship game, you know, 1137 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,360 Speaker 1: end up losing to the Giants, but you know, we 1138 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: knew we had good players, you know on that team man, 1139 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: to where we were going to be competitive. That's definitely 1140 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,680 Speaker 1: what the next thing I was gonna ask you was 1141 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: seeing kind of the end for Brett Farr. Who was 1142 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,479 Speaker 1: you know at the time there everything, Uh, did you 1143 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: see what I guess the coachings have starred in Aaron Rodgers, 1144 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,399 Speaker 1: no question and no question, no question. I think we 1145 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,279 Speaker 1: we we all knew it. Man. I think the one 1146 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,879 Speaker 1: thing was too it was like, you know Brett, Uh 1147 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 1: for those couple of years, you know, he didn't know 1148 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: if he was coming back or not coming back. Uh, 1149 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: And so everybody was kind of you know figured out that, 1150 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, what was gonna do. But in the back 1151 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 1: of our mind we were like if he if he leaves, 1152 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be all right, man, because we 1153 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 1: we gotta do it over there that's sitting behind him. Man, 1154 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: they can chuck that thing around. Man. And he had 1155 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean you talked about a live arm and throwing 1156 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 1: on throwing throwing dimes on the run and accurate as ever. Man. 1157 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: We definitely, we definitely saw it. What was the dynamic 1158 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,400 Speaker 1: like between what what was there? Was it smooth or 1159 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: what was that dynamic light between Farv and Rogers? Yeah, 1160 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,880 Speaker 1: I think those two had their had their friction early on. 1161 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: I think when you look at uh, I remember a 1162 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when um, the Steelers brought in 1163 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: a backup of Ben Roethlisberger and he was mad because 1164 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: they brought in the backup. You know what I'm saying. 1165 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,879 Speaker 1: It's like, hey man, I'm still here. Why we don't 1166 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: need a backup quarterback? Um? I think they I think 1167 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,000 Speaker 1: they had that dynamic and I think, uh, you know, 1168 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: Brett took a little bit of offense to that. I 1169 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 1: think Brett said something along the lines of, you know, 1170 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: he don't need to, you know, help the next guy. Um, 1171 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: you know that you bring in. You know his thought was, Man, 1172 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 1: I'm the quarterback, you brought him in, You help him, 1173 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um? So you didn't like 1174 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: for me, you know, being on the defensive side, you 1175 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: really don't see all that goes on with those guys 1176 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,799 Speaker 1: because they have their meetings or whatnot. But I know 1177 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 1: they did have, you know, a rocky start, which I 1178 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: think since then have kind of mended those, uh those problems. 1179 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: M h yeah, I mean it happens. So is Aaron 1180 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: Rodgers first season two thousand and eight. That's his first year, 1181 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,839 Speaker 1: so there's no playoffs that year. Uh oh nine, you guys, 1182 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: uh losing the wild card to the Cardinals two thousand 1183 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: and ten. The road to the super Bowl at ten 1184 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: and sixth season, but get hot at the right time. 1185 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 1: You guys beat the Eagles in the wild card, Falcons 1186 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 1: in the division uh NFC championship, you beat the Bears, 1187 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: and then you face the Steelers in the super Bowl. 1188 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 1: Talk to us about your second time around in the 1189 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. What's the second time around like for you? Yeah, 1190 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 1: I finally got back, man. You know, it's hard to 1191 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: get there. That's that's what I learned. She's already to 1192 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: get to that super Bowl. Um, but you know, we 1193 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: were coming off a season you mentioned two thousand nine 1194 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 1: that was our best team actually, uh and we we 1195 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: screwed that off in the playoffs against Arizona. But we 1196 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: came back you know that next season, man, knowing that, 1197 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, we had basically the same players. Man, we 1198 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: we got to get it done this particular season. And 1199 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: then it was crazy is that throughout that season, injury 1200 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: after injury hit that team. Man, we end up having 1201 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: six team players. I think it was on I R. 1202 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about some dogs. You guys know, Jamachael Finley. 1203 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: Jamachael Finley was our tight end man. He was a 1204 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 1: matchup nightmare for people. Uh, he ended up getting hurt. 1205 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: So we had some real dogs that got hurt. Um, 1206 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: And so we kind of we kind of limped along 1207 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, through the season. And I 1208 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: remember we had to win our last two games just 1209 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to get in. But then we 1210 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: also needed some help. So what was crazy is that? Um, 1211 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember that punt return 1212 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,560 Speaker 1: that de Sean Jackson ran back against Jackson. Yeah, we 1213 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: we needed them to win that game and they won 1214 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 1: the game. Of course, we had to win our two, 1215 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,919 Speaker 1: but in that pump return was fucking it. He took 1216 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: off and yeah, you know, so I mean this this 1217 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: this game is crazy that way, and so we kind 1218 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: of we kind of you know, but we go in. 1219 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 1: We lived through the season, but we go into the 1220 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 1: playoffs hot because we beat we had to beat New York, 1221 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: we had to beat Chicago, and then we're the road team, 1222 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: were the sixth seed. But our confidence at that point 1223 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: was so high. It was so high, man, we knew 1224 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: it didn't matter what we just said to ourselves. Man, 1225 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: if they let us in, it's home and we we 1226 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 1: we we ran through that thing. Man. So what was 1227 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: it like to finally be able to call yourself as 1228 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: a super Bowl champion after you know, thinking you're gonna 1229 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 1: get it the first time, it doesn't go your way 1230 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: the same time around the chart? Yeah, you know, I 1231 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: got a tattoo man after that man with the Lombardi 1232 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: Trophy that says my rightful place in history. That's that's 1233 00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: that's how I feel about that. You know, I just 1234 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: I could never accept, you know, just like I mentioned 1235 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: college that I couldn't win. I couldn't leave without a championship. 1236 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't play the NFL. I couldn't play my career 1237 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 1: man and not have a championship. I just I would 1238 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: have never accepted the fact that I played how many 1239 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: other years and never got to the show and win 1240 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: it like that would have been that would have been unacceptable, 1241 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 1: you know. So um to finally you know, be able 1242 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 1: to hold up the Lombardi Trophy man and get that win, Man, 1243 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 1: that was everything. Two thousand and eleven, Aaron Rodgers goes crazy. 1244 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 1: You guys go fifteen and one. He thought forty five 1245 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: touchdowns only six picks yards. As a someone who played 1246 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: offense early in your career, what was it like to 1247 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: be able to sit back and just watch this dude 1248 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: every single day do what he did. It's a monster, man, 1249 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,919 Speaker 1: He's a monster. I think I think it was. It's. 1250 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:54,560 Speaker 1: Um it's one of those things where for our team 1251 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 1: we became too reliable on that. Um. I think that 1252 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,480 Speaker 1: I think the our our staff even did that, you know, 1253 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: as far as not bringing in you know, some proper, 1254 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: proper pieces defensively to keep up, but what he was 1255 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,480 Speaker 1: doing offensively. So we always felt like, you know, for 1256 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: us on our end, if things weren't going well, all right, 1257 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: we got a rod He's gonna bring it home. But 1258 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, after a while, man, that that that that 1259 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: wears off and when you talk about that year he 1260 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,919 Speaker 1: goes off, right, we still get to the to the 1261 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 1: game against the Giants and they're they're the Giants are 1262 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: again and they beat us again on their way to 1263 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,760 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. So but but sitting back and being 1264 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: able to watch him, man, it's it's like art. It's 1265 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 1: an art for man, it's watching art, you know, watching 1266 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 1: him be able to just you know, paint all over 1267 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: that field. Man. I love watching that dude play. Two 1268 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,880 Speaker 1: twelve was your last year in Green Bay, back to 1269 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the Raiders. What took you back back to the Bay? Man, Yeah, 1270 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: back to the Bay. It was a homecoming. You know. 1271 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I left there. Never really talked to anybody in the organization. 1272 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: It was just it was like it was it was over. 1273 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: It was done. And so when when that offseason came around, 1274 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm a free agent, you know, I took I went 1275 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 1: out to Denver, went out to San Francisco, went out 1276 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: to Denver. I really thought I would actually sign with 1277 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,000 Speaker 1: one of those teams because I was trying to get signed, man, 1278 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: get myself ready to play, and it didn't happen. And 1279 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 1: then I remember Zach Crockett Zach was working for the Raiders. 1280 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 1: Zach called me, he said, hey, Man, come on home. 1281 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 1: I was like, what you're talking about, was Zach? He's like, Man, 1282 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 1: come on home, Man, you need to come on out here. 1283 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: Signed back and I was like, um okay. My wheels 1284 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 1: started turning, and so then uh set up the visit 1285 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 1: man and I got out there, Man and and Raider 1286 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,520 Speaker 1: fans that were sitting outside the facility man all day 1287 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 1: waiting for me to get Yeah, it was crazy. It 1288 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: was crazy. That's that's why the players it was. It 1289 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: was crazy love. Man and I got out and I 1290 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,920 Speaker 1: just remember people saying, Man, hey, man, see what we 1291 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 1: you know the social media, we're staying outside. Uh, and 1292 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: you ain't leaving without signing and the man, and I'll 1293 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: be damn man if I didn't, if I didn't get 1294 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: a deal done with those guys man and signed with 1295 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the Raiders. So it was it was it was special, man, 1296 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,960 Speaker 1: because I didn't know how. I didn't know how the 1297 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: fans were gonna take it, the news that I was 1298 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: coming back out there, none of that. I had no 1299 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,000 Speaker 1: clue because I hadn't really I hadn't had that interaction. 1300 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: And when I when when that happened. Man, my my 1301 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,360 Speaker 1: my blood was boiling. Man, I was it was like, man, 1302 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,600 Speaker 1: this this is this, this feels good, you know what 1303 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, obviously it didn't help to be oxen 1304 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: in a little bit warmer weather to you know it 1305 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,560 Speaker 1: getting you know it. So when you think about it, man, 1306 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: eighteen years in the NFL. Eleven of those eighteen years, 1307 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: you played all sixteen games. When did you know it 1308 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: was time? Did your body start breaking down? Did your 1309 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: mind start wondering? When did you know it was time 1310 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: for me to hang it up? So my last year, 1311 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 1: the first game to see reason, uh, dislocated my shoulder 1312 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 1: and then the third game of the season, I was 1313 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 1: sustained a grade to mc L. So every every week 1314 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: from then on, from the first game of the season, 1315 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: I was fighting mentally to get myself, you know, ready 1316 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 1: mentally to play the game of football. So so going 1317 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,280 Speaker 1: out there trying to practice, trying to hobble around, you know. 1318 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,320 Speaker 1: Of course they took care of me that they weren't 1319 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 1: gonna make me practice the whole time. Uh, Jack del 1320 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: Rio was the coach. They made sure that I could 1321 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: I could go in and you know, come out for 1322 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: walk throughs. Going to the training facilities and do whatever 1323 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,920 Speaker 1: I needed to do to get myself ready. But every 1324 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: every day mentally was a struggle because I was in pain. 1325 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Man um. I had a physical therapist that I had 1326 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 1: never used one, like a therapist, you know, for that 1327 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 1: consistently my whole career. But my last year I used 1328 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,720 Speaker 1: the physical therapist and that really got me through. But 1329 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,120 Speaker 1: one morning I woke up in Detroit and uh, I said, man, 1330 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to play no more. And it was 1331 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,480 Speaker 1: like the tenth game of the season. It was November 1332 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: fift I believe, two thousand fifteen, and uh, I just 1333 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: I looked out the window was snowing, and I was like, man, 1334 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,400 Speaker 1: if they called the game right now, I'd be the 1335 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,840 Speaker 1: happiest man in the world. And that's what I knew. 1336 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: I knew right there, and I was like, it's over. 1337 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: And so I ended up playing I think six more games, 1338 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: and I was really in crews control, you know. I 1339 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 1: was just I was just I was playing the game 1340 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,320 Speaker 1: because I played it for so long. But I was 1341 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,200 Speaker 1: but I was done. I was I was done. So 1342 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,320 Speaker 1: I played six games retired, you know what I mean. Uh, 1343 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 1: But but that was that was it. That was the moment. Man, 1344 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I remember it like it was yesterday. People don't know 1345 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,360 Speaker 1: and if you mentally not there, that's when it starts 1346 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,080 Speaker 1: getting dangerou, especially in your sport. Yeah. Yeah, so you transition. 1347 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: How did broadcasting come about? It kind of fell on 1348 01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: me in Jack's lap. It was something that we didn't 1349 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,680 Speaker 1: really think about, and all of a sudden, Oh, you 1350 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: guys are good at this. How did it happen? Uh? 1351 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,720 Speaker 1: In your path? Well? What what? What I didn't know 1352 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,680 Speaker 1: is that you know, networks, they they're looking for they're 1353 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,600 Speaker 1: looking for guys, you know, so they they were probably 1354 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: looking for you, but you don't know they're looking for you, right, 1355 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,600 Speaker 1: So you know, there were some articles that came out 1356 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: that hey, man, this these are the guys that may 1357 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 1: be good on television, and I was like, man, you know, 1358 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,800 Speaker 1: I've never even talked to anybody about that, you know. Um, 1359 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: So then we started. I got an agent, We started 1360 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 1: talking to uh, some of the different networks, man, and 1361 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,000 Speaker 1: had a couple of meetings, and then all of a sudden, 1362 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: before you know it, right after that season, man, I 1363 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 1: was signed to ESPN and I was working you know, 1364 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 1: I signed a three year deal with ESPN. And working 1365 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: for the Wide World Leader in sports Man, it was 1366 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,280 Speaker 1: crazy like it was. It's kind of like you guys, 1367 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,920 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have a clue. That was it. 1368 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 1: So next chapter it looks like it's been pretty fun. 1369 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: You're currently working for Fox Sports, doing a bunch of 1370 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 1: different shows, working with the NFL. UM you also have 1371 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,280 Speaker 1: some outside interest. Um, how did you get into wine 1372 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,960 Speaker 1: in spirits? Yeah? I got in the wine man from 1373 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: my time out in UH with the Raiders, you know, 1374 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the training campus in Napa Valley. So I just started 1375 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 1: drinking wine, you know, while I was out there man, 1376 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,320 Speaker 1: and decided, Man, yeah, I want to I want to 1377 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,320 Speaker 1: be a part of this, you know, long term. And 1378 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: so I started my own label back in two thousand 1379 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,120 Speaker 1: and five, UH with with with friend of mine out 1380 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,560 Speaker 1: there in Nappa Um. And so we started this label 1381 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,000 Speaker 1: called you know by Charles Woodson UM. So we did 1382 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 1: that for for extended period period of time, and then 1383 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,160 Speaker 1: about a year ago, I teamed up partner with a 1384 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: supplier out of Passo Robles and so that's the wine 1385 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I have now, which you guys have, which is to intercept, 1386 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm not much of a wine guy, but I am 1387 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: a with yes, so I appreciate. Yeah, I'm gonna go 1388 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and take a shot to your 1389 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: honor on camera on a ship. Hey, I'm I'm a 1390 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: wine guy. And if y'all, if y'all ever come up 1391 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,280 Speaker 1: with some ports, I'm a port drinker, man, send me 1392 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: a porter, all right, we'll do that. Hey, I'm gonna 1393 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,400 Speaker 1: drink mine out of glad. I see how you doing it. 1394 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: I like how you do it straight at the bottom. 1395 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't got I don't got real sophisticated in my 1396 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,440 Speaker 1: old age. So he just put yours as you put 1397 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: your pinky as as long as you put your pinky 1398 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:20,640 Speaker 1: up while you drinking that, you're good. Nice that smooth though, smoothy. 1399 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm definitely a whiskey guy. Opened up the box last night. 1400 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hell, yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah. So man, 1401 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,240 Speaker 1: I started I started this, Um, I started this deal 1402 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: earlier earlier, right, And so we had our first release 1403 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,080 Speaker 1: about about a month ago, man, and it's uh really 1404 01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,920 Speaker 1: well man. People are really enjoying it, and uh, I'm 1405 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,720 Speaker 1: just I'm just happy man, proud of it. Man. This 1406 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: is this is this is my thing. So we got 1407 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 1: the wine we got the bourbon. Who knows what's next? Well, 1408 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: you got my address though, So whenever you feel like 1409 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,200 Speaker 1: some whiskey bottles out the Cali baby, I'm gonna make 1410 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,600 Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna rink au love it. What kind of 1411 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,160 Speaker 1: lasting impact you're looking to make with this company we're 1412 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,320 Speaker 1: being with Spirits first of all. You know, for me, 1413 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you're out all the time, you know, 1414 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,960 Speaker 1: you see you know a lot of different uh wine lists, 1415 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and you know there's always some staples that people have 1416 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 1: on on wine list. You know there's always a Mandavi, 1417 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: always gonna be a kaymist Um. I want to be 1418 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: in that mix somehow, you know. I want you to 1419 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,120 Speaker 1: be able to go, you know, somewhere in l A 1420 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,960 Speaker 1: wherever you guys at, and I want you to look 1421 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 1: on go to you know, three or four different restaurants 1422 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and you see intercept on those lists. That's that's what 1423 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: we're trying to move to. Bah, you know what I'm saying. 1424 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 1: And so we're in We're in forty five states now, 1425 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,080 Speaker 1: um looking at being all fifty. But I want to 1426 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,639 Speaker 1: be that. I want to be that staple. I want 1427 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 1: to be that household uh name. I want people to 1428 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 1: know intercept. So that's what I'm looking to do. Best 1429 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,800 Speaker 1: of luck with that. Tell me what it means to you. 1430 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,840 Speaker 1: You've obviously had, you know, the privilege of playing in 1431 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 1: the NFL for eighteen years, but you're a black business owner. 1432 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,320 Speaker 1: How important is that to you? And what kind of 1433 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,360 Speaker 1: pride does that bring when someone mentions that to you? Yeah, 1434 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,680 Speaker 1: very proud. And I think it's more so um to me, 1435 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,559 Speaker 1: a big deal just because you know, you play in 1436 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,920 Speaker 1: the NFL, and you know, people put you in that box, 1437 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so for me to 1438 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: be in you know, first you know, the wine business 1439 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and then now into bourbon, you know, you just break 1440 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: all of those stereotypes. You just kick out of it, 1441 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, you kick out of all those boxes. You 1442 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You make your own way. And 1443 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 1: I think that and I think that's what it's all about. 1444 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,080 Speaker 1: And I think what it also does, man, is it 1445 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,280 Speaker 1: gives you know, young you know, young kids, young African 1446 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: African American kids. You know that site of hey, man, 1447 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,120 Speaker 1: here's a black business owner, man doing something that people 1448 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,599 Speaker 1: probably didn't expect him to be doing. Man, I could 1449 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: do it too, you know, man, And I got you 1450 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,920 Speaker 1: gotta see it, see it to believe it. So that's 1451 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,880 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Transitioning now to the NBA. 1452 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Do you watch teams players? If so, who are some 1453 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,160 Speaker 1: of your favorites? Yeah, mainly, Uh, I don't really have 1454 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 1: a team, so you know, it's it's players that I 1455 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,559 Speaker 1: that I usually watch. Um, of course, you know you 1456 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 1: gotta watch Lebron. It's hard not to watch, you know, greatness, 1457 01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, living legend in the game. Um, young kid 1458 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,439 Speaker 1: John Morant. You know what I'm saying, is a special kid. Man. 1459 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: I know he was dealing with the injury, but a 1460 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: special player. And then of course, man, you know, it's hard. 1461 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,160 Speaker 1: It's hard not to watch, you know, k D and 1462 01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: his comeback and watching him come out for injury, still 1463 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: out there, lightning up shot a shot shot, shot is 1464 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 1: still as smooth as ever, and I like, I like 1465 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,200 Speaker 1: stuff out here. Man. You know, people was trying to 1466 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,240 Speaker 1: criticize him, how he's gonna do it with no help, 1467 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,679 Speaker 1: and then he comes back, man and shoots the lights 1468 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 1: out on the team. Man, So I love that. Man. 1469 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on a on the current NBA versus 1470 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,599 Speaker 1: the NBA when you was growing up. It's just different 1471 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: as far as you know, I grew up watching you know, 1472 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 1: we watched that documentary documentary with Jordan's and the Bad 1473 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Boys and and how physical the game was back in 1474 01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,599 Speaker 1: the day and what you could get away with, you know, 1475 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,799 Speaker 1: on on the court. Um, that's that's a big difference 1476 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: as far as that's concerned. And then also you know, 1477 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 1: if you're big, you don't see you don't see no 1478 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,240 Speaker 1: Patrick Ewings no more. You know, down there on the block. 1479 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,880 Speaker 1: If you Patrick, if you're a Patrick Ewing and you 1480 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 1: can't step outside on on the three point line in 1481 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 1: that little corner and and not and not knocked down 1482 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,880 Speaker 1: that corner, three, man, you might well grab that clipboard 1483 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,160 Speaker 1: because you you can't. You can't be on the field 1484 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,519 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have to guard You're gonna have to 1485 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,799 Speaker 1: guard another big out there on on on the perimeter somewhere. 1486 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,920 Speaker 1: And if you can't shoot it, hey man, you're gonna 1487 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,519 Speaker 1: go ahead and get it. Start your coach, start your 1488 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,280 Speaker 1: coaching career early world. You know, I got the I 1489 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,680 Speaker 1: coached my twins down there twelve. We travel on the 1490 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,720 Speaker 1: country and playing and that's everything I'm teaching them as 1491 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,640 Speaker 1: basketball players. It's almost become position list just for the 1492 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 1: reason you said there's not there's probably two centers, three maybe, 1493 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,400 Speaker 1: but that you could throw the ball down and get 1494 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,080 Speaker 1: a buck too and be joker. And I'm gonna have 1495 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,679 Speaker 1: a hard time naming that third. But that that that 1496 01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,400 Speaker 1: that that game has kind of gone now, you know. 1497 01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 1: So now everything is more free flowing. Everyone's life size 1498 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,600 Speaker 1: and you've gotta be able to do a little bit 1499 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: of everything. So the game is definitely changed, um similar 1500 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,519 Speaker 1: to how football has changed. I mean, like it doesn't 1501 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,720 Speaker 1: really seem like they get hit no more. And in 1502 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: the NBA, you can't touch no more, you know what 1503 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,639 Speaker 1: I means. So I think obviously it's it's in your 1504 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,439 Speaker 1: game is for player's safety, but it's it's for the 1505 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,799 Speaker 1: advantage of the offense. They want to see more scoring, 1506 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 1: they want to see more points, they want to see 1507 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,200 Speaker 1: more touchdowns in the NFL, So it's really kind of 1508 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 1: changed over the years. And you know, obviously we were 1509 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,679 Speaker 1: lucky enough, all three of us to kind of get 1510 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 1: the old ship and transition into what the new game 1511 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,519 Speaker 1: looks like for both of our respective sports. Yeah, no doubt. 1512 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I give the NFL props for you know, 1513 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,879 Speaker 1: are they are trying to, you know, put in measures 1514 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,720 Speaker 1: to protect the guys. You know certainly understand that. And 1515 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, coming in when I came 1516 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,479 Speaker 1: came in and then being able to see kind of 1517 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,840 Speaker 1: the other side. I remember my last couple of years 1518 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,240 Speaker 1: and opening before I sustained those injuries, I was like, man, 1519 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 1: with the way they're doing training camp now and no 1520 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,679 Speaker 1: practices and no past, and I probably complained another five easy, easy, 1521 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. What are your thoughts though? 1522 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I always want to know your thoughts of it as 1523 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,000 Speaker 1: it because I think you guys obviously have to adjust 1524 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: the most, and it almost seems like you guys would 1525 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,799 Speaker 1: some I've seen some guys hurt themselves trying to stay 1526 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,400 Speaker 1: safe from hurting from hitting a receiver or hitting a 1527 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,880 Speaker 1: running back because you know, you can't really hit like 1528 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,320 Speaker 1: you used to hit, so from from from a defensive 1529 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: player's mentality, what what are your thoughts on that? I 1530 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,720 Speaker 1: think what ends up happening sometimes is that guys end 1531 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,800 Speaker 1: up missing plays right because you're you're running, you know, 1532 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,880 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen miles an hour, you know, going to make 1533 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,560 Speaker 1: a play and make a hit and then all of 1534 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: a sudden in the in the instant, you're trying to think, wait, 1535 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,640 Speaker 1: how do I hit him? Uh? If I if I 1536 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,880 Speaker 1: hit him here? You know, look so these fines ain't 1537 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,639 Speaker 1: ain't chief fines and they find a guy's thirty forty thousand, 1538 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 1: So I mean, you out there, you know, sometimes that 1539 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,280 Speaker 1: crosses your mind. And I remember one guy. I remember 1540 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,160 Speaker 1: a guy had a quarterback in his grass. You know, 1541 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,519 Speaker 1: he's getting ready to throw him down and he's waiting 1542 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,320 Speaker 1: for the whistle. He let him go quarterback Ryan for 1543 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 1: the for the first time, I think. I think it 1544 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 1: was Green Band and the and the Vikings, I think 1545 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,120 Speaker 1: it was. And it was like, man, he's thinking about 1546 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,599 Speaker 1: not getting the penalty. Yeah, he let and the guy 1547 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,519 Speaker 1: the quarterback end of running for the first down. So 1548 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: you're running all of these things are running running through 1549 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: your mind. Why are you playing the game instead of 1550 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,320 Speaker 1: just playing the game? And sometimes I think that does 1551 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: hurt guys. All right, man, well this has been a 1552 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,200 Speaker 1: great interview so far. We're coming down the stretch right 1553 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,559 Speaker 1: here with quick hitter's first name to come to mind. 1554 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,439 Speaker 1: Spit it out, so toughest receiver you ever had to 1555 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:36,760 Speaker 1: match up with Marvin Harrison. Oh, starving Marvin, one of 1556 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,800 Speaker 1: the great NFL player You wish you could have played with? 1557 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,559 Speaker 1: I wish I could have played with Barry Sanders. Oh 1558 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,479 Speaker 1: great call, great call. Uh, scariest quarterback you had to 1559 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: go up against. Is not the right world, but just 1560 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:03,519 Speaker 1: just a bad motherfucker, Brady understandable. Three songs on your 1561 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 1: pregame playlist. I'll go all eyes on me. Uh jay 1562 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 1: Z had a song called two two's, I probably would 1563 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,800 Speaker 1: have had uh rd and dirty you g K. Yes, 1564 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,080 Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. You can't go wrong 1565 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: with that on yes, sir. Uh. Five dinner guests that 1566 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: are alive Jesus, Leonardo Da Vin Uh Da vinci Um, 1567 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:48,599 Speaker 1: Barack Obama, Martin Luther King. Hm, what's that for? That's four? 1568 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 1: That's four, Muhammad Ali? Are you gonna learn something at 1569 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:59,000 Speaker 1: that down? Yeah, you don't learn. Jesus, you're not gonna 1570 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,240 Speaker 1: be the same leaving that done a board man. I 1571 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: want to ease drop on that you're gonna learn today. Alright, 1572 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,680 Speaker 1: final question, your answer. You have to help us with 1573 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,000 Speaker 1: your answer to this question. All right, who do you 1574 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,160 Speaker 1: want to see on all the smoke? Who do I 1575 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: want to see on All the Smoke. Stacy Abrams may 1576 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 1: have been trying to get on the show too. May 1577 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 1: have been trying to get on the show here. Yeah, 1578 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,160 Speaker 1: that's a good call. Hey man, seawood Man, thank you 1579 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:28,760 Speaker 1: for your time. It was an honor to be able 1580 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,360 Speaker 1: to sit down with you today. Man, we appreciate it. 1581 01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, you got my address. I'm always ready 1582 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,439 Speaker 1: for that whiskey whenever and the best of luck man 1583 01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:44,519 Speaker 1: with life after. Appreciate it, man, get that whiskey. Dot 1584 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,920 Speaker 1: com is right now. I'm opposed to wine. I'm opposed 1585 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:54,880 Speaker 1: to wine. That is Hey, that's a rap man. I 1586 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,400 Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed another episode of All the Smoke. 1587 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,960 Speaker 1: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, the I 1588 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: Heart Platform, and The Black Effects. See y'all next week. 1589 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,080 Speaker 1: This is All a Smoke, a production of The Black 1590 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime