Speaker 1: There's no secret that states like California have turned into
Speaker 1: left wing dystopia's So why not leave? Why are Republicans
Speaker 1: or even independents staying. They have to deal with crime,
Speaker 1: they have to deal with wope, nonsense, they have to
Speaker 1: deal with homelessness, a variety of issues that they're facing
Speaker 1: as a result of left wing policies driven by Governor
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: So why not leave?
Speaker 1: We'll talk to one man who wrote a book about
Speaker 1: trying to save California. He's out with a new book
Speaker 1: called Asgo's California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State
Speaker 1: and save the nation. He also decided to challenge Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom in the twenty twenty one recall. His name is
Speaker 1: Larry Elder.
Speaker 2: You know him.
Speaker 1: He's a radio host, best selling author, and commentator. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk to him about his decision to stay
Speaker 1: in California, Why he's doing it, Does he really think
Speaker 1: there's even the potential of change there. We'll also get
Speaker 1: into a whole host of other issues. He's also decided
Speaker 1: to throw his name in the hat for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four presidential race. We'll get into that and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other issues that are just plaguing the nation.
Speaker 1: Don't miss this interview with Larry Elder. Larry Elder, It's
Speaker 1: an honor to have you on the show. I've not
Speaker 1: had you on I don't think. I don't even know
Speaker 1: have we met. I don't know if we've met in person.
Speaker 1: I've followed your work. I obviously know who you are.
Speaker 1: I follow you on Twitter. It's an honor to have
Speaker 1: you on the show.
Speaker 3: We've not met in person, but you know I followed
Speaker 3: you as well. Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to change that. I hope to meet
Speaker 2: you in person someday.
Speaker 3: Really pretty charming, Lisa. It'll be a treat.
Speaker 1: That's you know what, Larry, That is what I've heard.
Speaker 1: So I've only heard great things about you. So, you know, Larry,
Speaker 1: we look at you know. I left New York right.
Speaker 1: I was in New York for three years and left
Speaker 1: during COVID. Just saw the direction things were going in
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I might still have to
Speaker 1: go up for work unfortunately, but I live in Florida.
Speaker 1: Now you're still in California. You know, why not just leave?
Speaker 3: Well, this is my hometown. I was born here. My
Speaker 3: father came here right before the war World War two,
Speaker 3: and then when the war was over, he was in
Speaker 3: the military, he was in the Marines. He came out
Speaker 3: here because he thought it was less racist in the South,
Speaker 3: which is where he's from. So all my roots are here,
Speaker 3: my pastor is here, my friends are here, and I'm
Speaker 3: one of those who feels Lisa at some point like
Speaker 3: a drug addict. The voters are going to hit rock
Speaker 3: bottom and begin to rethink how they've been voting. Democrats
Speaker 3: have controlled this state forever. We've got supermajorities of Democrats
Speaker 3: in the Assembly and in the Senate, the two chambers
Speaker 3: of our legislature, and they passed one job killing bill
Speaker 3: after another, one brain dead bill after another, and then
Speaker 3: we have a left wing governor who signs them. We've
Speaker 3: got crime, we've got a homelessness problem. Our schools are
Speaker 3: right near the bottom of all fifty states. People are
Speaker 3: leaving the state for the first time in one hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy years. The average price of a home in
Speaker 3: California is one hundred and seventy five percent above the
Speaker 3: national average. We have poor fire management, poor water management.
Speaker 3: At some point, you think that the voters are going
Speaker 3: to say uncle, but they don't. But sooner or later
Speaker 3: they've got to. We've got a we've gone from one
Speaker 3: hundred billion dollar budget surplus that gavinknews and bragged about
Speaker 3: now to about a thirty billion dollar government deficit and
Speaker 3: we have, wait for it, a one point five trillion
Speaker 3: dollar underfunded pension liability. So sooner or later, the voters
Speaker 3: are going to have to rethink their assumptions. And I hope,
Speaker 3: I hope, I still I hope I'm around when that happens.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean laying that all out, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's bad, you know, I mean, you see you know videos,
Speaker 1: it just looks like a dystopia. You've got, you know,
Speaker 1: homeless people walking around doing drugs in the middle of
Speaker 1: the streets, pooping in the middle of the streets.
Speaker 2: So it's like, what does rock Bottom look like?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I was just reading today
Speaker 3: in the La Times had a front page article about
Speaker 3: what the new mayor is doing to solve the homelessness problem.
Speaker 3: And what she's done is she's offered them somewhere to go,
Speaker 3: and if they don't go, you can't force them. So
Speaker 3: until and unless voters have come to the point where
Speaker 3: you are not going to be on the streets. Either
Speaker 3: you're going to jail, or you're going to go to
Speaker 3: a bed that we have somewhere, or are you going
Speaker 3: to go to rehab one of the three. But you
Speaker 3: will not be allowed to remain on the streets until
Speaker 3: the voters are ready to do that, and until the
Speaker 3: courts are ready to enforce those laws that require them
Speaker 3: to do one of those three things. We're going to
Speaker 3: have these problems. And again, sooner or later, it's going
Speaker 3: to get so bad that I believe the voters are
Speaker 3: going to begin to rethink their assumptions.
Speaker 1: When did you start seeing the state take a nose dive?
Speaker 1: But I imagine COVID the state's response to COVID know
Speaker 1: led to a lot of the downturn that we're seeing now.
Speaker 3: It accelerated it, certainly, but no, it's been bad for
Speaker 3: a long time. We spend half of our budget goes
Speaker 3: to the schools K through twelve, and again, as I mentioned,
Speaker 3: they're near the bottom. Seventy five percent of black boys
Speaker 3: in California can neither read nor do math at grade level.
Speaker 3: And then, of course COVID can along and Gavin Newsom
Speaker 3: shut down the state in a more severe way than
Speaker 3: did any of the other forty nine governors. A third
Speaker 3: of all restaurants, many of them are owned by mom
Speaker 3: and poppers who are black and brown. The very people
Speaker 3: that people on the left claim that they care about
Speaker 3: are now gone forever. We have rising crime in La
Speaker 3: rising crime in the Bay Area, rising crime in San Diego,
Speaker 3: all because of the soft on crime das, all of
Speaker 3: whom Gavin Newsom is either publicly supported or, in the
Speaker 3: case of George Gasco in the soft on crime DA
Speaker 3: of La County. He appointed him to the DA's job
Speaker 3: in the Bay Area, and then Gascon comes down here
Speaker 3: and runs to get selected. So things are getting worse
Speaker 3: and worse and worse. In my opinion, we've lost about
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand people in California in the last three
Speaker 3: or four years, and Gavin Newsom is running around the
Speaker 3: country thinking that someday he's going to become president. It's outrageous. Again.
Speaker 3: I think that sooner or later the voters have to
Speaker 3: begin to rethink their assumptions. I just hope i'm around
Speaker 3: when they begin to do so.
Speaker 1: I really don't think enough can be said about just
Speaker 1: the damage these Sorow supported das have done in so
Speaker 1: many places around the country. I mean, it really is
Speaker 1: just devastating how much wreckage one man has done in America.
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, and that's one of my campaign issues
Speaker 3: when I decided to run for president. That's one of
Speaker 3: the things I'm going to be talking about. One of
Speaker 3: the first things I'm going to do when I get
Speaker 3: to the White House. Lisa assigned an executive order that
Speaker 3: cuts off the money to these counties where the soft
Speaker 3: on crime das exists, federal money because the number one
Speaker 3: responsibility of government is to protect people in property and
Speaker 3: they're not doing it. One of the things I'm proposing
Speaker 3: in Iowa, Iowa was the first contest the caucus is
Speaker 3: going to be late January early February, is I'm proposing
Speaker 3: to the Iowa legislature that they set up a commission,
Speaker 3: as they've done in Georgia, mostly of judges, so that
Speaker 3: when you have these soft on crime das, and they've
Speaker 3: got one in de Wine, Iowa who's not doing the job,
Speaker 3: that DA can be recalled. Again. This is just and again,
Speaker 3: the people that are most hurt by all police are
Speaker 3: the very black and brown people that people on the
Speaker 3: left purport to care about. This lie that the police
Speaker 3: are engaging in systemic racism is causing the police to
Speaker 3: pull back. It's called the Ferguson effect or the George
Speaker 3: Floyd effect. And there are hundreds, if not thousands, of
Speaker 3: what one researcher calls excess deaths, in other words, people
Speaker 3: who are dead who wouldn't be dead if the police
Speaker 3: were doing their normal proactive policing. And again, the majority
Speaker 3: of these people who are now dead are the black
Speaker 3: and brown people that people on the left claim that
Speaker 3: they care about.
Speaker 1: Well, it has just been distorted into such a lie
Speaker 1: or just the racial dynamics play such a strong role
Speaker 1: in the narrative of these things. I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at the Jordan Neely Daniel Penny situation. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: if Daniel Penny wasn't white, I really don't think it
Speaker 1: would have gotten the kind of attention it has, or
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be getting the kind of criticism he's gotten.
Speaker 2: To be honest, well.
Speaker 3: I agree, and that's what the left, the media of
Speaker 3: the Democrats to do. They push this argument that America
Speaker 3: is systemically racist. The reason they do it is because
Speaker 3: they want black voters to be angry, they'll vote ninety
Speaker 3: ninety five percent for the Democratic Party. That's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons I'm running to refute this lie that America
Speaker 3: is systemically racist. The other reason I'm running is because
Speaker 3: we don't talk about the ten thousand pound elephant in
Speaker 3: the room, Lisa, and that is the epidemic of fatherlessness.
Speaker 3: Seventy percent of black kids into the world without a
Speaker 3: father in the home, married to the mother, and the
Speaker 3: odds are that when you are raised without a father,
Speaker 3: a much higher chance of being poor, of dropping out
Speaker 3: of school, of ending up in jail. And we don't
Speaker 3: talk enough about the fact that the welfare state has
Speaker 3: over the last fifty to sixty years, incentivized women to
Speaker 3: marry the government and incentivize men to abandon their financial
Speaker 3: and more responsibility. And that's one of the reasons I'm
Speaker 3: running and asking people to go to Elder for President
Speaker 3: dot com throw something in the tip jar so I
Speaker 3: get on that debate stage in Milwaukee, Lisa, and say
Speaker 3: some of the things to the country that I've said
Speaker 3: to you. I've got to raise forty I've got to
Speaker 3: get donation from forty thousand individuals and two hundred out
Speaker 3: of each of twenty states in order to qualify that
Speaker 3: first debate. And once I get up there, as far
Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, it's game on. Hold my beer, Hold
Speaker 3: my beer.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, I do think the fatherlessness
Speaker 1: is a huge issue. I'm glad that you know you
Speaker 1: brought that up, and it is just so important. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really think about the Left wants
Speaker 1: women to be married to the government, right, they don't
Speaker 1: want fathers. I really don't believe the left one's fathers involved,
Speaker 1: because they want people who are beholden to the government.
Speaker 1: And so they're trying to dismantle you know, family, dismantle faith,
Speaker 1: dismantle anything that gives you roots. They want you susceptible
Speaker 1: to needing the government, and you know, being dependent on
Speaker 1: the government.
Speaker 3: Whether that's their intent or whether it's the effect, it
Speaker 3: really doesn't matter. The effect is to make people more
Speaker 3: dependent upon government. The La Times, I think was in
Speaker 3: the mid eighties, did a poll of people who were
Speaker 3: poor and ask them whether welfare was an intermediate step
Speaker 3: to get you to a state of independence or whether
Speaker 3: it was a crutch that made you dependent on the
Speaker 3: government more of them, Lisa, it was a crutch that
Speaker 3: made you dependent, than said it was an intermediary, a
Speaker 3: step to get you to become independent. So people who
Speaker 3: are on welfare are aware that it's a trap. Even
Speaker 3: FDR who launched the New Deal, even he referred to
Speaker 3: welfare as a quote subtle, narcotic, close quote that makes
Speaker 3: people dependent. So it's not a good idea, and we
Speaker 3: need to be rethinking that. And one of the things
Speaker 3: I'm proposing is that the money that we spend for welfare,
Speaker 3: individuals should be able to on their tax returns donate
Speaker 3: where they want that money to go, more likely churches
Speaker 3: and other nonprofits in their own area, where they're more
Speaker 3: likely to be able to help the people and be
Speaker 3: able to change people's behavior and habits so they become independent. Again,
Speaker 3: this is a really, really big issue that our side
Speaker 3: does not talk enough about. You know, at least I
Speaker 3: know that the polls show that most Republicans and those
Speaker 3: who are leaning Republican support Donald Trump in the primary.
Speaker 3: And he did a great job as president against huge,
Speaker 3: huge headwinds from his own party often and I love
Speaker 3: what he did as president, but I fear that he
Speaker 3: cannot win in the general not for reasons that are
Speaker 3: fair to him. There's something called Trump arrangement syndrome, and
Speaker 3: maybe someday they'll develop a vaccine for it. But until then,
Speaker 3: if you've lost friends because of Donald Trump, if you
Speaker 3: can't talk to coworkers because of Donald Trump, if you
Speaker 3: have a strained relationship with your family members because of
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, Houston, We've got a problem. And that problem
Speaker 3: is that there are a lot of people in this country,
Speaker 3: swing voters, particularly suburban women, who would not vote for
Speaker 3: forty five if he walked on water. In fact, if
Speaker 3: he did, they say he can't swim. So, if that's
Speaker 3: your analysis, and that's my analysis, you need somebody who's
Speaker 3: got the America First agenda on borders, on judges, school choice,
Speaker 3: on the economy, but for whom a sufficient number of
Speaker 3: swing voters can pull that lever for that person. And
Speaker 3: if that's your analysis and that's my analysis, then I'm
Speaker 3: your man.
Speaker 1: What did you learn about Gavin Newsome running against him
Speaker 1: in the recall?
Speaker 3: I learned that he does not want a debate. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of pressure on need to debate my
Speaker 3: fellow Republicans. I did not because I figured we'd be
Speaker 3: in a circular firing squad and all they would do
Speaker 3: is use the audio and the sound and hit ads.
Speaker 3: And every time I was asked to debate my fellow Republicans,
Speaker 3: I said, the person I wanted to debate is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is not the problem. The fellow Republicans are
Speaker 3: not the problem. We pretty much all know what the
Speaker 3: problems are. The problem is Gavin Newsom. And what I
Speaker 3: learned is that he was too cowardly to debate me.
Speaker 3: I got out, spent about eight to one. In came
Speaker 3: the unions, in came Hollywood, in came big Tech, and
Speaker 3: they all said the same thing, Lisa. They said, stop
Speaker 3: the Republican takeover. Nobody said, Gavin Newsom is doing a
Speaker 3: great job on schools, doing a great job on crime,
Speaker 3: doing a great job on the budget, on the cost
Speaker 3: of living, on the fact that people are leaving. They
Speaker 3: all said the same thing, stop Republican takeover. And they
Speaker 3: showed a picture that I once took with Donald Trump
Speaker 3: with both our thumbs up. A million times. I could
Speaker 3: count the ridges on my fingers. They showed it so often.
Speaker 3: Even though Donald Trump did not endorse me, I did
Speaker 3: not seek his endorsement because I wanted it to be
Speaker 3: a California race, but they turned it into a national
Speaker 3: referendum on Donald Trump because that's how they believe they
Speaker 3: can win.
Speaker 2: Is it effective.
Speaker 3: It's effective in California. They tried it in Virginia with
Speaker 3: Terry mccalliff versus Glenn Younkin, and it blew up in
Speaker 3: their faces for a couple of reasons. The first is
Speaker 3: that Terry mccaulliff had a debate his opponent, Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 3: was able to get away without debating me. And secondly,
Speaker 3: the media in Virginia are a lot more fair than
Speaker 3: the media here in California. I was called by the
Speaker 3: La Times wait for it, the black face of white supremacy.
Speaker 3: Another La Time colonists referred to my views as white supremacists.
Speaker 3: When the race was over, I go back to radio
Speaker 3: to finish out my contract and I invited the woman
Speaker 3: they called me the blackface of white supremacy on my
Speaker 3: show to explain why I'm the black face of white supremacy.
Speaker 3: Not too surprisingly, she refused to come on. So the
Speaker 3: media were very unfair. Many of virtually all the newspapers
Speaker 3: in California both opposed the recall, called it anti democratic,
Speaker 3: even though it's in our constitution. And they endorsed and
Speaker 3: reindorsed Gavin Newsom, having endorsed him the first time. So
Speaker 3: that's what I had to run against. And Republicans are
Speaker 3: out numbered in California. Registered Republicans are out numbered by
Speaker 3: non registered Republicans three to one. And again I got
Speaker 3: out spin as I said, and there were campaign finance
Speaker 3: limitations on me. There were no finance limitations at spending
Speaker 3: limitations on Gavin Newsom. So he spent and spent and spent,
Speaker 3: had to spend, by the way, fifty percent more per
Speaker 3: voter to keep his job than he did to get
Speaker 3: his job.
Speaker 1: Do you think he ends up being the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four nominee or who do you think is gonna end
Speaker 1: up being the Democrat nominee?
Speaker 3: No, Lisa, If Joe Biden can fog up a mirror,
Speaker 3: he will be the nominee. If he cannot do it,
Speaker 3: then it will be Kamala Harris. Why because blacks are
Speaker 3: the most loyal part of the Democrat base, and black
Speaker 3: females are even more loyal. I saw poll nearly times
Speaker 3: a few months ago that showed among blacks, Harris had
Speaker 3: his seventy percent approval. It wasn't broken down by gender,
Speaker 3: but I assure you black females like her even more.
Speaker 3: And she is perceived to be as having been dropkicked
Speaker 3: in favor of somebody else, especially in favor of a
Speaker 3: white male like Gavin Newsom or mayor Pete. Black women
Speaker 3: won't vote Republican, but they'll be so angry they won't
Speaker 3: vote at all. Thereby ensuring whoever it is we nominate
Speaker 3: will win, so they can't afford to run that risk.
Speaker 3: And they can put Gavin Newsom on the ticket with her,
Speaker 3: because even he's more radical than she is. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a guy who signed that law that set
Speaker 3: up that reparations panel. He's the guy that is mandating
Speaker 3: an ethnic studies course for everybody who graduates from high school,
Speaker 3: outlawing the sale of new gas powered cars. By twenty
Speaker 3: thirty five, he supported two propositions that reduced a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of crimes to non violent offenses, so that now
Speaker 3: if you assault the police officer, that's a non violent offense.
Speaker 3: Cyrial arson is a non violent offense. Rape of an
Speaker 3: entire cicated a person is a non violent offense, all
Speaker 3: because of measures that Gavin Newsom backed. He's the one
Speaker 3: that mandates if you are a large toy retail store owner,
Speaker 3: you have to have a gender neutral toy section. In
Speaker 3: case your girl wants to buy a soldier or your
Speaker 3: boy wants to buy a doll. They need to have
Speaker 3: a safe space where they can do that. People have
Speaker 3: no idea how radical this guy is, and once they do,
Speaker 3: he'll be rejected. So I don't believe he'll ever be
Speaker 3: the party's nominee, but he thinks he will be.
Speaker 2: I've heard Michelle Obama's name be floated.
Speaker 3: Zero chance. Michelle Obama wants to be liked. As you know,
Speaker 3: once you decide to run for office, forty percent of
Speaker 3: the American people are going to hate your guts, no
Speaker 3: matter what party you are. She doesn't want that any
Speaker 3: more than Oprah fret Winfrey wants that. No, and remember
Speaker 3: how many times Michelle Obama complained about being first Lady.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine her being president and being slammed after
Speaker 3: she takes an issue here or there and being attacked personally.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want that. So the only way you can
Speaker 3: drop kick Kamala Harris is for another popular black female
Speaker 3: who's a Democrat named somebody. We already named the only
Speaker 3: two that could fit those shoes. So no, they're stuck
Speaker 3: with her, and that's why they're trying to rehabilitate her.
Speaker 3: I read the New York Times so you don't have to,
Speaker 3: and I watch a lot of cn in MSNBCA hawk,
Speaker 3: msnb HE hawks, which is what I call it, so
Speaker 3: you don't have to. And all of a sudden, there
Speaker 3: are all these positive stories about Kamala Harris because they've
Speaker 3: got to rehabilitate her. Because even if you vote for
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, you know that you're voting for Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: because he's going to hand over the baton as soon
Speaker 3: as he gets crossed the finishing line. It's just the
Speaker 3: question of when he does so. And depending upon when
Speaker 3: he does so, she could finish out his term and
Speaker 3: then run two more times. So we could almost get
Speaker 3: ten years of Kamala Harris. So that's what's at stake,
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm running.
Speaker 2: You don't think that Michelle would want the power?
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean she you know what. Orthra Clonkite,
Speaker 3: the long term anchor for CBS, once said, I'd love
Speaker 3: to be a senator. I hate to have to run.
Speaker 3: So if you could figure out some sort of way
Speaker 3: of appointing her, I'm sure she loved the job, but
Speaker 3: she wouldn't want to go through what I'm going through,
Speaker 3: being called all sorts of names, having to raise money,
Speaker 3: having to defend yourself, having to debate, have people distort
Speaker 3: your views. She doesn't want that. Politics is a rough, tough,
Speaker 3: ugly business, and being first lady was one thing, and
Speaker 3: that was hard enough. She complained about being first lady
Speaker 3: all the time. I can't imagine that she has a
Speaker 3: personality and the stomach and the requisite thickness of skin
Speaker 3: to be president, to run for presidents.
Speaker 1: Take a quick commercial break more with Larry Elder. You
Speaker 1: talked about some of the things that people said about
Speaker 1: you when you ran. What did you think when you
Speaker 1: read a column that said you are the black face
Speaker 1: of white supremacy? I imagine that that was one a
Speaker 1: little confusing.
Speaker 2: Then two, what the heck?
Speaker 3: You're laughing, Lisa, And that's what I did. I laughed
Speaker 3: at it. I mean, how do you take that seriously?
Speaker 3: Because I'm pro life, because I support strong borders, because
Speaker 3: I support choice in education, because I think America is
Speaker 3: over taxed and overregulated. I'm the black face of white
Speaker 3: supremacy because I denied the lie that America is systemically racist.
Speaker 3: It is not systemically racist. The only majority of white
Speaker 3: country in the world is ever elected a black person
Speaker 3: for president. There's a Harvard sociologist. He's a left wing guy,
Speaker 3: as all sociologists are voted twice for Obama. In the nineties,
Speaker 3: he wrote, Black Americans are the best fed, best house,
Speaker 3: best educated, most prosperous blacks in all of the countries
Speaker 3: of the world, including all of those of Africa. Why
Speaker 3: these posed people as we speak, Lisa, Haitians are lining
Speaker 3: up to get a lottery, to get a shot and
Speaker 3: coming too America because America is systemically racist. Nonsense. The
Speaker 3: three largest cities in America today, New York, La, Chicago
Speaker 3: all have black mayors. How does that happen in a
Speaker 3: country that systemically racists? And in twenty sixteen, the city
Speaker 3: of over one hundred that most voted for Donald tr
Speaker 3: Trump was Abilene, Texas. Eighty five percent voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: The city is one hundred and forty years old. Guess
Speaker 3: which city of one hundred and forty years of age
Speaker 3: after the election of Donald Trump, voted for its first
Speaker 3: black mayor, Abilene, Texas. How does that happen? It's a
Speaker 3: lie that America is systemically racist, and all it's doing
Speaker 3: is putting Americans against Americans and causing young black people
Speaker 3: not to work as hard as they should work, because,
Speaker 3: after all, what's the point am I putting in all
Speaker 3: these man hours on math and on reading when sooner
Speaker 3: or later some white races are going to stop me
Speaker 3: from being successful. It is a lie. It's a lie
Speaker 3: that's putting Americans against each other, and it's hurting the
Speaker 3: very people that people on the left again purport to
Speaker 3: care about, primarily black people.
Speaker 1: Well in the Atlantic recently, Lara, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw this. The Atlantic recently written an article about
Speaker 1: how Latinos can be white supremacists as well. Now, so
Speaker 1: we're really expanding. I guess the category is of white
Speaker 1: supremacy in America.
Speaker 2: But it bags the question why do they want to
Speaker 2: push this narrative though?
Speaker 1: Like, why are they intentionally trying to hit people against
Speaker 1: each other on racial lines?
Speaker 2: What's beneath it?
Speaker 3: I think some percentage of them actually believe it they've
Speaker 3: been taught that, they've been spoon fitted by the media,
Speaker 3: by Hollywood, by academia. But I think on the part
Speaker 3: of politicians, people like Nancy Pelosi, like Chuck Schumer, oh,
Speaker 3: they know it's a lie. And again they're doing it
Speaker 3: because they want black people not to focus on crime,
Speaker 3: not to focus on schools, not to focus on being
Speaker 3: sufficiently competitive so they can compete in our digital age.
Speaker 3: They want black people to focus on social justice and equity,
Speaker 3: however you define that. And they've been able to successfully
Speaker 3: convince black people that they wear the white at in
Speaker 3: the fight for social justice, and these dastardly Republicans over there,
Speaker 3: they wear the black at. So go in there and
Speaker 3: pull that lever for us. That's why they do it.
Speaker 3: They do it for power.
Speaker 2: Claire, what concerns you?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there are a whole host of issues
Speaker 1: that we're facing as a country. But what concerns you
Speaker 1: the most about where we are right now is a
Speaker 1: nation the spending.
Speaker 3: You know, this deal that McCarthy thought he reached with
Speaker 3: Schumer would have put a little band aid, it would
Speaker 3: have slowed down a little bit of the spending. But
Speaker 3: even he concedes in the two years right back to
Speaker 3: where we are in nineteen hundred, Lisa, at all three levels, federal, state,
Speaker 3: and local government took less than nine percent from the
Speaker 3: American people. Today, government at all three levels takes about
Speaker 3: thirty two percent, and if you put a price on mandates,
Speaker 3: government takes almost half of what the American people produce.
Speaker 3: The only way to stop this is through an amendment
Speaker 3: to the Constitution that fixes spending to a certain percentage
Speaker 3: of the GDP, with exceptions for war and for a
Speaker 3: natural disaster. Other than that, both parties spind my favorite
Speaker 3: president of my lifetime, Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan ran to
Speaker 3: eliminate the Department of Education. When he left, the department
Speaker 3: was bigger than ever and government was around thirty percent larger.
Speaker 3: Both parties spin you don't get elected by saying I'm
Speaker 3: going to take this away from you. I'm going to
Speaker 3: end this program, and I'll use the word to describe
Speaker 3: the so called entitlement's Lisa, and that word is unsustainable.
Speaker 3: Barack Obama once use that word in describing the entitlements programs,
Speaker 3: as did Bill Clinton. But any Republican who mentions it,
Speaker 3: then they do the commercial and they'll show you with
Speaker 3: Granny in a wheelchair, throwing her over the cliff. So
Speaker 3: the only way to truly reform these programs is to
Speaker 3: force people to reform them, and the only way to
Speaker 3: do that is to pass a law that requires you
Speaker 3: to reform them. So that you're put in a room,
Speaker 3: you lock the door, and Democrats Republicans don't come out
Speaker 3: until the budget is balanced and it has been limited
Speaker 3: to that percentage that the law now requires them to
Speaker 3: limit it to, and then they can say, the devil
Speaker 3: made me do it. Please still elect me because I
Speaker 3: want to get reelected. Otherwise we're going to kick this
Speaker 3: problem down the road, and younger people are going to
Speaker 3: have to have their taxes raised to pay for the
Speaker 3: unsustainable Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and now Obamacare that
Speaker 3: they're going to be responsible for down the road. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like both parties spend a ton of money.
Speaker 1: It seems to be more of the argument about what
Speaker 1: we spend an enormous amount of money on is really
Speaker 1: where the argument comes down.
Speaker 3: And that's right. When it's Democrats spending, we call it
Speaker 3: port and we spend it we call it investments in infrastructure.
Speaker 3: When Ronald Reagan came in, you know, he promised to
Speaker 3: reduce the science of government, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: young turks started working for him, one of whom was
Speaker 3: a guy named David Stockman. He was his head of
Speaker 3: office and management and budget, and he was there for
Speaker 3: a few years, and he wrote a book and described
Speaker 3: program after program after program on the chopping block income
Speaker 3: whoever it was who were going to be hurt by that,
Speaker 3: and then the administration backed away. He wrote a book
Speaker 3: called The Triumph of American Politics where he outlined all
Speaker 3: these programs that should have been slash, that were not
Speaker 3: only slash, but when he left they were bigger than before.
Speaker 3: And that's because, as I said earlier, you don't run
Speaker 3: for office. You don't win by taking things away from people.
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan says, once you have a program, if it breathes,
Speaker 3: tax it, if it still breaths, regulate it, if it
Speaker 3: still breaths, subsidize it, and you cannot kill the program
Speaker 3: with a stick once it's been started. I can't think
Speaker 3: of very many programs at all that have been started
Speaker 3: and that have been eliminated down the road, even though
Speaker 3: we don't longer need them. Take a look at Amtrak.
Speaker 3: Take a look at PBS. When I was a kid,
Speaker 3: there were handful of stations. Now we have five hundred stations.
Speaker 3: We still have PBS. Why Tennessee Valley Authority was set
Speaker 3: up in order to provide electricity to the poor rural South. Well,
Speaker 3: the South is not poor anymore. We still have the
Speaker 3: TVA that's still run by government.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 3: I can think of a whole bunch of programs that
Speaker 3: ought not exist that will not exist if you force
Speaker 3: both politicians to limit spending to a fixed percentage of
Speaker 3: the GDP.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, but you would have to get
Speaker 1: it done through Congress. Right, So how would that.
Speaker 3: Either that or convention of states so that you can
Speaker 3: then propose amendments to the Constitution. Look, it's a long process,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the things that you enjoy as president.
Speaker 3: You have the bully pulpit. That's probably the most powerful
Speaker 3: part of being president that a nuclear bomb, and get
Speaker 3: up there and talk about what I've just talked to
Speaker 3: you about constantly, and so that the voters are motivated
Speaker 3: to put pressure on their local politicians. So either Congress
Speaker 3: does some sort of amendment or you do a convention
Speaker 3: of state. So that they do the amendment. But either way,
Speaker 3: the American people are going to have to be educated
Speaker 3: enough to know that this has to happen. I remember
Speaker 3: when Ross Prow for a while was talking about Debton deficit.
Speaker 3: I remember him buying time on one of the major
Speaker 3: networks to show up these little graphs where he pointed
Speaker 3: out the problem we're having with our Debton deficit. The
Speaker 3: next day after he did one of these programs, Lisa,
Speaker 3: I'm in the office building where I work, and I
Speaker 3: saw two janitors talking about the Debton deficit. So you
Speaker 3: educate people to explain to people so that they recognize
Speaker 3: it's in their best interests and they will put pressure
Speaker 3: on their local politicians and lo and behold. You can
Speaker 3: then move the needle.
Speaker 1: Quick break more with Larry. You'd mentioned some of the
Speaker 1: stuff Gavin Newsomone's doing with kids and on the transgender issue.
Speaker 1: Why is the left so dead set to push this
Speaker 1: on young people.
Speaker 3: Well, that's their latest way of showing how heartless and
Speaker 3: cold and insensitive Republicans are. It's their new climate change.
Speaker 3: How many transgendered people are there? Zero points zero five
Speaker 3: percent something like that. So now you're defining me by
Speaker 3: how are we are how I react to zero points,
Speaker 3: zero five percent of the population. It's their new way
Speaker 3: of you say the wrong thing, you say something in
Speaker 3: sensitive and low and behold, you're a biggit. They can
Speaker 3: put you into category and that's what they do for power.
Speaker 1: Our Republicans astute enough to make the case that it
Speaker 1: is actually evil and wrong to do this to kids,
Speaker 1: to chop a young girl's breast off or a young
Speaker 1: boy's penis off, or to put them on puberty blockers
Speaker 1: that are going to lead them to infertility and a
Speaker 1: lifelong of care and complications from surgeries.
Speaker 2: I mean, that shouldn't be a hard argument to sell.
Speaker 3: It isn't hard argument to sell. And I close to
Speaker 3: me show the majority of people feel the way you
Speaker 3: feel and the way I feel about this issue. It's
Speaker 3: just a matter of explaining it and explaining why it
Speaker 3: is that Democrats push this. They're pushing it again to
Speaker 3: define you as a bigot, as transphobic, as anti trans people.
Speaker 3: You're just a Republican bigot. I saw a poll a
Speaker 3: few years ago, Lisa, sixty one percent of Democrats believe
Speaker 3: Republicans are racist, slash bigoted, slash sexist over eighty percent
Speaker 3: believe that Donald Trump is a racist. And this is
Speaker 3: what they do. They put you in a category because
Speaker 3: they don't want to have a conversation. The former executive
Speaker 3: editor of The New York Times, his name was Dean Backay.
Speaker 3: He once said this in one of these unguarded candid moments.
Speaker 3: The left, as a general rule, does not want to
Speaker 3: hear thoughtful disagreement. I repeat, the left, as a general rule,
Speaker 3: does not want to hear thoughtful disagreement. This is what
Speaker 3: the executive editor of The New York Times admitted about
Speaker 3: left wing people. And that's where we are in this country.
Speaker 3: Rather than have a conversation along the lines of what
Speaker 3: you just now did about the downside of allowing kids
Speaker 3: to change their sex, they're just call you a name,
Speaker 3: call you a bigot, and they move on. That's what
Speaker 3: the left does in this in this country. And that's
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I believe I can effectively
Speaker 3: deal with this. My mother was a lifelong Democrat, my
Speaker 3: dad a lifelong Republican, and they used to argue across
Speaker 3: the kitchen table about all sorts of issues. Nobody called
Speaker 3: anybody a fascist, Nobody called anybody a racist. Nobody called
Speaker 3: anybody a Nazi. Nobody said you only care about the rich,
Speaker 3: you don't care about the poor. They debated issues with passion,
Speaker 3: but they did it civilly. I don't know why we
Speaker 3: cannot do that in this country.
Speaker 2: Well I wish we could.
Speaker 1: You know, definitely doesn't seem like that's the direction we're
Speaker 1: heading in, but you know, I wish that was the case.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always interested in how people get into
Speaker 1: their careers. So you practice law for a little bit
Speaker 1: after going to the University of Michigan law school, why
Speaker 1: switch to media? You know what was sort of I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you've been tremendously successful, but kind of what shifted
Speaker 1: gears in the sense of, you know what.
Speaker 2: The heck with the law, I don't want to do
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 3: Well, I practiced law for a little less than three years,
Speaker 3: and I started a little business placing lawyers with law
Speaker 3: firms and corporations. I was a legal headhunter. And one
Speaker 3: day I'm watching a television and I'm watching an interview
Speaker 3: and I thought the interviewer was doing a bad job,
Speaker 3: and I started yelling at the television set. And my
Speaker 3: girlfriend said, if you think he can do a better job.
Speaker 3: Why don't you do it? I said, okay, fine, I
Speaker 3: picked up the phone, Lisa. I taught myself into getting
Speaker 3: a job at a PBS station where I co hosted
Speaker 3: the show, and they liked me so much. I ended
Speaker 3: up hosting that show, and then I got another show
Speaker 3: for the local Fox affiliate called the Larry olda show.
Speaker 3: How I got into radio. I began writing op ed
Speaker 3: pieces for the newspaper. They published one this is about
Speaker 3: almost forty years ago, where I said racism was no
Speaker 3: longer a major factor in American life. I get a
Speaker 3: phone call from producer of a radio show. He said,
Speaker 3: I've read your article today. Are you black? And I
Speaker 3: said I've been told? And he said, you don't believe
Speaker 3: racism is a major problem in America. I said, no,
Speaker 3: I do. He said, when you come on my guys
Speaker 3: show tonight and talk about it. I said sure. I
Speaker 3: was on the show for an hour, and Cleveland is
Speaker 3: almost fifty percent black. So most of the callers were black,
Speaker 3: and they were not having it. They were calling me
Speaker 3: and Uncle Tom and a foot shuffling Uncle Tom, and
Speaker 3: a bug eyed Uncle Tom. One of them even called
Speaker 3: me the Antichrist, and one even call me the name
Speaker 3: that you call a black person when you really want
Speaker 3: to hurt his feelings, Republican. So I did that for
Speaker 3: an hour, and I said to myself, I'll never do
Speaker 3: that again. I get back home and back to my
Speaker 3: office brother, and the phone is ringing and it's the
Speaker 3: station manager of that radio station. He said, you were amazing.
Speaker 3: I said I was. He said, oh my god, you
Speaker 3: have a good speaking voice. You took difficult position, you
Speaker 3: defended them without losing your temper or your sense of humor.
Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about doing talk radio? And I
Speaker 3: said no. He said, I've got a guy you go
Speaker 3: on vacation. Will you sit in for him? And I
Speaker 3: said no. He said why. I said, I don't like it,
Speaker 3: but don't you like I don't like yelling at people.
Speaker 3: I don't like being yelled at. He said, are you
Speaker 3: married at the time. I was. He said, do me
Speaker 3: a favor. Go home tonight, talk it over with your
Speaker 3: wife and call me tomorrow. I said, I'll do that,
Speaker 3: but I doubt that I'll change my mind. So I
Speaker 3: was married at the time Lisa. I went home. I
Speaker 3: mentioned it to my wife and she said, well, what
Speaker 3: do you know about talk radio? I said, I know
Speaker 3: nothing about it other than it scene shallow, glib and stupid.
Speaker 3: She said it is, you'd be good at it, and
Speaker 3: so I did it for that week and I loved it.
Speaker 3: And it took me about two years to meet the
Speaker 3: right people. I met Dennis Prager ultimately, and then it's
Speaker 3: recommended me to KBC in LA and they gave me
Speaker 3: a two day audition. After one day, they made me
Speaker 3: an offer. And I've been doing radio ever since then,
Speaker 3: been syndicated nationally in about three hundred markets. Before I
Speaker 3: ran for governor, I was in as I mentioned, three
Speaker 3: hundred markets, one point five million people heard me every day.
Speaker 3: And I had a long career in radio. And then
Speaker 3: I had two nationally syndicated TV shows in my life.
Speaker 3: One was called Larry olda show. Another one was called
Speaker 3: Moral Court like a Judge show, like a Judge Judy show.
Speaker 3: So I've done that. And right before I ran for president,
Speaker 3: I was doing TV with Epic Times. I had a
Speaker 3: show online and on cable for Epic Times. And in
Speaker 3: the unlikely event that I don't become the next president
Speaker 3: of the United States, I'll probably go back to either
Speaker 3: TV or radio, or maybe even both.
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy how life can just take you on?
Speaker 1: You know, you just talked about a couple of different things,
Speaker 1: like the girlfriend being like, well, why don't you do
Speaker 1: it better?
Speaker 2: Or your wife being like why not try?
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy sometimes how life takes you down
Speaker 1: these roads that you know originally you rejected the idea
Speaker 1: and then it ended up being this huge career.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's just kind of crazy how life works
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Well you've heard the line man makes plan to God
Speaker 3: laughs exactly. Ever, even two and a half years ago,
Speaker 3: three years ago, would have thought that I'd run for anything.
Speaker 3: I ran for third grade class president, and I remember
Speaker 3: not liking that, even though I won that election. And
Speaker 3: fast forward, I ran for governor and now I'm running
Speaker 3: for president. I never in a million year thought I
Speaker 3: would do any of that. But little by little I
Speaker 3: began feeling that I've always thought of politics as a
Speaker 3: spectator sport, and little by little I began thinking that
Speaker 3: maybe I had something to contribute. I know, I had
Speaker 3: something to say. And my dad, as I mentioned, was
Speaker 3: a World War Two vet. He was a Marine, one
Speaker 3: of the first Marines to recall the Montford Point Marines.
Speaker 3: My older brother Kirk was in the Navy. He was
Speaker 3: a Vietnam era VET. My little brother Dennis was in
Speaker 3: the Army. He did go to Vietnam. I'm the only
Speaker 3: one in my family who didn't serve, and I never
Speaker 3: felt good about that. Lisa, and I really felt that
Speaker 3: I had a world and a political and a patriotic
Speaker 3: obligation to give back to a country that's been so
Speaker 3: good to my family and to me. And that's why
Speaker 3: I'm doing this. I would much rather not be spend
Speaker 3: my winters in Iowa, whether I spend my winters in
Speaker 3: New Hampshire. And as I said earlier, if I really
Speaker 3: thought that Donald Trump could convince enough Twing voters so
Speaker 3: that he could win in twenty four, you and I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be having this conversation.
Speaker 1: That is a concern I share as well about him
Speaker 1: just being toxic to independence, turn the key to winning.
Speaker 1: Before we go, talk about your new book, As Goes California,
Speaker 1: My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation.
Speaker 3: Well, it's available on Amazon or on Born to Noble,
Speaker 3: and I wrote it in part to talk a little
Speaker 3: bit about my background, tell a little bit about who
Speaker 3: and what made me the way I am. I talk
Speaker 3: about my mom, my dad, my brothers. I talk about
Speaker 3: why I decided to run for governor in California. I
Speaker 3: talk about the issues that I tried to address when
Speaker 3: I ran, and then I talk about what my agenda
Speaker 3: is when I run for president. So it's all in there, California,
Speaker 3: the nation, my own background and why I'm doing this.
Speaker 3: And I'm doing this, as I said before, for reasons
Speaker 3: that I think I would not be happy with Larry
Speaker 3: Elder if I go to my grave knowing that I
Speaker 3: did not do what I thought I should have done
Speaker 3: to help my country. And that's what the book is
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: Well awesome, what sounds interesting, and that's out now. People
Speaker 1: can go get it correct.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you can go on Amazon or Born to Noble
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Larry Elder, it is pleasure and an honor to have
Speaker 1: you on the show, Stir. I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you entering into the arena to try to change
Speaker 1: the country, and I appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 3: Well, Lisa, and again I need contribution with from forty
Speaker 3: thousand individual donors, and you can help by going to
Speaker 3: Elder for President dot com at the very least. Don't
Speaker 3: you want me to get up there on that debate
Speaker 3: stage and say some of the stuff that you just
Speaker 3: now heard me talk to Lisa about elderferpresident dot Com.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Larry appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Lisa, thank you for having me. God bless.
Speaker 1: Those Larry elder appreciate him taking the time to come
Speaker 1: on the show addressed to a lot of really important
Speaker 1: issues that we're facing as a country. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,
Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week, or do to
Speaker 1: thank John Cass, who my producer, for putting the show together.
Speaker 2: Until next time.