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Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, He's a literal titan across

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Speaker 2: He's a true icon in every sense of the word.

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Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being to Grace's planet.

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Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is you are about to embark

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Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as

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Speaker 1: psychological nudity. This is stu Goox and this is Stupidity.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Jim Hody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another episode of Stupotoity, the biggest podcast in

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Speaker 2: the world thanks to you, bigging an Oprah. I haven't

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Speaker 2: done that in a while. I think there's more there,

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Speaker 2: but I forgot how to do it. Guys, it's been

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 4: Do you miss this?

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Speaker 5: Describe, rate and review, unsubscribed, resubscribe.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe review. By doing that, you have made us the

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Speaker 2: biggest podcast in the world, bigger than Oprah.

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Speaker 4: There you go. That's what it was.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks. That was when I was ahead of Oprah.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I had a run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're never gonna get never gonna get back there, right,

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Speaker 4: bigger than Oprah?

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Speaker 2: Uh no, no, not if every four months. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's not the way that.

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Speaker 4: Let's see how Oprah is doing, I.

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Speaker 2: Think, but you're checking the actual records.

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Speaker 4: I don't know even Yeah, I'll get back to you.

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Speaker 2: I think she stopped doing the podcast. I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: so did I.

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Speaker 4: So that's going around.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's contagious.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, do I have bad news for you. Two

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Speaker 4: guts laid on me. There's over as multiple podcasts here,

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Speaker 4: so big it's bigger than one of them, well, probably

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Speaker 4: all of them. If I were to guess, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that all her podcasts are bigger than this one.

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Speaker 4: If I were to guess, yeah, i'd say that a

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Speaker 4: bigger than this one. Yeah, okay, Obrah notoriously has a

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Speaker 4: large following, so I think it's safe to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you shocked when I tell you that for

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Speaker 2: two weeks, I was the biggest podcast in the world.

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Speaker 2: This was the biggest podcast in the world for two weeks,

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Speaker 2: two or three weeks.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's fun with numbers, right, Like, it's just

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Speaker 4: it shows up differently on the thing because a new subscribers.

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Speaker 4: So like there was a time where you had the

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Speaker 4: most subscribed, but it was like it went from like

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Speaker 4: zero to whatever the number was, which is like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but hey, you did it. I've never done it, so.

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Speaker 2: I did it right. Not many people can say that

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Speaker 2: for two weeks they were bigger than Oprah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big deal.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy James is going to join us.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting story. He retired to the age

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Speaker 4: Huh, Julia Louis Dreyfus as a podcast he does number

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So Jimmy James, he played Golf Digest one hundred

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Speaker 2: He is my idol. He's played Augusta, He's played all

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Speaker 4: Billy, Yeah, probably what's the idea out there that someone

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Speaker 2: This is the idea. It's my wheelhouse. It is. Are

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Speaker 5: I don't play golf.

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Speaker 4: Listen, you gotta take it up. It's a great game.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you a gentleman's Since since the last episode

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Speaker 2: So how'd you play? There? You go?

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Speaker 4: Surprisingly not terrible? I was okay, I was decent. Yeah, twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was telling uh, Mikey, I was telling Steve Guts,

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Speaker 4: And then my next question, completely unrelated, was so raheem

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Speaker 4: two together Masterfully's like you want to are you asking

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Speaker 2: Run.

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Speaker 5: I gotta feel like there's a real in this episode.

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Speaker 5: I gotta feel there's gonna be a lot of that

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Speaker 2: Listen, you have you have the things that you care about,

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Speaker 5: Get me on AUGUSTA, cobook me and you write it together.

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Speaker 5: You do the eighteenth hole. We go visit golf courses,

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Speaker 2: So I write about the eighteenth hole, the eighteen holes

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Speaker 2: Exactly What is Billy gonna do? I mean, man, Billy,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to have to write your part.

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Speaker 4: I have a name for it. I have a name

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Speaker 2: So we're not only going to play the courses. We're

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Speaker 5: There you go at the one hundred and one best courses.

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Speaker 2: Leave some courses out there. All right, Let's speak to

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Speaker 2: Jimmy James. He has a book out. It's out right now.

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Speaker 2: It's doing very very well. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 2: Personal Journey through America's one hundred greatest golf Courses, and

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Speaker 2: Jimmy joins us right now. Again. The book is out

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Speaker 2: And Jimmy's telling us that he is competing with Ben

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Speaker 3: Jimmy on Amazon playing from the Rough and Ben Hogan's

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Speaker 2: So how'd you get the idea to write the book, Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: So first came the idea, of course, to do something

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Speaker 3: It was just math. A hundred is one hundred, right,

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Speaker 3: So it was like, I'm going to play one hundred courses.

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Speaker 3: I more than not I didn't know. I'd never heard

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Speaker 2: Like wait, but Jimmy, these are impossible courses to get on,

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Speaker 2: Like did you have to plan this out? How'd you

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Speaker 6: And so my dream was, I'm going to play this

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna ever ask.

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Speaker 2: You would just show it up at courses.

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Speaker 4: What do you do now? Like what's your next adventure?

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Speaker 3: Never be bitter about it. You'll you won't spend the

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Speaker 2: Con Jimmy, I love that, and I love you. I

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Speaker 2: more with each passing second here. Okay, check out his

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Speaker 4: Billy, go ahead, What was the toughest course for you

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Speaker 3: first meeting, damn, and not much gets in her way

440
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Speaker 3: at all. I mean, she puts her mind, she puts

441
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Speaker 3: her mind to doing something. She's the dean at the

442
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Speaker 3: Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. Now she puts

443
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Speaker 3: her mind to something, She's going to get it done.

444
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Speaker 4: And you guys are bold. Just asking get to these

445
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Speaker 4: places is incredible.

446
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Speaker 3: I got I didn't ask, she asked.

447
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Speaker 2: I said. I said Jimmy was the smartest guy on

448
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Speaker 2: the planet. I take it back, i'me the smartest person

449
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Speaker 2: in his own family.

450
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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I'm not even the smart It's like

451
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Speaker 7: Jack Nicholas said when they were asking him about about

452
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Speaker 7: Wingfoot and telling house courses if it was the best

453
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Speaker 7: course telling house in the country.

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Speaker 3: He said, this is not even the best one on

455
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Speaker 3: Griffin Avenue because Quaker Ridge was across the street. I

456
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Speaker 3: am not the smartest one in my family.

457
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Speaker 2: So wait, So your wife asked if anyone knew anyone

458
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Speaker 2: in Augusta, and from there what happened.

459
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Speaker 3: One of an Atlanta businessman, Lynn Rogers, said that he

460
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Speaker 3: knew Danny Yates and he'd see if Danny would have

461
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 3: an opportunity to one day invite me to Augusta. And

462
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Speaker 3: so I played Augusta with Danny Yates.

463
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Speaker 2: Wow, uh, get Danny Yates on the podcast?

464
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Speaker 4: Okay, I.

465
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Speaker 3: Don't know. Yeah.

466
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Speaker 2: But the larger point, the great point here, the great story,

467
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Speaker 2: the great lesson that you're teaching everyone is it doesn't

468
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Speaker 2: hurt to ask, right, Well.

469
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Speaker 3: So it didn't. It doesn't hurt to ask. I write

470
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Speaker 3: about that, So I didn't ask people though I didn't.

471
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Speaker 3: But what I do say in playing from the Rough

472
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Speaker 3: is that I'd learned to not be afraid of no,

473
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Speaker 3: because no doesn't mean I can't or won't. It means

474
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Speaker 3: I can't or won't with that person. There's always other

475
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Speaker 3: opportunities around the corner. Right. That's the thing I've learned

476
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Speaker 3: most in life is to never quit, to never give up.

477
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Speaker 3: And I freely say I have no special talents. I

478
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: can't sing, I can't dance. I'm an average athlete. But

479
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: what I do have is perseverance, forged from a life

480
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: where even the simplest things were hard, from a mother

481
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Speaker 3: who raised eight kids in poverty, and not a single

482
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Speaker 3: one of us spent one moment of our adult lives

483
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Speaker 3: in poverty because we have we had a mother that

484
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: never quit.

485
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Speaker 2: But Jimmy, you do agree with me that you know,

486
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Speaker 2: unless you open your mouth and ask for something or

487
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Speaker 2: say something and you don't know what the answer is

488
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: going to be right, I mean, you got to You

489
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Speaker 2: gotta gimm any kid you can't.

490
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Speaker 3: So one of the things I have to do here.

491
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: Two other things I have to do. I have to

492
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Speaker 3: sell my ideas, my idea of playing the top one

493
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: hundred and a year to folks. It helps when you

494
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Speaker 3: can say I played augusta first, uh so, to be fair,

495
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: But I also had to in a sense sell myself

496
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: that you got. I mean, people have to like you.

497
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Speaker 3: If they don't like you, they don't want to be

498
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Speaker 3: around it and so, and I asked my wife, because

499
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: she's very smart all the time. I don't know why

500
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: people like me. I actually honestly don't because I'm just

501
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: me all the time. So there's nothing I do or

502
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: don't do or whatever. I'm just mean. I learned that

503
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: from my mother. My mother was never not herself. Ever

504
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: we went on. I took her on a trip. You know,

505
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: you got to remember, I grew up in a shack,

506
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: no plumbing, no electricity. If we didn't kill it, raise

507
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: it or grow, we didn't need it. I ate raccoons, squirrels, possums, robins,

508
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: you name it. When I was in college, I was

509
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: doing an internship in Washington, d C. My brothers and

510
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: sisters and.

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Speaker 8: I put our mindy together, got my mother a ticket

512
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Speaker 8: to fly her up to DC, and I drove her

513
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Speaker 8: to New York.

514
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I drove over to New York. And

515
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: she walked through the World Trade Center and pink slippers,

516
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: fluffy pink slippers. She had her own sense of who

517
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: she was, her own principles. They were simple, don't lie,

518
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: don't steal, don't talk bad about other people. Not once

519
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: in her entire life did I ever hear my mother

520
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: utter a disparaging word about anyone, even the people who

521
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: treated her like dirt. So getting back to what you

522
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: ask about, Yeah, you got to ask, You got to

523
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Speaker 3: close the deal. You got to ask for the sale,

524
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: to get the sale, and there's always another opportunity. I

525
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: learned that from my mother. Whatever the challenge, you deal

526
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Speaker 3: with it. She didn't play off. But if she did,

527
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: she'd have never ask for relief. She'd always played the

528
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Speaker 3: ball as it lies, you with life as it comes.

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Speaker 2: You're teaching me lessons here, Jimmy. So with all that said,

530
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: that's that's who she was.

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Speaker 3: And and don't complain about stuff. Right, everybody has challenges

532
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: and to each person, their challenge is daunting.

533
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Sure, So Jimmy, you're teaching me life lessons here. And

534
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: so with everything you just taught us, and with all

535
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: that said, I am going to ask you to ask

536
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Speaker 2: your wife to get me and my dad on Augusta.

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00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jimmy, You like me, you'd like

538
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: me even more to Augusta.

539
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 3: I tell you that one you know what, you are

540
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: closer to that happening, because if you never asked, you'd

541
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Speaker 3: never have the opportunity. You got at least ask.

542
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: All right, so how does this work. We'll get back

543
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: to me. What are we doing here?

544
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

545
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, really you're gonna get back to you. Listen me

546
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: and my dad answer.

547
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'll get back to you with.

548
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: I have.

549
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: I have an inclination.

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00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't want a big no, but I will tell you.

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Speaker 6: I will tell you this, and I am honestly and

552
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Speaker 6: sincere and all this. I was talking to friends about

553
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 6: this last night.

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Speaker 3: Now, if it's Cyprus Point, I play Cypress Point probably

555
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Speaker 3: every opportunity I get. And of the the the top courses,

556
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: Cypress Point is actually the easiest one to get on

557
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: because they allow unaccompanied play the first two groups every morning.

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Speaker 3: So one of the hardest things about this whole thing

559
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: is you got to link up schedules because a lot

560
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: of these courses, the people don't live around the course,

561
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Speaker 3: so you got to you gotta link up your schedule

562
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Speaker 3: with their schedule. That's a race. When playing Cypress Point,

563
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: you just have to you know a member. That member

564
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 3: gets you on and you can take three buddies and

565
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: now you can't go in the clubhouse and you can't

566
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Speaker 3: practice on the range, but you get to play Cypress.

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Speaker 9: The other courses, it's it's it's it's a lot obviously

568
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Speaker 9: a lot harder to do and to range and to

569
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Speaker 9: range to play them.

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Speaker 2: But with Cypress your favorite course or or was that

571
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Speaker 2: one of my top five favorites? Was like, really, yeah,

572
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your top five favorites.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Cypress because they're talking about it because it's along

574
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: the craggy California coast line with the White Caps. It's

575
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: just beautiful. It's gorgeous, seventeen mile drive.

576
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Speaker 2: It's pebble beach.

577
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and and every hole that Cypress is different.

578
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Every hole can be played so many different ways, and

579
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Speaker 3: even the eighteenth, which I think is the only really

580
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: weak hold on the course, it's sort of like Cyndy

581
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: Crawfortt's mo, a little imperfection makes beauty even more beautiful.

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Speaker 3: And so that's Cypress Augusta National because it's Augusta National,

583
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: every great brass in its place. It's more a place

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Speaker 3: than a golf course. It's more an experience than a

585
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: round of golf. It's just being at a place where

586
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: That's where it hit me, coming from a world that

587
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: lacked almost everything to find myself standing in a world

588
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: that lacked almost nothing. That contrast Marion. The respect that

589
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: the members there have for the traditions of the game

590
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: and the game itself makes it a special place. Then

591
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: you throw in this golf course that's drama, comedy and tragedy,

592
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Speaker 3: and they say it's three holes, three holds, three holes.

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Speaker 6: It was the first It means six holes, six holes

594
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Speaker 6: of drama, six holds of comedy, six holds of tragedy.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 6: It was the first three holes were comedy, tragedy, drama

597
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 6: and tragedy.

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00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: But Pine Valley, yep, hard part. Most courses, as you

599
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: guys know, had a let up shot. I mean a

600
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: let up whole. Pine Valley doesn't have a let up shot.

601
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: You have to be on with every single shot, the

602
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: slightest of misses and you're out of the hole. And

603
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 3: then Fisher's Island really, yes, that charming seth Reiner design

604
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: around the perimeter of that island in the middle of

605
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: Long Island Sound. You could only get there by helicopter

606
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Speaker 3: or boat, and it's a charming course. It starts off

607
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: a little slow, but once you get to that third hole,

608
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: it it's just one greatest hit after another in terms

609
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Speaker 3: of template holes.

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Speaker 2: Was there a course that you thought was going to

611
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Speaker 2: be amazing but you were disappointed once you got there?

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Speaker 2: You know?

613
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Speaker 3: So this is hard to say, so let me be

614
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Speaker 3: very and I talk about it directly in the book

615
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 3: Pebble Beach, right. I think when you're playing an iconic

616
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: golf course, beauty history, the game, that you should feel

617
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: something special when you're pressing that tea into the ground

618
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: on the first hole. You should be scared, you should

619
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: be nervous, you should be in awe, all a range

620
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: of emotions. I felt none of that wedged in between

621
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: those condos and the pro shop, with some guy trying

622
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: to boast your ego by saying now on the tee.

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Speaker 3: It felt a little affected or cheesy to right those first.

624
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: That didn't change for the first three holes. But then

625
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: when you pass the hedges on the right of the

626
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: t on the fourth hole, and it opens up and

627
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: and to me, I described it in the book as

628
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: the difference between going to a zoo and going on

629
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Speaker 3: a safari zoo is contrived animals in cages. Safari they're

630
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: in their natural habitat. You go from the contrived to

631
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: the genuine. So I say in the book that I

632
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: don't believe Pebble Beach is a great course. I believe

633
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: it's the course with eight are inspiring, unparalleled holes. Their

634
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: best holes at Pebble Beach are better than any hole anywhere, agreed,

635
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: But the other ten holes middling to average.

636
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 4: Hm.

637
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: That's that was that's that's my that's my view.

638
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Speaker 2: Playing from the Rough, A personal journey through America's one

639
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: hundred greatest golf courses is out right now. Jimmy James,

640
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: the author, is with us. Which golf course were you

641
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: most nervous to play? Was it Augusta?

642
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: I was very very nervous at Augusta, very nervous at Augusta.

643
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: I was nervous to at Marion, but only because there's

644
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: the the veranda there where they're sitting there eating and

645
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: everybody's watching you if you're teeing off around lunchtime, and

646
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: I teet off around lunch time, so all eyes are

647
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: on you. And so that's that's nerves. And what's it's

648
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: it's really meat in a sense because of their respect

649
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: for the game. When you address the ball, the conversation stop,

650
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: the clanging of flatwear against the plate stop. There's this

651
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: eerie silence all of a sudden, and now you know,

652
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 3: all eyes are focused on you as you make that

653
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: first swing at this iconic course.

654
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: How'd you hit that ball?

655
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Speaker 3: I hit a two hundred and forty five yards down

656
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: the right side. The only problem is they put a

657
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: little bunker there.

658
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: That bunker.

659
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 5: I'm in that bunker that.

660
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put that that to trap my ball. They

661
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: put that bunker there, and I'm in that bunker, high

662
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: face and the pins on the back right, the wicker

663
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: red wicker basket back right. There's a bunker also to

664
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: the right of it. So I'm like, i gotta play

665
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: a safe. I'm only I'm only ninety five yards out.

666
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: I gotta play a safe Rather than go for that pen,

667
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just hit to the front of the green

668
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: and tuputt from there. I hit the lip, I get

669
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 3: my lob wedge. I thin the ball, it hits the lip,

670
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: comes back in the bunker, and I said, reckless abandonment.

671
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 3: Now give me my sand wedge. I took dead aim

672
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: at that pin, put it within a couple of feet,

673
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: made the putt, save par went to the second hole,

674
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 3: par five along artmore Drive.

675
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 6: Donated my ball to someone who's house is on the

676
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 6: opposite side of the street.

677
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: Very nice of you, Jimmy.

678
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: And then get to the third hole. This is that drama.

679
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: Do I get to the third hole? Bar three elevated

680
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: green deep bunkers around it into one of those deep

681
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: bunkers and it just gets it just But it was spectacular,

682
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: it was it was great, So enjoy enjoyed.

683
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 5: It all, right, Jimmy, Let's get to the real stuff here.

684
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the eats and drinks. What places had

685
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: the best food and drinks here, because that's that's why

686
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: I go golf.

687
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: You know.

688
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: I was talking about this last night to someone, uh

689
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: actually Dominique two from CNBC and his wife Megan. I was.

690
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: I had the book launch yesterday at the Ocean Course

691
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: and my force room at the ocean Course was a

692
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: friend of mine, forty year friend now Kenny Dominique two

693
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: and his wife Megan. We got paired with them randomly.

694
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: They're at the Ocean Course back when I did the

695
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: top hundred and that the excuse me, uh, fantastic opportunity.

696
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: And they were asking this question about food and I go, well,

697
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: and my wife was there, and it's like I have

698
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: to ask me we go to these fancy restaurants because

699
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: my wife really loves uh, nice, nice meals.

700
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: She deserves whatever the hell she wants. Jimmy, I mean,

701
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: I have.

702
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: A very simple palette, and so I have to ask

703
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: my wife what all these fancy foods are and whether

704
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: i'd like it. I prefer meals where I don't have

705
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: to ask of that.

706
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: So keep that in mind as I tell you these foods.

707
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: My favorite the burger dog at the Olympic Club. Wow,

708
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: that I live for the burger dog. I couldn't wait.

709
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: About the burger dog.

710
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 6: It's like I'm going to try to get two strokes

711
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 6: for a holes so that we get to that we

712
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 6: get to that turn quicker.

713
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: But so the burger dogs. A milkshakes. Three places in

714
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: the top hundred have milkshakes as a part of their tradition.

715
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: Murphield Village, right Castle Pines, yep. And in the quarry

716
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: at Lakinta.

717
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Oh Man, mhmm.

718
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 6: So that's that's that's that's the food thing. Otherwise, who

719
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 6: the only reason I eat is if you don't you die,

720
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 6: and I like living.

721
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: That's a good reason to eat. We have the best

722
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: nineteenth hole.

723
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: The real nineteenth hole is at Kinlock. It's a par

724
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: three over water that you use to settle bets if

725
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: you're tied at the end of a match. Man, Now,

726
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: so best hang best hang Old Sandwich. My host, they

727
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: told him he had to go do some things to go.

728
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: We got Jimmy Cover, his h Jay Wick and his

729
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: and his staff, his golf staff, great people, Andy Neier,

730
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: who's the president of the club. I spent more time

731
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: in the men's grill, men's locker room there at Old Sandwich.

732
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: Then I spent on the golf course at Old Sandwich. Wow.

733
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy, I'm insanely jealous. I mean, I gotta be

734
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: honest with you. I am. I'm upset at myself for

735
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: not thinking of it first. I mean, what do we

736
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: do here? How do you and I do this again?

737
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: How about me and you? Play the worst one hundred

738
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: courses in America? What do you think?

739
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Hey? I you know I actually played one of them

740
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: during my quest because of the history of.

741
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: The course, really, which funt.

742
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 3: Along the title base in Washington, d c. Hard pack,

743
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: burnt up greens. The history of that place, it's where

744
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: a lot of it's where first of all, well, the

745
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: the US government first desegregated its golf courses with East Potomac. Three.

746
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 6: Uh, these three black eyes show up, they're trailed by

747
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 6: They come first, they won't let him play.

748
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: Then they come back and there's us. Marshall's trailing them.

749
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: All of them end up breaking eighty getting heckled around

750
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: the course. But the next day the Secretary of Interior,

751
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: Harold Ikeys, desegregated all of the government courses around the world.

752
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: It's where Jim Thorpe and his brother Chuck used to

753
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: play this game called the Wheel, where they'd bet against

754
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: everybody else playing that day and they'd bet big dollars.

755
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: Back then, that's where the Black Tour would would play.

756
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: And so I played Augusta and then I went just

757
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: because of wanting. It just felt appropriate that I go

758
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: to this historic place because here's this black guy. This

759
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: is you know, guys, I call it as it is. Okay,

760
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: here's this black guy going to all these places that

761
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: used to not allow people like us to play there. Yep,

762
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: just out of respect, it made sense to me to

763
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: go to a solemn place like East Potomac and play

764
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: that after playing Augustine, before playing Kinlop, before continuing on

765
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: my panoply of privilege, I thought it only fitting to

766
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: go and play there at East Potomac.

767
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: And so you won't find that course on the top

768
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: one hundred list. You will like on the bottom one

769
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 6: hundred lists.

770
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: But I played it during my quest out of respect

771
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 3: for all you guys before me who made it possible

772
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: for me to do what I did.

773
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: That is a it's a great job by you. Seriously,

774
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: what'd you learn about yourself and about life and about

775
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: this great country of hours on your journey here.

776
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: In the middle of Indiana, in the middle of the

777
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: country in Indiana, I stopped by a Golden correct one night, remember,

778
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: simple palette. I stopped at a golden Corral one night

779
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: to have dinner. Eat because you have to, right, you

780
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: eat because you have to. And I love the choices

781
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: of whether I want corner or a car or cream

782
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: corn or kernel carn whether I want fried chicken, brawl chicken,

783
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: you know, sweet potatoes or mashed potatoes. I love all

784
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: that stuff. I love those choices. But in that place

785
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: I saw eplurbus Union on display, every type of family

786
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: you could think of, every type of American you could

787
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: think of. Sitting there having dinner, and what I could

788
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: filter out from the conversations that were going on, they

789
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: really weren't much different from the conversations going on in

790
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: the most finest of clubhouses, at the most privileged places.

791
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: People care about their kids, They care about their other

792
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: loved ones. They want opportunity for their kids, they want

793
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: health in their lives, they want to be he health.

794
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: They talk about health issues, they talk about bad bosses.

795
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's the things that we all talk about.

796
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: It's all the same. At our core, we're the same.

797
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: So when I wrote this book, when I wrote Playing

798
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: from the Rock, I wrote it in a way I

799
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: knew that some would come for the golf, and I

800
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: hope they'd stay for the stories, and that some would

801
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: come for the stories and just get sucked into the golf.

802
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: And I also hoped that every person in reading the

803
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: stories would find a piece of themselves in the stories,

804
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: and then they would say, if I could relate to

805
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 3: this black guy who used to take crumbled pages from

806
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: his Sears and Roebuck catalog to go into his maggot

807
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: infested outhouse and wipe his butt afterwards, with him, I

808
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: can relate to anybody because it allows us to find

809
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: our come in humanity. And when you find that common humanity,

810
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: there is no safe harbor for hate whatsoever. When you

811
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: can relate to the person, when you can humanize them

812
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: and see yourself in them, there's no room for hate.

813
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: There's no space for hate. There's no harbor for hate.

814
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: So I learned from our country that we've got one

815
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: heck of a country. And I don't care whether we

816
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: came here it's unfortunate. Slavery was evil, it was bad,

817
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: but whether we came here by choice abundage. Together, we've

818
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: built this amazing country with amazing opportunities. Where a guy

819
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: can go from using Seers and Roebuck pages from a

820
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: catalog against there's a Roebuck to wife is, but to

821
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: having a book reviewed in the Wall Street Journal. That's America.

822
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: We have a great country. Look for what we've done.

823
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: It's not perfect. My mother wasn't perfect, but we loved

824
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 3: her fiercely up until the day she died. It doesn't

825
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: take love. It doesn't take perfection to love something. You

826
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: love it enough to put in the effort to make

827
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: it the best that it can be. And that's what

828
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: I saw in America. A lot of people working hard

829
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: to have the best life that they can and helping

830
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: others do the same.

831
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: You're an inspiration, Jimmy. Seriously, that was well said. That

832
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: was beautiful by his book Playing from the Rough, A

833
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: Personal Journey through America's one hundred greatest golf courses. It's

834
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: available right now. It's doing well. I imagine it's going

835
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: to continue to do very very well, really quick. On

836
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: the way out here, were you close to hitting a

837
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: hole in one on any of these courses?

838
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: That's the only goal I did not achieve I set

839
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: for myself. I wanted to play all the hundred courses.

840
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to break eighty. I did it several times.

841
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: And I wanted to make a hold in one. I've

842
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: made a hold. I've made two holding ones in my life.

843
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to make one on the top hundred course.

844
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: I came really close several times, even when I had

845
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: jim Ain come and play two holes back to back

846
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 3: part threes with me at the golf Club at Black Rock.

847
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: I came, he told me exactly where to hit the ball,

848
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: and I came this close, but I didn't make it.

849
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: So I did not make a hold in one on

850
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: any of the top hundred course.

851
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: So, Jimmy, that gives us an idea, that gives us

852
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: a reason to go play the one hundred top courses

853
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: again with your new friend. Your new friend being me,

854
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: And it's our quest for a hole in one at

855
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: one of the top one hundred courses. What do you think?

856
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: Huh, that's it, that's our quest.

857
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm in, I'm in. Let's do it. Oh my god,

858
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: what an inspiration. We appreciate the time and good luck

859
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: with the book. I'd like to talk to you again

860
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: sometime because you really are inspirational. I love your messages

861
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: and I love your story. I think it's fantastic. So

862
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: thank you for doing this, and good luck with the book,

863
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 2: my friend.

864
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. Guys really appreciate it. John, Mike, and

865
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: Billy really appreciate it. Thank you.

866
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: You got it. Jimmy, thank you.