1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hello, it's Richard McLean Smith here with Unexplained on an 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: end of season break. Will be dipping back into the 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: archive each week until season nine begins on Friday, October 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: thirty first. This week's episode explores one of the most 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: puzzling claims in all of paranormal research. Accounts so rare 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: and so strange that they challenge our very understanding of 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: reality itself. What happens when ordinary people insist the familiar 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: world around them has suddenly become something else? Entirely when 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: witnesses claim the present has slipped away, leaving them stranded 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: in moments that shouldn't exist. In the nineteen fifties, two 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: separate incidents in Britain left ordinary people with extraordinary stories 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: to tell. A woman walking home alone on a winter's 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: night would later claim she witnessed scenes that belonged to 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: another age, while three young cadets on a routine exercise 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: would insist that they stumbled into a world that seemed 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: frozen in time. This is Unexplained, Season two, episode two, 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: Time out of Joint. It has long been accepted that 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: time as we know it, or at the very least 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: in the sense that we experience it, is not what 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: it seems, or, as Albert Einstein put it, the past, 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: the present, and the future is but a stubborn, persistent illusion. 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: It would seem that we have long been mesmerized by 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: the notion of traveling through time, whether it be to 24 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: write a past wrong or merely to escape our present reality. 25 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: But it wasn't until Einstein's special relativity introduced us to 26 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: the tantalizing concept of space, time, and the fourth dimension 27 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: that such notions were given mathematical credibility. No longer was 28 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: time a mere subjective unit of measurement, but suddenly we 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: were invited to imagine it as a space within which 30 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: we might move, a theory that, as the earlier quote suggests, 31 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: did awagh entirely with any notion of past, present and future. Or, 32 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: to be clearer, as physicist Max Tegmark notes, time is 33 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: not an illusion, but the flow of time is for 34 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: much in the way that matter may appear differently from 35 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: one observer to the next. So two, according to Einstein, 36 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: does time. Incidentally, although the concept of space time is 37 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: often linked with Einstein, it was actually his teacher Hermann 38 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Minkowski who first proposed the idea back in nineteen o 39 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: eight in a paper titled Space and Time. Remarkably, author 40 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Edgar Allan Poe is believed to have come to the 41 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: same realization himself as far back as eighteen forty eight, 42 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: writing in an essay titled Eureka, that space and duration 43 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: are one. Certainly, it is an area that has been 44 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: well explored in fiction. The Oddly Unsettling nineteen seventies television 45 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: show Sapphire and Steel and Joan Lindsay's Haunting and Mesmeric 46 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Picnic at Hanging Rock are two of my favorite accounts 47 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: of one such temporal corruption that is equal parts fascinating 48 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: and terrifying. The notion of the time slip you're listening 49 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: to unexplained and I'm Richard mc lean smith. To paranormal researchers, 50 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: the fabled time slip is considered to be the rarest 51 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: of all documented paranormal experience, the most well known account 52 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: of such an event being the Mobile jor Dan incident. 53 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: The event is alleged to have occurred on Saturday, August tenth, 54 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: nineteen oh one, at the Palace of Versailles in France, 55 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: when two British women visiting the palace on a day 56 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: trip claimed to have found themselves inexplicably transported back to 57 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: the late eighteenth century to be surrounded by palace courtiers 58 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: and even at one point crossing paths with Mary Antoinette. 59 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: The women, Charlotte Moberley and Eleanor Jordan, were both well 60 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: educated and had no obvious reason to fabricate the events, 61 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: and published a book of their account in nineteen eleven, 62 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: which was predictably met with much ridicule. There are two 63 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: accounts of alleged time slips that took place in Britain 64 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. The writer and longtime member of 65 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: the Society of Psychical Research Andrew Mackenzie documented both the 66 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: events in his nineteen ninety seven book Adventures in Time. 67 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: For Mackenzie, the accounts were nothing ne less than two 68 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: of the most convincing that he had ever come across, 69 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: mysteries that remained to this day unexplained. On Monday, January second, 70 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty, as the new decade entered its third day, 71 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: so two did the New year's celebrations. As is customary 72 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: in Scotland. In a small house in the town of 73 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: Brecon in the eastern County of Angus, a cocktail party 74 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: is coming to an end. Sensing that the party was 75 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: beginning to wind down, one of the guests, fifty five 76 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: year old miss Elizabeth Smith, decided to call it a night. 77 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: It was, after all, getting late, and Elizabeth wasn't much 78 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: relishing the ten mile drive back to her house in 79 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: leatherm After saying goodbye to her friends, she collected her 80 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: small terrier dog that she had brought with her, and 81 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: together they climbed into her car in preparation for the 82 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: journey home. It had been a relatively mild winter, but 83 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: the last few days had seen a light dusting of 84 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: snow along much of the East Coast, snow that by 85 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: nightfall on the second had turned steadily to ice. Undeterred, 86 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: Elizabeth switched on the engine and pulled off into the night. 87 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: A short time later, not more than two miles outside 88 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: of Brecon, Elizabeth lost control of the car, span off 89 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: the road, and plummeted straight into a ditch. Miraculously, neither 90 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Elizabeth nor her small canine companion were harmed, but the 91 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: car was completely written off. Relieved and more than a 92 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: little dazed. With the temperature outside steadily dropping, Elizabeth knew 93 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: she had only two options. Returned to her friend's home, 94 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: or strike out on the eight mile journey back to leatherm. 95 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: Deciding on the latter, Elizabeth gathered her things and, together 96 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: with her dock, she set out on the long walk home. 97 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: At first, Elizabeth was at ease, taking the deserted country 98 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: lane back towards her village. She felt safe with her 99 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: dog by her side, cheerily keeping her company. But it 100 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: was hard to ignore the strange sense of foreboding that 101 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: is wont to arise when you were out in the wilderness, 102 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: with no lights to be seen, and even the moon 103 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: declines to reveal itself. Such was the thickness of cloud 104 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: it was difficult even to make out the contours of 105 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: the surrounding fields, save for the dark silhouettes of hedgerows 106 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: and trees dotted about like thick, formless shadows. It wasn't 107 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: long before the eerie quietude of the night started to 108 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: gnaw away at her nerves, so much so that Elizabeth 109 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: neglected to take the well trodden short cut through the field. 110 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Better to stick to the open country, she thought, than 111 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: venture nearer to the ominous looking woodland to her left. 112 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: With the temperature dropping even further, Elizabeth and her little 113 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: dog plowed on gallantly towards their destination. Roughly two miles 114 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: from Leathern Elizabeth's dog began to tire, leaving Smith with 115 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: little choice but to pick him up and carry him 116 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: on her shoulders. Less than half a mile later, Smith 117 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: was hugely relieved when she was able to make out 118 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: the distant rise of Dunnichen Hill, a clear sign that 119 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: she was almost home. And so it was with little 120 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: surprise when she saw a few small lights in the distance. 121 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: Only there was something odd about them. Firstly, it was strange, 122 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: she thought, why so many lights would be on when 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: it was almost two o'clock in the morning. But what 124 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: was perhaps even more unusual was that the lights, unless 125 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: she was mistaken, appeared to be moving. A short time 126 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: time later, not only had the number of lights increased dramatically, 127 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: but she soon realized with some surprise that each of 128 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: the lights were being held aloft in the air by strange, 129 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: shadowy figures. The lights were in fact flaming torches, being 130 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: held aloft by men wearing dark tunics with roll collars 131 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: and tights. What was also odd was the manner in 132 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: which they were moving. Rather than walking straight across the field, 133 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: they seemed to be skirting in a semicircle around the 134 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: bottom of it. But then the figures disappeared, only to 135 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: be replaced by another set of men in the field 136 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: to her left, who were this time close enough for 137 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: her to notice that the torches seemed to be strangely 138 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: red in colour. At this point, Elizabeth's dog, sensing the 139 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: peculiarity of the occasion, began to bark, much to Elizabeth's alarm. 140 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Trying to ignore the strange men, she hurryrried on towards home. 141 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: But the most extraordinary vision was yet to come. Not 142 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: long after, a third set of men appeared, even closer 143 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: than the previous groups. She could see them clearly now 144 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: as they made their way through the field, just like before, 145 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: with their burning torches held aloft. But they weren't merely 146 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: marching as she had first thought. This group seemed to 147 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: be moving much more diligently and with purpose throughout the field. 148 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Elizabeth wondered why it was that they would stop from 149 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: time to time, bringing the torches close to the ground, 150 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: and that was when she saw them, the bloodied corpses 151 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: of the dead. It was as if she had wandered 152 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: into the aftermath of some great and ancient battle. The 153 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: field was littered with them. The men with torches were 154 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: clearly scared, carrying the ground to see if anyone was 155 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: left alive, turning the bodies over in the darkness to 156 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: check for signs of life. Smith and her dog eventually 157 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: made it home safe and sound, but unsurprisingly, the ghosts 158 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: of those dead never truly left her. However, it wasn't 159 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: until a further twenty years later that Smith's account of 160 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: the extraordinary event was formally recorded. The task was taken 161 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: up by fifty four year old doctor James mccague, a 162 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: much respected and well loved psychologist and contemporary of Andrew 163 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: McKenzie at the Society for Psychical Research. In the intervening years, 164 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: Smith had come to the realization that what she had 165 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: seen had indeed something to do with an ancient battle 166 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: once fought on the very land she had walked across. 167 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: After spending some considerable time interviewing Smith, macag was left 168 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: with little doubt that she had somehow slipped back in 169 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: time and witnessed the aftermath of a brutal and bloody 170 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: battle known as the Battle of Necton's Mere. The battle 171 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: occurred in six hundred and eighty five, a d between 172 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: the Picts, an enigmatic tribal people from what is now 173 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: the north and east of Scotland, and the Northumbrians. Fifty 174 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: years previously, the Kingdom of Northumbria, led by King Edwin, 175 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: had risen to become the most powerful in all of 176 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: the British isles, but by the end of the seventh 177 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: century the kingdom had diminished considerably, thanks largely to the 178 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: disastrous defeat they suffered at the hands of the Picts 179 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: at the Battle of Necton's Mere. Macaque found Smith, who 180 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: at one time had been the president of her local 181 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,359 Speaker 1: women's rural Institute, to be an extremely credible witness, concluding 182 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: that her recollections of the Knight's events were at the 183 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: very least genuine to her, and a few elements of 184 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: the story stood out. In particular, insistence that the torches 185 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: had been read was puzzling at first, until Andrew Mackenzie 186 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: later made a discovery that was believed to have not 187 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: been known by Smith at the time. He discovered that 188 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: torches of that era were often made from the resinous 189 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: roots of Scott's fur, which in their natural state do 190 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: indeed have a distinctive red colour. Macagu was especially intrigued 191 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: by Smith's description of the movement of the men who 192 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: seemed to be walking in a curve around the field, 193 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and so it was with some surprise when he discovered 194 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: that back in the seventh century the field had in 195 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: fact been a small lock that had later been drained 196 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: and turned into farmland. His startling conclusion was that perhaps 197 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: the apparitions had merely been walking around the lock to 198 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: get to their fallen comrades. This revelation, he believed, was 199 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: ultimate proof of Smith's story, since it demonstrated that the 200 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: apparitions must have come from a time before the lock 201 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: had been Our second tale takes place only seven years 202 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: later in the county of Suffolk, in the southeast of England. 203 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: It is the birthplace of the Infamous, which find a 204 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: General Matthew Hopkins, whose reign of terror in the sixteen 205 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: forties resulted in many local women being murdered due to 206 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: egregious accusations of witchcraft. Nowadays, however, it is perhaps better 207 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: known for its tranquil wetlands and rich arable soil. It 208 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: is a county that echoes with bird song and the 209 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: music of rafe Vaughn Williams. A place where the earth 210 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: is as dark and rich as the sky is wide, 211 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a place perhaps best summed up by W. G. Seaboard's 212 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: exquisite travelog The Rings of Saturn. And so it is 213 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: to that place that we now travel. It is Sunday 214 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: morning in o October nineteen fifty seven. Up above the 215 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: skylarks ascend, chirrup, whistle, and shake as below them, three 216 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: young boys, equipped with a map and a compass, are 217 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: steadily making their way across the countryside. They are taking 218 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: part in an orienteering exercise organized by the Royal Navy Cadets. 219 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: The boys, who are all fifteen and brand new recruits, 220 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: are William Lang from Perthshire in Scotland, Ray Baker from London, 221 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: and Michael Crowley from the County of Worcestershire. Today their 222 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,119 Speaker 1: task is to locate a specific waypoint, record their findings 223 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: and then return to base camp to report back to 224 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: their superiors. Finally, after a few miles of trekking, the 225 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: boys were excitedly homing in on their mysterious destination. They 226 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: had been coming up a slight rise when they first 227 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: heard the sound of church bells as they approached the 228 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: top of the hill, they know to smoke rising from chimneys, 229 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: and the spire of a church towering prominently above a 230 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: small village. As they finally made it over the hill, 231 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the small community was revealed to them below, 232 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: and with the boys in agreement that this was indeed 233 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: where they were supposed to be, they continued their journey 234 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: down into the village. But as they got nearer, something 235 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: very peculiar happened. Part Way into the village was a 236 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: small stream that flowed over the road. As they approached it, 237 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: they became aware that something wasn't quite right. It was 238 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Michael who noticed it first, the silence. Only moments ago, 239 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: the church bells had been ringing and the sound of 240 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: bird song had filled the air, But now, as they 241 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: entered the village, the place was eerily silent, save for 242 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: the gentle trickling of the stream. As they carried on 243 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: over the ford, William noted that even the ducks seemed 244 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: unmoved by their arrival, and as for any sign of people, 245 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the place was completely deserted. It was then that they 246 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: noticed the trees. Only a few minutes earlier, they were 247 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: surrounded by a countryside decorated with the reddish golden browns 248 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: of autumnal leaves, but the leaves on the trees in 249 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: the village were anything but. Here, the leaves appeared to 250 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: be vibrantly green, almost as if it were springtime. As 251 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: the boys walked on, a strange picture was beginning to emerge. 252 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: All of the houses looked as if they were from 253 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: another age, hand built and slightly crooked in design. Some 254 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: were timber framed, and others looked positively medieval. Looking around, 255 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: they saw no sign of street lights or even aerials 256 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: on the houses. There was also no smoke coming from 257 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: the chimneys as they had seen before entering the village, 258 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: and absolutely no sign of the church that had been 259 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: so visible from the hill. Whats More, the wind had 260 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: completely dropped, with not even the leaves rustling in the trees, 261 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: and there was no sign of anybody anywhere. The boys 262 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: made their way over to a building with a green 263 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: door and a large front window split into smaller panes 264 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: that had not been washed in some time. They pressed 265 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: their noses to the glass. Just like the rest of 266 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: the village. The shop was deserted, but at the back 267 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: of the room, hanging on meat hooks were the skinned 268 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: carcasses of three large cows, the meat green and moldy, 269 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: having long ago turned putrid. Unnerved by what they had seen, 270 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: and somewhat in a daze, the boys soon found themselves 271 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: staring through the window of another building, but again found 272 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: no sign of life inside. The rooms completely emptied of 273 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: all furniture. Ray and Michael suggested knocking on some of 274 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: the doors, but William refused to move. Ever since entering 275 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: the village, a strange feeling had fallen over him. It 276 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: was an overwhelming sense of sadness and the unmistakable sensation 277 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: that they were being watched by unseen and unfriendly eyes. 278 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: The three boys hurriedly made their way back up the 279 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: track to the top of the hill. Finally satisfied that 280 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: they had reached a safe distance, the boys turned back 281 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and were amazed to find the village just as they 282 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: had seen it before. The smoke was again rising from 283 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: the chimneys, and the church spire stood tall and proud. 284 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: The autumnal colours had returned to the trees, and once 285 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: more the sound of the bells and bird song could 286 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: be heard all around a short time later, the boys 287 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: returned to base camp, and relayed their experiences to their 288 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: skeptical superiors. Despite their baffling description, the petty officers confirmed 289 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: the boys had indeed reached their designated waypoint. What they 290 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: had supposedly seen was the picturesque village of Cursey. It 291 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: wasn't until thirty years later that Michael Crowley and William Lang, 292 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: who by then were both living in Australia, contacted McKenzie 293 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: and relayed their extraordinary story. A few years later, mackenzie 294 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: revisited the village with Lang, and together they retraced just 295 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: what exactly had occurred that day, Much like doctor macarg 296 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: had been with Miss Smith in Scotland. Mackenzie was impressed 297 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: by Lang's sincerity and the detail of his description of 298 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: the events. Mackenzie ultimately came to the conclusion that what 299 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: the boys had experienced was not the Curzy of nineteen 300 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: fifty seven, but rather the village as it had been 301 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: in the fourteen twenties in the aftermath of the Great Plague. 302 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: Is it really possible that both the young Cadets and 303 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smith, and anyone else for that matter, could slip 304 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: unwittingly into another time? Perhaps not in the manner suggested 305 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: by Mackenzie, but in twenty eleven one man was to 306 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: make a remarkable claim that we might all, in a 307 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: sense be slipping in and out of time constantly. In 308 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: March of that year, a paper was published in the 309 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: Journal of Personality and Psychology titled Feeling the Future Experimental 310 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: Evidence for Anomalous retroactive Influences on Cognition and Effect. It 311 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: had been written by brilliant but controversial social psychologist of 312 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Cornell University in the States, called Professor Darrell Bemm. The 313 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: paper was extraordinary from its opening line to its mind 314 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: boggling conclusion. After all, it isn't often that a paper 315 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: published in an elite journal begins with a definition of 316 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: sci which he described as the anomalous processes of information 317 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: or energy transfer that are currently unexplained in terms of 318 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: known physical or biological mechanisms. It is even more of 319 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a rarity that a paper would then go on to 320 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: prove that such phenomena, an area most associated with telepathy, clairvoyance, 321 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: and psychokinesis, might actually be real. The paper presented the 322 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: results from a number of experiments involving over one thousand volunteers. 323 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: One such test was to have the volunteers study a 324 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: list of words, from which they would later be asked 325 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: to try and recall as many of the words as possible. 326 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Having completed this part of the experiment, the volunteers were 327 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: then given random words from the list that they were 328 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: then asked to type out as a counterintuitive act of reinforcement. Incredibly, 329 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: Bem's results seemed to suggest a direct correlation between the 330 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: words that the students had been able to recall and 331 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: the words that they were later asked to type out. 332 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: In essence, Bem had turned the notion of cause and 333 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: effect completely on its head. In another test, volunteers were 334 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: shown two curtain graphics on a computer screen, behind one 335 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: of which was a highly stimulant, erotic image. The volunteers 336 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: were then tasked with selecting correctly which curtain hid the 337 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: image completely. Random guesses would return a roughly fifty percent 338 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: success rate, but amazingly, Professor Bem recorded a fifty three 339 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: point one success rate. The difference may sound minimal, but 340 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: in statistical terms, it is dramatically significant. What Bem's paper 341 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: seemed to be saying was that everything we thought we 342 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: knew about the unidirectional nature of time was a fallacy. 343 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: Before long, however, there were suspicious rumblings amongst the scientific community. 344 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: Questions were asked about the validity of Bem's methodology and 345 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the lack of any other findings that might link with 346 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Bem's extraordinary claims, and ultimately, what distinguishes scientific theory from 347 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: fact is the reproducibility of the results. In two thousand twelve, 348 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: psychologists Stuart Ritchie, Richard Wiseman, and Chris French of the 349 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Universities of Edinburgh, Hertfordshire and Goldsmith's respectively made an unsuccessful 350 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: attempt to replicate Professor Behm's findings. Their attempts were repeated 351 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: in the same year by Jeff Gallick of Carnegie Mellone University, 352 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: who also failed to replicate Professor Behm's results. It remains 353 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: to be seen whether Bem's findings will gain a wider credibility. 354 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Bem stands resolutely by his findings. 355 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: One perhaps more rational, but in some ways no less extraordinary. 356 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: Explanation for the bizarre accounts of Elizabeth Smith and the 357 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: Three Cadets is a phenomenon known as derealisation. The experience 358 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: is thought to be brought on by a dysfunction in 359 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: the occipital or temporal lobe of the brain. The condition 360 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: can often leave sufferers with a sense of disassociation from 361 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: the external world, whereby familiar places suddenly become alien and surreal. 362 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Regardless of whether such a condition had afflicted Smith or 363 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: the young Boys, the suggestion brings to mind an intriguing 364 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: concept that I believe strikes at the heart of our 365 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: fascination with the notion of traveling back in time. The 366 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: term harntology was coined by French philosopher Jacques Derrida in 367 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: his nineteen ninety three book Specters of marx The State 368 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: of the Debt, the Work of Mourning, and the New International. 369 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: The word is a portmanteau of the words haunting and ontology, 370 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: the philosophical study of the nature of being. For Derida, 371 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: the term is essentially a play on the temporality of ideas, 372 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: or more precisely, the impossibility of eradicating knowledge or ideas, 373 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: in this case, as they would pertain to Marxist philosophy. 374 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: Once they have been conceived, from the moment they exist, 375 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: they remain forever a part of our collective knowledge, haunting 376 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: our perception of both the past and the future, the 377 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: implication being that only by returning to a time before 378 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the idea could we hope to imagine an alternate future 379 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: unshaped by that idea. And it is this that I 380 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: believe most resonates with us when fantasizing about the possibility 381 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: of traveling back in time. Not the fantasy that we 382 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: might exist in a different and more agreeable past, but 383 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: that by returning to that past we might realize a 384 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: different future. What tantalizes is the promise that our fate 385 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: could somehow be changed for the better, this currently being 386 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: an impossibility. To paraphrase the composer William Bazinski, we find 387 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: ourselves perversely left pining for futures that can never happen, 388 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: but continue to haunt us. Nonetheless, a concept that you 389 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: might say achieves physical form in the architecture around us, 390 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: perhaps no more strikingly than in places like the Barbercan 391 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: Center in London, a place now extant as a literal 392 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: Balladian testament to a vision of the future that never materialized. 393 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: Of course, change for the better, like all things, is 394 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: a relative term. For example, it is through concepts such 395 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: as horntology that we might better understand at least the 396 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: despotic fixation for burning books, or, in the recent case 397 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: of Isil, their destruction of ancient cultural artifacts. Such practices 398 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: form the practical reality of attempts to expunge the past 399 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: in the hope of creating a different future. The concept 400 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: of horntology was reinvigorated in the noughties by a number 401 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: of cultural theorists eager to apply the term to emergent 402 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: trends in art and pop culture, in particular with regards 403 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: to the growing sense that Western music and especially electronic music, 404 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: had reached an evolutionary could de sac. Perhaps most prominent 405 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: among them was the writer and theorist Mark Fischer, who 406 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: saw in the music of artists such as Burial or 407 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: the groups that perform under the ghost Box label, an 408 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: attempt to navigate away out of the culd de sac. 409 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: Fisher also recognized an unsettled nostalgia for the past that 410 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: in some ways was merely serving to reinvigorate the specters 411 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: of what those musicians saw as their many lost futures. 412 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: But what Fisher found most troubling, as mentioned in a 413 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: piece for the Fall two thousand twelve edition of Film Quarterly, 414 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: was the sense that we were losing the capacity to 415 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: conceive of a world radically different from the one in 416 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: which we currently live, that escape from the cul de 417 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: sac was an impossibility. And yet for those left despondent 418 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: at this notion, who mind for an escape from an 419 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: uncertain present, it is worth bearing in mind some of 420 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: the thoughts of Arthur Kessler, as addressed in his seminal 421 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: work The Ghost in the Machine. In a concept he 422 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: refers to as drawback to Leap, Kessler demonstrates that not 423 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: only is the history of evolution littered with cul de 424 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: sacs and dead ends, but that some of the greatest 425 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: revolutions in science, art, and biology were dependent on them. 426 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: That it isn't until periods of cumulative progress reached their 427 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: inevitable stagnation that we are left with no alternative but 428 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: to go back and find a new way out, as exemplified, 429 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: for example, by the way in which Pablo Picasso's reversal 430 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: to primitivism enabled him to forge a brand new paradigm 431 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: in cubism. So for anyone feeling afraid that the future 432 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: they invested so much hope in seems to be disappearing 433 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: before their eyes, worry not that it is the end. 434 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Not only might it merely be the drawback before the leap, 435 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: but also remember that the past, present, and future is now. 436 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: Perhaps those lost futures aren't specters after all, but real 437 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: attainable spaces just waiting for you to arrive. Thank you 438 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: as ever for listening. Unexplained as an AV Club Productions 439 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: podcast created by Richard McLain Smith. 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