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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, we are joined by Dr Grant Woods of

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Speaker 1: Growing Dear TV to discuss exactly how he'd handle some

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Speaker 1: of the most challenging deer hunting and management scenarios in

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Speaker 1: the white tail Woods. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Life and

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Speaker 1: to Dan the show. We're kicking off a new month

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Speaker 1: long series. Now. I hope you guys enjoyed shooting month

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Speaker 1: back in July. I certainly did. Was what I needed.

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Speaker 1: This year is all about shooting for me. I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: good about it. These folks helped me out, and uh

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Speaker 1: I am now and hopefully you are now ready to

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Speaker 1: fully turn our attention to hunting, because guess what hunting

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Speaker 1: season is just about here? I mean, jeez, guys, I

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Speaker 1: mean for some of you, just a matter of weeks

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Speaker 1: probably right. There's some August openers, some early September openers.

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Speaker 1: I think my first hunt of the year is going

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Speaker 1: up fast, and uh, I'm excited. So from here on

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Speaker 1: out through the rest of the fall, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: a focused on chatting with the best deer hunters in

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Speaker 1: rest of us ready for our best season yet. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some really good stuff and to get things going,

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Speaker 1: my thought was to do a whole month of our

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Speaker 1: what would you do episodes. We've done these over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of years. Uh so hopefully you're familiar, but

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Speaker 1: if you're not. The basic gist of it is this,

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Speaker 1: I present them with a bunch of different, very scific,

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Speaker 1: unique hunting scenarios. I'll tell basically a story like it's

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Speaker 1: this day, it's this place, it's this kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: and here's what's going on, and then I asked them

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Speaker 1: to explain what they would do in that circumstance, why

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Speaker 1: And you know what I found is this has ended

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Speaker 1: up being one of the best ways to get new

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot of fun too, So I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: stoked to do a full month of them. We've got

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Speaker 1: a really, really good lineup schedule for you here and

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Speaker 1: we're kicking it off today with a true legend. Dr.

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Speaker 1: Grant Woods is one of the best in the world.

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Speaker 1: He's a long time wildlife biologist, he's a thought leader

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Speaker 1: well over a decade now, when it's been one of

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Speaker 1: He hunts and manages a great, big property down in

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Speaker 1: you guys to hear the rest of this. But I

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Speaker 1: do want to give you a quick update some housekeeping here.

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Speaker 1: of our season openers sale for meat Eater and our

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Speaker 1: Would You Do Month with the one and only doctor

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Speaker 1: Grant Woods. Let's go all right back with me on

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Speaker 1: the show is Mr Grant Woods. Grant, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here. Hey, mark us for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's been it's been too long. I think it's been

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Speaker 1: So forgive me to start here, Grant, But I want

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Speaker 1: But it's it's not something that alerts Dear Yeah, it's

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00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: all about, you know, maintaining consistency. And once they come

430
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: to realize that wheels and vehicles are a consistent thing,

431
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: it no longer is out of the norm and they

432
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: can they can live with that, right. Yeah, that you

433
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: may see one that bounces off in the woods fitty

434
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: yards and watch as you go buy or something, but

435
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: not like they smelled a big o ugly guy walking

436
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: out through there. And so man, last time I smelled

437
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: Dad at thundered rolloud, Mama fell over dead. So I

438
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: don't want to smell again. Yeah, for sure. All right,

439
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: let's let's step away from that hypothetical and now kind

440
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: of go back to your current situation. You're on the

441
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: proving grounds and I don't know exactly when you plant

442
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: your your fall release blend, but let's say you whenever

443
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: that period comes and goes, you plant your fall you

444
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: broadcast your fall blend into your spots in that late

445
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: summer time period, and you're supposed to get great rain.

446
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: But let's say like the next day, the forecast completely

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: changes and now there's nothing. And you mentioned to me

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: earlier today that you're in the midst of a real

449
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: gnarly drought. So Let's say this drought continues and you

450
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: go a week without that rain, and then two weeks

451
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: without that rain, and maybe three weeks without that rain.

452
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: Now opening days is either here or almost here, and

453
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff staring you in your face, and you

454
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: have this this dried up, almost non existent food plot.

455
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: What do you do in that situation to salvage your

456
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: situation if at all? Yeah, great points A long back up.

457
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna plan about forty five to sixty days before

458
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 1: the average first frost date in the fall here if

459
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: there's slat of food that happens to be bout October

460
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: fift so, you know, August fift on when the weather

461
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: person says, we got a really good chance to rain

462
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: and we're going to a spread seed and we've had

463
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, eight chance for and it doesn't rain. I

464
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: assure you, in a little small hunting pot or hidio plot, squirrels, cardinals,

465
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: turkeys or whatever can wipe out a bunch of seed quick.

466
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to eat that much. You know,

467
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: you at thirty parns out there and you see a

468
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: few squirrels right now, you know it's a big deal.

469
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: You know, next time you go after you got a

470
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: boot and crockett squirrel running around and no seed german ating.

471
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Uh So that's a real pain and I'm always gonna

472
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: have four or five options. I like to monitor scrapes

473
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: year around. You know, those bigger communal scrapes. They're probably

474
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: not pawing the ground, but they're using the overhanging limb.

475
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: I love bottlenecks. I mean, I'm a I like a

476
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: good bottleneck as much as I do anything. So I'm

477
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: going to create bottlenecks pinch points by whatever method I

478
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: need to on that property is that's making a gap

479
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: and you know, an inter your fence, or have a

480
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: pond and surely dry or you know, whatever it is.

481
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those bottlenecks because, dear, unless they're unless

482
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: they've been disturbed there, they're gonna use bottlenecks every day,

483
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: and you want to hunt them knowing that disturbance is

484
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: a real no no. And one thing a good friend

485
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: of mine from Wisconsin, I've always kind of tinkered with it,

486
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: but he's I think he's perfected it. He vic takes

487
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: a stick or a piece of grape vine or something

488
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: like that instead of making a full moss grape which

489
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: I do every year, you know, driving my tea post

490
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: and ground and wire a tree or a branch to

491
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: it or whatever. And he just takes some peer record

492
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: and hangs these sticks down out of the tree on

493
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: a trail or a food plot or whatever, about four

494
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: feet off the ground. And I don't know what it

495
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: is that the deer. I hate to use the word playing.

496
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: That's what Disney is, but uh, they bumped those sticks

497
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: around for twenty minutes at a time. It is shocking

498
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm not taking any credit. My buddy

499
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: Vic does this and just had tremendous results. They spend

500
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: time there, They turn a different angles so you get

501
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: a get shot angle to the tree you made the

502
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: moss scrape out. I was not blocking your view if

503
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: they come in the wrong way. So I'm gonna have

504
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: some of those this year in various places. So it's

505
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: it's just a piece of grape vine or branches hanging

506
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: down off of some pear cord, basically as a licking branch,

507
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: but a vertical kind of hanging a vertical licking branch.

508
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: But it's got a lot of movement to it. You know,

509
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: you may tie it five six ft above, or you know,

510
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: why are the limb isn't that situation? And his trail

511
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: camera videos, My goodness, those deer spent a lot of

512
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: time there. Interesting. Now, is there any planting option, like

513
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: if you have that drought the last three more weeks,

514
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: is there something that you would try to still go

515
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: back out and broadcast, you know, into late September, or

516
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: something that can get you a little extra anything, or

517
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: is it out of the question at that point. Now,

518
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plant that same blend against seal rise, really

519
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: drought resistant and colde herty. But I'm gonna wait for

520
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: soil moisture. I'm I'm too old to waste money on

521
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: seed anymore. If there's just no moisture and no rain

522
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: in the forecast, or the forecast doesn't pan out as

523
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: you would anticipated, I'm gonna give some more seed. And

524
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: at that time, you know I've missed the ideal planning window.

525
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: Now on ten days before the first expected frost, now

526
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: you know these are average frost days, so ours is October.

527
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Not a cross here until mid November.

528
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna gamble. Okay, We're gonna get some more

529
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: warm temperatures, members not just warm temperature, though you need

530
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: a certain amount of sunshine for those plants to photosynthesize,

531
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: and those days are getting shorter and shorter. But I'm

532
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: not throwing out hopefully it terms green when food is

533
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: you know this when food is short for deer in

534
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: the dear world, Uh gosh, I think they probably a

535
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: green pickup. So I want to turn it green if

536
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I can, and and and and also I love to

537
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: turkey up, so I want that green spot out. There's

538
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: a strep zone in the spring. Also, is there like

539
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: a cut off date? Is there any dates where you're like, okay,

540
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: it's it's finally too late to try. I mean, if

541
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: you're getting frost for for here, I kind of figure

542
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: like November one is you know, I have failed. There's

543
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: just no way to salvage this. And at that time,

544
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm not having much weed pressure or anything. I'm gonna

545
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: wait in frost, seeds and clover as soon as I can.

546
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: In the spring. Let's shift away from property work now

547
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: and and talk a little bit more on the hunting side.

548
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: Let's say we're moving into opening day of hunting season,

549
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: and to make this, you know, applicable to as many

550
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: people as possible. Let's say that the property you're hunting

551
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: is on the smaller side. It's it's it's not huge,

552
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of I don't know, let's say a hundred

553
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: some acres give or take um. But there's a lot

554
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: of people around it. There's a lot of folks the

555
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: hunt in the neighborhood. Let's you know, we'll put you

556
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: up in northern Missouri, maybe more towards the you know, St.

557
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: Louis area, So there's a lot of folks that get

558
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: after it. Okay, And opening day is in the forecast.

559
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: You're looking at it and you're thinking, man, I've had

560
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: this game plan in place. There's a big shooter buck

561
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: that's been you know, he's been showing up on camera.

562
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: I've got, you know, everything lined up for this. I

563
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: know that first day is is usually one of your

564
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: best chances because there haven't been people hunting. But here's

565
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: the big issue. The weather forecast for opening day and

566
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: the next few days after that is very hot, a

567
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: subpar wind, muggy, just just kind of the worst case

568
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: scenario as far as what you dream of for great

569
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: deer hunting conditions. So the question is this grant, do

570
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: you go and hunt opening day despite the lousy weather,

571
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: because you know it's your only hunt pre hunting pressure

572
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: before other guys mess things up. Or do you say

573
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm not hunting there until the perfect

574
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: weather or the perfect wind, and you wait till four

575
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: or five days into the year, risking the possibility that

576
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: your neighbors might hunt all four of those days and

577
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: booger everything up regardless. What would you do in that situation? Yeah,

578
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: I am with the I do not like high humanity days.

579
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Your sin It's just whiff and everywhere. Uh So I'm

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: not I'm certainly not hunting my prime areas. I usually

581
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: have what I call an observation stand. You know some

582
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: people called the brother in law stand. You don't think

583
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna really see a shooter buck or maybe no

584
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: dear there just because it's opening day and I've planned

585
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: to be off work that day, I'm going hunting. But

586
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: it's hot and muggy and the wind is still. I

587
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: am not going to a good area. I'm just going

588
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: on edge and probably got my binoculars at the ready

589
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: morning do my bow. I'm just you know, looking three

590
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: ft of yards out. I had that kind of visibility

591
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to a good area even now.

592
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, uh that here at my place, if if

593
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: the conditions aren't right, I'll go set on a you know,

594
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: a bluff on a ridge top and look over areas

595
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: or something. I'm not going into a primary, those those

596
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: primaries that you've worked, you know, maybe hanging stand and

597
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: cut some lanes or playing a little food plot or whatever. Uh.

598
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Dr Carl Millery used to be in my roommate for

599
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of University Georgia. Bryant guy has done

600
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: some great research. And we know that deer have memory

601
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and it and I would rather give up five days.

602
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: And my other thinking here is, if it's bad conditions,

603
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: although the neighbors are probably getting busted and maybe a

604
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: learning deer they've got a chance to bumping him in

605
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: my land, they're probably not killing a lot of deer

606
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: because the conditions are so bad, certainly mature deer. So

607
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let them hunt, and I'm just gonna let

608
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: him maybe push a couple bump up key bucks in

609
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: there to my area and let them realize that's a

610
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: safer part of your home range. And I'm just gonna

611
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: do an observation ye, okay, I follow you. Here's another one.

612
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Let's and I think this is actually something that you'll

613
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: be able to relate to. I think you had a

614
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: somewhat similar experience um with a buck you called swoops.

615
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: But let's say you've got one buck on your property

616
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: that you have been after for several years and he's

617
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: been on your mind. He's been the one, and for

618
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he's always been one step ahead of you.

619
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's he there, only shows up in daylight

620
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: when you're you know, on vacation, and then when you

621
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: go hunt, he's shown up there you or he's in

622
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: the standard hunting yesterday, and then you go back there

623
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: and then he's where you were the day before, whatever

624
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: it was. He's always where you're not, and you're always

625
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: close but not close enough. You've hunted him. Let's say,

626
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, we'll say not six or seven years like

627
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: you did, but let's say you hunted him to previous years.

628
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: Now you're into year three, your third year hunting this buck.

629
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Now you have two really good years of history with

630
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: What kinds of things would you focus on or change

631
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to your hunting strategy or setups or

632
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: scouting and trail cameras, anything like that to dial in

633
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: in now on year three, when you're saying, gosh, he's

634
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: evade to me for so long, I have to make

635
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: it work now and you decide to switch it up,

636
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: what would those things be? Yeah, that is a great

637
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: scenario that I think a lot of the space. Um,

638
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I keep camera pictures of bucks that let's

639
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: just say, you know, three years old or older year

640
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: after year after year. You know, I'll give him a

641
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: name or put him in a file or whatever. And

642
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the first thing I'm gonna do is really study. I'm

643
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna get a pencil, pencil on paper out and I'm

644
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna look at the dates and exactly where that camera

645
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: was or where he was. I'm gonna I'm gonna plot

646
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: it out. I mean, because I have found it. Oftentimes

647
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: the mature bucks, even more so as they reach older

648
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: age classes, not only have the generic path of they

649
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: may show up on the exact same day at a

650
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: food plot of location of scrape that they did the

651
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: year before. It is something it is really uncanny to

652
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: me and how accurate that is. So I'm really going

653
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: to look at the plast and say, Okay, early season.

654
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: He's using the south part of where I get the

655
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: hunt and specifically this white Oak ridge or whatever it is.

656
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: And then about two or three weeks into it, I

657
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: don't get any more pictures him now, and they everybody

658
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: start figuring some pictures the next ridge over. I'm gonna

659
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: really point that data down, and then I'm gonna ask

660
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: myself to be honest with myself and say, why have

661
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: I not tagged that bug? Where is he busted me?

662
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: What am I doing wrong? It's not the deer's fault, right,

663
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: He's just doing his thing. It's our fault. And I'm

664
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna really review my hunting techniques, my choices, my timing,

665
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: because I need to change. I do not want to

666
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: do the same thing I've been doing. And and I

667
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: think those two things paired have helped me tag some

668
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: bucks that have avoided me for multiple years, which is

669
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: frustrating and fun at the same time. Right when that

670
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: when that does come together, you know, a year or

671
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: two or three later, whatever, guys want a reward. That

672
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: is so so so true. Well on the trail camera

673
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: from this is something I'm always curious about different people's

674
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: takes on this. When you're trying to zero in on

675
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: one specific buck Uh, let's say maybe maybe do this

676
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: with swoops and maybe not. But when you're trying to

677
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: zero and note a deer, let's say you have just

678
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: the one that you really want and you're trying to

679
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: close the net around him in one form or another.

680
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: What do you do with your cameras differently, if at all,

681
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: to help you fine tune that pattern? Do you start

682
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: moving in the men tighter and tighter into one area,

683
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: or do you put more out in his range? Or

684
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: do you never change your trail camera strategy and always

685
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: have a basic blanket approach year after year because you

686
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: know you still want cameras in the north corner because

687
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: maybe a new buckles show up. What's your take on that? Yeah? Great,

688
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 1: great thought again, Mark, I do change my choke camera

689
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: placement pretty frequently based on m R i most recent information.

690
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: And in that scenario, I'm I'm gonna work really hard

691
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: not to crowd or alert the deer. Alerted deer is

692
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: so much tougher to hunt. And and so if I

693
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: you know he's back on the south FORDI again, he's

694
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: back in there. I'm gonna just place cameras along roads

695
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: or edge as a plot or somewhere I can get

696
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: mid day that there's almost zero champs. I'm gonna bumping.

697
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: It's hot enough to sin is rising years rising. I'm

698
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: probably going in with the sync control. Even know I'm

699
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: not hunting, but I'm not penetrating, you know, a hundred

700
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: and fifty yards in the timber to get to that

701
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: wideoat tree or something. I'm just not gonna take a

702
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: chance of busting that dear out there. So I may

703
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: move some more cameras in the area, but they're gonna

704
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: be on the outskirts of the area. I just want

705
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: to see if I can find him, and if he's

706
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: coming and going. And I have done this and I'm

707
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: always surprised at Okay, here's a spot on this road

708
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: and see thirty yards. There's really no redeeming reason here.

709
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm just gonna put a camera because I'm

710
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: not getting anything on this camera on the other side

711
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: of rhim and you whip it out there, you know,

712
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: call it gut instinct, call it whatever it is, but

713
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: you don't really see any reason put it there. And

714
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, at Bucks walking seven yards from

715
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: the camera. So I'm gonna put my cameras in his area,

716
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not going very far off the road or

717
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: where I can access real easily. Yeah, what about camera density? Um,

718
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: you know how many cameras you'll put in a small area.

719
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: I spent some time last fallow Tom Inderbo, and I

720
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: was shocked by the way he uses cameras. He will

721
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: in a in an acre area like an acre food

722
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: plot or a little acre betting knob. He'll have three,

723
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: four or five different cameras in this little area pointed

724
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: in every different direction, or two sides of the trail,

725
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: or both sides of the water hole and two different

726
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: trails that come into it. I mean, he very very

727
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: thoroughly covered certain zones. Do you ever do anything like that,

728
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: or or if not, what is the density you get

729
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: so that you can, you know, get the full picture

730
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: or at least enough of the picture. I do that

731
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: when I do suspect there's a certain buccan area that

732
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I or one of my guests or someone would like

733
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: to tag. And Tom is a very skilled outdoorsman, so

734
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not going against Tom. But I do the

735
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: same thing, but not just Willie Nilli. I mean, I

736
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: know there's something going on in there. I can't quite

737
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: figure it out. And again I'm not going to way

738
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: through the betting area to do this, but as close

739
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: as I can get and feel I'm not disturbing to

740
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: do all stack several an area I kind of look

741
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: at like trapping if a if I've got to get

742
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: the crossroads and there's a lot of coyuchsign there, I'm

743
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: not gonna put one trap there. I'm gonna put three

744
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: or four because of course, gyles often travel as smaller units.

745
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: And if I think I got a buck man he's

746
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: crossing this rib somewhere, you know, going to this water

747
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: source somewhere, Heck, yeah, I'm gonna put three or four

748
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: cameras in there because I'm just guessing otherwise. So one

749
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: more trail camera situation then for him, and this will

750
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of will zoom out to a slightly more generic situation.

751
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: So let's let's not say we're trying to kill one

752
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: specific buck, but instead this is just pay you know,

753
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: let's go back to that forty acre property you mentioned earlier.

754
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: You've got this forty acre property, and now I want

755
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: to just better understand how you what your what your

756
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: typical starting point trail camera setup would be. So let's

757
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: imagine I'll give you a little more detail on this property. Now,

758
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: let's imagine this forty acres and you have two food plots.

759
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: Those are your two food sources. The rest of the

760
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: forty acres is tim or brush, that kind of stuff,

761
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: of which two really good betting thickets are within. So

762
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: you've got two food plots, you've got two really great

763
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: betting thickets. And let's say one of those thickets is

764
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: in the valley, one of those thickets up on a bridge. Okay,

765
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: there's your there's your property. You have four cameras at

766
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: your disposal. Where and how would you place your four

767
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: cameras across this type of property. If it's early season

768
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: and I don't believe deer dispersed and chasing acorns all

769
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: up down the ridges, I'm gonna focus on those food plots.

770
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: Assuming I've got a decent food plot crop in they're

771
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: planning to establish one, And even if the deer getting

772
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: near after dark, I'm gonna pay attention to, you know,

773
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: what direction they came from where they exited, and once

774
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: I get a hint of a pattern, then I'll chase

775
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: them a little bit, you know, back up hundred yards

776
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: or yards or whatever. I myself stay out of bedding

777
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: areas until the pre rut and then I try just

778
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: out if I can. I just that's a real sensitive

779
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: area deer. Having a lot of GPS collars on deer

780
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: throughout my career. If you bump a deer from a

781
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: bedding area, they tend to get a little bit more upset.

782
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: And if you're bumping off a food source or something

783
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: like that, and they expect to be bumped around food sources, right,

784
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: that's how they're created. They get this big old room,

785
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: and I often try to share with people, and I

786
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: usually get some odd faces. But a deer's number one

787
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: predator defense mechanism is not its nose or size or

788
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: his ear. It's it's belly. And in reason it's it's belly.

789
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: You know you've watched ear. They especially to heavy pressure.

790
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: They come out where there's some sun hitting the ground

791
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: or getting native native forbes or food plot or whatever,

792
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: and they eat real quick, and then they go back

793
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: into bushes and they regurgitate it and show it up

794
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: more and swallowed again. If they had to eat like

795
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: we do, they'd be standing in that food plot for

796
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: an hour and be much more exposed to predation. So, uh,

797
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: food is key to deer. They're gonna need it every day.

798
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Dey are gonna consume approximately lots of variables in here.

799
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Don't send me hate mail, but about five of their

800
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: body weight to day driveway. That's all the moisture. So

801
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: you got lush clover. It could be seventy water. So

802
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: now you're talking about eating a whole bunch of pounds

803
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: every day to get that driveway. So they're gonna eat

804
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot and that's gonna be a daily routine. And

805
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: if they're not coming to daylight, I still gained critical

806
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: information of where they're coming from, when where they're going.

807
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, if I could add, truck cameras

808
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: are awesome. I'm a kind of truck camera for you

809
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: can have too many. Um, don't tell my wife I

810
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: admitted that. But if you go to the skin and

811
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: ship your buddy kills a deer, and no one likes

812
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: to do this, right because you get your hands and

813
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: smelly whatever. But after you're done a vis rating, it

814
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: go up the esophagus. If it's a bug, pullow it

815
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: out you know you want in a cape or whatever.

816
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: But because what you find is that you know that

817
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: your buddy harvested this deer forty five in the morning,

818
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: and you got the esophagist, you're gonna get a pretty

819
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: good idea where he was the previous hour, because food

820
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: moves a little bit slow. And you say, oh, man,

821
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: he's known in the neighbor's cornfield. There's some corn up

822
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: there about six inches down from his throat or you know,

823
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is. That's your timetable. We call that scouting

824
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: from the skinning ship, and it's a little bit more

825
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: accurate than looking in the room. And because once we

826
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: get some room and it could sit there quite a while.

827
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: It does sit through quite a while. Of course, they

828
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: just start breaking down from the acids in there. But boy,

829
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: and you can get the softish. You can just backtrack

830
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: a cup hun her yards and know exactly where that

831
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: deer was. That's a great idea. I like that a lot.

832
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: So let's move the time forward. On that scenario you mentioned,

833
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: you'd be focusing on the food plots in the early season.

834
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: With this, you know, forty acres, two plots, two thickets,

835
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: one ridge. Once we get a little later in the year,

836
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: when when would your trail camera placement shift if at

837
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: all as you get later into the year. Yeah, if

838
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I noticed the browse pressure decreasing, I'm I'm always gonna

839
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: have a utilization cage and all my plots for multiple reasons.

840
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: But one is during hunting season. You know it's foot

841
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: tall inside your basket and eight inches tall outside, and

842
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, there's only two inches difference.

843
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: I know that the deer have left to go chase

844
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: a corns or local agg field or something, and I

845
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: need to be hunting somewhere else. And so you know

846
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: our white oaks hit the ground. Guys at my house

847
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: or you know, neighbor's house swears big white oak out

848
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: the yard, and it's just raining. And that's five minutes

849
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: from where my hunt. I need to be chasing those

850
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: white oaks. And I'm gonna go to the ridge top. Now,

851
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: deer're gonna eat on the side ridges and the bottoms,

852
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: but my chances of my wind staying in a constant

853
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: direction is way higher on the ridge top. So I'm

854
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: gonna just get on that ridge top. Bucks love the

855
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: cruise that ridge top because it's easier, less calories to

856
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: the cruise during the pre rutt and rut and find

857
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: me some great, big old white oaks that are cruising

858
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: up there. You know this this is anything but scientific,

859
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: But through the years I've seemed to notice, you know,

860
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: it's it's like almost every property un list was clearer

861
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: cut twenty years ago or something that could be that great,

862
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: big old treat. It's twice as big as the other

863
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: trees made. There's a fence halfway going through it or whatever.

864
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: They couldn't cut it, and it's almost I Dear use

865
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: those giant trees as road markers. Oh, we turned right

866
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: up here at the big tree. Yeah. I know it

867
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: sounds so, you know, kind of quacky, but so many

868
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: times when I you know, buddy ay Man, I know

869
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: you're passing through once you come home on one afternoon

870
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have me to dance. How go you

871
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: got this race? Go down this ridge and hunt. I

872
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: don't have you in tweet what I'm doing my default

873
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: and net scenarios find the biggest tree on the ridge,

874
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: because I believe, Dear use that as a road mark

875
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: m I feel like, anecdotally, I've seen the same kind

876
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: of thing too, and it fits into Dove's tails perfectly.

877
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: To my next question, and maybe your answer will apply

878
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: to this too. But another situation similar to what you

879
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: described that a lot of people dread is the band

880
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: in her acorn year, like the year, and let's say

881
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: they're in like a big timber area like you hunt,

882
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: you know down there in southern Missouri, where there's acorns everywhere.

883
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: How how do you narrow things down and approach your

884
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: hunt when they can eat every darn place they turn? Okay,

885
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: so we gotta think this, dude, there's acorns everywhere. That's

886
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: not a limiting factor. Um. You may know in the

887
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: pass as certain trees for whatever reason, your preferred the

888
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: acorns there first over other trees. But what else is there?

889
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: So if acorns aren't working for me because they're everywhere,

890
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: is there a redline? Is there a pinch point going

891
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: in those acorns? Acorns are really dry. If you're eating

892
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: a lot of acorns are going to water. That's a given.

893
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: Acorns have low moisture content compared to lush plover soybeans

894
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: or something, so they're if they're really on acorns. People

895
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: get all goofy about acorns, but what else they have

896
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: to have? Every day? We'll have to have water. I

897
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: still got you, Mark, yep, I still got you. Sorry.

898
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: So water can be a big thing when deer heavy

899
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: on acorns and water unless you got a you know,

900
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: a lake or a big creek or something's gonna usually

901
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: be a more limited factor. And by the way, again,

902
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, don't have data to prove this, but I've

903
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: seen it a lot. Do you prefer drinking out of

904
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: a little pond, you know, a cow track something small

905
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: that a big rushing river And if you think about

906
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: when they're by that big rushing river, they don't have

907
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: near as good predator fence that's making noise kind of

908
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: reduces their hearing potential, and you know, and the a

909
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: preador could trap them against the waterline, make them get

910
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: in the water. So I love a little ten or

911
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: twenty ft pond h for deer hunting. Does your does

912
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: your take on the big acorn near it all change

913
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: from time of year? So does water really play into

914
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: it earlier in the year but not so much during

915
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: the run? Or is like that kind of thing the same,

916
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna run the same pro Graham in the heavy

917
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: acorn years. No matter what which is find the limiting

918
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: factor in this case maybe water or that pinch point

919
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: and play that one. Yeah, pinch points are always awesome.

920
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: But water, of course, they're in your season. You would

921
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: expect it's hotter, and deer don't have sweatguns, sweat glands,

922
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: excuse me. They pant to get rid of water like

923
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: a dog. So you're eating something really dry. It's hot

924
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and dry outside. Water just becomes even more valuable at

925
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: that early season, and then a little later during the

926
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: pre rut, where the bucks aren't necessarily on a feeding pattern,

927
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: they're eating that they're you know, the first five percent

928
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: of dose are receptives, so they're bouncing around trying to

929
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: get that limited date. Uh again, they're moving like they

930
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: have to have water. They're like an athlete, they have

931
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: to have water. Uh So, water I think is especially

932
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: in areas where waters are more limited. I mean water

933
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: in South Florida is not a limiting factor. Don't try

934
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: to hunt water. You probably get bit by a gator

935
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: and be it's just everywhere you know, you just you're

936
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: not there's no pitch point there. But if you're in

937
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: ridge and valley type stuff, there's not a creek and

938
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: never valley up. A little pond on a ridge stop

939
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: can be a great place to hunt during those times.

940
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: The early early season, it's hot if it's hot and dry,

941
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and during the pre rut win deer just running a lot,

942
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: covering a lot more yards per day and needs some

943
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: watery Speaking of it being hot, then let's let's consider

944
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: a new scenario that's the opposite of that. So let's

945
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: say it's October, mid October and the first big cold

946
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: front of the year hits. It's dropping i don't know,

947
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: twenty five degrees cooler than it was on the previous

948
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: days high and you have some weird scheduling things of

949
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: going on, and you are only available to hunt the

950
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: next morning after the cold front hits, or that evening.

951
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: So you get you can hunt the next day after

952
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: the cold front. It's either the morning or the evening.

953
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: You can only pick one. Which of those sits would

954
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: you choose to hunt? Why is that? And then you know,

955
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: paint for me your perfect spot for that kind of

956
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: hunt on that kind of day. I'm gonna throw in

957
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: just a couple more variables. It's almost always easier for

958
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: hunters to move into position in the afternoon when we

959
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: would think dear or bedded up. Yeah, I love morning hunting.

960
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: But unless you've got that special stand and when I

961
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: call it backdoorsdy and you dear out in the beanfield

962
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: and you're coming in totally opposite direction and it wins

963
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: right and you just let them come to you. Afternoon

964
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: hunts are easier for hunters to get in position. So

965
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna weigh that in and if everything's equal, I'm

966
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: going with the afternoon hunt. Um. I love hunting the

967
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: day after the front goes through. And if that front

968
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: past midday night and hunt in the afternoon, that would

969
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: be awesome. But weighing those odds of the first one,

970
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: I might fudge a little bit towards the afternoon hunt.

971
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: By the way, I like about a ten percent or

972
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: more greater temperature change. A lot of people get hung

973
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: up on the actual degrees, but ten degrees between seventy

974
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: and eighty and ten degrees between twenty and thirty there's

975
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: a whole big difference there. So I'm looking for a

976
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: percent change, and and I really like days that are

977
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: ten percent or more change. That's favorable. So if it's

978
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: warm in the fall and it's cooler tempercent cooler, I

979
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: really like that. If it's been wicked code and the

980
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: first day it warms up ten percent deer you're gonna

981
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: be everywhere, They're gonna be feed. So I look at

982
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: as percent change versus an actual number, and I liked

983
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: right after the front is past, if I can approach

984
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: hunt next without alerting deer, Okay, I love it. So

985
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: that first evening then is your chance. You've got the

986
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: nice temperature drop. Can you paint for me a picture

987
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: of what that location would be, Let's say, on on

988
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: your home farm. Can you imagine what you're you know,

989
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: all of the things being equal with no obviously we

990
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: have no m R. But if you could imagine a

991
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: perfect situation for October fifteenth, you're waiting for the afternoon hunt.

992
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: What kind of spot would be perfect for that day

993
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: in your mind? Yeah, if we have a wide oak crop,

994
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: they're going to white oaks here in most places, and

995
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: we we have white oaks, but we have probably eight

996
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: decent red oaks or a white oaks or kind of

997
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: pinch points, if you will. And so I'm probably gonna

998
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: be in wide oaks, big mature white oaks, and I'm

999
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna be on a ridge top, not the deer again

1000
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: or eating on slopes. But my wind is gonna the

1001
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: wind direction is gonna stay much more consistent on the

1002
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: ridge topic. And I kind of explained that if you're

1003
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: a trout fisherman ever fishing good trout stream, there's eddies

1004
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: everywhere because it's hitting the rock or cutting a buy

1005
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: ank or whatever. And then if you go to the

1006
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: big metro area and they got these concrete ditches for

1007
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: flood control, there's no eddies out there because the water

1008
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: is not hitting anything. And so that's so true for

1009
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: air movement. So I love hunting Western Kansas. I look

1010
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: like a really good hunter in Western Kansas because the

1011
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: wind comes off the rockies today, it did yesterday, did

1012
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago. I'm just gonna do it the

1013
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: next hundred years. So the wind direction is pretty dog

1014
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: on consistent unless there's a big front or storm going

1015
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: on and it comes off those rockies and just sweeps

1016
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: across that flat prairie out there. And so you know

1017
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: the wind direction and everything's in section line, so you

1018
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: can almost always get east of it. Wind's gonna be

1019
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: out to west something west and and get to your stand.

1020
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: And the same thing is true if you're if you

1021
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: own the property or if your Grandma's properly or whatever.

1022
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: And you've done some habitat work, and you have done

1023
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: t sized timber standard provemtter. You know, you took out

1024
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of lower quality trees and left the best.

1025
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: There's fewer eddies out there, there's more room for the

1026
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: wind to build up speed going tree to tree. When

1027
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: you're hunting in closed cannot be thick forest. There's gonna

1028
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: be eddies everywhere, and it's really tough not to get busted.

1029
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: So I've been there. Um. Would your answer to that

1030
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: question on choosing the morning or the evening my original question,

1031
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: would that change if I fast forwarded the date from

1032
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: October up to November or would you still pick that evening? No,

1033
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: you know, in November I probably have to skip work,

1034
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: get in trouble and hunt. Both times. You gotta be

1035
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: out there. But I love mornings in November. I'm a

1036
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: morning person. I'm a morning hunter. But that time year,

1037
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: I feel we can get away with more entering our

1038
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: stand because the bucks are not on a pattern. They're

1039
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: they're looking for a date and they're not on a pattern,

1040
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: or rarely are they on a pattern, and so you

1041
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: I'll risk more getting closer to betting areas or whatever.

1042
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: Take a more direct route, because the buck is liable

1043
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: to comfort about anywhere unless you got a really great

1044
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: pinch point. You know, it just narrows down, the river,

1045
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: narrows you down, whatever. And I'm gonna be hunting mornings

1046
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: that time of year, and it means if I can,

1047
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: but if only one in the morning. Yeah, I like

1048
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: your idea, just paying the in the consequence of skipping

1049
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: work and making it happen. I got another one here.

1050
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: That's that's a little bit of a downer, another downer

1051
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: here for you. But let's say you hunted your evening

1052
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: of October and let's say it worked out great. You

1053
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: picked that perfect spot and the buck comes in and

1054
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: you get a shot at the deer. In your mind's

1055
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: eye when you think back on this shot. Now, let's

1056
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: say you're not filming, so you can't actually look at

1057
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: the film, but in your mind you're thinking, man, I

1058
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: think I think it hit lungs, maybe like back of

1059
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: the lungs. And you decide to get on the blood

1060
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: trail within an hour hour and a half something like that,

1061
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: and the trail isn't as good as you're hoping for.

1062
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: It's kind of spotty and it takes you, you know,

1063
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: past two hundred yards. You're still on blood, but it's spotty,

1064
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: and you have not found him. Now after about two

1065
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: fifty yards, it's been you know, two hours probably now

1066
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: since the shot. What would you do in that specific scenario?

1067
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: You think it's back of lungs, two hundred plus yard

1068
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of spotty blood trail. Do you keep pushing a

1069
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: deer like that? Do you stop? Uh? And let's say

1070
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: this was an evening hunt, right, so it's after dark. Now,

1071
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: how would you handle this specific tracking scenario? Yeah, and

1072
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: unless there is a big rainfront moving in, I'm backing

1073
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: out October fifteen. Most of the white tail's range. It's

1074
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: cool enough meat and take an awful lot without spoiling

1075
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: way more than I think most hunters realize. And I'm

1076
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: just backing out. I might have been tempted to back

1077
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: out a hundred yards. Now, I'm gonna try if I

1078
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: recover the raw to really studies smell, touch, how sticky

1079
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: as the blood, of course, what color it is. I'm

1080
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: trying to gain as much intail from the arrow and

1081
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: the spore on the ground as I can before I

1082
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: ever get ting her yards down the trail. But if

1083
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm tuner yards and the blood trail is not changing,

1084
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: it's just drip, drip, drip, I'm backing out for sure. Yeah,

1085
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: and back out all the way till the next morning,

1086
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? I'll be there sunrise about it

1087
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: next morning, not at in time. But the odds are

1088
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: really great. The deer has either passed or it's gonna survive,

1089
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: or it's gonna survive for five or six days until

1090
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: the infection. Stepson, Well, I hope, I hope in that

1091
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: scenario when you wait the next morning, he's right there

1092
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: and you've got him. But we're gonna we're gonna pretend

1093
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: like you didn't, and we're gonna pretend that it is

1094
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: now the third week of October and you're hunting again.

1095
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: And here's a scenario that I've actually been in myself.

1096
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: This is this is pulled right out of my own history,

1097
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: and it's one I've had different. You know, I think

1098
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: a lot of us have had something similar to this. Um,

1099
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: you're hunting this buck. You've gotten daylight trail camera pictures

1100
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: of him, a handful of evenings in daylight in a

1101
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: small heidy hoole food plot. You have hunted that spot

1102
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: two times in the month of October so far. So

1103
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: over the last twenty one days, you've one in twice

1104
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: after him. It's like you get a daylight picture, maybe

1105
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: in your cell camera, and you think, all right, I

1106
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: got the same conditions that go back in the next

1107
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: night he's a no show. And then it happens again,

1108
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: like a week later, you get the daylight picture of

1109
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: my food. You try to hunt him there again. The

1110
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: next night, he's a no show. Each time you've done it,

1111
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: the same thing has happened. What do you do in

1112
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: that scenario if you're trying to get that buckets now

1113
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: the third week in October, you've had this thing happened

1114
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: a couple of times, what if anything would you do

1115
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: to try to fine tune moving in towards the you know,

1116
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: pre rut into the rut. Yeah, probably gonna go back

1117
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: to an early conversation and reposition a few cameras in

1118
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: the area and not in true too much, but try

1119
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: to pick up some more intail and I would really

1120
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: consider my approach. Is this buck really that random? And

1121
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: it may be because my joke cameras will getting picture

1122
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: once a week, and no, those are the toughest bucks

1123
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: to hunt, or or am I lerning this dear somehow

1124
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: getting there? And often we think, well, the truck camera

1125
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: picture shows him coming from pick a direction to west,

1126
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: He's better way down, not holler somewhere. But many, many

1127
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: times deer have a very secuitous or curby route getting

1128
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: to where they're going to feed or wherever they're going.

1129
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: And heck he maybe you know, he may be walking

1130
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: thirty yards from where I'm parking my vehicle or walking

1131
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: in or whatever. And so I never count on until

1132
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: unless I really know my habitat, and I've maintained my habitat,

1133
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: I've done long improvements, and I'm kind of planning how

1134
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: dear are going to travel. We really never know how

1135
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: dear are getting there based on a still picture. I

1136
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: would add this though, Um, I have no problem hunting

1137
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: the same stand for many days in a row, if

1138
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm very convinced I have not lerned, dear. If you're

1139
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: not learning, dear, it doesn't matter. You know, people always

1140
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: ask me, hey, can you have to stand more than

1141
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: one one day? Can you hunt a two days? You know,

1142
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: in a hundred days. If you're not learning deer. May

1143
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: not be a good choice to hunt it that many days,

1144
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: but it's all about learning deer. Like I have a

1145
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: buddy here lives close by me and good mountain hunter.

1146
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: He missed, you know, the buck of a lifetime here

1147
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: in Nilo's arts with the bow at twenty yards of

1148
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: a big oak tree and bucker Darrow hit the ground

1149
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: and you know, ran off. He just said, calls me up.

1150
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 1: Just just sit I said, Man, that deer just hurts

1151
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: some noise. I can go back. If the winds are

1152
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: saying tomorrow, I'd go back there, no problem. If he

1153
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: did not look at you, see you act like he

1154
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: smelled you. He just hurts some noise, and he probably

1155
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: does not associate that with human danger. You know, a

1156
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: similar kind of offshoot of that we talked earlier about

1157
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: how how we both prefer you know, wield access or exit.

1158
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: What about that kind of situation like hunting the same

1159
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: place and every night to get out of you get

1160
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: picked up. Do you feel like it eventually has some

1161
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of a cruel of negativity where you know, you

1162
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: hunt that stand six times in November throughout October and

1163
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: you get picked up every night. Is eventually that going

1164
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: to start to kind of wear on things or you

1165
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: you feel like that's pretty bulletproof and you can get

1166
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: away with that over and over as long as the

1167
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: other things you mentioned are true. Yeah, as the other

1168
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: factors come into play, I don't worry about I think

1169
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: about golf courses or going down you know, any city highway. St. Louis, wherever, Atlanta. Uh,

1170
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: they're really conditioning those things as long as they don't

1171
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: associate them with danger. Right. There's some great research where, uh,

1172
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: everyone sees people hunting over feeder in South Texas and

1173
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, twenty bucks file in seventeen thousand doos it

1174
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: seems like or whatever, and you know day after day, Well,

1175
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: that's limited hunting pressure on those big ranches. If you

1176
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: go to the deep South where hunting is you know,

1177
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: like going to school, you just do it every day. Um,

1178
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: those feeders get so much pressure do you become extremely

1179
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: nocturnal feeders and you'd be much better to hunt some rails.

1180
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: So it's got a little You need to take all

1181
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: these I guess in context a little bit. And my

1182
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: big thing is that try to not alert deer because

1183
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: I think we'd all rather hunt a golf course deer

1184
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: than the middle of the public land there where the

1185
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: deer just got stand there and looking at you, and

1186
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: so I like to and golf courses at man, they

1187
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: got herbicide and fungicide and secticide and mowing and people

1188
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: and golf carts. Old lady who laying in the bush

1189
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: is looking for a golf ball, and the deer don't care.

1190
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: They stand around right because there's no perceived danger. Or

1191
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: my favorite one is I used to have quite their

1192
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: work for DLD Department of Defense, you know that's been

1193
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: about timson or budget on environment or wildlife whatever. And

1194
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: and many times I've seen you know, a hundred and

1195
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: fifty of America's best in their practiced with automatic weapons

1196
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: and twenty deer feeding on the down wind side. And

1197
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: there's two major lessons there. The deer totally conditioned to it.

1198
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: Of course our best. They're not shooting at them because

1199
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: they'd probably you know, have to go to the brig

1200
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. And they're always gonna be in

1201
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: a predom it down the inside. Because gunpowder is a

1202
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: hypercent nitrogen. That's probably the most fertilized place on the

1203
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: base where all those gunshots should going. Verst blowing that

1204
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: gun smoke, and they will be our our trap ranges

1205
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: or anything else. You'll see a ton of deer on

1206
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: the big shooting ranges, usually because it's super fertilized with nitrogen. Interesting,

1207
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: very interesting. I want to take one step back to

1208
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: the the original question that that food plot where you're

1209
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: getting the daylight pictures, but then every time you go

1210
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: in there the next day, he's not there, even though

1211
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: he was daylight the day before, and you mentioned, you know,

1212
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: you should do a little bit of oh, I don't know,

1213
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: kind of assess your access and think about, you know,

1214
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: am I blowing him out? Am I learning him some way?

1215
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: I've sometimes thought about that and and just not known,

1216
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: and I've been mad. I don't know. I don't know

1217
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: if I am. I don't think I am. But I've

1218
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: sometimes thought, I'm just gonna throw a curveball. I'm just

1219
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna take a completely different route than I ever have,

1220
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: and it may be way longer, way more pain in

1221
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: the butt. Maybe it will hurt me in other ways.

1222
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: But I have sometimes thought, like, hey, just try something

1223
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: completely different than you always do because something's not quite

1224
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: working in that way. UM, do you ever consider that,

1225
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: do you ever do something like that. I do, but

1226
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: I will admit it's usually out of frustration and often

1227
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: not the best choice. I mean, if you've got a

1228
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: planned route, you're pretty confident it's not learning dear, your

1229
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: your buddies dropping you off. You're walking down the road

1230
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: or whatever, versus going through the bushes and brush and

1231
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise and leaving a lot of

1232
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: scent on stuff you're wiping on getting there. Probably not

1233
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: the best I'm not saying it hasn't worked for people,

1234
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: but probably not the best idea. I would probably be

1235
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: more likely to if I had an extra stand. I

1236
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: need to pull that stand just moving if I if

1237
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: I have truck in or pictures in. The buck again

1238
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: always comes in from the west. I'm gonna move down

1239
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: in the in the timber fifty yards and see if

1240
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: the staging out there out of view of me. Yeah, yeah,

1241
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense, uh, speaking of bucks

1242
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: out of are kind of out of range, but maybe

1243
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: in view. I've got another scenario here that speaks to

1244
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: her that, you know, I think we can speak to

1245
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: what to do in a situation where there's that buck

1246
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: that's out of range. Let's say, continuing down the calendar.

1247
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: Late October, We're sitting in a tree stand somewhere and

1248
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: we see a mature buck that you're interested in shooting.

1249
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: But he's about a hundred yards away, and he is

1250
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: on a path that if he were to continue about

1251
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: another one hundred yards, he'll eventually pass through your wind. So,

1252
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: in this scenario, late October, hundred yard away shooter buck,

1253
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: but heading towards your wind eventually, what's your go to move?

1254
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: Are you gonna aggressively call? Are you gonna not call

1255
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: at all because you're worried he'll eventually circle down wind?

1256
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: What's your take? How do you handle that? Yeah, that's

1257
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: a great question mark, And and one of the most

1258
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: important things about calling or running is considering to win

1259
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: and the buck's likely path. I think that's more important

1260
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: than the actual call you're using. Um So, if he's

1261
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: a hundred yards from hitting my wind, I'm probably gonna

1262
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: grunt because I'm gonna gamble. He's gonna turn. He's not

1263
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: coming straight to me, but he's gonna turn and get

1264
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: shooting range before he cuts my wind. If he's third

1265
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 1: yards from hit my win, his arc is probably gonna

1266
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: take him into my win and I'm just I'm not

1267
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna add I'm not gonna let him pinpoint me by calling,

1268
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna let him hit my win and

1269
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: and wish he had. Yeah. So I I used to

1270
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: grunt call launch, one of my favorite tools. I don't

1271
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: blind grunt much because unless I'm just in a stand,

1272
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: are you on my backs to a river or highway

1273
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: or something, They're just not getting behind me, very likely

1274
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: blind calling. I had a really good friend, Selver, really

1275
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: good friend Mickey Helixon, did a bunch of work with

1276
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: jeep or radio collars and rattling on a large ranch

1277
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: in Texas, really high dollar research when we were both

1278
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: were in grad school many years ago. And I don't

1279
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: remember his acting numbers, just like thirty years ago. But

1280
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: I think as many bucks circle around him, he they

1281
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: would have observers up in these thirty ft tall stands,

1282
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: and he'd be on the ground rattling, and he only

1283
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: saw like remember bucks, because the rest come in from

1284
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: behind him and winning him. So but the bucks he

1285
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: saw where bucks he had to see out in front

1286
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: of him with a positive win and rattled, and they

1287
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: did come in and he saw them. So I'm a

1288
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: little selective when I use my grunt, but I have

1289
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: no problem throwing it out there as long as I

1290
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: think the bucks natural path is going to get to

1291
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: me before at least in shot range, before he cuts

1292
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: my wind? Is there? And I know it's just you

1293
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: probably don't have a hard line, But is there any

1294
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: kind of if you had to put a number on

1295
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: it about what distance is that that that buck needs

1296
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: to be away from hitting your wind where you'll feel comfortable.

1297
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: You mentioned that thirty yards will be too close, but

1298
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: is there a maximum? Like? Is it sixty? Is it?

1299
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: Is it? What would that never be? No? I think

1300
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on the lay of land. You

1301
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: can kind of look up there in envision. Wear's a

1302
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: buck most likely to travel? You know? Is there a

1303
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: bunch of rocks or a fence or something that's gonna

1304
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: turn him towards you a little sooner? I think that's

1305
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: a side by side. I will tell you one time, Uh,

1306
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: I was hunting on a property where we really needed

1307
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: to remove a lot of females and a female six

1308
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: month old deer come in and you know, Landard just said, hey, Grant,

1309
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: and you're shooting buck you want? But I really need

1310
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: to shooting. Never know, you can in the States really

1311
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: liberal seasons, and still sure enough, you know, thirty four

1312
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: minutes for a dark, this young of the year female

1313
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: comes in, gets about seven yards away, and I said,

1314
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: well that's what the you know, my my host told

1315
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: me to do. So I launched a narrow and it

1316
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: it dies seven yards behind me. They're like, okay, one

1317
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: one tag down, think about and it's just, you know,

1318
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: it's prime. Now we're twenty minutes from dark and food

1319
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: pot behind me, acorns in front of me. I'm it's

1320
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: it's a good setup, sitting there, setting there and fair enough.

1321
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: I look over in a a very mature DearS easing

1322
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: up to ridge. He's down there by eight yards and

1323
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of coming a direction that's gonna bring him

1324
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: behind me to that faun and stood in my shooting lane,

1325
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh my goodness, this is horrible. I mean,

1326
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a four day hunt. Here comes

1327
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: a nice buck, but it looks like he's gonna miss

1328
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 1: my shooting lane and over that fun and that's exactly

1329
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: what happens. And it's important, member, dear, do not associate

1330
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: dead animals land around like we might associate find a

1331
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: dead person in the woods while we're hunting or something

1332
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: at all. So he walks up and this is way

1333
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: preru reil, early season. I can't get a shot to

1334
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: the back of the tree brush. I didn't trim me

1335
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: limbs out the back, and he's smelling the fawn and

1336
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, doing the normal buck thing like oh my gosh,

1337
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: this is just you know, so close but so far

1338
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: away and um. Then he walked over and smelled my arrow,

1339
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: which he wasn't expecting, and that kind of alert him

1340
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, and he kind of just started cut

1341
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: and half circle, and when the half circle hit my range,

1342
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: I poked one through the boiler room. So in that case,

1343
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: in that particular case, being patient work, but I didn't

1344
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: grunt because I thought the grunt was out of season.

1345
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: It's early season, and the smell of that female on

1346
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: the ground was too much of a combination and it

1347
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: just worked out right. And and by the way, I'd

1348
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: like to share here that about twenty of the mature

1349
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: bucks I've tagged since I've been on enough to keep

1350
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 1: records have been tagged out of that same standard blind

1351
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: that I had already harvested a dough that hunt, not

1352
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: a week before, not the day before that same hunt,

1353
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: like an hour before or thirty minutes before. And I've

1354
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: never had a big buck come in and bust out

1355
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: there because there was a dead dough laying on the ground.

1356
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I just hope if I'm firing hunting, I double shoulder

1357
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: shoot and try to drop him right there. It within range.

1358
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't want him running over the hill. And in

1359
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: my mind, that is the best attractant I've ever used,

1360
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: was a dough harvested during that same hunt. Do you

1361
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: ever get him? I guess, I mean, I guess that

1362
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: example you just shared. Have you ever had other situations

1363
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: where the buck smells that dough and comes right into

1364
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: arrange to that spot and stops me? Oh? Many times

1365
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: we have many episodes showing down. Yeah, I mean every

1366
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: it seems like every year here, one of me or

1367
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: one of my guests, whatever has that scenario right here

1368
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: on the proving grounds every year. Because we try to

1369
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: harvest a lot of dos and my neighbors try to

1370
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: harvest a lot of bucks, you kind of find that

1371
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: balanced in there. And uh, I mean it's happened that

1372
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: my daughters and Daniel and myself multiple times and these

1373
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: are you tend to be often pretty mature bucks, and

1374
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,919
Speaker 1: they're walked right in there, especially during the rut Missouri's

1375
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: farm seasons during the rut, and they're poked her antlers

1376
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: inner and try to get her stand up. They do

1377
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: not associate death like we do. I find it dead

1378
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: human out there in the you know, in the timber.

1379
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out and you know, calling the cops or something.

1380
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: But beer just do not have that response up it all. Yeah, yeah,

1381
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: it's a good reminder. What about this one? This is

1382
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of a different iteration of that shot

1383
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: example I mentioned earlier. You know, I talked about you

1384
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: get the shot that's not necessarily as great a hit

1385
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: as you wanted. YadA, YadA, YadA. What about a situation?

1386
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 1: Will say, it's early November, it's a morning hunt. You

1387
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: get a shot of deer and you just miss completely.

1388
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: You blank on this buck. The buck runs off. What

1389
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: do you do in the hours following that, Let's say

1390
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: the misses like nine am. What do you do from

1391
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: nine am through the rest of that day. Do you

1392
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: just keep on hunting or do you back out and

1393
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: go home and shoot? Do you do anything to check

1394
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: what's going on? What would you be thinking about or

1395
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: considering or doing after a misslike that on the I

1396
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: am early November. Yeah, so I think most of us,

1397
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: if we're honest with ourselves, we know we shut our

1398
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: eyes or punched the trigger. You know, we did something

1399
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: and then they heated a battle. It's a little tougher

1400
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: to uh sort that out. But if I whipped the

1401
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: shot I missed, I'm the blame, not the bow, not

1402
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: decide I missed. I'm right there in the tree, and

1403
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: I do a lot talking to myself about my confidence

1404
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: because my confidence is the the most the worst part

1405
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: of my shooting skill at that time. If if I

1406
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: turned around to the cameraman or just think myself, Manna,

1407
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: the pin was solid, it was just setting there. How

1408
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: did I miss that thing? Then I'm probably getting down

1409
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: it and probably what I would do. I didn't have

1410
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: a squirrel. I'm a hillbilly, so I didn't have a

1411
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: squirrel al like Wuever. I don't know if you know

1412
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: a squirrel areas something. It's dumb or something, But it's

1413
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: gonna be tuned. I take tuning very serious, and it's

1414
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna fly like my broad heads and I'm gonna back out.

1415
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: Are she right from the tree there? You know, I'm

1416
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: gonna find a rotten stump or something and I'm gonna

1417
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: whip it. And if I hit, then I go, well,

1418
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: I did just miss. And if I also miss a

1419
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: foot or two or ten ft or whatever it was,

1420
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: and I'm going home and tune them. What about that

1421
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: self talking you mentioned, like, if your confidence is shot,

1422
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna kind of talk to yourself, like what goes

1423
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: on in the head of grant Woods after a whiff?

1424
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: How do you psych yourself up? How do you shake

1425
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: yourself out of it? What does that look like? Mark?

1426
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm sixty one and I've had two kidney transplants. I'm

1427
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: in great health, as you know. Uh, but I'm too

1428
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: old and had laid during the bed too many times

1429
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: waiting for it to go beep them next time to

1430
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: make excuses in my life anymore so for me personally,

1431
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna own my heirs. That's just something I lived

1432
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: by and so I'm gonna admit but and usually I

1433
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: whipped it. Here as a bow hunter, here's my thing.

1434
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: I I have pretty good warm after all these years,

1435
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I shoot decent them. I can make

1436
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: it happen. When I air, I shut my eyes target panting.

1437
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: After all these years, it didn't matter if I'm shooting

1438
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: at a target or a deer or a hog or whatever.

1439
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: When I missed, it's like nine, it's never the bow's fault,

1440
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: almost because I have my bow to and I'm I'm

1441
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna know my equipment. I shut my eyes, and it's

1442
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: amazing how far that pen can move between when you

1443
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: you tell your brain release and when you actually release

1444
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: if you shut your eyes. So for me, just personally

1445
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: me again, I'm gonna with the squirrel area arrow and

1446
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell myself, you keep your eyes open. If

1447
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: you know some people tape on their bow, pick a

1448
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: spot or some of those saying like that. Mine is

1449
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: keep your eyes open. And if I keep my eyes open,

1450
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: it's it's probably gonna work out just fine. I mean,

1451
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: you always, you know, you can drop your bow, booging

1452
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: up your sides. But if I dropped my bow, heaven

1453
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: forbid going into a stand. I'm gonna shoot with my

1454
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: phone light or something. For I ever get up mass stand.

1455
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna set there and worry on morning, because

1456
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be a good hunter. Yeah. Yeah, I've

1457
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: been through those situations myself too, and uh and yeah

1458
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: it's no fun, but she's gotta push through it and

1459
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: own it and get better. Right. I think for all

1460
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: of us this is maybe a little off target here,

1461
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: and no pun intended that if we own our mistakes,

1462
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: life just goes a lot easier. So true. One of

1463
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: the most important things I feel like my dad ever

1464
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: taught me was just accept responsibility for stuff. There's no

1465
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: better way to deal with something than accept it, take responsibility,

1466
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: and do something about them. Let's take I'm gonna I'm

1467
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: on your dime here, but I'm gonna take this one

1468
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: step further, please do uh. I have a counselor, not

1469
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: a counselor, but a wise person that teaches me a lot,

1470
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: and his statement is your lack of responsibility becomes someone

1471
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: else's responsibility. And I think when it's framed like that,

1472
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,919
Speaker 1: at least to me, I'm I'm gonna be better accepting

1473
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: my own responsibility. Yeah, out of out of almost the

1474
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: guilt of forcing that obligation on someone else. Yeah. Yeah,

1475
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, take a simple thing, Okay, I my wife's

1476
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: been take care of her dad, and I leave a

1477
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: mess in a scenk and she's had a long day

1478
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: and she comes home, she's got clean it up. That's

1479
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: the way off subject. But you know, hecky, I'll take

1480
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: five minutes clean it up. Take care of your own responsibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1481
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: we'd be We've all been in a much better place,

1482
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: I think if we could always live that way. Right.

1483
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: It's one of those sometimes easier saidly done things. But man,

1484
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: absolutely a lot of truth to that. Okay, I got

1485
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: a few more of these for you, Grant, and then

1486
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: I'll let you let you off the hook. Let's talk

1487
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: through one thing that happens every I don't know, three

1488
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: or four or five years, it seems across the country,

1489
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: and people always bemoan it, which is we get to,

1490
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, the peak of the when it's spoke us

1491
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: to be the best part of the hunting season, you know,

1492
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: that first week or two in November. Let's say, for

1493
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: this scenario, will say November seven, right, And a lot

1494
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: of people like to say that's maybe the best day

1495
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: of the year. Sure, I've heard of luck. Yeah, but

1496
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: here's the catch. Conditions are poor. We've got the hot, muggy,

1497
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: nasty November that when people get it, they're just so

1498
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: bummed because they sunk their week of vacation time into it.

1499
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: Let's say November seven through the twelfth and thirteen is

1500
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: going to be in the you know, whatever it is

1501
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: for your area. Let's say it's gonna be the sixties

1502
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: or seventies, which is too hot. Will you dramatically change

1503
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: the way you hunt that week out of the usual

1504
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: because of the temperatures, or you can hunt your usual

1505
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: primo red spots despite it. No, I probably will. And

1506
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: it's not that the deer aren't moving. You know. I

1507
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: was involved in a research project many years ago, university stuff,

1508
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: and several of US researchers around America put together about

1509
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand fetal date So humans go to the doctor

1510
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: and they take an ultrasound and mas your crown to

1511
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: rump of a fetus and tell you your baby's gonna

1512
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: be born. Ex you can also back date to the

1513
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: point of conception. And so for deer, we we really

1514
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: know where they breed in most areas. Some states don't

1515
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: take very specific data. But that's not a mystery. You

1516
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: don't have to print a new calendar every year. We

1517
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: know what's going on and so you're gonna know the

1518
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: peak or to rain angel whatever. But if it's just

1519
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: really hot and you know, deer got fat on and

1520
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're in really good shape. No one

1521
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: likes running a sprint when there's you know, got a

1522
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: big down code on. So they're probably gonna move a

1523
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: little bit more at night, but they're still moving. It's

1524
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: the prom You're going to the prom um. But I'm

1525
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna hunt areas where because it's warm and muggy, my

1526
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: sense is gonna be really tough to control. And maybe

1527
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: on code days, I got some areas where the thermals

1528
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: are sinking down and I can slide in there in

1529
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: the colde morning, do good. I'm gonna avoid those areas.

1530
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: My number one thing year round or what during hunting

1531
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 1: season is not to alert deer because there's alway almost

1532
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: always another day, right unless it's the last day of season,

1533
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: there's another day. But if you're alerted deer and book

1534
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: rug this pattern for a week or two, it's really tough, honey.

1535
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: So I'm going to hunt that that week that time.

1536
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm in the Midwest also, so you know, Halloween to November,

1537
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out there somewhere and and in the

1538
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: conditions are rough, I'm still gonna be out there, but

1539
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really picky about where I put my

1540
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: stand so dere can get within range. M Are there

1541
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: any other types of areas that you would think would

1542
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: be more attractive at that time of you're like, I

1543
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: mean some people would say hunting more towards water on

1544
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: those hotter right days, anything like that. Yeah, I think

1545
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: there's there's goodie that. I mean. I like to put

1546
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: all the odds in my favor. So water in a

1547
01:19:55,080 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: bottleneck that's just uh down with in of a bedding area,

1548
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,440
Speaker 1: So a bucks cruising through there looking for a receptive

1549
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: dough and you can get a drink loaned away. Uh

1550
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna put two or three things together,

1551
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: not just one thing. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember who

1552
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: said this, but I remember hearing from someone once where

1553
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: they said that they will never sit a stand or

1554
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: a tree or blind or anything unless there's three really

1555
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: really good reasons to be there. There's got to be

1556
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 1: at least three travel corridors or three you know, motivations

1557
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: for a deer to be in that exact spot. And

1558
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: that's always helped me really fine tune things. It shouldn't

1559
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: be just like oh there's one trail. It's gotta be

1560
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: this and this and this all lined up right, you know.

1561
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: And so there's there's so many more factors, like, you know,

1562
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 1: you're in southern Ireland, there's food everywhere early season. Food

1563
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: may not be the big play, right and you're in

1564
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: the smoky mountains and there's not much food anywhere. Food

1565
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: is a huge play on the exact same day, same conditions.

1566
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: So we really need to do some consideration of multiple

1567
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 1: factors when we oft how we're gonna hunt, the techniques

1568
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna use that day. Yeah, yeah, so true. I

1569
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: want to ask you about something that once caused you

1570
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 1: to get hate mail from what I hear. Um. Let's

1571
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: say you're out, it's later in the year. Now it's

1572
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: gun season, which in Missouri, what that opens somewhere in

1573
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: mid mid November, right November to Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah, so

1574
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: it's guns season and you're hunting a spot. It's kind

1575
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: of you can see down to a brushy kind of opening,

1576
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: and your big shooter buck you've been after, steps out

1577
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: in that brush stuff and it's a mixture of grass

1578
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: and some you know, some woody, browsy kind of stuff.

1579
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,440
Speaker 1: That buck is within the shooting range. He stopped, he's broadside,

1580
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: but his vitals are covered with some of that grass

1581
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: and brush. You can see through it. You can even

1582
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: see his shoulder, but there is stuff in and around it.

1583
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: And you would have to punch through some of that grass,

1584
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: some of that rush with your fire room. Would you

1585
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: take that shot? And why or why not? Yeah? So

1586
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: I did have that ZAC scenario, as you know, and

1587
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: I did not, and man I got loaded up with

1588
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: hay mill hold. I didn't know. There is that many

1589
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: ways to call a biologist to it, but the TASTI um.

1590
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We used to teach some deer

1591
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,839
Speaker 1: hunting schools and we would take and this isn't exactly

1592
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: like grass, it's pretty dog on clothes. We would take

1593
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: eighth inch doll rods, so real flimsy doll rods, a

1594
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: little wooden rods, and drill holes in the tubah fours

1595
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: and just dack these little doll rods in there. So

1596
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: a thirty caliber bullet just couldn't get you. Either hit

1597
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: it in the middle because I'm not that great a shot,

1598
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: or hit it on the edge. You were not passing

1599
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: a bullet through two ft of these doll rods without

1600
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: hitting one. You may barely wing it, you may center

1601
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: punch it. And we put it out there to hundred yards,

1602
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: and then we put a you know, great big old

1603
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: targets paper moving paper actually at one meter and three

1604
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: meters or one yard and three yards behind it, and

1605
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: at one yard behind it. We used to hit the paper,

1606
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: but not where we're raiming. You hit the deer in

1607
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: the bud or the nose or something like that. Go

1608
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: above and boat blowing at three meters. We usually didn't

1609
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: cut paper. That bullet was turning sideways so fast wore

1610
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: three O thirty six. So a lot of that hate

1611
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: mail had to do with I was choosing the three

1612
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: O eight and I you know, a lot of words

1613
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: with a few uh agities. Not included was you're not

1614
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: shooting a bow, shoot through the grass. You're not shooting

1615
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: a bb guns shoot through the grass. You know, if

1616
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: you're if the three O eight won't do it, take

1617
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: you a three d wind mag And I will say,

1618
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: only way a hundred senty pounds. I'm not shooting a

1619
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: three hunder wind maag in a white tilt here um.

1620
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is bullets or you know, picking number.

1621
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: They're moving two or three thousand feet a second, depending

1622
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: on how you're loaded, what you're shooting, and you think

1623
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: about anything moving that fast. It doesn't have to hit

1624
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: hardly anything to change its course. And the bullet is

1625
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: a long cylindril shape. So if it just gets just

1626
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: ever so slightly out of straight straight towards the target,

1627
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's it's creating an eddy. It

1628
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: gets a lot of wind on one side, the direction

1629
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: is going, and it's creating an eddy on the off side.

1630
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: Like if you have a canoe, if you're fisherman or

1631
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: kayak or whatever, and you want to cross a pretty

1632
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: fast stream, just go straight across it. You put your

1633
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: canoe or kayaking there at forty five degrees. You don't

1634
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: have to paddle. It is just shoots you straight across

1635
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: because it's pushing on one side and making the eddy

1636
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: on the other, and it just takes you straight across. Well,

1637
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens with a bullet quickly, within inches.

1638
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: So I passed that deer. I ended up harvesting him

1639
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: last year years later with a bow, which was much

1640
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: more thrilling because he was so odious and a smaller rack.

1641
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: But gosh, I have chased that deer for many, many years,

1642
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: and for me and just the responsibility I personally accept

1643
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: as a hunter, I'm not gonna risk wounding the deer

1644
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: versus harvesting the deer. So I did give that deer pass,

1645
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: and I hope I would do the same thing again,

1646
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: um with no matter what caliber I'm shooting. And and

1647
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: I just realized through personal experience and through talking with

1648
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: the engineers at various AMMO plants, that bullets deflect easily.

1649
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: There's not really a brush gun. So I'm like, well,

1650
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: I got dad, he's oh forty five seventy here. I

1651
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 1: just shoot through whatever you know I shoot. I hear

1652
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: stort a time. I got this email a bunch. Well,

1653
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: I've shot through a bunch of three inch saplings and

1654
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: killed deer. Man, you can't keep from hitting a three

1655
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: inch sapling. You better go to rain some more. But anyway,

1656
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: for me, in my level of respect for the creators

1657
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: what I want to do in life, I'm not gonna

1658
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: take that shot. Yeah. I think very often the best

1659
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: shot taken is is none. And uh, respect to you

1660
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot for doing that. It's always one of those

1661
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: things that's easier said than done. And in that moment

1662
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: when something you want so badly is right there, it's

1663
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: it's really hard to have that self control. But but

1664
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 1: you're right, you can't you can't ever get a bullet

1665
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: back and you don't want to go south. So yeah,

1666
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: and when I was young, and I took some a

1667
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 1: few shots and didn't recover, dear, So I've learned that lesson.

1668
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not I am not perfect. And you know, when

1669
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: I was young, I was like every other hill Bill

1670
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: and yours arts. I had my lever action thirty thirty,

1671
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: thinking we were gonna do a man drive on National

1672
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: Force when there was no brakes, no openings, no nothing.

1673
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's just how we hunted it. So I've

1674
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: had the advantage to learn him some of those lessons

1675
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: through time and and and the victory the you know,

1676
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: the glory of the victory to me is not equal

1677
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: to the pain of defeat. So I just don't want

1678
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: to wound an animal if I can avoid it, if

1679
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: I can put the odds of my favor to avoid it. Yeah,

1680
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: so true, all right, Uh, this one's not really a

1681
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario. But I gotta ask you about it anyways,

1682
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: because it's so intriguing to me. Um, I've heard you

1683
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: talk about hunting like a bobcat. Could you could you

1684
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: explain to me what what you mean by that? What

1685
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: does it mean to hunt like a bobcat? How do

1686
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: you do that? And like what's the situation when you

1687
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: would actually take that approach? Love hunting like a bobcat.

1688
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: So bobcats, you know, they may have a DN. They

1689
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: don't go to same den every day, or usually don't.

1690
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: They got two or three places, been on wind direction

1691
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: or coyote scenario, whatever, but they you get them on

1692
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 1: your choking. If you're in bobcat country, you get pictures

1693
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: of bobcast just walking logging roads all time. They're just

1694
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: they're just moving down the road and never they get

1695
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: in their hunting areas. Not one area they bobcats. Based

1696
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: on GPS scholars, when I tend to hunt here today

1697
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: and there tomorrow during Mar's like, they know, while I've

1698
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: been through there, I I swooped the game. I need

1699
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: to hunt a different area next day. And I'm not

1700
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: saying that's what they do, but that's what the data

1701
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: seems to show. And so they're just cruising until they

1702
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: get to their hunting place and then when they're hunting

1703
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: up most hunters have seen this in a standard blind man.

1704
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: It's it's not take ten steps in the next and stop,

1705
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: it's step stop, step stop, set down, look, stop stop.

1706
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: They spend more time still than they do moving. So

1707
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: we call this and we call it spot and stock.

1708
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: But bobcat hunting is actually stalking trying to spot. We're

1709
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: stalking trying to spot, and with the boat, it's a

1710
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: real thrill when you get when you walk up within

1711
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: thirty yards of a bed of deer feeding deer. My goodness,

1712
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: you just had about a hundred fifty inches to that rat.

1713
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Because there's gonna be an awesome experience. I mean that

1714
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: that hundred inch deear it comes at two fifty every

1715
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: day of a month um and and I love doing

1716
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: this in habitat. That's quite enough to let you do it.

1717
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a bone dry day in October

1718
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: with six inches of oakley as you're not gonna do

1719
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: it very well with the boat, but get some moisture

1720
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: or down south, you know they thin about every fifth

1721
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: rold pines very commonly, and I love getting on the

1722
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: end of that pine stand where you know, where the

1723
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: winds in my face and just creeping up and barely

1724
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: peeking around the corner and you know, maybe see a

1725
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: deer too, fall are dear, you don't want to harvest,

1726
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: and you slide through there and go to the next

1727
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: row and you finally find a deer you want the harvest.

1728
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: Then you back up one row and you know, cut

1729
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: that distance and then just barely quietly stock within range.

1730
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: That's just a thrilling for me. Way to hunt, just thrilling.

1731
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: You're not sitting to you're not looking at your phone,

1732
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: you're kind of you know, your predator mode every second.

1733
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: And and years ago, many years ago, I was something

1734
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: with a buddy on public land and western Kansas, one

1735
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 1: of the first years they allowed non resident hunters a

1736
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: hunt out there. And we were just setting in a

1737
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: big old public area of native grass. It was too

1738
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: tall for me to see over it. Setting down. I

1739
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: remember sclearly, and I'm kind of a tall guy, and

1740
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: I stood out like a sore thumb if I stood up,

1741
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: So I was crouching all morning. It's very uncomfortable crouch

1742
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: and looking crouching looking and about nine thirty or so

1743
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: there was some bagg fields down the bottom and this

1744
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: public land on top. And we saw this to me

1745
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: really good leaving point bud just giant shoulders. End up

1746
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: playing about three hundre pounds come up in this c

1747
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: r P and um bed down and in CRP in

1748
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: one night there is a tree or a landmark. He

1749
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: just beds down about six dred yards away. We're looking

1750
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: across the valley we were hunting for this purpose, sitting

1751
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: on one side looking into the other side. They were like,

1752
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it really happened. And so we're all

1753
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: exided and and we can't go straight to him. So

1754
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: we drive around a section line, get the wind right,

1755
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: and you can't see anything, and the bedded buck and

1756
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, five ft tall Swiss grass, you can't see anythings.

1757
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: So we're crawling and peeking over and looking, and about

1758
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: eighty yards out my buddy sees something not moving and

1759
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: it ended up being a time to this buck, and

1760
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: we crawl on up there and we get up there.

1761
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: It's just such a cool hunt. Get about I don't know,

1762
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: fifty yards away. I happened to be hunting with a

1763
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: recurve at a time, and uh, spot a cock feasant

1764
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: between us and the buck. We're afraid to flush that peasants.

1765
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: We just lay there until he feeds on through. My

1766
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: buddy stays back and I'm you know, elbows and knees,

1767
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: barely pushing and pushing my bow in front of me.

1768
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: And he's laying and this is so typical for big bucks.

1769
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: Right below an old terrace, so she's to be nagg

1770
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Field years ago and highly erosion prone soils. There's a

1771
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: big terrace and he's laying night blow it and I

1772
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: get to the top side and this, this is a

1773
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: large deer, and I'm just like, for three minutes, I'm

1774
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: just an awe. I've never been that close to a wild,

1775
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: free ranging big buck. I'm just I'm sure my buddy's thinking,

1776
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: why is wrong the woods? Why is this shop? And

1777
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: and finally I realized I was under with a sixty

1778
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: inch black widow recurve. And when I'm laying on the ground,

1779
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I can't pull the thing back right. I mean, it's

1780
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: just too much grass and away and stuff. So he's awake.

1781
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: He's kind of like they do head up too, and

1782
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: this could and he's got this hell to his back

1783
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 1: and he's just moving his head about thirty degrees watching

1784
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: the front. And finally I just said, okay, when he

1785
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: gets to the farthest one side, start swinging back on

1786
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: my stand up and shooting one motion. Of course, with

1787
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: a recurve. I'm an instinctive shooter. He just pull it

1788
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: back and launch right. And so that's what I did,

1789
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and I pegged this big old buck and it was

1790
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: such a super high stimulation hunt that that's when I

1791
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: started trying to hunt like a Bobcap. And again, you know,

1792
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: if I don't think it's any deer in the area,

1793
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm getting to where some deer in the area, and

1794
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm slowing the way down, and I do more looking

1795
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: than I do walking, and not if the wind changes,

1796
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I changed my direction. I got my little puffer bottle

1797
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, going leaves whatever. I just keep the wind

1798
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: in my face and maybe a big acorn flat and

1799
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I think, well, I think deer passed through here about

1800
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: eight thirty nine and morning being acorns and I cam

1801
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: feder Roe Street or going through. I love hunting like

1802
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: a Bobcap. And even with the bow folks being shipped

1803
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: thirty yards and I would say the number one thing

1804
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: is wind direction. The number two things patients, all my

1805
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 1: buddies want to go too fast. Well, Grant, I don't

1806
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: see any deer and hunter yards ahead of us. Let's

1807
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: just walk the next on the yards. Are you making

1808
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: so much noise? I mean I'm going step of time

1809
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 1: and I actually see as many deer to my side

1810
01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: as I do in front of me. Or just come

1811
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: into yoursel. You just get a tree, betune you and

1812
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: then let them walk by. M Yeah, I can see

1813
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: the appeal. I've I've gotten more and more willing to

1814
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: try things on the ground like that, and it continues

1815
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: to prove to be a lot of fun and surprisingly effective.

1816
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: So I love it. You know, so few people hunt

1817
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 1: like that anymore. It's almost like their guard is down

1818
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: on that, right. I mean, yeah, I really enjoy it.

1819
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I highly recommend if you you know anyone, to at

1820
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: least give it a try, just once and see if

1821
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you don't really like it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Alright, Grant,

1822
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I got a final set of rapid fire questions, just

1823
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 1: looking for like a like a one word or couple

1824
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: word answer. We'll bounce through these really quick, and then

1825
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: you will have made it through with the gauntlet. Okay,

1826
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: so here's here's the final rundown. You're ready, Yes, sir, okay?

1827
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Does the moon matter to dear movement? Yes? Or no? No?

1828
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 1: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

1829
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: tail with your bow? No? If you could only have

1830
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: one of these tools for the rest of your hunts

1831
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, would you select Rattley,

1832
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: Antler's or grunt tube to expandable or fixed blade broadheads?

1833
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: I'll go through it. I currently use fixed blade. Yeah.

1834
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Should you stop a moving buck with some kind of

1835
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: sound before shooting with a bow? Yes? M Which state

1836
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: has better hunters? Missouri or Georgia? Oh lord, I'm gonna

1837
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: get individual. All right, here's the last thing. Let's imagine

1838
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 1: for a second that I have control of the world.

1839
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I rule the world, I have a magic on and

1840
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: I am going to revoke You're hunting privileges grant for

1841
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: the next twenty years unless you kill a mature buck

1842
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: in one single day this coming season. So you get

1843
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: one day. I need you to pick the date on

1844
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 1: the calendar. What day are you gonna pick for this hunt?

1845
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: And then please give me details of the one specific

1846
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: location that you're gonna pick for this very high stakes

1847
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: hunt November five, Western Kansas, where it's wide open and

1848
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: the travel corridors are probably obvious for Mars love it.

1849
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: I love it? What kind of what kind of like

1850
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: paint for me? Like the tree stand location more more detailed,

1851
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: might be a ground bind. There's not a lot of

1852
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: trees in western Kansas. Um And again, I'm gonna want

1853
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 1: three things. I'm gonna want a couple of trails merging

1854
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 1: into maybe a fence gap. And and typically my hunt's

1855
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: out there will have a CRP field that I think

1856
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: dear betting in and the bean ralph alpha field where

1857
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I think they're feeding. And I'm gonna be in between

1858
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: in the smallest gap I can find on the satellite image.

1859
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk. Typically this is a creek bottom.

1860
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk the whole thing. I'm gonna find

1861
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,799
Speaker 1: the narrowest gap so the buck is unlikely to pass

1862
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 1: out of range. That's also favorable for the wind. And

1863
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I love those Western creep bombs because they tend to

1864
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: not be straight but wind a lot, So somewhere in

1865
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: that bottom the wind is gonna be perfect for the

1866
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: wind that day Yeah, man, that sounds like a good spot.

1867
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I have confidence in your choice. I think you'll get

1868
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: it done. Grant, that is it. That is the the

1869
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: what would you do gauntlet? You you pass with flying colors.

1870
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Oh you're kind, You're kind. Thank you for being patient

1871
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 1: with my rambling. Oh no, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Uh

1872
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: for folks that want to follow along with with all

1873
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 1: the cool stuff you're doing, can you can you feel

1874
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: us in on anything new to look forward to this

1875
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: fall or where we should go to see all your

1876
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: great content? Mark? How about I share something to you

1877
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: I haven't shared with the rest of the public. So

1878
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: my life case now, I've been very blessed and through

1879
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: the years, not all at once, through twenty plus years,

1880
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: we have accumulated a pretty big piece of land here

1881
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: in the Ozark Mountains, all timbered roughs, deep, rocky. This

1882
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: is not you know, high dollar Iowa land. And we

1883
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: have sold the northern fift hundred acres to close here

1884
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: in about a couple of weeks, where I've spent the

1885
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: vast majority of twenty years working and are moving our office.

1886
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: You've been here, Mark, and our house, all our chill

1887
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 1: cameras are hunting equipment to the southern nine hundred acres

1888
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: where there's nothing, just a couple little food plots, not

1889
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 1: all the t s. I not all the burning because

1890
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: I love a new project. And you know I mentioned

1891
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 1: ROM sixty one. I gotta know a good project or

1892
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 1: two in me, I believe Lord Willing, and so I'm

1893
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: really excited about starting over and sharing the Because the

1894
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: techniques I used fifteen years ago I may not use anymore.

1895
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I've refined, or I've learned a quicker way or a

1896
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,560
Speaker 1: cheaper way or whatever. So I am so excited to

1897
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: start over. And I will tell you, and you get this,

1898
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: because you're a producer. You don't do something that significant

1899
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: just to get new content. You don't. This is my

1900
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,839
Speaker 1: true heart, to really refine. My northern property is not perfect,

1901
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 1: but you know we're we're in the ose Arts and

1902
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: we harvest dog on large bucks for the oz Arts,

1903
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: and we figured out how to hunt it and we

1904
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of not the situation. And I'm just looking forward

1905
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: to the new challenge and and starting over. You know,

1906
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: there's all kind of low grade hardwoods that need to

1907
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: be improved, and cedars to be cut, and more fire,

1908
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: more prescribed fire and I probably get done and trails

1909
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: to make and little higdeo food plots to make. So

1910
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm super excited about that. Man, I totally get. It's that,

1911
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: it's the puzzle, it's the mystery, is trying to figure

1912
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: it all out. That's that's what does it. It's it's

1913
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: the shot. The trigger pulls just a tiny, tiny little

1914
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: bit of it. And I'm excited for you. Yeah, and

1915
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still looking forward to it awesome. So I'm

1916
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: sure we'll be able to see all that I'm growing

1917
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: dear this coming fall and next year. You keep working

1918
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,560
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, you know, Mark as we uh you know,

1919
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: we make a new show every week and so we

1920
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 1: don't have a production calendar like a lot of people

1921
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: do that. That's great. I'm glad they do. We're just

1922
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: filming every week, so we're filming whatever we're doing. So, yeah,

1923
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: we I have ideas for about ten hideo food plots.

1924
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna restart them because we'll be planting about a

1925
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: month and that means we're you know, killing some saplings

1926
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: or having a little prescribed fires to make a seed bed.

1927
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: We're just just come along and see what we do.

1928
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like a heck of an interesting thing to

1929
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: fall along with. Well, Grant, thank you, thank you, thank you.

1930
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: I knew this is gonna be great. It proved to

1931
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: be so. And I really appreciate your sharing this with us. Mark.

1932
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate your friendship and I look forward to seeing

1933
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you again soon. Let's get together soon. It'd be great

1934
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: to catch up more in person. I love too, all right,

1935
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: and that is a app thank you for listening. That

1936
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: was good, wasn't it. That was fun? It's got me uh,

1937
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: got me ready? I mean, I am so ready. If

1938
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: any of you guys have listened this year on the podcast,

1939
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: you know that last season was a challenging one for me,

1940
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: kind of burn out by the end of the year.

1941
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,600
Speaker 1: Took a little bit of time away this winter, and

1942
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: I am fully recharged. I am fully jacked to get

1943
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: back after it and uh and this one really helped

1944
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: continue that momentum. So be sure to go following with

1945
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 1: Grant stuff. Like I mentioned already, Growing Dear is a

1946
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: terrific YouTube show. Everything he puts out is just top notch.

1947
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: There's lots and lots to learn from Graham, so be

1948
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: sure to subscribe follow along with his stories Until next

1949
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: time my friends, thank you and stay wired.