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Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm going to start with one that I know

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Speaker 1: is near and dear to you. You're an OJ Bronco fan,

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Speaker 1: an og OJ Bronco fan, You've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: these things, and I want to talk about the new

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Speaker 1: Ford Broncho Raptor. And the thing I'll say about this

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Speaker 1: vehicle is they should have put more animals in the name,

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Speaker 1: like should have been Broncho Raptor, Gator, aucelot, What are you, crocodile?

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Speaker 1: I just learned about the II, that little primate that

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Speaker 1: can pick its nose with a really long finger. Throw

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Speaker 1: that in there. Yeah, the Broncho Raptor. That's my guy,

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Speaker 1: Ezra Dyer, the northeaster of automotive journalism who moved down

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Speaker 1: south so he could drive more four by fours in

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Speaker 1: the mud. He's now the Carolina's editor for Crrent Driver,

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Speaker 1: and he was driving big, stupid SUVs before the rest

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Speaker 1: of America discovered them. He's going to help us sort

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Speaker 1: out this year's crop of SUVs. On deck this week

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Speaker 1: are the Ford Bronco Raptor, the Honda CRV, the Genesis

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Speaker 1: GV seventy, and of course the all new Range Rover.

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Speaker 1: I'm Eddie Alterman and this is car show. I think

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Speaker 1: this is the equivalent of, you know, the most luxurious

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Speaker 1: luxury car interior. It's not perfect, it's not Apple, it's Samsung.

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Speaker 1: The Ford Bronco Raptor takes the already ridiculous Bronco and

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Speaker 1: ridiculates it further. Ford bumps the twin TURBOV six out

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Speaker 1: to three leaders and four hundred and eighteen horsepower, straps

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Speaker 1: on thirty seven inch tires, and fits a suspension that

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Speaker 1: travels farther than buzz Aldrin. It's an off road mountain goat,

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Speaker 1: but is it the goat? So first of all, that

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Speaker 1: vehicle should appeal to me completely because it's an overkill Bronco.

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Speaker 1: But my only thing is I feel like maybe it's

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Speaker 1: not quite overkill enough under the hood. Everywhere else, of course,

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Speaker 1: suspension is ridiculous. It has fender flares that are made

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Speaker 1: of half of rubber Maid's annual production. I think is

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Speaker 1: now going to Ford Bronco fender flares. I drove it

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Speaker 1: out at Car Driver's said best Testing, and it is

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Speaker 1: quite a singular machine. Well, it only has twin turbo

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Speaker 1: three leader V six. It doesn't have a big honkin

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Speaker 1: the eight like they put in the Raptor R and

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Speaker 1: it makes a paltry four hundred and eighteen horsepower. Right,

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Speaker 1: don't you feel like they pulled a punch there? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what they couldn't fit the three point five leader boost

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Speaker 1: in it. It's kind of ridiculous, right. But the other

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Speaker 1: thing is the Broncho itself is so dog slow that

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Speaker 1: this thing feels like to me, it feels like this

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Speaker 1: is what the Bronco should have been to start with,

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Speaker 1: Like this should be the base Bronco because it actually

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Speaker 1: gets out of its own way, and the gearing isn't

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Speaker 1: crazy because it's got that ten speed automatic. I love

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Speaker 1: you've got that super short stump pulling first gear and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the gears are super lazy, and it's

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Speaker 1: just like it doesn't accelerate. I don't know, I think

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Speaker 1: this should have been the base Broncho. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't help, but they only give you the manual

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Speaker 1: with the four cylinder. But yeah, they do offer I

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Speaker 1: saw they just come out with a reflash for it

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Speaker 1: where they'll jack up basically the four cylinder to the

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Speaker 1: V six power and the V six you can make

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Speaker 1: a little bit more and they'll give it REV matching

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Speaker 1: on the downship. So they've kind of sported up the

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Speaker 1: base Bronco maybe before it already realized that they realize that,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, maybe we should have made this thing

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Speaker 1: a little bit puncher in the first place, because it's

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Speaker 1: a big rig. Yeah, and especially by the time you

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Speaker 1: get to the Broncho Raptor, which is like a Bronco

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Speaker 1: and a half. You know what, the Ford always leaves

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Speaker 1: themselves and out to do a little bit more down

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Speaker 1: the line, and they probably figure morons are paying one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand for these things anyway, So let's

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Speaker 1: just let's leave ourselves some headroom to drop a three

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Speaker 1: point five minute two years from now and go Tedda

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Speaker 1: keep some powder dry, right, Yeah, then it'll be the

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Speaker 1: Bronco Raptor, are at exactly right, that'll need the awesolet

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Speaker 1: edition Texas Rodeo. However, they're going to sell it in

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Speaker 1: you know, different regional markets and that'll be there. That'll

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Speaker 1: be their big thing. But for me, I just aesthetically,

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Speaker 1: could have been done almost any other way would be

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Speaker 1: more elegant than the way they did it. It's funny

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Speaker 1: and I think this should be sort of the base Broncho.

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Speaker 1: As I said, I think it's a wonderful soft, compliant

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Speaker 1: to a funeral. This is like, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: would hope someone would drive a Bronco Raptor to my

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Speaker 1: funeral and rip some donuts or something. It's got crazy

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Speaker 1: take it off road really much, but it is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the king of off road of anything you

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Speaker 1: the factory, which is amazing. And ridiculous. It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And I've driven this thing off road and it's almost

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Speaker 1: like an autonomous vehicle off road. It just goes anywhere

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Speaker 1: you put it, you lock the axles, the thing just

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Speaker 1: thing is so incredibly capable off road, this kind of

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Speaker 1: a miracle that it drives as civilly as it does

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Speaker 1: on road. I feel like it's more civil than your

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Speaker 1: average cheap wrangler on road. But here's my problem with

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Speaker 1: super duper capable vehicles like that is part of the

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Speaker 1: thrill of off roading is not being sure whether you're

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Speaker 1: going to get back out. Yeah, so what kind of

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Speaker 1: really wondering whether you're going to get back out. It's

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Speaker 1: because really, how are you going to get that thing stuck?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people will, people will find ways. So there

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Speaker 1: ultimately here? Yeah, but it's very hard to do, and

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Speaker 1: as a left brain thinker. It is a paradox of

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Speaker 1: is that they're really comfortable on road. You know, when

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Speaker 1: to ride real nice? Yeah, on the broken pavement of

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Speaker 1: our reality. I think that's part of the reason for

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Speaker 1: the popularity of these things is that people like the

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Speaker 1: way they look. Obviously, and everybody wants to have more

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Speaker 1: capability than they really need in their vehicle. But it

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Speaker 1: capability of these things translates to actual enjoyability on the street.

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Speaker 1: You're just smothering every thing that comes your way out,

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Speaker 1: speed bombs, speed up right right exactly, get a little

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Speaker 1: air if you can, You'll land like a cat. You know. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to something that's altogether more sane and

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Speaker 1: much more mainstream and enters one of the most hotly

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Speaker 1: contested segments there is, which is the compact luxury SUV segment,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the Genesis GV seventy. The GV seventy,

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Speaker 1: as the Alpha numerics imply, is the suv version of

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Speaker 1: the Genesis G seventy sports Sedan, although I'm not exactly

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Speaker 1: sure what the V actually means here, vigorous anyway, it's

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Speaker 1: darn vivacious, offering your choice of a two point five

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Speaker 1: interiors this side of a Bentley Mosan. They just murdered

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Speaker 1: it with this one. They knocked it out of the park.

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Speaker 1: They picked the exact right midway point in the segment

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Speaker 1: between the super Doughey soft squishy Lexus r X and

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Speaker 1: This thing is just like splitting it right down the middle.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on this thing? They did somehow manage

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Speaker 1: everything is benchmarked against everything else, and there's only so

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Speaker 1: many ways you can draw a two box shape. Everything

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Speaker 1: they came up with an interesting look for one thing,

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Speaker 1: But Genesis, they came out with a cool looking front end.

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Speaker 1: saying that it's distinctive because it's so chromed out and

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Speaker 1: it is when you see it, and you know, assuming

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Speaker 1: it looks way better than it been taken. That's for

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Speaker 1: damn sure. You're gonna mistake it for Eventley. Bentley wishes

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Speaker 1: it could look like a GB seventy, but also on

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Speaker 1: the inside too, it has just fantastic materials and interesting colors.

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Speaker 1: of Lexus of your I would say, like you just

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Speaker 1: because you know Lexus when it came out in nineteen

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Speaker 1: those vehicles. The Koreans have a slightly different approach. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're totally vertically integrated. They make their own steel, they do,

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Speaker 1: but they can deliver so much value for so little money.

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Speaker 1: And this thing starts at forty three thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: it's got like one hundred thousand dollars worth of interior

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Speaker 1: in it. It's just incredibly good swayed everywhere you can

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Speaker 1: get contrast stitching and piping you can get different color

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Speaker 1: seatbelts like a Porsche. It's just nuts in there, and

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Speaker 1: it's really good to drive. It's the other thing, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in which Genesis they weren't always you know, they ramped

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Speaker 1: that's not a you know, a finely honed sporting machine

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Speaker 1: especially with the V six, it sounds good, it's fast,

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Speaker 1: it's fun to drive without having that overtly sporty edginess

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Speaker 1: I get it, it's sporty. Ok. I don't need to

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Speaker 1: my midsized crossover, right. Genesis gets that. Yeah, It's like

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Speaker 1: the engine is sporty, but it rides like a jag.

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Speaker 1: So it feels like it's escalated size on the exterior,

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Speaker 1: but inside it's kind of snug. Well, that's that's part

425
00:25:25,516 --> 00:25:29,036
Speaker 1: of the extravagance, the extravagance of wasted space, right. You

426
00:25:29,076 --> 00:25:30,916
Speaker 1: know when you have that the tumble Home, you know

427
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Speaker 1: they could have made the body side straight up and down.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at it, like from the back,

429
00:25:34,556 --> 00:25:37,796
Speaker 1: and it looks like you've got a TP on top

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00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:41,036
Speaker 1: of a square basically because the roof can's in so hard.

431
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Speaker 1: That makes it look cool, but that also makes it

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Speaker 1: less practical inside. But look, the least practical things are

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Speaker 1: the ones that command the most money. When they're making

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Speaker 1: the two door Ranger over the last generation that was

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Speaker 1: the most expensive one, and people will pay premium to

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Speaker 1: be inconvenient if it looks cool. That's true, Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: work a little bit harder for style to suffer a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And it is one thing about the Ranger

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Speaker 1: over that as expensive as it is and always has been,

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Speaker 1: it still represents kind of a bargain because you do say, well,

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Speaker 1: what's above this? What am I going to get that's

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Speaker 1: better than this for an SUV? And the answer is

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00:26:18,196 --> 00:26:20,796
Speaker 1: usually there isn't one. Yeah, I mean the g Wagon

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Speaker 1: I think is sort of in that same sort of

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Speaker 1: zip code, that same sort of you know zone, but

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Speaker 1: it's cruder, it's you know, it's not quite as refined,

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00:26:33,636 --> 00:26:37,436
Speaker 1: and it's more money when you think it's also one

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00:26:37,516 --> 00:26:43,116
Speaker 1: might say an acquired taste. Yeah, I've acquired it. You've

449
00:26:43,156 --> 00:26:46,116
Speaker 1: got to have You've gotta have a g Wagon attitude.

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Speaker 1: After the break, Ezra and I will rank all four SUVs.

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00:27:03,516 --> 00:27:06,076
Speaker 1: We're back and it's time to decide which of these

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Speaker 1: four SUVs make it through to the final round. All

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Speaker 1: four of these vehicles are pretty spectacular in their own way,

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00:27:22,916 --> 00:27:26,996
Speaker 1: from the kind of entry level or starter levels CRV

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Speaker 1: all the way up to the range Rover and sort

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Speaker 1: of everything in between, where do you net out? Like,

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Speaker 1: so I would put the Broncho Raptor last just because

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Speaker 1: it has some it is further to go. I would

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Speaker 1: agree with that because yes, a you feel like they

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00:27:42,356 --> 00:27:44,796
Speaker 1: pulled a few punches despite how ridiculous it is in

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00:27:44,836 --> 00:27:48,396
Speaker 1: so many ways. But also it's a very focused, niche thing,

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00:27:49,236 --> 00:27:52,796
Speaker 1: and it's always easier to build something that's highly specialized

463
00:27:52,796 --> 00:27:54,996
Speaker 1: and highly compromise. In other way, it's like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be great offer of a get horrible mileage

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Speaker 1: and cost a lot and on and on and on,

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Speaker 1: but be really good at this one thing. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot harder to make something like a CRV that's good

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Speaker 1: at a lot of things and appeals to a lot

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00:28:08,556 --> 00:28:11,036
Speaker 1: of people will out being boring. Like the more you

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Speaker 1: spend building something and the more you charge for it,

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00:28:14,156 --> 00:28:16,436
Speaker 1: the better it can be. Really and so a two

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00:28:16,556 --> 00:28:19,516
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar range Rover to me is not such

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00:28:19,556 --> 00:28:22,676
Speaker 1: a huge achievement, you know, it's not a quantum leap forward.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's my number three vehicle in this bracket. Like,

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Speaker 1: I think the range Rover is great. I love it,

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00:28:28,796 --> 00:28:33,036
Speaker 1: super desirable, somewhat non vehicular in its movements, sort of

477
00:28:33,036 --> 00:28:36,036
Speaker 1: like driving a couch. But man, I want one. I

478
00:28:36,076 --> 00:28:38,876
Speaker 1: think they're super cool and I like it's the perfect

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00:28:38,916 --> 00:28:41,956
Speaker 1: thing to pull into the fancy grocery store with. Yeah,

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00:28:41,996 --> 00:28:44,956
Speaker 1: it's like I want a Hinkley yacht too, right, I

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00:28:44,996 --> 00:28:48,596
Speaker 1: want to Wally b. Yeah, but it is easier to

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00:28:48,636 --> 00:28:51,596
Speaker 1: build a Hinkley yacht than it is to build something

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Speaker 1: that's going to be accessible for everybody. As we've said,

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Speaker 1: with a lot of cars in that price range for

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Speaker 1: that amount of money, it ought to be great. It is,

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Speaker 1: but it ought to be Yeah, the execution matches expectations.

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00:29:06,356 --> 00:29:09,236
Speaker 1: So so I see where you're going. Is CRV and

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Speaker 1: GB seventy, which are both excellent vehicles and yet had

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Speaker 1: to be built to a price. They had to be

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Speaker 1: built to a price, but you can't really tell exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think the one that overachieves there is the

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Speaker 1: GB seventy. It's so incredibly good. That's my top pick.

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Speaker 1: That's the one I'm pushing forward. It came out of nowhere,

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00:29:33,076 --> 00:29:37,076
Speaker 1: blew everybody's minds split the segment exactly down the middle.

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Speaker 1: The most I think buyer appeal of anything in that

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Speaker 1: segment for the widest possible buyer a little bit like CRV,

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00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:48,676
Speaker 1: to be honest, But the CRV is just like, it's

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00:29:48,716 --> 00:29:51,316
Speaker 1: not as cool as a GB seventy. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: an incredible achievement, and it's incrementally better than the last one,

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Speaker 1: which is also a great achievement. But the GB seventy

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00:29:57,996 --> 00:29:59,996
Speaker 1: is just like, that's a moon shot to me. So

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Speaker 1: are we only picking one here? Only picking one to

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Speaker 1: go forward? We're only picking one? Well, Eddy, I hate

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00:30:06,156 --> 00:30:10,116
Speaker 1: to agree with you on everything, but you know, if

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Speaker 1: I look at this as which one of these would

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00:30:13,156 --> 00:30:15,756
Speaker 1: I actually want to go by? Now, Like, if I

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Speaker 1: were laying my own money on the line, which is

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Speaker 1: the most compelling vehicle that I would want to go get?

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Speaker 1: It would be the GB seventy. That's a car that

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00:30:24,196 --> 00:30:27,956
Speaker 1: I would want to show up in. It's got desirability,

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00:30:28,036 --> 00:30:33,516
Speaker 1: it's got curb appeal, super comfortable, great user interface, all

512
00:30:33,596 --> 00:30:38,436
Speaker 1: the things all right, and actually, which I regard as

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00:30:38,436 --> 00:30:41,716
Speaker 1: a bonus anti badge appeal. A lot of people don't

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00:30:41,796 --> 00:30:44,916
Speaker 1: know what a genesis is still, So you're not paying

515
00:30:45,476 --> 00:30:48,316
Speaker 1: whatever the tariff is on that Mercedes Star on your hood,

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00:30:48,636 --> 00:30:51,636
Speaker 1: You're not paying that for a genesis. They're strivers. They're

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00:30:51,636 --> 00:30:54,636
Speaker 1: trying to overtake those other companies, and you can really

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00:30:54,636 --> 00:30:59,036
Speaker 1: tell from their products. Yeah, they're just trying harder, they're

519
00:30:59,036 --> 00:31:03,156
Speaker 1: working it and they're sweating every little detail. Yeah, they

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00:31:03,196 --> 00:31:06,516
Speaker 1: want that badge to mean something in the future. I

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00:31:06,596 --> 00:31:08,956
Speaker 1: still feel like, if you pick up one of those

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00:31:09,196 --> 00:31:12,516
Speaker 1: right now, you're early. You're leading the way, right, You're

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00:31:12,556 --> 00:31:16,996
Speaker 1: a thought leader, You're an early adopter. No one ever

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00:31:16,996 --> 00:31:21,236
Speaker 1: says that to me, but yeah, hypothetically I'm a thoughlier. Yeah, yes,

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00:31:22,156 --> 00:31:33,676
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with the GV seventy. Moving on, Okay, great, excellent.

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00:31:33,716 --> 00:31:37,716
Speaker 1: So this luxury compact SUV slays the range Rover, it

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00:31:37,916 --> 00:31:44,556
Speaker 1: slays the stalwart Honda CRV, and it slays ultimately the

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Speaker 1: multi species Broncho Raptor. Thank you, Ezra. You are hilarious

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00:31:51,756 --> 00:31:55,476
Speaker 1: and great and so full of insight. Can't thank you enough. Man,

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00:31:55,796 --> 00:32:00,396
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Man. Now, Producer Sam Dingman and

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00:32:00,436 --> 00:32:03,036
Speaker 1: I get behind the wheel of the GV seventy to

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00:32:03,156 --> 00:32:08,956
Speaker 1: see what the fuss is all about. I just noticed

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00:32:09,156 --> 00:32:14,276
Speaker 1: seatbelts are cut. Look, I mean, look at the level

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00:32:14,316 --> 00:32:17,716
Speaker 1: of detail and this thing. You can tell that the

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00:32:17,756 --> 00:32:23,756
Speaker 1: guy who designed this designed Bentley's and Lamborghinis. I mean,

536
00:32:23,876 --> 00:32:29,036
Speaker 1: it is so deluxe and it's so beautifully executed. Look

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00:32:29,076 --> 00:32:34,276
Speaker 1: at this line, this line of chrome that starts at

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00:32:34,316 --> 00:32:39,276
Speaker 1: the door, the back of the door, goes through the vents,

539
00:32:39,676 --> 00:32:44,636
Speaker 1: kicks up over the instrument binnacle, which is has this

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00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:48,196
Speaker 1: exposed stitch by the way, then goes through all these

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00:32:48,236 --> 00:32:51,236
Speaker 1: other vents around to the other door, and just creates

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00:32:51,276 --> 00:32:57,956
Speaker 1: this kind of seamless connected interior space. And you know

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00:32:58,316 --> 00:33:02,956
Speaker 1: this design, this eyebrow design over the binnacle kind of

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00:33:02,956 --> 00:33:06,276
Speaker 1: repeats in the third stoplight. I mean, there's all these

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00:33:06,356 --> 00:33:11,036
Speaker 1: little touches that are so incredibly thoughtful and smart, and

546
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:14,476
Speaker 1: just like this is hard stuff to do, especially at

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00:33:14,516 --> 00:33:17,716
Speaker 1: this price point. I mean, I think this is the

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Speaker 1: equivalent of, you know, the most luxurious luxury car interior.

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00:33:22,916 --> 00:33:29,996
Speaker 1: It's not perfect, it's not Apple, it's Samsung. Okay, let's

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00:33:30,076 --> 00:33:31,836
Speaker 1: drive it a little, let's take it out. Okay. So

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00:33:31,876 --> 00:33:36,796
Speaker 1: I'm turning the crystal neurld gear selector to drive, and

552
00:33:37,356 --> 00:33:40,276
Speaker 1: we're going to drive this car in its native habitat.

553
00:33:40,596 --> 00:33:42,556
Speaker 1: I do have to admit turning the knob to shift

554
00:33:42,596 --> 00:33:44,116
Speaker 1: gears did feel a little bit like I was turning

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00:33:44,156 --> 00:33:47,716
Speaker 1: on a washing machine, It's true. And then you have

556
00:33:48,156 --> 00:33:50,196
Speaker 1: you park it or you put it in park by

557
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:55,236
Speaker 1: pushing the cycle button. Yeah, okay, now we're back and drive.

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00:33:56,356 --> 00:34:00,156
Speaker 1: The ride is so supple, the transmission is just silky smooth,

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00:34:00,556 --> 00:34:02,596
Speaker 1: and yet at the same time there's a little growl

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00:34:02,676 --> 00:34:06,476
Speaker 1: in the engine. You know, it's sort of having it

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00:34:06,556 --> 00:34:11,436
Speaker 1: both ways. It's it really is like, you know, it's

562
00:34:11,436 --> 00:34:16,116
Speaker 1: your lexus in your BMW all in one right, right,

563
00:34:16,996 --> 00:34:21,636
Speaker 1: it's that middle ground. It is just absolutely serene. There's

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00:34:21,956 --> 00:34:25,356
Speaker 1: no wind noise, not a lot of tire noise. It

565
00:34:25,436 --> 00:34:30,476
Speaker 1: just really calms you down and keeps you kind of fresh.

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00:34:30,556 --> 00:34:35,756
Speaker 1: You know, all the glass is coded non reflective quiet glass.

567
00:34:35,756 --> 00:34:38,156
Speaker 1: I mean you see that in all luxury cars. But

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00:34:38,596 --> 00:34:43,316
Speaker 1: it's not only the decibel reading. It's also the quality

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Speaker 1: of the sound. And the quality of sound is really

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00:34:45,636 --> 00:34:49,356
Speaker 1: good in here. I think it's really really dry and

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Speaker 1: nice and you know. Calming Car Show is written and

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00:34:58,756 --> 00:35:03,076
Speaker 1: hosted by me Eddie Alterman. It's produced by Emily Rosstec

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Speaker 1: and Jacob Smith. Our editor is Karen Shakerge. Original music

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Speaker 1: and mastering by Ben Holliday. Our executive producer is Mia Loebell.

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Speaker 1: Our show art was designed by Sean Karney and airbrushed

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Speaker 1: by Greg la Fever special thanks to Sam Dingman, producer extraordinaire.

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Speaker 1: We really had to twist his arm to get him

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Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. Our patron saints, as always are

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Speaker 1: we Tom Allad and Justine Lane. Car Show is a

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