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Speaker 1: Levels to.

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Speaker 2: This is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with

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Speaker 2: Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, everybody? It's your girl? Trica Foster Brassby.

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Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Is your girl?

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Speaker 3: Cheryl Swoops And this is the levels to this podcast,

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Speaker 3: the show where we share that it's levels to the

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Speaker 3: shit that women go through and we have got such

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Speaker 3: a fun show lined up today. First, I have to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge that we are recording this podcast on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: and it also just so happens to be National Girls

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Speaker 3: and Women in Sports Day. Let me make sure I

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Speaker 3: get that right, so shout out yes. So first we

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Speaker 3: have got to shout out all of the women who

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Speaker 3: have paved the way for those of us who continue

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Speaker 3: to be trailblazers in sports. Share some encouragement to those

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Speaker 3: young ladies who are continuing to make some noise and

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Speaker 3: make waves in sport and literally find a way to

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Speaker 3: continue to keep our young girls in sport. Percentage of

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Speaker 3: show that you know between the six and eighth grade

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Speaker 3: is typically when young women kind of even fall out

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Speaker 3: of the sports realm. But like as schro can attest to,

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Speaker 3: as I can attest to, sports has.

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Speaker 4: Literally been really the gateway.

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Speaker 3: And the catalyst to so many incredible and important things

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Speaker 3: in our lives. And so we have got to continue

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Speaker 3: to show out and show love for national girls and

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Speaker 3: women in sport day and I have the pleasure of

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Speaker 3: watching and listening my girls shrow swoops on a panel

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Speaker 3: this morning alongside some other incredible women, including Alicia Clark.

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Speaker 4: We're both in.

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Speaker 3: Nashville right now for Athletes Unlimited and Cheryl, you did

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Speaker 3: an amazing job.

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Speaker 5: I really did.

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Speaker 2: Really I want to piggyback off of what you said

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Speaker 2: very briefly. If not for those who came before you

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Speaker 2: and I, there would be you and I in sports

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Speaker 2: right So, I don't know if we talk about it enough,

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Speaker 2: so I definitely want to reiterate what you said. It's

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Speaker 2: also a very important time, right It's a crucial time

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Speaker 2: for women in sports, with the threat of Title nine

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Speaker 2: being taken away from not just girls and women, Title

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Speaker 2: nine affects everybody, So without diving too much into that,

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Speaker 2: it's a very crucial time for us to remember all

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Speaker 2: of the women who came before us, everything that they've done,

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Speaker 2: how they paved the way, and you know, things that

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Speaker 2: both you and I in different arenas, but you and

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Speaker 2: So absolutely happy National Girls and Women in Sports Day.

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Speaker 2: And it's important that the girls continue to be involved

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Speaker 2: in sports. And thank you for the compliment. And you

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Speaker 2: look fly as hell. I the hair is harring.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving the polished.

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Speaker 2: I had to do a double take. I was like,

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Speaker 2: that looks like my girl tea, but uh it is I.

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Speaker 3: Had to get it together this morning, and she had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but let.

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Speaker 3: Me tell y'all, like Cheryl be on her she'd be

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Speaker 3: on her business.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was standing here talking and I was standing here

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Speaker 3: talking to Ari at first, and I saw like all

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Speaker 3: out the way. So they kept go in and get

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Speaker 3: their photos and they pictures and ship. But I want

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Speaker 3: to share something with you all that was very impactful

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Speaker 3: this morning. I can't I it was very impactful this morning.

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Speaker 1: Quiet because I don't really know what you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna say if it was very impactful this morning. So

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Speaker 3: you know Ari Chambers love Ari. She was the moderator

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Speaker 3: asked is can you share something about yourself that is

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Speaker 3: this little fan that I carry with me all the

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll show the people. I'll show the people.

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Speaker 2: You ain't got to pretend like you got one this

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Speaker 2: but go ahead to tell you know what I said,

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Speaker 5: Got this hand.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, I'm oking this caller out around because I know,

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Speaker 2: I know was Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I thought you and you and I had.

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Speaker 2: A better understanding and a better relationship than this.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, you know what, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait until we for two things, for us

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Speaker 2: to do our menopause episode, which is coming, and I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to your hiss menopause.

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Speaker 1: How about that? I cannot wait.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ain't nobody sat but cherylid damn it, she shoulder

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Speaker 1: And turned it off and turned it off.

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Speaker 2: So for all of the women out there who can

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Speaker 2: relate to what this, this this heap is saying, yep,

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Speaker 2: I call the heaven what she said?

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Speaker 1: Y'all feel my pain?

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Speaker 6: You do?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: And when the time comes, whether we're doing this this podcast,

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Speaker 3: Are the world team, just call you?

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Speaker 4: Can I get my fans from?

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Speaker 3: Where's the best place to buy mine?

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Speaker 2: I tell?

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Speaker 1: And I ain't telling. I ain't telling.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Well, folks, we have a great show lined up today

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Speaker 3: because as it is National Girls and Women in.

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Speaker 6: Sports Day, we have a woman joining our show.

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Speaker 3: Today who quite literally has blaze trails in the national

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Speaker 3: Football League because it's also Super Bowl week, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean.

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Speaker 3: And my team ain't in it. Shirld's team ain't in it.

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Speaker 3: We just we just sitting here watching. No we watching

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Speaker 4: See, I'm watching for neverm ain't.

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Speaker 3: You know, I play a little. What I do every

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Speaker 1: Can I say this since you brought that football?

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Speaker 2: So football is the one sport to me, not all,

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Speaker 5: You know what's crazy?

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Speaker 3: Some football players I don't even know what they look

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Speaker 3: I don't need the jersey.

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Speaker 3: Helmet and then I can tell who you are from

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Speaker 3: the body shape. Yeah, but there are some oh wow,

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Speaker 3: And yes, I am objectifying the men at this moment.

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Speaker 3: To be very clear of what I'm doing right now.

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely objectifying they do. That's why I feel

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Speaker 6: Fair to get my turn.

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Speaker 2: They do that, they do that to on the side. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just letting y'all know that I'm objectifying

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Speaker 1: They're gonna girl, they're gonna, they're gonna come for me

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Speaker 1: to But yeah, but we is it Sheryl and Tarka married?

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Speaker 1: Aren't they married?

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Speaker 3: And I tell I will be the first to say facts.

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Speaker 3: I may not be able to order, but I.

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Speaker 4: Can absolutely still look at the menu. Okay, not blind.

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Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So, folks, we are going to be joined by none

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Speaker 3: I have to say that I know that Ryl is

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Speaker 2: Don't don't just put me out there like I'm only

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Speaker 3: When I tell you that there is a level. See

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Speaker 3: you remind me of the China.

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Speaker 6: You go ahead.

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Speaker 6: China. China.

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Speaker 3: So here's a little difference, right, China doesn't really do

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Speaker 6: But then you ask her a football question, She'll be like, girl,

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Speaker 6: I don't know that. Don't ask me that, like you.

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Speaker 1: Are so putting me on blast right now. In front

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Speaker 6: This is warm in my soul. Okay for today's guest,

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Speaker 6: because I know.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be an excellent show, especially given that

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Speaker 3: Cheryl is gonna be like, go Texans and then you

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Speaker 3: ask her a question that she'll.

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Speaker 6: Be like, girl, why are you asking me that I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is it is. It is go Texans all day?

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Speaker 6: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: So come I went to football questions. Let's go, come on,

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Speaker 3: Don't don't play with me.

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Speaker 3: Said Oh Today show man, I'm so excited to welcome

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Speaker 6: Let's go. Let's get it, my girl. Jennifer King, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Let's sucking good?

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Speaker 5: Essentially, I was at before him with other women who

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Speaker 2: People never follow through with that, or sometimes people say that.

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Speaker 1: Just to be like girl, leave me alone.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment and I know you said

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna connect, you know what I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I guess I had this optimism about the city

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Speaker 3: You know what, that's a good point that you bring

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Speaker 6: We've actually been a.

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Speaker 6: Were still out here trying to make something shake right.

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Speaker 3: We're wondering why all these great offensive coordinators and defensive

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Speaker 3: Is because you not only need to have an investment

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think at the league level, like

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Speaker 2: Just out of curiosity, I'm not trying to put you

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Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, I don't like on

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Speaker 2: It's not any different coaching in the NFL coaching the

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Speaker 5: From day one, I think I saw that the players

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Speaker 1: Well, like, I'm really in awe of you right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Tea's point. And I know I

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Speaker 1: Like Cheryl's a basketball girl. Yeah, I grew up.

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Speaker 6: I was joking you want, but.

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Speaker 2: But if I sit at the table, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: You do? Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 6: Like you you are a badass to be.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that, Carell. I think it helped that I

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Speaker 5: It's been pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you actually touched on exactly where I was getting

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Speaker 6: About whatever, and they'll be like, hell, you ain't never played.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I did play wide receiver and I

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Speaker 3: I would be best to be a cheerleader that that

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Speaker 6: I was like, WHOA, I don't know if this is

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Speaker 3: But with that being said, you haven't played thirteen seasons

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Speaker 5: So right now, there are two major leagues. There's the

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of former leadiate athletes pro athletes now

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Speaker 5: switched over to play football.

447
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Speaker 3: I really love that because that's the thing that bugs

448
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: me more than anything, and that really ties into the

449
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: whole point of our conversation today, which is there are

450
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Speaker 3: women doing some very incredible things, and sometimes that means

451
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Speaker 3: that we have to step into spaces that were not

452
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Speaker 3: always open to us. And for a very long time,

453
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Speaker 3: it feels like the NFL hasn't been open to us,

454
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Speaker 3: even just in general conversation. Not necessarily the league, but

455
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Speaker 3: I mean just the mindset of some people who are

456
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Speaker 3: very small and don't understand that women can kill sceptually

457
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Speaker 3: understand football. I look at Mina Kimes as someone who's

458
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Speaker 3: probably forgotten more football than I'll ever know, and oh

459
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Speaker 3: my god, and the way that she's able to express

460
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Speaker 3: and analyze and break down, and it's like there are

461
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Speaker 3: still some who don't understand the kind of vitriol that

462
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Speaker 3: sometimes women experience when they're trying to get into these spaces,

463
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Speaker 3: and so I think it's incredibly important for people to

464
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Speaker 3: know and hear your story because the level of success

465
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Speaker 3: that you've attained as it relates to being able to

466
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Speaker 3: get into the space, have the kind of experiences that

467
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Speaker 3: you've had, it's important for those who want to come

468
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Speaker 3: into this. I'm even a little bit more curious to

469
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Speaker 3: go a little bit back a little further, because I'd

470
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Speaker 3: like to know how you even found out about participating

471
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Speaker 3: as a participant in women's football. It's not something that

472
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Speaker 3: is always advertised or it's not something that if you

473
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Speaker 3: don't necessarily know to look for that you can find.

474
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Speaker 3: So I'd love to even know how did you even

475
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Speaker 3: switch from softball in basketball to getting into football.

476
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean I grew up in a small town

477
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Speaker 5: in North Carolina where football was huge. My parents never

478
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Speaker 5: let me play, even though I was pretty good as

479
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Speaker 5: a kid. But then ultimately, when I graduated college, I

480
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Speaker 5: had a chance to play some ball overseas for a

481
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Speaker 5: little bit, and then when I got back, I was like,

482
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Speaker 5: what am I going to do? I found a lady

483
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Speaker 5: I was playing pick up with, she was playing on

484
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Speaker 5: the team, and she invited me out, and that was

485
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Speaker 5: pretty much a rap from there. I didn't want to

486
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Speaker 5: play basketball no more. I was just I know it

487
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Speaker 5: was wild, but I went and tried out the next thing,

488
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Speaker 5: I know, I'm all in. That's how I got involved.

489
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Speaker 5: And I think now you see it on social media

490
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Speaker 5: or you know someone that knows someone that plays. So

491
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Speaker 5: I think it's a little easier now than it was

492
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Speaker 5: when I started. But obviously it's still a room to go,

493
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Speaker 5: and I think they're making great strides to make it

494
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Speaker 5: a household sport.

495
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Speaker 2: When people talk to me about who will be the

496
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Speaker 2: first female to coach in the NBA, right, it bothers

497
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Speaker 2: me because I'm like, it shouldn't even really be a

498
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Speaker 2: conversation or an issue because women are very qualified to

499
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Speaker 2: do that, and I'm talking about as a head coach.

500
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Speaker 6: Not an assistant.

501
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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to ask you the question people ask me,

502
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Speaker 2: would you someday like to be a head coach in

503
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Speaker 2: the NFL?

504
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Speaker 5: Oh? Sure, I'm just gonna put me on the spot.

505
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Speaker 6: Huh A period, that's what we do.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you knew.

507
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Speaker 5: Oh no, I didn't know, but here we are. It's

508
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Speaker 5: one of those things that you know, I just continue

509
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 5: to grow as a coach, even when I was coaching basketball.

510
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: I was an assistant, I learned, I grew as a

511
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Speaker 5: coach and ultimately became a head coach, and I was

512
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Speaker 5: successful at it. I think in football it can be

513
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Speaker 5: a similar path to me, just to continue to grow

514
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Speaker 5: as a coach. Now I look too far ahead and

515
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Speaker 5: see what happens in the future, and I would love

516
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Speaker 5: to be a head coach one day.

517
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm asking like crazy questions because it is football

518
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Speaker 2: to me, because basketball. When people ask me some of

519
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: these questions that I'm probably asking you, you're probably like what,

520
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Speaker 2: But like as far as mentoring, right, Like, I know

521
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: so many young girls and little girls who they have

522
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Speaker 2: those mentors in every sport, and I'm assuming with football,

523
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Speaker 2: do you mentor young girls who someday aspire to do

524
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Speaker 2: what you're doing?

525
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of people kind of

526
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Speaker 5: in contact with There's some in college now who are

527
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Speaker 5: working with their college teams. I think the future for

528
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Speaker 5: women working in football is super bright. There's a lot

529
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Speaker 5: of women doing great things, and like just kind of perspective.

530
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Speaker 5: When I started with the form that I went to

531
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Speaker 5: in twenty eighteen, everybody there had other jobs trying to

532
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Speaker 5: get into football. And then last year at the forum,

533
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Speaker 5: everybody that participated was already working in football at the

534
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Speaker 5: college level or some at the pro level. So I

535
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Speaker 5: think it just shows the growth over four or five

536
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Speaker 5: years that can happen. And it's not just coaching people

537
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Speaker 5: on the operation side, pr doing all the types of

538
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Speaker 5: different things, but actually coaching on the football field. There's

539
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Speaker 5: still a bunch of women that they're coming up. They're

540
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Speaker 5: doing a really good job. I mean, obviously the Buffalo Bills,

541
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Speaker 5: she's doing a great job, and obviously they're having a

542
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Speaker 5: great season.

543
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Speaker 6: I know it can't be easy.

544
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Speaker 3: There has to be some challenges that I think most

545
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Speaker 3: people facing, no matter what profession that they're in. Can

546
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Speaker 3: you talk about what maybe some of those challenges are

547
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Speaker 3: that you face?

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

549
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the hardest part for us is that

550
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 5: people don't realize how we work. And it's tough. You know,

551
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 5: it takes its toll. You know, obviously we're out of

552
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Speaker 5: the season now to't finally gets some rest.

553
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Speaker 6: But I ain't want to say nothing.

554
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but season, we're working, you know, sixteen hour days

555
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 5: almost every day. It's a lot that goes into us

556
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 5: getting ready to play on Sundays and whenever that game

557
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Speaker 5: is I think a lot of people just see the game.

558
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 5: They don't really understand what goes on behind it. So

559
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Speaker 5: you sacrifice a lot. You're gonna miss a bunch of holidays,

560
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: you're gonna miss birthdays, a lot of friend trip. So

561
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Speaker 5: I think that's one of the biggest sacrifices you have

562
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Speaker 5: to make and be prepared to make when you step

563
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 5: into this industry and it's tough. You know everybody, it's

564
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: a lot of coaches that want to work in the NFL.

565
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 5: It's very tough and competitive. So to be fired and

566
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: rehired was really big for me because they always say

567
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Speaker 5: you're not a coach in the NFL TA you get fired.

568
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: So I've been there and I was able to get

569
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Speaker 5: rehired again, so they lets me know that I'm doing

570
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Speaker 5: something right.

571
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Speaker 2: I am going to put you on the spot again,

572
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: only because you were an amazing quarterback yourself.

573
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Speaker 1: I want your thoughts on Shador Sanders.

574
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Speaker 5: I haven't really watched tape on him. I just seen

575
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Speaker 5: him play on TV because like everybody else, yeah, I

576
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: got the sweatshirt and everything, But I think one thing

577
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 5: about him, without even watching tape, is that he's been

578
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: successful like every level. But obviously just watching on TV,

579
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 5: he's talented, he has a big arm. Without watching tape

580
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Speaker 5: to really evaluate him, I'm excited to see what he

581
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 5: can do in the NFL. And obviously it's a big

582
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Speaker 5: step for any kid leaving college coming to the league.

583
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Speaker 5: It's a big step, Like I don't care who you are.

584
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Speaker 5: But I think the thing about him that I like

585
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 5: is that obviously he's out likes to have a good time,

586
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: but he works his butt off, Like you see him

587
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 5: working with Tom Brady and wanting to be better. I

588
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 5: never see him like satisfied where he's where he is.

589
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Speaker 5: So I'm excited for now.

590
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Speaker 3: Y'all know I'm Tom Brady's biggest hater, so you could

591
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: have left that Thomas the whole government the moment he

592
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: walked on the campus of ann Arbor, and then continue

593
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: the moment he became a member of the New England Patriots.

594
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Speaker 3: As an Indianapolis Colts fan, we were at one point

595
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: in the AFC East, so we were direct rivals. Then

596
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: the hate continued even further when I had to listen

597
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: to his ass every damn day of this season on Fox.

598
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 6: And I'm like, Fox, please don't be like that, get away,

599
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 6: get away from this man, don't be like that.

600
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Speaker 3: But anyway, super Bowl was coming up, and there are

601
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Speaker 3: so many people who are going to be focused on

602
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: the game. There are also so many activities that also

603
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: happened throughout the week that I don't think enough people

604
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: realize or talk about. And I ain't talking about the

605
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: parties and stuff because I'm you know, I'll be in

606
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: for that too. But there is a typically a she

607
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: time women's sports networking brunch that has happened over the

608
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: last few years that has been incredible. And that brunch

609
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: it is hosted by Latanya's story.

610
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Speaker 6: She's a PR guru, but she has.

611
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Speaker 3: Made this brunch so spectacular that the moment that she

612
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: says Okay it's time for tickets, that thing is sold out.

613
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 3: But I know that you have been there. I know

614
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: that you've attended, probably attended this year. With all that

615
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: being said, how does it feel to be in a

616
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Speaker 3: room with so many amazing women and really getting an

617
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: opportunity to see how a sport like the NFL really

618
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: can draw attention to a fan base that I don't

619
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Speaker 3: think it necessarily intended to.

620
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we can't say enough about what she's

621
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Speaker 5: done for this brunch. It's always, you know, in my opinion,

622
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Speaker 5: one of the best events of Super Bowl Week to

623
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Speaker 5: bring together so many women in sport. I'm excited I'm

624
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: be there this year and she's been crushing it. And

625
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 5: I tried to get someone in last minute, and as

626
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 5: already as a wait list, it's almost triple digits the

627
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 5: wait list, I'm gonna tell you that right now. So

628
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: it's a tough ticket to get. But I look forward

629
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Speaker 5: to her every year. I mean, my hat's after her.

630
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 5: I got so much respect for her and all the

631
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Speaker 5: things that she does.

632
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: See, we got to get on I was about to

633
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Speaker 2: ask if there was anything.

634
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: So much for that.

635
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Speaker 6: We got to figure out how to get on this list.

636
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: And I want to make sure our listeners know as

637
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: we continue to talk about the w NFC, there are

638
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: three divisions. And I might have a team near me.

639
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: You got a team near you, Cheryl the Houston down Bus.

640
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well I need to know that.

641
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Speaker 6: What are you looking forward to most the Super Bowl Sunday?

642
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Speaker 3: I know, for me, I'm always looking forward to hanging

643
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: out with my friends, drinking some beer, eating some food,

644
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: and talking cash, money, shit, it don't even matter what

645
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: team is there.

646
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 6: I'm talking ship the entire time.

647
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Well, we know you ain't drinking beer, though.

648
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 6: Why you're putting my business in anyway?

649
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: To tell super Bowl Week is a good time. I

650
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: kind of refuse to go until I play in one.

651
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: You never know. I might show up one day just

652
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 5: because I heard it's incredible to attend live. But I

653
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: think it's you want a good game, first of all,

654
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Speaker 5: and I think this year we're almost guaranteed a good

655
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 5: game just because there's so many great teams. We're going

656
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: to have a good game, and it's going to be

657
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 5: some premier players and obviously working in the league. Now,

658
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 5: as long as I worked in the league, I'm probably

659
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: gonna know somebody coaching or playing in it. So I

660
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 5: think it just brings another level just because you want

661
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Speaker 5: to see them succeed. You want to see them do

662
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: well real quick.

663
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Speaker 2: Because I'm looking at all these footballs you got behind you.

664
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Speaker 1: I would love to know what those are for.

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Speaker 2: But before you answer that question, I want to know

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Speaker 2: what that bottle is sitting up there.

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Speaker 5: So I was a part team. I played on the

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Speaker 5: New York Sharks. We won our league and then we

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Speaker 5: actually went and played over in the UK and we

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Speaker 5: played some teams there and we won that tournament and

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Speaker 5: we got like those bottles after as celebratory items. I

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Speaker 5: didn't want to spray mine. I wanted to keep it

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Speaker 5: so I can put it on that listen.

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Speaker 1: I had to do a little research.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, because you sitting there talking

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Speaker 2: about I was player of the game. You were a

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Speaker 2: seven time All American QB and wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Let the folks know period you You ain't just some

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Speaker 2: random who decided.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm betta go coach football.

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Speaker 6: I think I just gonna shoot my shot like.

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Speaker 5: I did well, had a lot of success, played on

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Speaker 5: some good teams. I mean, I definitely have that that

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Speaker 5: to stand on as well in this coaching business that

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Speaker 5: I've done it, you know, at the high level. Probably

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Speaker 5: did some more things at the highest level I can

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Speaker 5: play at than some of my counterparts.

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Speaker 6: Like that is it right there?

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Speaker 3: It's just understanding that we have all paid our dues

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Speaker 3: in some way, and it may be a difficult pill

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Speaker 3: to swallow sometimes when you have paid your dues and

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Speaker 3: you have played at a high level and you have

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Speaker 3: performed at a high level, and you still don't feel

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Speaker 3: like you get the same opportunity to be in a

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Speaker 3: certain position as some of our male counterparts, to some

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Speaker 3: of our white counterparts. And so if you could offer

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Speaker 3: a little bit of advice to maybe someone out there

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Speaker 3: who was looking to get into this and maybe not

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Speaker 3: really having the immediate impact that they want to have,

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Speaker 3: or someone who may feel like they're not being seen, Like,

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Speaker 3: what advice would you give to them in two in

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Speaker 3: two ways, One advice in terms of just self confidence

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Speaker 3: and self motivation, but also advice as far as what

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Speaker 3: steps can they continually take to be able to put

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Speaker 3: themselves in the best position to get into coaching at

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Speaker 3: the highest level.

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Speaker 5: The thing about sports, like I said, it's tough. So

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Speaker 5: if you want to be a coach, you gotta be

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Speaker 5: fully committed ten toes down. It's not going to always

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Speaker 5: be easy. You're gonna get a lot of those, but

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Speaker 5: it's just take one. Yes, you know, that's all you need,

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Speaker 5: so you know, continue to develop your crafts along the journey.

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Speaker 5: Because the thing about me, you know, I connected with

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Speaker 5: coach Rivera, but initially I was only gonna be there

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Speaker 5: for two days. That was my thing Ricky Minnie Camp.

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Speaker 5: I was excited about it, and those two days turned

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Speaker 5: into being with the Panthers for four months, just because

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Speaker 5: I brought something to the table people. I was ready

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Speaker 5: when that opportunity to present itself. You got to make

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Speaker 5: sure your work ethic and your level of competency match

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Speaker 5: those dreams that you have right now, because you never

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Speaker 5: know when you're gonna get the opportunity. It might be

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Speaker 5: the only opportunity, so you gotta be ready to kill it.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the most important things for me. If

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Speaker 5: you want to do something, prepare yourself because sometimes you

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Speaker 5: may not be getting those opportunities yet, you might not

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Speaker 5: be ready for them. They might be God telling you

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Speaker 5: slow down a little bit. So make sure you're prepared

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Speaker 5: so when when the opportunity presents itself, you're able to

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Speaker 5: put your best foot forward.

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Speaker 1: Well that's good, that's good.

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Speaker 6: That's a my drop right there.

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Speaker 2: I just am in awe of everything you've accomplished and

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Speaker 2: achieved in your journey and your resiliency. And I know

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Speaker 2: you gave advice to whoever is listening to this, but

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Speaker 2: you also spoke to me directly, so I appreciate that, Like,

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Speaker 2: keep killing it. Keep crushing it and know that it's

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Speaker 2: so many of us that are watching you. We see you,

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Speaker 2: we look up to you, we admire you, and keep

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Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming to hang out with it, Jam.

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Speaker 3: We look forward to continuing to see you on the

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Speaker 3: sidelines doing whatever it is that you want to do.

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Speaker 6: I cheer for you. I can't actively, but I cheer

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Speaker 6: for you.

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Speaker 5: I had a dollar. If I had a dollar until

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Speaker 5: somebody told me that I appreciate it. I appreciate the

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Speaker 5: support I do, i'd.

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Speaker 3: Be like, my girl, look good, let's go for it.

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Speaker 3: That's where I have to leave it. Thanks for hanging

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Speaker 3: out with us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: I have a really great time talking to Jennifer because

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Speaker 3: I learned a couple of things that I that I

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Speaker 3: didn't know about her, and.

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Speaker 1: I thought I know Jim pretty well. Listen, she taught me.

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Speaker 1: You probably were like, well, why is Cheryl asking this question?

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Speaker 5: In this question?

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Speaker 2: And you know, but you you also said it that

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Speaker 2: I ain't a real football girl. I know just enough

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Speaker 2: to know what's going on right, but to be able

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Speaker 2: to and that's why I said to her, I'm a

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Speaker 2: fan like, I got so much respect for her being

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Speaker 2: in this male dominated field but holding her own.

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Speaker 1: The players respect her, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, tee, we we need more women standing up

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Speaker 2: and doing the things that she's doing in that space.

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Speaker 2: And uh, kudos to Jen, thank you for coming on

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Speaker 2: and listen. Taught me a lot about football and a

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Speaker 2: lot about being.

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Speaker 1: A woman, a female, and I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love when she mentioned that to the guys that

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Speaker 3: she works with, like they don't see gender, right, and

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Speaker 3: it's just it's just I see a person that is

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Speaker 3: showing me how to be better, how to develop, how

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Speaker 3: to get better.

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Speaker 4: And I I even love that.

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Speaker 3: And I thought to bringing us back to basketball, and

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Speaker 3: I hope that one day, after all these amazing women

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Speaker 3: who we've seen on the NBA side in the assistancy

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Speaker 3: in the associate head coaches seat, one day there will

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Speaker 3: be an owner who also will not necessarily see gender,

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Speaker 3: but recognize what gender is lacking in the head coaching

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Speaker 3: positions in the NBA and make the move to not

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Speaker 3: only create history, but just do the right thing. There

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Speaker 3: are some amazing minds in basketball that could coach in

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Speaker 3: the NBA, so hopefully we'll see that one day.

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Speaker 4: But we love A big shout out to Jen.

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Speaker 3: So as we're getting ready to go and celebrate AU

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Speaker 3: basketball this week, as we're going to celebrate the Super

792
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Speaker 3: Bowl this week, go ahead and level as off a

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Speaker 3: share with your encouraging words today.

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Speaker 2: Well, this one is very short and sweet, and absolutely

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Speaker 2: we're celebrating National Girls and Women in Sports today, We're

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Speaker 2: celebrating Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We're getting ready to celebrate AU for the month of February.

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Speaker 1: And you know what else we celebrating.

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Speaker 4: Tea Black History Month.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see Black History Month period,

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00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: but it's it says I am Black History. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: I am going to give you for the month of February.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving the people a black history quote. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: was short and sweet, but I feel like where we

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Speaker 2: are right now, with everything that's going on, it's very necessary.

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Speaker 2: And this is a Frederick Douglas quote, very short, and

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Speaker 2: it says, the soul that is within me, no man

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Speaker 2: can degrade. Let me read that one more time. The

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Speaker 2: soul that is within me, no man can degrade.

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Speaker 4: Period period, take that period.

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Speaker 3: The mic has been Mike has been dropped. We're gonna celebrate.

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Speaker 4: Oh I need, I needed that for my soul today going.

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Speaker 3: To celebrate all of the wonderful, incredible and phenomenal trailblazers

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Speaker 3: black men and women who have just truly I don't

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Speaker 3: even we leveling off. I can't even get into it

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Speaker 3: because part of me is like, yeah, we're lovely.

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Speaker 1: But you know what we can get into. We can

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Speaker 1: get into it for.

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Speaker 4: The next episode, for the next episode.

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Speaker 3: But on as far as as far as this quote today, Cheryl,

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Speaker 3: absolutely necessary and needed in this time for both of us.

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Speaker 3: And so for all of you out there listening, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for continuing to listen to Levels to this.

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Speaker 3: We will be back next week with more Next Level

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Speaker 3: conversations just about the real shit that we go through

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Speaker 3: as women, and I genuinely feel our next show is

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Speaker 3: a show that you guys are certainly not gonna want

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Speaker 3: to miss. But remember this isn't just our show, it's

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Speaker 3: our show, so we want to hear from you. Leave

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Speaker 3: us a review in Apple Podcasts, where you can email

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Speaker 3: us at Levels to this podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Tell us what you thought of this show or maybe

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Speaker 3: what you might want to talk about on another show.

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Speaker 3: You can also follow us on Instagram at ltt pod

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Speaker 3: and you definitely want to follow us.

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Speaker 4: You could see this video that I was talking about Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: Until then, keep your mentals round level and we will

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Speaker 3: be Fatation week.

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Speaker 6: You love me.

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Speaker 1: And pick yourself up a fan.

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Speaker 2: Base. Listen to Levels to this on America's number one

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