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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, thanks for pulling up a chair today on

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Speaker 1: Table for two. This is Bruce on a beautiful, hot,

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Speaker 1: so cool day, and we are not in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: We are by the beach.

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Speaker 1: We're having lunch today in Santa Monica at the Shutters Hotel.

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Speaker 3: We so have a drink.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't getting it, but I've got to struggle all

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Speaker 4: the way back to Malibron, probably says again under the

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Speaker 4: full moon.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're having lunch with an actress that you all know.

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Speaker 1: She's not from the United States. She's actually from across

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean. You probably know her best from her

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Speaker 1: role in Goodwill Hunting, which is like quite the cult

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Speaker 5: But she's busy.

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Speaker 1: She has two films opening in the Toronto Film Festival.

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Speaker 1: She's got an incredible podcast, she's written a memoir.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, No, you know what I want you?

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Speaker 3: I get a share the time.

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Speaker 2: That is sweetest drength.

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Speaker 1: Anyone's I'm able. We're having lunch today with Mini Driver.

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Speaker 1: Pull up a chair, enjoy, grab a glass rose on

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Speaker 1: this hot summer day, and.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with Miss Driver.

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Speaker 5: I'm Bruce Bozzi and this is my podcast Table for Two.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, if you've joined us today, if you've pulled

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Speaker 1: up a chair on Table for two today, we're in

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Speaker 1: a completely new space. We're at the Shutter's Hotel in

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Speaker 1: by the Beach, very fitting, as you will all find out.

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Speaker 1: An incredibly beautiful actress, woman, singer, writer. Your podcast blows

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Speaker 1: me away. We are having lunch with miss Minnie Driver.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Table for two.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, brit Oh my god, it's

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Speaker 4: a pleasure, lovely to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, your surfer, Yeah, every day surfing.

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Speaker 3: When I'm here. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And today we went out early because I was coming

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Speaker 4: here and my best friends Cameron, Cameron Richardson.

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Speaker 3: And Mini Mortimer.

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Speaker 4: I know, we never get surfed with each other because

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Speaker 4: everyone's the minute school goes back, everyone's blown to the winds.

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Speaker 3: So we went super early. I was up at six.

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Speaker 4: It is the most beautiful day, like those these kind

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Speaker 4: of dog days of summer.

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Speaker 3: The ocean is glassy, the air is like silk.

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Speaker 4: It's it's beautiful, pinky blue light that early in the morning,

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Speaker 4: and it was just us just trading waves.

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Speaker 2: And what is surfing? What feelings does it evoke for you?

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Speaker 2: It draws you to.

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Speaker 3: There is something about the confluence of.

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Speaker 4: Your body and your soul, the active feeling of the

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Speaker 4: strength that you need to have when you're surfing, the

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Speaker 3: Flying down the face of this wave in harmony with

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Speaker 4: That's as close as I've got to feeling my soul,

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Speaker 4: Those are the two great moments where I feel the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm learning about you, where I've seen in

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Speaker 1: Is the importance of connection that you have with people

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Speaker 2: And I don't surf for some reason. I have a

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, I actually I grew up a

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Speaker 4: I was a big water skier, when I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: Really long time. I am okay. I'm not even good.

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Speaker 4: a huge amount about the full moon, but it's special.

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Speaker 1: I was going to do a little research today about

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Speaker 4: This is why, Yes, that's why I surfed last night

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Speaker 1: Have no fear of being in the water in the

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Speaker 1: lat moon is going to make the water so right.

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Speaker 4: But we're going to wear glow sticks around our necks,

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Speaker 3: There's a huge amount of letting.

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Speaker 3: But now my heart will be beating really fast.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've had such an interesting career. Your life

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Speaker 4: I went to a school and I grew up in

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Speaker 3: I think I was hugely emotional and had.

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Speaker 4: It's the same part of your brain. And then we'll

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Suddenly there were these avenues that all of the

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Speaker 4: So that and I was always aware of what an

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Speaker 4: No one can prepare you, because nobody really knows what

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Speaker 4: Like I don't separate out like writing a book, from

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Speaker 4: it's all from the same crucible. Finding this tiny little

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Speaker 3: A profile that has to be maintained in a certain way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, your cottage. When you refer to your cottage,

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Speaker 2: I found this you're happy place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's where a lot of people never find it.

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Speaker 4: I has to get up super early, like you know,

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Speaker 4: We went up to this place, and the minute I

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Speaker 3: And kept them away for a while. And now, oh

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Speaker 4: And directors and it's just bananas.

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Speaker 4: But what we've lost is this community that we used

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Speaker 3: And I'm a huge believer in community. I've seen what

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Speaker 2: You asked me. Okay, I guess that's all answer.

446
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: By the way, I've really learned that.

447
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes someone's no is it's revealing about them as a person,

448
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: and they they should be allowed to have that.

449
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: So when someone just goes yeah.

450
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 4: Or no to a question that I've asked, instead of

451
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 4: getting flustered, I now start to chuckle, going.

452
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh wow, all right, that's okay. I wonder what it

453
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: is around that.

454
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 4: And sometimes I'll even ask and go, that was really definitive,

455
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: that no, or that yeah was really definitive.

456
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: And it's often about.

457
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: Quick thinking and going is that speaking to a larger

458
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: issue around whatever it is that they've said no or

459
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 4: yes to you don't judge someone on their reactions, which

460
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 4: is very difficult to do on a podcast.

461
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: I can do it. I'm just gonna I'm gonna listen if.

462
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: It's over, if it's in it's completion, which is another

463
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: thing when you like, have you found that in life?

464
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: We have all these ideas that things are going to

465
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: be forever and then they end, whether it's whether it's

466
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: that was it's forever.

467
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: I did think everything was forever. I gotta tell you

468
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: you do. I did if it was like if you

469
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: fell in.

470
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: Love, it was going to be you were going to

471
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: be with them forever?

472
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: And then did you When I was in my twenties,

473
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: ually like year one was great, Year two.

474
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: Was like how do I get out of this?

475
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 4: And then terrible?

476
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: How did you say you have the same sort of rhythm?

477
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: I list, Yeah, Honestly, this is the longest relationship I've

478
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 4: ever been in and we're like in year six. So

479
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: he's the greatest, And I'm so funny because that's the

480
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: other thing that I think I realized or again using

481
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 4: that word clarified in my book, which was all of

482
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: those relationships that in quotes didn't work out, they were

483
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: a version of life working out. It's just not the

484
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 4: bells and whistles version of romance and love that I

485
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: had been sold as a kid, which is that you're

486
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: with someone, they love you, then you're going to get married,

487
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: you and have kids.

488
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: It's going to all work out, for sure.

489
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: It took a long time for me to let go

490
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: of that expectation that this person had to be the one.

491
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Speaker 2: Well, I also think each one of those brings you

492
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Speaker 2: to him.

493
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, because without any of all of that, without

494
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: any of all the years that we've lived. Like someone

495
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: once said, I'm fifty eight years old, but still there's

496
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old is still in me.

497
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: That piece of you doesn't go all the way.

498
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: No, exactly.

499
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Table for two. A couple of years ago,

500
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Speaker 5: Many released her memoir Managing Expectations. The essays in the

501
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 5: book are both funny and honest, and I'm curious how

502
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: she went about the writing process.

503
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: And just so you know, Minnie's book is called Managing Expectations,

504
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: a memoir and essays, and it's beautiful.

505
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: What was that process? And that's not easy, that's a

506
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: very emotional thing to do.

507
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, it was a function. The actually getting

508
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 4: it done was a function of COVID, you know, on

509
00:26:54,400 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: like day three, so like March fifteenth or sixteenth, man Jason,

510
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: who is a very old friend of mine in addition

511
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: to being my manager, he called me.

512
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: And he was like this, you got all this time.

513
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: What are you going to do?

514
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: I started the podcast and he said, if you were

515
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: going to write a book, what would it look like?

516
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: So I wrote as if he were a.

517
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: Teacher at my school giving me an assignment. We talked

518
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 4: about it at dinner my son, Addison, my boyfriend, and

519
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: me that night and I was like, okay, so I

520
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: want to write a book, and my son went, well,

521
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: it would be your stories. Because he's now lived long

522
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: enough to see that there is very little I love

523
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: more than telling stories. And my favorite thing is telling

524
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: stories that I know people have heard before, but telling

525
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: them again in a different way and getting a new

526
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: laugh out of them.

527
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: I find that incredibly satisfying.

528
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: The next day, I went, okay, I'm just going to

529
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: start with the stories that I maybe three stories that

530
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: I know I've told that are so hardwired into my life.

531
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: And I began there. I wrote this proposal of what

532
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 3: these stories might look like. And we then went out

533
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: and sold.

534
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: I already said, look at this is not going to

535
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: be a tell or it was never going to be

536
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 4: a celebrity memoir. So then I started with these stories.

537
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: And when we sold the book and I then had

538
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: to write them, what you realize is that in telling

539
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: the stories, you're actually going back and not just telling them,

540
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: but you're healing the bits that were really hard because

541
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how tragic bits of my stories were,

542
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: like being put on an aeroplane when I was eleven

543
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: years old because I had a fight with my dad.

544
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: When I was writing it, I was like, Jesus Christ,

545
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: this is actually awful and painful.

546
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: But there was so much humor in it as well.

547
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Telling and we have a story like that, we're at

548
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: eleven years old, you're traveling alone, and you can look

549
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: at it and you can see the humor in it,

550
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: but you can also see, well, like, this is insane.

551
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah it was insane. It was and devastating, but it was.

552
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: You then start going that created a level of independence

553
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: and the fact that everything was fine and I was fine,

554
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: and I did go on this bizarre adventure that was

555
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: part of the infrastructure of how I think I moved

556
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: to Hollywood when I was twenty five years twenty four

557
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: years old. I could move seven thousand miles away from home,

558
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: still loving my family and not wanting to and have

559
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: the best time, knowing no one.

560
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I think that all that.

561
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Develops the strength of character that brings you into the room,

562
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: because you also chose a very tough profession and you

563
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned you know, goodwill hunting and what

564
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: that did, and.

565
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: That was that's become.

566
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: This was not only an incredible movie where it came out,

567
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: but it's still amazing.

568
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: It's a cult classic. It's an amazing film that you did.

569
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Some movies just they age out, you're like, oh my god,

570
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: I love that.

571
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Movie when I saw but it's just not other, but

572
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: definitely that movie no matter what age you are.

573
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: Now, we made a classic. And it's very rare to

574
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: make those kinds of films. It's very difficult to keep

575
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: making good films.

576
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: So much has to come into alignment for movies to

577
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: be good on all the levels. Received well, I have

578
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: a timeless quality, great performances, wonderful time on set.

579
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: It was the happiest experience shooting that movie.

580
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: The movie has touched people for now twenty five years

581
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: or whatever it's been like there was. That's very special,

582
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 4: and it's the very beginning of these two extraordinary careers

583
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: of Matt and Ben. This beautiful performance of an icon

584
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: in Robin Williams.

585
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: Everyone who is in it, everyone, but it was very lowcly.

586
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: I mean turn.

587
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: So speaking of movies, so you have two films that

588
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: are going to be in the film.

589
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, very different films.

590
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of wild.

591
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

592
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: One is this extraordinary film that stars Alusia Vikander and

593
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: Elizabeth Olsen and Himesh Patel.

594
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: It's a kind of dystopian future where if you want.

595
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: To have a child, you have to be assessed by

596
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: an assessor. It's called the Assessment, and Elusivikanda plays the

597
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: assessor and it is this extraordinary journey into I think,

598
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: what it means to be a parent or what it

599
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: means to want to have a child, but set against

600
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: in a very Alex Garland way in a way, this

601
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: dystopian idea of the future. We all take this drug

602
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: to remain looking young called synoxin, and I think I'm

603
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty three years old in it, but

604
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: like I look like I do. And it's pretty stark

605
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: and it's it's just so brilliant. This amazing French female

606
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: director is her first film she's called Flur fourteen amazing.

607
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: And then the other movie same brilliant writers, brilliant acting.

608
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: But it's a Edward Burns movie. I mean, Eddie's been

609
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: making movies for thirty years now. I think it's almost

610
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: the Brothers mcmullon, I think is thirty years in January.

611
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: Wow, I forgot about that sum Yeah.

612
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: And so that is this movie that we made, which

613
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: is an ensemble piece with Patrick Wilson, Julianna Marguley's.

614
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: Benjamin Bratt, Rishian Mare, Campbell, Scott Eddie.

615
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing and a very sort of adult grown up

616
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: movie about relationships.

617
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: What do you love about me?

618
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

619
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Honestly, from like the cables snaking across the floor to

620
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: the kind of harod ads with their ear pieces in.

621
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: The quiet on set, I don't know what it is,

622
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: but it feels like home. It's this idea of like.

623
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: You're playing you're literally playing make believe and everyone's taking

624
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: it really seriously and you know that it's going to

625
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: be metabolized in a way that makes people feel a

626
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: whole other thing, Like, it's such a beautiful con for

627
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: people to be to enjoy themselves watching you play that.

628
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: They're called movies not because it's a moving image, but

629
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: because they move people, They move you.

630
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: And you get to be like a conduit for all

631
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: the things that people they don't want to feel, those

632
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: big emotions in their life, they want to.

633
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Watch you do that.

634
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: And particularly if you don't find that difficult to do.

635
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: I mean, perhaps it's difficult to do well.

636
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: No, I think it is. I think you have to

637
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: be talented like yourself. Not everyone can do it, and

638
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: a lot of things have to come together.

639
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny. I don't know what is that.

640
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: I know certain things that make a great actor in

641
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: my opinion, but there is this kind of special there

642
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: is this special something that is really unquantifiable that certain

643
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 4: actors have.

644
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: I've been actually looking recently.

645
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: I've been watching movies and thinking about that, and watching

646
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: movies with people that.

647
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: I just I was about to ask, who are the

648
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: people that.

649
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: So Isabel Lupere is my I can watch Emma Stone

650
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: all day long, Michael Fassbender, Alicia the Canada, Sean Penn

651
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: and Dan day lewis probably being the I think he

652
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: was the king.

653
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: Of all of them. I love watching them. I actually love.

654
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: Watching Margot Robbie work because it's also she's such a

655
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 4: fine actress, and it's like, in a way, it's like,

656
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: don't be taken in by her.

657
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: Beautiful she is.

658
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: She is so finely tuned to emotion, and she holds

659
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 4: her space so brilliantly and doesn't incroach on other people's

660
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: There's something incredibly delicate and very powerful about that.

661
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: I agree she has a very special quality.

662
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: I think she's magical.

663
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really is.

664
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Speaker 1: I've had such a great time having much of you,

665
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and there's so many things.

666
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: If you've pulled up a chair with.

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Speaker 1: Missing me driver, I'm just staring at you because you're

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Speaker 1: you're mesmerizing, just so you know, you're mesmerizing you and

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Speaker 1: You've inspired me today, which is I think right is

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Speaker 1: all about thank you for taking the time wow today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: It was really delicious and it was really lovely talking

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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you everyone, Thank you for falling up

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Speaker 1: at chair and have a great dead.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for pulling up a chair.

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Speaker 6: a meal. If you enjoy the show, please tell a

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Speaker 6: for two with Bruce Bozzi is produced by iHeartRadio seven

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Speaker 6: three seven Park and Airmail. Our executive producers are Bruce

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Speaker 6: Bosi and Nathan King. Our supervising producer Dylan Fagan. Our

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Speaker 6: editors are Vincent to Johnny and Cas b Bias. Table

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Speaker 6: for two is researched and written by Jack Sullivan. Our

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Speaker 6: sound engineers are Meel B. Klein, Jess Krainich, Evan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: And Jesse Funk. Our music supervisor is Randall Poster. Our

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Speaker 2: talent booking is done by Jane Sarkin.

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Speaker 5: Table for Two's social media manager is Gracie Wiener. Special

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Speaker 5: thanks to Amy Sugarman, Uni Scherer, Kevin Yvane, Bobby Bauer,

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Speaker 5: Alison Kanter, Graber, Barbara Jen, Jeff Klein, and the staff.

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Speaker 1: At the Tower Bar in the world famous Sunset Tower Hotel.

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